What makes you think the illegality of the acts you mentioned does not make a dent? If murder or robbery was not illegal but merely immoral, don't you think their rates would not increase.
I got a question, since RMS insists that Linux be called GNU/Linux... and since I can compile and run nearly EVERY GNU program on an installation of SCO, shouldn't you make an SCO-FSF-2.txt and rename SCO to GNU/SCO?
sure, but only if you have thrown out the proprietary versions of unix utilities, compiler, etc. out. in GNU/Linux systems not only most of the tools come from GNU (along with BSD to be fair), they also do not include alternatives in general. that is the key point.and please don't tell me you have Intel's compiler, that's never a part of GNU/Linux distribution, Xfree86 is a much better example.
It would seem wiser to support a solution that favors the best tool for the job, which may not always be an open source product.
We are talking about government here. Their job is long term well-being of their people. OSS is
the best tool for this job.
Just to address one of your points (I don't agree with any of your reasoning): 1) To teach the ragheads in neighboring countries that fucking with us is not an option. That we can and will come and kick your ass if you piss us off and there isn't a damned thing the UN can do about it.
Don't you think this kind of reasoning also applies to "terrorists": We brought down their WTC to teach them they shouldn't fuck with us etc. etc. Are you crazy? Seriously! Just because an operation is carried out by a government who has a seat in UN SC and has the largest army and biggest economy in the world does not make that operation just, or logical. In the end, US lied about its reasons for this war, innocent people got killed by thousands, a country is thrown into chaos, the hostility against US has increased. In short world became a worst place. Why? To fill someone's pocket, make no mistake about it.
You can't justify a colonial war. I hope you are just trolling and do not actually believe in what you have written.
The measures adopted by the four anti-UCITA states -- Iowa, North Carolina, West Virginia and, just last month, Vermont-- are called "bomb-shelter" legislation, intended to prevent a vendor from applying, for instance, Maryland's UCITA law provisions on residents in a bomb-shelter state.
The tradition of wearing veils started in Turkey, in Ottoman Empire to be precise. Some Turkmens had just moved to the city of Bursa, the women among these group were very beautiful and Turkmens were less modest than the general population. This led to a
"fetva" which forced these beautiful women to cover their faces. Pretty soon, it became a sign for beauty and it caught up with other women and other countries.
Silly story, isn't it?
OK,it is not sci-fi but I have to recommend it. I am reading Chomsky's "Understanding Power" now. It makes me surprised, angry, upset at the same time. It definetely requires free time, you cannot read that book while trying to do something that requires concentration.
Give it a try, you will be surprised.
we are going on a tangent here but i need to make this correction. cases that do not go to trial cannot set precedent. to set a precedent someone has to commit the act, be charged, be prosecuted and be acquitted. IANAL but my father and brother are.
Himm, how about the letters sent to Linux users/companies? I haven't read any of them but from the comments I have read about them I got the impression that those letters stated that SCO owned IP rights to UNIX which was infringed by Linux. If this is so, they were lying in those letters. IMHO it is relevant.
Interesting. In Turkish law it does matter if everybody else is doing it or not. Canonical example is riding a bicycle without a license. According to law, they can confiscate your bike and hold you overnight for doing that, but it is never enforced. If a police officer arrests you because you are riding a bike w/o a license, you can claim that he is abusing power and picking on you. It might not have an effect:-( but there is a law against that kind of behaviour from enforcement. I'd think any civilized country would have a similar law. Law enforcement agencies cannot pick the people and the time to enforce the law. Now the disclaimer, for civil matters the damaged party can go after anybody they want. They don't have to go after everyone so for this matter "everybody does it" won't hold in court.
With all due respect, you make it sound like the passed laws in the States were required. They were NOT. There are ways to deal with problems without sacrificing the civil liberties of your citizens, at least not as much as the US govenment is doing.
for soon it may be gone... between this, DMCA, DRM, and patriot act.. OSS just may become extinct...
DRM has nothing to do with OSS, you can actually have DRM within OSS. Regarding DMCA and PATRIOT act, maybe your conclusion should be changed to OSS just may become extinct in USA
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yep, there is one. plugger plugin along with an installation of ghostscript will do on Linux. although this might not save you space ghostscript is a lot easier to find than acroread since it has dual licensing and older version are GPL.
you reformatted the drive, the data is still recoverable, so you are secure from legal point of view. The probability of getting raided and being caught at the moment while data in your drive is recoverable but customer's not is so little that it does not justify privacy breach.
