Sorry to hear that you've had such trouble. I worked for a small company and had RSI related problems for a while. Basically I just went to my primary care physician, paid the $10 copay, and was treated. Essentially, he gave me some advice to relieve it, and it worked. I didn't need to file a claim or anything, nor was I out more than the occasional $10 co-pay. Per chance, is this an option for you? Why can't ya just see your doc?
I'll share with you what he told me. Problem number was was that I was holding my elbos off the desk. My shoulders bore the brunt of the work there, and it was causing my neck some serious troubles. My hands also hurt, but I don't remember that we addressed that specifically. In the efforts to keep my muscles from having to hold my arms up, the hand discomfort went away as well.
Well poo I don't know that it's that useful to you. I think my problem has largely gone away, but who knows if it'll come back from the contsant click click of my mouse. I'm just hoping my suggestion to see your doc without making it a "my company hurt me!" claim is useful to you.
Heh. I actually debated with myself over whether or not 'world' would be more appropriate there. "Country" finally won because I thought it might appear rude to generalize outside of what I know.
"still true after all these years: unix is the system of the future; always has been , always will be untill geeks wake up and smell the coffee: stupid marketing drives sales, not tehcnical chops"
Flamebait? He's got a point. Technical superiority alone is not going to make Linux win. It's gotta appeal to people, and that's where marketing comes in.
I'd re-evaluate the modding of the previous post here. IBM's already started making Linux ads. Now if they'd just make them so ppl knew wtf they were talking about, you'd slowly start to see Linux becoming fashionable. Okay, previous post didn't say this, but he wasn't exactly bashing *nix either. In a perfect world, the technically superior solution would always win. But that never happens in real life. That's basically what he was saying.
A legitimate criticism of Linux is not a troll. When sound works great in Win95 but it's a pain in Linux, complaining about it isn't trolling. Frankly, I wish Linux users were more open to criticism. This attitude that Linux is fine the way it is really rubs me the wrong way, and it's what keeps me from adopting it. If the community is so hesitant to change, then why should I stay behind?
The SOLUTION is to make the design usable in the first place. This is often overlooked when people look at why Windows in the lead. The popular opinion is that Bill Gates put a gun to 80 million people's heads and told them to use Windows, they never stop and think that it's the "RTFM" attitude that's holding them back.
Man I've never seen so much resistance against making Linux more usable. It is not an unreasonable request, and doing so yields a much broader user base. Oh the horror of that.
"Just because you don't get it doesn't mean someone else won't. Especially when that someone else is a child."
Linux zealots really need to lose the "We're smarter than everybody else" attitude. Just because somebody doesn't want to go fucking around with.CONF files doesn't mean they're stupid, okay? Linux is not an IQ test.
"You gave no proof. You simply stated that somebody could mistakenly buy lindows when they meant to buy windows."
Yes. In other words, proof.
"1) A reasonable person would confuse lindows linux and microsoft windows operating systems. They might mistakenly buy one when they meant to buy the other."
Yep. And that's exactly what could happen.
"2) MS has the right to stop companies from naming their products with words that rhyme with windows or resemble windows or contain some of the letters W I N D O and S."
Didn't say that. You still don't understand what I was saying here even though I've nailed Lindows on it several times now.
Geez, and you tried to accuse me of not reading. Heh.
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"The us consumes more CO2 than it produces?? What do you do with it? Put it in your basement in little jars?"
By the millions of acres of trees we have, numbnuts.
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"So if we fill the Irish Sea with them, Manchester will finally have nice weather..."
Wouldn't it be easier to just kill the last male Bundy?
"Look man I already gave you an example where two companies that have same name and the same product clashed in court and the smaller company won. You seem to think that if the names rhyme then it violates trademark. This is simply not the case."
No, you TOLD me of a case, you haven't showed me anything. You wanna show me documentation of it? I'd love to read it. In the mean time, your little tale doesn't help a whole lot. For example, we don't know if that McDOnald's was already in place before McD's moved in. I do know that there isn't a chain of McDOnald's. I know that there isn't a chain of Booger Kings. This says to me that the conclusion you have reached from this in relation to the Lindows case is WRONG.
