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Ricardo Montalban Recalls Khan
phyy-nx writes "Scifi.com, in referring to the directors cut of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn (coming out on DVD Aug 6), has quoted clips from an interview with Ricardo Montalban. Montalban portrayed the vengeful Kahn in one of the best perfomances in one of the best of the (almost ten) Star Trek films. He mentions how difficult it was to portray Khan after six years of Mr. Roarke of Fantasy Island and how he overcame that mold to masterfully portray his new character's controlled insanity." Or, as Kirk would say: Khaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
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No, Star Trek V was the WORST Trek movie of all time. Remember, even numbered trek films ROCK. :-)
Really!
actually, Star Trek V, the one that Shatner wrote and directed, is by far the worst. It was so bad that some guys did a homebrew version of MST3k on it...Here's a link.
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How wrong you are... This is by far the best star trek movie.
No way, those Khanites had great clothes and hair. Don't remember much about the rest of the movie though.
No little sidekick to holler out "Da Kirk, Bahss, da Kirk!"
I hope the Wrath of Khan DVD includes the original episode of Star Trek that it was the sequel to. That would make a great set, and the movie isn't nearly as interesting if you don't have that TV episode in memory.
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Slashdot must have quite a backlog of article submissions.
I mean, one article about a 1961 wristwatch, now an article about a 1982 movie.
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"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
That's the thing I remember most about that movie. Mr. Roarke had become a professional wrestler, or a romance novel clutch hero.
Comic Book Guy voice: Best. Trek. Ever.
I'm so happy this is coming out on DVD in Director's Cut form. Way too cool.
One of the best Treks ever. More action in one movie than there was in the whole original series, at least believable action. All I can think of is Capt Kirk in one of those badly rehearsed street fights. He falls over the way he speaks. Slow and Delayed. Shatner put on his Acting cap for this movie though. Great stuff.
Was there any real explanation for why they switched the look of the Klingons in either the Star Trek universe or the real universe (the explanation)? I remember the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribbulations" where they go back to the TOS tribble episode and that topic came up, and Worf just said something of the like "it's a complicated matter". Any ST experts have an answer?
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I was never a big Star Trek fan, but I saw many of the movies as a kid. I only really remember two of the movies.
... it went from Science Fiction to Freakin' Stupid Fiction.
Without a doubt, the best one was "Kahn". Ricardo Montalban did an amazing job, and the details of his performance are still with me 20 years later.
I remember one other Star Trek movie - the one with the whales. Now I like whales and all, but that movie totally sucked
It sucked so bad that I remember it. It would have been better if they had a role for Tattoo in there.
Honestly I don't mean to troll, but it seems to me like the editors need a bit of consistency here. Khan or Kahn? Pick one and stick with it! Sheesh.
Was Khan malfunctioning?
Weeird, I just got it yesterday from the local 7-11.
e k2.jpg
h ttp://www3.telus.net/adamonline/LOTR2.jpg
:)
Proof?
http://www3.telus.net/adamonline/StarTr
Of course, I got LOTR then too.
http://www3.telus.net/adamonline/LOTR.jpg
I'm thinking someone ****ed up in my favor..like Monopoly banks except better
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ST2:TWoK rocks. It had suspense, a halfway "logical" script, and tragedy.
All the other movies besides the first one just look like beefed up half-ass tv episodes looking to make a quick buck off the guillable but loyal Star Trek fan base.
Khaaaaaannnnnn!
Do you have any extra copies you want to sell?
Sub Pot()
For i = Hypocrite.Lbound to Hypocrite.Ubound
Call Kettle("Black")
Next i
End Sub
Don't believe anything I say. I crash test crack pipes for a living.
wow, basic.
nice
As evidenced by my SAT score, I consider myself to be a fairly intelligent person. But I cannot force myself to watch the dredge that is referred to as Star Trek. Personally, I liked episodes 4,5, and 6; the new episodes: 1 and 2, are especially disheartening. Hopefully, Star Trek will improve in episode 3.
I got a 1600 on the SATs.
The Wrath of Farrakhan That is all.
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...is that it *was* one of the best among major characters in the Trek movies. Although hammy and employing considerable scenery-chewing, Montalban was almost subtle compared to Shatner's various performances.
The fact that ST II is arguably still the best Trek movie is another source of shame.
8/6? Just bought it at the local Wal-Mart. I wonder if someone sold it before they were allowed to...
It's awesome to have all the deleted scenes in it, in high quality. FYI, most of the additions are bits that were shown on ABC when they would televise the movie, but was never on the VHS or original DVD version.
The interviews with the set designers, ILM, and the director, Nicholas Meyer are VERY nice, and very well done.
