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BitTorrent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads
MartyJG writes "The BBC are running a story on how Matrix Reloaded is available via P2P. This time BitTorrent is taking the heat for the distribution - even though there's no company behind it to drag over the coals. The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech." Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.
Great work guys. I'm downloading Matrix: Reloaded right now with BitTorrent and the whole thing is about to get Slashdotted. Thanks.
Someone plz post the bit-torrent link? :)
No I didnt spell check this post...
Let's see the MP** go after this one....
Maybe the copies are another form of control... Give us a grainy low res version to excite us and then grab the $8 admission to the movie.... The matrix has us!
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people in the world?"
..getting ready for another killing of some bittorrent sites today. dammit. Let's hope that the ones that are left, still have their rewrite rules in place. :D
The Matrix Reloaded is available through BitTorrent? Wow, thanks BBC, I never would have known that without that story! Now I just gotta find that .torrent file...
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Without a company to go after, it's only a matter of time before the MPAA goes after a few users a la the RIAA over the last couple months. Considering that studios put oodles more money into a major movie release than a music CD, they have plenty more to "lose" from P2P trading...
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Their lawyer was quoted as saying 'This one is the exact same thing as the last one. Same gimmicks, same fast-food mysticism. I believe we have a strong case for plagarism'.
I guess next you will tell me that people use Kazaa for porn.
Most of these early bootlegs are filmed on a VHS camcorder with people's heads in the picture. If I was planning on seeing Matrix in the theatre, I wouldn't download a garbage version. If I wasn't planning on seeing it in theatres, I might consider it, but I'd probably still wait for the DVD. How does this hurt them?
Slashdot subscriptions have real added value... subscribers can get their copy of Reloaded before the whole site gets /.ed
Haven't they figured out yet that the people that download this crap will NEVER EVER actually buy the DVD release. If you're going to spend DAYS downloading some crappy copy over a P2P network rather than spend a lousy $10 to see it, then that's sad. My time is worth more than a $10 movie ticket. I'll see it in the theater and buy the DVD when it comes out.
They don't have to sue anyone to shut this down, they just release the story to slashdot and watch all the bit torrent sites go down.
The writeup says it all: The friggin' movie has made 365M already! Not to mention to utter PILES of cash from all the merchandizing and cross-promotion...
I don't know what it cost to make, but to whine that "a few hundred million isn't enough, those bastards are ripping us off" doesn't leave me with a whole lot of sympathy.
How much is enough, Hollywood?
I've paid about $30 so far to watch The Matrix: Reloaded. Reloaded has provoked many philosophical debates. Is Neo a genuine Jesus-like messiah? Is there a Matrix within a Matrix? Then there is speculation on what will happen next. Is it so wrong, after paying $30 total to see it in theatres, to download a low quality telesync just to double check your facts for arguements sake?
Ive had a copy on vhs for weeks now!
that's what i'd be saying if i had bought that copy from that guy on the subway.
I write code.
Movies like the Matrix, Lords of the Rings etc are social events. People will watch it in the cinema among their friends family no matter how easy it is to get at divx copy.
Those hundreds of Agent Smiths that Neo had to fight were actually multiple streaming BitTorrent threads. It all makes sense now.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
So all I can say is: Bah.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
I understand how certain people don't want to see this movie pirated, but one the other hand, couldn't seeing a grainy version of the film with bad sound quality only want to make you pay the money to either go to the theatre or buy the DVD?
It's not like the actual DVD has been ripped and that's being pirated around the net. Now that would be a different story wouldn't it ...
The story speculates about the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech.
Wow, sounds like the culprit is an insider! Perhaps someone should contact these guys and point out the "inadvertant error" in their analysis before the real criminals get away?
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This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.
There aren't any screener versions or similar online yet... believe me, I'd have looked!
At the end of the day, I can't imagine any Matrix fans are going to download the movie rather than seeing it on the big screen and/or buying the DVD.
I've tried getting the movie 3 times with eMule, and each time it wasn't Matrix but a porn movie. The female characters were reloaded alright, but not the Matrix ...
I guess I'll just go the theater to see it.
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The movie is overrated,really.
I can't believe it has gotten 7.5/10 on imdb.com.
Taco has seen it twice to understand their obfuscated frustration ?
I seriously recommend Adaptation (Nicolas Cage) which is more surprising than this Matrix2 piece of shit.
Now wait : if you want to see some really good stuff, re-watch Dogma.
You'd actually want more people trying to download it at the same time... because that provides many more upload sites at the same time.
Bittorrent is a really clever technology... I was able to download RedHat 9.0 in minutes rather than hours when it was made available.
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I don't download movies because I like nice high quality imagery. I'll acknowledge that even exceptions to the bull occur sometimes, like this example, but I want to enjoy the experience. I'd gather that most people who download movies either weren't planning on buying the movie in the first place, or have already seen it, and have given at least some money for the experience. Either way, the studio has gotten all of the money it's realistically going to get.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Considering that some people are seeing the movie more than once and how much it has grossed so far, complaining about illegal downloads seems so redundant, it's almost laughable !
I'll take a bet 95% of people who have an illegal copy of the movie have paid to see it.
There's no substitue for seeing a movie like the matrix on a big screen.
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- Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.
Once to film it and another to watch it, hmmm??-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Though it's true the Matrix Reloaded is a far better film to see on the BIG SCREEN than in some cheesy little window on my PC, my enjoyment of it that way (and I took my wife with me to see it too!) did not contribute anything towards the 380 million dollars it has collected to date. Why? We snuck in! Never pay to see a movie at a megaplex... just leave your coat in your car and claim you're returning from a cigarette break. It's the punk rock thing to do!!
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...that the majority of families these days are disfunctional and are incapable of socialising in the home.
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
Becuase Bruce Almighty made more money than them....they have to come up with some excuse for a shitty Jim Carrey movie beating them. Wouldn't you?
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"Digital piracy has become a real menace," - Jack Valenti (see, I RTFA!)
I'd say SARS is a real menace. Or AIDS. Or rednecks in the white house. How many people has my piratred copy of Matrix 2 killed? Injured even?
OK, there was the Russian. But I didn't know he was standing there when threw the CD.
Clearly ones and zeroes are dangerous things. We shouldn't be teaching these things in school. Think of the children! Won't someone think of the children!
Oh, the humanity.
Jack Valenti must not have a very good grip on reality if he thinks my vain effort to figure out if Carrie-Anne Moss shows either of her no-doubt perfect nipples in that one scene is in any way dangerous to civilization as we know it. Fucktard.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
No, but many non-matrix fans will download it just for the sake of seeing it, instead of waiting to rent it at blockbuster.
The rental industry is getting killed by movie piracy online. If you're a fan of a film, you'll go to the theatre to see it.
But all those so-so films that you tell yourself "I'll wait and rent it", can now be downloaded free-as-in-hobo at your leisure.
Of course we only need justify this the same way as we do with MP3 'sharing'; Why should I pay to see a movie that only has one good character and the rest is filler?
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already. But I haven't watched it. I plan to see it in the theater this week and then watch my download multiple times to figure out all the things I missed or said "WHA?" about. I wouldn't pay to see it in the theater more than one time. And I'll buy the 3 DVD set of Matrix movies when it comes out.
thats what i payed to see it the sunday after it was released. no waiting in lines, either. at a good theater, too. i dont know why this theater was so cheap, but i dont care. no mafia in oklahoma, that cant be it... oh well.
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It must be P2P day on slashdot.
I was watching the news before and saw a kid killed his parents and got the idea from The Matrix. Then I changed the channel and the Simpsons were on, it was the one where Marge wants Itchy and Scratch cancelled because Maggie hit Homer over the head with a hammer and they were protesting outside the place where they make Itchy and Scratchy.
Trinity DIES!!!
And then Neo reaches into her chest cavity and grabs her heart like in Mortal Combat and squeezes it!! And then he eats it!!!
The bittorrent for Matrix Reloaded is available here: clicky clikcy!
Leech it, spread it, and laugh in the faces of DMCA, MPAA, and BBC! Okey, not BBC, but you get the idea.trms.
In other news, the Associated Press is reporting that 85% of Matrix2 bootleg bytes flow over Cisco routers. Therefore, Cisco is to blame for bootlegging. Several users reported that their Cisco products simply began downloading a Matrix2 bootleg without their permission.
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I already purchased tix and went and watched the movie. Granted, my memory isn't as good as divx, but I've already paid for the experience.
I'm going to buy the DVD when it comes out. What's the diff if I watched it at the theater, dl a p2p copy and then later buy it too?
This could apply to music as well. What about something I already own? For instance I have hundreds of cassettes. Could I morally download copies of these songs from a p2p?
The copy of matrix reloaded they are probably talking about is a telesync by centropy. It is shot whith a dv cam in a theatre, with a direct audio feed, encoded to svcd, 3 cd's, and has been all over the net for over a week...
Guys, what the fuck? wake the hell up eh, no wonder people are so ignorant on p2p issues, even slashdotters don't know better. There is no goddamn BitTorrent version of the matrix 2 that is higher quality, BitTorrent is a godamn distribution mechanism.
The elites that bring you all your prized cracked software happen to get their hands on this great movie, and released it. If it gets to BitTorrent, it's not a fucking BitTorrent version, give credit where it is due!
So many people don't have a clue, and slash trolls are feeding that. BitTorrent has nothing to do with the matrix, or the fact that it is being moved around on their system.
Centropy is the group that did the matrix 2, they kickass
Nothing wrong with jacking off over Carrie Ann Moss all day.
Release the DVDs earlier, and people will buy them instead of downloading. And those who still download probably wouldn't have bought a DVD anyway - for them the choice was a) don't have it or b) pirate it. They were not open to choice c) 'buy it' in the first place. That is the fallacy that the MPAA/RIAA rely on when citing "piracy concerns" - they assume that everyone who has Item X would have paid for it if it were not available in pirated form; that is a faulty assumption.
The fact that large-scale movie piracy (and indeed, any piracy) is happening is an indicator that people are largely unsatisfied with the current prices and/or distribution methods.
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http://www.torrentfiles.com/downloads/matrix.reloa ded.ts-esoteric.torrent
Someone mirror it please in case torrentfilies.com goes down.
While I would normally disagree with you on this point since major action movies people will normally fork over money to watch in the theater, I have seen a copy of this and when watched on someone's xbox it is actually really good quality. I doubt it is from a digital source since you can tell it was shot from below the screen aiming up a little bit.
I was at a little LAN Party last weekend and while there were little nerds there with their Matrix II backgrounds watching it in Windows...they also claimed to have seen the movie several times in the theaters.
Which rip is the best one? Centropy? There's a ton of them out there, trying to figure out what to download. :)
Apart from the obvious one that the 'low quality DVDs' are probably exactly the same data that is being touted as a high quality bit-torrent file...
There was no 'co-ordinated worldwide release' for Reloaded, here in Britain we got it a week an a half later than the US.
There were a whole host of pirate versions on alt.pictures.binaries.divx before the film was even released over here.
As for a solution to the problem, I've seen the film at the cinema, and I'd buy it on DVD, but guess what, there is no legitimate DVD yet.
I'd be tempted to download a divx as a stop-gap until the DVD is released (in it's final, most complete version) but I know that divx files rarely play back with sound even with the latest 5.05 release of the divx codec for Mac.
