It was just a joke, dudes. Star Trek writers are capable of explaining anything, even if it means inventing words. It's meant to irritate all the Star Trek fans out there who nitpick the shit out of the show.
I think it's their way of saying "Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just replax."
The only way he can prevent the DVD from being pirated to death is if it includes tons and tons and tons of stuff on it. There's still value in buying the disc if it has extras that people don't pirate. (Take notes, MPAA)
I think he wants to be able to provide all that with Eps 4-6. It'd take time, and he's focused (well in a PHB sorta way) on Eps 1-3.
Ah damn. I vaguely remember that, but no I don't have the link. Heh. This is a new one where I mentioned people capturing shows and putting them on P2P (as opposed to boycotting the TV Industry over 'popup commercials'), and some git thought I was talking about capturing all cable channels 24 hours a day and then editing out the commercials. Heh. He actually said I was being moronic.
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Well, I can give you two reasons why I chose Quicktime over the otehr codecs mentioned once:
Let me explain, I made a 3D Animation that used a lot of soft colors and details that I wanted to show people on a forum I frequent. I ended up using Quicktime with Sorenson 3.
It had two distinct advantages over the other codecs (DivX, Real, WMP, and so on)...
1.) The image quality was pretty damn good. The artifacts didn't destroy what I was trying to show like they did with the other codecs.
2.) You can seek through it VERY fast. As I said, I wanted to show this on an art forum. The was the final result of talk I was giving on aspects of animation to think about. So I wanted somebody to be able to seek through it and look at a particular frame. In my experiments, QT was the best for that for what I had at the time.
Now, let me be clear about something: I'm not saying QT's better than anything else. I'm not saying everybody should use it. All I'm saying is that for what I had, it was the best choice for me. If you like MPEG, hey go have fun with it. It's just not my first choice. Me personally, I like DivX 5.
Yeah looks like I'm wrong about MPEG. It kinda bugs me because I read matter of factly "MPEG1 has a resolution limit...". What I was reading was about the codec, not about VideoCD's. So it looks like that wherever I read they, they got their details messed up. Here's an example of a site that has lead me down that read:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/mpeg2.htm#MPEG1
*ShruG* Not something I'm going to go down in a bloody death defending.;)
Yeah, that's definitely one of the best ways to approach it. I'm not sure why somebody wouldn't do that to be honest. (Unless they feel they NEEED to stream...) Fortunately some of the big sites are okay about that.
I think this thread mutated from it's original point. I didn't mean to start an 'I Hate MPEG' thread. Heh. I was just saying that each codec has it's ups and downs. DivX, for the moment, gives you the most pixels per bit. But most people don't have it installed and the perception is that they're too lazy/stupid/unwilling to. So sometimes it's not the most useful choice. That make sense?
No, DivX has it's problems too. I like DivX, but there are reasons an author making stuff for the web may not use it. One example would be this: "I chose Windows Media over DivX because many people have it installed already." If you're launching something for mass market audiences "Who don't want to install stuff", then DivX isn't going to get much consideration.
I'm not anti-DivX or anything, that's just one of the limitations that makes people search for other codecs. One day it could hit that magic mark, but it'll be a while. It does seem more than capable of pulling it off tho.
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Imagine creating a service people were willing to pay for, and then charging a reasonable price that is profitable!
Too bad nobody ever said this in 1998...
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Um no, let's clear a few things up:
MPEG (1 I assume?) is capped at 352 by 240something. Plus its' compression isn't as good as modern codecs.
Quicktime is not proprietary crap, it's actually very good for things such as movie trailers. Plus, it's both PC and Mac. Some of us artist types think that's important.
Real's viewer stinks, which is a bummer since it has cool development tools, good bit per quality ratio and great a great servers olution.
MS has a better viewer than Real, and is about the same on the other points I brought up.
DivX is pretty cool but for mass market there aren't enough people with it installed.
