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A Good Summer Read?

binaryhead asks: "Well, the semester has just ended, and I have graduated from school! :-) I start my full-time job in a month and want to read a good book in the mean time. Having read Snowcrash, Neuromancer, and most of the hacker biographies, I am trying to find a scifi-geek-hacker book that people like. I might try the new Kevin Mitnick book, but I wanted to see what Slashdot preferred. Thanks."

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  1. Gibson.... by objekt404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just picked up 'Pattern Recognition' & it is definitely a decent read (so far)

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    1. Re:Gibson.... by farrellj · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am about 80% through this book and I am greatly enjoying it....film clip to be found on the internet...(inside joke!).

      ttyl
      Farrell

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    2. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      just finished reading this one, and is i liked it a lot... great page turner... good techie bits... and solid story line

    3. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Read the rest of Gibson, they're all good. I'm just about done with Virtual Light, and it's just as good the third time around. All Tomorrows Parties was good, and Burning Chrome is good if you want short stories. Read them all, you won't regret it.

    4. Re:Gibson.... by hdparm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah but the one that definitelly matches scifi-geek-hacker spec and comes to mind first is a 'Batbook', Costales&Allman.

    5. Re:Gibson.... by fingerbear · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I liked Pattern Recognition, too, but I have a question -- did reading that book affect your shopping patterns?

      I read it a few months ago and STILL think of Cayce Pollard every time I'm in a clothing store. And every time I remove a label from the stuff I buy.

      I think she's my new idol.

    6. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the one where the Footage followers are all tense about some movie clips from the 'Net and it turns out to be some brain-damaged Russian chick who was injured in a mob hit gone wrong?

      The ending kind of sucks (almost as bad as Stephenson's endings), because it's just her finding out that it's this chick and her sister who are anonymously posting the footage.

    7. Re:Gibson.... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anyone else notice all the Velvet Underground references in Gibson's work?

      Neuromancer's "Miss Linda Lee" is in the song "Cool It Down"

      The book "All Tomorrow's Parties" appears to be named after a VU song as well.

      There are others as well, but I can't recall of the top of my head.

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    8. Re:Gibson.... by EverDense · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the one that definitelly matches scifi-geek-hacker spec and comes to mind
      first is a 'Batbook', Costales&Allman.


      First Homer J. Simpson reminded us that "Batman's a scientist".
      Now you tell us he is a hacker too!

      Batman... truly a man with a multitude of talents.

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    9. Re:Gibson.... by hdparm · · Score: 1

      I meant this batbook.

    10. Re:Gibson.... by lebowitz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pattern Recognition
      by Sergios Theodoridis, Konstantinos Koutroumbas, Ricky Smith

      Was just shown to me by a friend... It's on the advanced undergraduate / graduate reading level and introduces the problem of pattern recognition in various domains. What I read was very well written.

      I have a background in fourier analysis and error correcting codes and both of these topics are re-introduced and applied by this book. Granted, a bit technical, but I think it could be appreciated by the professional engineer or someone (like me) recently out of college.

    11. Re:Gibson.... by spongman · · Score: 1

      I love the fact that this comment was modded +5 insightful. There is life in slashdot afterall.

    12. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing you'll notice is that you always have to wait. (Count Zero)
      One microscopic cog in some catastrophic plan (nick cave-red right hand, quote in all tomorrows parties)
      I fought the law, and the law won (in pattern recognition made by bobby fuller in -65 popularized by the clash)
      Those are at the top of my head.
      Keep posting if you remember others.

    13. Re:Gibson.... by JimPooley · · Score: 1

      Anyone else notice all the Velvet Underground references in Gibson's work?

      Lot of Steely Dan references in his earlier work.

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    14. Re:Gibson.... by trib · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup. 'Bout 2/3 of the way through. Fairly different from his earlier stuff (which ALL rocks), but worth every cent.
      I also can't speak highly enough of John Courtenay Grimwood. This guy's stuff is broadly in the Cyberpunk genre, but again, very different. Look at Amazon UK which has more on offer than the US site.
      A third option are the Marid Audran/Budayeen trilogy (and others) by George Alec Effinger.

      Enjoy!

      Trib

    15. Re:Gibson.... by lightcycle · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Mona Lisa Overdrive (if I remember correctly) there's a ship called 'Sweet Jane' travelling up to orbit, a song on the VU 'Loaded' album has this title.
      Also, that music trivia guy in Chia's Sandbender in 'Idoru' sounds a lot like David Bowie, doesn't he?

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    16. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ::PEDANTIC::
      First thing you learn is that you always have to wait
      /pedantic

    17. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask Condor about ESS 1a tapping. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Kevin Mitnick never knew anything.

    18. Re:Gibson.... by Conspir8or · · Score: 3, Informative

      VU/Lou Reed ("Take a Walk on the Wild Side") and Steely Dan ("Rikki Don't Lose That Number") influences unite in the name "Rikki Wildside," from his short story "Burning Chrome," a work of such brash, concise beauty that it still gives me chills up my spine 10+ years after my first read.

    19. Re:Gibson.... by jmccay · · Score: 1

      This may not be tech or sci-fi, but it is a very good read. Try "Ghost Soldiers" by Hampton Sides. It's miltary history, but it talks about a part of history that got left out of the history books and the first time a new class of soldiers were used. I really enjoyed reading it.

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    20. Re:Gibson.... by johnwharfinger · · Score: 1

      You can map the Steely Dan album "Pretzel Logic" onto Count Zero: Barrytown as the locale being one of the most obvious points of connection...

    21. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but gibson has gone downhill as a writer since Mona Lisa Overdrive. I haven't read Pattern Recognition, but if you went Gibson, I would recommend Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive, and then stop there.

    22. Re:Gibson.... by bbqnut · · Score: 1

      I didn't think Pattern Recognition was that great as a story. Not much actually happens in the book. However as an observation on how the internet has affected the way some people live and interact with each other it was interesting.

    23. Re:Gibson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an ass. But you already knew that, didn't you?

      And yes, I already read the book, but there was no need for you to give the plot away to those who didn't, shithead.

      You're probably the kind of person who'd reveal the ending of a movie you just finished watching to someone on their way to see it.

      May all your hair fall out and may leeches feast on your genitalia...forever. :-P

      Shithead's original post:
      Isn't that the one where the Footage followers are all tense about some movie clips from the 'Net and it turns out to be some brain-damaged Russian chick who was injured in a mob hit gone wrong?

      The ending kind of sucks (almost as bad as Stephenson's endings), because it's just her finding out that it's this chick and her sister who are anonymously posting the footage.

    24. Re:Gibson.... by alcharn · · Score: 1

      Pattern Recognition would definitely make my list. Interesting, an easy ready and pretty decent.

  2. Ender's Game by mr100percent · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ender's Game. Not sure about the sequels though. You may want the crossover(quasi-sequel) Ender's Shadow after that.

    1. Re:Ender's Game by Vairon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. Incredible Story. One of my all time favorites.

    2. Re:Ender's Game by rw2 · · Score: 1

      IMO all the sequals accept Children of the Mind are worth reading.

      Children might be worth reading if you are into religion, but otherwise is a real drag.

    3. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I totally agree. Ender's Game is the best book I have read in a long time. And from what i can remember, Ender's Shadow (about Bean) would be the book i would recommend to read next, before the 'true' sequels.

    4. Re:Ender's Game by BobLenon · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the whole series is good. However, Enders Game is the best. I got it for xmas a few years back and read it in one weekend. I then purchased the others and read them all in about 1.5 months. I think the story is very interesting. It is also a realtivly easy book to read - as opposed to say LoTR. I think there are sample chapters on Orson Scott Card's website.

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    5. Re:Ender's Game by tomakaan · · Score: 1

      Completely off topic, but LoTR difficult to read? I was just curious about what brought you to this conclusion. At any rate, you guys definitely have me sold on the Ender's Game series. I think I'll head out to the library and pick it up tomorrow.

    6. Re:Ender's Game by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      Personally, I liked Children of the Mind... I certainly wouldn't have wanted to stop reading at Xenocide, everything would be all unresolved!

      I don't really see why you have to be into religion to read it - I'm an athiest and I enjoyed it just fine.

    7. Re:Ender's Game by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Difficult to read as in the "oh God when will it end?" reaction that some people have (ex. my roommate).

      Enjoy the Ender series :-)

    8. Re:Ender's Game by realdpk · · Score: 1

      The Hobbit was an easy read, but the rest of the LoTR series is relatively harder. I haven't been able to read the first of the trilogy entirely, and I've tried several times.

      I don't think I'm dumb either, but who knows if I'd know that. :)

    9. Re:Ender's Game by stubblehead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Definitely Ender's Game. I would recommend the first sequel, Speaker for the Dead (added a lot of interesting new items), but not so much the last one, Xenocide (boring, too much irrelevant side story). But even if you don't read those sequels, I again recommend Ender's Shadow, then Shadow of the Hegemon, and finally, Shadow Puppets (this last one is kinda quick and not as good but worth the 'closure' of a trilogy... or is it?...)

      For some reason, Card is amazing in his firsts - EG and ES. But I feel he squeezes the story out too tightly in sequels, and then just stomps the crap out of the rinds for complete trilogies. However, like these previous posters, as highly as I would recommend the Hobbit in fantasy, Ender's Game is a book that will stick with you for ages. I read it at around 15 years old by recommendation of a teacher (who wasn't a fan of SciFi until EG) and I devoured it in a few days. Great plot, terrific characters (that warrant extensions), and fluid writing. I don't know how Card fares in fantasy but he's more than worthy of his Nebula and Hugo awards.

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    10. Re:Ender's Game by tomakaan · · Score: 1

      I guess it's all about what you like. My friends told me I had to read the LoTR book before I went to see the movie. I read the first one in the four days before the first movie came out and read the second one in the day that the second movie came out.

    11. Re:Ender's Game by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 1
      Tolkien goes into too much detail when writing. Thus the, as another poster mentioned, "Oh god, when will it end?" reaction.

      It's not that it's a hard read, it's that it moves way too slowly. IIRC, there's a good page about Treebeard when we first meet him. A simple, "he looks like an aging cypress tree with a face" would work pretty well.

    12. Re:Ender's Game by El · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, anybody else see any parallels between Ender's Game and the U.S. Strategy in the Gulf War? Sort of makes you wonder if Rumsfeld is an Orson Scott Card fan, doesn't it?

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    13. Re:Ender's Game by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      LoTR is one (six?) of my favorite books.

      IMO it is a "tough read" for two key reasons.

      First, there are approximately nine million proper nouns in there. They refer to about five million people and places. All of the "most important" people and places have three names.

      Unless you are accustomed to reading books with a notebook and pen handy, or get clued in early and get a copy of The Complete Guide to Middle-Earth (and don't have a major issue with cutting over to a reference work once or twice per page) it makes the first read pretty tough. Second was no joy ride for me on that count either.

      The movies may have lowered this barrier to entry, since people can go into the book with a face for each (set of) name(s).

      The other is that uncommon language is used throughout the books, both in terms of vocabulary and phraseology. For example, on my first reading I had no idea what a "brace of coney" were. In Colorado coney means marmot, not rabbit. I say couple or pair, never brace.

      It is taxing on the mind to deal with uncommon language for more than a couple of minutes.

      Please note that neither of these points are criticisms. Both, IMO, enhance the work.

      -Peter

    14. Re:Ender's Game by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      As it happens, I just finished reading "Fight Club" today.

      Very good book. It may be the only book I've ever read that isn't as good as the movie, but it is my all-time favorite movie. That's a lot to live up to.

      I don't really get your sig though. But I might change mine to "HIDEOUSLY WRINKLED (stop) PLEASE HELP ME! (end)"

      -Peter

    15. Re:Ender's Game by WNight · · Score: 1

      Hard, as in complexity, no. It's hard to get into. The book drones on for at least a hundred pages about the most uninteresting stuff happening to a character you aren't interested in at that point.

      Some authors get you interested in the character within the first few pages, it's a style I prefer. I can read a text book, but when I read for enjoyment I'd like there to be something to enjoy.

    16. Re:Ender's Game by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, attention spans have shrunk over time, thus few have the patience to really soak in LotR. A true shame...

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    17. Re:Ender's Game by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      Who told Tolkien that he was a poet? I loved the books, but the poetry is laugh-out-loud material.

      For epic fantasy try Spencer, CS Lewis or the latest Federal budget.

    18. Re:Ender's Game by BJH · · Score: 1

      You know that Tolkien considered LotR to have been too short? I agree with him, actually.

    19. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Dude, I finished all three books of LotR when I was 11...

      Make you feel better? ;)

    20. Re:Ender's Game by dupper · · Score: 1

      HERETIC!!!

    21. Re:Ender's Game by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ender's Game is awesome. What is cool about it is that it appeals to so many different aspects of geekdom. There are the philosophical aspects of human society and the choices it made in the war and with Ender. There is the difficulty that Ender went through being singled out and gifted. There is the coolness of the 3d battle rooms and wargames. And there is the prediction of an influencial global network that seems apart of everyday life.

      I never got a chance yet to read "Speaker for the Dead", the first sequel to Ender's Game. However, it has gotten all of the critical praise that Ender's Game did. It too won both the Hugo and Nebula awards. In fact, Orson Scott Card claimed that he wrote Ender's Game as merely a prelude to "Speaker for the Dead" and never imagined it would do so well.

      Brian Ellenberger

    22. Re:Ender's Game by provolt · · Score: 1

      I agree that LotR tends to drag a little at times, but I can respect it. In fact, I kind of like very verbose stories sometimes. However the one point that really pissed me off was when the ring is finally destroyed.

      After reading about 400 pages of Frodo walking, the destruction of the ring takes a single page. Perhaps I've just been raised on movies and stuff where the final climactic battle against evil is long and drawn out, but I like it that way. I was pissed that there was many more pages dedicated to describing plant-life than there was when all evil was defeated.

    23. Re:Ender's Game by BobLenon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dont get me wrong, reading LoTR was great. It was difficult in the sense that it just drags on, mainly in detail. Yea I wish the movies had more to it (ie Tom Bombadill(sp?)) - but I also realize that it might get too long. The Enders seriers was something that kept me wanting to read constantly, hence why I could finish the book in 2 days. It had enough detail. It also doesnt have the backdrop of history that LoTR has, and alludes to all the time.

      As for the Ender series, I enjoyed them all. The first book stands on it's own. The next three (chronological by publish date) are sequels, and you should definently read them in order. The last two (Ender's Shadow and Shadow of the Hegemon) are directly along/after Ender's Game. Read them at the end of everything (I did) or after the first. I personaly think that Hegemon was the weakest - but undoubtly leaves room for an another sequel.

      -dave

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    24. Re:Ender's Game by child_of_mercy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      8 years old for me...

      but did you understand it?

      Interestingly (alarmingly?) I find its irrevocably coloured my moral awareness.

      Now i don't thinki thats a bad thing, but i wouldn't from where I stand would I?

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    25. Re:Ender's Game by rw2 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to be 'into religion' as a practitioner, just interested in the religious story. That's what was meant by 'into religion'

    26. Re:Ender's Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Five for me.... Or was that five for Ender?

    27. Re:Ender's Game by D-Fly · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to offend anyone, but I've never really gotten the whole obsession with Ender's game. (I've only read the first book in the series). It seemed like a pretty good story to me, but it's not like you put it down after reading it and think "that story completely changed the way I see the world."

      If I were going to recommend a couple of really excellent books for hacker summer reading, I'd aim for some quality writers who are also going to make you sit down and think a bit afterwards.

      First, I'd go with Jack Womack. Strictly in terms of how he writes, I think he's one of the most interesting SF writers around. His books experiment very interestingly with language (although they are page-turner readable), with ideas about the post-national or post-government future of the world, with artificial intelligence, and even with mutant post human freaks.

      The first book I read by him was Ambient, about a corporate assasin in New York City in the not-so-distant future. The main character thinks and tells the story in an oddly compelling near-future english slang that will have you thinking in Ambient yourself by the end of the book. Another, Random Acts of Senseless Violence, is a kind of prequel to Ambient, in which a young Upper East Side rich girl watches her world collapse into post-national chaos. The language in the book changes from proper english (with a snotty schoolgirl attitude) to Womack's invented post-English gradually to reflect the character's own slide into violent street life as the city collapses around her.

      Another hacker classic I have not seen mentioned here (surprisingly) is Vernor Vinge's Across Realtime series(there are three, read them all), which many people credit with inventing cyberpunk (the first one precedes Gibson). A more recent Vinge book, and my favorite, is A Fire Upon the Deep. Vinge is not (I would say) as good a writer as Womack, but he is a hell of a lot better than most of the hacks I've seen mentioned in this discussion, and he's had by far some of the most interesting and influential ideas in SF writing.

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    28. Re:Ender's Game by PaulBu · · Score: 1

      Not that I agree with your ~/.signature,
      but I do appreciate the point! ;-)

      Paul B.

    29. Re:Ender's Game by frankie_guasch · · Score: 1

      Not to offend anyone, but I've never really gotten the whole obsession with Ender's game.

      I agree, I didn't find it was a master piece. It's easy to read, and it the end there is a full twist of plot. But it's tricky. It cheats.
      I read a couple of the next books of the saga and I found them mostly boring.

      I enjoyed a lot more the Alvin Maker saga. It was really a new kind of magic. ;) The way it portraits the american pioneers was unique.

    30. Re:Ender's Game by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      Hehe... I don't necessarily agree with it, just found it highly amusing. :-p

    31. Re:Ender's Game by warmcat · · Score: 1

      I read the first two of Vinge's realtime series, the first one was a little slow, but the second one really rocked, a particular part of it even made me cry, not something that happens often.

      The central conceit is that shiny spherical "bobbles" can be generated around volumes of space. The perimiter of the bobble is completely inpenetrable, even to time, but each bobble has a fixed duration set at creation, after which it pops.

      With these simple rules Vinge invents a great story with many interesting uses for the bobbles (for example spaceships which throw out nuclear bombs, bobble up until they are propelled far enough away, let our another bomb, etc; people who generate millenia span bobbles in order to observe the end of the universe in their lifetime...). Because people can go in the bobbles for periods of time of their choosing, over time this leads to a range of people from different post-bobble eras with different levels of technology mixing together.

      Now I heard there's a third one I'm off to Amazon, if these stories sound up your street why not give them a try yourself.

    32. Re:Ender's Game by fyonn · · Score: 1

      All of the "most important" people and places have three names.

      you should try reading the silmarillion then :) each major character seems to have 6 names in 6 different languages which the book cuts between aeemingly at random :) good book though, if a little deep.

      For example, on my first reading I had no idea what a "brace of coney" were.

      this is fairly standard UK english, if a little old.

      I loved tolkien and I still read my rather dogeared single volume edition from time to time, but my eyes have learned to skip over the highly dense descriptive paragraphs. I start to read one and I just know it's a huge description or w a water fall etc so I quickly scan the paragraph to see if it's relevant, and if not, move on to the next. I've also not read any of the songs yet :)

      on the recommending books note. I'd recommend a few books, not particluarly hackish but damn good read's. my favourite book ever is still "the scret history" by donna tartt. alaex garland's "the beach" is well worth a read. and pratchett's/gaiman's "good omens" is pretty funny, and an easy into into pratchett's style if ppl haven't read the increasingly large discworld universe (but I'm sure almost everyone here has read pratchett).

      dave

    33. Re:Ender's Game by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its not that Ender's Game is somehow mindbending, but that it affirms many reader's beliefs. It's often on the reading list for students, and it strikes a chord with them. Many (like myself) were students pressing through a difficult education and in high school, when disillusion and cynicism become a worldview. They see themselves as Ender, someone whos trouble they understand.

      Personally, I enjoyed the internal dialoges of Ender, but perhaps that simply displays the undiagnoses Asperger's in me. I wouldn't say that Card has tapped any powerful positive human truths or displayed them in a particularly fascinating fashion.

      In fact, most of the message is pretty negative. Survival is the first priority. To defeat your enemy you must love them (its written in the book but its not what I'd call supported). The people of the world (and even your parents!) are easily manipulated by children thanks to the power of the Internet and anonymity. People are out to trick you into doing bad things for them. You might argue that the book serves as some form of cautionary tale, like Das Boot, but the lack of consequence, carnage amd dispair makes it a poor one.

      Its pretty clear why its popular. When most soon-to-be-fans read it, its what they want to hear, and they haven't looked back. If you want to see SF writing that works well, refer to the first halves of Neal Stephenson's books. Snow Crash was witty, fast paced and full of commentary. The introductory pages were a well written colloquial storytelling. Unfortunately Stephenson ususally lacks an overall plan of where things are going. Focus would benefit the man nicely. Snow Crash had too much going on with the virus, Y.T. and Hiro, Raven, Da5id and ultimately ran out of a point. Diamond age had something to do with the liberation of China from foreign dependence, something do with educating women in the sciences and something to do with a sexual computer. Cryptonomicon had to use two seperate timelines (and a lengthy pornographic letter to the editor concerning grandma's furnature) to accomadate his logorrhea. And apparently he's not done, and moved onto another toilet called 'Quicksilver.' If someone associated with Stephenson could show a little editorial restraint, its likely his works would be among the high eschelons.

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    34. Re:Ender's Game by Cplus · · Score: 1

      True that about the Ender books and reading them obsessively....my boss called me one morning to ask why I was late for work....I had started reading Shadow of the Hegemon before bed. Had to pretend to be sick so I could spend the next hour or two finishing it. I enjoyed Hegemon most as the Bean/Ender relationship reminded me a great deal of a friendship I've had over the years.

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    35. Re:Ender's Game by kscguru · · Score: 1
      In Colorado coney means marmot, not rabbit.

      Not quite... coney means pika. (Yes, I'm absolutely sure.) Looks like a mouse, but without the huge tail. Usually lives above timberline, known for distinctive round ears. And weighs about a tenth of what a marmot weights (maybe half of what a rabbit weighs). Probably tastes closer to rabbit, too.

      But I take your point completely. I read the books just before the movies came out, and it took at least two readings before I could really connect all the places. I have no chance of piecing together most of the history and poetry without a very comprehensive guide.

      On the other hand, I sort of like somewhat archaic language - fortnight (two weeks), a "score" of something (20), fo'c's'le (forecastle, the raised deck under the forward mast on a boat, pronounced "folk sull"), and other random trivia.

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    36. Re:Ender's Game by onash · · Score: 1

      Funny, i read Enders Game long time ago.. and i remebered it when i read the first Harry Potter book, because i found it to be the exact same book.. but just with diffrent names and settings. both great books, but it's funny how the same story can be told over and over again and allways be loved.

    37. Re:Ender's Game by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1

      No consequence? Have tou read the sequels to Ender's Game? His actions have very far reaching conseuqneces. And I wouldn't make claims about who's manipulating who until having read all the books, inlcuding the Shadow Saga. Throws an interesting new light on quite a few things.

    38. Re:Ender's Game by richieb · · Score: 1
      I thought "Speaker for the Dead" was the best of this series. I read "Xenocide" and then kind of lost interest...

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    39. Re:Ender's Game by richieb · · Score: 1
      Not to offend anyone, but I've never really gotten the whole obsession with Ender's game. (I've only read the first book in the series). It seemed like a pretty good story to me, but it's not like you put it down after reading it and think "that story completely changed the way I see the world."

      You should try reading "Speaker for the Dead". It's a quite different book and I think touches much deeper subjects, that a lot of SF just ignores.

      But if you are looking for more deeper science fiction novels I suggest pretty much anything by Stanislav Lem (even "Solaris"). If you feel ambitious start with "Fiasco".

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    40. Re:Ender's Game by pete-classic · · Score: 1
      coney means pika


      Yeah, you're right. It was late, and I hadn't thought about it in a while.

      I sort of like somewhat archaic language


      I really like it. But it can be exausting.

      -Peter
    41. Re:Ender's Game by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      The book seems unfinished - bits of it don't make a whole lot of sense. The film is rather more polished and coherent, and the ending is a lot more believable than the deus ex machina in the book (but what happened to the bomb in the building where the narrator is sitting?). If you listen to the commentary on the DVD from Palahniuk and the screenwriter it seems like even Palahniuk sees the film as an improvement.

    42. Re:Ender's Game by ciderpunk · · Score: 1

      I read Random Acts of senseless violence about 10 years ago, and thought it was genius. Thanks for reminding me of it! Down to the bookshop with me ...

    43. Re:Ender's Game by Graff · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I would definitely recommend Ender's Game as well as its sequels. The later books change character a bit from the first one, but they are enjoyable and they not only tell a good story they also talk about philosophy, morality, and the nature of being. Pretty heavy stuff but written in a very accessible and fun fashion.

      You can hardly go wrong with any of Orson Scott Cards's books, although the latest ones aren't as good as his older stuff, with the exception of the new books in the Ender's Game series. Card has a set of awesome books of short stories, get them if you can. Some of the stories are just brutal in what occurs in them, but totally great reads.

      Another great author is Stephen R. Donaldson. His series, "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" are extremely well-written and powerful. There are 2 trilogies in the series and although the middle books in each series drag a bit all 6 books are well worth reading. He also has another great series called "Mordant's Need" which consists of two books - "The Mirror of Her Dreams" and "A Man Rides Through".

      Right now I'm reading George R. R. Martin's "A Clash of Kings", sequel to "A Game of Thrones". Great novels, lots of political backstabbing and battles, the series is well-worth a look at.

    44. Re:Ender's Game by ozbon · · Score: 1

      That's only the second book. IMHO it should've been renamed "everyone travels. A lot." and you'd have been able to go from book one to book three and not really miss all that much of the story.

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    45. Re:Ender's Game by Slack0ff · · Score: 1

      Enders game is a book for all ages. Certain demographics get certain things from the book. And the dumb people just get a good action read. I suggest Enders Game, Enders Shadow, and Shadow of the Hedgemon(sp?). Those are my favorite 3 and I would not touch Xenocide with a 20ft pole ever again.

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    46. Re:Ender's Game by pmz · · Score: 1

      Not to offend anyone, but I've never really gotten the whole obsession with Ender's game.

      Readers become obsessed with the characters Orson Scott Card writes. He does write science fiction and fantasy, but they are really stories about families, children growing up, compassion, antagonism. Readers become obsessed with Ender's relationship with his sister, for example, or Ender's innocence and what really happens at the end of Ender's Game. Card's other novels, such as Worms or The Folk of the Fringe, share these qualities.

      Just thinking about Ender and his sister, again, brings up a small swell in my chest. Very good stuff, I must say.

    47. Re:Ender's Game by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      IMO all the sequals accept Children of the Mind are worth reading.

      Great. The last one I need to read and you're telling me it's worse then Xenocide was. I'm still trying to look forward to reading it...

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    48. Re:Ender's Game by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      I've read them all, sadly. Except maybe the last one, if it was recently released. Sure, in the later books the Xenocide is mentioned as a horrible even up there with the Holocost, within the context of the book itself there is little consequence. A book must be able to stand on its own. Especially the best one of a series.

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    49. Re:Ender's Game by Chaswell · · Score: 1

      Bah, "a book must stand in its own." What rubbish. Exactly how does Two Towers stand on its own. How does Second Foundation stand on its own. How silly.

    50. Re:Ender's Game by Chaswell · · Score: 1

      Please tell me that both of you have read LOTR since your younger ages! I read it when I was 11 or 12 but then not again until just before the first movie. WOW, the story has changed. It is amazing what your younger self and older self latch on to in the story. Also, the names and places are much easier to keep straight now.

    51. Re:Ender's Game by rw2 · · Score: 1

      Heh. Apparently there is a subjective element. I liked Xenocide a lot!

    52. Re:Ender's Game by prator · · Score: 1

      I think the thing that has stuck with me (and probably a lot of other people) the most from Ender's Game was Ender's solution to prevent things from ever harming him again. (I would hate to spoil it for those who haven't read it yet)

      -prator

    53. Re:Ender's Game by Graff · · Score: 1
      Re:Ender's Game (Score:1, Flamebait)
      by Graff (532189) on Thursday May 29, @10:37AM (#6067473)
      I would definitely recommend Ender's Game as well as its sequels...

      Whoot, my first flamebait ever on Slashdot! I just wish I knew what I was flaming in the parent post here. The post seemed perfectly on-topic and calm and all.

      Oh well, it's not like karma really matters or anything. I've been maxed out for some time now and I'm hardly in danger of losing my karma bonus anytime soon. Nice waste of mod points there!

      Lol. *shakes head*
    54. Re:Ender's Game by BlightThePower · · Score: 1

      You really would want to read Speaker for the Dead IMHO. Ender's Game is about war. SFTD is about what you do after you've had to do some terrible things...food for thought in our current jingoistic "we rock" kind of post-Gulf war 2 environment? (If you like the second, and well third, books are the conscience much lacking from the first).

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    55. Re:Ender's Game by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      You know that both of those are sequals while Ender's Game is a novel adoptation of a short story by the same name and the first in a series, right? And that this pretty much demolishes your point, no?

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  3. Gullivers Travels by rw2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Free on PG and it's about time we, as a collective, got a little more broad in our selections.

    1. Re:Gullivers Travels by privacyt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Free on PG and it's about time we, as a collective, got a little more broad in our selections.

      I couldn't agree more. Gulliver's Travels raises many fascinating philosophical questions, in the form of a historical satire. (Jonathan Swift intended the book as a complex satire on 18th century morals and thought.) Ah, if only Swift were alive today, imagine what he would write on things like:
      - the university system in the US
      - the crazy US government and its Total Information Awareness, War on Drugs/Terror/Whatever, Iraqi Freedom(TM), etc. - all the outsourcing of tech jobs.
      - Kind-hearted Micro$oft and the RIAA. Amazon's nice, well-deserved patents.

      The possibilities for Gullver Travels Version 2003 are endless!

    2. Re:Gullivers Travels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So write the g'dang thing, already.
      You're awash in material; be about it.

    3. Re:Gullivers Travels by privacyt · · Score: 1
      So write the g'dang thing, already.

      Hmmmm . . . maybe I will!

    4. Re:Gullivers Travels by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

      And for the horny geeks out there, the original novel mentions nipples. It was actually pornographic for it's time.

    5. Re:Gullivers Travels by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
      The Punic Wars wouldn't be a bad read.

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    6. Re:Gullivers Travels by Stonehand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No kidding.

      If we want to wax philosophical but still keep the reading accessible to the casual -- unlike, say, Spinoza's "Ethics" -- there's material such as Nozick's "Anarchy, State and Utopia". Fiction-wise, there's plenty of philosophical fiction, especially in the woe-is-the-world apocalyptic genre typified by, say, John Brunner's "Stand on Zanzibar" or other dark material such as most anything by Philip K. Dick or Franz Kafka. History can get one thinking, as well... and readers shouldn't confine themselves to their own histories, either. Need to learn about evil? Pick up something on, say, Stalin's gulag system.

      Or grab a well-written satire. Bulgakov's "The Master and Margarita" fits; it's well-written, damn funny, and absolutely brutal regarding the nonsensical bits of '30s life in the Soviet Union.

      Hell, my collection meanders between history, hard-boiled detective novels, science fiction, oft-depressing literature (e.g. Camus, Kafka...), a couple of books on photography, epic novels (RoTK), the occasional thoughtful satire, Le Carre-ish suspense/espionage... I see no reason for anybody to pigeon-hole himself to the point where he specifically wants just "geek books". I'm a human being, not a dedicated organism whose sole purpose is geekdom.

      Of course, it also costs me enough that Jeff Bezos probably /loves/ customers like me...

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    7. Re:Gullivers Travels by joeykiller · · Score: 1

      I think Michael Moore has already written a book like that. It's called "Stupid White Men", and more or less is about everything Michael finds wrong with the US today.

      I have to admit that I believe Michael jumps to conclusions a little too fast sometimes, and also that he's a little too liberal with his usage of facts, but still: "Stupid White Men" is a good, thought provoking and, most importantly, a very funny book.

      Whether you agree with his opinions or not, the book's good - and you'll chuckle with him and agree that he makes a few good points, while managing to be funny at the same time.

    8. Re:Gullivers Travels by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      The difference is, whereas Moore ambushes people (like Charlton Heston, head of the NRA, where he claimed falsely that he was a member in order to get closer to him) and only writes short jokes, Swift was a brilliant politician as well as writer. He was invited several times to speak to Parliament, and was respected for his political insight. Moreover, his writing was metaphorical fiction, which is intrinsically more difficult to write than simply stating the problems you perceive [as Moore does].

      I'm not saying Moore is a terrible writer, or an idiot, or any other flamebait like that. Granted, I do think he's an asshole for the stunt he pulled at the Oscars, but that's neither here nor there.

      My simple point is this: Moore barely makes his point well by stating it directly, whereas Swift is still easily understandable as a thought-out critique of many aspects of his contemporary society, even today centuries later.