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I must have missed the important part of the story.
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So if they go after ONE person, they also have to go after the other 700 million people downloading as well because not one person is more accountable than any other. It's entirely balanced distribution, and finding the original contributor is all but impossible after it has been released to more that one machine. I dont think they could drag anyone to court and honestly answer why the other 699,999,999 people aren't there as well, it would be discrimination.
-- the source of the copy, suggesting it's from a film or digital source rather than a cinema-screen-leech--
Howabout going after themselves? I remeber a few days before Episode II came out I had a copy...and it was terrible. Sure I watched it and was wowed but when the movie came out I still went and saw it. Now if YOUR OWN COMPANY leaks a pristine digital copy it seems to me that the problem is your own company and not a file format (.torrent). And as many people pointed out, Ive seen matrix twice now and I garuntee you anyone searching out reloaded on bit torrent is A. a huge fan and B. will or has already shelled out to see it.
If they start to sue individual users since there is no company ill boycot the 3rd movie. Just like ill never buy a CD again (i support my artists by buying a tshirt at concerts, that is where they make money) the only thing you can do these days is vot with your dollar.
You guys (and gals) talk so much shit about the MPAA but who pays their salaries? You do. Everytime you see the matrix / LOTR your paying their lawyers to hunt people down. Never forget that.
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Yo, I've seen the movie three times in theatres already, with a fourth viewing slated for the upcoming IMAX release. Post the link, because I'VE EARNED IT.
- IP
The BBC? Do you think they linked to the bittorrent file?
The BitTorrent URL itself? You obviously don't understand how BitTorrent works....
Newsgroups are where it's at. All three cd's of the Centropy SVCD release are in many of the alt.binaries groups.
Criticising BitTorrent shows just how clueless these guys are. Always aim at the end-user sharing program, and never at the underlying violators who are hosting the actual data being shared. Maybe if they went after Centropy, something might get done, but then again where could we go to download status symbols and be sup4r l33t??
Can't help noticing that it still somehow managed to gross a totally ridiculous amount of money..
So I guess the Matrix people would want to sue the people that came up with BitTorrent, right? But what if someone wrote a file sharing program, but split it in two seperate pieces that on their own do nothing, but when you combine them (copy A + B C) it becomes the final program?
Of course you need to set it up as being two totally indepedent sources for A and B... Sounds very hard...
All of my friends had copies of the original Matrix on their PC's. It contributed to the popularity in a big way as far as I saw. The coolness factor of having a digital copy was almost cult-like.
If I hadn't first seen the Matrix for free on a friend's 17 inch monitor, I doubt I would have ended up paying to see Reloaded on the opening night.
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Well, $12 CDN for 4 movies at a drive in. Of which all but Malibu's Most Wanted were much better.
Here I sit brokenhearted,
Paid $3 and and wasn't outsmarted.
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I was just way impressed with the extra long fight scenes... I enjoy long fights.
We wouldn't have went out to see it and have a nice night out if I didn't argue it would be good to see. I wouldn't have argued it was good if I didn't download it.
I always make it a point to try and make sure the artist gets my coin if the artist deserves it. Theres so much crap out there, I feel if more people do as I do, then more talented and original artists will be weeded from corporate respawn.
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Guns responsible for murder, cars responsible for accidents, tractors responsible for farming.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
I've also heard that movie theaters are in far more trouble from video rentals than they could possibly be from file sharing. Who wants to go to some sticky-floor theater and eat overpriced greasy popcorn and pay $10 per person for tickets when you can rent a DVD and watch it on your home theater with your friends for less than the price of one ticket? Viewers are starting to figure that out.
These days I hardly ever go see big-release movies in the theater. I saw Spiderman and LOTR 1 and that's about it. Oh yeah, Attack of the Clones because a friend dragged me to the theater. I haven't seen LOTR 2 yet and I'm looking forward to seeing it, but I'm going to wait for a DVD rental. If that puts another nail into the MPAA's coffin, I'm all for it.
I believe this is what they are referring to.
a ded.ts-esoteric.torrent
http://www.torrentfiles.com/downloads/matrix.relo
I used bittorrent to download both the script and the matrix reloaded 2 cd set. The soundtrack is not that great but hey, it was free. I haven't read the script, and probably won't, but I will keep it like the hoarding little child that I am. I wasn't game to download the movie itself for several reasons, a) I thought it would be some dodgy copy by someone sitting in the theatre with a handycam, b) I want to experience the full effect of seeing it in a cinema, c) frankly, my hd is full, and will take me a week or so to get a new one.
This is pure nonsense. There are about 6 different versions of Reloaded floating about online but all the ones I've seen are Telesyncs.
:)
Actually there is a DVDrip quality version out there. It's 3 SVCD's. I have no idea how someone got a copy this good, but it's VERY good. Perhaps the best rip I've ever seen
Despite this piracy, the flick has made over $365M already. Including my tickets. Twice.
That's a good little consumer. Be sure to save some money for 3.
Yeah, I downloaded the Matrix Reloaded using bit torrent. But I also watched the movie twice in the theatre and refused to watch the download until I had seen it in the theatre. And I'm willing to bet most of the people who downloaded it watched it in the theatres as well.
This is especially true for this movie because so much of the draw is the visual effects and the whole theatre experience. It was well worth the cost of the ticket to see it in the theatre.
I would never replace the theatre experience with a poor-quality download.
$365mil is a lot of moolah; it needs a comparison.
Let's assume the worst case scenario*: Every college student in the united states downloads the movie and don't pay their $7 to see the movie in a theater. There are about 5 million college students**, so that works out to $35 million. That's ten percent of the total. And that total is still rising -- the movie hasn't been out that long, and the DVD is still far away.
* Ok, this isn't the worst case - sorry to be us-centric and imply that college students are the pirates. But, this is their propoganda and I'm following it to the MPAA's extreme.
** 1.3 mil college bound seniors * 4 = guesstimate
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maybe im misinformed, but how exactly can it be a rip when it hasnt been encoded on a dvd yet? are you *gasp* without a clue?
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I downloaded the low quality Esoteric release. :-P
Props to whatever group got the HQ copy out, now just to sort that distrobution out from the 50 other LQ copies floating around!
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Piracy: a crucial part of viral marketing.
Pirates have been given a bad rap, historically. History is written by the victors, remember. Many of the pirates from the great sailing age freed slaves and the indentured, set up their own kingless mini-republics and functional anarchies, and would appear more modern to us than their other contemporaries.
See this excert from TAZ on pirate utopias or this article or google it. And of course if you're really into the spirit of things, you could goof around reading No Quarter Given.
"They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference, they rob the poor under the cover of law, forsooth, and we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage. Had you not better make then one of us, than sneak after these villains for employment" - D. Defoe
Damn those pesky terrorists
The Matrix program just made you *think* you did, so you could believe you were sticking one on The Man. This made you happy and contented so the machines could suck a few more amps out of your neural synapses.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
this as if it were something new. just because the matrix is cool doesnt make this any more news than equilibrium conspiracy theories.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Count me in as a moviegoer, there's no substitute. I want to go see it again!
Why on earth would you download a badly done copy of something you can pay for the best quality of?
In my world we have little bits of currency with which we can purchase (for the most part) quality controlled goods and services. Some of you should check that out.
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*yawn*. All things can be used for good or evil. Duh. What would be ideal would be for the BitTorrent folks to publicly denounce this. Or add a little disclaimer to their page (like Apple did with Rip Mix Burn) saying "We do not endorse or support the use of BitTorrent for illegal activities".
Now, here come the cries of "waaah, censorship, you're a fascist, etc". But think about it for just a second. All BitTorrent would be saying is "look, we created this to solve the problem of distributing things like ISO images to hundreds of people. We didn't create this to help you download the matrix. We stronly encourage you not to use it for that". That's not censorship, nor is it selling out. (Unless, of course, they really did create BitTorrent specifically for downloading movies.) They can't actively prevent you from downloading illegal files, but they can tell you that they think it's not such a bright idea.
Napster, Kazaa, and all the others really couldn't pull the "people can download anything from our networks, not just music" without the entire world laughing. Seeing as how BitTorrent has been used by RedHat and others to distribute ISOs, they actually can pull that argument and have it stick. And I really hope the BitTorrent folks don't pass on this opporuntity. Because then the RIAA has two choices: 1) accuse RedHat and others of supporting piracy by encouarging BitTorrent (which, while it would have MSFT dancing with glee, just isn't going to stick in this day and age); 2) suck it up and realize that tools can be used for both good and evil
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VHS, huh? You've got to be kidding. How exactly would you sneak that into a theater? A backpack?
If you are going to see the Matrix or Lord of the Rings, you don't have any friends to begin with.
Matrix Reloaded was available a day before it was released on Torrent...old old news STOP POSTING TORRENT NEWS. Every time I go to sites they are down now because of the #@# slashdot effect. Its killing the best file sharing program out there
Anyone who knows peer-2-peer sharing is aware that IRC is by far the largest network around. Yet, new programs spring up every week for file sharing, and most of them shut down later down the road, yah Napster anyone? IRC has continued to stay online despite the amount of piracy that transpires on the IRC network. Also the amount of 'warez gatherings' that take place on IRC is unprecendented by any other network today. So how can we assume that BitTorrent is a problem?
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"BitTorent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads"
Gun blamed for killing spree
Circular saw blamed for rash of new buildings
Gasoline blamed for smog
People kill people with guns. People build buildings using various tools. People burn gasoline in their cars. People illegally download the Matrix: Reloaded.
MORTAR COMBAT!
Have you been asleep? The point is not to win in court on the merits of the case. The point is to force the poor schmucks whose names they pick from a hat to give up.
I believe they normally attach a settlement document to the letter telling them they are going to lose everything they own in court costs defending themselves. Unless the EFF does something about it.
I've got a bad attitude and karma to burn. Go ahead. Mod me down.
Even though this will probably become one of, if not the biggest, selling movie ever, yet they will still calim piracy hurts them. Most people will go see it at the cinema but will want to watch it at home again and not have to wait 6 months or what ever till it comes out. Do u think they will realise. doubt it.
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Think about it: In the Matrix Reloaded, GNU/Smith touches anyone else, and they become GNU/Smiths. He is just as viral as the GPL!
And it's not like they only get a GNU/Smith arm in their othervise normal bodies, they turn completely GNU/Smith.
I bought a NEW DVD from COSTCO no long ago. Got home and discovered I had already purcahsed the DVD previously so I put it on the shelf to give to a friend. Gave it to a friend later on, they cracked the seal, put in the DVD - label matched the cover - and were treated to the hated purple Barney!
:-) Unfortunatly I don't recall off the top of my head which one it was - funny as hell though!
I laughed my ass off when they called me up bitching and insisted on getting the DVD back. I can hardly wait for someone to ask to borrow it
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All the released copies are not from a digital source, they are all telesyncs, and 1 or 2 cams (that were released first). Just check any/all of the release sites on the net, and you'll see.
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Ok, I haven't downloaded the matrix myself, but from what I've seen on forums and such there is no "high quality" copy out there.
I went and saw it opening night. The movie was great, but why the hell would I want to download it? Next thing we know imax will be blaming piracy for lower then expected sales on matrix tickets.