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Partick Stewart had a much better variation of this joke. Here's his quote from Saturday Night Live:
"Derp de derp."
ok lets see how far we can take this... how about Java!
:P
public class Hypocrite extends Ego inherits Childhood.Issues
{
public void Complaint()
{
for(I; I > You; I++)
super.Kettle("Black");
}
}
Yeah I know I didn't define I or You. Eh the joke works better in Basic..
Eh the joke works better in Basic.
Like this?
10 LET POT$="black"
20 LET KETTLE$=POT$
30 PRINT POT$, KETTLE$
40 GOTO 10
~Philly
"wow, basic."
VISUAL Basic...
Shatner wrote(!?) two fairly amusing books, 1 about making the series and one about the movies. They have lots about the politics and arguments that were part of the process of making the movies and TV series. Lots of quotes and interviews as well as, somewhat self-serving. explininations, reasons why the movies weren't what they should have been.
In a time of universal lies, Telling the Truth is a revolutionary act - George Orwell
Dude,
LSD = D-lysergic acid diethylamide, which people did in the 60s
LDS = Latter Day Saints, which people have done since about the 1860s
"actually, Star Trek V, the one that Shatner wrote and directed, is by far the worst."
Shatner was not to blame for STV's failure. (entirely, anyway...)
STV was filmed during an actor's guild strike of some sorts. Not only did this affect the budget of the movie, but it also affected their ability to get some talent they needed. For example, ILM wasn't around to do the visual effects this time of round.
Lots of changes had to be made to the script in order to accomodate the lack of things (like some rock creatures) showing up in the movie. It became a hobbled mess.
Is it Shatner's fault that the movie sucked? Not really, no. If the movie didn't have those problems, would it have been good? Hard to say. Probably not, from what I've read. It's probable that the first movie would be considered the worst, though. (I think it is anyway, but what do I know?)
I think it was the book 'The Art of Star Trek' that explained what happened in 5, if anybody's curious. That book's seriously cool if you're interested in all the work they did to make those movies. You'd be surprised.
LDS, a joke from Star Trek IV: Save the Whales where Kirk said Spock did a little too much LDS back in college or the sixties when the audience knew he meant LSD.
Visual basic - named so because you can SEE how stupid it is
I am going to put a spoiler in a followup article...
Note to older slashdotter who mixed up his car history:
Ricardo didn't do Volare commercials he did the Chrysler Cordoba. The Volare was produced under the Plymouth name and was mostly the same car as the Dodge Aspen. Neither were the same body/car as Cordoba. And neither had rich Corinthian leather.
: hypocrite ( s -- s s ) dup .s ;
This has to be the greatest!
I know it's a bad one but it's true:
About two weeks ago in the grocery store my girlfriend and I were in the store, she was looking to get some hotdogs to grill and she was shouting down the isle which to get... so I shouted back to her:
KAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNSSSSS!
Needless to say it made my day... everyone thought I was a moron.
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When the original series was created, the US was still fairly locked into "Yellow Peril" due to the last World War. Yellow Peril refers to the Fu Manchu representation of asians, like in the Flash Gordon series. Asians made convenient villains during those times.
If you notice, both the Romulans and Klingons had a very stereotypical Oriental look to them in the original series.
Times of course have changed, and the producers of the Star Trek movies and later series had to deal with the fact that making the Klingons have that patently "Oriental" look would be negatively received.
Hope this isn't a "duh" for y'all, and it certainly doesn't answer the original question, but it's something to make you go "hmm..."
What episode is that creature from holding the movie up?
Damn trekkies always getting dressed up.
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So how would your rate this one:
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Nicholas Meyer wrote and directed Trek II, (co)wrote Trek IV, and directed Trek VI. People who go on about the Moby Dick allegory in First Contact seem to forget that that was first ripped off in II, with Khan as Ahab and Captain Kirk as the great white whale -- a fitting role for Shatner if there ever was one, right? (Oh, come on, what's a Trek post without a mean jab at Shatner?) I think Meyer is half the reason that Trek movies are still getting made at all.
This is the man they should have given the reins of the badly ailing Trek franchise to. Not, for God's sake, John "The Time Machine / Gladiator / BATS!" Logan. Oh yeah, and the Nemesis director's hasn't got a great pedigree, either.
Free Nicholas Meyer!
I have it from a reliable source that Darth Vader is Luke's father.
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"Visual basic - named so because you can SEE how stupid it is"
Actually VB is pretty cool. It's a pity that Windows doesn't come with it. If it did, then we'd have a handy, easy-to-use app generator. It's pretty cool that I can quickly write apps with useful interfaces to assist with my day to day chores.