      Moreover, people often use "Swiftian" as an adjective now (referring to his then-unique style of slowly transitioning the reasonable into the ludicrous so as to demonstrate the absurdities of reality; check out his "A Moderate Proposal"), and I have a real doubt they'll similarly use "Mooreian" or any such term at any point in the future.

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    9. Re:Gullivers Travels by joeykiller · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your points are good, except I wasn't talking about Bowling for Columbine but his book "Stupid White Men".

      You don't answer an important question, though: Why didn't Swift choose the bulldozer tactics of Michael Moore in his days, if Moores bulldozer style is easier to write?

      Swift chose what you call the intrinsically more difficult genre of metaphorical fiction, just not because he wanted to do so, but because he had to: In Swifts England there were no first amendment or equivalent, and the idea of free speech weren't very evolved.

      Therefore, as a critic of a regime or a system, you had to choose more subtle ways of expressing them than the bulldozer tacticts of a Michael Moore. This wasn't a English problem per se, this was a problem troughout Europe.

      The bonus, of course, were the great books of Swift and others. But if the people of those days could choose, I think they'd appreciate it if the system allowed the more bullish styles of a Michael Moore.

      Still, "Gulliver's travels" is a joy to read!

    10. Re:Gullivers Travels by hughk · · Score: 1

      Bulgakov is good but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to someone that doesn't know much about the surreal aspects life of Russia.

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    11. Re:Gullivers Travels by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      More subtle? In "A Modest Proposal", he literally advocated the killing and eating, en masse of the children of the poor in the UK (of which there was a massive population explosion/crisis), so as to demonstrate how cruel the Parliament was being in its ignoring of the poor's complaints. He presented it on the floor of Parliament, to a full house. Doesn't sound very subtle to me.

      Additionally, the better question to ask is this: today, free speech lets someone choose their forum for political dissent. Therefor, when someone like Moore chooses the notably easier format (easier both in terms of how its written, and how easily the public may access it), you have to ask why. I, frankly, would suggest that it generally means that they dont believe they could succeed in the more difficult forum.

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  4. ok by eightball01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A complete Unix manual.

    1. Re:ok by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

      A complete Unix manual.

      He said he only had a month.

    2. Re:ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real hackers only read man pages !

    3. Re:ok by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Just do `man tcsh`. That should keep you occupied for a month.

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  5. Read? by knightinshiningarmor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Didn't you read slashdot? You'd be better off playing video games then reading!

    1. Re:Read? by isa-kuruption · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if you continue to read Slashdot and playing video games, you'll continue to misuse 'then' in your sentences when you should be using 'than'.

    2. Re:Read? by knightinshiningarmor · · Score: 1

      Are you politically correct or something?

      /me ducks

    3. Re:Read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'll continue to misuse 'then' in your sentences when you should be using 'than'

      Maybe he didn't misuse it. Maybe he meant to say that you should play video games before you read.. :o)

    4. Re:Read? by Thatmushroom · · Score: 1

      Also, if you continue to read Slashdot, you'll continue to have subject verb agreements.

      "And if you continue to read Slashdot and to play video games..."

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    5. Re:Read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He meant that after you play video games, then you'll read. He is still not done playing video games so he can't read yet.

    6. Re:Read? by j3110 · · Score: 1

      No, he won't continue to make grammatical mistakes because the Grammar Nazis have free reign on Slashdot.

      Honestly, I think some of you are just French language biggots who were, unfortunately for everyone involved, born in an English speaking country.

      Besides, this is like a Slashdot Grammar Nazi fork bomb. You correct one mistake by making two. I don't know what kind of crazy person would complain about someone else's grammar in a sentance beginning with a conjunction and use a conjunction to connect two different tenses of verbs.

      Now I'm sure I've made more than two grammatical errors despite my best attempts because I've said more. Someone will undoubtable reply "Don't use propositions to end sentances with" and we will plunge into a flame war over when and where one should use a ';' or a ':'.

      After the dust settles, nothing will be different: people will still use 'then' instead of 'than' and vice-versa, people will still complain about the use of 'then' instead of 'than', and people will still complain about people complaining about a sentance they understood perfectly.

      Just to be on topic at some point...
      Read The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy by the late Douglas Adams. The series is easily the best comedy written this century. My favority line is "You're turning into a penguin, Ford... Stop it!"

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    7. Re:Read? by portscan · · Score: 1

      or just read slashdot at -1, nested. that'll keep you more than busy. talk about science fiction, just wait until someone posts a question to ask slashdot about anything scientific. watch as the creativity follows...

    8. Re:Read? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lamest excuse to someone's total lack of education : "oh you can understand me, so why should I spell correctly ?"
      Get off your tree and pick up a grammar book, if you can't even spell an amizingly simple language like English then you're an asshole.

  6. books in pre-Change Internet form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:books in pre-Change Internet form by Phishpin · · Score: 1

      Metamorphosis is probably the best time I've spent reading from my monitor. Excellent read. Just up a geek's alley.

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    2. Re:books in pre-Change Internet form by siryl · · Score: 1

      I agree! Are there any recommendation for books that have the same intensity and subject matter as Metamorphosis ?

    3. Re:books in pre-Change Internet form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and go join Kuro5hin while you're at it. Beats this shithole.

    4. Re:books in pre-Change Internet form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found a copy of MOPI on Freenet and just finished MOPI a few days ago. I'm really impressed with how very well it dealt with several contemporary issues (such as AI aspect integration and general tech issues) but the big surprise was in how well it ALSO asked - and didn't make the mistake of trying to answer! - really big questions about what the point of "it" all is.

      For example - SPOILER WARNING - the on-going theme of the inhabitant of the post-Change world being bored and seeing no purpose in existence, even to the point of being repeatedly killed in brutal, horrible ways, is a very common issue in existential philosophy (and a very real issue in the lives of an ever-growing number of people) but is very rarely successfully delt with in literature, much less SF.

      So ... yeah, this book is great. Get it from Freenet (or kuro5hin) and read it (and drop a buck or two into the tip jar). It will be well worth your time.

    5. Re:books in pre-Change Internet form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose a NSFW warning would be too much to ask for, hm?

  7. Fantasy? by DreadSpoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you like fantasy at all, I'd recommned Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series, Terry Goodkind's "Sword of Truth" series (which is all but a blatant ripoff of Jordan's work, mind), or any of the Forgotten Realms mini-series (RA Salvatore is the best writer of FR books, imo).

    If you like humour (yes, the British version of it ;-), and can at least tolerate fantasy, you _must_ read Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" books. Absolutely must.

    I'd also recommend Asian folklore; those stories are surprisingly good, considering the plots seem like they were thought up by someone using the peace pipe... ;-)

    1. Re:Fantasy? by Vann_v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read Robert Jordan when I was in middle school and loved it. "I'm a big boy!" I thought. Then, years later, I realized that he couldn't really write well , or at least didn't write well, and only the first book was worth reading.

      Who wants to spend the time reading 7, or however many there are now, 1000+ page books whose plot is plainly drawn out as long as possible for seemingly no other reason that to extend the series? I don't, but I suppose this is a good way to kill time during the summer.

    2. Re:Fantasy? by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Man, are you asking for it! Putting down Robert Jordan is kind of like defending MS in these parts...

    3. Re:Fantasy? by critter_hunter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as Forgotten Realms is concerned, I think RA Salvatore is the only really good writer. I haven't read all of FR, so maybe I was just unlucky, but everything else I read was crap

      Death Gate cycle, by Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman, is damn good fantasy (especially the 4 first books). The Dragonlance trilogies are good, too, and so is Rose Of The Prophet apparently, although I haven't read that.

      Ì saw someone recommend Connelly - I must concur, although that's no summer read. If you buy all the Connellies this week, you'll have finished reading them before summer starts. They're page turners - heck, I read Blood Work in one sitting. I started reading before going to bed - didn't sleep all night :)

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    4. Re:Fantasy? by marbike · · Score: 3, Informative

      In addition to Terry Prachett, I would highly reecommend the Robert Asprin Myth series. They are very entertaining, but quite short. I read the entire series in a weekend.

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    5. Re:Fantasy? by Defender2000 · · Score: 1

      Um, Wheel of Time? He asked for a good summer read, not decade read!

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    6. Re:Fantasy? by Have+Blue · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time"

      He asked for a good summer read, not a good decade read.

    7. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wheel of Time? PLEASE. He's up to ten books in the friggen series already, and it's still not finished! There were plot lines wrapped up in book 9 that I was able to predict with a fair amount of accuracy back in book 6. I've stopped reading it -- I've read up to "Winter's Heart", and the amount of re-reading you have to do each time a new book comes out, just so you can remember which plot lines are which, and where they're at, makes it nearly impossible (and certainly not worth my time) to keep up with.

      What I would suggest is pretty much anything by Robin Hobb: the Assassin's Apprentice series is pretty dark, but an excellent read, and the Ship of Magic series is also well worth reading. Ian Irvine is another good author that I'd suggest; Janny Wurts; Sara Douglass (the Crucible series is excellent, although it helps a little if you know something about the Catholic faith, and her other books are pretty damn good too); Katharine Kerr; Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" series; Tad William's "Otherland" series -- all of those authors I have read and enjoyed immensely.

      With the above authors list -- if I haven't recommended any particular series for a given author, it's a case of "it's all good". In the case of Simmons and William, it's not so much that those series are the only one of theirs that is worth reading, as it is that those are the only ones I've read to date, and can personally recommend.

      If you want something that's not sci-fi or fantasy, I would suggest looking into Frederick Forsyth. Some of them are a bit dated, but they're still good reading.

    8. Re:Fantasy? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Well, even the best of us have to put Robert Jordan down at some point so that we can return to frittering away our lives on /.
      There should be a law in front of congress, though, requiring him to finish the series in a book or two, or at least put notes on how the thing is supposed to end in escrow, just in case he meets some untimely demise.
      His rights as an artist are simply trivial in comparison with the public need to know how this thing ends.

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    9. Re:Fantasy? by roju · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it.

      Anyone thinking of investing the time in WoT, put it into some other long books instead. I know tons of people afraid to touch War and Peace because it's "too long", but who happily read Jordan's endless saga. If you [the submitter of the question] are one of them, do yourself a favour and read Tolstoy instead.

    10. Re:Fantasy? by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      Along the lines of Goodkind, George RR Martin's "Songs of Fire and Ice" series is a fun fantasy read. Probably a ripoff of Goodkind (fair play and all that), but both series are engaging in a sappy way.

    11. Re:Fantasy? by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1

      The boat sinks and Leo dies...oh, wait. Different fantasy. My bad.

    12. Re:Fantasy? by WowTIP · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jordan's first five or six books are good reading, but then the series start to stall. Not much happens. I have a like-dislike relationship with Goodkind's books. On one hand they are very captivating, on the other they are pretty naive.

      Now, my suggestions.

      Fantasy:
      George RR Martin - A song of fire and ice (series)
      Stephen Donaldson - The chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever (two series, one listed)
      Tad Wiliams - Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn (series)
      Stephen Erikson - A tale of the Malazan book of the fallen (series)

      Science fiction:
      Stephen Donaldson - The Gap series
      Peter F Hamilton - Night's Dawn Trilogy
      Greg Egan - Diaspora

      And all the classic; Douglas Adams, Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbert, etc.

      A word of warning. Both series by Stephen Donaldson contain main characters whose actions at times might seem offensive/disturbing to many.

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    13. Re:Fantasy? by BerntB · · Score: 1
      In fantasy literature, my favorites are:
      • Steven Brust. (Jhereg, Yendi, etc)
      • Zelazny. (The earlier the better)
      • Jack Vance. (Almost everything.)
      • Glen Cook. (Black company series only)
      • Dan Simmons. ("Carrion comfort", Hyperion series)
      • H P Lovecraft. (Horror, not fantasy)
      • Michael Shea. (Too little written. Pity.)
      • Michael Marshall Smith.
      • Neil Gaiman.
      • Mary Gentle. ("Grunts" kept me laughing and laughing. Only early stuff.)
      • C J Cherry, Tanith Lee. (Only early stuff)
      (I've only read one book by Jordan and thought he couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag. But that was a long time ago and my memory might be rusty.)

      So you can evaluate my taste:
      I tend to like science fiction quite hard (Benford, Forward, etc), but enjoy e.g. Walter Jon Williams and others, too. (I placed Simmons in fantasy since it's space opera, really.) I prefer fantasy dark and nitty-gritty realistic (yes, realistic fantasy/i> is a contradiction in term).

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    14. Re:Fantasy? by ninjaoftheworld · · Score: 1

      You felt that Martin ripped off Goodkind? But the Sword of Truth books are written with a juvenile style, and seem aimed at teenaged girls... I thought that Martin's writing was creative, engaging, and very well thought out. Maybe it's just me, but I think in order to be called a ripoff, something should be inferior to the original subject.

    15. Re:Fantasy? by mdxi · · Score: 1

      Ever notice how Tolstoy tends to lovingly describe dresses? Especially dresses involving decolletage? Epic literature plus boobs. Mmm.

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    16. Re:Fantasy? by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if Jordan actually knew how to develop characters beyond, say, all the cliches shackling his whiny feminist teenage Aes Sedai or whatever the hell he called them, he might have been worth mentioning.

      I'm not terribly fond of that other geek fantasy perennial, Pratchett, either; the first few books in the Discworld series struck me as fluffy to the point of content-free.

      Tolkien's LOTR series -- less the Silmarillion -- is pretty readable, if you skip over his tendency to go overboard with the music and poetry. I have to respect that series for the sheer amount of world-building, as well. George R. R. Martin's not-yet-completed series beginning with "A Game of Thrones" is quite good; the characters not only prove interesting and capable of development, but they also move in a coherent and complex plot within a well-imagined world instead of stumbling from cliche to cliche or a mess of nonsensical jokes.

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    17. Re:Fantasy? by lazar23 · · Score: 1

      hey, death gate was definitely a good series, but you might also be interested in the margaret weis solo work, the star of the guardians sequence and then the newer one she has out with hickman, the sovereign stone series. the latter is standard fantasy fare to read only as fun summer fantasy fluff, but it does the job.

    18. Re:Fantasy? by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      For something truly fantastic, try Michael Moorcock. The guy almost never disappoints when it comes to truly mind-bending material that will leave a lasting impression...

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    19. Re:Fantasy? by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      my problem with war and peace was the names. I couldn't keep track of them. Any suggestions?

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    20. Re:Fantasy? by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Whoo, Jordan and Goodkind. Both rather long-winded. Jordan's plot gets so tangled and complicated as the story goes on, but I'll definitely give him credit for keeping it interesting. The series (Wheel of Time) is great if you enjoy some politics with your sword and sworcerwy.

      Goodkind's Sword of Truth is also good, but IMO his dialogue sounds like orators firing speeches back and forth at each other. If you can ignore that, the books are very solid. I don't know if I would consider Sword of Truth a ripoff of WoT, though they have their similarities.

      As far as Discworld...every fantasy/sci-fi reader must read at least a few! Pratchett's twist on the genres is hilarious, though some are better than others. I would highly recommend Thief of Time as the best Discworld I've read (keep in mind that the total number is Four, a low amount). If you're in for a modern-day humorous apocalypse, check out Good Omens, co-written by Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, writer of the absolutely phenominal "American Gods," the best story I've read.

    21. Re:Fantasy? by roju · · Score: 1

      Oh boy. That was my problem with the later WoT books. Not only did I not remember the names, but I didn't even care.

      I haven't found W&P that bad, especially as I get later into the book. As you go, the context generally jogs the memory. For the first couple hundred pages everyone will probably blend together, but I found that eventually my mind sorted things out.

      Beyond that, try pronouncing the names. Since they're in a foreign language, it could be that your brain just ignores it and treats it as instead of , you know? If you pronounce it, you force your mind to think about it instead of glossing over it. Works for me.

    22. Re:Fantasy? by johndiii · · Score: 1

      Jordan's current problem is that he can't be seriously edited. Like Tom Clancy and Stephen King. And Jordan really needs a good editor. The books are getting slower and slower. Of course, I'm still hooked on the series (working on Crossroads of Twilight now).

      Goodkind as a ripoff of Jordan? No way, unless you are going to say that they both ripped off Frank Herbert's Dune series (or Shakespeare and the Bible, for that matter). Goodkind's thesis is much different from Jordan's, IMO, and Goodkind is a better writer (if a bit naive, as someone mentioned above).

      Terry Pratchett RULES! He's on my "buy it in hardcover as soon as I see it" list.

      P.C. Hodgell and Patricia McKillip write very imaginative fantasy as well. Hodgell's work is difficult to find, but worth the trouble. Her God Stalk is one of the two or three best fantasy works that I have read.

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    23. Re:Fantasy? by BJH · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call Songs of Fire and Ice sappy... any series that has the mortality rate of that one rates as pretty non-sappy in my book.

    24. Re:Fantasy? by M.+Silver · · Score: 1

      I ran into that... midway through the book, it seemed like *everyone* changed names. I keep wondering if maybe it was just the translation, but surely that wouldn't have affected the names. Everyone went from last names to first names, or maybe it was the other way around.

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    25. Re:Fantasy? by ccgr · · Score: 1

      read the Lord of the Rings series if fantasy is your gig. :)

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    26. Re:Fantasy? by BJH · · Score: 1

      No, your memory isn't rusty. Jordan really can't write his way out of a wet paper bag, even if it was made out of toilet paper.

      I agree with large chunks of your list, although as most of them are reasonably well-known, I don't need to add anything to your summary, other than that yes, Michael Shea's stuff is good. He doesn't take himself too seriously and the Nifft stories are wonderful yarns.

    27. Re:Fantasy? by vondo · · Score: 1, Troll
      Who wants to spend the time reading 7, or however many there are now, 1000+ page books

      You said it. My feeling is that the WOT books are the literary equivalent of Zeno's Paradox. Each book gets you half-way to the end from where you are, so you will never finish. Actually, with Jordan it is more like 1/4 of the way to the end.

      Maybe when he actually finishes the series I'll read it, but I just can't keep straight for 5 or 6 years (I started when there were 3 or 4 books) all the characters and sub-plots and I refuse to keep re-reading to keep it fresh.

    28. Re:Fantasy? by BJH · · Score: 1

      WoT too complicated? Puh-LEEZE. It's just long, not complicated. A three-year-old could keep track of his plot development - the question is, does anybody care what Jordan does with the series anymore?

    29. Re:Fantasy? by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      Tolstoy, as least as far as I can remember from "Anna Karenina" (it's been a while since I read "War and Peace"), has a habit of throwing multiple names per character at you.

      Full name (first, patronomic (sp?), last)
      Patronomic form (first, patronomic only; informal)
      Diminiuative forms of the first name (again informal)
      Nicknames/aliases

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    30. Re:Fantasy? by The_dev0 · · Score: 1
      Stephen Donaldson - The chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever

      I second that notion. An excellent series with a true anti-hero as the main character. You've gotta love any book that generates such a love/hate relationship between the reader and the main character while completely endearing you to all the other characters in that world. I loved it, and the first series is excellent. A lot of people don't like the second series so much, as it deviates a fair bit from the world set up in the first series, but I thought it just showed how creative and talented Donaldson is. I would happily recommend this book to anyone. Another off-shoot of Donaldson's work is that he has an excellent vocabulary, so you tend to learn a few new words while reading his books. That was the case when I gave this book to my little brother. He isn't much of a reader, but he got so hooked on the books he finished the whole series, which prepped him nicely to tackle some more difficult books.

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    31. Re:Fantasy? by orthancstone · · Score: 1

      If Terry Goodkind is ripping Jordan off, then Jordan could use some of that 2 years time he takes to write each successive book to read Sword of Truth and see how to properly lay out a story. ;)

      I like both writers but Goodkind is the only one of the two who knows how to properly write a book in terms of a series.

    32. Re:Fantasy? by M.+Silver · · Score: 1

      Yup. IIRC a character was called different things by different people, which was okay (though I probably lost some of the subtleties of what different usages said about different relationships), but it was the third-person authorial usage that switched. Maybe it was symbolic, but if so the meaning blew past me.

      Guess I should go tackle it again, while I'm waiting for _The Lord of Castle Black_ and _A Feast For Crows_.

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    33. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprised you didn't mention Raymond E Feist, just avoid most of the co-authored books.

      The new Shadows of the Conclave series is very promising.

    34. Re:Fantasy? by lord_dragonsfyre · · Score: 1

      Read Wheel of Time up through book 3, then stop - that's Jordan's best work, and going any further commits you to a morass of slow and tedious writing.

      But Goodkind? Ick - not only is his plot cliched and his prose stilted, but calling his characters two-dimensional is to insult the fine polygons of Flatland, and his world is populated by people so mind-numbingly idiotic that they take seriously a villain who wants to outlaw fire.

      No, give Goodkind a pass.

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    35. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you think WoT is better? A series [trilogy, ha!] that has 20 primary characters, hundreds of incidental characters, and 1000 more non-incidental characters he waxes eloquent about anyway -- and adds 10 more each book!

    36. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dostoevsky does this as well. For example, Alexei Fyodorovich Karamozov is referred to as Alexei, Alyosha, Lyosha, and half a dozen others. There aren't that many names in The Brothers Karamozov though, so there was a list of names/aliases included in my translation. I can't imagine that there isn't a character list available for Anna Karenina and War and Peace. At the very worst you should be able to find them at a decent library.

    37. Re:Fantasy? by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Did I say WoT was better? Did I even mention WoT at all? Sheesh. Was I even complaining about Tolstoy for that matter? People need to learn how to read on this site.

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    38. Re:Fantasy? by MrWa · · Score: 1, Troll
      Yes. The "Wheel of Time" series definitely is better when you just read the "Book-a-Minute" summaries:

      Rand al'Thor

      Tam is my father.
      (Nothing happens. Then, nothing happens. Then, unexpectedly, nothing happens. Everything is FRAUGHT with PORTENT.)

      Moiraine

      Everybody come with me.
      Everybody
      No. Well, ok.
      (They travel a LOT. Something happens that isn't explained. Something happens that doesn't make sense. Something happens.)

      Rand al'Thor

      Tam is my father.



      THE (predictable, cliched, dumb) END

      Fans

      Yah! Wah hah! This is the greatest book ever! Whoo hoo! This is the greatest series ever! Whoopie! Yee haw!
    39. Re:Fantasy? by Corporal+Dan · · Score: 1

      Wheel of Time. Ouch.
      The first book is actually rather good. It got my hopes up for the entire series. I slogged through the second, still acceptable but barely. Third, bad. Fourth, awful. Fifth, beyond readability.
      The moral is, don't start the series because you'll be disappointed as you continue to read.

    40. Re:Fantasy? by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      But there is only one Smerdyakov

    41. Re:Fantasy? by pyr0 · · Score: 1

      Not only does RA Salvatore write really good Forgotten Realms books, but his demon wars series is very good too. I believe they are published by Del-Rey books.

    42. Re:Fantasy? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've totally lost patience with Jordan.

      His characters have been marking time for close to 2000 pages. I love epic fantasy...but only if it GOES SOMEWHERE.

      Only thing that annoys me more, is that his success is making Terry Goodkind do the same thing.

      More productively, I just read Down & Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow, which was fun and short. The previous night I read Mil Millington's Things my Girlfriend and I Have Argued About, which was also short and fun.

      Now I'm reading Interface, by Stephen Bury, which is a Neal Stephenson pen name. Interesting political sci-fi joint. I'm only 50 pages into it, and it's great stuff.

      Other staples of my library: David Weber's Honor Harrington books are just fun bubble-gum reading. Nothing profound, just good space opera.

      Anything by Orson Scott Card. Highlights: Pastwatch; The Redemption of Christopher Columbus and the Alvin Maker books. Ender: Duh. Of course. : )

      Anything by Sheri S. Tepper. She won't be to everyone's taste, but she's always very imaginative. And very feminist. Be warned.

      Signal to Noise and Signal Shattered by Eric S. Nylund. Imaginative and dark.

      Deepness in the Sky and Fire upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge.

      Uplift War series (9 books?) by David Brin.

      If you haven't read it, turn into a thirteen year old again and read The Belgariad and The Malloreon by David Eddings. The rest of his books get a bit tiresome but the first ten have legs. Also, while in the same mindset, the first three Dragonlance books by Weis and Hickman (Dragons of Autumn Twilight &c) are worthwhile and not too masturbatory.

      Hmmm....what else? OOOH!

      Rudy Rucker. His 'ware series (Software, Wetware, Freeware, Realware) is funny cyberpunk. Saucer Wisdom is...indescribable and bizarre.

      That should keep you busy. Let me know when you're done with these.

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    43. Re:Fantasy? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Oooh, seconded. The humor-density in the Myth books is pretty darn impressive.

      Discworld is cute, but not worth reading all of. And this is from somebody who thinks a 500 page book is two days' light reading. : )

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    44. Re:Fantasy? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I found GRRM to be like Goodkind, only not a wacko objectivist. And grittier. Kills characters left right and center. I'm eager for his next book, but Goodkind has fallen off my "must buy!" list. When he fell, he hit Robert Jordan and broke the guy's leg. So if the next book is even later and less focused, sorry fanboys, it's my fault.

      Oooh! Harry Harrison's Hammer and Cross series was fun, too.

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    45. Re:Fantasy? by revividus · · Score: 1
      I couldn't agree more (re: Jordan's writing). I tried recently to reread the series so I could catch up to the end, but I got bored. It's hard to remain interested when you barely care if the characters live or die.


      I'm going to recommend Jack Vance's Dying Earth books, and Gene Wolfe's New Sun books. They're so good I probably should have posted this in the main thread, but, whatever.

    46. Re:Fantasy? by Khelder · · Score: 1

      The Wheel of Time starts out very promising, but it drags on and on. I read the first 5 or so and decided nothing would ever actually be resolved so I gave up.

      A *much* better current fantasy series is George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire". The first 3 books are out as of now: "A Game of Thrones", "A Clash of Kings", and "A Storm of Swords." It's about political mechanications among the noble houses of a medieval-tech-level fantasy kingdom. Its intricacies remind me of Dune. One thing I really like is that it's one of the most suspenseful sci-fi/fantasy books I've read because the author lets really bad things happen to major characters. Some might find it a bit grim or depressing because of that, but I think that's a great feature (at least for a change).

    47. Re:Fantasy? by Zelphyr · · Score: 0

      A Game of Thrones. Definintely a great Fantasy series.

    48. Re:Fantasy? by Tower · · Score: 1

      He can't finish the series...

      The Wheel of Time turns and Books come and go, leaving plot lines that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Book that gave it birth returns again as the next book in the series. In the First, Second, Third, Fourth....Ninth, and Tenth Books, an Book of Prophecy, when the World and Time themselves hang in the balance, a wind rises in the mountains of mist, but none of the characters take any action...

      In the series, there is neither a beginning nor an end, but each book *is* a beginning, since it rehashes the previous books in the series in the first 500 pages.

      If we are all lucky, it will end like Shakespeare - everyone ends up in love or hate, and they all die.

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    49. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire". If you want to lose yourself for a month in a fantasy universe peopled with full-developed, believable, likable, despicable characters involved in gripping situations. THE very best fantasy series I've ever encountered. And original besides.

      Iznogoud

    50. Re:Fantasy? by sindarin2001 · · Score: 1

      I thought the first two books of the Sword of Truth series were good, but the others seemed to lack something. They aren't bad books, just that they get too repetative (maybe that's just my opinion). Seems to me that the whole series is becoming entirely too long, though all in all it isn't a bad series. The first two are definatelly worth the read.

    51. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best fantasy I have read in a while is George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire trilogy (so far). The books are _A_Game_of_Thrones_, _A_Clash_of_Kings_ and _A_Storm_of_Swords_. The fourth is due out sometime later this year. Highly recommended if you like fantasy. Beats Jordan at his own game, IMHO.

    52. Re:Fantasy? by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      The "A song of ice and fire" series is better, imo. I just finished SoS and it's incredible. Also Martin plans to actually end the series. Jordan will die writing WoT. It's still a good read, but ASoIaF is better.

    53. Re:Fantasy? by bazcewel · · Score: 1

      A word of warning. Night's Dawn Trilogy by Hamilton is really sick stuff with torture, mutilation and was written with the intention of turning anyone's stomach.

    54. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best part is when the guy Rand instructs another jedi to train a 1000 more jedi. They finish their training just in time to kill all the fremen that come to attack.

    55. Re:Fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not terribly fond of that other geek fantasy perennial, Pratchett, either; the first few books in the Discworld series struck me as fluffy to the point of content-free.

      Even Pratchett will admit to that. They get much better over time - it's generally recommended that newbies pick a later book to start with.

    56. Re:Fantasy? by WowTIP · · Score: 1

      Then The Gap series probably isn't recommended for you either.

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  8. How about... by ath0mic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...something not "scifi-geek-hacker" for a change? It's a big world out there.

    1. Re:How about... by Cire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right. Read Down and out in Paris and London by George Orwell. One of the best books I've read in a long time.


      Cire

    2. Re:How about... by squarefish · · Score: 1

      the dirt by motley crue- it's great!

      I'm almost done with 'if chins could kill' by bruce campbell and it's pretty damn good too.

      I know a book by/about motley crue sounds strange, but just trust me on this one- here's what wammo had to say:

      Whew, I feel better. And now for something completely different. A few days ago, I was in Powell's bookstore in Portland and I happened across a copy of The Dirt by Motley Crue. I don't own any Motley Crue albums. I saw a few of their videos and didn't pay much attention. I met Nikki Sixx at the Black Cat through a mutual friend and gave him shit about his warpaint. Let's just say, I'm not the biggest Motley Crue fan. Now i can say this. THIS IS THE BEST FUCKING BOOK ABOUT ROCK AND ROLL I HAVE EVER READ. Anyone into Spinal Tap, Hard Core Logo, L.A. glitz or tales of degradation, travel and excess must read this sucker. I haven't been able to put it down. I started two days ago and I'm almost through. Hell, I'll probably reread it before I get home on Sunday. There, I said it. Shit, I might even go out and buy Dr. Feelgood, used of course..

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    3. Re:How about... by tomakaan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd definitely have to agree with ya there. Explore! I have to recommend anything by Tom Clancy. You should be kept interested by the constant changing of seemingly unrelated plots that, in the end, all wind together.

    4. Re:How about... by madfgurtbn · · Score: 3, Informative

      More non-hacker-specific suggestions:

      Water-Method Man, John Irving
      Sound and Fury, Falkner
      Of Human Bondage, Maugham (Perfect for someone just getting out of school)
      All Quiet on the Wester Front. (Not exactly a day-brightener, but should be required reading for all humans)

      A good proto-hacker story is A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Mark Twain was a bit of a technology buff/hacker himself, and a failed VC. IIRC, he blew his Huckleberry Finn/Tom Sawyer fortune on some kind of early typesetting machine or typewriter or something. I suppose I could look it up if I felt like it, but Google is way over on that other tab in Moz.

      But yeah, try something non-hacker once in a while. It's good and good for you.

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    5. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to recommend an Irving, I'd go for A Prayer for Owen Meaney.

    6. Re:How about... by coupland · · Score: 1

      How about something not "scifi-geek-hacker" for a change? It's a big world out there...

      You mean like something about cracking instead?

    7. Re:How about... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heaven and Hell - about Led Zeppelin

      The Culture books by Iain Banks - I would start with Player of Games or Use of Weapons

      The Bear Went over the Mountain - Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan

      Cartoon History of the Universe series Volumes 1-3

    8. Re:How about... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      This is a great book, and an absoulutely hilarious pick for someone who has just finished school and is about to start working for a living.

    9. Re:How about... by ldspartan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert M. Pirsig. Buy it from Amazon.

      The book is neither about Zen Buddhism or motorcycle maintenance. Its tremendously good, and thought provoking, particularly for those analytical minds out there. I can't recommend it enough.

    10. Re:How about... by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

      Yes. Yes. Yes.

      It doesn't have to be sci-fi to be mind-bending. Try "The Crying of Lot 49" by Pynchon. Almost anything by Nabokov is great. If you don't want to invest in a whole novel, try his "Nabokov's dozen" collection of short stories. Short stories in general are a lot of fun. Get one of those big fat books of collected short stories - American Authors, Great Fiction, etc. It's a great way to introduce yourself to authors you might otherwise never read. If you like their short stuff, then you might decide to invest time in some of their more substantial work. Collections of Sci-Fi short stories are fun in the same way. Twain. Dostoevsky. Dickens. These names have staying power for a reason. Myself, I'm not very good at picking up contemporary authors. I let the test of time do my work for me. Pure laziness. But I'll accept suggestions from people I trust. And I put books down and quit when I don't like them. You're not obligated to finish... Don't buy them. Use the library.

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    11. Re:How about... by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 1
      Most definately.

      For those that don't know, Simon Birch was adapted from Owen Meany. Though alot is left out of the movie, and the ending changes.

    12. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Lila, the pre-quel, is great read as well

    13. Re:How about... by roju · · Score: 1

      I'd recommened buying used books over going to the library. It's cheap (for me, cheaper than the fines I always end up paying at the library) and you can pick up the books at your own pace as the mood strikes you.