In some respects a clampdown is going to be good for all the security/privacy buffs out there. Already we have programs like freenet and peerguardian. So far few people have had a motivation to use things like encryption. Well, now they will. The downside of this is that its going to make terrorists and other criminals harder to track. Usually most people are pretty shortsighted and fail to see the full consequences of their actions until after the fact. Then some other special interest group comes up with another "solution" which hurts everyone else except themselves.
Its just too bad that the RIAA and MPAA are lieing through their teeth. They are just using "piracy" to get more laws passed that are specifically in their own favor.
We all know their more motivated in increasing their profits, rather than by fear of loosing them. Of course every business wants to make a profit. The sad part is that by using the government to achieve their goals, they are hurting society as a whole.
Hell, I suspect there are very few people out there that downloaded the movie, that didn't actually see it in theaters. If they did download it, it was because they wanted to rewatch some cool part which they just weren't willing to fork over $7 or $10 to see twice.
That, if pirates couldn't download the movie illegally, the Matrix: Reloaded would have grossed that much more. Thus, industry executives have a legitimate need to enforce their intellectual property rights.
I fail to see what's controversial about this.
The rental industry is being killed by the fact that for the cost of a rental or two you can BUY the silly DVD! I buy several a month and haven't rented a video in at least a couple of years. At first they refused to stock DVD in my area and now tey have them but I could care less becasue I buy the ones I'm interested in at a local discount chain. Renting doesn't make fiscal sense for me and isn't terribly convenient for me....
P.S. I seldom watch movies in the theater either. I have seen Matrix Reloaded and XMen2 though. Both of them cost me MORE than what a DVD would've even at matinee prices! $12 entrance and the woman spends a ton at the consession - DVDs are WAY cheaper...
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The majority of their target are probably 20's-30's, working males. Many of them downloading it are probably only filling the gap between when they no longer want to see it in the theater and when they can get the DVD. I did the same thing for LotR:FotR and LotR:TTT. I downloaded the movie, but the second that dvd comes out I"m getting the extended edition. Why? I want to watch the movie now, but I want the actual DVD when I can get it. Will I download Matrix Reloaded? Maybe. Will I buy Animatrix, matrix:reloaded and matrix when they come out on dvd? Of course. (And yes I realize matrix is out, I want to get it w/ reloaded though.)
350 million in a couple of weeks is not "'debilitating' for the industry no matter how they slice the pie.
But hey, at least bittorrent is getting some advertising in.
I do security
Yes, I downloaded the move (I had it Friday morning, May 16 even while reading Cnet news stories where "no known copies were on the net")
Yes I have seen it in the cinema, yes, I've watched the download. Yes, I had a copy of the first Matrix on CD, I watched that and saw it in the cinema also, twice.
Yes, I bought the first DVD, yes, I'll buy the second DVD. What pattern do we see here? What do you suppose I'll do with the third Matrix?
Where's the big deal here? Huh?
thanks to the /. and bbc postings, downloading this bootleg will be in bullet-time.
Efren Belizario
headspeak.com
the original poster reminds me of an interesting point.
.NET act defines copyright infringement by sending like $1000 in stuff over a 6 month period. since a section of a movie is valueless, doesn't that make .torrent a gray area?
IANAL, but if a user is not sending the entire file, is she/he actually committing a crime by the net act?
The
intriguing, at the very least.
... please, no points today. RTFA et cetera.
One simple rule for its versus it's
I wonder if anybody at the MPAA has bothered to see "A Beautiful Mind"? If they did, they might realize that getting a piece of a really large pie is sometimes better than getting an entire small pie.
Now it truely will be concluded. And an appropriate title to boot!
Believe me, it's out there. And it's not a low quality shaky cam. Your kung-fu is weak.
The word of mouth for "Reloaded" has been mediocre at best, so not as many people are shelling out for multiple screenings. The result is a very "front-loaded" movie that's going to be hard-pressed to make $300 million. If "Revolutions" isn't a better film, I expect it won't hang around the #1 spot for long either. Ultimately, bootlegs or no, the best way to make a lot of money at the box office is to make a very good film that people tell their friends to see.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
The one advantage the movie industry has with piracy is the fact that to really enjoy a movie like The Matrix - you gotta go see it on the BIG screen with Dolby/THX at bone crushing volume
...
Try doing that at home without the wife ripping your head off
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
The MPAA and the RIAA keep blaming the people who are downloading this stuff, yet they never look at how this stuff gets out there in the first place.
Where can a high-quality version of this movie or any other movie come from than from the people who work with it in their own studios? That's where they need to concentrate their efforts if you ask me.
If it is available to download, then people are going to download it, including myself. But how did it get out there?
Think about it!!
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
The Matrix
The Matrix: Reloaded
The Matrix: Revolutions
That's $290 of mine they will have by the time all of this is over. Do I feel guilty for downloading the torrent so my roommate (who would never pay to see a movie on the big screen) can see it? Nope, sorry, don't feel any guilt at all.
A crappy DIVX or MPEG will prevent only a few potential customers from buying the DVD. People that want the DVD will get it (AND perhaps the DIVX/MPEG), people that wouldn't buy the DVD wouldn't matter anyway.
As long as we are allowed to freely send bits between each other on the internet, there is nothing anyone can do to stop P2P. Writing up big news stories will only fan the flames.
My god, $365M is amazing. I think any sympathy for them is gonna be difficult to find...
OK, you rail against the MPAA but pay twice to see shallow garbage like "The Matrix Reloaded"?
I didn't expect journalistic integrity but I'd like to see a longer-than-10-second attention span..
Sad when the worst cinematic disappointment of the year makes headlines for piracy. Or perhaps the article was proclaiming that you can finally go see this highly anticipated sequal without wasting your money, and thus not being totally disappointed when you come to discover that the movie SUCKS!
Matrix Reloaded deserves to be pirated.
...for making a movie about Philosophy and then charging $9 to see it. No one with a philosophy degree can afford to pay $9.
-R
most of the crap that gets put out these days isnt even worth the price of a DVD-R to burn your priated copy onto. Dito for the sluge that gets sold as music, and they act like the only possible reason their sales are down is p2p?? Morons.
-jon
Centropy version is damn good. No heads, voices, etc. True TSync, hi SVCD quality. Almost as good as a screener. Not a thing to knock about it, though.
That one is probably the best of 5 or 6 versions available, of which i have watched 2 others (saw apm and esoteric versions as well).
The funniest thing was reading the article (http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:ndMnHLKK9rAJ :www.silicon.com/news/500019/1/4168.html%3Fet%3Dse arch+have+seen+files+named+Temple+said+articulated +that+MPAA+seen+a+file+on+the+internet+that+actual ly+sequel&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) stating that no real copies of Matrix were online, while I was downloading my 2nd complete, working copy. heh
Anyone saying that "I can't imagine any Matrix fans..." obviously hasn't seen the releases that are available.
-dave-
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The pig browse. With Google. Sigh is to the chicken. Chicken is fool. Giggle. The DailyWTF giggle.
But seriously.... With movies as epic and entertaining as the Matrix trilogy, LoTR... etc, watching a cam or TS is just not an option. (At least the first time around).
The experience of watching a movie on the big screen just can't be compared to a digital cam mounted in a movie theatre. (And watching my drunken friend fall on some girl in the middle of the movie adds a special something. heh.)
Id also like to point out that, in this case, the movie has pulled in well over 300 MILLION dollars. The second 2 movies were reportedly made for 300 Million. That means that Revolutions is paid for. Any money from that movie, unless im missing something, would be considered profit.
If it has anywhere near the success of Reloaded.... Warner Bros will not be hurting.
You just have to realize, there is no good TS
Thank you, slashdotters. I wasn't aware of this. There's even a gentoo ebuild for it...
/me is compiling now.
# emerge bittorrent
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
Everyone is trying to figure out the recipe for the OrgAsMo Cake.
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
Seems genuine from here, but then I'm still downloading.
Very funny. I have one. "College student sued for having copy of 'The Matrix Reloaded' on his computer. When asked for his take on the ordeal, he replied 'Copyright violation? Piracy? I thought this
''Internet'' thing was a subscription to a music/movie download service. I mean, what am paying these monthly fees and being forced to look at all the ads for anyhow?"
I can't afford a sig!
And hey, don't let age be a factor in bringing that family. Got an infant!? Grab an extra diaper or two and bring 'em right in with you! After all, what infant wouldn't love special effects blasting at 1000 db with flashing explosions lighting up the room. They were absolutely screaming with joy!
I doubt it. it will be on every street corner by now. I live in london and u can get pirate dvds any where. Dudes just set up stalls on the side of the road in a shopping area or come into pubs selling them. Might have to get my self a copy.
-- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
...if they'd put the thing up for grabs themselves to whoever was willing to pay, say 5 bucks for the download. People like myself who really want to see this movie will still be headed to the cinemas.
It's been said, but why not say it with an example.
The rental industry is dying because they're greedy bastards.
Unless you're fast on the trigger a new release costs $7.80 to rent.
Yet I can buy the thing for $15.99.
Or I can get it from Pay Per View for $3.99.
I can't think of a lot of reasons to rent at most stores anymore. Fortunately, one very smart local store only charges $1 per day to rent movies, and, of course, they're doing better than ever.
I've seen it twice, and I'll be likely to shell out my $8.50 - $13.50 (depending on theater and day) atleast once more to go see it gain, and then I'll download it, and then most likely watch it again.
Most people who are probably downloading the Matrix have probably allready seen it ATLEAST once in theaters allready, if not more.
So what? There doesn't need to be a company behind it in order to assign blame. It would be handy if they wanted to sue somebody though. But with websites like www.torrentfiles.com having banner-ads, it would be easy for the movie company's lawyer to argue that they're promoting and profiting from piracy, and have them shut down. Then it's on to the next site.
Help me out please. Post anonymously if you want to avoid being moderated down. Thank you vary much.
Always take gross points. Net's for chumps.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
While not the one mentioned in the article, the APM telesync (1.2 GB) is supposedly one of the higest quality ones released to date.
You may want to check it out.
Help me out please. Post anonymously if you want to avoid being moderated down. Thank you vary much!!!
Every Matrix fan will go and see the movie and/or wait for it on DVD. The pirated copy basically allows someone to preview it to be sure it's not a piece of crap (which I'm sure it isn't), so I wouldn't get my knickers in a knot over this.
The only dilemma I run into is whether to pull it off P2P or hacked DirecTV PPV. It's a tough call: should I "steal" from Blockbuster or from Rupert Murdoch?
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
Shut up!
None of those are digital copys, only DTS but i got the REAL PROPER and its quite good quality.
ESOTERiC Release
REAL PROPER-APM Release
Centropy SVCD Release
Daduck-sn Release
The BBC has claimed that the Matrix is a hollywood hoax perpetrated by... oh wait, never mind.
In an update to a previous story it is now reported that Matrix: Reloaded P2P downloads account for 10% of all net traffic. The MPAA is mobilizing in conjuntion with major ISPs like MSN and AOL to ensure that this does not happen in the future. Meanwhile in the real world energy production rates have increased 31% as millions of humans experience increased amphetimine levels. "The success of the simulation known as 'Trinity' on males specimens ages 14-26 has been remarkable", notes Analyst #31425. The Central Division for Human Stimulation is anticipating similar results later this year when they release the next installment of this package.
like g-a-r-y, only different
I bought a copy of the movie on DVD in Kuwait for 7 dollars (thats 2.12 Kuwati Dinars) the day it came out. So don't give me guff about it only being on VHS and in poor quality...