You've got to be kidding me! There's no way you could seriously believe that to be a flame-retardent post! Even Shatner concedes that V was not a good movie and it was his baby! And there's no denying that V is the most embarassingly bad of the lot! I mean, c'mon...an aged Uhura dancing around in her underwear like she was some 20 year old stripper...*cringe*
It is popularly conceded that TWoK is the *BEST* Trek made, and for once I agree with the majority. It was the film they used as the standard to live up to in the soon to be released Trek : Nemesis. (time will tell if they got it right.)
Gimme a freakin' break already...
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
There is an excellent pair of books by Greg Cox titled, The Eugenics Wars: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonian Sighn. The two books follow the life of Khan through the eyes of Gary Seven and his assistant Roberta, from the original series Assignment: Earth. Both of the books are very funny, with tie-ins not only to each Star Trek series's sojurns into the 21st century, but just about every other sci-fi, series around.
Khan always took my lunch money in grade school. The jerk!!!!
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The joke's even funnier if you consider that the Church of Latter Day Saints is sometimes abbreviated as "LDS".
Oops, you're right. Joke's on me. :)
I heard there was a Time parody about the island state of "San Montalbahn." To show the hyperinflation endemic to such a republic, the 10 peso stamp had a picture of Ricardo Montalbahn from the Chrysler ad, the 1000 peso stamp had Roark, and the billion peso stamp had a picture of Kahn.
"Was
there any real explanation for why they switched the look of the Klingons in either the Star Trek universe or the real universe (the explanation)? I remember the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribbulations" where they go back to the
TOS tribble episode and that topic came up, and Worf just said something of the like "it's a complicated matter". Any
ST experts have an answer?"
Really, who cares?
So who wnats to try this in Brainfuck... [+].>. damn forget it :)
Why not fork?
Remember that skit that had Dana Carvey playing Khan with hockey gloves on! Kiiiirrrrkkk!!!They use the same guy to play Sulu since the original John Belushi sketch :).
your post regarding 4, 5, 6 vs. 1, 2, and an upcoming 3 seem to indicate you are a bit confused.
Don't inhale jimmy...
-rt
Star Trek II: Space Seed: Lost scenes.
When Worf said - We don't talk about it - it seemed to me that he was embarrassed, which led me to believe that it was an STD.
I like this explanation above better --- I always thought that the original Klingons looked a little too similar to the Rom's.
Meanwhile - thanks to all the above that pointed out that there is indeed larger budgets for special effects for movies in the 80's vs. TV series of the 60's. c'mon people
Delphi and C++Builder are better. Visual Basic is to programming what Bill Gates is to cool.
Jesus fucking Christ, that's Visual Basic! Eww! Here, drink this:
?- assert(calls(kettle, black(pot))).
Yes
?- calls(X, black(Z)).
X = kettle
Z = pot
Yes
WHAT? Khan was the VILLIAN? Are you sure?!?! ;)
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
I read through this whole page and there is not one link to a soundbite of Kirk yelling Khaaaaannnnnn.
For shame. http://www.stinsv.com/MOv/St2/khankhan.wav
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It was, of course, the makeup budget changing that made the change happen in the real world. But as far as the Trek Universe goes, the following items have to be explained:
1) In Enterprise, a century before TOS, Klingons were fully brow-ridged.
2) In TOS, Klingons looked like humans
3) TNG Klingons had full brow ridges
4) In DS9, we met some Klingons who had encountered Kirk. While looking like humans during TOS, they now had full ridges.
5) Trials & Tribble-ations [DS9] established that the TOS Klingons do not resemble TNG klingons.
In short, the phenotype of the Klingon race changed between 2160 and 2260; it changed back shortly after 2269 -- and this second change (at least) affected specific, individual Klingons whose appearances changed from the TOS appearance to the TNG one.
Most STU theories do not explain all five points . The hybrid and faction theories are completely refuted by #4. The argument that we're supposed to pretend that Klingons always looked like TNG Klingons is crushed by #5 making a point of it instead of ignoring it.
Alternative explanations are, of course, possible, (A Q or other superbeing making a joke/inflicting a punishment? A body-altering biological agent of some sort?) but none has been officially established.
echo off :thepot :end
if %1==thepot goto thepot else goto end
set black=thekettle
call thekettle %black%
if not errorlevel 1 set you=hypocrite
echo %you%
ObSouthPark:
"Like it says in the bible, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
"Dude! That's not the Bible, that's Wrath of Khan!"
"Same thing..."
ObLarrySanders:
"Put him on speakerphone! Make him say 'Klingon!'"
"Hey Bill, uh, we were wondering, um, who were your main enemies on the show?"
"Well, DeForest Kelley and I had some problems..."