      Plus, when you're done with the book, you can pass it on, burn it, resell it, or put it on the shelf if you ever want to read it again. I like to keep stuff I've read just so I don't accidently buy/borrow it again.

    14. Re:How about... by markjrubin · · Score: 0

      I 2nd this whole heartedly. I didn't dig Mitnick's book.

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    15. Re:How about... by DenOfEarth · · Score: 1

      Yeh man, you can't go wrong with Mark Twain. My suggestion to the person looking for the book to read is maybe to find a good collection of short stories. They're oh so underrated, and not to mention the fact that you can mix up so many of them together...I'll say, that's good.

    16. Re:How about... by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      No kidding.

      The writing's often better, as well, in genres where you need something more than a lurid cover or a connection to a televison/movie franchise to be a hit.

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    17. Re:How about... by simeonbeta2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok. How about books that have some philosophical meat on which to chew. Tom Wolfe's A Man in Full and Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged spring to mind. (Parenthetically, while I wouldn't say I'm an "objectivist", I just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time. I was recently perusing the hof when I saw this interview with Ralph Nader. Read his answer to question 3. Nader is a deeply immoral man.)

      Back to the question. You could just try a different genre than scifi/techno-thriller. How about crime noir (Raymond Chandler's books) or some serious historical writing (try reading Shelby Foote's series on the Civil War).

      I realise that this may not be exactly what you are looking for, but geek encompasses a lot more than specifically technical or fantasy/sci-fi writing. Part of being a geek is the ability to immerse deeply in and think critically about the task at hand. Philosophy, history, culture, ethics, theology... Good literature that grapples with deep questions is always worth exploring.

    18. Re:How about... by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

      I vented above about Twain, hate his work.

      A much better writer of that period is Bret Harte. I read a collection of his short stories a while ago. Very good writing, more of a western, cowboy type writer. I would put him in the same category as Jack London, if you have read London's short stories.

    19. Re:How about... by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it's a great book! One of my favorite parts is how he describes the antogonism between the cooks and the waiters in the Parisian restaurants. Between that and the ungodly heat in the kitchen, it always strikes me as funny the parallels between those early 20th century French restaurants and fast-food restaurants (and probably any other restaurant) of today.

      Also, the bit where Orwell points out how the more expensive the restaurant, the more people have touched the food always kills me. Classic!

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    20. Re:How about... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

      Or something more modern. Anything by Chuck Palahniuk is pretty good. He was the author of Fight Club, which is a good read, but short. Survivor was also excellent. Hell, I don't think he's written a bad book. The only real problem with his writing is that it all kinda sounds the same, but he really is an incredible writer. If you liked the movie Fight Club, you probably shouldn't bother with the book, but you'd be insane not to check out some of Palahniuk's other books.

    21. Re:How about... by Vann_v2 · · Score: 1

      Blah. Rand can kiss my butt. Particularly her attacks against Kant are completely absurd, especially since she incorporates many large parts of his philosophy into hers.

      She is to philosophy what a child armed with an Easy-Bake Oven is to a real chef. That is to say, cute, mildly diverting, but in the end someone whose taste we eventually grow past.

      If you want philosophy your time would be better spent reading actual philosophers than her, uh, "literature."

    22. Re:How about... by lazar23 · · Score: 1

      falkner? only if you're interested in the engineering behind a writing style that isn't fascinating enough to hold up a bad story. try irving stone's the agony and the ecstasy as a non-scifi summer read. you'll feel like you've caught up on some good travel as you explore michaelangelo's florence and run around with the medici's.

    23. Re: How about... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > All Quiet on the Wester Front. (Not exactly a day-brightener, but should be required reading for all humans)

      Then read the section about WWI in Robert Graves' half-autobiography, Good-Bye to All That.

      *shudder*

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    24. Re:How about... by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and how about some Vonnegut? Slaughterhouse-Five is supposedly his masterpiece, though I liked Breakfast of Champions better. I read Deadeye Dick recently, and that was among the best of his books that I've read.

      Catch-22 is a classic I've been meaning to re-read at some point...maybe this will make me get around to it.

      And if you're looking for a series, try Sherlock Holmes. That should keep you busy the whole summer or more.

      Just a few from the top of my head.

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      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
    25. Re:How about... by awful · · Score: 1

      Or what about classic Samurai fiction? Try the story of Miyamoto Musashi, Japan's greatest swordsman. Oevr a thousand pages and all good.
      Musashi

    26. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hehe I cringed when someone actually recommended "Atlas Shrugged" as an enjoyable read. That book is 1000+ pages long and pretty bad for a novel. As a philosophy book it is even worse.

      Read Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff if you are interested in Objectivism. Personally, I think there are better ways to waste your time.

    27. Re:How about... by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Or the Tao of Physics...oops, that's nerdy. Think non-nerd...

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    28. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I just wish more people would read Keep the Aspidistra Flying by Orwell, too. Now there's a great book.

    29. Re:How about... by sabNetwork · · Score: 1

      YES!

      I second your recommendation!

      That is the single most undervalued book of Orwell's. One of the best first person narratives I've ever read.

    30. Re:How about... by The_dev0 · · Score: 1

      Perfume by Patrick Suskind is a book I can highly recommend. It is not as poncy as it sounds, it's the tale of a perfumer in 18th (?) Century france who will go to any length to obtain the perfect fragrance, even to the extent of murder. Check out some of the reviews on Amazon to get a feel of the story. It really is an excellent read.

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    31. Re:How about... by The_dev0 · · Score: 1

      Mate, I agree. I should also let you know that one of the best biographies i've read in a while is titled "Is That It?" and is written by Sir Bob Geldof, of all people. Now I don't like him or his music, but it really is a good read for the same reasons. Lots of underground London punk/music scene in the late 70's early 80's.

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    32. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Razor's Edge is also good. I know someone who dropped out of school after reading it.

    33. Re:How about... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      If Rand is absurd Kant is only good for a laugh. You call his ranting 'philosophy'? The guy's a shill, a con, and a really bad one at that.

      Rand was spot-on in her analysis of Kant et. al. Self-indulgent masturbatory worshipping of their own intellects, devolving into deliberately vague word-play good only for confusing the weak-minded.

      Max

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    34. Re:How about... by sh!va · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Continuing down the non-hacker line, I love Salman Rushdie. His non-linearity never fails to amaze me.

      I loved Fury and Midnight's Children. Reading Satanic Verses right now and The Ground Beneath Her Feet is on my post-graduation list.

      Also try Bill Bryson's books. A Walk In The Woods is very good.

      Cry of the Kalahari was one my favourite books of all time.

      Surely You're Joking, My Feynman - while not very "non-hacker", this book is _the_best_ I've read. Funny, nay hilarious, witty, amazing. Quite a few things to learn.

      Finally, if you're coming out of tech school with an engineering degree or something of the sort, (ie without a significant liberal arts background) now might be a good time to round off your educations with some books about religion, philosophy, economics, politics and business (to name a few). While the subjects might sound drab, you might just find your calling (econ for me).

      Happy reading.

    35. Re:How about... by zizzo · · Score: 1

      My two favorite books are probably:

      Fiction: Try Michael Chabon's "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay"

      Non-fiction: Laurie Garrett's "The Coming Plague"

      They're both on the large size but they are so engaging you won't notice how heavy they are.

    36. Re:How about... by Oscar_Wilde · · Score: 1

      Damn right. Read Down and out in Paris and London by George Orwell. One of the best books I've read in a long time.

      If you're in Australia you can get it for free at Project Gutenberg Australia.

      Ah how nice it is to live in a land with "short" copyright.

    37. Re:How about... by simeonbeta2 · · Score: 1

      Remember, binaryhead asked for book ideas. You may or may not agree with Rand, but Atlas Shrugged is still pretty good reading (aside from the 60 page John Galt monologue at the end). On the other hand I've never been able to read Kant. Study, yes, read no.

    38. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you go back to Oprah's book club, ma.

    39. Re:How about... by thebillionaire · · Score: 1

      Here's a few that I've finished recently:


      Fiction

      The Heaven of Mercury by Brad Watson
      Beautiful story about a lifelong love that never was. Set in small-town Mississippi. Perfect dialogue. Very Southern.

      Under the Frog by Tibor Fischer
      Black comedy set in Hungary around the late 40s and 50s. Follows a gang of cut-ups that dodge the army by serving as the country's second-string basketball team. Hilarious and sad. An interesting look at communism in post-WWII Hungary. This one may take some work to get through, but it pays off.

      The Sailor who Fell from Grace with the Sea by Yukio Mishima
      I don't want to give anything away. A really good story, and a fast read.

      Palladio by Jonathon Dee
      Another one I don't want to say too much about -- mainly because there's so much going on. But advertising, love and redemption all play big roles. Top-notch writing.


      Non-Fiction

      Black Hawk Down by Mark Bowden
      I haven't seen the movie, but the book is great.

      Home: A Short History of an Idea by Witold Rybczyski
      Rybczyski tries to identify the point at which our concept of "home" emerged in history. Focuses on how the home was used socially and how that played into the design of dwellings and the technology in them.

      The Book on the Bookshelf by Henry Petroski
      Another excellent book about how things work. Petroski's got a whole bunch of these. I've only read this one. He looks at the transformation of books and bookshelves by social and technological forces.

      How Buildings Learn by Stewart Brand
      Brand looks at buildings and why some buildings last while others are razed. He looks at ways buildings have and can be adapted to support the needs of their users. He's also very critical of modern architecture's focus on creating structures that look good on magazine covers but fail to serve the needs of the people that use them (hence no people in those glossy photos of building facades). The book also has a great bibliography for further reading about architecture.

    40. Re:How about... by simong_oz · · Score: 3, Informative

      great suggestion. Here's some of my favourites, fiction & non-fiction. You'll probably spot some themes :)

      NON-FICTION:
      * Joe Simpson - Touching the Void ("Dark Shadows Falling" is good too, but "Touching the Void" is the one you won't be able to put down)
      * Jon Krakauer - Into Thin Air (you should probably also read Anatoli Boukreev's "The Climb" for his account of the Everest tragedy, though it's nowhere near as good a book as Krakauer's)
      * Nick Hornby - Fever Pitch (for all sports fans)
      * Steven Vogel - Cats' Paws and Catapults: Mechanical Worlds of Nature and People
      * Simon Winchester - The Map That Changed the World
      * David Attenborough - Life On Air (biography)

      FICTION:
      * George RR Martin - A Song of Ice and Fire series
      * Kim Stanley Robinson - Red Mars (the rest of the trilogy is also good, but nowhere near as good as the first book IMO)
      * Matthew Reilly - Ice Station (I challenge anyone to put this down once the action starts)
      * Erich Maria Remarque - All Quiet on the Western Front (should be required reading for everyone)
      * Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich
      * Stephen King - Christine
      * Robert Ludlum - The Bourne Identity (please don't judge this on the movie - the book is on another level)
      * John Fowles - The Collector
      * Douglas Adams - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series

      there's lots more, but hopefully there's some decent ideas for someone there.

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      "Because it's there." - George Mallory, when asked why he wanted to climb Mt Everest, March 18, 1923 (New York Times)
    41. Re:How about... by groomed · · Score: 1

      The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann.

    42. Re:How about... by hey · · Score: 1

      If you are interested in Orwell you might also like this site: orwelltoday... it describes now the present has become "1984". Too scary to read for very long.

    43. Re:How about... by beeshman · · Score: 1

      Thomas Pynchon is incredible. If you want a real challenge, do try to get through Gravity's Rainbow. Once you get into the second part, it's an incredible read. It is well worth the effort. I would also recommend Mason & Dixon. A long read for sure, and the 17th century diction takes a bit of getting used to, but it's marvelously surreal, funny, and altogether entertaining.

    44. Re:How about... by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Self-indulgent masturbatory worshipping of their own intellects, devolving into deliberately vague word-play good only for confusing the weak-minded.

      Wow, that's about as good a summary of Rand's work that I've seen! Atlas Shrugged (which I was really looking forward to when I read it) is nothing more than a contrived morality play, with characters about as interesting and complicated as your average pro wrestler...

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    45. Re:How about... by denisonbigred · · Score: 1

      The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon. It's an incredibly well written (pulitzer prize winning) novel set in the golden age of comics, right after WW2. It is about 600 pages and i finished it in 3 nights, I couldnt put it down.

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      "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals."
    46. Re:How about... by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 1

      I love reading Rushdie's books. Full of such vivid imagry, and you can watch how the author is evolving as a person through all his books.

    47. Re:How about... by barkerway · · Score: 1

      A sampling of some of the best books I've read recently:

      Good to Great, Jim Collins
      The Inmates are Running the Asylum, Alan Cooper
      Now, Discover Your Strengths, Marcus Buckingham and Donald Clifton
      Piloting Palm, David Pogue
      Made in America, Sam Walton
      Remains of the Day, Kazuo Ishiguro
      My American Journey, Colin Powell
      Learned Optimism, Martin Seligman

    48. Re:How about... by mattsucks · · Score: 1

      The Once and Future King, by T. H. White. It is a telling of the Arthurian legend, but it is done with such style and grace that it had me in tears by the end.

    49. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLEASE DO! It is a huge literary world out there. Read something you wouldn't ordinarily read. Pick up some Richard Russo or Michael Chabon. Ask your mother what the last good book she read was, or a friend in a reading group. I bet you already knew what slashdot would tell you to read...all the standard geek reading.

      The reading list provided in this whole topic is almost all old and tired...pick up something brand new.

      I love re-reading Tolkien, but you need variety, or your reading brain will stagnate. Break out...read some historical novels. Look for Ghost Soldiers...amazing POW rescue in the Phillipines. I took 2 hour lunches and got in trouble at work so I could finish it. You want summer fluff...read Jon Krakauer's outdoorsy adventure novels based on true events and real people.

      No one will read this post because it is in the middle of everyone else's...but you hacker nerd readers need me! BRANCH OUT! Best thing I ever did.

    50. Re:How about... by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Finally, if you're coming out of tech school with an engineering degree or something of the sort, (ie without a significant liberal arts background) now might be a good time to round off your educations with some books about religion, philosophy, economics, politics and business (to name a few). While the subjects might sound drab, you might just find your calling (econ for me).

      Second that! One of the best things my undergraduate education did for us engineers was require much more English/Lit classes than just Freshman Comp 101.
      I just finished The Virgin's Knot last night. It inspired me to Google around to learn enough about weaving to try making a tiny piece of fabric with found cotton twine. Beautiful story.
      Every human on the planet should read Gabriel Garcia-Marquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude at least once. Someday I will read it in its original Spanish. It's that good! Love in the Time of Cholera is an easier and quicker read, but not quite as good.
      I also have started The Portable MBA cause I want a better understanding of the aspects of business I don't know about. Cost me $1 at Half-Price books.
      Marcia Stigum's The Money Market might be a bit dated now (I read it back in '88) but it clarified a lot about how money makes more money. Anyone know an easy introduction to corporate finance for an EE/SW geek?

      Recently enjoyed-
      The Door Into Summer - Heinlein
      Blue Champagne - Varley
      Effective Java - good. Although I only use Java for my home projects. Work is C++
      Real Time Design Patterns
      Erotic Nudes (actually this is my gf's book, but the photography is spectacular)

      On my radar, or in progress:
      The Hagakure - Book of the Samurai
      The Sheltering Sky

      More generally: find a library or a good used bookstore and just browse. When you're paying $0.50 for a paperback, you can afford to make a few mistakes in your choices. I also have found a lot of great books -- and great OLD books (I have a few novels from the mid 19th century I paid no more than $1 or so for) at library sales.

    51. Re:How about... by m_xiphias · · Score: 1

      Two good books which I recently began to read are Founding Brothers and HW Brands' The First American (Benjamin Franklin)

      Though I may like them simply for my recent interest in learning more about the American founding fathers, there are many interesting points in both to pick up. Franklin definitely had the hacker spirit, and Jefferson/Washington/etc were great men. You don't necessarily have to be an American to enjoy these books, either.

      Any others have any comments on these books?

    52. Re:How about... by abelenky17 · · Score: 1

      From the Non-fiction department: Bringing Down the House -True story of card-counting techies who take casinos for millions of dollars, their ups-n-downs, and how it eventually fell apart. MoneyBall -Story of the Oakland A's baseball team using economics and analysis to find "diamond-in-the-rough" players, and use their full potential to defeat better funded teams.

    53. Re:How about... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Ok, Despite your critique, Rand is a must read. Along with Heinlein, Rand demonstrates what most people do not fully comprehend, that someone who is an anarchist may not be anti government, or even anti Order.

      Also, on Rand, Like Tolkein there are parts(the sermons for Rand and the poetry for Tolkein) that can be skipped without making the story incomprehensible or confusing.

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    54. Re:How about... by Hast · · Score: 1

      Personally I found Atlas Shrugged to be one of the most boring books I have ever read. And I didn't find it hard to read, just really really boring. Besides, it contains enough logical errors to drive an entire horde of elephants through. (Easiest example is how she claims that objectivism is supposed to be rational and only based on logic. Yet most of the time in Atlas Shrugged is spent making us feel sorry for the "good industrialists", so she's basing the entire book on feelings. Stuff like that, just made me annoyed.)

      The general idea is good, it just takes to frigging long to get anywhere. I did read it through though, and personally I didn't find the speech in the end that bad. I was skipping paragraphs by then so I was used to it.

  9. Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good book, includes guys wearing bow down for I am root T-Shirts.

    1. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read that book, I have to say, that it wasn't that good... I read ALOT of Crichton books in Middle and High School and loved almost every book I read (all but The Great Train Robbery). Almost all his books after J. Park read like screen plays.

      All-in-all, Prey is a good book, but its really, really easy too read and kind of predictable.

      If you like Crichton read Timeline, that one was also pretty good.

    2. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Michael Crichton, I like Timeline. Actually, I think I had more fun reading the books referred to in the back of the Novel. There's a couple of interesting theories on what one author terms the "multiverse." Puts a creepy spin on the classic laser-through-parallel-slits experiment that you see in physics classes.

      I also loved Sphere. Just a great sci-fi story.

    3. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by rzbx · · Score: 1

      This is exactly the book I was going to recommend. It has to do with AI (swarm AI), nanotechnology, and programming (sort of). I'm not a fiction reader. The book just happened to be sitting on a shelf at work and I have time to read where I work (projection booth), so I read it. I have to say it is a good read though. I also happened to read 1984 at work as well, also a good read.

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      Question everything.
    4. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1

      Probably the only novel that my research supervisor (we're doing stuff on swarm intelligence) will ever approve of reading, instead of coding the damn project! :-D

    5. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creighton's best book is nonfiction and called Travels. It is a collection of his own experiences (as you might guess). The opening sentence explains the difficulty of sawing a human head in half...

      Great stuff, and you find out the source of many of his novels. As excellent as his fiction works are, his characters are always a bit wooden. With 'Travels' I found that he is a much better nonfiction writer than a ficton writer.

    6. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by Surf_in_Vietnam · · Score: 1

      Right now i'm reading this book... I'm working with GA in my thesis and it's really cool the way the book show's Artificial Life

    7. Re:Michael Crighton(sp?)'s "Prey" by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      I'll have to disagree here.
      If you are hoping for a geeky book, you will be disappointed in the watered-down technology. If you are reading it as a just a way to pass the weekend, you will be disappointed in the story. Very few high points in an otherwise predictable plot.
      Re-read Sphere, The Terminal Man, or The Andromeda Strain instead.

  10. Robert Anton Wilson by barkingcorndog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good stuff to read before starting your first job. Check out the Illuminatus! trilogy.

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    1. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by farrellj · · Score: 1

      YES YES YES!!!!!

      Anything by this great writer!

      Not only that, but it adds IQ points with every book read! Really!

      Hail Eris!
      Farrell

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    2. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by ibbey · · Score: 1

      Seconded. A great book!

    3. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by Nutrimentia · · Score: 2, Informative

      Illuminatus! Trilogy
      Shroedinger's Cat Trilogy
      Masks of the Illuminati

      This is a trilogy of sorts that includes trilogies for the first 2 books of the trilogy. Great reading though, very stimulating, funny, and you'll probably learn something.

      The Principia Discordia is a fun read too, and available online. Better to check it out as a book and randomly flip through it though.

    4. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by dsplat · · Score: 1

      Hail Eris!

      All hail Discordia!

      See the lovely fnords.

      I read the entire Illuminatis trilogy straight through in about 3 days. I think I was supposed to be doing something else at the time. Never trust anyone with the initials H.C.

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    5. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by moyix · · Score: 1

      Plus, once you've read Illuminatus! and looked a little bit into Discordianism, you get some of the more esoteric geek jokes...

      One thing I thought was cute:

      moyix@moyix:~/tarballs/gaim-0.61$ grep -ir fnord * | wc -l
      26
      moyix@moyix:~/tarballs/gaim-0.61$

      Any package created using automake/autoconf has its Makefiles seeded with fnords :)

      -Brendan

    6. Re:Robert Anton Wilson by micker · · Score: 1

      Along the same vein, Hakim Bey's TAZ, Temporary Autonomous Zones is a must read for anyone pondering the future of networks in general (all types of networks, not just computer.) Some of the technology is a bit dated, it was written in the mid 80's and comments on the bbs scene, but his ideas are still quite valid today.

      I belive there's a version that was published that also includes his essays and communiques on Ontological Anarchism.

      Probably one of the best fringe philosophers in print. You'll learn something from this one.....

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      Words are only yours until someone else uses them...
  11. Dune by DarkSkiesAhead · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I have to recommend the old sci-fi classic, Dune. It did a marvelous job of creating a strange yet self-consistent world. Gread read. The other books in the series are sometimes dry and uninteresting, but still worth it.

    1. Re:Dune by sykora · · Score: 1

      I thought the series was good until after "God Emperor of Dune" if you can get that far. Many can't. I found it difficult to read after the fourth book because the characters I really enjoyed were all gone. I know that's not really the point of the stories, but it still makes it more difficult.

    2. Re:Dune by Vann_v2 · · Score: 1

      I loved the God Emperor of Dune because it was the culmination of Herbert's treatment of philosophy and evolution, at least in my eyes. Though I can certainly imagine a reaction along the lines of "GIGANTIC WORM KING?! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!"

      In fact, the latter reaction is probably the most common.

    3. Re:Dune by El · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes and no. If Frank Herbert had stopped at two books, I would have said it was a great story. Unfortunately, after the second book they get more and more incoherent and harder to follow. The theory is he was able to afford too many drugs after selling the first two...

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    4. Re:Dune by Ha-reed · · Score: 1

      Up through God Emperor Herbert is continuing the story of Muad'Dib - what with the Golden Path and the transformation of society. The end of Dune Messiah leaves too big of a loose end (the children) to be considered a good breaking point for a story - the original is the only one that really stands on its own.

      After God Emperor, save for Duncan we lose the original characters, but Heretics in my opinion is one of the more interesting Dune stories, due to Herbert's treatment of sex and its place in society.

    5. Re:Dune by Kairos21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think dune was a great series. In respons to the last two books, most people complain that none of the original characters were in it and it was hard to understand. My take on those two books were that they were the start of a new series based on the dune universe. Rather than Herbert making an entirely new universe with new rules an new characters, he simply set his new story thousands of years after the original dune books. For those that haven't read the last two books I'd say hold off for two years when the seventh and final dune book will be out. Hopefully Herbert's son can follow his fathers notes well enough, as his prequals are excelent.

    6. Re:Dune by Leto2 · · Score: 1

      Dune post! I have to make my mandatory post now...

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    7. Re:Dune by docj · · Score: 1

      I have to say that Dune has got to be one of the best epics ever. Beats LOTR by a long shot. The recent film remake(s) really pull out the Shakspearian potential of the epic too.

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    8. Re:Dune by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      i just started reading god emperor a few days ago, and i must say i don't think i'll ever get tired of Frank Herbert's writing style.

      I know all the old characters are gone.. except for poor Duncan Idaho.. seriously, he's the perfect example of why there SHOULDN'T have been very many recurring characters in the series..

      so you're a .. worm? fuck this, stop respawning me

    9. Re:Dune by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Come on. The Spider Queen works for Catholics, why not a Worm King?

      : )

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    10. Re:Dune by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Huh? Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were practically two parts of the same book, especially given that DM was quite short.

      God Emperor of Dune worked well to tie off the themes raised in the first Dune book -- he should have left it after that.

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    11. Re:Dune by sykora · · Score: 1

      I thought the reoccurance of Duncan through the series was well done. In fact, I think he was the real 'hero' in the series since he lasts despite his own will. Oh no, I was never tired of Herbert's style. I adored the books. I just couldn't get into "Heretics". "God Emperor" is my favorite behind "Dune".

  12. How about, by Bold+Marauder · · Score: 1

    the unix haters' handbook? It's FREE! You like FREE, dont' you?!?!

  13. For Brain or Pleasure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming, by Sussman and Ableson, a book from MIT using scheme as a teaching language but for than language it teaches invaluable concepts.

    Apart from that I like crime fiction by Michael Connelly, not exactly typical slashdot fodder, but hey you asked.....

    1. Re:For Brain or Pleasure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In response to the Sussman/Ableson book suggestion, I would like to add a couple of items and a correction. First off, it is a truly remarkable book when combined with the VIDEO LECTURES!!!!! available for download from M.I.T., Beware though, it's about 8.85 gigs worth of divx. Also it is reccommended as reference for those with some prior knowledge of programming through something like Python(love it) at least. It's all taught in LISP(ugh), but the course is more of a metalinguistic analysis of programming languages in general and very good despite its age ca. 1986. So if you ever really wanted to understand what good things like: (DEFINE FOO (x y) (lambda(x) lambda(y)(x+y))) are, and so much more, then this course should satisfy.

  14. SciFi/Fantasy. by gnuadam · · Score: 1

    I rather liked Neil Gaiman's "American Gods."

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    1. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Have you read Neverwhere, also by Gaiman? Probably my favorite of his books. As much as I liked American Gods, Neverwhere was better.

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    2. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by deke_2503 · · Score: 1

      Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett is also an excellent read. Funny, interesting, insightful, and underrated at the same time!

    3. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by sykora · · Score: 1

      On that note, read the Sandman series eventhough its a graphic novel. Also, if you can get your hands on "Angels and Visitations" by Gaiman, read it. (Also, cherish it because its so hard to find)

    4. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that there's too much porn in it. Otherwise it's quite good.

    5. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Neverwhere had more characterization and more detail, really, and in that particular work Gaiman apparently didn't feel compelled to insert gratuitious text about a taxi driver fellating an efreet.

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    6. Re:SciFi/Fantasy. by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Neverwhere was definitely a solid story, but I think Gaiman's writing style in AG was more mature. Perhaps I'm missing the point of Neverwhere, but I found it to be incoherent at times. Not that this detracts from the story, I guess it's a matter of personal taste that I liked AG better. Also worth reading is Star....Stardust? It's a love story, I guess, and it reads like a feature-length fairy tale, but I enjoy that sort of thing now and then.

      Has anyone else read his take on the Snow White story? It was very twisted, and very very good.

  15. Try Stanislaw Lem! by NortWind · · Score: 1

    I recommend his book "Cyberiad" in particular...

    1. Re:Try Stanislaw Lem! by iion_tichy · · Score: 1

      Cool, how could I forget Lem, given that I borrowed my nick from the hero of 'The Star Diaries' ;-)

      That's also were I read my first Matrix-like story, roughly 20 years ago. Tichy meets a guy who emulates people's lifes with boxes full of tapes that are the different paths they can chose. He descibes the people's lives. Of course one of them is a guy who emulates peoples lifes etc.

      Although sometimes with Lem I think you have to be willing to skip entire paragraphs. He seems to fall into a frency of genious at time and get lost in word games.

      Cyberiad and it's sequel are very nice, as well, and extremely well suited for geeks, I suppose.

    2. Re:Try Stanislaw Lem! by richieb · · Score: 1
      That's also were I read my first Matrix-like story, roughly 20 years ago. Tichy meets a guy who emulates people's lifes with boxes full of tapes that are the different paths they can chose. He descibes the people's lives. Of course one of them is a guy who emulates peoples lifes etc.

      Yea! That was one of the first Lem stories I read when I was 12 (which was a long looooong time ago...). I've read everything he wrote since then...

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    3. Re:Try Stanislaw Lem! by wagemonkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yea! That was one of the first Lem stories I read when I was 12 (which was a long looooong time ago...). I've read everything he wrote since then...

      My favourite was his "Shopping List 4th April 1980" :-)

      I recommend "Tales of Pirx The Pilot" - at least I think that's the title.

  16. Cuckoo's Egg by cvanaver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cuckoo's Egg: Tracking a Spy Through the Maze of Computer Espionage by Cliff Stoll

    Good documentary account of tracing international hackers from a sysadmin-like guy's point of view. A little dated now but well-written, humorous and very entertaining.

    1. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to post this book as well. Excellent read - even if dated, he spins a great suspense story. Just thinking about it makes me want to read it again. Did I say that it's an excellent read?

    2. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I read this after a previous slashdot recommendation, and I'm afraid I have to un-recommend it. There just isn't as much story as verbiage. In fact Stoll's pursuit contribution to the case amounted to 1) detecting the intruder and 2) dogging the cops to do a wiretap and make the bust, which we never learn much about. I din't find it all that technically intriguing.

    3. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Try the cookie recipe at the bottom of the page near the middle of the book -- they are quite tastey

    4. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great book in the genre you are seeking. I don't read books or watch movies more than once, but have reread this book numerous times. It was a huge success on the NY Times best seller list indicating that it had popular appeal as well. It is however, technically accurate unlike other popular hacking stories.

    5. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highly recommended. It's pretty cool, and Stoll makes a lot of interesting observations. I liked how he managed to get the two other sys admins personalitys down and into the plot, as well as how he managed to incorporate politics into it. And not in a mean way!

    6. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      For me it's interesting not from a technical POV, which is all very dated anyway, but as one man's journey into hackerdom. It's a fascinating insight into the culture as it was at the time. Maybe more so because I'm on the other side of the pond, and knew less about that era in the U.S. than a statesider would.

    7. Re:Cuckoo's Egg by BigDaddy · · Score: 1

      I'll second. One of my favorite reads. I always seem to come back to it every few years. Now if I can just remember who I loaned it to last.....

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  17. Summer Reading by methangel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recommend The Hobbit or anything else by J.R.R. Tolkien

    Or if you have already read those too many times, try out The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis ... it was a great series.

  18. Wheel of Time by jmkaza · · Score: 1

    If you're interested in Fantasy, the Wheel of Time series is one of the best I've read. I got the first book when it came out, and eagerly awaited the release of each new book. It might be a bit more than a summer project, though. The Dragonlance Chronicles is also a trilogy that you'll pick up and not put down until it's done. Then, a week later you'll pick it up again and re-read it. It's that good.

    1. Re:Wheel of Time by mental_telepathy · · Score: 1

      Wheel of time is not summer reading. The series stands at about 7000 pages right now (No, for the uninitiated, that is not hyerpbole). I actually enjoy the series, but I long ago lost the ability to remember many of the cast of hundreds that poulate the book.

    2. Re:Wheel of Time by pixelgeek · · Score: 1

      The Wheel of Time is one of the more successful fantasy series in quite some time but it is really the Windows XP of fantasy writing. Popularity doesn't guarantee a quality product. If you are looking for a good fantasy series to chew through I'd recommend Steven Erikson's Malazan series. Its currently in its fourth book and while it is a heck of a read it is a much richer series with some excellent writing. The first book is Garden of the Moon Another good series is, the often mentioned, A Song of Fire and Ice by George Martin. The books have complex, realistic characters, great depth and plot twists and turns that are surprising (a rarity in most fantasy).

    3. Re:Wheel of Time by sliderr · · Score: 0

      I agree, the last couple of books have gotten shorter and nothing seems to happen anymore. I read the first one last summer and then read the rest from nov-feb.

      We're just simply left hanging with nothing resolved...arrrgh.

  19. Hydrogen! by erf · · Score: 1

    Hydrogen: The Essential Element
    by John S. Rigden

    From amazon.com:

    Justly acclaimed for his lucid biography of physicist I. I. Rabi, Rigden here shifts his focus from person to problem, chronicling how one enduring conundrum--that of explaining the element hydrogen--has challenged two centuries of brilliant scientists. Beginning with the British chemist William Prout's pioneering hypothesis defining hydrogen as nature's fundamental building block, Rigden recounts episode after episode in which the mysteries of the simplest element--a bare proton and electron--have yielded their secrets to intellectually daring and resourceful researchers. In the process, he clarifies for general readers the nature of the scientific enterprise, in which elegant theories must meet the test of empirical verification. Nor does Rigden neglect the often-quirky personalities of the humans who frame the theories and conduct the experiments: we share, for example, in the frivolous musical ditties composed by Bloch and in the irreverent jokes circulated about Dirac. Readers will marvel that in its very first square, the periodic table holds so much science, so much history, so much humanity.