Bink is like MPEG2, and it's slow as heck to compress. But the quality is good, it can play back on slower computers, and it has some kick ass options for viewing like making it executable. (Which also makes people paranoid about viruses. Heh.)
So no, MPEG1 does not 'make everybody happy'. Why you got a +1 for that I'll never know. Trust me, if it were that simple, they'd all be using it. However, every codec and viewer has their advantages.
This is the sorta thing you become knowledgable about when you actually make videos.
Heh yah, I'd hate Quicktime too if I wasn't maxed out on karma.
A pet peeve of most animators is when somebody is unwilling or unable (bandwidth, etc) to install a codec or player. It sucks because we spend so much time picking the right one for the project. Until a single codec comes along and wipes the others out in every single category, you're just going to have to deal with having a bunch of different players despite the slimey tactics some of them use.
...I say we draw up plans for what I call the "F.U. Class Slashdot Cannon" and prepare to aim it at the first IP that tries it. For testing purposes, I say we wipe out Planethollywood.com. It'll be just like Star Wars!
Well, you know, it's funny. People have a way of bringing up one example of where an argument may not work, so they flush the whole thing.
Like the 'wind up charger' for the phone yesterday: Some git went on to say "it'd take hours to wind it up to full charge!"
Heh. People are funny, but they can be frustrating too. Personally, I think they bring that stuff up hoping to come off as being intelligent. "Well I immedieatly see a problem that nobody else has mentioned, that must mean my brain operates at a higher level." heh. Know what I mean?
Ah it's fun to get the gripes out! I can go back to being nice now.
That's true, but sometimes opportunities grow that way.
There once was a very popular site for creating 3D Art called 'scifi-art.com'. It was hobbyist, not a professional deal. It had some 3000 members at it's peak. (Possibly more, this is all from memory here.) One day, though, the owner of the site realized that he was unable to maintain his hobby anymore, and he took the site down.
It was a sad day for a lot of us because we lost a great place to proudly display our work. However, within a couple of weeks a new site was formed. You see, the owner of SFA struck a deal with the owner of another site and migrated the forums and users databases over. Result? Scifi-meshes.com emerged. All the threads were back and all the users were migrated over. SFA was gone, but SFM picked up where they left off!
The owner of SFM has a renwed energy that the previous didn't, and now he's turned it into a place where people can not only learn how to improve their skills, but compete with other people as well. He's running contests now and giving prizes away.
I'm seriously impressed with how this came out! I don't think it would have happened if SFA hadn't gone down. So who knows? LWN may be down for now, but perhaps somebody will be able to pick up the database and move on?
Agreed. I also fail to see why this would 'eat away at our freedoms'. You're not free on the road to begin with. You're not free to speed. You're not free to drink and drive. You're not free to crash. At best, this thing could be used to settle disputes about who did what. Who knows, maybe it could turn into an 'enforcement' device.
Let's play with your little theory here: Let's suppose that the gov't mandates these devices hooked up to cars with data sent to Insurance Agencies. At best, it could be used to determine fault in an accident. Oh gee, that'd suck! Teens would better drivers. Oh the horror! And your insurance rates would go down plus your safety would go up.
I wouldn't compare this to wiretapping. You can't directly kill somebody with a phone call. You can directly kill somebody with a car. The government would not be out of line by mandating steps to make sure cars are safer. Stoplights and speed limits are not a suggestion. Nobody's saying "the government is out of line by establishing speed limits!"
Freedom is not worthwhile if you're afraid of living. Those of us that travel on congested highways for an hour a day to get to work and back would agree. We'd all like to see drivers not pull stupid stunts to get to their destination 30 seconds sooner.
My sig was inspired by a 'shithead' (he knows who he is.)
Somebody suggested boycotting the TV industry over 'pop-up commercials'. I said that boycotting was worthless and that people were better off capturing shows and sharing them on P2P commercial free. (Not verbatim, but that sentence is very close to what I said.)