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I would honestly prefer to see these shots redone.
I have no clue what was done with the Director's Release - I haven't seen it yet - but these are the problems I had noticed with the original.
How is it possible that starfleet had a new ship
capable of transwarp??
Didn't the borg introduce transwarp??
Even the ships on voyageur did not have transwarp.
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Anybody know??
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Also did you know that in Japanese, 'Scotty' in the
Wrath of Khan is referred to as Mr. Charlie!!!
buah hah hah
like 99 bottles of beer?
(define hypocracy 100)
(define (pot call)
(if (< call hypocracy)
'()
(cons '(call kettle black) (pot (- call 1)))))
(hypocracy 2000)
; haven't checked the code though...
Fine Corinthian Leather ;) I still remember those commercials.
You don't remember the connercials very well, apparently. It's rich Corinthian Leather.
that many Star Trek fans have given it for the past 30 years... it was a great update to the series; much less contrived that the first movie, etc. etc. I hope the influences this movie had on subsequent Trek series is also explored.
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
There is no "explanation" - they were always supposed to look like that, but they didn't have the makeup ability (or budget) when the original series was made. When they made the movie they had budget and ability and so did it.
Its doubtfull you could retcon this in any sensible and plausible way
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... a good action film perhaps - but not reall a good trek film...
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
It's not a matter of 'better'. It's a matter of ease of use. I'm not even trying to make a point that VB is superior in terms of capability or efficiency. What VB excels at is creating a quick app with a useful interface to do something simple.
foreach $atom (@list) { print $atom; }
Set the way back machine to 1983. Superman 3 was in the movie theatres. And there was considerable discussion of it failings on USENET. Devoted fans were criticizing this movie left, right and centre. "C'mon, there is no way Richard Pryor's character could learn enough about computers in a prison rehabilitation program to take over the entire world." Mercifully, I have forgotten the other criticisms.
One wise guy wrote:
Walter Koenig (the actor that played Chekov) has stated that he realised this as well, but that he kept his yap shut so that he wouldn't lose screen time to George Takei (Sulu) through a rewrite.
Otherwise, as far as nitpicks go, this one is rather minor. Chekov was on the ship (no crew transfers back then, as they wanted to keep the "far from all other ships" feeling), and the meeting was simply off-screen. The end effect is that Khan's memory is even better if he can remember a name mentioned in passing.
The Wrath of Kahn is a classic collection of things to pick apart (the overly long "sixty seconds", the wandering bloodstain on Kirk's jacket, and many more), but the movie is still the best Star Trek movie made.
The change in the makeup budget is trivial. THe bigger change is that the Klingons changed from Nazi's to Norsemen along the way . . .
hawk
Yes.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Is this the same place where the malign nature of DVDs, region coding and prosecution of people for accessing DVDs they bought is derided?
If you have to buy crap like Star Trek stuff buy the VHS version or don't buy it at all. Your local cable or satellite company I am sure has enough re-runs of this "masterpiece" for you to record it and archive it for posterity, all this without pandering to the copyright vultures.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I should write a Slashdot primer sometime for people just entering the community. I'll put as the number one thing to understand is "For some reason people think that the words `that sucks' coming out of their mouths enhances what people think about them."
V was a pretty good movie.
Insurrection was a pretty good movie.
Here's how I rate them without appology. On the scale, ***** being the best of star trek, * being the worst.
1 ***
2 *****
3 ***
4 *****
5 ****
6 **
7 *
8 ****
9 ****
Five and insurrection were pretty good in my book. No need to appologize for it. I watched them, liked them, and would watch again when the casual opportunity arises.
Listening to it, the "in depth analysis" I read here is no better then any other topic stimulating group of geeks to slap their tongues against the roofs of their mouths.
All we need to complete this chest pounding is someone to brag about their SAT score.
In the end, as has been said about Bond movies, I find bad Star Trek better then your average movie anyway.
Uhura in her underwear?!? Now I am going to have to rent it!
What Kirk and the NCC-1701 encountered were Klingon-Human fusions. Not real Klingons but half-Klingons. It seems that the Klingons had a thing for doing it with humans, and created half-Klingon hybirds (You know, like Spock was half-human) who did boarder patrols in the neutral zone. Why let a real Klingon take over the sh*tty jobs when they could let the Half-Klingons do it?
:)
That and another theory, that the Klingons had mutated due to exposure to the early cloaking devices, and they fixed it in the modern cloaking devices.
Yet another theory suggests bad special effects and makeup from the 1960's, that was corrected with the Star Trek Movies and TNG and on forward.
Yet another theory suggests a conspiracy between Q and Trelane, playing jokes on the Klingon Empire.