"It's usually best not to open your mouth when you are so ignorant. Here are a couple of links you should read before you go around saying such things in the future."
Funny, I've already read two out of three of those articles. Not a single one of those shows Microsoft's side of this story. EVERY court case looks like it has been clearly won before the other side steps up and speaks its mind.
"They will not risk it and if looks like they will (and it's looking like that) they will pay big bucks to get this case settled."
Probably.
"I don't think you know how to read."
Grow up. You're just mad that I pointed that out.
" It's not going to kill them, it not going to devestate them. They have changed the name of their product (temporaririly) but their corporate name is still lindows. That's because in the US they can still use lindows as a name. In europe they have (temporarily) lost the right to use lindows as a product name. The whole lawsuit is probably going to cost them less then a million dollars and the potential rewards are in the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars because MS would pay anything to hold on to that trademark."
Funny, they claim that Microsoft was putting them out of business overseas, hence the urgent name change. $120,000 a day is a lot.
I think you're right that MS would pay handsomely to settle if their trademark was overturned. I don't think the chances of that actually happening are very good.
"But this is getting us nowhere. You have this odd idea that companies own common words and all words that rhyme with them."
Nope. That's a twisting of what I said in a transparent attempt to discredit me. I'd go over this again but I have been sufficiently clear already.
" You haven't read up on the case..."
Wrong.
"You just keep repeating the same old mantra that an average person would would somehow be confused into buying a lindows PC thinking it's windows."
I also gave sufficient proof of a way that could happen. Imagine what I could do with that if I were a lawyer.
"That's just an idiotic statement to make and I guess there is no way to convince you otherwise."
Yeah yeah, I disagree with you and that makes me an idiot. I've heard that argument before. What's really happening is that you want Lindows to win so bad that you're throwing doubt at everything you can that you're ignoring what would really happen. You don't even see how stupid it was that Lindows picked this fight in the first place, instead you see some shiny armored hero riding on a white horse, come to slay the evil Microsoft dragon. It'd be neat to see Microsoft lose its trademark to Lindows. It'd make Slashdot's day, it'd make MY day. But it ain't going to happen. Won't happen. Never happen. Sorry. This isn't "I don't want it to happen!" speak, it's "I know their case is strong" speak.
Pity, though. What's going to happen is you're going to read this, and you'll be shaking your head the entire time. Trying to argue every little point I've made. Well, if that's what you do, don't expect a response from me. If you can't take a moment to tr
"Except for the fact that it's not called windows, walmart puts in a section different from PCs with windows and it won't run windows programs, there is no MS or windows logo anywhere."
Doesn't matter. It looks like Windows, it acts like Windows, but it isn't Windows. Far too easy for somebody to end up with that without realizing what they really got.
"First of all Lindows got a lot of great publicity."
Yep. You're right, they got publicity from it. They got the "Well even though what we're doing is clearly wrong, everybody hates MS so we shoould be good!" publicity going. Honorable.
"Secondly MS will not risk losing their trademark and offer them a bunch of money to settle. All they have to do is hang on for a little while longer."
They're not going to win. They don't have a strong case. Waiting this out would be retarded.
"The US court case is still in progress and as I said before the judge is already leaning towards throwing the trademark out."
He can't throw the trademark out. What he can do is say "Let's let a jury decide." Frankly, I doubt it'd go even that far. Microsoft's position with their trademark is considerably stronger than it has been made out to believe on Slashdot. Putting it to a jury makes it even easier for them to sell. It's not going anywhere, sorry.
"All the risk is on MS."
Not really, no. Lindows risks going out of business for having to pay for the consequences of their actions. (Or Microsoft's overbearing legal beating...) Microsoft risks very little other than money and a slim chance that they lose the (R) next to their name. Thing is, they still own that mark even if the judge throws it out. Nobody's going to forget what Windows is. Frankly, it wouldn't be hard for Microsoft to cook up a new trademark to stand behind.
"BTW the judge is also pissed off about MS suing in europe before this one is settled so I imagine he is not thinking highly of MS right about now."