He thought I meant that tons of people capture every single channel they can record from 24 hours a day, followed by editing the commercials. *eyeroll* I think most of the Slashdot population would assume I didn't mean that. I did leave some room for interpretation on what I said, but what he was suggesting I meant was silly. He went on to tell me there are problems with bandwidth etc.
Basically, his interpretation of my post was extreme enough to earn a nomination for 'shithead'. A realistic extreme would have been if he said "People like lots of shows. They're not going to sift through 4 hours a day worth of TV shows in order to edit out commercials. Serving them would provide trouble too.". That would have been an understandable objection.
The sig was meant basically for him, but it's old and I should take it down. Hopefully I helped you understand what I mean by 'unrealistic extreme':)
Thanks for asking, most people who reply to my sig usually try to twist it as an insult towards me.
pbptbp. That's a bummer. Hmm... wait, does the DMCA apply to the guy who installs it, the guy who pays to have it installed, or the company that makes the chip?
I think you're on the right track. I think Sony busted him on sale of pirated games and then twisted the details a bit (over-emphasizing mod chips) to make it sound like what the guy did was illegal. It's possible that the combination of selling pirated games and installing chips so they could be played is illegal, but I'm reasonbly certain that installing the mod chips by themselves is fine. (If Im wrong, please let me know. All I ask is that you be polite.)
To put it in simpler terms: Sony's manipulating the statement to make it look like a case that defines PS2 modding as illegal and enforcable. The reality is that what got the guy busted was selling copied games.
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It was just a joke, dudes. Star Trek writers are capable of explaining anything, even if it means inventing words. It's meant to irritate all the Star Trek fans out there who nitpick the shit out of the show.
I think it's their way of saying "Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, you should really just replax."
"It's really damn cool, but it doesn't work with my 8-bit Adlib Soundcard."
Ah but it did use extended memory. That was great when you had 2 megs of memory on a 286...
Im sorry, when did I say 2.5 minutes? That over-simplification was so extreme that I'd normally believe you're a woman.
The only way he can prevent the DVD from being pirated to death is if it includes tons and tons and tons of stuff on it. There's still value in buying the disc if it has extras that people don't pirate. (Take notes, MPAA)
I think he wants to be able to provide all that with Eps 4-6. It'd take time, and he's focused (well in a PHB sorta way) on Eps 1-3.
I don't want more footage, I want LESS! That movie was like 2 and a half hours long.
Like I really care what an AC has to say. Grow a pair of balls man.
Ah damn. I vaguely remember that, but no I don't have the link. Heh. This is a new one where I mentioned people capturing shows and putting them on P2P (as opposed to boycotting the TV Industry over 'popup commercials'), and some git thought I was talking about capturing all cable channels 24 hours a day and then editing out the commercials. Heh. He actually said I was being moronic.
Well, I can give you two reasons why I chose Quicktime over the otehr codecs mentioned once:
;)
Let me explain, I made a 3D Animation that used a lot of soft colors and details that I wanted to show people on a forum I frequent. I ended up using Quicktime with Sorenson 3.
It had two distinct advantages over the other codecs (DivX, Real, WMP, and so on)...
1.) The image quality was pretty damn good. The artifacts didn't destroy what I was trying to show like they did with the other codecs.
2.) You can seek through it VERY fast. As I said, I wanted to show this on an art forum. The was the final result of talk I was giving on aspects of animation to think about. So I wanted somebody to be able to seek through it and look at a particular frame. In my experiments, QT was the best for that for what I had at the time.
Now, let me be clear about something: I'm not saying QT's better than anything else. I'm not saying everybody should use it. All I'm saying is that for what I had, it was the best choice for me. If you like MPEG, hey go have fun with it. It's just not my first choice. Me personally, I like DivX 5.