  20. Read something that will FUCK with your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and leave you feeling dirty.
    Like Naked Lunch

    1. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Naked Lunch

      "I can think of at least two things wrong with that title" - Nelson Muntz
    2. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by cvanaver · · Score: 1

      Also in this category (though more for creepy weirdness rather than drug-induced weirdness) is House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski. The only book I've read where, from time to time, you'd begin to think you were actually part of the story rather than just reading it. Technically more in the horror/thriller genre than SF though. Also, anyone who has ever seen it has to admit it must have been a type-setters wet-dream with it's pages after pages of colored, spiraling, inverted, transposed and randomly allocated text.

    3. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by checkyoulater · · Score: 1

      If you are looking for something even better, check out The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley. A well written account of his experience with Mescaline.

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    4. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by unikron · · Score: 1

      Like Chuck Palahniuk's novels ....

      Survivor, Fight Club (man the novel is really scary!) and Choke...

      Also I'd recommend High Fidelity and About a Boy, but that's for the times that you don't have a selfdestructive phase on your life...

    5. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by Ferment · · Score: 1

      Or "The Magus" by John Fowles. Its a fantastically constructed novel with great prose. Oh yeah, and if this book doesn't make you question your reality no book ever will.

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    6. Re:Read something that will FUCK with your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I likes me a good Burroughs, if you really want to mess with your head, read Robert Anton Wilson's *non-fiction* stuff. His fiction is fun, but his non-fiction is amazing. Read "Prometheus Rising". Then read it again.

  21. One option... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

    You could always read The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect. It's a relatively short piece, can be read in a couple days. Also, the book is free, so there's no downside if you don't like it (short of a spell of time).

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    I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    1. Re:One option... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend this piece. Very well-written, brings up interesting points, both technological and philosophical.

    2. Re:One option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple days? More like four hours.
      Ok, now it's past time for bed... Once I started reading, I couldn't stop.

    3. Re:One option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too.

      goddamnit.

  22. Do as Christopher Lee does... by erpbridge · · Score: 1

    ...and read The Lord of The Rings trilogy once a year. Should always be an entertaining read, and you'll catch some stuff not included in the movies.

    Now, the articles I read about his doing this didn't say if he read The Hobbit or the assorted tails in the Silmarillion. I'd assume he's read the tales in the Silmarillion at least a few times.

    1. Re:Do as Christopher Lee does... by Silburn_Luke · · Score: 1
      ...and read The Lord of The Rings trilogy once a year. Should always be an entertaining read, and you'll catch some stuff not included in the movies.

      You'll also see quite how much the second film played around with the events of 'The Two Towers'.... But anyway that's another rant.

      On to book recommendations - I'll stick with stuff that's been on my reading pile recently:

      Rebels & Redcoats - Hugh Bicheno

      This is the book of an upcoming TV series on the American Revolutionary War - so its a pretty light read and sticks to a straighforward narrative for the most part. Bicheno is very much in revisionist historian mode and can't conceal his relish for sticking the bayonet into sundry US shiboleths. I have no deep knowledge of the period, but I suspect he is overegging things somewhat. His basic arguments are interesting however although I'd have preferred a little more emphasis upon the economic and political underpinnings of the conflict.

      The Mating Mind - Geoffrey Miller

      Popular evolutionary psychology done well. Briefly Miller's thesis is that human intelligence is the product of runaway sexual selection (like a peacock's tail). Well written and compelling.

      Guns, Germs & Steel - by Jared Diamond

      Actually this isn't on my current reading pile (I haven't read it for a couple of years in fact), but its a great book. Deep history, with the emphasis on deep. Diamond is looking for the fundamental causes for why things have turned out as they have over the last 10,000 years or so. If you've ever played any of the 'Civilisation' games you'll be interested in this book.

      The Aubrey/Maturin Books - Patrick O'Brien

      You think Robert Jordan is bad, there are 20 books in this series (and it'll never finish 'cuz O'Brien died a couple of years back)! These are age of sail naval books (like Forester's Hornblower novels), with two interesting main characters written by someone with an excellent ear for the period's dialogue and eye for its telling idiosyncracies. I'm saving the last in the series for my next holiday. There's a Hollywood movie in the offing (yay!), but they've cast Russel Crowe in the lead (oh dear).

      The Curse of Chalion - Lois Bujold

      Bujold takes a break from her Vorkosigan sci-fi books to do a fantasy novel. Its pretty low fantasy and the novel focuses more upon character and plot (of the aristocratic 'lurking in the arras' kind) rather than continent spanning quests or eeeevil overlords. The novel's scenario is inspired by the historical events leading up to the dynastic union of Castile and Aragon, but Bujold has filed all the serial numbers off if Los Reyes Catholicos isn't usually your thing - if you liked Guy Gavriel Kaye's recent books then this will do you nicely.

      The Courts of the Morning - John Buchan

      I've not actually read this yet, but its a Buchan novel I'd never heard of. Hoperfully its a neglected gem rather than deservedly obscure...

      Oh and I'll second (third? fourth? whatever) some of the other books I've seen on the thread:

      A Song of Ice & Fire - George Martin

      A Fire Upon The Deep - Vernor Vinge

      A Deepness In The Sky - Vernor Vinge

      Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson

      Regards

      Luke

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  23. I don't read much fiction but... by 3ryon · · Score: 1

    I've read two excellent books lately that I'd recommend to any intelligent audience...
    The Code Book, and The Selfish Gene. We'll see what the other slashdotters think of my suggestions...

    1. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fermats last theorem by simon singh (code book) is also a good read. better than code book imho

    2. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by BerntB · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The Selfish Gene
      Hear hear!

      That book changed my world view by applying game theory to behaviour of evolved creatures. The Selfish Gene is probably the best book on popular science I've read in my life. (If you know any better books, please add them as comments!)

      Be aware that religious people (e.g. christians, marxists, etc) tend to hate the research presented by TSG. The idealists can't accept that some of people's mental characteristics are partially genetic. (Personally, I have the ambition to look at facts first and build opinions on how the world works after that. No theory that goes the other way will succeed since there are so many more ways of being totally wrong than close to correct.)

      Also, be sure to read the notes in the second edition -- they are as interesting as the book itself.

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    3. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Jonathan · · Score: 1

      Be aware that religious people (e.g. christians, marxists, etc) tend to hate the research presented by TSG. The idealists can't accept that some of people's mental characteristics are partially genetic. (Personally, I have the ambition to look at facts first and build opinions on how the world works after that. No theory that goes the other way will succeed since there are so many more ways of being totally wrong than close to correct.)

      Yes -- let's look at the facts. Dawkins is an ethologist -- he studies animals frolicking about. He's not a geneticist. People with a genetics background tend to be rather wary of Dawkins, Wilson, Pinker, etc. We tend to think that before one devises elaborate evolutionary schemes for how genes evolved to govern behavior, it is better to actually look and see if any such genes actually exist in the genome. While there is some evidence for a few genes influencing some behaviors, it's nothing close to what the sociobiologists claim.

    4. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      Dawkins is an ethologist -- he studies animals frolicking about. He's not a geneticist. [...] While there is some evidence for a few genes influencing some behaviors, it's nothing close to what the sociobiologists claim.
      TSG is about research done by e.g. Hamilton and Maynard-Smith in the '60s. Those guys are as heavy as heavy can be in evolutionary biology.

      Research on humans is a small part. There are lots and lots of testable predictions in the mathematical models for behaviour in animals. (What an ethologist study.) And that has been well tested and argued for decades. Can you give any pointers to research that e.g. contradicts Hamilton's kinship relationships?

      (-: Gould wasn't exactly using enzymes on DNA either, if that is a demand for credibility... Even though he wasn't half as much a card-carrying marxist as to Lewontin... but then, who is?! :-)

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    5. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Planx_Constant · · Score: 1

      The Lives of a Cell by Lewis Thomas and The Naked Ape by Desmond Morris are also similarly excellent, although some they aren't exactly on the cutting edge anymore.

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      Heisenberg might have been here.
    6. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Jonathan · · Score: 1

      TSG is about research done by e.g. Hamilton and Maynard-Smith in the '60s. Those guys are as heavy as heavy can be in evolutionary biology.

      Yes, in the old school, pre-molecular era of theoretical evolution. One of the wonderful things about molecular biology is that it has turned evolutionary biology into a real experimental science.

      As you said, it is better to have facts *before* making the theories. Only through experiment can we get the facts.

      (-: Gould wasn't exactly using enzymes on DNA either, if that is a demand for credibility... Even though he wasn't half as much a card-carrying marxist as to Lewontin... but then, who is?

      John Maynard Smith, for example, was just as much a Marxist as Lewontin. So was Maynard Smith's famous advisor JBS Haldane.That's why the "Red Scare" tactics that Ed Wilson liked to use to attack his opponents was rather dishonest -- he didn't mind if his *supporters* were Marxists -- only his opponents.

    7. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      One of the wonderful things about molecular biology is that it has turned evolutionary biology into a real experimental science.
      Come back with this argument in ten years when we understand the brain enough to understand how genetic changes influence behaviour through the brain for any larger organisms... :-)

      Again -- do you have any results that contradict the evolutionary biology research described in The Selfish Gene? As I wrote:

      There are lots and lots of testable predictions in the mathematical models for behaviour in animals. (What an ethologist study.) And that has been well tested and argued for decades. Can you give any pointers to research that e.g. contradicts Hamilton's kinship relationships?
      Regarding marxists, etc. I wrote that inside ":-)"!! But, OK... You don't really want to accuse the non-marxist side of being dishonest -- then I could start quoting Rose and old stuff from Science For The People, etc. Or a long list of people with good credentials accusing Gould et al of doing straw man attacks in the popular press (probably for political reasons).

      Instead:
      If you do have any serious arguments that contradict the math, please write them down instead. I would be very interested.

      (-: Re Maynard Smith -- there are christians who aren't creationists... :-)

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    8. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Jonathan · · Score: 1

      There are lots and lots of testable predictions in the mathematical models for behaviour in animals. (What an ethologist study.) And that has been well tested and argued for decades. Can you give any pointers to research that e.g. contradicts Hamilton's kinship relationships?

      No, but on the other hand there isn't much genetic evidence that *supports* it either. There is not much to test without first demonstrating that a particular genetic sequence is actually tied to a behavior. Without this evidence, a lot of ethology is pretty circular in reasoning.

      Come back with this argument in ten years when we understand the brain enough to understand how genetic changes influence behaviour through the brain for any larger organisms...

      Precisely. Get data first, *then* theorize. The signal to noise ratio will surely increase.

    9. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      This is your position, then:
      You are condemning an experimental science using the scientific method that studies certain phenomena. The physical basis for the phenomena will be better known in ten or twenty years, yes. (When we understand the connection from the genes of insects, etc, to their brain and behaviour.)

      You consider it weak despite that lots of data and well tested models exists. And you can't even point to big trouble spots when challenged?!

      With that basis, you could condemn anything. Including bridgebuilding, because we will know physics better in ten years... ("Noone knows what a quark really is or what makes up dark matter. Obviously, we can't really have a certain opinion; an unknown phenomena might break that planned bridge. Better not build it.") Yes, that was a parody -- but not that extreme.

      I see three possibilites for your position:

      • Like creationism, your argument needs that all researchers in the subject area are idiots.
      • The evolutionary biology researchers could be in a conspiracy against marxists and christians?! :-)
      • You really do dismiss all information from all sciences in this world... and refuses to go out on any bridge.

      (-: The really fun part is that your criticism would be classed as "reductionist" by an earlier generation of marxist apologists!! :-)

      I'm sorry, but I think you're pulling my leg. I have problems taking this seriously, because you seem very educated in the area (from your home page), complains loudly -- but still can't present any specifics!! If you do believe in an ideology I'll make a prediction -- in ten years, you will find something else to complain about so you don't have to accept the research data.

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    10. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Jonathan · · Score: 1

      Getting away from a flamewar but returning to the subject of books, perhaps I could suggest a book to you: Wen Li's _Molecular Evolution_. I don't consider ethologists idiots, nor do I suppose that their theories *must* be wrong -- only that they have been left behind by the paradigm shift in biology towards molecular methods -- and increased rigour. In all other fields of biology, people would laugh if you proposed that something was genetic without genetic evidence. Why does ethology still get away with it?

    11. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by BerntB · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the book tip!

      I'll go back to university this autumn and do a year of chemistry and biochemistry before deciding on the exact subject area. (-: The only person hoping the economy stays bad three years more -- so I don't start to work instead! :-)

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    12. Re:I don't read much fiction but... by Hast · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend "Gödel Escher Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter. It has a lot of very interesting topics like logic, cognition, AI etc but the dialoges in the book are nothing short of brilliant.

      In some cases I spent a few hours with a dialoge just to figure out if there were anything I had missed. Bloody brilliant!

  24. Re:Ender's Game - Ender's Shadow by sykora · · Score: 1

    After Ender's Game, definately check out Ender's Shadow - through the eyes of Bean. Very good book. I don't care for the prior sequels.

  25. Powers Graphic Novels by davco9200 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out Powers: Who Killed Retro Girl?

    The Powers comic series is ground breaking and really well done. The basic premise is that there is a cop investigating the murder of a superhero.

    Really stunning work and surprisingly moving. Great written dialog.

    1. Re:Powers Graphic Novels by denisonbigred · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree with you more. I'm really excited for the new story Arc. But if we're on the subject of Comics then I have to mention Kurt Busiek's Astro City. It is a "superhero" comic, but it is really more about the common man. Exceptionally well written and exquisetly drawn. It is one of the reasons that I am unashamed to read comics as a grown man.

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      "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals."
  26. Pattern Recognition by gmplague · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am actually finishing up the new Gibson book, Pattern Recognition, as part of my summer reading, it's definitely a sci-fi/hacker/geek/saavycool book that people like. They assigned it to my entire freshman class at a respected liberal arts university. I read the Art of Deception a few months ago. While good, it wasn't exactly what I'd call summer reading material. Hope this all helps.

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    1. Re:Pattern Recognition by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 1

      at a respected liberal arts university.

      Hey! Were you that guy who was working late at the ice cream shop when the two hot coeds came in? You know...and you never thought it would happen to you?

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  27. Literature by truesaer · · Score: 1

    You might consider reading a work of literature in addition to the latest greatest hacker book. Yes, there are non-computer books!

    1. Re:Literature by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Please differentiate between "Neuromancer" and a work of "literature" without making reference to the age of the book, or using the word "classic".

      Just because it's not taught at Oxford doesn't mean it's not worth your time.

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  28. books by pbemfun · · Score: 1

    Snow Crash or Cryptonomicon by Neil Stephenson

    Two of the best geek books out there.

    If you like horror...check out Lovecraft or Clark Ashton Smith.

    1. Re:books by RealisticWeb.com · · Score: 1

      I just finished the Cryptonomicon and I gotta say, I HATE the ending. It was a great book, but it just all of a sudden stoped with no resolution of plot. Did ephityte(2) go under to the dentist? Did Enoch Root explain to Randy about his fathers roll in WWII? Is Amy a lesbian?! We may never know!

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    2. Re:books by Enry · · Score: 1

      Sure we might. Cryptonomicon is (hopefully) the second book in a trilogy. The first is due this september.

    3. Re:books by RealisticWeb.com · · Score: 1

      He wrote the second book first? Well I guess it's no worse than the starwars episodes. Still though, the book doesn't really seem to call for a prequill.

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    4. Re:books by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      Plus... one of the characters dies before much of the action takes place, and meanwhile shows up in the modern era as well. Hmmmm.

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    5. Re:books by d3kk · · Score: 1

      Plus... one of the characters dies before much of the action takes place, and meanwhile shows up in the modern era as well.

      I definitely remember this being explained, but I don't remember what the story was exactly. Something quite lackluster though, if my memory serves me right.

      Is Amy a lesbian?!

      Last I checked, lesbians don't have sex with men in automobiles.

    6. Re:books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say you need to read the book again. I love Neil Stephenson's work, and have read Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon both twice...the second time around with Cryptonomicon you get a lot more out of it. The questions you asked never came up for me...

      <spoiler>
      I think someone else mentioned why Amy is not a lesbian. As far as the dentist, I believe that it was mentioned earlier in the Dentist debate that the only reason the Dentist could get away with it was because Epiphyte(2) had no actual assets, just potential ones. Thus, with the gold mine in their possession, they were set.
      </spoiler>

    7. Re:books by RealisticWeb.com · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it stopped when the gold started coming out of the ground. They still had to get it off the island. Even if they did that, the dentist would certainly sue and try to get it all, or most of it. There were a lot of loose ends.

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  29. Hyperion by mckayc · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Hyperion series ("Hyperion" and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons) is one of the best, if not the best, works of Sci-Fi I've ever read. Better than Dune, IMHO.

    It's something fresh and original and it'll change the way you think :)

    1. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree. Those books blew my mind.

      I loved how people had houses on different planets.
      Also the whole plot around the cross parasite was fascinating.

    2. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just finihed reading both books back to back.

      I absolutely loved "Hyperion". Great story telling that is kind of a take off on Cantebury(sp?) Tales.

      "Fall of Hyperion" was good, but was told in a completely different style and point of view. It took me sometime to get into it.

      I'll probably read the Endymion series later this year.

    3. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the Endymion follow-ups were a disappointment.

    4. Re:Hyperion by zabieru · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call them a disappointment... I marginally prefer the first two, but I did really like the others, as well... The world-biulding isn't as in-your-face, but I thought the characters were at least as strong.

    5. Re:Hyperion by mckayc · · Score: 1

      I've just started Endymion (about 70 pages in) but I'm liking it.

      But I'd have to agree with the other poster somewhere on this thread who said that the world-building (one of the cooler aspects of Hyperion) is toned down quite a bit.

    6. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't recommend the first of the series - Hyperion - highly enough. Though it derives from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, it's original as a sci-fi treatment thereof. (Take that for what it's worth, me being AC).
      I am biased, as Dan is a graduate of my alma mater, and I didn't realize this until the middle of the book when he described a world that contained a college building named after my Phil/Rel prof.

    7. Re:Hyperion by ShadowBottle · · Score: 1

      Indeed.. some of the best sci-fi available. And yeah.. the Endymion pair were disappointing for so epic a storyline. Man.. if I could only find another copy of Hyperion Cantos, hardback of both Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion together. Mines falling apart and taped together like some desperate mans bible. You can actually read a book to it's death. ( C; S-Bottle

    8. Re:Hyperion by CharlesEGrant · · Score: 1

      I agree. This is my favorite sci-fi novel bar none, and one of my favorite novels in any genre. The fate of the priest in the first pilgrim's tale still scares the bejeebers out of me.

      Dan Simmons is coming out with a new novel this summer: a sci-fi treatment of the Illiad called "Illium"

    9. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, this must be more of a love it or hate it type book, because I hated it :).

      Endless beating around the bush without actually getting to the interesting stuff. Also I didn't expect it to be the first book of a series, so the lack of closure at the end was kind of annoying :). Not so annoying that I'll read the next one though.

    10. Re:Hyperion by Lux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good writers borrow, great writers steal, and Hyperion is, hands down, the best sci-fi I've ever read. Keats, Beowulf, Shakespeare, Chaucer, The Bible, and the list goes on. Simmons takes some of the best bits of them all and weaves them into a world all his own. And it's not just the theft that's good: the setting is rich, and the characters are richer. It's simply a joy to read.

      You can read the series on several levels, too. I read the first two books as a sort of attempt at finishing the plot of Keats' poem Hyperion in an alternate setting. The first book, like the unfinished manuscript indtroduces a lot while finishing little, and I think you can map entities and groups in the books into the world of the poem, reaching meaningful conclusions about where Simmons would have liked the poem to go.

      Still, after the first book, the second is kind of a dissapointment. The whole rest of the series feels like it exists only to tie up the loose ends left by the first book, and develop and explore the universe. These are not bad aims, there's plenty left to develop and enjoy, but they fail to live up to the first, let alone manage to outdo it. That said, I still read and enjoyed each of them very much.

    11. Re:Hyperion by milpunk · · Score: 1

      I must agree that these books are amazing, heck I even got a shriek tattoo :)

      I will never foget how many times I laughed at the story in which eternal life is granted to those 30 creatures but at the cost of making them idiots...so very true.

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    12. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book Hyperion is an example of terrible fiction in general. It's an old, trite form that, while it was clever and fresh in the late 1300's in the Canterbury Tales, it's well, 700 years out of date. Simmons tries to add some life to a pulp horror story by changing the form. Nothing so superficial, just as adding Keats-worship, a section of 1940's style detective story, or zen-like whines of Ummon, can make a horror story into literature. It's also a long drawn-out disappointment. The entire book leads towards a meeting with the Shrike. Then, that doesn't happen. It's like LoTR ending when Frodo first starts climbing Mount Doom. It's that ridiculous. I guess Dan Simmons just got tired of writing or just plain got lazy. Why spend hundreds of pages building-up to something then just get too lazy to finish. I first thought maybe Simmons died before finishing it and the publisher decided to publish his unfinished work. That wasn't what happened because he's still alive. Even a paragraph to tie it up would have been better than nothing. I had to read the book for an English class, and the professor spent three weeks ranting about the lazy Simmons. I don't think he did justice to just how poor of an effort it was.

    13. Re:Hyperion by mckayc · · Score: 1

      There's a second book you know. It's called "Fall of Hyperion" and, yeah, it concludes what he started in the first book.

    14. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? That's one of the worst fiction books of all time. The idiot Simmons is like a teenager that thinks they're better than others because they've read something from some long-dead author. His Keats worship was tiresome.

      He also spends an entire book building-up to a meeting with the Shrike, but it doesn't happen. I thought at first my copy was missing the last few chapters, so I went to the store to look at another copy. That (unfinished) was the way Simmons intended it to end. I guess he just couldn't figure-out how to end it so he just didn't.

      Annoying to no end was the way he mentioned the name Hawkings. I counted 41 times, but I'm sure I might have missed a few. His hero worship of Hawkings got tiresome. He also got into the bad SF habit of adding certain prefixes to words, like fiber to make them sound more futuristic. Also annoying was the idea that in the future the illiteracy rate would be >99%. What?

      Immaculate conception (from a computer program and the detective) was extremely bad comic book science. Copying this idea from the Bible didn't work in Star Wars Episode I, and it certainly didn't work here.

      The book is not science fiction. It's more comic book. For God's sake, people fly around space in trees. They hang-out on the limbs like monkeys. The trees are even owned by the Templars. Just try to explain that one. It's as ridiculous as computer programs having children.

      Implanted cornlogs? What is a cornlog? Is something technical that looks like a corn cob? Is it a play on the word kernel? A holder for multiple kernels?

      I did find it mildly amusing that he thinks Palestinians will still be killing and terrorizing humanity 800 years in the future.

    15. Re:Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > that thinks they're better than others

      Just because he's pretentious doesn't make the book not worth reading.

      > the way he mentioned the name Hawkings.

      He should have just dedicated the book to him rather than working his name into the book as often as possible.

      > For God's sake, people fly around space in trees.

      That also bothered me! (spoiler warning) Just wait until you get to the end. They've got trees over a billion times the size of the Earth that people live in. My wife calculated that even with exponential growth, it would take over 10 million years for the tree to grow. More bad (comic book) science from Simmons.

      > Implanted cornlogs?

      I had the first edition hardback, and that drove me nuts. After losing it, I bought another copy in paperback and noticed that Simmons had it changed to the word comlogs. I guess it was now short for communication logs rather than for corn kernels.

      > Palestinians will still be killing and terrorizing humanity

      Simmons hates Palestinians and Catholics with an intense passion. Statements like "the Church is in its final days" stand-out like a sore-thumb. (spoiler warning) I did find it amusing that the Palestinians were responsible for the Shrike.

  30. Weird dark and twisted sci-fantasy by PateraSilk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing like Shadow of the Torturer and its companion novels by Gene Wolfe. Also props to those who suggested Dune and The Cyberiad.

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  31. art of deception by cosyne · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm reading Mitnick's book right now- I can't say I reccomend it. So far it just seems like 'how not to give out your password For Dummies'. It has all these little "Lingo" and "Mitnick Message" sections to try and clue you in on key points, in case you didn't pick up from the stories that you shouldn't give out potentially sensitive info to people you don't know. Maybe it get's better later on, but up to like chapter 8 it's kinda boring.

    1. Re:art of deception by djcapelis · · Score: 1

      It doesn't get too much better, I've finished the book, not much there. The sample policies in the last chapter should have been a huge tipoff at the quality, oh well...

      oh, and about those policies in the last chapter, skip them unless you plan to actually need them. (AKA: you need to use something as a "model" when your boss tells you to write something because he just read the book)

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      I touch computers in naughty places
    2. Re:art of deception by NeilRyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, Kevin Mitnick's "The Art of Deception" is THE most important book available concerning Information Security - period. It has its flaws, sure - it often seems endlessly repetitive (First you Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, then you Tell 'em, then you Tell 'em what you told 'em...). But that's due to the fundamental problem Mitnick faces: How do you get people to understand something that's blindingly obvious to yourself? To call the book "Passwords for dummies" misses the point. The point that Mitnick's dealing with is the fact that the World (the Real World) doesn't see a password as a key to a lock, the Real World sees a password as yet another On/Off switch (and a "needlessly complicated" one, at that).

      And that "Hey, it's only an On/Off pushbutton, what's the big deal" attitude is THE biggest problem in the Information Security world. A thing that Kevin documents - beautifully, and fascinatingly. His proposed solutions don't "satisfy" (I expect he needs to give more thought to the question of "How do we keep them out?"), but boy - _nobody_ documents the fundamental Security problem so well!

      Worth a read, if you're interested in Security.

    3. Re:art of deception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kevin, that you? rofl

    4. Re:art of deception by A_Duck_Named_Ping · · Score: 1
      I did bother to finish the book as well, and agree that it is not worth the read.

      There was one mildly interesting anecdote about a phone hack from jail, but still not worth the price.

      Instead, I suggest "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll is an enjoyable classic. The technology is more interesting from a historical perspective, though some hacks mentioned are still relevant today. And these are real system hacks, not social-engineering hacks which can be tiresome to read after a while.

      If you're willing to venture into non-fiction, a couple of interesting books that lightly touch upon technology, are "Tipping point" and "Emergence" (which mentions slashdot to illustrate a point.

    5. Re:art of deception by tbmaddux · · Score: 1
      I'm reading Mitnick's book right now- I can't say I reccomend it.
      I would like to read it, but I can't convince my local bookstore clerk to give me a copy for free. If I could only get my hands on a free copy and learn the art of deception, then I could -- damn...
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      Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
    6. Re:art of deception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up Kevin, we all know it is you, and your book fucking sucks. You are a dried up has-been, a wanna-be hacker who could never make the grade. Sure you pussy'ed around the older systems, but anyone could do it. You have no skills in the real world, so you write books about your escapades and try and live off your criminal history. Fuck you Kevin, and ever other ex-con like you trying to work the system. Your a moron, and a moraless piece of shit.

      You deserved ever second of your time spent rotting in jail, and probably a little bit more, it's a shame that is legal for you to know slap your name on a piece of shit like this book and make some cash. Go get a fucking education and do something with your life you little felon! Nobody cares about who you used to be, except maybe to curse your name for wasting our tax dollars with your pathetic life.

      Your book sucks. Go get a real job jerk!

    7. Re:art of deception by GiMP · · Score: 1

      The parent is right-on.. the book sucks. It just has a ton of example social engineering jobs, all which are quite obvious. "how not to give your your password for dummies" as the parent put it, is exactly how the book reads and should've been the title.

  32. Cryptonomicon by loudmouth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IMnvHO it's better than Snowcrash, even

    1. Re:Cryptonomicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and the prequel Quicksilver should be out in July with any luck. Otherwise it'll be the perfect autumn book...

    2. Re:Cryptonomicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, Crypto is fun and witty. I rushed thru it like breathing fresh air. I could not get past the first 20 pages of Snowcrash. So i am not the only one.

  33. This isn't in your requested genre... by elizalovesmike · · Score: 4, Informative
    But given your state in life... it's a book well worth reading...
    • The Fountainhead
    by Ayn Rand, of course, then onto
    • Atlas Shrugged
    ...

    There are few better favors you can do yourself before entering the working world in earnest than to have a nice philosophical framework.

    Good luck!
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    1. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by kgbkgb · · Score: 1

      And Ayn Rand is supposed to give him a nice philosophical framework?

      Make up your own mind about whether Ayn Rand is even worth reading, but surely he should start with some more respected philosophy before jumping into her.

    2. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by elizalovesmike · · Score: 1

      It's supposed to make him think.

      Few are the men that think with their own heads and feel with their own hearts. -- Albert Einstein

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      Those who give up their power willingly deserve none.
    3. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      run away!!!

      Atlas Shrugged - the ONLY book I ever threw in the trash... selfish, myopic, propaganda vehicle written by a borderline sociopath. ...strangely popular with libertarians (think uber-capitalists that weren't invited to the republican trough). ...if you do ever accidentally read this, quickly find a Zen Buddhist text or anything by the Dalai Lama to regain your humanity... it'll serve you better. : )

      My (unusual) suggestions...

      Animal Farm (read it again as an adult if you've read it already).

      The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
      (Lord Foul's Bane, The Illearth War, The Power that Preserves)

      Douglas Adam's Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, or any of the four books in the trilogy ; )

    4. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Blow off the Gault monologue at the end.
      It works as a critique of socialism, but Gault as a model for what real humanity is or should be completely fails it. Outside the tautological covers of the book, that is.

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    5. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by ninjaoftheworld · · Score: 1

      I agree that The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are very good reads, but Ms. Rand's philosophy is self indulgent and elitist. If you aren't willing to be completely selfish and self righteous your existence is worthless? Because that's what I read. Ms. Rand is a very intelligent writer, and her works are convincing, but then again, alot of people were swayed by Mein Kampf. Read it, but don't let it take you in.

    6. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree, as a hack screenwriter-cum-philosopher, her narsicistic views come across to me as a bitter reaction to her brutal encounter with Hitler's demented vision of a unified Europe. Not only that, she seriously looked up to the robber-barons of her days as heros... not exactly a geek-philo if you ask me.

    7. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be noted that the 'selfishness' Ayn Rand preaches is the selfishness that most people/animals live and believe in anyway. Think about it, what don't you do for yourself,be it for a feeling YOU get or some other benefit. Its all selfish. I don't agree with her absolute capitalism concept, but this she had right. What is more shocking is how many people have posted, so much anti-rand talk. Even warning them not to read it, as if it were Mein Kampf...creepy.

    8. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      brutal encounter with Hitler's demented vision

      You misspelled "Stalin".

    9. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you must read Ayn Rand-ish work (and cliff notes will probably do, unless redundancy is your thing;), at least go to the source, Yevgeny Zamyatin's _We_ - from which she "ahem" appropriated. Greatly. and stuff.

      And forgot to file under "I wish I had thought of that first."

      ac

    10. Re:This isn't in your requested genre... by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 1

      Ayn Rand has some interesting ideas. Of course, so did Gladkov. The problem is that they're both laughably shitty writers who stylistically have much in common. Atlas Shrugged is basically written in the excrutiating "Socialist Realism" style, just not being used to espouse socialism/communism.

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  34. What I'm reading... by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 1

    I'm reading a book called Sophies World by Jostein Gaarder. It's not really what you're looking for (sci fi tech thriller dealie) but I'm really enjoying it and I know that me and a lot of my geeky friends are interested in it's subjet matter, philosophy. It's a attempt to create a fictional mystery intertwined with the history of philosophy from the anchients up till modern times. I say attempt because you really have to be interested in the philosophy part to get through the book, you won't finish it just based on the merit of the mystery aspect however it is interesting. So there's my two cents and hopefully it will give you a new look on life as you move on to college.

    On the other hand for the scifi kinda thing I highly reccomend anything written by Isaac Asimov, my absolute favorite author in that genre. The foundation series is wonderful. Also check out the Hitchikers Guide series, very entertaining. Blah I'm just rambling now so go read something.

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    1. Re:What I'm reading... by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1
      CtrlPhreak (226872) writes:
      Also check out the Hitchikers Guide series, very entertaining.
      I enjoyed the Hitchhikers Guide series, but after rereading them I felt that after book 3, it goes rapidly downhill.
  35. not scifi... by tobes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but you could check out the classics like Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance, Illuminatis Trilogy, anything by Rand...those all seem to appeal to geek sensibilities.

    1. Re:not scifi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that ZATAOMM was an intellectual, secular attempt to reach the Christian doctrine of the Holy Spirit.
      He basically failed it, but tried in an vaguely interesting way. The Bible is a better read.

    2. Re:not scifi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      zen and the art of motorcyle maintenance is an intellectual, secular attempt to bore you to death. the bible does it better and with religion.