Thanks BBC and Slashdot! As soon as this was posted I googled for "bittorrent matrix reloaded" and found the torrent immediately. Good thing there was this story, or I never would have thought to look for it.
I find the great thing about bittorrent is that there's a lot of great stuff (TV, movies) out there to download and you don't need to be a member of the scene to get it.
I find the bad thing about it is that sometimes you have to pretend it's 1997 and you're using a 28.8 modem to download the files. (Even with uploads enabled and shaped.)
... to know it wasn't worth throwing money at. It may have been a wildly successful film, but I won't be contributing towards it.
Is Neo a program running in some sort of meta Matrix, along with Zion etc? Well, get this -- I don't care! The characters are shallow enough for me not to bat an eyelid if they all get wiped out, and the storyline's convoluted and, frankly, boring enough for me to not be drooling over the next movie.
Endless "woo-we-can-slow-the-camera-down!!!11!1111" special effects do not impress me enough to put up with an otherwise laughable movie.
I think maybe I'm just spoiled by books. Anyone fancy making a handful of movies based around Nightsdawn? Revelation Space? Slant? Fallen Dragon? Well, don't bother; I don't think anyone in a position to do such a thing has the skill to do it properly.
*sulks*
The Matrix Reloaded (just one link)
Hey, it worked for me. I'm now getting a 220k download speed.
Thanks, Slashdot!
Biffnix
Don't Die Wondering
after watching the Matrix in the theatre here in Saint Petersburg, Russia, imagine my surprise that upon taking the metro home, i saw a metro vender selling the mpeg4 CD for $2. full color cover and everything.
as soon as i got home, it was already available on our apartment network. sheesh!
Let's see, the movie has been out for what 2 weeks(?), and it has already cleared production costs of BOTH movies, the third film hasn't even been released and it is already paid for by the second film. They are 65 million dollars in the black, something most companies today are having very much trouble doing (thanks Arthur-Anderson and Enron!)
.torrent file gets slashdotted, and if the people downloading make sure they have a 1:1 ratio of uploaded megs to downloaded megs, then the torrent will stay alive, and be extremely fast. The few problems I have with BitTorrent is the fact that a Slashdotting(or DDoS attack) does it good, but also if the file isn't popular it takes forever to download, and in my opinion this is sort of because BitTorrent doesn't have a nice GUI that allows myself, a W2k user, to serve various files whenever I want. Let's say I downloaded this movie, or the RedHat .iso's, The easiest way to serve these files is to redownload them, unlike KazaaLite, I can serve certain files whenever I want.
Second thing on my mind is BitTorrent, I haven't tried downloading it, but I have to admit if the
When BitTorrent crosses that final threshold, then it will be extremely successful, at the moment it is definitely in my books a genius solution to a complicated problem.
If what you are reading sounds funny, or sarcastic, lame, or stupid
it is because it is supposed to be. just laugh
People are downloading it just because they can. They aren't really using it as a replacement to seeing it in the theater. Those people that do had no intention of seeing it in the first place. They are losing no money off people downloading this. The quality of the download is horrible too. It'll be on DVD come November just in time for the final one anyways.
This is not a troll for flames, but wouldn't movie theatres be prime candidates DRM-based media distribution?
I believe that a fairly rigid agreement exists between the film distributor and the various theatres regarding the procurement, showing, and return (or destruction) of these movies. I imagine that such an agreement would be in place to protect the property of the distributor (one-sided, to be sure).
The article discusses a pirate copy made from "film print [...] with surround sound" So, either Matrix:RL was distributed as Digital-only, or it was shipped in the can, and the Digital Surround sound is on the firm. In either case, there is still an amount of digital data being pushed around; enough that DRM could be put in place.
Such DRM could be used to control presentation of the movie; the media would be 'keyed' to each individual theatre (and I'm sure this would be a logistical hassle, but that's an aside). The movie (digital audio or full presentation) could be 'time-locked'. Also, the media projectors would not be allowed to copy the movie to another type of media; only project it.
Also, since some DRM and digital information is being provided, would it not be possible to introduce some 'watermarking' so that the original media holder could be tracked?
(This is my first post to slashdot, so please forgive any transgressions on my part)
Enough with the spelling nazi bullshit. Why not try to, I don't know, further the discussion instead of pointing out typo's and spelling errors (which I will admit I made more than a few in the original post).
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Yes I'll and ill are not the same thing, but please.
I guess if you don't have any original ideas then being a spelling nazi or fr0st p1st idiot is about the only thing you can do on
---- The real Slashdot is still here. You just have to browse at -1 to read the comments.
Conclusion -- neither version is a "rip", and neither has "incredible" quality.
I wish i had downloaded Matrix Shitloaded instead of spending 9 bucks at the box office and another 5 on coke and popcorn just to see a shitty movie. Mindnumbing dialogues, fighting szenes that Bruce Lee already had made better, endless repetition of the same digital effects... and on top, the "To be continued" non-ending. Fuck you, i'm gonna download that piece of shit so that the makers have some more reason to whine about lost sales.
First of all, a quote like "the copy available using BitTorrent" is just inane, kinda like saying the copy available using FTP or HTTP (which if you know anything about the warez scene, everything is available on private FTPs far before it was publicly available on BitTorrent or anything else).
Second, their said release does not exist. Simple rule of thumb, if it's not listed on vcdquality or nforce, it doesn't exist. And neither list this "film print" version, only the normal "hidden videcamera" ones.
"No publicity is bad publicity." ... and some folks still don't know it ...
The quality of the download was poor which in my experience is unusual because screeners are so prevalent (did they keep a tight wrap on screeners for this one?)
The bottom line is the movie its self was terrible, I am glad I downloaded it and didn't see it in the theaters 8$'s for this schlock would've been an insult.
And boy, are my fingers tired!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
If the movie was leaked from a film or digital source, then it seems to me that the MPAA needs to settle down and take care of itself before they start wagging fingers at everyone else.
How do movies get leaked? Who has access to them? What potential fines/penalties/criminal charges can and should be levied aginast people who actually have physical access to prints or digital copies?
If it was a digital copy leak... how was it done? If it was copied over a network, why wasn't it secured? Why wasn't in ecncrypted to prevent this in the first place?
Seems to me that the MPAA has much bigger problems than a few people who want to copy semi-decent quality rips of their products to watch on little tiny desktop monitors after they've already gone to see it in the theatres and helped make the movie a huge sucess.
It doesn't matter if there's a spoon or not.
Actualy I got a VCD copy of the first Matrix from a friend at a LAN party a few weeks after it came out. Of course, I'd already seen it in the theater about 3 times before then, but I just wanted to be able to see it again on the cheap. (of course, one of the times in the theater I got in with a theater employee so it was free... hrm, I wonder if the MPAA would try to sue over that)
The copy was off of a cam but it wasn't the final release of the movie. All of the music was missing and a few scenes were gone. The whole bar scene was pretty strange without the rob zombie playing. You could hear footsteps and glasses clinking.
Anyone else ever see that file?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Humans Blamed for Piracy - MPAA Lobbies for their Extermination
Posted by CmdrTaco on 2003-05-27 15:32
Damnit, too late.
When come back, bring pie!
who downloaded it just to get screenshots of Trinity's ass?
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing. -- Thomas Jefferson
I thought the anti-Microsoft sentiment was bad, but not this bad. The law is called the "NET Act", not the ".NET Act".
Forget the whales - save the babies.
the main problem with enforcing the law is that, while it is relatively easy to track down the location of a computer, it is much harder to prove who is responsible for downloading copyrighted material, if the computer happens to be accessible by multiple people.
Can anyone out there recommend when one to download. I'm downloading the DaDuck DiVX version right now (only around 700MB total file size), so I'm probably not getting the best verion available.
if its not on P2P its on usenet or IRC, big deal. if i wanted a headline about pirated movies premiering on the net, i will read wired. this is stupid...
First time, I saw it in sneak preview (one hour before the pre-premiere began, at half the price). The German dubbed version. They somehow got the voices... wrong. Really, Morpheus sounds like a 3 year old.
Tonight, I'm gonna see it OV. All this in spite of the movie being a little sub-standard. It's rather cool, but also terribly overloaded with effects.
Did I mention that I'll probably buy the DVD? And did I mention that I'll probably rip the DVD because I can't afford a second player at the moment?
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
When I buy a CD or movie, the bulk of what I feel I'm paying for is quality of the product and the fact that I like the production and want to support the artist(s) that produced it. I personally am out there sampling stuff because I'm board. Being a person who hates spending money, I can admit that I've bought 2 CDs and a half dozen DVDs (and a 'to buy' list 7 DVDs long) because of p2p. Knowing myself, I can honastly say that I would not have bought a single CD, and maybe only one or two DVDs, nevermind the computer to watch/listen to them on...
Say what you want about P2P programs and movie leeching. One of the most notable effects for me was that we don't have to wait half a year anymore in the rest of the world before we get to see a good movie!
The best example is Star Wars I. When this movie was released there were actually people in Europe that FLEW OVER TO THE USA to watch that movie. Can you believe the insanity?
That was also the movie that really rocked the internet for being on the internet _before_ it was released officially.
I downloaded SW1 two days after the USA release and watched it in the public computer room at my university where I drew a huge crowd. Including 2 guys who _had_ tickets already to fly over. (I thought SW1 sucked though. I'm happy I didn't spend money on tickets)
I'm pretty happy P2P movie leeching happened so that I was able to see LOTR in the theater right away. I did buy tickets for that one, and enjoyed it a lot.
I haven't downloaded the new Matrix film nor did I get it on the net. I'm pretty sure the internet version is of low quality so that doesn't tempt me too much. I don't have the need to go to the theater because I think it's probably going to be pretty mediocre if you don't count the fighting scene, so I'll just wait for a DVD release at the movie rental.
Um... how about those that:
a) Like the crowd experience. Funny movies are cooler when you have a whole theatre cracking up.
b) Aren't pampered or rich enough to have a home theatre
c) Prefer to see the movie when it comes out, rather than having it spoiled by all your friends talking about it so that you know half the story by the time it's out on DVD.
An eye candy movie is worth seeing big screen and will be untill home equipment can telepathically convince you that you are looking at a 100 foot wide screen and listening to a small army of speakers. Then the Matrix really will have you. In the mean time, go to a matinee, the one I saw cost $4.50. I would have gone to see it even if the Wolchoski brothers had mailed me a DVD. Those movies that are not worth going to see big screen, I'll just rent. If the local video store does not have it, then I'll consider making my computer spend 3 hours downloading it, but I've usually got better things to do.
Advertisments on TV, the Radio, in the sky and on the walls, but never in our dreams.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
That makes as much sense as "Bitorrent Blamed for Matrix2 Downloads".
The people responsible for piracy are the people who download the pirated copies.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Reasons why buying a bootleg of a movie is no substitute for seeing it in the pictures:
Screen sizes. The biggest computer monitor I've ever seen was square on half a metre. So the screen measured 400 * 300mm., but at a 16:9 aspect ratio you can only use 400 * 225mm. Effective diagonal size = 459mm. Mine at home is only 320 * 240mm., 16:9 area 320 * 180mm., giving an effective diagonal of 367mm. There are TV sets, usually 16:9, in the 800mm. class; these are modern enough to have SCART [Peritel] input and so probably would work with a modern graphics card with video out. I've never actually measured a cinema screen, but it is safe to say they would be measured in metres.