Yeah maybe. What MS is doing to them is excessive. Then again, they opened themselves wide open to it. Are you really sure this was a brilliant move by Lindows? Sounds like you're telling me that MS's wrath is killing them. At least that's what I read in the various articles on this topic.
"If I'm feeling long winded I sometimes go into a diatribe about the Evil Empire. Today I started thinking that maybe there's an opportunity for some grassroots organization here. Maybe a concise well-written boilerplate paragraph for just this situation?"
If I got an email telling me how using a.DOC file to transmit data was being used to promote a monopoly by an 'evil empire', I'd tell you to take it and stick it up your butt. Sorry to be blunt, but you're going to get a lot of other responses like that. Don't make global issues out of the private use a file format. Microsoft has a.DOC monopoly whether you or anybody else you know uses that file or not. That's how everybody's going to see it. So why make them sound like the bad guy?
Instead, appeal to a more urgent need. "Doh, I can't read this.DOC file. Can you resend it as.RTF?" Easy. Believable. And it won't make you look like you're making a mountain of a mole-hill.
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Sorry to hear that you've had such trouble. I worked for a small company and had RSI related problems for a while. Basically I just went to my primary care physician, paid the $10 copay, and was treated. Essentially, he gave me some advice to relieve it, and it worked. I didn't need to file a claim or anything, nor was I out more than the occasional $10 co-pay. Per chance, is this an option for you? Why can't ya just see your doc?
I'll share with you what he told me. Problem number was was that I was holding my elbos off the desk. My shoulders bore the brunt of the work there, and it was causing my neck some serious troubles. My hands also hurt, but I don't remember that we addressed that specifically. In the efforts to keep my muscles from having to hold my arms up, the hand discomfort went away as well.
Well poo I don't know that it's that useful to you. I think my problem has largely gone away, but who knows if it'll come back from the contsant click click of my mouse. I'm just hoping my suggestion to see your doc without making it a "my company hurt me!" claim is useful to you.
"I demand tribute for my greatness."
If you have to demand recognition for being great, you're not.
"...all over the world" would be correct."
Heh. I actually debated with myself over whether or not 'world' would be more appropriate there. "Country" finally won because I thought it might appear rude to generalize outside of what I know.
Oh well. Bad decision on my part, sorry.
"still true after all these years: unix is the system of the future; always has been , always will be untill geeks wake up and smell the coffee: stupid marketing drives sales, not tehcnical chops"
Flamebait? He's got a point. Technical superiority alone is not going to make Linux win. It's gotta appeal to people, and that's where marketing comes in.
I'd re-evaluate the modding of the previous post here. IBM's already started making Linux ads. Now if they'd just make them so ppl knew wtf they were talking about, you'd slowly start to see Linux becoming fashionable. Okay, previous post didn't say this, but he wasn't exactly bashing *nix either. In a perfect world, the technically superior solution would always win. But that never happens in real life. That's basically what he was saying.
"What's with all the Troll articles lately?"
A legitimate criticism of Linux is not a troll. When sound works great in Win95 but it's a pain in Linux, complaining about it isn't trolling. Frankly, I wish Linux users were more open to criticism. This attitude that Linux is fine the way it is really rubs me the wrong way, and it's what keeps me from adopting it. If the community is so hesitant to change, then why should I stay behind?
"I agree. Even Windows 2000 and XP fuck up when you try to play sound in different programs."
Speaking as somebody who uses both XP and 2000 daily, no, you are full of shit. How do you think millions of us Windows users listen to MP3s all day?
"No, computing shouldn't be for everyone, just like physics isn't for everyone. Consumers should have consumer products, not computers."
There was a similar attitude towards literacy a few hundred years ago.
" Sun's upcoming parallel server processor with 8 cores and 4 threads each."
Without warning, underwear tents pop up all over the country.
Imagine Slashdot posting a story about journalism ethics. After all these times I've seen "RTFA" because the synopsis was wrong.
"He just got Farscape confused with Red Dwarf. Kryton is the servant droid that lives aboard the Red Dwarf with Lister, Rimmer and Cat."