  36. The Moral Animal by jamie · · Score: 1

    The Moral Animal: Evolutionary Psychology and Everyday Life by Robert Wright. A look at evolution and nonzero-sum game theory and how they shaped our brains and our culture. I lent my dad my copy and he kept it to read it twice.

    1. Re:The Moral Animal by Nutrimentia · · Score: 1

      I second this one. Great intro to Ev Psych as well as a nice little biography of Charles Darwin. This book got me hooked on evolutionary approaches to understanding humanity.

      Another great book that I feel compliments this is Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel. That, and the Durant's Lessons of History . Nice thing about the latter book is that it is only a 100 or so pages of easy readying, but its significant stuff. IF you don't know who the Durant's are, they wrote a few massive histories of civilizaiton (11 volumes, I think) and philosophy. Lessons distills the uh, lessons, they learned in the course of writing the history of the world. Great stuff.

  37. Mitnick Book by Esteban · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd stay away from the Mitnick book, if I were you. It reads like an executive summary of a much more interesting book. There's not much there: it's got large print and bullet points every few pages.

  38. Harry Potter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new book "The Order of the Phoenix" is going to be out in three weeks!

  39. Read Some Poetry! by brogdon · · Score: 1

    A Coney Island of the Mind by Lawrence Ferlinghetti.

    Sure, you can read the whole collection in one night, but you'll be mentally chewing on it for two weeks.

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  40. Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slaughterhouse Five

    Cat's Cradle

    Player Piano

    The Sirens of Titan

    I enjoyed them 30 yrs ago as much as in the past few weeks. Unemployed and all. Don't forget 1984, The Doors of Perception and Fahrenheit 451. Enjoy.

    1. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Midajo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Slaughterhouse Five is a brilliant piece of work, and fairly geeky as well. IIRC, the first line is, "Billy Pilgrim has come unstuck in time."

      Jailbird is another Vonnegut classic worth picking up.

    2. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      I am totally with you on Slaughterhouse V, not so much with the others. Vonnegut's Mother Night, and God Bless you Dr Kervorkian were brilliant though

    3. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      I must recommend Breakfast of Champions, especially if you've read Vonnegut before and are familiar with his characters (Kilgore Trout, Rosewater, etc). He just has fun and plays God with his characters. Its a fine read if you like self-referential humor.

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    4. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Add to that Breakfast of Champions, Deadeye Dick, and God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater.

      IIRC, it's page 22 of the latter that has an absolutely hilarious--and very persuasive--homage to volunteer firefighters. I read it way back in freshman year of high school (five years ago now) and since I read the school's copy, I don't have it around to quote from, or I would, at length.

      Anybody who has the book want to quote the passage?

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      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
    5. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by saden1 · · Score: 1

      I love Vonnegut's novels. I specially like Cat's Cradle. Thanks to that book I am now Bokon's Witness. I'll soon be knocking on a door near you.

      Busy..Busy...Busy.

      p.s. I'm finishing up Mother Night and starting on Time Quake.

      Kurt Vonnegut is a Genius!

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    6. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by saden1 · · Score: 1

      Kilgore Trout makes an appearance on almost all of his novels. He writes interesting story too. I'd love to get my hands on Kilgore Trout novels :)

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    7. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not happy with Jailbird, sorry, dull.

    8. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, BoC was good, but far from his best.

    9. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out Player Piano. Eerily prescient.

    10. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure is

      so it goes

    11. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a (bonifide, ink and paper) book by Kilgore Trout entitled "Venus on the Half Shell." I'm not sure if it's actually Vonnegut, but I imagine it is.

    12. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Player Piano is the ultimate engineer's book!

    13. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by MalachiConstant · · Score: 1

      Actaully it's NOT by Vonnegut. Some fan/author asked permission to write it (as Vonnegut mentioned "Venus on the Half Shell" as a story Trout wrote in one of his books). I think Vonnegut regertted it later, as it wasn't a very good book, but I haven't read it.

    14. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by MalachiConstant · · Score: 1
      Apologies to Mr. Vonnegut for reproducing his work here, but maybe it'll encourage some people to read it:

      "When you think about it, boys,' he said brokenly, "that's what holds us together more than anything else, except maybe gravity. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers -- join in the serious business of keeping our food, shelter, clothing, and loved ones from combining with oxygen. I tell you boys, I used to belong to a volunteer fire department, and I'd belong to one now, if there were such a human thing, such a humane thing, in New York City."

      ...

      "I tell you, boys," he went on, "if those Russian landing barges come barging in some day, and there isn't any way to stop 'em, all the phony bastards who get all the good jobs in this country by kissing ass will be down to meet the conquerers with vodka and caviar, offering to do any kind of work the Russians have have in mind. And you know who'll take to the woods with hunting knives and Springfields, who'll go on fighting for a hundred years, by God? The volunteer firemen, that's who."

      --"God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater" Kurt Vonnegut

    15. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by MalachiConstant · · Score: 1

      Everything by Vonnegut is good. Some are less good (like Slapstick and Jailbird), but they're all worth reading.

      For first-timers I'd recommend Slaughterhouse 5, Cat's Cradle, and Player Piano in that order. Definately not Breakfast of Champions or Timequake unless you're familiar with his writing, they won't make much sense.

      If you like short stories he's got some great collections. "Welcome to the Monkey House" for geeky sci-fi stuff, Bagombo Snuff Box for good old fasion short stories.

      I just wish he was 50 years younger so he could keep writing. He proved to me that "literature" could be fun to read and funny at the same time it was "serious literature". Mark Twain was his predecessor and (I think) Chuck Palahniuk (author of Fight Club) is his spiritual succesor.

    16. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by antonrojo · · Score: 1

      I've read most of Vonnegut's books and overall the best is the short stories collection 'Welcome to the Monkey House'.

      It was one of his first books and includes stories such as a mathematician who accidentally discovered (while wandering on the beach) that we can live outside our bodies. This discovery revolutionizes human society by overcoming the needs of sex, property, etc. (although a few people still hold out) and the funniest part is the cerimonial parade where re-corporate to march every year.

    17. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by rmst · · Score: 1

      Really? Perhaps my mistake was reading Breakfast of Champions as my first---and last---piece of Vonnegut. Actually, it's the only book that I've ever given away. Put it on a newspaper box outside of a busy downtown bookstore and, when I came out, it was gone. So either someone built a nice fire, or, perhaps someone got some more enjoyment out of it than I did. Oh well.

      I was familiar with the fact that he'd written these characters in other books. I just didn't like the style, nor did I find the whole "I'm controlling this whole thing-Ha Ha Ha" very entertaining. Oh well. Different strokes. No one's recommended Lolita so far as I've seen. What good is a reading list without Lolita? Hohum.

      Oh, OK. I recommended Lolita, by Vladimir Nabokov.

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    18. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by Slurm-V · · Score: 1

      Philip Hose Farmer (of 'Riverworld' and 'Tarzan vs. Doc Savage with boners') wrote Venus on the Half Shell. It's more Farmer's pulpy-sex stylings than Vonnegut's/Trout's 'Farting and tap-dancing' kind of thing.

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    19. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. by RealRav · · Score: 1

      You left out Dead Eye Dick. I think it is Vonnegut's best, though Slaughter House Five is a close second.

  41. Reading by cje · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A lot of times in the summer, I'm too busy with other things to spend a lot of time reading major novels, but in the time that I do get to read, I like to tear into collections of short stories, things that you can get through in an abbreviated sitting. Some of the stuff I read last summer:
    • The complete works of H.P. Lovecraft (Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
    • The Complete Sherlock Holmes: Stories and Novels by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
    • Edgar Allan Poe: The Complete Tales and Poems (the tales, mostly; I'm not big on poetry)
    Not exactly sci-fi geek hacker stuff, of course, but I've read through most of Stephenson and Gibson's stuff and found that I like classic mystery/suspense as well. If it's hard sci-fi you're looking for, check out a book called The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, if you haven't already. It's old (circa 1950s or 1960s IIRC) but a great read. And then there's the classics like Clarke's Rendezvous with Rama or 2001 series.
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    1. Re:Reading by fockewulf · · Score: 1

      If you like Poe, you can also try Roald Dahl. The Collected Short Stories of Roald Dahl is a good read, nice stories with some really interesting twists

    2. Re:Reading by Jethro · · Score: 1

      You said:

      Edgar Allan Poe: The Complete Tales and Poems (the tales, mostly; I'm not big on poetry)

      I'm not too big on poetry either, but Edgar Allan Poe is one of the few exceptions.

      I'm not just talking about poems like The Raven, which despite being a bit too well-known is still amazing. Here's a short one:

      To Sciense
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      Science! True daughter of Old Time thou art,
      Who alterest all things with thy peering eyes.
      Why prayest thou thus upon the poet's heart,
      Vulture, who's wings are dull realities?
      How should he love thee? or how deem thee wise,
      Who wouldst not leave him in wandering
      To seek treasure in the jewelled skies,
      Albeit he soared with an undaunted wing?
      Hast thou not dragged Diana from her car?
      And driven the manadryad from the wood
      To seek shelter in some happier star?
      Hast thou not torn the Naiad from her flood,
      The Elfin from the green grass, and from me
      The summer dream beneath the tamarind-tree?

      --


      In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
    3. Re:Reading by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Rama (RamaRamaRama) is interesting from a sci-fi standpoint in that it's some (supposedly?) hard science fiction that tackles a previously unexplored idea, but frankly I found the writing to be as dry as last week's chicken put in the fridge without a wrapper.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Reading by mikael_j · · Score: 1
      Ah yes, The Complete Tales and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe, now there's a book I don't regret buying, it can be a bit of a slow read at times though.. It's some of the stories are pretty interesting though..

      /Mikael

      --
      Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
    5. Re:Reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A large number of Lovecraft's short stories (maybe all of them?) are available free in HTML and PDF here. Check it out.

    6. Re:Reading by mooncrow · · Score: 1

      Along with At the Mountains of Madness I'd vote for Lovecraft's The Colour Out of Space especially if you are under 13 years old or so. I read that collection of short stories at about age 10 or 11--you know, sneaked the book out of my older brother's collection, hid it between the pages of some devotional tract, and read it under the bedcovers by flashlight. Late into the night. In the dark, sweaty night, listening to the wind moan outside my window. It seriously messed with my head at that age, which I believe is just what a pre-teen needs. Good times, good times.

      So all you preteens out there reading this--pick up some Lovecraft!

  42. Wicked by rhombic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want a good perspective bender, check out Wicked: The life and times of the Wicked Witch of the West, by Gregory Maguire. It totally re-draws the whole Oz story from a different direction, makes you think about how good and evil depend on the perspective you take, and who you believe. One of the best books I've read in a while

    --
    1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
    1. Re:Wicked by pierreg0 · · Score: 1

      I agree ... Wicked is a great novel. Gregory Maguire's adaptation of the classic will make you think twice before you judge people around you - it did for me.

      Another few of my favorites:
      * A Prayer for Owen Meany - John Irving
      * High Fidelity - Nick Hornby
      * Catch-22 - Joseph Heller (a classic, and very relevant with the recent war in Iraq)
      * Fight Club - Chuck Palahnuik

      As an added bonus, these were all made into movies, so if you're lazy just rent the video.

  43. The best of the best by Zerocool3001 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Something you might find interesting that satisfies your "Sci-fi" requirement with added humor. the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series is a great read.

    --
    Science will save us. The question is, will it destroy us first?
    1. Re:The best of the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just started reading the rest of the series (picked up the ultimate hitchhiker's goid on thinkgeek)

    2. Re:The best of the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find myself just assuming that all "nerds" have read those books.

      Highly recommended.

      NOTE: I read Book 1 in about 3 hours, and I don't read that fast, its a very entertaining read, and you could finish the whole series in a month easy.

  44. Well, there's nothing like a good Porno mag after by Martin+Marvinski · · Score: 2, Funny

    a hard day coding. A hot 22 old whore getting her pussy fucked in the bright pages of a magazine makes my day. It'll make yours too.

  45. The classics by mental_telepathy · · Score: 1
    Asimov's Nine Tomorrows is a great collection, though kind of a fast read
    More science than computer stuff, but the stories will blow your mind

    If you want to get a Cool read that no ones knows about check out cordwainer smith

    And for something a little more modern, Tad Williams Otherland series, which combines virtual reality with a diverse set of cultural histories.

    1. Re:The classics by roju · · Score: 1

      I second Otherland, it's great. I've had some people complain about it getting weird, but I stand by it as a really enjoyable read.

    2. Re:The classics by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Weird, and long, and worth it. Good stuff.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    3. Re:The classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second the recommendation for Cordwainer Smith. To properly approach Smith's Instumentality of Mankind, think of it as a cross between Asimov's Foundation, and anything by Clarke Ashton Smith.

    4. Re:The classics by Hast · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's a good read for no other reason than because you'll learn a lot of mythology. It's a bit on the long side, but I never got the feeling that the characters were "stuck". And it's a lot of fun thinking about what new messed up world the characters have gotten to. (Well, that's not so much the first book, but the later ones.)

  46. I just finished... by sykora · · Score: 1

    Nine Princes of Amber and the other subsequent Amber books in the series by Zelazny. Eventhough I feel the series is unfinished in parts, I really enjoyed these books. Don't know if they're exactly what you're looking for, being a bit too fantasy-ish, but I recommend them to everybody. I also put Dune and Ender's Game on my recommendation list.

  47. Just one? by signe · · Score: 5, Informative


    One book in a month of nothing to do? Maybe one book a week, if you're slow!

    Anyways, Cryptonomicon was a good read, if a little lengthy. In fact, anything by Stephenson that you haven't read (Zodiac and Diamond Age were great). Just ignore the complaints about endings and enjoy the rest of the story.

    Asimov's Foundation series is a great choice as well. Not so much with the hacker angle (well, hacking of a different kind, surely) but very interesting.

    If you want to go military geek sci-fi, David Weber's Honor Harrington series is excellent. You can get the first book, On Basilisk Station from the Baen Free Library. And if you buy the most recent book, War of Honor, in hardcover, you get a CD that has all the books in the series on it. Or you can just download the CD somewhere online.

    Just a few suggestions. I have a ton of other things on my reading list, but that's a start.

    -Todd

    --
    "The details of my life are quite inconsequential..."
    1. Re:Just one? by Midnight+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cryptonomicron is historical fiction focusing around the age of Alan Turing (WorldWarII) and really centers around encryption. This is a read-several-times-and-still-see-something-neat book. Also, shortly after this book came out, SeaLand, the country, started making news again. No accident I think as this book kind of gave a "business plan" to the island.

      Diamond Age is another read-several-times book that focuses around where nano-tech can go. It remembers that not all technologies are controlled. Stephenson also amplifies where electronic paper/organic LEDs can go - finally we have an author telling us something beneficial from technology instead of always calling new technology evil.

    2. Re:Just one? by craenor · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to second this...David Weber's books are great, and his Honor Harrington series is top notch.

    3. Re:Just one? by Enry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you do decide to read Foundation, read it in the order they were written, not the order of the timeline. There are prequels, post prequels, pre-prequels, and postquels. The first three books (written in the 1950s) were genius. The remainder (written in the 80s) are good, but not as good. Asimov was basically pressured into writing the later books by his publisher.

      Then there are the ones written after his death by other authors. Don't bother. I got about 1/4 of the way through Foundation's End and realized I had no idea what was going on.

    4. Re:Just one? by raymondlowe · · Score: 1
      Asimov's Foundation series is a great choice as well. Not so much with the hacker angle (well, hacking of a different kind, surely) but very interesting.

      Surely the ultimate in Social Engineering, both at the society level but also often individuals.



      R.
    5. Re:Just one? by mdxi · · Score: 1

      Aye, I'll third the nomination. Honor rules.

      And add everything by David Drake as well (harder core/edge military scifi; gripping stuff)

      --
      Posted with Mozilla
    6. Re:Just one? by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
      Personally, I thought the last Foundation book he wrote, Foundation and Earth, was the best. The ending, which I won't give away, was staggering. Some people say it was lame... I can only guess that they didn't understand it.

      He meant to continue where that book left off and conclude the whole story; he knew where he wanted the story to go, but he couldn't figure out exactly how he wanted to do it. I am quite confident that I know what he intended to do, as there is only one logical direction the story could go IMO, but I won't talk about it now as that would spoil the ending of "Foundation and Earth".

      Cheers.

      --
      Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
  48. Go back for some Classics by Harry8 · · Score: 1

    Alfred Bester - The Demolished Man &/or The Stars My Destination (aka) Tiger, Tiger. Douglas Adams - If he wrote it, have a read. John Brunner - Stand on Zanzibar (see the hacking of Shalmanseer) Roger Zelazny Ursula Le Guin Joe Haldeman Don't be frightened of the History books as well. Great reads. Code - Charles Petzold Rebel Code Hackers The Mythical Man Month (history?) And, of course, "Dr Strangehate or how I learned to stop worrying and love Microsoft"

    1. Re:Go back for some Classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, nice work.

      AC
      www.utmostmusic.com

  49. New Mitnick Book by djcapelis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Personally I wasn't all that impressed with the new mitnick book, you can get more information online. Which, in and of itself is a wonderful resource if you want to read something fun and learn at the same time. Make sure you have read all of BOFH, and the browse satirewire.com's archives for a bit of humor. Then move on to safari, the SANs Reading room and some hacking sites and read up on the latest tech.

    Another thing to look into is some of the more esoteric cool networking software out there... not exactly reading but something to do... kernel patches are fun!

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    I touch computers in naughty places
  50. BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

    This is the perfect month read, with lots of swim time thrown in. yeah the movie should be forgotten, but the book is really written well.

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    Jeoin
    1. Re:BattleField Earth. by pixelgeek · · Score: 1

      The book is very poorly written. I was stuck in the middle of no-where in Northern BC one summer with only a copy of this book to read. It was painful. Hubbard is a bad writer in general and this is a very poor example of his work. The plot is transparent and the book is littered with incidents that Hubbard make sure we, as readers, pay attention to as they will be important later in the book. This is usually done is such a hamfisted way that the most interesting part of the book (and this isn't saying much really) is trying to guess how the hero is going to use the item he just picked up or the nugget of information he just gained.

    2. Re:BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

      maybe something more complex would suite your needs.

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      Jeoin
    3. Re:BattleField Earth. by pixelgeek · · Score: 1

      -- maybe something more complex would suite your needs. I read as much fluff sci-fi as the next person, don't get me wrong :-) But Battlefield Earth is even a poor choice for just fluff. Its just poorly written and the fact that it was/is intended to be a pulp sci-fi novel isn't enough to excuse the really god awful writing.

    4. Re:BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

      so now you have peaked my interest and I would like to know what books you find written well. I was reading the list of suggestions above and below and think enders game was a great story, although forever more i shall stray from saying a book was well written. do you play chess?

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      Jeoin
    5. Re:BattleField Earth. by mfrank · · Score: 1

      You've got to be kidding. This is the worst book I've ever read in my life, and I've read a lot of books. It's idiotic on multiple levels.

      About the only thing I've read that's as bad is the first few volumes in the "Mission To Earth" series, also by Elron. Fortunately, I borrowed them from the library so I only wasted time out of my life on them instead of money.

      Then I wised up and realized how books by Elron get on the best seller lists.

      A better book would be "Inferno", by Niven and Pournelle. It's a modern-day remake of Dante's Inferno. Elron has a bit part in it :)

    6. Re:BattleField Earth. by pixelgeek · · Score: 1

      Books that I think are well written? Interesting question. Off the top of my head I would say

      • Use of Weapons by Ian M. Banks
      • Perdito Street Station by China Meiville
      • any novel by Ken Macleod
      • Light by M John Harrison
      • any of the Malazan series by Steven Erikson
      • Red Robe (or any of the novels) by Jon Courtney Grimwood

      I'd also have to say that almost anything by Ian (M) Banks is very well written.

      I think Ender's Game (and the follow-up novels) would definetely be in my list of favourite novels. As would David Weber's Honour Harrington series (can't recommend that enough).

      Weber is certainly not the best writer (certainly not in same category as someone like Banks) but he does write well paced novels with interesting battles and characters that you really grow to care about.

      And I do play the odd game of chess but I am really bad at it :-)

    7. Re:BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

      I guess i usually quit reading a book i don't like. I didn't read past the first book because i felt like Hubbard had taken the idea as far as it would go. I think he made a simple story into a very interesting tale that had zest on several levels, but I agree it may be to simple of story for the super intellects around me. I wouldn't ever judge anyones choice. Even those that have to rewrite others works. I was curious if Inferno was the only suggestion you had. I know one series that is very good and suberbly written was the Unbeliever Series, by Donadlson. Forgive my spelling.

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      Jeoin
    8. Re:BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

      Well Pixelgeek i like your style. If you want to play chess with me check out www.redhotchess.com. My username is jeoin, and the registration is free. I loved the wheel of time books very well good series. I think i stopped reading it because it got to grandiose(sp). I added your list of books to my check out section. come play chess.

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      Jeoin
    9. Re:BattleField Earth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bahahah arguing round for round about whether or not battlefield earth was a good read?

      DORKS!

    10. Re:BattleField Earth. by mfrank · · Score: 1

      You'd probably like "Before The Golden Age" edited by Asimov; it's a bunch of short stories from the 20's and 30's. They're "pulp" stories like Battlefield Earth. Some good stories in it.

      I guess the reason I didn't like Battlefield Earth was it was written in the pulp style. I don't mind the pulp style, as long as it was written back when the pulp style was in style. That, and it had some really stupid things in it that as an engineer totally ruined the book for me. Like when they heard the supersonic spy plane coming their way and hid from it before it passed over. There was a bunch of stuff like that. Again, I can handle stuff like that when it was written 50 or 60 years ago, before Campbell raised the bar on what science fiction should be, but not if it's written recently.

      I also almost never quit reading a book without finishing it. That didn't help matters much with Battlefield Earth :).

      And yeah, the Unbeliever series was good. A lot of the Niven/Pournelle stuff is good, like Ringworld, Mote In God's Eye, Lucifer's Hammer. You may want to look at the Man/Kzin Wars series, too.

    11. Re:BattleField Earth. by jeoin · · Score: 1

      i have to reply to you because your a coward. try to find the courage to say your name. harharhar... mine is john garner. i still like the book and you can *&%^-off if you don't like it. the guy asked for a good summer read. i gave him one. you did what exactly?

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      Jeoin
  51. Charlie Wilson's War, Bringing Down The House. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    OK - CW'sW is marginally techie in the application of 20th c weapons to 16th c fighters, but your jaw will be on the floor. Cyberstuff will seem very very tame. Charlie Wilson's social engineering skills (what'n they used to call "politics") will make Kevin Mitnik look like a 4th rate lock picker.

    Bringing Down The House - well what can a bunch of MITers and others do when they really set their minds to it. You'll recognize personalities here. You'll wish it was you until it hits the fan.

    And as the man said, these stories "have the added benefit of being true."

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    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
  52. Code Book, by Simon Singh by ruebarb · · Score: 2, Informative

    just a cool book on the history of codes and encryption - It' been reviewed on /. - history of codes...the Codebreakers is good too, though pretty long and mostly centered on the WWII Enigma cracking.

    don't waste your time though trying to solve the puzzles at the end, unless you're bored...the puzzle and 10,000 pounds were won less then a year after the challenge was issued, I think...

    RB

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    ah honey, we're all resplendent - Bill Mallonee
    1. Re:Code Book, by Simon Singh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this book was really an enjoyable read. I should go check it out again.

    2. Re:Code Book, by Simon Singh by d3ut3r0n · · Score: 1

      Definitely - it's a book that you can pick up again and again and enjoy just a few pages. Singh presents facts in an interesting manner - not a book you'd want to give away!

    3. Re:Code Book, by Simon Singh by CodeMaster · · Score: 1

      Mentioning Simon Singh, then definately do not miss his Fermat's Enigma (Simon Singh and John Lynch), which depicts the history of mathmatics in the same brilliant and gripping style of "The code book".

      Highly recommended especially for CS/EE/Math students/Grads that went through some advanced math!

  53. Neal Stephenson by oldmildog · · Score: 1

    You mentioned Snow Crash, but not Cryptonomicon (which I personally enjoyed more than Snow Crash). Oh, it's a hefty read... maybe pick up that and a Clancy novel and call it a summer.

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    They have the Internet on computers now?
  54. Some light reading by cr0z01d · · Score: 1

    My favorite reading experiences are usually those summer days when I'm on vacation (no computer), and it's hot (don't want to be too active). I alternate some classics with some sci-fi / fantasy.
    Some of Asimov's series make my favorite summer reading, like the one that begins with "Caves of Steel". I've also done the Ender series, the Hyperion series, and I plan on reading some Wheel of Time this summer.
    As long as you don't stagnate over the summer, almost any book will do... I know that if I avoid reading for more than about a week it gets hard to get back into the habit. Don't push those books back into the later summer weeks!
    Of course, I feel obligated to post because there are only 13 postings above me.

  55. The Sparrow by Soukyan · · Score: 1

    You may want to check out The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell. It's a cross of sci-fi, sociology and anthropology all wrapped up in a neat little fiction-style novel. Quite an interesting read and as some parts can be quite disturbing at times, you might put it down more than once and come back to it later. It should certainly fill your summer and is worth reading. It will spark alot of thought for you.

    1. Re:The Sparrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to The Sparrow. Just be forewarned: the sequel has a completely different feel to it -- still worth reading, I think, but maybe don't think of it as a sequel.

  56. Cryptonomicon by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    Big, thik book.

    You'll be talking about giant lizards for weeks...

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    You can't take the sky from me...

  57. good read by bark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about the complete works of Shakespeare?

    Nothing beats a nice assortment of Elizabethan plays.

    1. Re:Good Read by rossifer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "Cryptonomicon" is crap. Neal forgot how to do effective exposition since "Diamond Age" and got all caught up in the high tech gee gaws of today's tech crowd. He also failed to bring together a potentially interesting set of character arcs by writing supremely uninteresting characters based on idiosyncracies of a bunch of his geek friends.

      He's written better and he'll write better again. Forget about "Cryptonomicon", it isn't worth your time.

      Regards,
      Ross

    2. Re:Good Read by Moofie · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Wow. I disagree with you. Lots of people agree with me.

      I found the characters fascinating and the story fun. Yes, it was long...but I've never been scared of big books.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    3. Re:Good Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say, like some other folk, that Cryptonomicon sucked, but for some reason it sticks with me. The best bloated tech novel since Wyrm.

    4. Re:Good Read by yeah_right · · Score: 1

      Great book, can't recommend it enough. If you read nothing else this summer, read Cryptonomicon.

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      haven't had time to steal a good sig yet
    5. Re:Good Read by kungfuBreaks · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually, you'd be surprised how many people agree with the parent (and hence disagree with you). Though I'm not sure what that proves exactly,,,

    6. Re:Good Read by chrisos · · Score: 1
      Though I'm not sure what that proves exactly

      Er... I think you'll find it proves the subjective nature of book enjoyment.
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      If nature abhors a vacuum, why isn't there more dust in the world?
    7. Re:Good Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cryptonomicon is worth reading if only for the Cap'n Crunch chapter.

    8. Re:Good Read by ozbon · · Score: 1

      I liked Cryptonomicon - but seeing Stephenson read the Cap'n Crunch chapter in a book signing made it even better. *Grin*.

      As for the parent(ish) WAY back up there, I'm not sure I'd say the characters weren't written properly at all - there was enough to make them distinct personalities etc. However, as it's supposed to be part of a trilogy, I can see why the complete character curves aren't contained within just one book.

      On a minor tangent, Interface by "Stephen Bury" (actually Neal Stephenson and Fredirck George, whoever he is) is another stupendous read.

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      I say we take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...
    9. Re:Good Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good things about Cryptonomicon:

      1) per page value is wonderful
      2) Can weigh down your truck in the winter
      3) Great Cardio workout while reading
      4) You can feel smart when walking down the street with it

      Bad things:

      1) I started reading it a year ago, and am not done yet.

    10. Re:Good Read by happyDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd have to disagree. Cryptonomicon balances character and plot much better than Diamond Age. I've read most of Stephenson's stuff, except for Big U. Zodiac, Snow Crash (x3), Diamond Age, Cryptonomicon (x2.5--I'm in the middle of my third go-round right now).

      I loved Cryptonomicon. It was the first of his books that I read. I think the characters are fully realized, fully realistic, and, best of all, dynamic.

      The Cap'n Crunch chapter is good, but my favorite is Ronald Reagan's interview with Bobby Shaftoe. Bobby Shaftoe is awesome. Haiku-spouting, Philipina-loving stupendous bad-ass. Actually, I changed my mind. My favorite passage (out of almost any book) is the first paragraph. That and the "until he's 25" section of Snow Crash. Stephenson has the pulse of man-geeks.

      Uninteresting characters? Maybe. Maybe...no. Both main Waterhouses are interesting, and I think the depiction of Lawrence's naivete is just amazing. His ability to switch viewpoints from character to character and to modulate his writing style just enough to let you get a feel for each character. He doesn't write the same for Lawrence, Randy, or Bobby.

      The worst thing about the book is, unfortunately, the editing. There are quite a few typos, and some major slip-ups that should have been caught.

      By the way, if you get a chance, listen to the audiobook of Snow Crash. Audiobooks are the saving grace of commuting.

    11. Re:Good Read by Nevermort · · Score: 1

      I agree that Cryptonomicon was a great read,,, right up to the last 50 pages. Suddenly the main character solves his remaining problems with one explosive idea (which I'm still not convinced would work); and he gets the girl. What was Neal thinking? Did his publisher say sorry Neal, you have to keep it below 930 pages?

    12. Re:Good Read by FredKiesche · · Score: 1

      Greetings: IIRC, he has admitted to the typos and even set about correcting them for subsequent editions of the book. Maybe the paperback is more error-free than the hardcover (which I read when it came out). I have to admit that "Crypt" is the first Stephenson book other than "In the Beginning..." that I've been able to get through. Many of my friends pushed "Snowcrash" and "Diamond Age" on me, I've never been able to get through either despite repeated attempts. And here's a query: According to an interview I read with Stephenson, he stated that there would not be a electronic book edition of "Crypt" because of the playing card cryptography system that forms part of the text (and one of the appendixes). He stated that this would make it the equivalent of software, and you could not sell the book outside the US as the government would consider this about the same as trying to sell atomic weapons... So now that the electronic book edition is out, is it "crippled"? Is the playing card cryptography system still in there? Or has all that stuff been excised? FPK3

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      "Ah Mr. Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, o
  58. I agree... by rmdyer · · Score: 1

    True hackers read engineering, programming, and science books. Leave the fiction writers to dwell on things that are for the purpose of fantasy and escape, and sometimes glimpses into the future.

    The end is not the point, getting there, now that's a really journey!

    The needs of the many can be accommodated by the work of the few. The needs of the few, are, for the most part, irrelevant.

    +2 cents.

    1. Re:I agree... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
      Ahh...but one could easily argue that the function of the literary artist, not just the paperback writer, is to help push things forward. Jules Verne was an SF writer, but if it weren't for engineers who read 20,000 Leagues would the submarines of today be what they are, or would we be looking at something that is of direct lineage from the ironclads of the Civil War?

      Art and industry go hand in hand. The Oracle is very correct when she tells Neo that one (machines) cannot exist without the other (humanity). Practicality and logic cannot rule alone, not can passion and emotion.

  59. Book suggestion by war3rd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Or the whole series if you have the time. This guy pulls out everything from Canturbury Tales to cyberfreakiness in this work. Definitely a well-rounded read and incredibly absorbing. If you enjoyed any of the books you mentioned then you should like the Hyperion Cantos.

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    Got sushi? The Sushi FAQ
    1. Re:Book suggestion by roju · · Score: 1

      The only problem with Hyperion is finding copies of the sequels. By the time I found the first sequel, I'd forgotten the first, but read it recently enough that re-reading it was frustrating. So, take my advice and have a copy of the whole series before starting...
      Or, just find a good bookstore.

    2. Re:Book suggestion by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yeah. That and the fact that the "plot" comes to a COMPLETE SCREECHING HALT one page before the end of the book.

      I actually threw that book across the room. ZERO resolution at the end. Totally unfulfilling. Dan Simmons is not my friend. i didn't really enjoy the short stories bits, and then when they didn't resolve, I was really mad.

      Kind of like Canterbury Tales. Only boringer.

      (yes, I said boringer. Deal.)

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    3. Re:Book suggestion by jlusk4 · · Score: 1

      Me too. Wotta rip.

    4. Re:Book suggestion by Khelder · · Score: 1

      Hyperion was recommended to me by a friend who usually has pretty good taste, so I expected to enjoy it, but I was really disappointed. I didn't find the characters very compelling and I also found the ending very unsatisfying.

  60. Mills and Boon by wishes · · Score: 1

    I always find a nice Mills and Boon great reading!

    Helps with those aweful nights of insomnia!