Yeah looks like I'm wrong about MPEG. It kinda bugs me because I read matter of factly "MPEG1 has a resolution limit...". What I was reading was about the codec, not about VideoCD's. So it looks like that wherever I read they, they got their details messed up. Here's an example of a site that has lead me down that read:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/mpeg2.htm#MPEG1
*ShruG* Not something I'm going to go down in a bloody death defending.
Yeah, that's definitely one of the best ways to approach it. I'm not sure why somebody wouldn't do that to be honest. (Unless they feel they NEEED to stream...) Fortunately some of the big sites are okay about that.
I think this thread mutated from it's original point. I didn't mean to start an 'I Hate MPEG' thread. Heh. I was just saying that each codec has it's ups and downs. DivX, for the moment, gives you the most pixels per bit. But most people don't have it installed and the perception is that they're too lazy/stupid/unwilling to. So sometimes it's not the most useful choice. That make sense?
Hmmm what? A little more detail please?
(Im up way past my bed time, my memory's in standby-mode.)
No, DivX has it's problems too. I like DivX, but there are reasons an author making stuff for the web may not use it. One example would be this: "I chose Windows Media over DivX because many people have it installed already." If you're launching something for mass market audiences "Who don't want to install stuff", then DivX isn't going to get much consideration.
I'm not anti-DivX or anything, that's just one of the limitations that makes people search for other codecs. One day it could hit that magic mark, but it'll be a while. It does seem more than capable of pulling it off tho.
Whatever.
Btw, I've never made a Star Trek mesh. Heh.
"can we get some people above the age of five around here?"
That's the problem with the internet. Pedofiles can be choosy.
Imagine creating a service people were willing to pay for, and then charging a reasonable price that is profitable!
Too bad nobody ever said this in 1998...
Um no, let's clear a few things up:
MPEG (1 I assume?) is capped at 352 by 240something. Plus its' compression isn't as good as modern codecs.
Quicktime is not proprietary crap, it's actually very good for things such as movie trailers. Plus, it's both PC and Mac. Some of us artist types think that's important.
Real's viewer stinks, which is a bummer since it has cool development tools, good bit per quality ratio and great a great servers olution.
MS has a better viewer than Real, and is about the same on the other points I brought up.
DivX is pretty cool but for mass market there aren't enough people with it installed.
Bink is like MPEG2, and it's slow as heck to compress. But the quality is good, it can play back on slower computers, and it has some kick ass options for viewing like making it executable. (Which also makes people paranoid about viruses. Heh.)
So no, MPEG1 does not 'make everybody happy'. Why you got a +1 for that I'll never know. Trust me, if it were that simple, they'd all be using it. However, every codec and viewer has their advantages.
This is the sorta thing you become knowledgable about when you actually make videos.
Heh yah, I'd hate Quicktime too if I wasn't maxed out on karma.
A pet peeve of most animators is when somebody is unwilling or unable (bandwidth, etc) to install a codec or player. It sucks because we spend so much time picking the right one for the project. Until a single codec comes along and wipes the others out in every single category, you're just going to have to deal with having a bunch of different players despite the slimey tactics some of them use.
...I say we draw up plans for what I call the "F.U. Class Slashdot Cannon" and prepare to aim it at the first IP that tries it. For testing purposes, I say we wipe out Planethollywood.com. It'll be just like Star Wars!
Well, you know, it's funny. People have a way of bringing up one example of where an argument may not work, so they flush the whole thing.
Like the 'wind up charger' for the phone yesterday: Some git went on to say "it'd take hours to wind it up to full charge!"
Heh. People are funny, but they can be frustrating too. Personally, I think they bring that stuff up hoping to come off as being intelligent. "Well I immedieatly see a problem that nobody else has mentioned, that must mean my brain operates at a higher level." heh. Know what I mean?
Ah it's fun to get the gripes out! I can go back to being nice now.
That's true, but sometimes opportunities grow that way.