Sound. Computer speakers are notoriously poor, because otherwise they would reveal the imperfections in most cheap sound cards, outrageous claims made regarding output power notwithstanding. 2kW requires the best part of 10 amps at 230V. 'Nuff said.
People. Seeing a film in the cinema is a social occasion. There is no substitute! You get to do all sorts of cool stuff when you aren't at home - like peeing in communal toilets, smuggling food and beer past security, sneaking a crafty fag in a no-smoking area, &c.
Cheap DivX CDs aren't going to hurt Hollywood's pockets any more than cheap audio CDs hurt Michael Eavis's pockets.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
If they really wanted to cut down on piracy, all they would have to do is offer zero-day official DVD's - they could have just the movie with no extras for $5. Most people would probably buy that to get a great copy, and also go to the theater as well for the experience...
They can then offer the DVD later with all the extras, and most people would buy that too. At least for movies like the Matrix... it would probably only be a good plan for mega-movies and not smaller stuff.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Matrix: Total Gross: $171,479,930
Matrix Reloaded: Total as of May. 26, 2003: $209,505,000 (Estimate)
Overseas Gross (as of 5/25): $154 million / 8,924 screens / 62 markets
-T
You're a brave man/woman posting that here... I agree with you, but you'd better duck the flames.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
ok...heres the plot of matrix 3 (next version due out next year) :
neo goes into coma in the end of matrix 2 (the current one). trinity takes over and goes into the matrix to explore (remember she was reborn and has the same abilities as neo) after being rescued by another ship. eventually our two heroes figure out that they havent actually woken up but their current lifestyle is also part of the matrix along with zion (remember how zion keeps getting recreated according to the architect? yup..thats it). eventually neo + trinity figure out how to hack the core OS of the matrix and everyone lives happily ever after...or something. ends not fleshed out fully yet...wait for the writers.
Every time I log on to America's Army, There, any MMORPG, or even Slashdot, I'd say that I'm entering an alternate Matrix. If only I could disconnect from "reality" as easily as I can from slashdot. (go go gadget meditation!)
The rental industry is getting killed by movie piracy online. If you're a fan of a film, you'll go to the theatre to see it.
But all those so-so films that you tell yourself "I'll wait and rent it", can now be downloaded free-as-in-hobo at your leisure.
And if they keep churning out shit like Pearl Harbor, how is that a bad thing? Would you feel good about having paid to see that garbage? No, you'd feel ripped off...but ever try to get your money back from the movie industry after being subjected to a colossal rip-off? Ha! Now even though a significant portion of their business is based on screwing their customers they have the temerity to complain if they're on the receiving end??? I say turnabout is fair play! Mind you, I won't even allow a colossal turd like Pearl Harbor to occupy valuable space on my hard drive! Make quality, entertaining movies and I'll be happy to pay to see them a multitude of times. Try to screw me and expect to get some of the same in return.
You're using her as bait, Master!
I've read through most of the posts up here, and while most or either (a) jokes about the Matrix or (b) actually somewhat reasonable in their tone, a percentage, as always are (c) attempts to justify or moralize piracy. This always bugs me to no end, and now I believe I finally have a real logical argument to make against piracy without resorting to the simplistic "it's just wrong" argument...
What you are stealing from a movie company, record label or software developer is a SERVICE that you otherwise would have paid for, not a tangible product, not intellectual property, not potential income, but simply a service.
By way of example, let's say you get a copy of Photoshop. Sure, it's $699 or whatever it goes for today and you wouldn't have bought it anyway. Fine, no argument about lost income then, Adobe can't claim a loss on something they wouldn't have gotten in the first place.
However, you now have the service of that program with no compensation to the author. It's not so much the copy of the program being a problem, but the fact that you aren't paying for the service it provides.
As an admittedly contrived analogy, let's say you grab a guy off the street and make him mow your lawn at gunpoint. You are benefiting from his service without conpensating him. Had you not held the gun to your head, you would have had to compensate him for providing the service. While I admit there is nothing analogous to a gun when copying software or a movie, the argument still holds.
What service does a movie provide? Well, assuming it's not an utter piece of crap, entertainment is of course the answer. Therefore, to get a copy of the Matrix and watch it and enjoy it is deriving benefit of the service that movie provides without compensating those that should be compensated for creating it.
THIS is why piracy is wrong. No analogies to stealing a car, no arguments about lost potential profits, nothing like that. Simply put, a service is being stolen, and that is wrong.
Since this is Slashdot, and everything has to have a Microsoft spin one way or another, let me point out that this is the reason that Microsoft is pushing for a service-based model of the world. If you use Word for an hour, you are making use of the services the program provides for that timeframe. Hence, you are in essence renting it. In fact, to force people to purchase the software as we do today is actually worse for us as consumers in many ways. If you rent a car for a week but only drive it for two hours on Monday, your still paying for that entire week whether you used the car or not. This happens with software too. Microsoft has come up with some essnetially arbitrary value and assigned it to their software. You pay that amount and use it as much as you want. You might think you make out good because you use the software so much that the price seems good, but you also might use it so little that when calculated your paying on the order of $50 an hour or something (I'm pulling numbers out of my ass to illustrate the point, they may or may not be remotely accurate).
Microsoft however recognizes the essential fact that what they are selling is not a tangible product, but the service of a piece of software. This is also why you license software rather than purchase it outright incidentally. By offering software as a service, as the marketing monkeys have told us they want to do, they are in essence charging us for the real thing we are purchasing from them, the service, rather than a convenient representation of that (the software itself in purchaseable form). We will pay for the exact amount of that product we use, not some arbitrary amount. Note that I'm not saying I'm for this, mearly that it is a more accurate way of charging people and in effect is charging for what is actually being purchased, which is not really the case today.
If a pion (n-) collides with a proton in the woods & noone is there to hear it, does lamdba decay into the source pa
I guess you need to go out and destroy the Internet, then, huh?
What's this Submit thingy do?
Much like the Metallica VS. Napster debate, I think using a success story that moves millions no matter what the "pirate" rate is a bad move to gain the publics sympathy.
On the other end of the spectrum with the little guy "piracy" is more of a promotion than anything also. (Getting their name out there).
I think the people who have a legitimate beef would be the artist that sells 25K records, or a movie that opens to a week at $500,000....Those are the people (if they offer a quality product) that are going to be hurt by Joe and Jane (Pirate).
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
'The Matrix' portrays as heroes those who ignore law enforcement, especially with respect to computer crime. The owners should be thrilled that people are practising the Matrix ethos in real life, instead of getting all Agent Smith about it.
But make the zero-day DVDs only availible to those that have tickets, say, you can buy them after watching the movie, at the counter, by handing over your ticket and $5 bucks or whatever. I know if I found a movie very cool, I would certainly buy a copy. Probably the second 'full-featured' DVD as well.
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..trim the sails and roam the sea!
(This is just ridicoulus)
That's just the suspend mode. Tap your Zaurus Wrench Icon, goto the power and light utility and then press the upbuton on the darken and suspend mode to 3 x 3600 seconds to get 3 hours of bright viewing. Oh yeah, you might also want a compact flash wireless card to remote mount the storage and have your Zaurus plugged into the wall so the battery does not die.
Other than that, Yep, just like the theater! I really felt like I was there. It's impossible, but it set me free. I'm unplugged, so to speak.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
hmm lets see if i kill the tracker or it goes down ((ri|mp)aa slashdotting etc) you cant get the file
lets have a go with the matrix , oh look connection refused
doesnt sound very decentralised to me
ok let me try again, oh wait i have to wait now for it to hammer my drive as BT scans the entire 1.2gig file !, ok lets sit back and wait while it cooks up my drive, ok 10min later connection refused again hurrah what a highly optimised piece of shit
im sorry but this is probably one of the worst p2p applications i have ever used, i cannot believe that anyone could think its any good, all te other p2p applications have the same features except they work (md5 hashs,swarming,bandwidth management etc)
oh well at least my trashbin will like it
It definitely wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Thank God I'm using Mozilla and could block popups from the site.
You rotten son of a bitch. Now I'll be the third person in the company to be reamed out for "Inappropriate Internet use"
You miserable SOB.
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Do you have any figures to show that rentals are being hurt because of movie downloads?
How do you know they aren't being hurt by cheap DVD sales? WB pushed cheaper DVDs specifically to bite back at Blockbuster.
Where did this number come from? Matrix2 has made $209 Million, not $365 Million. (as of May 26, 2003)
what is this, the new government-run slashdot?
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Going for $18.00 at Amazon.com, or $22.50 including the CD soundtrack.
so thats where the machines get all the power from, methane! makes you wonder why they didnt go for cows though...
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
SuprNova Is Apparently offline now....we'll see how long it takes for them to get back up. They apparently shutdown every few weeks whenever a BT articles comes up on /.
Hmmm. I wonder if the industry's sudden interest in BitTorrent has anything to do with Matrix Reloaded not making as much as the studios hoped.
Not to be overly cynical or anything, but I imagine that some of the studio flacks who promised their bosses that this was the next Spider Man are sweating through their Hugo Boss. But luckily, they've got a perfect way to deflect criticism; blame the Internet bogeyman that's destroying copyrights! Yeah, we didn't overhype this movie to the world (and, more importantly, our investors)! It was, uh, (checks list of P2P networks) BitTorrent!
Lawyer - This is about BitTorrent.
Pirates - You are here because The Matrix is about to be downloaded. Its every fight scene, all of its entirely pretentious dialogue.
Lawyer - Bullshit.
Pirates - Cluelessness is the most predictable of all corporate responses. But, rest assured, we have many ways to pirate and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
http://www.talknerdy.org
You are wasting your time downloading a pirated movie. Besides... who would like to watch a movie like Matrix on anything less than a gaint screen ?
I'm suprised the movie industry isn't trying to put all sorts of viruses on it or whatever. Or find the people who pirate it and stick little spiders into their navels.
Still, I think a lot of the people who pirate it have also seen it on the big screen... Because, well, the movie leaves a lot of questions unanswered, which I need to see it at least 5-6 more times to fully catch (plus, all the little things), so yeah, I could see where both pirating it and seeing is a real possibility.
I think your idea is the best possible way to do it - then the theaters would still get a lot of traffic, and some small cut from the DVD's sold so it would not be so threatening to them. Not only that, but under your plan it's a lot more practical to sell DVD's for just about any movie and not just blockbusters as it's an impulse purchase at that point and getting even more money from people going to the theater than just the cost of the ticket.
Ok, the plan is solid - how long before "they" realize it's the thing to do?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Let's see how many linux pirates there are...
Any takers? Who has the torrent for crossover office?
I think the MPAA is going after it. I am down to 3k a sec.
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
Conspiracy theory anyone? The MPAA makes a high quality rip of Reloaded, sticks it on BitTorrent, bitches about the "piracy" to the media, then sits back and watch their logs for IPs of all the "thieves". Nail a bunch of them with lawsuits and now everyone's afraid to download from BitTorrent.
do not read this line twice.
Some of the Suprnova.org kiddies are wanting to try to DDoS slashdot. Morons don't have a clue. Its like their entire life was taken from them today. Losing suprnova.org is worth it for the comedy value its generating.