No, that was Kryten. Kryton was what Superman was highly allergic to.
"the solution? RTFM!"
The SOLUTION is to make the design usable in the first place. This is often overlooked when people look at why Windows in the lead. The popular opinion is that Bill Gates put a gun to 80 million people's heads and told them to use Windows, they never stop and think that it's the "RTFM" attitude that's holding them back.
Man I've never seen so much resistance against making Linux more usable. It is not an unreasonable request, and doing so yields a much broader user base. Oh the horror of that.
"Just because you don't get it doesn't mean someone else won't. Especially when that someone else is a child."
.CONF files doesn't mean they're stupid, okay? Linux is not an IQ test.
Linux zealots really need to lose the "We're smarter than everybody else" attitude. Just because somebody doesn't want to go fucking around with
Madonna's 'Erotic' came up on my playlist when the page opened.
That's what I thought. :P
"Any chance we can add a warning to the story, something along the lines of "Images of Overweight Man in Skintight Bodysuit Enclosed" or such?"
Why? We all look like him.
"You gave no proof. You simply stated that somebody could mistakenly buy lindows when they meant to buy windows."
Yes. In other words, proof.
"1) A reasonable person would confuse lindows linux and microsoft windows operating systems. They might mistakenly buy one when they meant to buy the other."
Yep. And that's exactly what could happen.
"2) MS has the right to stop companies from naming their products with words that rhyme with windows or resemble windows or contain some of the letters W I N D O and S."
Didn't say that. You still don't understand what I was saying here even though I've nailed Lindows on it several times now.
Geez, and you tried to accuse me of not reading. Heh.
"The us consumes more CO2 than it produces?? What do you do with it? Put it in your basement in little jars?"
By the millions of acres of trees we have, numbnuts.
"So if we fill the Irish Sea with them, Manchester will finally have nice weather..."
Wouldn't it be easier to just kill the last male Bundy?
"Look man I already gave you an example where two companies that have same name and the same product clashed in court and the smaller company won. You seem to think that if the names rhyme then it violates trademark. This is simply not the case."
No, you TOLD me of a case, you haven't showed me anything. You wanna show me documentation of it? I'd love to read it. In the mean time, your little tale doesn't help a whole lot. For example, we don't know if that McDOnald's was already in place before McD's moved in. I do know that there isn't a chain of McDOnald's. I know that there isn't a chain of Booger Kings. This says to me that the conclusion you have reached from this in relation to the Lindows case is WRONG.
"It's usually best not to open your mouth when you are so ignorant. Here are a couple of links you should read before you go around saying such things in the future."
Funny, I've already read two out of three of those articles. Not a single one of those shows Microsoft's side of this story. EVERY court case looks like it has been clearly won before the other side steps up and speaks its mind.
"They will not risk it and if looks like they will (and it's looking like that) they will pay big bucks to get this case settled."
Probably.
"I don't think you know how to read."
Grow up. You're just mad that I pointed that out.
" It's not going to kill them, it not going to devestate them. They have changed the name of their product (temporaririly) but their corporate name is still lindows. That's because in the US they can still use lindows as a name. In europe they have (temporarily) lost the right to use lindows as a product name. The whole lawsuit is probably going to cost them less then a million dollars and the potential rewards are in the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars because MS would pay anything to hold on to that trademark."
Funny, they claim that Microsoft was putting them out of business overseas, hence the urgent name change. $120,000 a day is a lot.
I think you're right that MS would pay handsomely to settle if their trademark was overturned. I don't think the chances of that actually happening are very good.
"But this is getting us nowhere. You have this odd idea that companies own common words and all words that rhyme with them."
Nope. That's a twisting of what I said in a transparent attempt to discredit me. I'd go over this again but I have been sufficiently clear already.
" You haven't read up on the case..."
Wrong.
"You just keep repeating the same old mantra that an average person would would somehow be confused into buying a lindows PC thinking it's windows."
I also gave sufficient proof of a way that could happen. Imagine what I could do with that if I were a lawyer.
"That's just an idiotic statement to make and I guess there is no way to convince you otherwise."