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  61. Some must-read modern classics for geeks by privacyt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series by Douglas Adams -- a hilarious take on Sci-Fi, the Hitchhiker's Guide has been read by many of the most influential hackers. (I'm using that term in its good sense.)

    Then there's that little sci fi novel by George Orwell called 1984 -- which is important for geeks who want to be informed citizens

    1. Re:Some must-read modern classics for geeks by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      As long as you're recommending 1984, I'd like to add Brave New World (author, anybody? I can't remember) and Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano.

      --
      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
    2. Re:Some must-read modern classics for geeks by privacyt · · Score: 1
      As long as you're recommending 1984, I'd like to add Brave New World (author, anybody? I can't remember) and Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano.

      Yes! Brave New World (by Aldous Huxley) is excellent. IMHO, it should be required reading for people who are involved with the issues of human cloning, genetic engineering, and even fetal tissue research. Whether you're for or against those issues (I'm undecided myself), Brave New World at least gets you thinking about possible worst-case scenarios.

      I haven't read Player Piano, but I'll definitely need to. Good suggestion! I googled it, and apparently it's about what the future's like when computers do everything for us.

    3. Re:Some must-read modern classics for geeks by gamblers-ruin · · Score: 1

      Christ, Marx, Wood, and Wei lead us to this perfect day. In the tradition of 1984 and Brave New World, This Perfect Day is an overlooked masterpiece. I would recomend it to everyone.

      --
      What if there was a war... and nobody showed up?
    4. Re:Some must-read modern classics for geeks by Moonlore · · Score: 1

      My Gods... someone ELSE has heard of this book?!? I read this in high school, it blew my mind, never saw it again. As for my recommendation, try:
      The Journeys of McGill Feighan series, by Kevin O'Donnell, Jr. A most interesting take on interstellar travel.
      The Hilarious Castle series, by John DeChancie (starting with Castle Perilous) Mostly fantasy, but mixes in some sci-fi. Funny reading.

  62. Net Force? by jrl87 · · Score: 1

    I know this doesn't classify as a hacker or sci-fi/fantasy, but if you start with Cybernation and read the books that come after it you will find some interesting views on open source. In particular making the entire world open source. You'll find it listed under Tom Clancy; however, in my opinion the only ones that are interesting are written by Steve Perry and his associates.

  63. Good Omens by Niel Gaiman & Terry Pratchett by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Absolutely stellar story. Check Amazon.
    Pratchett (of Discworld fame) and Gaiman (of Sandman fame) may seem an unlikely combination, but the topic (Armageddon) of this fast-paced novel is old hat to both. Pratchett's wackiness collaborates with Gaiman's morbid humor; the result is a humanist delight to be savored and reread again and again. You see, there was a bit of a mixup when the Antichrist was born, due in part to the machinations of Crowley, who did not so much fall as saunter downwards, and in part to the mysterious ways as manifested in the form of a part-time rare book dealer, an angel named Aziraphale. Like top agents everywhere, they've long had more in common with each other than the sides they represent, or the conflict they are nominally engaged in. The only person who knows how it will all end is Agnes Nutter, a witch whose prophecies all come true, if one can only manage to decipher them. The minor characters along the way (Famine makes an appearance as diet crazes, no-calorie food and anorexia epidemics) are as much fun as the story as a whole, which adds up to one of those rare books which is enormous fun to read the first time, and the second time, and the third time... --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

    1. Re:Good Omens by Niel Gaiman & Terry Pratchett by jra101 · · Score: 1

      I just bought this, its hilarious and a great read.

      --
      I write code.
    2. Re:Good Omens by Niel Gaiman & Terry Pratchett by Medieval_Thinker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I heartily agree with this recommendation.

      My mother bought me this book because she thought I would find the "motorcyclists of the apocalypse" amusing. It was a great read, and I have often laughed about some of the images.

      Do yourself a favor and get this book. Then start listening to NPR. Buy the books they review. You get a wide variety of good reads this way. I got _Ice_Masters_ via NPR last summer, and I never would have bought it otherwise.

      If you haven't read _Confederacy_of_Dunces_ do it soon. _Catch_22_ is another classic I have read more than once. _Jupiter's_Travels_ is a winner and the author is currently going around the world again.

      I'll spare you a longer list.

  64. (scifi+geek)-hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thought u knew... read M$'s press releases

  65. Depends. Enjoy sanity? by pla · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anything not tech-related (sci-fi excluded, of course).

    Seriously, books with pictures of obscure animals on the cover, done in a faux-woodprint style, count as what we call "reference books".

    When you have a specific question about how to use a particular construct in Malbolge, you pick up the book with the woodcut of the naked molerat(tm) and turn to the chapter on painless suicide methods.

    You don't just READ such a book from cover-to-cover, a feat only slightly less painful than Vogon poetry.

    Which brings me to my real suggestion - Reread the entire works of Douglas Adams. Most folks know the HHgttG series, but not the joys of "Dirk Gently's Holsitic detective agency" or "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". Great books in their own rights.

  66. Vinge of course by fuzzeli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that Vernor Vinge is an essential geek read, most especially the loosely-related and absolutely fantastic pair, "A Fire Upon the Deep" and "A Deepness in the Sky". And the Motie Books, "The Mote in God's Eye" and "The Gripping Hand" by Niven and Pournelle, are a great first contact story. Also, anything by Robert Forward (especially Dragon's Egg and Starquake) is guaranteed to by intellectually fascinating and horribly written.

    1. Re:Vinge of course by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      yes, yes, yes! I have been a Niven fan for a long time, and I also love Vernor Vinge. I love the Vinge short story Fast Times at Fairmont High. My favorite Niven short story is The Fifth Profession, also I loved Borderland Sol, both of which are either in N-Space or Playgrounds of the Mind. My favorite Niven novels are probably the Mote series, but I also loved Oath of Fealty and Ringworld.

      --
      Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    2. Re:Vinge of course by Orii · · Score: 1

      I definitely have to second the recommendation for Vinge's books. The stories are wonderful, and there are some very cool ideas thrown around, ranging from a nightmarish surveillance system to a hilarious interstellar Usenet to the invention (as far as I know) of the term "software archaeology." I rate "A Deepness in the Sky" as the best, but I'm sure others can justify disagreeing with me. It and "A Fire Upon the Deep" won (deservedly) top awards in science fiction. Hey, even "Across Realtime" and "True Names" are well worth the time to read.

      "The Mote in God's Eye" is pretty good too. I'll also plug some books people recommended in other comments: The Hyperion novels by Dan Simmons are highly cool, and definitely check out "Startide Rising" by David Brin.

      Crud, now I'm going to have to dig through my bookshelves and reread some of those....

    3. Re:Vinge of course by incom · · Score: 1

      Loosely related is right! They are essentially the adventures of one character, but their in totally different universes.

      --
      True genius is grasping a situation like a peice of fruit, and peircing it just right so that it drains dry.
    4. Re:Vinge of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and there are some very cool ideas thrown around,

      Ever had a finger wagging lecture from someone about the need for "focus?" Read 'A Deepness In The Sky' and be creeped out. I know plenty of employers who would think it was marvellous.

    5. Re:Vinge of course by rsw · · Score: 1

      If you'd like to sample some Vinge first, I have True Names on my server. It's available in .ps and .pdf format, as well as in a tarball with .dvi files and images.

      http://positron.jfet.org/pub/truename/

  67. Piers Anthony! by jargonCCNA · · Score: 2

    The XANTH series is an absolute riot. I highly recommend it.

    --
    Matthew G P Coe
    http://mgpcoe.blogspot.com/
    1. Re:Piers Anthony! by bstadil · · Score: 1
      WHAT FUCKING IAN GUY?!!"

      One of my favorite movies, excellent Sig.

      Nick Hornby's How to be Good is excellent. and will make good Summer reading. Not as good as What about a boy, but on par with (Your Sig) High Fidelity.

      --
      Help fight continental drift.
  68. My favorite books... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    First of all, if you want to read more SF/fantasy/geek books, then you should make a point of reading a few books out of that genre as well. Get away from the familiar.

    Now having said that, most of these fall roughly into that category. :-) In no particular order, I give you some of the finest contemporary (mostly) literature available...

    Neverwhere, Neil Gaiman
    In Watermelon Sugar, Richard Brautigan
    Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World, Hiroki Murakami
    Fool on the Hill, Matt Ruff
    To Kill a Mockingbird, Harper Lee
    Press Enter, John Varley
    Sewer, Gas & Electric, Matt Ruff
    the entire series of Sandman comics, Neil Gaiman
    Lord of the Rings. (go read it again)
    Harry Potter #1-5 (Yeah, they're that good!)
    The Persistence of Vision, John Varley
    Bringing Down the House (new nonfiction, about MIT math students taking on Vegas. Perfect summer fare)

    The Varley books and possibly the Brautigan might be hard to find new--in anthologies if at all. Check the used bookstores for them.

    --

    "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  69. REAd by Shutup+Now · · Score: 0

    REd mars, green mars, and blue mars. The names sound stupid but they are the three best books ive ever read... and ive read way to many books in my life.

  70. Cryptonomicon and friends by target · · Score: 1

    There are a ton of good geek books out there, especially in the scifi realm. Some of my favorites include:

    Cryptonomicon. You've read snow crash, so you know all about Stephenson. Diamond Age is also excellent.

    Ender's Game is good, as is Speaker for the Dead. A book that feels somewhat similar for some reason, but is more literary, is Hyperion. Quite good.

    If you like fantasy, Guy Gavriel Kay writes excellent somewhat historically based fantasy. He got his name by editing the Silmarillion. Tigana is good, Sailing to Serantium is fantastic. Avoid the Fionavar Tapestry trilogy. It's formulaic schlock.

    Well, that should get you started!

    Enjoy,
    target

    1. Re:Cryptonomicon and friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fionavar Tapestry my be formulaic schlock, but it is the book that got me reading Fantasy, and the Arthurain myth thing is way over used now, but back when I read it in the early 80's no one doing Arthurain legends so I really enjoyed it, in fact I still list it as one of the most influential books I have read, in terms of the effect it had on my future reading. And the characters are great.

      Having said all that I can't recommend Guy Gaveril Kay highly enough, he is just such a good writer. Read any of his books.

  71. Broaden your horizons by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    Mix up your reading. It's a great way to avoid geek burnout, and sooner or later, you will have burnout. Try a mix of classic lit, modern popular novels, philosophy,religion, and history.

    In fact, balance is a good idea for life in general...get away from your keyboard and do new things.

    --
    Life is hard, and the world is cruel
  72. How was this missed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Foundation Trilogy (Asimov) won the Hugo award for best sci-fi/fantasy trilogy ever (this award has only been given out once, obviously). Definitely worth reading.

  73. Samuel R. Delany by Devil · · Score: 1

    Try Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren . It'll take you all summer, but it is one of the most magnificent books I've ever read. Delany's work has been coming back into print and that's definitely a good thing. If Dhalgren seems like too much, try Nova ; it's shorter and makes for a great, swashbuckling adventure.

  74. Don't be prudes..It is actually a healthy stress by Martin+Marvinski · · Score: 1

    reliever. Sex is nataural and healthy, and masturbation is no different.

  75. Iain M. Banks SF Books by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All of these SF books are pretty good. He writes pretty good fiction as well.

    Reading "Consider Phlebas" (title is a nod to T S Eliot's "The Waste Land") right now.

    1. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by pixelgeek · · Score: 1

      Banks actually has many references to Eliot in his books. The title of his last sci-fi book "look to Windward" is from T.S Eliot's The Waste Land Consider Phlebas is a good title but of the bunch I would recommend The Use of Weapons. Great writing, tight plot and a great ending.

    2. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by morn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes! Banks is an unsung hero here in the US, I think because his books are marketed amongst the throwaway SF paperbacks (complete with stereotypical SF/fantasy covers), so people never pick them up. Use of Weapons is out of print in the USA, but it can still be found in the UK, and shipping from amazon.co.uk is not very expensive (plus, for what it's worth, you'll get the cool looking stylised UK cover art). I highly recommend it.

      --

      ...or am I missing something?

    3. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by Tim+Evans · · Score: 1

      Anyone picking up one of Banks books expecting a throwaway SF paperback is in for a nasty surprise. I think they are excellent, but not what I would call easy to read, they demand a little more thought and attention than, for example, a David Weber SF book (not that Weber books are bad or anything).

      I just finished Use of Weapons (it's still on shelves in New Zealand). That ending is disturbing.

    4. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by sp1nl0ck · · Score: 1

      Gotta agree on Iain M. Banks. To be honest, I didn't think Consider Phlebas was all that great by comparison with the rest, but The Player of Games is probably the best one to start with if you've never read anything by him before, and Excession is probably the best of the bunch that I've read.

      Use of Weapons is a good read as well (polished it off on a two week holiday recently), and got through Feersum Endjinn on the same break. Feersum Endjinn is a shorter book than the rest (unless you count The State of the Art, his short story collection), but needs a bit of concentration - one quarter of the book is written in the style of a (seemingly dyslexic) 10-year-old - it's all written semi-phonetically. Yood reelay need 2c it 2 get th eyedea. It's a damn good read though.

      Just started on Against a Dark Background - don't know what to make of it yet...

      A while back, I read The Illuminatus! Trilogy. Talk about fscked up. One of the toughest reads I've ever encountered, because for the most part it's an apparently structureless morass of utter twaddle. It took me a couple of months to get through it and it was, shall we say, less than completely enjoyable...

      On the non-sci-fi front, if you want a really challenging read, try Moby Dick - I've tried and failed to finish this book three times, and it is the strongest contender for the title of Great American Novel by a very long way. My uncle (a prof of English Lit) recommended it to my Dad, who never finished it, and he recommended it to me. I don't know what I did wrong to receive the recommendation though. Oh, and it'll take you the whole Summer (and possibly all of Autumn and part of Winter) to get through it ;-)

      --
      War is God's way of teaching Americans geography
    5. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by ecotax · · Score: 1

      AOL on the reading order you suggested. As an addition, to get a feeling for his style, reading one or two of the short stories in 'The State of the Art' is an option too.

      Good luck with 'Against a Dark Background', it was the only one of his books I didn't really like.

      --
      "Money is a sign of poverty." - Iain Banks
    6. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

      On the non-sci-fi front, if you want a really challenging read, try Moby Dick - I've tried and failed to finish this book three times, and it is the strongest contender for the title of Great American Novel by a very long way.

      Do Dick the way I did Dick: side by side with the Cliff notes (yes, this was a voluntary read). That way you catch all the allusions and symbolism which are a big part of the novel. Also, you can skip or skim chapters like the one on the history of whaling through the centuries without worrying about missing anything.

      --
      Mod down people who tell people how to mod in their sigs
    7. Re:Iain M. Banks SF Books by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 1

      Use of Weapons was quite good, but the end was indeed rather disturbing (read The Wasp Factory if you want something more disturbing).

      I've found the UK editions at borders on occasion, even with the "Not for resale in the US" printed on them. Oh well.

  76. Isaac Asimove by Kallahan · · Score: 1

    Isaac Asimove's work is the foundation (pun intended) for all modern sci-fi. Check out his non-fiction too. His catalogue should last you a month :) they are really good too.

    1. Re:Isaac Asimove by hastings14 · · Score: 1

      There is no "e" at the end of Asimov. Also, since he has written around 450 books you'd have to read 15 books a day, or around one book per waking hour, to read them all in a month. Or was that a joke?

  77. Try googling for the title... heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great story. You can tell it's popular if you google for "good omens", and the book comes up first.

  78. A few good reads by arnie_apesacrappin · · Score: 1
    I'm in the middle of Mastering Regular Expressions from the O'Reilly series is actually a fairly engaging book and is a great reference on the subject. It is written in a way that will keep you just past the edge of understanding throughout the book. By that, I mean that if you are paying attention, you will be thinking about what the auther is about to cover before each topic is introduced.

    From the classics section, I would recommend Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. It is an involved read, but a great story by a masterful author.

    For a cool geek-type fiction book, I would recommend Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut. I personally like Vonnegut's style, so I've appreciated all of his books, but that one has some quality that seems to fit the /. crowd.

    For good quick-reading mystery/suspense fiction, I would recommend The First Horseman by John Case. It's interesting and hits home in that it isn't too far from reality.

    Finally, for something that is just chilling (and wickedly gross at some points) check out The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. It follows the story of an Ebola outbreak with extremely vivid detail.

    --

    Still, with a plan, you only get the best you can imagine. I'd always hoped for something better than that. -CP

  79. Walter Jon Williams by Moekandu · · Score: 1

    If you want more cyberpunk, he's your man.

    Voice of the Whirlwind
    Hardwired

    and for a little post-cyberpunk era:

    Aristoi

    Actually, all his stuff is primo-fantastico.

    Then there's also Bruce Sterling's Islands in the Net, Babel 17 and Nova by Samuel R. Delany, and you could also try The Diamond Age and The Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson if you haven't read them already.

    That's all I can come up with off the top of my head for techie/cyberpunk, but I'll keep thinking on it.

    If you want science fiction in general, I could give you a fairly sizable list.

    Moekandu

    "Don't pull on that. You don't know what it might be attached to." - Buckaroo Banzai

    --
    Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes genius. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  80. Second Cryptonomicon by kgbkgb · · Score: 1

    I second the motion for Cryptonomicon. I've only just started it, but it's really good so far!

  81. Seek the path less read by pyarra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every geek reads Gibson and Stephenson (and rightly so) but you ought to have a look at some stuff by Greg Egan, Michael Marshall Smith, Bruce Sterling and Pat Cadigan. Their names crop up less often, but their writings are excellent. I'm re-reading Egan's "Quarantine", and it's amazing stuff. I've read Sterling's "Islands in the Net" so many times I've lost count.

  82. Speed of Dark by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    By Elizabeth Moon

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    Yay me!

  83. Tuxedo Park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rich ,gentleman scientist saves the world.

  84. Daniel Keys Moran & Dan Simmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Daniel Keys Moran:

    The Last Dancer (if you only have time for one read this one)
    The Long Run: A Tale of the Continuing Time
    Emerald Eyes
    The Armageddon Blues

    Dan Simmons:

    Hyperion (or this one)
    The Fall of Hyperion

  85. Ooh! Ooh! by ryanr · · Score: 1

    Is that an invitation to plug my new book?

    Stealing The Network

    After you get done reading all the excellent suggestions here written by really good authors, check mine out. ;)

  86. Alternative to Reading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beer. Admittedly there isn't much reading on the labels but it can take you to strange worlds.

  87. Wayfarer's Redemption by Sara Douglass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wayfarer's Redemption is a series written by a Aussie which recent got published as a trilogy in the US. It is fantasy genre. I thought the first book was nearly as good as The Hobbit. The latter two were also okay.

  88. Read THIS by TexVex · · Score: 1

    Vectors. This book pwns jo0!!!!11!

    It's sci-fi that tackles the subject of life after death by means of neuroscience. Set in the near future, it provides a very plausible setting, deep characters, and a very entertaining ride. I can't wait for the sequel.

    --
    Fun with Anagarams! LADS HOST, SHALT DOS. HAS DOLTS. AD SLOTHS, HATS SOLD. ASS HO, LTD.
  89. Jennifer Government by tkdack · · Score: 1

    Jennifer Government by Max Barry.

    You can even play the game, Nation States.

    Stay tuned for the movie.

    1. Re:Jennifer Government by Silwenae · · Score: 1

      I can't recommend this book highly enough.

      My boss recommended it to me a few weeks ago, and I just picked it up, and can't set it down.

      From BN.com (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnI nquiry.asp?userid=2TJEZWE6HK&isbn=0385507593&itm=1 ):

      From the Publisher
      Jennifer Government is Here to Help!
      In Max Barry's twisted, hilarious vision of the near future, the world is run by giant American corporations (except for a few deluded holdouts like the French); taxes are illegal; employees take the last names of the companies they work for; The Police and The NRA are publicly-traded security firms; the U.S. government may only investigate crimes if they can bill a citizen directly. It's a free market paradise!
      Hack Nike is a lowly Merchandising Officer who's not very good at negotiating his salary. So when John Nike and John Nike, executives from the promised land of Marketing, offer him a contract, he signs without reading it. Unfortunately, Hack's new contract involves shooting teenagers to build up street cred for Nike's new line of $2,500 sneakers. Scared, Hack goes to The Police, who assume he's asking for a subcontracting deal and lease the assassinations to the NRA.
      Soon Hack finds himself pursued by Jennifer Government, a tough-talking agent with a barcode tattoo under her eye and a rabid determination to nail John Nike (the boss of the other John Nike). In a world where your job title means everything, the most cherished possession is a platinum credit card, and advertising jingles give way to automatic weapons in the fight for market share, Jennifer Government is the consumer watchdog from hell.
      Jennifer Government is the kind of novel that can become a byword--a Catch-22 for the New World Order, a satire both broad and pointed, deeply funny and disturbingly on-target.
      From the Hardcover edition.

      Author Biography: MAX BARRY is an Australian, for which he apologizes. He is the author of the cult hit Syrup, although he spelled his name "Maxx" for that novel "because it seemed like a funny joke about marketing, and I failed to realize everyone would assume I was a pretentious asshole." He was born on March 18, 1973 and lives in Melbourne, Australia, where he writes full-time, the advantage being that he can do it while wearing only boxer shorts.
      From the Hardcover edition.

      Not quite cyberpunk, but it's a very interesting book - what if Big Businesses rule the world?

      Sil

    2. Re:Jennifer Government by tkdack · · Score: 1

      I can't recommend this book highly enough.

      My boss recommended it to me a few weeks ago, and I just picked it up, and can't set it down.

      Same here. I think I actually read it in about 2 days (granted I was travelling). I've since re-read it, an excellent read.

  90. Don't be a categorisist-- read! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, you're already a qualified geek, so why don't you try to broaden your perspective a bit and read something else, like Wittgenstein. Seriously, as a former fresh graduate: take advantage of the time to see what else is out there... don't pigeon-hole yourself- read something random.

    -spmd

  91. One of the best ever by Nutrimentia · · Score: 1

    The Boomer Bible.

    No, I'm not getting all Christian on you here. It's more of a commentary on humanity and modern society that co-opts the structure of the Holy Bible. Excellent reading indeed.

    Note:

    Odd Facts
    Some odd facts about The Boomer Bible . . .

    Considering that at least one reviewer called this book "impressively empty-headed" and that the Vatican of American literature (a.k.a. The New York Times) refused to review it at all, the fact that the answer to all of the following questions is "The Boomer Bible" seems odd indeed...

    What work of fiction is so diverse in its content that it includes songs, anapestic verse, hymns, slide presentations, commercials, prayers, limericks, mathematical equations, word and number games, treasure hunts, and computer programs?

    Given that chapter-and-verse is a poetic form, what work is demonstrably the longest poem ever written in English?

    What work of fiction is written in first- second-, and third-person points of view?

    What work of fiction contains, or makes significant use of, references to more than 200 works from the canon of English literature?

    What work besides the Holy Bible contains more than 12,000 internal references?

    What work of any kind other than the Holy Bible is so comprehensive in its subject matter that quotes from its text can be used to comment on virtually any news or feature story in the headlines, from pop culture to hard science to highbrow art to everyday politics?

    What work of any kind anticipates and satirizes in its text every single criticism leveled against it by unwitting reviewers?

    What work of any kind can be read linearly, concentrically, in random order, or in infinite variations of all of these without either losing coherence or requiring any retroactive reconstruction of linearity to divine its meaning?

    What work of any kind has so confused bookstore clerks as to wind up being shelved, variously, in Humor, Fiction, Sociology, Philosophy, Religion, and Bible sections?

    1. Re:One of the best ever by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I've seen that in the bookstore, but it's so damn true as to be depressing. I think that The Onion does it better.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:One of the best ever by Nutrimentia · · Score: 1

      I'll grant that perhaps the Onion has a few more bits o' humor packed into its text, but the Boomer Bible busted my guts plenty. As for depressing, I don't see it, unless you mean that its depressing to have human folly pointed out to you. But even then, the BB does it with style, wit, and grace, which is the sugar needed to swallow the bitter pill of knowledge.

    3. Re:One of the best ever by gughunter · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. When I first saw it in the bookstore over a decade ago, I quickly thumbed through it, figured it was some big inside joke, and set it down. Then my mom got it for me for Christmas and I gave it a try. Since then I've bought copies for several friends.

      Once you get into the quirky rhythm of the writing, it's very entertaining. There are even some sections, like the Book of Rationalizations and some parts of the Punk Testament, that make me all weepy.

      I'm really quite surprised it hasn't developed a larger "cult following" by now. Oh well... or should I say, shammadamma?

  92. How about Buzz Aldrin? by apsmith · · Score: 1

    I picked up The Return at our local store a few weeks ago; wasn't expecting much (and the narrative style with four separate first-person voices seemed a little strange) but I was quite pleasantly surprised. It's a good story, though tainted perhaps by the anti-Clinton anti-China tilt of 3-4 years ago when it was written. But it also is amazingly prescient (the shuttle crash will give you chills) and guardedly optimistic about our future in space.

    Not exactly a Neil Stevenson book, but a very enjoyable read.

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    Energy: time to change the picture.

  93. Re:Harry Potter ... Order of the Phoenix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    The new book "The Order of the Phoenix" is going to be out in three weeks!


    Yes, but you may have trouble finding it. It will be under the name "The Order of the Mozilla Firebird" ... until a few more weeks after that when it will change again.

  94. The Bug by bstadil · · Score: 1
    The Bug has got real good reviews.

    Heard about it on Charlie Rose last night and bought it via Amazon today. Her prior book Close to the Machineis excellent Ellen Ullman is a former SW engineer and tells a compelling story.

    Quote: Essayist, memoirist (Close to the Machine) and computer industry pioneer Ullman has now produced an illuminating novel about the fate of a programmer, Ethan Levin, who wrestles with an ineradicable bug in the heroic era of computing.

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    Help fight continental drift.
  95. Chabon is good by Ars-Gonzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Summerland, by Michael Chabon, is definitely a geek book. It's hard to describe what it is without giving a lot of the fun away. It's a fast read, and very rewarding though. Chabon is the guy who wrote The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Klay, about two cousins who live during WW2 and create a Golden Age comic hero. If you've not read Kavalier and Klay, it's very good, but it's pretty dense. I'm a fast reader, and it took me a solid two weeks to mow through it.

    I also read Masters of Doom recently, which is about the early days of id software, Carmack, and Romero. It's a New Journalism book, where the author recreated dialog in conversations and things like that so it reads more like a novel than non-fiction. The writing's not the best, but it's entertaining, especially if you remember reading the trials and tribulations of Quake, Quake2, and Daikatana on the Shugashack and Bluesnews.

    Finally, if you've not read William Gibsons Count Zero, it's excellent. I've read Neuromancer, Pattern Recognition, Idoru and am finishing Virtual Light right now, but I think I like Count Zero better than the others. Virtual Light, Pattern Recognition, Idoru, and Count Zero all share similar themes (strong but secretly vulnerable heroines in trouble with big corporations) but Count Zero does it better than the others.

    I also just finished The Diamond Age, by Stevenson. I was pretty unimpressed with it. Its plotlines aren't as intricate as Cryptonomicons, and it seems kind of like Stevenson trying to be Gibson. I was pretty unimpressed. I'm going to pick up another Stevenson book after I finish with Virtual Light.

    I could dig up some Amazon links, but I'm too lazy.

    Hope this helps! ///Will

    1. Re:Chabon is good by Shelrem · · Score: 1

      Yeah, i'm reading "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay" right now, and i'm really enjoying it. It's a book about comic book writers in the age of masked superheros, so you know there's some geekiness in there, though i wouldn't call it a "geek book" exactly. However, i'm surprised you call it dense. I'm breezing through it, and i'm generally not one to breeze through dense material. While it's a little on the long side at >600 pages, i find i've read fifty pages before i even notice.

      Anyway, i second the Chabon reccomendation.

      b.c

  96. Philip K. Dick by squarefish · · Score: 4, Informative

    The man responsible for the stories that spawed minority report and blade runner deserves some attention here. I highly recomment the valis trilogy: Valis, The Divine Invasion and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer

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    Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
    1. Re:Philip K. Dick by pixelgeek · · Score: 1
      Other good PK Dick books are
      • A Scanner Darkly
      • Radio Free Albemuth (only if you're a fan of his though)
      • Ubik
      • Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
      Ubik, oddly enough, gave me nightmares. Great read and it totally twists your perceptions.
    2. Re:Philip K. Dick by A_Duck_Named_Ping · · Score: 1
      Have to say that Ubik is a great story and unusual enough that I haven't seen much to compete with the originality since then.

    3. Re:Philip K. Dick by Kuad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quite honestly, I don't like Dick's novels all that much. They're certainly good reads, but I think they pale next to his short stories. Grab ahold of some of his short story collections and read them. "Second Variety" (which the film Screamers was very loosely based on) is especially creepy.

    4. Re:Philip K. Dick by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      Actually, I believe "Screamers" is a much more faithful adaptation of PKD's story "Second Variety" than the other filmed version of the story (better known by the title "The Terminator."

  97. Oh my! by Vann_v2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen two people (and replied to one) recommend Robert Jordan's horrible "Wheel of Time" series. Unless you like tedium I suggest you stay away from all but perhaps the first two books.

    As for my list, Frank Herbert's Dune is always a good read and, though I know many people would disagree, the fourth book, God Emperor of Dune is my favorite of the series. It's the culmination of the subtle (in the first book) Nietzschean subtext involving becoming the greatest predator ever to live, and so forth. Sounds goofy, I suppose, but I liked it.

    Another, possibly less well-known though, again in my opinion, much better written series is Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun. Gene Wolfe loves to play mind games with his readers and more often than not you're presented with puzzles that at first you don't even realize are puzzles. The whole thing is very novel and, while short (four books with about 200 pages each -- compare that to Jordan's drivel which is 7, or maybe more now, at around 1000 each) it is intense and well worth the read. Aside from the intellectual motivation to read the series, it is also simply a great story. You won't see Gene Wolfe using science-fiction as a way to retell mostly old stories(*) in some sort of "futuristic" setting. Could I possibly gush some more? Maybe, but seriously, this is one of the finest pieces of real science-fiction to come out in a long time, perhaps ever.

    (*)Ok, I lie, he does retell old stories and seemingly use the old ploys most science fiction authors do, but always in a way to poke fun at that way of writing. For example, all of his characters' names sound like science-fiction character names (Severian, Ymar, Palaemon, etc.), but in reality they're all names of obscure Catholic saints. Also, his retelling of the story of Theseus and the Minotaur using 19th century ships (which ones, I won't say, since even this fact isn't all that obvious when reading it) is wonderful.

    Anyhow, in summary, etc., and so forth, I suggest you give Gene Wolfe a try. Really. Do it. HURRY!

    1. Re:Oh my! by MrWa · · Score: 1
      I really liked Gene Wolfe's writing.

      On a related note, you might also want to check out Thomas Pynchon. When I read Gravity's Rainbow I was blown away by the symbolism and imagery of the book, while at the same time laughing out loud at the humor. Mason & Dixon was excellent as well.

      For some reason, Wolfe's and Stephenson's writing style reminded me of Pynchon in a way. The section in the bookstore may be completely different but the attention to detail is there.

  98. Note on Ayn Rand by cr0z01d · · Score: 5, Informative

    I feel kind of obliged to point out that you need to be ready to read those books. They're full of hatred for communism, and a dogmatic obsession with Ayn Rand's objectivism. Be careful lest you get to involved with those books, take a moment to step aside and try to view them from a different context than they present. Very powerful work, but on another level it is propaganda and you should always remember that.

    In addition, The Fountainhead has one of the ugliest scenes I have ever come across in any piece of literature. I'm referring to the scene involving Roarke and Dominique, which in my mind, seems more or less equivalent to rape, yet is not treated as such in the book.

    I'm just trying to give adequate warning for those who don't know what to expect from the books, they are very powerful and well written.

    1. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      The Roarke/Dominique scene, and her treatment of sexuality there and in AS, is a perfectly logical conclusion reached by a piss-poor model of humanity. Serves as an indicator of how inapplicable her thought is to life as we know it.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had read more carefully, you'd have noticed that Dominique clearly states that Roark raped her in a conversation with Wynand after the Roark/Dominique relationship is exposed during her stay at the hospital.

      Perhaps you should step closer to the book next time.....

    3. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by cr0z01d · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it wasn't rape, I said that the book didn't treat it as such. Perhaps you should step closer to the monitor next time...

    4. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Damn, boy, your abiding hatred for Rand is nearly as strong as hers was of Stalinist Russia. Turn on the propaganda machine!

      But back to the topic at hand, pretty much anything by Rand is a good read. Just take into account two things:

      - Rand *hates* dictatorships and socialism. So do I, but if you're a liberal whiner with a hard-on for European-style socialist blather then these books will step on your toes.

      - Rand swallows her own propaganda and elevates the 'businessman' to an oxygen-thin pedestal, failing to see that most 'businessmen' are just fallible human beings like anyone else.