...that there is a strong correllation between the number of downloads and the number of dollars. Doesn't this hold true for all movies?
For me, seeing a small copy of the movie simply gets me excited to see it in the theatre again. I don't think there are many people who would watch it on their computer instead of going to the theater.
Here's a question: could this be a pathway to video on demand services? Ok, you have to do something to prevent the pay stuff distributing over the free channel, but free stuff with banner/footer ads could be distributed this way, and perhaps some encryption system could be developed to prevent most of the piracy of other things.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Cars blamed for drunk driving deaths
Guns blamed for armed robbery
Airport security blamed for terrorism
Music blamed for school shootings
McDonald's blamed for fat people
I could go on...
Look on Bitzi (a searchable P2P index).
I noticed that the movie was available a week before the official release, but at the time I was only looking for the soundtrack (which I have since purchased after listening to).
if they didn't have that mind boggling end scene, people wouldn't have to download it to see it 9 times to understand it
Runnin' On Empty
Seems to me, all you have to do is go after the tracker server listed in the .torrent URL. The tracker server is the centralized server that all hosts using a .torrent file must connect to in order to find the end-content.
.torrent files at suprnova:r g:6969/anno unce7:comment76:Matrix Reloaded - single CD - DivX Telesync - 576 x 252 - very good quality!13:creation datei1053692711e4:infod5:filesld6:lengthi10313728e 4:pathl29:Matrix.Revolutions.Teaser.avieed6:length i1542e4:pathl38:The.Matrix.Reloaded.DivX.TS-DaDuck .NFOeed6:lengthi8943616e4:pathl45:The.Matrix.Reloa ded.DivX.TS-DaDuck.Sample.avieed6:lengthi711053312 e4:pathl38:The.Matrix.Reloaded.DivX.TS-DaDuck.avie ee4:name34:The.Matrix.Reloaded.DivX.TS-DaDuck12:pi ece lengthi524288e6:pieces27860:
Here is a sample from one of the Matrix 2
d8:announce40:http://suprnova.dyndns.o
Seems to me you could also go after dyndns.org with a court order to have them to give you control of the suprnova account. Of course, their AUP forbids 'illegal' use of dyndns.org accounts:
12. MEMBER CONDUCT
The Member is solely responsible for the contents of his/her usage of the Service. The Member's use of the Service is subject to all applicable local, state, federal, and international laws and regulations. The Member agrees: (1) to comply with all local, state, and federal laws regarding the transmission of technical data exported from the United States through the service; (2) not to use the Service for illegal purposes;
In fact, looks like someone already got to dyndns.org or perhaps the suprnova account owner didn't want any trouble or their IP address revealed:
suprnova.dyndns.org. 14396 IN A 127.0.0.1
"The rental industry is getting killed by movie piracy online."
Slashdot users vastly over-estimate their own importance. Funny how people dismiss the overstated piracy figures of the MPAA until it begins to feed their egos.
Ten lonely guys gathered in a dorm room don't constitute any sort of problem for anyone but themselves.
Years ago everyone was fretting about the dubbing of VHS rental tapes. In the end, it didn't matter.
You get what you pay for, even if it's a digitally perfect rip-off.
--Richard
I saw a bootleg this weekend that included some nice shots of the theater while the bootlegger was getting settled in. Nothing like big, bright exit signs at each side of your screen to remind you that you are watching a low quality bootleg.
Maybe GOBBLES got another contract!
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
Get a clue! bittorrent is not a privacy protecting lawless-idiot hiding p2p client. it is meant for big LEGAL downloads.
In order for bittorrent to work someone has to run a tracker. that is the centralization point. it is the single server on the net making the download possible by coordinating the peers for that download.
Legal entities take note: if you're going to sue someone first, sue the tracker operator(s)! Once that is said and done its EASY to simply ask any tracker for a list of peers serving the content to the world. Those are your next obvious targets.
bittorrent as an application is no different than running a simple web server hosting the content from a legal standpoint. it just saves on hosting bandwidth problems by using the downloading peers as a coordinated distributed cache during times of high load.
From what I understand, downloading isn't the crime; sharing is. Then again, it's criminal to use a stolen car stereo even if you bought it legitimately. Would someone like to point me to or explain the laws that clarify the criminal aspects of downloading and sharing copyrighted content (specifically movies in this case)?
A twin film source telecine, taken from at least two copies of the film to evade countermeasures, probably destined for a 1 or 2 CD XviD rip, is strongly rumoured to exist, but is still undergoing processing and encoding; the group in question is not hurrying, seeing as a good quality telesync (ctp) is already out.
Just a rumour at the moment though. I'll believe it when I'm watching it.
Is there such a site for BT? I want to test this network out but Ive only been able to find scattered links.
my buddy has it and I looked at it...after scolding him for downloading it.....and you can clearly tell that it was an off screen copy....you can not only see the EXIT sign on the sides of the screen at the start but the camera moves 2 or 3 times during the film.
the camera was very stable after the begining so I assume it was on a tripod...probably some crooked Theater manager that turned the film on after everyone was gone and took the time needed to tape it.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
That is Centropy. That is an analogue telesync done properly, with time, care and attention instead of hurrying to get it out the door like the other groups (although if you look very carefully, and measure, there is a slight angle - it's almost perfection though). ESO were there first, but Centropy are the ones who won't get nuked until the DVD screener (or telecine?) arrives.
This is true. How much money is wasted on movies that nobody sees? I am sure you can download copies of truly bad movies on the internet, yet they aren't bitching about those. You don't see a news story that "Little Nicky" is available on P2P. Actually, that would be MORE of a reasonable arguement, that this movie didn't make any money because it was available for download on the internet. (we know it isn't true, in this case, the at least the argument would make sense.)
But instead, they make the argument against movies that make the MOST money. The Matrix Reloaded had the highest gross opening weekend EVER for an R rated movie. Yet they are bitching that piracy is killing them. The last time I heard a story about how piracy was killing the movie industry was when this little unheard of film called Spider-Man came out. Or was it that other movie that lost millions of dollars called "Lord of the Rings something something"
Doesn't anyone else see the irony here? They are complaining that piracy is ruining their business yet they are still breaking box-office records.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
ERROR (10:42 AM) -
Problem connecting to tracker - (10061, 'Connection Refused')
Seems that torrent can be slashdotted after all
Learn English, to speak, you must!
While it may or may not be morally wrong to download copyrighted data (wrong, IMHO), it still doesn't make the label of "theft" accurate. No physical goods have been stolen, so it can't be "theft" in a legal sense.
What sickens me is that They've made this sort of thing, a civil matter, into a criminal matter. That's morally wrong.
I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this day holds for each and every one of us...the very chance to download the matrix. When I see thousands of us here, on slashdot, and a program that thrives on distributed downloading, I do not see a coincidence.
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This, my friend, is precisely what needs to happen.
Thankfully, as a member of "teh furrie fandum," I am (apparently) a non-human. Whew! Who says thinking Faline's cute isn't a survival trait?
Sounds a bit like big media has made a strategic decision to criticise file sharing whenever their revenues don't meet initial estimates. Works nicely to cover their own overblown estimates and lays the groundwork for more federal intelectual property laws. While in reality the file trading has a negligable effect on their revenues and really they are just seeking legal controls on the medium which will maintain the high equipment costs that will keep the barriers to entry high for small movie makers. This is restraint of competition at it's simplest and most underhanded.
... "I'm at the movies" ... "Watching matrix reloaded"... "yup"... "right"... "uh huh" "do you think I can call you later?"... "oh okay" ... "yup" ... "alright" ... "I'll call you tonight, or maybe tomorrow" ... "bye" And that was the shorter of the two. Not to mention the man that seemed to have no understanding that his constant commentary might disturb those around him... We ended up moving only to suffer the constant questions of a confused 10 year old kid with his father, I can't blame the kid, but the father should have known better.
Also, if they are so concerned about the state of their art, why don't they focus on making the movie theatres enforce a modicum of civility. Last time I went to the movies (for the matrix reloaded) two people's cell phones rang and they answered them... they had conversations that went something like "hey"
A company can't charge $10 a pop for that kind of experience and then complain that they aren't getting all the money you deserve. You deserve what you get.
Well might as well blame FTP, HTTP, hell even SCP and SFTP as well. Jeez it's not like Bittorrent is the only place to get this stuff. Oh of course the two other biggies, newsgroups and IRC.
jeez.
I really don't understand the "Wanhh, the movie industry isn't giving me exactly what I want exactly how I want it, so I'm going to steal it since they're clearly ripping me off... yet I'm doing nothing wrong" mentality.
I actually help pirate movies and games, and I think any attempt to justify my actions is ridiculous. I know what I'm doing is wrong; I'm not foolish enough to pretend it isn't.
The movie industry has the right to produce crap and distribute it however they like. They have the right to charge you $100 a ticket. And guess what... even if they did, you STILL wouldn't have any right to sneak into a theater or pirate the movie. If you think they're charging too much, or they're taking too long to get the DVD to you.. tough shit. I know it's painful to hear, but you don't have any rights when it comes to movies.. unless you've already paid your money.
It's absurd: Someone makes a product you want, but you don't need. They don't want to sell it to you at the price you would like to pay for it.. and they don't want to give it to you (in DVD form, in this case) when you want to receive it. Too damn bad. It's THEIRS.. they can do with it whatever they please. If you have a problem with it, then don't support them... but it's never justifiable to steal something you merely WANT, simply because you can't legitimately obtain it in a manner that would please you.
That being said... I pirate some stuff because I want it quickly, and half of the stuff I seriously wouldn't buy even if I couldn't pirate it.. For the most part, I just enjoy collecting things. If someone makes a product that I think should be supported, I pay for it. I do not think, however, that what I'm doing is okay. I just acknowledge that I'm not the most morally upstanding person around. Piracy supporters: Stop fooling yourselves.
Selling direct to video stuff right in the theater also seems like a good plan - I wonder why there has not really been a combining of movie theaters with DVD sales? It seems like the most natural place to buy movies.
Disney got this exactly backwards with recent moves to release direct to video stuff in theaters first (Peter Pan 2 for instance). Instead they should have tried to push that stuff to people buying tickets for first-run stuff!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
me too!!
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pointing out a couple of inaccuracies. The matrix reloaded was on the internet 2 weeks before it came out in cinemas. Since when have you been able to download 1.4 gig in 3 hours on a normal broadband line? You can't just get the matrix reloaded on bitorrent, it's available on sharereactor and even KaZaA. Learned is spelt learnt. The executives were probably expecting it to be on the internet. The picture is not often jerky with poor sound quality, in fact I've never downloaded and movie that was jerky. The film in cinemas contains the trailer for the next matrix film reloaded also. The caption under the photo of Neo reads: The third film, The Matrix Revolutions, will open in November, which leads you to think the photo is that of the next film, when in fact it's a photo of the 2nd film, where Neo goes to see the Creator. Thanks for you time, sorry if it's a little messy :0
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
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Bit torrent has a few flaws that prevent it from being a "good" piracy tool. First, in order for it to work you need someone to host the torrent and you need a tracker.
If a service were to evolve from bittorrent that was like say kazaa, then the trackers would be targeted by the MPAA/RIAA. Not to mention although the bandwidth is greatly reduced, trackers DO take up a considerable amount of bandwidth for somebody. They must coordinate EVERY downloaded chunk of a torrent file exposing them to serious legal action.