There once was a very popular site for creating 3D Art called 'scifi-art.com'. It was hobbyist, not a professional deal. It had some 3000 members at it's peak. (Possibly more, this is all from memory here.) One day, though, the owner of the site realized that he was unable to maintain his hobby anymore, and he took the site down.
It was a sad day for a lot of us because we lost a great place to proudly display our work. However, within a couple of weeks a new site was formed. You see, the owner of SFA struck a deal with the owner of another site and migrated the forums and users databases over. Result? Scifi-meshes.com emerged. All the threads were back and all the users were migrated over. SFA was gone, but SFM picked up where they left off!
The owner of SFM has a renwed energy that the previous didn't, and now he's turned it into a place where people can not only learn how to improve their skills, but compete with other people as well. He's running contests now and giving prizes away.
I'm seriously impressed with how this came out! I don't think it would have happened if SFA hadn't gone down. So who knows? LWN may be down for now, but perhaps somebody will be able to pick up the database and move on?
Agreed. I also fail to see why this would 'eat away at our freedoms'. You're not free on the road to begin with. You're not free to speed. You're not free to drink and drive. You're not free to crash. At best, this thing could be used to settle disputes about who did what. Who knows, maybe it could turn into an 'enforcement' device.
Let's play with your little theory here: Let's suppose that the gov't mandates these devices hooked up to cars with data sent to Insurance Agencies. At best, it could be used to determine fault in an accident. Oh gee, that'd suck! Teens would better drivers. Oh the horror! And your insurance rates would go down plus your safety would go up.
I wouldn't compare this to wiretapping. You can't directly kill somebody with a phone call. You can directly kill somebody with a car. The government would not be out of line by mandating steps to make sure cars are safer. Stoplights and speed limits are not a suggestion. Nobody's saying "the government is out of line by establishing speed limits!"
Freedom is not worthwhile if you're afraid of living. Those of us that travel on congested highways for an hour a day to get to work and back would agree. We'd all like to see drivers not pull stupid stunts to get to their destination 30 seconds sooner.
My sig was inspired by a 'shithead' (he knows who he is.)
:)
Somebody suggested boycotting the TV industry over 'pop-up commercials'. I said that boycotting was worthless and that people were better off capturing shows and sharing them on P2P commercial free. (Not verbatim, but that sentence is very close to what I said.)
He thought I meant that tons of people capture every single channel they can record from 24 hours a day, followed by editing the commercials. *eyeroll* I think most of the Slashdot population would assume I didn't mean that. I did leave some room for interpretation on what I said, but what he was suggesting I meant was silly. He went on to tell me there are problems with bandwidth etc.
Basically, his interpretation of my post was extreme enough to earn a nomination for 'shithead'. A realistic extreme would have been if he said "People like lots of shows. They're not going to sift through 4 hours a day worth of TV shows in order to edit out commercials. Serving them would provide trouble too.". That would have been an understandable objection.
The sig was meant basically for him, but it's old and I should take it down. Hopefully I helped you understand what I mean by 'unrealistic extreme'
Thanks for asking, most people who reply to my sig usually try to twist it as an insult towards me.
pbptbp. That's a bummer. Hmm... wait, does the DMCA apply to the guy who installs it, the guy who pays to have it installed, or the company that makes the chip?
Mixture of all 3?
When you need to make a phone call, but it's dead. Just remove quarter.
You forgot a step...
4. Bum another quarter off somebody because phone calls cost $.50
I think you're on the right track. I think Sony busted him on sale of pirated games and then twisted the details a bit (over-emphasizing mod chips) to make it sound like what the guy did was illegal. It's possible that the combination of selling pirated games and installing chips so they could be played is illegal, but I'm reasonbly certain that installing the mod chips by themselves is fine. (If Im wrong, please let me know. All I ask is that you be polite.)
To put it in simpler terms: Sony's manipulating the statement to make it look like a case that defines PS2 modding as illegal and enforcable. The reality is that what got the guy busted was selling copied games.