      Other than that, Rand is adept at ripping people new assholes. Which is why you always find uptight little blowhards just waiting to scream 'foul!' the moment she or one of her works is mentioned.

      Which says, if you're bright enough to to discern the pattern, that she achieved exactly what she was aiming for.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    5. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by ghillo · · Score: 1

      "[Ayn Rand books]are full of hatred for communism, and a dogmatic obsession with Ayn Rand's objectivism." I live in former communist country and i have to say this: "hatred for communism" is a VERY GOOD attitude!

    6. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by cr0z01d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you upset at communism, or are you upset at oppressive, totalitarian communist regimes? Unfortunately, I do not feel that the book adequetely explains why communism is so bad. It does explain how ludicrous it is to equate equality with the abolishment of a system based on meritocracy (e.g., authorship as a meritocracy), that is to say, artifically give everyone an equal voice when some have no desire to speak or have shamelessly derivative voices. I agree with this aspect of egoism / objectivism. However, Ayn Rand quite incorrectly associates this extreme behavior with communism (though it no less applies to democracy), and continues, equating charity and altruism with the destruction of creative effort.

      This is counter to my life experience, I would not be half who I am if were nobody to have cared about me. I can see how Rand, having lived through the Bolshevik revolution, thought differently. Her fault lies in incorrectly associating the ostensible goals and the methods of Russian communism. The methods are deplorable, obviously -- but the goals, which she attacks with equal if not greater vehemence, are merely to secure a better standard of living for all humans.

      This is the focus of her literary assaults. It is denial of our interdependence; a rejection of human kindness.

    7. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      The comment is not directed at Rand, but the model of humainty in her thought.
      Concur that she represents an extreme view that is good for stimulating dialogue.
      However, in preaching the individual at the expense of society, she avoideth the left ditch and parketh herself in the right.
      Somewhere in between the extremes is a model whereby you can view individual/society problem in a way that makes clear sense. <><

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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    8. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by ghillo · · Score: 1

      "re you upset at communism, or are you upset at oppressive, totalitarian communist regimes?" This is the same, really. You should read works of Hayek, von Misses, Le Bone or Ayn Rand explanations of her philosphy to understend that. I know it because from experience. I've first experienced how it works, and then read all those books written years before I was born. Those people knew the communism even without actually experiencing it. I convice you: they were right in most of they explanations and what's most important forecasts. For me their books were like revelation of the truth. They knew beforehand how my life will look like! The objectivism is a bit extreme but you know, the rule is simple: If you let somebody to take care of you, you will depend on him, you become a slave actually. This is VERY BAD if you give up your freedom, especially when you give it up to the System, as it was under communism. You should really try some books of authors I mentioned here to understand why communism is a way to slavery. Comunism produces totalitarian regime from very good altruistic people. The philosphy of altruism was the main object of Ayn Rand criticism, after all.

    9. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by denisonbigred · · Score: 1

      All political/philisophical implications aside, I think that both of those books tell amazingly grand stories and that it is impossible not to enjoy reading about the accomplishments of her protagonists.

      However, you are correct that these books are, at heart, philisophical diatribes and really need to be treated as such. While Objectivism and Communism are polar oposites of each other, the similarities i see are quite strong. In theory, both seem to be quite ideal, yet you know that some deeper part of human nature will drive some people to ruin the whole system. It's sad how our nature is so imperfect that every thing must be a poor compromise.

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      "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals."
    10. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by mazarin5 · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough, Ayn Rand does hit a chord with a few people, who tend to become completely obsessed with the "philosophy" and "insights". Beware this breed, for they are adept a quoting entire chapters at the mention of economics or existentalism, or simply at the drop of a hat.

      Be wary of Randroids.

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      Fnord.
    11. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by HoldenCaulfield · · Score: 1

      Rand addressed this before, stating that if it is rape, "then it is rape by engraved invitation." It's a decent discussion questions as to whether the scene was rape, or did Dominique invite Roark, and the "forced sex" symbollic of the Objectivist philosophy.

    12. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Could you give me an example of communism that *didn't* become an "oppressive, totalitarian communist regimes"? Why would you think that it could be possible, given man's fundamental nature? How many millions have suffered and died proving that?

      Self-interest is the most powerful human force their is, and is why democracy and capitalism are so successful; they harness that force. Communism makes citizens into slaves.

      It doesn't matter how admirable the goal is if it's impossible to reach it with the method you describe.

    13. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by benzapp · · Score: 1

      I think is also important to point out that the books are most influential on people who really have had no exposure to philosophical thought. I liken them to "pulp" philosophy. Its benefit is that it gets through to the reader, and forces them to consider a different way of thinking.

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    14. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by benzapp · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in between the extremes is a model whereby you can view individual/society problem in a way that makes clear sense.

      Very, very true. Rand's model pehaps makes sense in the context of the world 100 years ago. You don't like the way one country/government/social system is organized? Fine, move someplace else. That USED to be possible, look at the American West. But today, we don't have those kinds of options. Rand's world view is simply incapable of handling our current situation with a precariously overpopulated world and 6 billion individuals living in it.

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      I don't read or respond to AC posts
    15. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! "Randroids"! I get it!

      Wow, I bet you spent all night thinking that one up.

      Good boy. Now go back under your bridge.

    16. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by cr0z01d · · Score: 1

      Was the French revolution not as dark a time as the Bolshevik? They are so similar, yet the French revolution was hardly communism.

      The concept of communism is separable from the notion that all humans are strictly equal. Communism failed because, as implemented, it ostensibly tried to eliminate human distinction rather than simply refactor existing, arbitrary distinction.

      Rand believes that humans need only rely on their in situ capabilities to achieve greatness. History has shown this to be untrue. It is entirely natural to rely on other people. I rely on farmers to grow food that I can eat to survive, but that hardly makes me their slave.

      I don't think those millions died so that they could prove that communism always fails. Millions die as a result of totalitarianism, no matter what the guise is. Hitler wasn't communist, Stalin was. Nice set of data points you have there.

    17. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by bourne · · Score: 1

      I feel kind of obliged to point out that you need to be ready to read those books.

      They are, essentially, a forceful argument to convince people to subscribe to the philosophy that Man should not be forced to subscribe to anyone else's philosophy. The books were recommended to me when I was in high school but I didn't read them until 10 years later; I'm both flattered that the guidance counselor thought I would get something out of them and glad I didn't take her up on her advice until I was a little more capable of handling that ambiguity. Otherwise I'd probably have spent 10 years with "Who is John Galt?" as my .sig.

      In addition, The Fountainhead has one of the ugliest scenes I have ever come across in any piece of literature. I'm referring to the scene involving Roarke and Dominique, which in my mind, seems more or less equivalent to rape, yet is not treated as such in the book.

      Dude, DON'T take the previous poster's suggestion and read the Gap series, then.

    18. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by mfrank · · Score: 1

      And again, how do you implement communism? Who gets to decide how much someone has, or what they have? The Soviets didn't eliminate human distinction. The managers, the scientists, the engineers lived much better than the common laborer, just as in the west. Because the system just plain sucked, though, there was far less to go around.

      Have you not noticed that the only decent countries on this planet are capitalist democracies? Even in heavily socialist European countries like Sweden, the bulk of the taxes are paid by people engaged in private industry. Please note the word "private".

      The major problem in capitalist democracies is the influence companies have on politicians. A company's purpose is to increase their wealth. A politician's purpose is to serve the public. Who should we blame for the failure? Incidentally, this failure is what drove the creation of communism (i.e. "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair).

    19. Re:Note on Ayn Rand by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...and a dogmatic obsession with Ayn Rand's objectivism

      Considering Ayn Rand herself wrote them, is it really possible that they could demonstrate a dogmatic obession? Isn't that sort of intrinsic?

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      Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan

  99. Secrets of the Temple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country by WilliamGreider (ISBN: 0671675567)

    Totally helpful for understanding current events in the economy (i.e., why grads can't find a job). You may not vote the same after reading this.

    Sorry, it's not tech or sci-fi, but it is something only a geek could get into - it's a history of the Federal Reserve, written by a mainstream (if slightly leftist) economist. It is written in a very accessible style, not Greenspan-esque at all. But it's a huge book and might take you the whole summer.

    And no, he doesn't claim the banks are controlled by the Jews.

  100. Here're some great authors by MobiusFalling · · Score: 1

    China Mieville is fantastic. His two books, Perdito Street Station and The Scar, are great if you want some Steampunkesque "Weird Fiction."

    For some refreshingly original fantasty, I would suggest Robin Hobb. Her series starting with Assassin's Apprentice is a must read for fantasty fans, and it will make you wonder why garbage like Robert Jordan's endless Wheel of Time series even gets published.

    1. Re:Here're some great authors by ShaiHulud-23 · · Score: 1

      China has actually written three books, King Rat was his first, a sort of updated Pied Piper story I'm told. I've only read PSS and totally loved it. A friend of mine has read all three and highly recommends all of them. She has yet to steer me wrong. I'll read The Scar next and King Rat whenever I can find a copy somewhere.

    2. Re:Here're some great authors by MobiusFalling · · Score: 1

      King Rat isn't part of the same world/storyline as the other two books and I've heard isn't as good, hence my lack of a recommendation. :) China's new book, Iron Council will continue the same storyline as PSS and The Scar and should be out soon, I hope.

  101. Stone Canal by 100lbHand · · Score: 1

    The Stone Canal by Ken MacLeod is a fun read with a mix of nano tech and mind bending, lots of stuff about intellegent machines and what it means to be real. Interesting descriptions about what it may be like to be an enhanced person with nano assisted abilities.

    --
    "I'm not high, just stupid" --JY
    1. Re:Stone Canal by pixelgeek · · Score: 1
      Its actually part of a last book of a four book, series that really has to be read in order to understand it. Trust me, I read it backwards and once I finally read the first book I finally got most of the connections. :-) The order of the books is
      • The Cassini Division
      • The Star Fraction
      • The Sky Road
      • The Stone Canal
  102. A whole month and only one book!??! by dwSjoquist · · Score: 1

    Try reading through one of those "100 best classics in the universe" sort of lists and picking an older book that sounds good.

    (For the record, I only read a few of the "100 must read" sorts of things myself, but I do read some)

  103. God's Debris by WiKKeSH · · Score: 1

    Great book by Scott Adams (The author of Dilbert).
    Read the reviews first to see if it's for you. ;)

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/074072190 9/ qid=1023823517/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-9309714-07801 07#product-details

  104. Good science books by mao+che+minh · · Score: 1
    I know that science doesn't sound all that exciting, but it can be truly mezmorizing when the right auther is spinning the tale. Here are a few good books that will help elevate the mind by dispelling alot of silly notions.

    First is "The Borderlands of Science" by Micheal Shermer, who is the editor of skeptic magazine. That book goes over some of the biggest psuedo-scientific claims in a witty way. Shermer is an excellent writer.

    And if you haven't read this yet, "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. That is perhaps the best written critque of superstition ever.

    And last "Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones. It is a recap and modernization of Darwin and Wallace's work. Very good British writer.

  105. Eco by scrotch · · Score: 1

    I recommend Umberto Eco's "The Island of the Day Before." It's (sort of) a hacker book set in the 15th century and written better than any SF I've ever read. Or read about some philosphers if you're up to it. Try to remember that there are reasons to obsess about hacking and computers that's outside of SF.

    1. Re:Eco by redgren · · Score: 1

      Eco's books are amazing. Also check out Focualt's Pendulum, and his best known The Name of the Rose.

      It is very rare to find a challenging read that gives such a reward as his books do.

  106. Better yet. . . by Moekandu · · Score: 1

    read some VOGON poetry!

    It's probably better than the Poetry Slam down at the coffee house. . .

    Moekandu

    Pay attention next time, cause the sig here was really funny.

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    Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes genius. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  107. Things that I like after 40 years of reading SciFi by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dune if you haven't already - the best.
    City by Clifford Simak - classic.
    Shockwave Rider - the first real computer/scifi cyberpunkish book. The term 'worm' comes from this book.
    Naked Sun - Asimov - genesis of R. Daneel Olivaw, the character that Commander Data was based on.
    Nine Princes in Amber - after Lord of the Rings my favorite fantasy book.
    Left Hand of Darkness - IMHO the 2nd best scifi novel ever written after only Dune.
    Ringworld by Larry Niven - extrodinary world building and imagination in hard scifi genre.
    Gateway by Frederick Pohl - ditto.
    Startide Rising, David Brin - wonderful novel set in world where man is lifting other species to intelligence. Terrific writing, and the sequels are excellent too.

  108. other genres are good too by ashkar · · Score: 1

    I am a huge fan of Gibson and Stephenson, but occassionally I like to reach out and read something different. Classics are especially nice because they provide such a glaring contrast from the usual sci-fi and fantasy that I read.

    Good classics include:

    -The Three Muskateers
    -The Count of Monte Cristo
    -Les Miserables
    -Anything by Ayn Rand
    -The Republic by Plato
    -The Iliad and the Odyssey

    All of these and many more are an excellent read.

    I'm not sure if you care for fantasy, but, if you do, try these authors:

    -Ursula K Le Guin
    -Robert Jordan
    -David Eddings (esp. the Belgariad and the Mallorean)
    -Terry Pratchet
    -Terry Brooks
    -Joel Rosenburg

    If you wish to continue in the sci-fi realm, try to expand to some more traditional authors such as:

    -Isaac Asimov (sci-fi's Lord Almighty)
    -Larry Niven
    -Arthur C Clarke (Rama series and the Gripping Hand books are my favorites)
    -Vernor Vinge (wrote A Fire Upon the Deep which is excellent)
    -Neil Gaiman (a newer but still excellent writer)
    -H G Wells

    I hate to turn one away from great writers such as Gibson and his ilk, but mixing it up keeps you from burning out.

    Good reading.

    1. Re:other genres are good too by jonastullus · · Score: 1

      you must be joking about david eddings...

      that guy has written like 1000 books and though the general setting is quite nice and reading single books lets you hope for more - there never is!!!

      it's like "the lord of the rings" stretched to 100 books with no suspense at all and unimaginably less creative.

      i couldn't recommend eddings if it were the last fantasy books on earth

  109. That reminds me: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The movie *sucked*

  110. The "Mars" trilogy by moranar · · Score: 1

    If you enjoy realist sci-fi, you might want to try this incredible trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson.
    I'm through half of the second book, "Green Mars", and they are an excellent read.
    The story tells the colonization and terraforming of the red planet, the social interactions between the pioneers, the wars in a devastated Earth (year 2050) and a lot more, I think (As I said, I still haven't finished it).
    Other things I enjoyed a lot lately are Tolkien's works; the Dune saga; and the Discworld books. I highly suggest you get a copy of Pratchett's "The Fifth Elephant" for a great phantasy-mistery-humor book.

    --
    "I think it would be a good idea!"
    Gandhi, about Internet Security
    1. Re:The "Mars" trilogy by edmo · · Score: 1

      The Mars books are among the best literature out there, thow anything by Kim Stanley Robinson is good. If you don't think a month is enough time for the 3000+ page series(counting "The Martians") I would recommend either "Antarctica" or "The Years of Rice and Salt", both by Robinson. "Antarctica" is very much like the mars series but only one book, possibly coexisting in the same universe, and "The Years of Rice and Salt" follows several souls threw their reincarnations in an alternate history from the times of the black plague to now.

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      Don't save your orgasms for Heaven; Heaven knows we need them here.
  111. Books I read until I had a splitting headache... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    include Gerrold's Chtorr series.
    This is a cool site. Clicking on the 'Books' hotspot, amusingly, says that volume 5 will be out in 2002.
    This site, however, contradicts the first link.
    Gerrold's non-command of calendars has no negative effect on his writing.
    The first four books are full-on page-turners. We're given something of an anti-hero in a situation that continues to worsen throughout the series, depicting an ecological invasion of earth in some truly graphic imagery.
    Rumors to the effect that the Chtorr are merely a WMD project from Iraq that got a little out of hand are categorically denied by Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, as you may not find surprising.

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    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  112. Good hacker mystery by jwjcmw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you like mystery/suspense mixed in with your hacker lit, then check out The Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll. It's the true story of a Unix (copyright Novell) administrator who is able to track and help capture someone hacking into his systems at the Lawrence Berkeley labs in the late 80's. A very good read.

  113. sci/fi by bloosqr · · Score: 1

    I'm a bit fan of most of stephenson's stuff and a good slew of the gibson/sterling material as well. If you haven't had a chance yet I would definitely check out any thing by philip K dick. Vintage books has been releasing a slew of his stuff every few months. Most people will point you to man in the high castle, but i'd recommend "the simulacra" as the first book, it has a very surreal and very enjoyable.

    If you like your sci fi hard, technical and crazy, brilliant: greg egan is definitely another good choice. His short story book "axiomatic." Each of the short stories would make a brilliant movie/novel in their own right and will let you get a flavor of his writing/ideas. (he's definitely an "idea" person)

    I'd also recommend Matt Ruff's sewer gas electric. Fool on the hill is set in a miserable place called ithaca, ny.. think of it as an absurd, violent fairy tale set on a college campus. Sewer, Gas Electric a mixture btwn ayn rand parodies (literally) and sci/fi fairy tales.

    Incidentally, the Gardner's sci fi anthologies are a good place to find new authors. (year's best sci fi).

    Lastly check out Italo Calvino (invisible cities, cosmic comics), steve erickson (rubicon beach, arc d'x) JG Ballard (crash)

    hope it helps!
    -me

  114. Re:Harry Potter ... Order of the Phoenix by gladbach · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who thinks hermione is a raging hottie?

    errrr... nm

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  115. My list by May+Kasahara · · Score: 1
    Microserfs by Douglas Coupland is a good summer book, and quite geeky; it follows the adventures of a bunch of Microsoft employees, circa 1992, as they leave the company to form a small startup. It's funny, heartwarming, and chock-full of pop culture references :)

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami; some of his other books have been reviewed on Slashdot before. Not quite geeky, not quite sci-fi (technically, it's magical realism), but still pretty mind-bending stuff. It's about a guy who loses his cat, then his wife, and all the people and events that happen to him inbetween.

    If graphic novels are kosher, then how about High Society by Dave Sim? This is the second Cerebus graphic novel, and arguably one of the best; it centers on Cerebus' run for Prime Minister. In a similar vein, I'd recommend the Bone series by Jeff Smith.

  116. read free obscure unmade movie scripts by Miguel+de+Icaza · · Score: 1

    ok its old but i only read this the other day, it is in IMO the greatest unmade SCI-FI script ever.

    Alien III (Screenplay by John Fasano)

    set on an orbiting artifical planet/monestary contructed almost entirely from wood with no technology. basicaly the xenomorphs are mistaken for devils and the Monks want to burn ripley.

    there are thousands of scripts floating around google's cache, and they are often more informative than watching the directors cut/VO, or bonus scenes on DVDs. I find reading scripts more efficient than reading a novel - novels are often just scripts with lots of added page-filling inner-monologue fluff.

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  117. Screw Mitnick and his Book by RedLeg · · Score: 1
    Pass on this one.... Mitnick doesn't know crap that's relevant, except possibly something about social engineering (a timeless trade, the con man), and being a prison bitch (one thing he probably IS up to date on).

    I personally don't want to acquire either skillset, not sure about you.

    Additionally, based on hearing him speak, I doubt he can write intelligibly. Stick with a proven author.


    Besides, if you buy his book, that means he soc'd YOU.

  118. A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin by jrothlis · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Without a doubt the best fantasy series I've read is "A Song of Ice and Fire" by George R. R. Martin. It is ongoing, and hopefully won't suffer the same fate as "The Wheel of Time" -- going on and on and on... These books are rich, interesting, exciting, warm and the thing I like the most about them: it is very difficult to say with certainty who is "good" and who is "bad" because the story is told from many different point of views. Well worth reading.

  119. The Secret History, Donna Tartt by rockmuelle · · Score: 1

    Ok, so this isn't quite a geek novel, but rather more a literary mystery. However, it's easily the best book I've read in a long time - and I just finished Pattern Recongnition and Cryptonomicon.

    The story takes place against the backdrop of a liberal arts college in New England and follows a group of ultra intelligent greek students as they experiment with ideas from ancient Greece and end up murdering a local in an attempt to recreate an old ceremony.

    The characters are explored in depth and are very much like many 'geeks' I have known, with the study of Greek substituted for science.

    Donna Tartt has a great command of english and an incredible talent creating metaphors. Many times, I found myself rereading passages just to fully appreciate them.

    I rarely venture away from the traditional geek fare, but this one was well worth the time.

    As for the other books mentioned, Pattern Rec. was a shadow of Neuromancer, only worth reading in a quick sitting. Crypto was Tom Clancy-esq with cryptology and monetary theory standing in for submarines and airplanes (though there are some of those, too). A good read.

    Enjoy.

    -Chris

  120. Steve Aylett anyone? by DevNova · · Score: 1

    How about Steve Aylett for some really funked up prose?

  121. If your new job is in a cubical.. by mememe · · Score: 1

    Spandau by Albert Speer will help you with dealing with life in a box.

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    1. Re:If your new job is in a cubical.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Edward Hall's _The Hidden Dimension_.

      ac

  122. The Handmaids Tail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the best books I have ever read, and paticuraly appropriat right now.

  123. Birds of a feather... by dFaust · · Score: 1

    Vurt by Jeff Noon

    It's dubbed cyberpunk, though I tend to disagree. No fancy computers here. What you do get is a dark, wicked, futuristic tale of fantastic feathers that are used to enter dream-like worlds. Everyone I've suggested it to has loved it, and the folks on B&N rate it highly as well. Give it a shot.

    I'd also recommend Deus Machine (only $2.99!?!). A furious mix of biomutation, an evil pr3v3rt, and a supercomputer which is continually redesigning itself to be increasingly powerful. It's hacker/geek and so much more.

    And if you dig 1,000 page per book trilogies, I made it through the first book of the Otherland series. Some crazy computer fiction, and, again, so much more. Great stuff. Unfortunately, when I finished the first book, the second hadn't been released and I haven't got around to finishing the trilogy.

    Enjoy!

  124. Verner Vinge by dspeyer · · Score: 1
    If you're looking to pick up the classics of hacker fiction, you've got to include Vinge. I'd recommend either True Names and Other Dangers (short stories) or A Fire Upon the Deeps.

    True Names is an especially important story for hackerdom. IIRC, it's the first to explore virtual-reality networking and it does a better job of it than Nueromancer or Snow Crash. Incidentally, it's available on-line, though I'm not sure about the legality of it.

  125. Novels? by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 1

    Actually haven't read much in the form of novels recently.
    But that doesn't mean I haven't read anything.

    Some books on my wall:
    Berserk, the manga series (I don't think this has been translated yet.)
    Blade of the Immortal (a manga series available translated)
    Computers & Thought (So its a text book, so what, it was interesting.)
    Dragon Half (another manga series)
    Gunnm Last Order (yet another manga series)
    The Temple of the Golden Pavillion, By Yukio Mishima.
    The Tao te Ching
    The Analects, by Confucius

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  126. Dragonriders of Pern triology by realdpk · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed the Dragonriders of Pern trilogy - it's fantasy with some scifi. There's more scifi aspects in the prequel and some of the later books. The trilogy was better than the later books, IMO, but they're good too.

  127. More books to read by divide+overflow · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here's some books I really enjoyed reading one summer:
    • Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
    • Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
    • Propaganda by Jacques Ellul
    • Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
    And here is a book I'm working on now...I'm still about 1,100 pages from knowing if it will deliver the goods:
    • A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram
    1. Re:More books to read by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

      I have to agree very much with your selection, at least the ones I've read so far. Might I recommend Brave New World Revisited as well as Island if you like Huxley, personally he's my favorite.

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    2. Re:More books to read by TopShelf · · Score: 1
      I'm about halfway through New Kind of Science, and to be honest, it's pretty disappointing. Kinda like waiting through the last hour of that Skinamax movie waiting for the cute chick to take her top off - you know the payoff ain't gonna be worth it, but you slog along anyways...

      On the other hand, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just about the wildest thing I've ever read. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trial '72 is hilarious as well. Just picture Hunter and Nixon side by side at the urinal...

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    3. Re:More books to read by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      I'm about halfway through New Kind of Science, and to be honest, it's pretty disappointing. Kinda like waiting through the last hour of that Skinamax movie waiting for the cute chick to take her top off - you know the payoff ain't gonna be worth it, but you slog along anyways...

      Thanks for the head's up. With a book this big I'm looking at a major investment of my time...and I hate when my large investments don't pay off. :)

      On the other hand, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just about the wildest thing I've ever read. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trial '72 is hilarious as well. Just picture Hunter and Nixon side by side at the urinal...

      I'm in complete agreement with you. The only reason I didn't mention Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 (one of the best works on the '72 Presidential campaign) is that I didn't want to load the post down with too many books. HST's book Hell's Angels is also a worthwhile read.

    4. Re:More books to read by tree_frog · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I have to agree with all of these, although I don't think that Fear and Loathing is one of HST's best works. I much prefer Generation of Swine and The Great Shark Hunt, which are both collections of short essays.

      A couple of books I'd recommend:

      • The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgarkov
      • Kim by Rudyard Kipling
      • Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
      regards, treefrog
    5. Re:More books to read by weakestlink · · Score: 1
      Definitely! And also:
      • Last Exit to Brooklyn by Hubert Selby jr.
      • 1984 by George Orwell (timeless)
    6. Re:More books to read by weakestlink · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought it was very disappointing, even more so if you consider it took 10 years in the making.

      I also did hate the Mitkin's book as well. I was left with the impression that it is pretentious, though if you squeeze it, nothing worth will come out...

    7. Re:More books to read by Kalani · · Score: 1

      What exactly do you find disappointing about it? I'm surprised that it wouldn't at least make you seek out other efforts at discrete models of physics. Do you already know everything about Ed Fredkin? Do you already know about Feynman's agreement with the importance of discrete models? Did you already know about the nature of mathematical exploration (its kind of generic multiway system framework -- a computational framework in its own right)? Perhaps I'm just stupid, but I thought that the book was very very interesting. I even bought his earlier book on cellular automata to read more.

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  128. Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by RembrandtX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read alot.
    I rank the books I read on a 1-10 scale.
    Not everyone agrees with me :P

    http://www.remsbox.com/showBooks.php

    might give you some ideas if nothing else. :)

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    1. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, you read "alot", but you still haven't clued into the fact that "a lot" is two words...

    2. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by Yosho · · Score: 1

      I'm curious about one of the ratings on your site. I browsed over it, and in general I agree with most of your ratings, but one that really boggles me is the 9 you gave Melanie Rawn's "Dragon Prince." Could you tell me what you thought of it? It felt to me like an unimaginative romance novel that passed itself off as fantasy, with completely predictable characters. It's one of the few books that bored me too much to finish, in fact; I only made it about 3/4 of the way through.

      I suppose it's possible I missed a really incredible ending, but could you say what you thought?

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    3. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably want to put this on your reading list too. It changed my outlook on life... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0964 425890/qid=1054180595/

    4. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by roju · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Out of curiousity, is that a homebrew script, or what?
      I'm looking to index my collection and what I've read..

    5. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      Not sure really, something about that book made me really get into the characters. And I remembered it as being very good.

      as anything I read before Feb 2002 was going off of memory .. It had been some time :P

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    6. Re:Sci-Fi Fantasy books on a 1-10 scale by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      yeah .. just some php knocked together. I originally wrote it just to keep track of which books I had read out of the piles around the house, and it turned into one of those 'Well .. while i'm at it' projects.

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  129. Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy by Seek_1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    .. by Douglas Adams. It's a classic and I finally got around to reading it.. plus the other four parts! ;)

    And I have to say, it was the most fun I've had reading a book in a LOOONNNGGG time! It's a fairly quick read, but it's completely enjoyable. I highly recommend picking it up if you haven't already read it.

  130. So many, so little time... by TitaniumFox · · Score: 1

    Personally, I really enjoyed Cryptonomicon. One need not be a math major to enjoy it, either.

    Additionally, Hawking's Universe in a Nutshell is calling my name.


    (you know you've read them...)

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  131. Before anything else by grasshoppah · · Score: 1

    Read Cryptonomicon! Its is far superior to Snow Crach(by the same author) and is deeply entrancing, despite its thousand some odd pages. I read this last summer and it will consume you for at least a few weeks. Also, you may want to try American Gods by Neil Gainman. I'm not sure I understand 50% of the meaning in this book, but it is wonderful none-the-less.

  132. My final recommendations today: Intelligence! by Nutrimentia · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid . Good stuff. A thinking book.

    The other is George Dyson's Darwin Among the Machines: The Evolution of Global Intelligence. Incredible history of communication and computing with a pretty cool argument abuot the possible future of computer intelligence. He doesn't follow the well-worn tracks of those who basically posit a Short-Circuit-esque Johnny5 for the future of computers, instead exploring the actual nature of intelligence and how it may emerge uniquely among computer networks. A presentation of the thesis is available at Edge.org.

    You won't go wrong with these books.

  133. Re:Perspective by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1
    rhombic (140326) writes:
    If you want a good perspective bender, check out Wicked: The life and times of the Wicked Witch of the West...
    Another excellent perspective bender is a retelling of Snow White from the Queen's point of view. You can find it in the Neil Gaiman short story collection "Smoke and Mirrors".
    If you're looking for some science fiction that can really make you think, then I can't recommend Greg Egan strongly enough.
  134. Stay young with reading! by Erich · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy (by JRR Tolkien) and the Narnia books (by CS Lewis) every year. Otherwise you'll grow older. Keeping the magic of your youth alive in you is essential for having an interesting, flavorful life.

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    -- Erich

    Slashdot reader since 1997

    1. Re:Stay young with reading! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy balls, that's a low subscriber number...
      This Off-topic post serves to fatten the thread.

  135. Cyberiad by Phronesis · · Score: 1
    For a good time, try some Stanislaw Lem. Solaris is big because of the movie, but all hackers should really read the Cyberiad. Memoirs Found in a Bathtub is also first rate.

    Philip K. Dick is also well worthwhile if you haven't tried him. I like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and A Scanner Darkly

    When you're done with Dick's mindfucks on consciousness and identity, try some other things than SF. I would particularly recommend Orhan Pamuk's My Name Is Red---a postmodernist mystery set in 16th century Istanbul (as the title suggests, one chapter is narrated by a particular shade of red)---and The White Castle (it's not about tiny hamburgers), or Nabokov's Pale Fire.

    There are also some fantastic novels about doing science in the real world, as opposed to the more fantastical stuff that gets called SF. The best of the crop is Carl Djerassi's Cantor's Dilemma, which is perhaps the best novel of science ever.

    Back to the predictable, if you really want things only about sf-geek-hackerdom, pick up Vernor Vinge's "True Names" and John Brunners' Shockwave Rider, which was perhaps the first cyberpunk book of all.

  136. Out of the Inner Circle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By Bill Landreth.

    It is a winner..

  137. Eric Nylund.... by HeywoodJablomi69 · · Score: 1

    Signal to Noise and A Signal Shattered are two of my favorites; cyberpunk, but with an alien twist, and....they're awesome, trust me.

  138. The Deed of Paksenarrion by IsoRashi · · Score: 1

    Okay, it's not sci-fi, but it's probably *the* best book/trilogy I have ever read. To give you an idea of the story:

    A sheepfarmer's daughter runs away from home (to avoid being forced to marry the local pig-herder) and joins a mercenary outfit. She goes through training, fights some battles, all good. Towards the end of the first book, it becomes apparent that a saint is watching over her, and eventually she follows her destiny down the path to becoming a paladin. If you like fantasy I don't think you'll regret for a second picking this book up. (Deed of Paksenarrion is the 3-in-1 book, the first book is called Sheepfarmer's Daughter)

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  139. Reality Dysfunction by Peter F Hamilton by dOxxx · · Score: 1

    ... and it's 2 sequels, The Neutronium Alchemist and The Naked God. Absolutely brilliant scifi with a good dose of cyberpunk and horror.

  140. True Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An absolute must-read. THE closest book to the hacker perspective, in my view. Staggeringly original.

  141. Mandatory reading - Illuminatus, Schrodinger's Cat by wildchild07770 · · Score: 1

    Robert Anton Wilson is one of if not THE greatest sci-fi/fantasy writers of the last 50 years. These two books are amazingly complex and could easily take up the month of time this guy has to kill if he spent it figuring out all of the intricate connections and metaphors present in these books. They're funny, intelligent and just DAMN GOOD.

  142. My Suggestion by jchawk · · Score: 1

    I know this title is a little dated but it is a really good read. You'll know you're into it if you make it through the whole book in a day or two.

    The Dueling Machine - by Ben Bova

    You can find a used copy on amazon for like $1.50 or $2.00

    Rather then fighting, men enter this dualing machine to work out their differences. It's like you enter into a cyber world. You have to physically kill the other person within this cyber environment in order to settle the dispute, and then you exit back to reality, and both men are fine / safe, and the dispute is resolved.