Then there is the issue of the torrent link, which is without a doubt no better than having a link to the real file. You're not protected by using BitTorrent, the MPAA just hasn't started shutting sites down yet. RIAA probably doesn't have as much to worry about since the technology isn't well suited for sharing mp3's.
I paid my $13.50 to see it in the moviehouses but The Matrix Reloaded is rather cerebral. I d/l it (via WinMX) and watched it a few times more to get all the dialogue. I paid once and that's good enough.
I also use WinMX to preview some of the not-so-hyped movies to see if it's worth spending that much money to see it on the big screen. When movies were $5.00 and even $7.50 it was alright. I could justify it.
But now incl. taxes you have to spend $15.00! Some of these movies don't even rate $5.00 as a worthwhile use of my money.
I remember when actors and musicians were bards that had to perform for their dinner. Now the same people get millions of $$$. Some high-quality ones are worth the millions they have (maybe not 10s of millions but IMHO they do deserve 5-10 million OVER their careers, not for just one movie/album). Most don't deserve more than a few $100,000.
The argument could be posed that athletes earn millions a season and professional sports is considered entertainment. This is true but I can justify athletes getting piles of cash - they have to stay in the peak of health for their entire careers, keep a strict diet and put their bodies through (at times) extreme physical 'torture'.
Actors/Musicians just have to be able to survive their heavy-partying lifestyles. The only physical 'torture' is the posibility of overdose of drugs or booze. Sure you might say the psychological 'torture' of having to repeat a scene 15-40 times until a director says 'That 40th shot was good but I think we'll just use the 1st one...' but after the movie is complete or the album is finalized, it's done. 10-30 million dollars for a handful or two if months of mostly standing around waiting for the technical stuff to be set up, then do a small snippet of work, then added to make up 90 mins worth of film?
Allowing for re-shoots, 90 mins of finished flim takes maybe 15-20 hours of the actor/actress actually doing their job - acting. For this they get millions?? This is why I have to pay so much to see a freakin' movie?!?!?
Forget it! I'll d/l the movie and judge for myself if it's worth paying that much to see it on the big screen.
Case in point: Star Trek Nemesis. It's an even numbered ST so according to the rule it should have been a good one. The advertising was really eye-catching. This was supposed to be a dark, scarey Start Trek. The only reason why it was dark was because everything was filmed with shadows and dark colors! It reminded me so much of another hyped movie that kinda flopped I thought the director of Alien3 was doing this! Not to mention that Data wasn't able to create another Soong-type android let alone Starfleet but a clone from a mining planet can with no problems at all?!?!?
The amount of money these 'entertainers' are getting needs to be drastically reduced. That will never happen so the 'pirating' of movies and music will continue. Just like the 'war on video game crackers' for every one 'they' stop 5 more start up.
The GEEK shall inherit the earth...
Taken from one of the aforementioned Bittorrent repositories that apparently have an amazing rip of Reloaded:
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/. story was posted the D/L services provided by http://www.torrentfiles.com/ were taken down.
"Where did all the bittorrents GO?" I know this is the question in all of your minds. . . . well, blame the media. . . . BBC has reported a completely bogus story about the pirateing of Matrix Reloaded. .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2
This has caused alot of panic in the BT community. . . even though most of the story is just made up. . . and NO, there is no version of the Matrix Reloaded that is the quality that this story claims. . . so dont ask. . . We will stay online for as long as possible, everyone is keeping there heads low at the moment. . . . We hope the whole community can pull though. . . . wish us luck."
Apparently after the
The studios should not be worrying about lots of people downloading their films. The real thing they should be fearing is releasing films that no one downloads. That's when they've got a problem on their hands.
so which is the actual digital copy link? this is what i dont understand.
...will be dependent on it's ability to scale. It's already proven that it can scale unbelievably well for transferring files - something most Peer to Peer fall down on.
What is increasingly becoming a problem are DDOS attacks and extra traffic killing the trackers. I think in order for Bittorrent to be fully effective it will need to decentralize the tracking system. This could be done by round-robining dedicated trackers to share the load, or even by having the users themselves take part in it.
As it stands now, ever since Slashdot posted links to the favorite BT haunts, they've been slow, or non-functional.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
I just went to the site:
:(
http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~halm/offline.html
It looks like the MPAA came by and shat all over the project.
Where oh where can I find install links for Bit Torrent now?
... is your best entertainment value!
CDRW with the divx are phisically floating around the campus but... I've seen it @ the cinema last Friday (Italian launch), will go tomorrow to see the english speaking version and will most definitely grab a DVD when it comes out... Matrix on divx is like a steak fillet cooked in a microwave; a waste.
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
mmkay?
I haven't seen it up. Can't you at least post the link if you're going to tease us like this.
Really, I think a use of BT that would satisfy **AA and still generate revenue would be to post partial movies. Then you get to see if the movie sucks, and if it doesn't you'll probably want to see the rest (doesn't help on movies with suckish endings, but ah well)
I bought a SuperBit edition of a movie I really like. SuperBit editions are encoded at a higher bit-rate and therefore have less compression artifacts and therefore take up much more room on a DVD.
After watching the movie, I reflected that although the visual quality was great, I was a bit hungry for the additional materials that are usually on a movie's DVD, but SuperBit editions have none of those.
So even if I were able to get the full-quality rip of the Matrix to watch, I'd probably want the rest of it too, so much the more reason to buy the official DVD...
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
as long as there is ONE user out there transfering LEGAL stuff then the use is valid. There are tons of EXISTING laws about copyright infrignment, IP theft, and Child Porn, use the current statutes and stop making a tool illegal.
I am not trying to justify the people out there stealing, but just because a tool CAN be used to steal doesn't mean it should be illegal. There is no reasonable end to that line of thought....
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
The same Bruce Almighty that took the box office lead from the Matrix in it's second week? The same Matrix that saw a 60% drop in it's second week?
The tracker is down. Who knows if it'll be brought back up anytime soon. Thanks for posting it to Slashdot, you moron.
Many people point out how silly it is to say P2P is helping pirate the Matrix, but think about the other things we see.
Doom and GTA3 being blamed for violence.
TV being blamed for poor reading skills.
McDonalds coffee blaimed for legs not being a proper cup holder.
Is it really any shock, in a society that pushes the blame like this, that the MPAA and RIAA look at P2P programs as the culprits, not the pirates?
Matrix Reloaded
1. saw it in the theater
2. saw it twice or more in theater
3. theater, then Divx
4. theater, then Divx, then Matrix box set
5. there is no Divx
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everytime slashdot posts something about bittorrent, every bittorrent site goes off-line, and every tracker is DDoS, and mayham is bring upon bittorrent fans (Sorry for my bad english)
please, NO MORE BITTORRENT POSTS.... PLEASE !!
all with me say AYE !
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I may just download the pirated copy. I may just watch a bit of it too. Before *gasp* even seeing it in the theatre!!!
:-). I will pay without questioning the price. I will do it more than once. I will also buy the DVD when it comes out.
But here are two things you can be damn sure of:
I WON'T sit here in my office chair and watch an entire movie, and I won't bother making it watchable on the TV either. Even if I did, I would still...
I WILL pay to see it in the theatre. I will wait 'till the rush dies down, and go on a week night so I can get the best seat in the house (the ones down front with a railing in front of the seat, so I have a nice foot rest and no heads in my way
So in my case, there is no money lost; no matter how many times I may sit and watch an illegal copy of the movie, the movie industry will still get my money as if I hadn't seen this article.
I think the movie industry spends more money bitching about piracy than it loses to actual piracy.
Only I keep getting this bizarre video of a person hitting "refresh" on a 2-dimensional array of numbers...
Sorry, but i'm a complete windows n00b.
"It is essential that your complete downloader be able to receive incoming connections. If you're behind a firewall or NAT, you should forward ports 6881 through 6889 to your machine. (The first downloader uses 6881, the next 6882, etc.)"
Does anybody know how to do that?
I remember reading an article in the week before the Reloaded was released, that predicted that the R-rating would hurt ticket sales by a little, while also anticipating the movie to be one of the strongests box office draws of all time.
In the past those age-challened would sneak into theatres to see these R-rated films. It was almost a rite of passage. Many of today's kids are more tech-savvy and probably more likely to download a bootleged copy than sneak into the theatre. Yet I cannot recall one case where the MPAA complained about lost money due to people sneaking into theatres. Particularly those big ones with designated exit doors, where one could patiently wait outside until a patron leaves the theatre.
I'm sure the MPAA wouldn't try to crackdown on the theatres with relaxed security, because without the theatres, a lot of revenue is lost. 4 people can happily enjoy a DVD for $20 instead of seeing it in a theatre for $10 each.
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thank you slashdot for ruining bt for the time being. the sites that have hosted these files and the trackers they were on have been taken down. everyone can thank the media and slashdot for this
Why is there not an article about the animatrix?? There is a real Xvid DVD-Rip copy floating around on the internet.
P2P hogs up to 60% of bandwidth...by the way, you can download the matrix here, here, and here.
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Someone help me understand Bittorrent and "leeching" because the FAQ is worthless.
.torrent file on your computer?
It looks like to me that bit torrent is basically a client that lets you download files on the web, but seeks peers that are hosting files to make downloads faster. So if you're trying to download matrix.reloaded.mpg off bittorrent.org, the client seeks other sources of matrix.reloaded.mpg and uses them to make your download faster.
Right?
As far as the leeching goes... well that part I don't get. How does BT know what file's I have to 'share' or will it just let anyone download any file I have once the app is installed? That's where I don't get it.
How can it prevent you from leeching if you don't have a web server or
Unless it's using the file you're downloading as data to send to others (like say you have 20% of it completed... other people request the file too, so your source file is used to fill their needs as well?)
I would think that I would be getting incredible download speeds from my Matrix Reoladed download right now, but not so. Even though I'm sure the download experienced an increase in traffic as a result of this article, my download speeds are ranging from 0 kbps to 15 kbps, nothing out of the ususal.
Let's make sure that a /. story about BitTorrent shows up every few days on this site so none of the damn tracker sites work. They are as fragile as eggs anyway. The RIAA or MPAA or whoever must be paying .\ to do this knowing that the nerds will post in their comments a web address to "their favorite sites" and that other nerds will gangbang the damn sites. Thanks \..
The DVDs are in production now, getting all the "extra" content together, subtitling and dubbing, coding digital copies for the scene selection jumps, etc. It's a lot of work to get them ready to send to the pressing plant.
The film has to be converted to DVD file format first, because everything else depends on it, and multiple people will be using various copies of this file as they do their bit. All it takes is one low-paid studio gofer in a state of disgruntlement to slide a disk into his/her pocket and walk out the door. Burn a copy and upload it to somewhere and they have their revenge against the PHBs at the studio.
If I had the opportunity to purchase a DVD on the way out of the theatre I would. Purchases are only possible with a ticket, and before you leave the ticket check section. They would milk it. The longer time there is between theatre and dvd release, the more pirating there will be. It will also reduce their potential revenue. Idiots.
Allow me to recommend a film, Rabbit Proof Fence by Phillip Noyce. It's a movie about how the Australian government used to behave with respect to Aboriginals. Kind of like the Matrix, except it's true. And it's not stuuuuuuupid.