Yeah yeah, I disagree with you and that makes me an idiot. I've heard that argument before. What's really happening is that you want Lindows to win so bad that you're throwing doubt at everything you can that you're ignoring what would really happen. You don't even see how stupid it was that Lindows picked this fight in the first place, instead you see some shiny armored hero riding on a white horse, come to slay the evil Microsoft dragon. It'd be neat to see Microsoft lose its trademark to Lindows. It'd make Slashdot's day, it'd make MY day. But it ain't going to happen. Won't happen. Never happen. Sorry. This isn't "I don't want it to happen!" speak, it's "I know their case is strong" speak.
Pity, though. What's going to happen is you're going to read this, and you'll be shaking your head the entire time. Trying to argue every little point I've made. Well, if that's what you do, don't expect a response from me. If you can't take a moment to tr
"Thank god the law is not as simple minded."
Thank god it is or you'd be living in scam land.
"Except for the fact that it's not called windows, walmart puts in a section different from PCs with windows and it won't run windows programs, there is no MS or windows logo anywhere."
Doesn't matter. It looks like Windows, it acts like Windows, but it isn't Windows. Far too easy for somebody to end up with that without realizing what they really got.
"First of all Lindows got a lot of great publicity."
Yep. You're right, they got publicity from it. They got the "Well even though what we're doing is clearly wrong, everybody hates MS so we shoould be good!" publicity going. Honorable.
"Secondly MS will not risk losing their trademark and offer them a bunch of money to settle. All they have to do is hang on for a little while longer."
They're not going to win. They don't have a strong case. Waiting this out would be retarded.
"The US court case is still in progress and as I said before the judge is already leaning towards throwing the trademark out."
He can't throw the trademark out. What he can do is say "Let's let a jury decide." Frankly, I doubt it'd go even that far. Microsoft's position with their trademark is considerably stronger than it has been made out to believe on Slashdot. Putting it to a jury makes it even easier for them to sell. It's not going anywhere, sorry.
"All the risk is on MS."
Not really, no. Lindows risks going out of business for having to pay for the consequences of their actions. (Or Microsoft's overbearing legal beating...) Microsoft risks very little other than money and a slim chance that they lose the (R) next to their name. Thing is, they still own that mark even if the judge throws it out. Nobody's going to forget what Windows is. Frankly, it wouldn't be hard for Microsoft to cook up a new trademark to stand behind.
"BTW the judge is also pissed off about MS suing in europe before this one is settled so I imagine he is not thinking highly of MS right about now."
Yeah maybe. What MS is doing to them is excessive. Then again, they opened themselves wide open to it. Are you really sure this was a brilliant move by Lindows? Sounds like you're telling me that MS's wrath is killing them. At least that's what I read in the various articles on this topic.
"I bet you don't vote. I bet you don't see the analogy either."
I get the analogy, and it's a thoughtless one.
"Didn't we have a similar article about 3D searching a week ago?"
I drew "/. x II" and got lotsa hits!
"If I'm feeling long winded I sometimes go into a diatribe about the Evil Empire. Today I started thinking that maybe there's an opportunity for some grassroots organization here. Maybe a concise well-written boilerplate paragraph for just this situation?"
.DOC file to transmit data was being used to promote a monopoly by an 'evil empire', I'd tell you to take it and stick it up your butt. Sorry to be blunt, but you're going to get a lot of other responses like that. Don't make global issues out of the private use a file format. Microsoft has a .DOC monopoly whether you or anybody else you know uses that file or not. That's how everybody's going to see it. So why make them sound like the bad guy?
.DOC file. Can you resend it as .RTF?" Easy. Believable. And it won't make you look like you're making a mountain of a mole-hill.
If I got an email telling me how using a
Instead, appeal to a more urgent need. "Doh, I can't read this
I'm curious if you can run two simultaneous copies of Photoshop. For some reaason, Adobe only allows one instance at a time...
"Do we want every post to have a advertisement in the .sig? I personally think that moderators should mod down any post with SPAM at the end."
Pardon me for sharing something with Slashdot I thought they'd enjoy.