Well no, we do not all precisely feel the same thing, of course not, just read/. from time to time. However there is a (although loosely defined) community that corresponds to "Linux, Open Source and Free Software movements". And that community has a general, repeat general not everybody's precise, opinion about software patenting issue. The point is not Bruce Perens represents this community better, it is that Graham claims to represent the community yet he contradicts the general opinion.
OK, after writing this I felt like feeling a troll:-) because what I am saying is so obvious.
Would it really be some benefit if cars were twice as difficult to use?
I know this is not your point but, you picked the wrong example. Yes! It would be better if cars were twice difficult to use. I would feel more comfortable riding my bike if I knew it really required a skill to get a driver's license in Illinois.
Hi,
There have been a couple of comments about how Caldera has already distributed Linux kernel so they cannot claim IP theft etc.
I think we should be careful that Microsoft et al. should not put a spin on this like "See, they got involved in GPL software and lost their IP rights. We have been saying IT companies which produce original work should stay away from GPL if they do not want to lose their IP."
We have to make it clear that SCO/Caldera did not get screwed because they touched GPL software but they have simply agreed to share their IP and now claiming someone stole it, or something along these lines.
Him... I really do not want to start discussing US constitution but:
I do not think your analogy holds. There are certain guns which are obivously offensive weapons or can be changed into offensive weapons with simple changes. Knives, in general, are used for cutting things. This is their general purpose in today's society. Banning knives will hurt the society. Banning the distribution of weapons that can kill tens of people in minutes or restricting the weapons that are used to shoot at objects at a distance would not hurt the society in a similar way.
How can you make fun of "executing a man on the spot"? I can even understand that you get a satisfaction from someone's death, because you hate the person, but to make fun of it!??
himm, but this is a kernel patch, not only do you
need to install it, you also need to reboot for
the changes to take effect. RHN might be valuable but in this case it is not that useful.
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What makes you think the illegality of the acts you mentioned does not make a dent? If murder or robbery was not illegal but merely immoral, don't you think their rates would not increase.
I, for one, think you should watch fewer movies. Seriously, you are asking /. crowd how law enforcement of Russia thinks?
ok. I am one of the people who swallowed it. where is the good science that refutes it? really.
I got a question, since RMS insists that Linux be called GNU/Linux ... and since I can compile and run nearly EVERY GNU program on an installation of SCO, shouldn't you make an SCO-FSF-2.txt and rename SCO to GNU/SCO?
sure, but only if you have thrown out the proprietary versions of unix utilities, compiler, etc. out. in GNU/Linux systems not only most of the tools come from GNU (along with BSD to be fair), they also do not include alternatives in general. that is the key point.and please don't tell me you have Intel's compiler, that's never a part of GNU/Linux distribution, Xfree86 is a much better example.
It would seem wiser to support a solution that favors the best tool for the job, which may not always be an open source product.
We are talking about government here. Their job is long term well-being of their people. OSS is the best tool for this job.
Just to address one of your points (I don't agree with any of your reasoning):
1) To teach the ragheads in neighboring countries that fucking with us is not an option. That we can and will come and kick your ass if you piss us off and there isn't a damned thing the UN can do about it.
Don't you think this kind of reasoning also applies to "terrorists": We brought down their WTC to teach them they shouldn't fuck with us etc. etc. Are you crazy? Seriously! Just because an operation is carried out by a government who has a seat in UN SC and has the largest army and biggest economy in the world does not make that operation just, or logical. In the end, US lied about its reasons for this war, innocent people got killed by thousands, a country is thrown into chaos, the hostility against US has increased. In short world became a worst place. Why? To fill someone's pocket, make no mistake about it.
You can't justify a colonial war. I hope you are just trolling and do not actually believe in what you have written.
The tradition of wearing veils started in Turkey, in Ottoman Empire to be precise. Some Turkmens had just moved to the city of Bursa, the women among these group were very beautiful and Turkmens were less modest than the general population. This led to a "fetva" which forced these beautiful women to cover their faces. Pretty soon, it became a sign for beauty and it caught up with other women and other countries.
Silly story, isn't it?