Don't be a sheep, see an intelligent movie.
Having read the install instructions for BitTorrent, I decided it would be quicker to wait for the movie on DVD. P.
I'd have to say that Gwen Stefani has the market cornered on No Doubt perfect nipples.
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Will you also buy 5 "Blu Disk" HDTV 1080i versions of all your matrix and animatrix disks when that format is available?
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
You are going to estimate the worst case scenario... but it's not even realistic. For that many people to download, it would crap out practically every connection in the world
So more realistic is 1 in 10, in which case your 10% becomes 1%. Now lets say half the college students are women (47%) and don't download it (unrealistic in the extreme, but would counterbalance the group that doesn't download and is male).... that means 1% becomes 0.5%
Finally, the group that doesn't directly borrow it from their friends instead, and it may drop a bit more.
Worst case scenarios are fine and dandy, but there comes a limit when a 200X safety factor is just plain silly.
Is it just my stretched monitor settings, but does the photo of Mr Morpheus on the BBC news site make him look a touch tubby?
What a waste of air!
But I can't wait for the next one, Revolution OS...
So let those studios shut down, or (more likely and more desirably) go back to making smaller-budget films that can be profitable without needing to rake everyone over the coals and trying to extend copyright legislation into our bedrooms. I'd even stop boycotting DVD purchases if that happened (I rent them so the rental store gets the money instead of the MPAA).
The point about the big-theater experience and the expense of home theaters is valid, but it's not that big a deal to most people. I don't have an actual home theater and am a little extreme in not even having a TV set. But watching rented DVD's on my computer with small external amplified speakers works quite well, it's at least as good as watching on a TV. And as computer LCD projectors get cheaper, a real home theater-like experience gets both more affordable and less imposing on your living space (you can just have a little projector and roll-up screen that you can put away when not in use, instead of a huge rear-projection set that fills your room).
How do you play a bin/cue movie?
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What MPAA and Hollywood in general could do, is try improve the cinema experience.
I'm a person who doesn't go very often to the cinema. I grew up on the countryside, and the distance to the cinema was always too far, and besides, just wait a few years and the thing is on TV anyhow, where you can watch it in the comfort of your own home, not worry about drinking too much cola with the snacks, since you can go take a piss on the comercial breaks anyway.
Anyhow... as someone who rarely visited cinemas, people always hyped to me that there was something better about it. Better image quality, better sound, etc... So now that I live in the city, I actually wetn to see Matrix Reloaded.
I had been hyped up too much... Where to start, the picture, I suppose.
The whitescreen has a number of flaws.. First, it's white, so you can't really get any black. It's some grey-ish colour. My computer monitor and tv is darker and has bigger dynamic range. This is only a minor issue, of course.
Second, flickering. I don't know why people noticed this, maybe this 70hz (*snigger*) monitor has spoiled me, but the way that bright scenes flickered in the cinema really annoyed me and made me squirm in the seat.
Thirdly, framerate. On a smallish TV or monitor, you really don't notice the crapness of 24fps. However, on the bigscreen, you notice it easily.. There was a very long highspeed panning scene in Matrix Reloaded.. It was absolutely awful to watch in 24fps. Seems as soon as there is a little bit of movement, everything gets blurry.
Anyhow... if the movie studios would move on to, say, 48 fps instead of 24, cinemas would have an instant advantage over DVD and TV, and most likely bootlegs as well, since I atleast know of no consumer camera that can capture at doubleframerate.
As how to fix the other issues, I have no clue if it's even technichally possible.
Sound... well, the sound in the cinema quite frankly, sucked. My el-cheapo wireless headphones that are very bad, are even better. Low bass sounds sounded like somone stood behind the screen and shook a large sheet of thing metal around. The Dolby digital sound test, well, it failed, one of the speakers at the front started to crackle and rumble.
I seem to remember reading that THX would fix this though, that the cinema would have to get certified first? Quality control is always good, and needed in this case, it seems!
Adding *quality* stereo headphone outputs to each seat in the cinema would be a good thing, everyone could take their favourite high quality headphones with them for the ultimate experience.
In summary, I would urge the movie studios and MPAA to *innovate* instead of blaming piracy.
my brother (age 12) and sister (age 18) can't stop playing the GameCube version - it looks freaking amazing
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In Soviet Russia, Matrix bittorrents YOU!
SPOILERS WARNING? plus, if you play the Enter the Matrix game, the Oracle says something about a child that must be born. Neo+Trinity=kid?
if you use bittorrent to only download from the lowest ping/highest bandwidths, you optimize the entire internet. by taking bandwidth from only the fastest routes, you reduce the strain on the rest of the internet.
and since another article today said 60% of traffic is file transfers, this is saving everyone in the country/world resources, and therefore money. a 1% increase in a $100 billion industry (theres ~$80 bil/yr in networking equipment per year, so this is the right order of magnitude) means that bittorrent is producing $1 billion in savings per year. can't say precisely the impact here, but its potentially huge. gj bittorrent team.
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The game isn't even worth the time and bandwidth used to download it. It runs pretty crappy, and it looks even worse. It's downright impossible to control and you have no idea what you're doing most of the time. It is blatantly obvious that they rushed it to make the release date. Well I'm talking about the PC version that is, I don't know about the XBox or PS2 versions which could very well be really cool.
if it's got action in it I usually go to the cinema anyway, and it's an occassion anyway
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This is the thing, a good movie will get good reviews, and YES people will still go see movies, until we get two storey screens in our houses. If a movie is crap however, nobody will go see it! And nobody will bother to make even a decent Telesync of it. Look on www.vcdquality.com... there are at least half a dozen rips of the matrix, and maybe one of movies like Daddy Day Care. And I bet you anyone who downloads TMR will go and see it in the theatres as well.
am I missing something? The price of a CD today is about 5 cents.
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I also saw the movie in the theatre... twice. And, yes, I'll buy the DVD when it comes out. And, yes, I'll be watching the downloaded copy I got off the net until then. No harm done. As to the quality of the rip going around: the one I have is pretty good considering. It's about 1.2GB. To compare this to a DVD rip is laughable though. No one is going to be watching this instead of a DVD unless they just hate the movie.
And the people downloading to get a copy at home are most likely either teenagers who 1: aren't (or shouldn't be for an R movie) their target audience, and 2: are likely to find a way around buying it anyway.
Shouldnt be in a R movie? Bah. Thats why I bought my ticket on fandango! The person didnt even bother to ask for id when the 15 year old presented her with a credit card and valiantly said "Fandango".
So there.
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I am a Matrix fan, but I'm also damn tired of being ass-raped by Hollywood.
Gee, wouldn't it be fun to go stand in line for hours, to pay $10 to get a single ticket, so that I can sit and stand in filth, pay $5 for a can of watered-down soda, sit around for more than a half-hour of watching commercials and trailers for other movies which are supposed to encourage me to go through the same crap, only to be eventually rewarded by a (at best) movie that doesn't live up to reasonable expectations (at worst is complete piece of crap like Star Wars EP1), and has embedded dozens of product logos and endorsements that usually distract from the movie, and rub in your face the fact that you've gotten screwed-over every step of the way.
Hmm, better stop myself now, because I could go on like this for pages upon pages.
Personally, I LOVE P2P, if for no other reason than the use of it as a way to break the big-studio monopolies, and force them to serve the conumers (for once--finally) or die.
I may buy the DVD later on, but only if it is under $10 fairly soon after it is released. There is no reason for any single-disc DVD to be any more expensive than that (and I sure don't want a full disc of extra crap).
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Torrentse.cx is a privatly run site. It was never ment for this many people and now as you can see thanks to you There is now an artical in the BBC.
GG Slashdot
Go see it in the theater folks. The internet downloads look like you are watching a shitty japanese movie in vhs on a 30 year old color television.
The main torrents have actually been taken down from torrentfiles.com. from the admin:
/. story along with the bogus BBC story have left me with no choice at the moment. . . . i plan to bring them back, but right now all the money that goes to this site comes from my pocket, and to be honest, the pocket is getting a bit low with the bandwith these stories produce. Some people have asked how they can donate to the site. This is someting that i cannot allow, i believe that sites like this should be free, so i will not accept any money. . . . thanks anyway. As far as the downloads go, we are going to wait this one out. . . when the scene cools off a bit, we will be back. . . . Thanks again. . . . We will keep you up-to-date as things progress. .
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well obviously it will give you a list of IPs, how else would you connect to them to get the file?
i don't really see this being a problem, are they going to go after the 300 users hosting a specific file? the IP list that BitTorrent gives doesnt give details on who is actually seeding the file, just a big list of possible people to connect to get the file from
BitTorrent doesn't have a centralized source for searches either. A given file often has a centralized source, and there are popular tracker sites, just as there are popular websites, but Google is as close to a centralized source as any.
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/ctcp azatoth get X-Men.2.SVCD.TS-Centropy.torrent
/ctcp azatoth get The.Matrix.Reloaded.SVCD.TS-Centropy.torrent
/ctcp azatoth get Bruce.Almighty.SVCD.TS-Centropy-Sample.mpg.torrent
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To get Matrix Reloaded (SVCD) Type:
To get Bruce Almighty (SVCD) Type:
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Most of the time I put anyone who seems annoying on my foes list. I usually look at past posts too, so it's not completely arbitrary.
Upon review of your recent posts, you don't seem annoying. In fact, I almost wonder if, late one night, I intended to put you on my friends list, but my finger slipped? Not sure. Maybe I was in a bad mood that day.
However, while looking through your posts, I found a very eeevveeil grammar nazi! Alan Porridge or something like that. Now there is a prized addition to my list! I have to wonder why he's not on your foe list after the senseless reaming he gave you...
some guy posted that it was ok since the company made a lot of money. how much money is ok? oh, the pirate decides.
don't oversimplify the situation, a company with 1 blockbuster movie gets dragged back down by the 2-3 bombs it made before that. what did you think happened to all those movie failures anyways?
anyways, its not your job to decide that someone else has too much money so its time to start stealing. do people that use this reasoning apply it to everything else? ussually no. why? they are afraid of getting caught stealing from stores/rich peoples houses.
either way, its a piss poor justification. if your going to steal, atleast admit thats what your doing. your getting a service/product someone else worked hard to make for nothing. if its so cr@ppy, don't waste your time on it at all.
There will always be a pirated release of almost any movie very soon after it is first shown to someone. If studios are lucky, this will happen a days or two after the theatrical release. If they are out of luck, it will happen during the screenings for the press, a few days or weeks before the release. If they release it in the end of the year, Academy DVD screener will be pirated.
BUT. There is huge "but". The fact that there is a release on vcdquality or even on Sharereactor (or any BT site) doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean that the "executives who co-ordinated a worldwide release of the film in an attempt to thwart piracy" should be worried. They do not lose money because a copy of the film was leaked to the Internet, they lose money only when people choose to watch it instead of watching it in the theater.
And I believe that the studio did the right thing in this case. A worldwide release ensures that the overhelming majority of people will first (or only) see the film in the theaters. Some will download a copy, because the DVD is not available yet, but the negative effect will be low. If the studios want to completely eliminate piracy, they can release the DVD on the same day, but they choose not to. It's their right and they probably know what they are doing (maximising profits), but then they need to accept a certain level of piracy.
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