A very good book, definetely hackerish, good science, not fiction though.
Yeah, I did mention it in a couple previous postings. I loved the book.
OK,it is not sci-fi but I have to recommend it. I am reading Chomsky's "Understanding Power" now. It makes me surprised, angry, upset at the same time. It definetely requires free time, you cannot read that book while trying to do something that requires concentration.
Give it a try, you will be surprised.
we are going on a tangent here but i need to make this correction. cases that do not go to trial cannot set precedent. to set a precedent someone has to commit the act, be charged, be prosecuted and be acquitted. IANAL but my father and brother are.
Himm, how about the letters sent to Linux users/companies? I haven't read any of them but from the comments I have read about them I got the impression that those letters stated that SCO owned IP rights to UNIX which was infringed by Linux. If this is so, they were lying in those letters. IMHO it is relevant.
Interesting. In Turkish law it does matter if everybody else is doing it or not. Canonical example is riding a bicycle without a license. According to law, they can confiscate your bike and hold you overnight for doing that, but it is never enforced. If a police officer arrests you because you are riding a bike w/o a license, you can claim that he is abusing power and picking on you. It might not have an effect :-( but there is a law against that kind of behaviour from enforcement. I'd think any civilized country would have a similar law. Law enforcement agencies cannot pick the people and the time to enforce the law. Now the disclaimer, for civil matters the damaged party can go after anybody they want. They don't have to go after everyone so for this matter "everybody does it" won't hold in court.
With all due respect, you make it sound like the passed laws in the States were required. They were NOT. There are ways to deal with problems without sacrificing the civil liberties of your citizens, at least not as much as the US govenment is doing.
for soon it may be gone... between this, DMCA, DRM, and patriot act.. OSS just may become extinct...
DRM has nothing to do with OSS, you can actually have DRM within OSS. Regarding DMCA and PATRIOT act, maybe your conclusion should be changed to OSS just may become extinct in USA
yep, there is one. plugger plugin along with an installation of ghostscript will do on Linux. although this might not save you space ghostscript is a lot easier to find than acroread since it has dual licensing and older version are GPL.
you reformatted the drive, the data is still recoverable, so you are secure from legal point of view. The probability of getting raided and being caught at the moment while data in your drive is recoverable but customer's not is so little that it does not justify privacy breach.
Well no, we do not all precisely feel the same thing, of course not, just read /. from time to time. However there is a (although loosely defined) community that corresponds to "Linux, Open Source and Free Software movements". And that community has a general, repeat general not everybody's precise, opinion about software patenting issue. The point is not Bruce Perens represents this community better, it is that Graham claims to represent the community yet he contradicts the general opinion. :-) because what I am saying is so obvious.
OK, after writing this I felt like feeling a troll
Would it really be some benefit if cars were twice as difficult to use?
I know this is not your point but, you picked the wrong example. Yes! It would be better if cars were twice difficult to use. I would feel more comfortable riding my bike if I knew it really required a skill to get a driver's license in Illinois.
Hi,
There have been a couple of comments about how Caldera has already distributed Linux kernel so they cannot claim IP theft etc.
I think we should be careful that Microsoft et al. should not put a spin on this like "See, they got involved in GPL software and lost their IP rights. We have been saying IT companies which produce original work should stay away from GPL if they do not want to lose their IP."
We have to make it clear that SCO/Caldera did not get screwed because they touched GPL software but they have simply agreed to share their IP and now claiming someone stole it, or something along these lines.
they brought up the question whether or not Pac-man is in fact software.
what is MLK? is this not LeGuin in A Wizard of Earthsea?
Him... I really do not want to start discussing US constitution but:
I do not think your analogy holds. There are certain guns which are obivously offensive weapons or can be changed into offensive weapons with simple changes. Knives, in general, are used for cutting things. This is their general purpose in today's society. Banning knives will hurt the society. Banning the distribution of weapons that can kill tens of people in minutes or restricting the weapons that are used to shoot at objects at a distance would not hurt the society in a similar way.
How can you make fun of "executing a man on the spot"? I can even understand that you get a satisfaction from someone's death, because you hate the person, but to make fun of it!??
himm, but this is a kernel patch, not only do you need to install it, you also need to reboot for the changes to take effect. RHN might be valuable but in this case it is not that useful.