    It's a pretty neat book. It even inspired a game.

    Click for game

    And you can buy your own copy of the book on amazon for like $1.73.

    Click for book

  143. To which 90% of the /. community replies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sex is nataural and healthy, and masturbation is no different.

    Huh? What other kind of sex is there, other than masterbation?

  144. Uplift saga by El · · Score: 2, Informative

    All 6 books: Sundiver, Startide Rising, The Uplift War, Brightness Reef, Infinity's Shore, and Heaven's reach. David Brin's best work; entertaining and thought provoking at the same time.

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    1. Re:Uplift saga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _Earth_ by Brin. 50 years into the future - interesting take on the net, micro black holes, gaianism, swiss bankers, et al.

      ac

    2. Re:Uplift saga by masada555 · · Score: 1

      I haven't read the uplift saga, but I just read KILN PEOPLE which is Brin's most recent...it's out in paperback. Massively good, long read. It's about a world where people can imprint their personalities into clay bodies which last for a day, then upload the memories from their experience. The protagonist is a private eye. Great sci-fi mystery combo.

  145. 1984 by adrew · · Score: 1

    Ever read 1984? I hadn't until a few months ago. Try it...it's great. All the stuff about changing history and the wars really hit home, especially with everything going on now.

  146. Read something nonobvious. by Trespass · · Score: 1

    Everybody knows that 90% of the people here will read the new Harry Potter book, and that's great.

    Think about trying something different, though. Try broadening instead deepening you knowledge for a change. Did you find the mindfuck aspect of the Matrix films intriguing? Try John Fowles 'The Magus' or Thomas Pynchon's 'The Crying of Lot 49'. If you something ultra chewy you might try Baudrillard's 'Simulacra and Simulation'.

    C'mon ladies and gents, there's more out there worth reading than your favorite genres.

    1. Re:Read something nonobvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh ... go all the way for Gravity's Rainbow ... a great book.

    2. Re:Read something nonobvious. by Trespass · · Score: 1

      A lot of people might like to start out small. Besides, if they read 'Lot 49' it may dissuade them from thinking the Illuminatus Trilogy is more original than it is.

    3. Re:Read something nonobvious. by cbrew · · Score: 1

      How about Jorge Luis Borges? His short stories each have more ideas in than most novels. Or (probably the better idea) find someone who is maximally unlike you, and ask them for a recommendation.

  147. Umberto Eco by dlasley · · Score: 1

    Check out Foucault's Pendulum, which has to be one of the most non-tech story lines revolving around technology and science I've ever run across. It's a challenge, but a worthy one, and an incredible read.

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    1. Re:Umberto Eco by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Good to see Eco mentioned.
      While I liked FP, I think that the already over-mentioned Illuminatus Trilogy edges it out, by refusing to take itself seriously.

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    2. Re:Umberto Eco by PCM2 · · Score: 1
      While I liked FP, I think that the already over-mentioned Illuminatus Trilogy edges it out, by refusing to take itself seriously.
      I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of humor that goes into Eco's writing. You just have to be prepared for how dry his wit is. I wouldn't call Foucault's Pendulum a book that "takes itself too seriously," though, by any means. Read his latest, Baudolino, if you think he's never poking fun.
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  148. "Visions" by Michio Kaku by jessicat · · Score: 1

    I'm taking a Futuristics class this summer and this is one of my more interesting books. In it, Michio Kaku predicts certain technological advances in the 21st century. It deals with quantum mechanics, biogenetics, and artificial intelligence.

  149. sagan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark"

    It changed the way I think about the world.

    1. Re:sagan by dclatfel · · Score: 1

      How about Carl Sagan's Contact? While the movie is good, the book is awesome ! It inspired me to sit down and actually code a calculation of pi.

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  150. I would also recommend... by TexVex · · Score: 1

    Tim Powers novels Last Call, Expiration Date, and Earthquake Weather. These simply rock. They are set in the modern era, except ghosts and various forms of magic are the reality. It is a fresh take on mysticism of all sorts and definitely worth reading twice.

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  151. You won't feel special.. by asdfasdfasdfasdf · · Score: 2, Informative

    But the NY Times current #1 best seller, The Da Vinci Code is a gripping read. I started and couldn't put it down until I finished the book less than 18 hours later. (I do read faster than that-- One has to sleep, take care of family, etc..)

    Not only is the plot fast and compelling, but the pseudo-history secret society stuff is fascinating. You'll never look at Da Vinci's 'The Last Supper' the same way again, guaranteed!

    Sure, you may be reading the same book as the guy next to you on the train-- but it's popular for a reason!

  152. A Confederacy of Dunces by kramer2718 · · Score: 1

    by John Kennedy Toole It's not geek chic, but it is an excellent book, and geeks should relate to it pretty well.

    It's the story of Ignatius J. Reilly, probably the most interesting character in all literature. It's sad at times, but it's amazingly funny. I'll refrain from giving away more of the book than I already have.

    John Kennedy Toole did not live to see the book published in his lifetime. Rather, he was so misunderstood and despondent, that he killed himself while this masterpiece was still a stack of papers in his room. After his death his mother discovered them and had them published.

  153. The Blue Nowhere by JeffM2001 · · Score: 1

    I really loved Jeffrey Deaver's book the blue nowhere. It is about hacking and aproaches it from many different angles. There are many references throughout the book which only true geeks would understand aka MUDs, RPGs, etc. It's a pretty fast read so I highly reccomend it.

    1. Re:The Blue Nowhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree - this book was great!

  154. A few from my list...not in any particular order by Robber+Baron · · Score: 1
    The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich - William Shirer ...needs no introduction.

    The Grand Chessboard - Zbigniew Brzezinski ...dry as hell, but it sure clears up why things are happening the way they are today.

    Powderburns - Celerino Castillo (if you can find a copy that is)...Remember Iran/Contra? This is the part 60 Minutes didn't tell you about!

    Dark Alliance - Gary Webb ...see above.


    That oughta keep you out of trouble for a while! (Though after reading these, you'll probably want to quit your job and move to Alaska and build a bunker or something...)

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    You're using her as bait, Master!

  155. Ripoff? No way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    --Wow. Have you even read the 6 books that are currently out for the Sword of Truth series? They have a completely different character than the wheel of time series. The books are certainly not 100% original by any means... but I just don't see where you can make the claim that Goodkind 'rips off' Jordan. Perhaps a basic good vs. evil premise... but that isn't something that Jordan came up with.

    I actually really enjoyed the first 6 or so books of the wheel of time, and I still read the series. However, comparing the two (Goodkind/Jordan), one is getting better while the other gets worse (IMO). Goodkinds 6th book, Faith of the Fallen, is one of the best fantasy novels I've read in a long time. Jordan's 7th/8th/9th books were somewhat tedious and drawn out.

    I agree with your recommendation though... read both series. They are good!

    -Tiak

    1. Re:Ripoff? No way. by Jouster · · Score: 1

      Faith of the Fallen was great. Pillars of Creation sucked.

      That said, I'm eagerly awaiting the next in the series....

      Jouster

  156. Quicksilver by hastings14 · · Score: 1
    Actually, he should have Cryptonomicon finished by mid-summer, and then he can start on Quicksilver right when it comes out...

    I have already set aside a chunk of my time later this summer for it, as we all should.

  157. Game of Thrones by Garion911 · · Score: 1

    For the fantasy fans:

    Game of Thrones series by George R R Martin..

    I'm a big fan of the Wheel of Time, but GoT blows it away.....

    Oh yeah, can't forget my handle-sake, The Belgariad by David Eddings...

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  158. fight club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fight Club is an awesome book. Also any books by Arthur Clarke.

  159. Good summer read? by psykocrime · · Score: 1

    A few suggestions... some fiction, some non-fiction, some that could maybe go
    either way... :-)

    Cryptonomicon, by Neal Stephenson.

    I'm in the middle of this right now, and it
    is looking pretty good so far!

    The Code Breakers, by David Kahn.

    Cool, talks about the history of cryptography
    and secret communications and stuff....

    Soul Of A New Machine, by Tracy Kidder

    Computer history stuff, deals with the history of a company called Data General and how the engineers there thrashed like hell to release a new computer architecture in a year.

    The Emperor's New Mind, by Roger Penrose & Martin Gardner

    Roger Penrose "attacking the foundations of strong
    Artificial Intelligence." Very cool read.

    Metamagical Themas: Questing for the Essense of Mind and Pattern, by Douglas Hofstadter

    Douglas Hofstader rambling on about all sorts of
    weird stuff... Worth reading just for his treatment of the idea of "self-reference."

    Big Blues: The Unmaking of IBM, by Paul Carroll

    Very cool history of IBM, deals largely with the
    time-frame when OS/2 was still a big part of IBM's world... I think this was written before Lou Gerstner's era began, so it's definitely dealing with the "old" IBM...

    The Mysterious Island, by Jules Verne

    A classic, and for good reason. Long, very
    worth-while... I've probably read this book 15+ times, and if I hadn't lost my copy I'd read it again soon.

    Secrets and Lies by Bruce Schneier

    Calling this a book on Computer Security really doesn't do it justice. Definitely worth a read if you have any interest in security.

    A few other possibilities:

    "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks

    "Decline and Fall of the American Programmer" by Ed Yourdon

    "Rise and Resurrection of the American Programmer" by Ed Yourdon

    "Object-Oriented Software Construction" by Bertrand Meyer

    "Death March" by Ed Yourdon

    Anything by Dean Koontz, Stephen King, John Saul, Clive Barker, or H.P. Lovecraft.

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    1. Re:Good summer read? by psykocrime · · Score: 1

      Aaaah, how'd I forget the "Wrinkle in Time" books by Madeleine L'Engle.

      Another good choice would be
      Engines of the Mind: The Evolution of the Computer from Mainframe to Microprocessor

      Also, if you've got some free time on your hands, you might try reading something completely "out of nature" for yourself.. broaden your mind, if you will... like, if you're atheist, read the King James Bible... if you're a devout christian, read the Satanic Bible... If you hate Microsoft, read "Code Complete" by Steve McConnell (and published by Microsoft Press). Listen to Nu-metal and hate 80's metal? Read The Dirt: Confessions of the World's Most Notorious Rock Band, the Motley Crue auto-biography. Something completely out of character might be fun, for a change of pace.

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    2. Re:Good summer read? by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Excellent point about L'Engle's books.

      Another juvenile fantasy series which hasn't been mentioned here yet AFAICT is Susan Cooper's _The Dark is Rising_ pentalogy which is a wonderful re-working of the Arthurian mythos. Hmm, kind of interesting that no one mentioned anything Arthurian AFAICT---so if you've not read it, be sure to try John Steinbeck's (sadly incomplete) re-telling of Malory's _The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights_.

      William

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  160. A few of my favorite things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Heres my list with a couple comments:

    A moon is a harsh mistress (heinlen) Viva la Revolution

    Walden (thoreau) Not geek but gives a different world view

    Dhamapadra- Buddhist book easy to get in to

    Something wicked this way comes (bradbury)

    Alice in Wonderland - read this as a youngin and when you decide to grow up completly different each time

    Enders Game - a good easy thought-provoking read

    Although my main suggestion is to become good friends with your public library. Make it a hobbit to wander in each week. Enjoy

  161. whereis /usr/man/ROMEO? by coupland · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've got it! Are there any books about two young lovers who meet in a chat room, but they are destined never to be together because one is a Mac user and one is Linux user? They try to pursue their love in secret chat rooms using fake handles, but then the LUG/MUG finds out and forbids them to ever speak again! In desperation she pretends to have switched to Windows, and he in his despair formats his HDD and really does install Windows! She comes online, realizes her lover has been seized by the cold, inhuman clutches of Redmond and she formats and installs Windows too! No greater a love story has ever been told.

    Now that's literature, why didn't anyone ever come up with an idea like that!

  162. The Bible, obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How else can you know where we came from, what we're here for, etc. Those questions matter when it comes down to making sinful versus righteous decisions in the coding workplace.

    1. Re:The Bible, obviously by xutopia · · Score: 1

      How about The Demon Haunted World (science as a candle in the dark) by Carl Sagan instead? How else would you face reality instead of living with pacifying fantasies of how special God thinks you are?

    2. Re:The Bible, obviously by edmo · · Score: 2, Troll

      Ahh yes, nothing like a clasic. This is comonly considerd the best fiction of all time ;)
      seriously thow, don't mean to ofend anyone, just kidding around

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    3. Re:The Bible, obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about YHBT, by Ura Fule?

      Ah well, the smart get smarter, the morons get moroner.

  163. A bunch of recomendations from a bookseller by mayns · · Score: 1
    I work in a bookstore in Ontario. Here are some ideas that may or may not be standard geek reads, but are damn good books. I've included amazon links for all of them, even though amazon is the devil from the eyes of indy bookstores like mine.

    The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon - A great novel set in and around the birth of the comics industry. Oh, and it won a Pulitzer.

    Pattern Recognition by William Gibson - Gibson said that once the world got weird enough he'd set a novel in the present. This book is set in the present. Good stuff.

    Life of Pi by Yann Martel - A boy is shipwrecked and trapped in a escape boat with a tiger and some other animals being shipped to a zoo. I know, it sounds odd, but is easily one of the best books i've ever read.

    Diaspora by Greg Egan - Not his newest, but one my favourites from the new master of hard (and I mean HARD) sci-fi. In the 30th century, man is spilt into three races. Most fleshers are gone, but human mind uploaded into robot bodies or massive burried mainframes are heading to the stars and beyond.

    A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving - So, so MUCH better than the movie they made from it: Simon Birch. One of the only books that could make me laugh out loud. Two boys grow up in new england. One of them happens to have stunted growth and a messiah complex.

  164. You read one Lovecraft story you've read 'em all. by glrotate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Same with Poe. Last summer I read the complete works of Poe and two things stuck out. First is his prose. It is absolutely fantastic. People just don't give Poe credit for the quality of his writing. Unfortunately the second thing that sticks out is the redundancy. The guy really only had about 3 themes he worked over and over.

    Lovecraft is much the same. Read Cthulu, be disappointed at the ending, ask "Is this it?" and move on. The rest of his stories are reformulations of the same.

  165. wow, there are lots by Dan724 · · Score: 1

    well, have you checked out any of the Phillip Dick stuff? those were some of the best books I have read but if you just dont feel in the ultra-paranoid mood then I would go with Catch-22, Fahrenheit 451, or for the Terry-Pratchet Diskworld series. That should keep you buisy for a summer.

  166. The man was prolific, to say the least. by Midajo · · Score: 1

    IIRC, Asimov is the only author to appear in every section of the
    Dewey decimal system, despite the fact that he's best known for
    his fiction.

  167. Uncle Tungsten by brianmy · · Score: 1

    "Uncle Tungsten" by Oliver Sacks is a very readable and enjoyable account of the author's early fascination with chemistry. Sacks later became a neurologist and is better known as the author of "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" and "Awakenings", which are also pretty good reads.

  168. American Gods by pixelite · · Score: 1

    I read Neil Gaiman's American Gods recently, and I enjoyed it. It start off a bit slow but interesting, and then goes off into an unexpected tangent. It also has the most satisfying ending i have read in a novel in a while. Good read.

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    1. Re:American Gods by wormbin · · Score: 1

      I'm part of a geek book club. We've read all the classics that have been recommended on this list (Issac Asimov, Frank Herbert, Orson Scott Card, William Gibson, Neil Stephenson, etc) and are now searching for the "new" sci-fi.

      American Gods was one of the most discussed books in our group in the last five years. It is deep, involving, and wonderfully architected.

      The only book that our group liked better was Stories of Your Life, a book of short stories by Ted Chiang that has won a host of awards including the Hugo, the Nebula, and others. Each story is uniquely brilliant.

  169. What I've been reading lately by mdxi · · Score: 1

    First off, I've gotten into Japanese author Murakami Haruki, who seems to get shoved into "cyberpunk" a lot because his books tend towards the unclassifiable and because half of them contain definite speculative themes. If he's scifi at all, it's soft scifi, for the focus is always on the characters and telling the stories through them. So far I've read "Hard Boiled Wonderland And The End Of The World" (which gets compared to PKD a lot) and "Sputnik Sweetheart", a purely character driven tale that will resonate with anyone who has ever had an unrequited "just a friend" relationship.

    I've also started reading the His Dark Materials trilogy by Philip Pullman (first book: "The Golden Compass"). Comparisons to Potter are inevitable but completely misguided; Potter is good entertainment, "Materials" is a modern classic. It's dark, deep, and wild. It feels like LOTR did the first time I read it. I like it so much I'm not going to say anything concrete about it, lest the smallest detail be spoiled.

    I have begun the "A Series Of Unfortunate Events" series by Lemony Snicket, but I'm personally a bit disappointed. I was expecting something with more Adamsian absurdity *in addition to* the cruelty, but what you actually get is far closer to Dickens, *minus* the 19th century sensibilities, the romances, and the length, *plus* a bone-dry wit. Many of my friends adore the series, though.

    Last, I picked up "The Boilerplate Rhino", one of the collections of David Quammen's essays from Outside magazine. Wonderful little tidbits of science writing that often go off in rather unexpected directions (great bathroom reading).

    You can get all of these through powells.com, which rules because it is a real bookstore in Portland, Oregon; has a huge selection including rare books; and is not Amazon or B&N (and no, I'm not connected with them in any way). HTH.

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    1. Re:What I've been reading lately by h3 · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must be my doppleganger - I never would've expected anyone else to have recently read Murakami and Lemony Snicket.

      My favorite Murakami works were Norwegian Wood and Wind Up Bird Chronicles. Norwegian Wood is a beautiful love story, the likes of which I haven't enjoyed since Garcia-Marquez's Love in the Time of Cholera. Wind Up Bird Chronicles - it just blew my mind. It affect my mood for days afterward.

      I've also been somewhat disappointed to the Lemony Snicket series, they're quite repetitive.

      A couple of works I rarely see mentioned but I would guess the Slashdot crowd would like: Stephenson's Diamond Age and John Barnes Mother of All Storms.

      I like Diamond Age best of Stephenson's works, but Snowcrash and Cryptonomicon seem to get all the hype (they were OK, too).

      Don't be put off by the dumb title - Mother of All Storms isn't quite what you'd expect. Sure, it's about storms, but it's set in a near-future as fully realized as I've read (on par, if not surpassing Snowcrash) and it makes the weather interesting to boot!

      Another recent read is Ken Follet's Pillars of the Earth, quite entertaining as well.

      -h3

  170. Dammit, forgot to preview. by Nutrimentia · · Score: 1

    I second this one. Great intro to Ev Psych as well as a nice little biography of Charles Darwin. This book got me hooked on evolutionary approaches to understanding humanity.

    Another great book that I feel compliments this is Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel. That, and the Durant's Lessons of History . Nice thing about the latter book is that it is only a 100 or so pages of easy readying, but its significant stuff. IF you don't know who the Durant's are, they wrote a few massive histories of civilizaiton (11 volumes, I think) and philosophy. Lessons distills the uh, lessons, they learned in the course of writing the history of the world. Great stuff.

  171. Re:Isaac Asimove^H by Midajo · · Score: 1

    :) == I'm pretty sure that was a joke

  172. weak book, good sections by mayns · · Score: 1

    I just read this book and was very dissapointed with it. For a book that wieghed in a 1000 pages, it left tonnes of hanging plot threads and unanswered questions. There are some very cool parts, some very funny parts, and some great geeky exotica. But on whole it was not a good book.

  173. what about some good "space opera" type ?? by chrispy666 · · Score: 1

    I HIGLY recommend the three tomes of the great "space opera" from Alastair Reynolds :

    - Revelation Space
    - Chasm City
    - Redemption Ark

    Revelation Space was his first book, and damn a good one. It's one of the few books that managed to keep me awake until my eyes hurt, and when I realised it was time to get up, take a shower and head to the office.

    I'm reading Redemption Ark at the moment, and it's really great how some of the questions asked in the first tome are finally being answered.

    If you're up for some dark future fantasy novel with a bit of "believable" technology, this is it.

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    1. Re:what about some good "space opera" type ?? by LauraW · · Score: 1
      I agree -- Alastair Reynolds' books are good. I just read Chasm City and am now going back and re-reading Revelation Space. If they're space opera they're a sort of "thinking person's" space opera, not quite as fluffy as, say, Lois McMaster Bujold's space operas/adventures.

      Laura

  174. Not in the same line but totally amazing book too by xutopia · · Score: 1

    Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan's book Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors.

  175. The Dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A great noirish ghost story with a trick ending. I think BSD press is the publisher.

  176. The Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli.
    It was written in 1505, and has some interesting insights on how to gain and keep power.
    Google it, it's free. Or at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553212788/ qid=1054175326/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-6756848-13519 66.

  177. China Mieville by fijimf · · Score: 1

    His New Crobuzon novels Perdido Street Station and The Scar are about the most original fantasy/steampunk I have ever read. Think Charles Dickens meets Hieronymus Bosch. The plots may seem a bit contrived, but his world building is unmatched.

    1. Re:China Mieville by GrandGranini · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. Perdido Stree Station and The Scar are monstrously good reads. Here's a guy who has more imagination than all the rest of the current fantasy writer set combined.

      Heh, Mervyn Peake meets Clive Barker and Karl Marx with a wicked sense of humor and Stephen King's storytelling skills would be more like it. And where's my Uther Doul action figure?

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  178. Dhalgren... by digitalmeat · · Score: 1

    or any Samuel R. Delany
    some Pynchon? - Gravity's Rainbow
    Haruki Murakami? - The Wind Up Bird Chronicles (or anything, really...)

    .... no one will ever see my post... my goodness there are a lot of books...

    1. Re:Dhalgren... by Mooncaller · · Score: 1

      You underestimate the reputation of Dhalgren. I am curious about anyone who would recomend it, the book that few who start complete, and those that finish do so for bragging rights!

    2. Re:Dhalgren... by booksleuth7 · · Score: 1

      Recommended to my non-science-fiction reading, non-gay friend, he not only finished it but thought it was one of the best he read. Still talked about it years later.

  179. short story collections (was Re:Vinge of course) by WillAdams · · Score: 2, Informative

    Absolutely essential Vinge, and a short story mentioned in ``The Jargon File'' is his ``True Names'' which is a prototypical story of cyberspace. It's available in the short story collection _True Names and Other Dangers_ and is the gem of the lot.

    Another story like to that (which was amazingly prophetic) was the short story ``Catacomb'' which was published in _Dragon Magazine_ a long while back.

    Another excellent short story collection is Hal Clement's _Space Lash_ (originally published as _Small Changes_). ``The Mechanic'' is a fascinating story (though badly described on the back cover text) of genegeneering by ``mechanics'' whose knowledge encompasses that of several PhDs of the previous generation.

    William

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  180. Uplift saga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try David Brin's Sundiver. It was written as a stand-alone, but other books have been written to continue the "uplift saga".

    I'll also add my "me too"s to Stephenson's Cryptonomicon and Singh's The Code Book.

  181. cryptonomicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cryptonomicon.com/

    It's a very large book, but it's got some good characters, interesting crypto, all in all good summer tech fiction.

  182. A few recommendations by warriorpostman · · Score: 2

    I noticed a lot of people put The Code Book by Simon Singh in this thread, which I think is a good recommendation.

    I'd also suggest Chaos: The New Science by James Gleick. Has plenty of good geeky computer stuff and is also accessible to the layman.

    And, I think David Foster Wallace's essay collection, A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again is the epitome of summer reading. The title essay is about his observations on a luxury cruise..and it's not literary bubble gum either. David Foster Wallace is practically a "geek" in his own right. His novel Infinite Jest also has some interesting popular pharmaceutical chemistry and high math content, which should be right up any geek's alley.

  183. The Adolescence of P1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sort of the precursor to modern computer sci-fi, but in some ways more subtle and thought-provoking.

    Also, the old Harlan Ellison stuff, like I have no Mouth but I must Scream is probably worth your time. (I recommend you get Harlan's books from the library, or buy 'em used, just to piss him off).

    Hopefully someone will mod this post up to where you will see it, but I have a redhead waiting for me upstairs so I'm not going to spend any more time on the computer creating an account.

    1. Re:The Adolescence of P1 by parkanoid · · Score: 1

      Hopefully someone will mod this post up to where you will see it, but I have a redhead waiting for me upstairs so I'm not going to spend any more time on the computer creating an account. Yeah, those redhat installs can be tricky if the installer keeps trying to... erm, nevermind.

    2. Re:The Adolescence of P1 by Mooncaller · · Score: 1

      Sorry no mod points. I'm suprised that someone else has read this. I thought that awfull movie version would have insured that it was deligated to obscurity.

  184. Strugatski Brothers by parkanoid · · Score: 1

    I would strongy recommend the works of Arkady and Boris Strugatski. They don't seem to be too popular or well-known in the US, and for shame. While a lot is lost in translation from the Russian, the books still do a marvelous job of exploring human nature in an oftentimes absolutely mindblowing setting. Beetle in an Anthill is one of the finest works of science fiction I have ever read, and the more popular Monday begins on Saturday and Roadside picnic are very enjoyable and thought-provoking. They've also written a few humor pieces that jest about with spacetime and higher mathematics, although they seem to lose a lot of their charm when translated.

  185. A bunch of great authors by kalel666 · · Score: 1

    The Gap Cycle by Stephen R. Donaldson was great. Anything by Ian Rankin, James Lee Burke, or Andrew Vachss, for mysteries. Lucius Shepard writes great sci-fi, definitely not the same old thing. Several others have mentioned Lovecraft, definitely great old school sci-fi/horror. Joe Lansdale is hilarious, Jack Whyte, and George R.R. Martin are all solid.

    Damn, I gotta do some re-reading. Good luck.

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  186. David Brin by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    I still think his "Practice Effect" is based on one of the most original ideas I've ever about.

  187. Some Non-Sci-Fi Picks for the real Thinker by Salis · · Score: 1

    Science Fiction/Fantasy might be great to let your brain relax, but it won't leave you educated beyond the superficial themes most fiction writers insert. There are always exceptions, but once you've read the good ones, it's all down hill from there...

    If you want TRUE stories that are much better than the fiction some fantasy writers dream up, then try some History. Truth is much more interesting than fiction... Here's my picks:

    _Ancient History_

    Gates of Fire (Steven Pressfield)

    About the Persian-Greek war and the Spartan's stand at the Thermopylae gates.

    The Peloponnesian War (Donald Kagan)

    About the title Greek war, with an indepth description of the tactics, the decision making process, the culture war, and analogies to the Cold War and other conflicts

    Caesar's War Commentaries (Julius Caesar)

    Read his exploits written by the man himself. Look around for a good translation, though. If you're interested in literature, get an exact one. If not, there's translations that convert to the first person/etc that make it a much more fluid story. Play Praetorians (PC game) while reading for the best experience.

    Guns, Germs, and Steel (Jared Diamond, I think)

    An anthropological explanation of why the Western World has (so far) dominated the world in culture, prosperity, and technology. Condemns racist rationales and explains the causes by reason of resources available on the different continents and differences in political states

    _American History_

    John Adams (David McCullough)

    Extremely well written biography about our 2nd President

    _Classics_ (classic fiction, I should say)

    Anything by Alexander Dumas is a great read. Count of Monte Cristo, Three Musketeers, Man in the Iron Mask. Quite different from the movies (more sex, hah) and better pick up lines.

    Anything by Oscar Wilde. Very funny plays (in a British way, I guess). 'The Importance of Being Earnest' is his most famous one, I guess. The movie was well done, if you saw it, liked it, and wanted to read the play itself...

    _Contemporary_

    Anything by Kurt Vonnegut. Read Slaughterhouse-Five and I bet you'll get hooked. Mother Night is especially Vonnegut-esque (dark sarcasm) and his short stories are very good.

    Yes, I will say it: Atlas Shrugged and/or The Fountainhead. It will give you that good American "I want to be rich and I won't feel bad when I am" feeling. Jokes aside, Atlas Shrugged is a good story and, excepting a certain 80 page monologue, not _too_ preachy. I mean, Who is John Galt, anyways? ;)

    Ok, I'll stop.

    It's amazing how enjoyable a good book can be when you don't have a teacher telling you to read it.

    Salis

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    1. Re:Some Non-Sci-Fi Picks for the real Thinker by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Agreed! Pressfield's _Gates of Fire_ is an excellent, compelling read.

      As a counterpoint, Eiji Yoshikawa's fictionalized account of the life of Miyamoto Musashi is also quite good, and an interesting insight into the Japanese mindset. Also read _The Book of Five Rings_ and Sun Tzu's _The Art of War_ as well as Machiavelli's _The Prince_ if you've not.

      William

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    2. Re:Some Non-Sci-Fi Picks for the real Thinker by Salis · · Score: 1

      I've read 'The Prince' and I agree it's a great one. I haven't read 'The Art of War' yet, but it's probably more relevant to current conflicts than Clausewitz's...now that asymmetric warfare and precision bombing are two major themes to new military conflicts.

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  188. A Very Good Far-Future Virus/Hacker Tale.. by johndiii · · Score: 2, Informative

    C. S Friedman's This Alien Shore .

    Also, I would second the Daniel Keyes Moran titles cited earlier.

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  189. A Fire Upon The Deep and A Deepness in the Sky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Both are excellent books by Vernor Vinge, and should be on every scifi-fan's bookshelf:

    A Deepness in the Sky deals with three different societies' approach to managing engineers and the creative process, and uses as a plot device a society's code base that has cruft that has been collecting for millenia.

    A Fire Upon The Deep deals with the plight of a group of mere-mortals from a galaxy-spanning civilization against a Transendant (post-Singularity) power, with the plot dwelling heavily on variations of group consciousness and the effects of alien technology on less-advanced species.

    1. Re:A Fire Upon The Deep and A Deepness in the Sky by sleepy-monkey · · Score: 1

      I concur wholeheartedly

  190. Suggested reading. by fuchsiawonder · · Score: 1

    This is way down the list, but maybe someone will see it.

    I recommend Head Crash by Bruce Bethke and Wyrm by Mark Fabi. To my mind, they're not well known, but they're both interesting and humorous.

  191. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by Talennor · · Score: 1

    Before picking up Naked Sun, get Caves of Steel. That's what Asimov started that trilogy with, and it's quite an amazing book (probably the best of the three, too). Earth people dealing with robots, overpopulation, and an upperclass of people called 'spacers.' It's just got more substance than the agrophobic Baley, an earth detective, seeing another planet and some scary open spaces.

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  192. To Reign in Hell by Steven Brust by Viv · · Score: 1

    To Reign in Hell by Steven Brust has to be one of the best books I've read. This is one of the very few books I've ever read that made me say "Woah" after reading it.

    Brief synopsis is that, in the beginning, God (Yaweh) was randomly formed out of chaos. Having will, he created a small bubble of order so that chaos could not reclaim him. Over time, more sentient beings appeared out of chaos and came across this island of stability; these new comers nominally accepted Yaweh as a leader, and through the cooperative efforts of all the island of stability grew.

    However, chaos was forever nibbling at this island, even sending storms raging through it, periodically killing some of the inhabitants.

    Eventually, Yaweh got it into his mind to create a permenant island of stability so that everyone would be protected from distruction for all time; however, many would die in the creation, so he was convinced with great reservation to claim that he is "God" so that he has the authority to compel everyone to help him and risk their lives.

    Satan and others question what right Yaweh has to make this claim and give these orders, and these questions eventually yield revolt.

    In my opinion, this is a MUST READ for anyone at all interested in Christian doctrine -- especially bible-thumpers, it will open their minds if they don't reject it outright. An outstanding book, and one that will remain on my bookshelf for all time.

  193. My own idiosyncratic essentials by senahj · · Score: 3, Informative

    _The_Dispossessed_, Ursula K. LeGuin
    _Stand_on_Zanzibar_, John Brunner
    _Lucifer's_Hammer_, Larry Niven
    _The_Left_Hand_of_Darkness_, Ursula K. LeGuin
    _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance _, Robert Pirsig
    _Gateway_, Fred Pohl
    _The_Forever_War_, Joe Haldeman
    _Slow_River_, Nicola Griffith
    _The_Sheep_Look_Up_, John Brunner
    _Lord_of_Light_, Roger Zelazny
    _The_Doomsday_Book_, Connie Willis
    _The_War_of_the_Worlds_, H.G. Wells
    _Earth_Abides_, George R. Stewart
    _A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz_, Walter Miller
    _Been_Down_So_Long_It_Look_Like_Up_To_Me_, Richard Farina
    _The_Folk_of_the_Air_, Peter S. Beagle
    _Aegypt_, John Crowley
    _The_Day_of_the_Triffids_, John Wyndham
    _Rocannon's_World_, Ursula K. Leguin
    _Planet_of_Exile_, Ursulak K. Leguin
    _Ringworld_, Larry Niven
    _The_Long_Walk_, Slavomir Rawicz
    _We_Die_Alone_, David Howarth

    all that being said, two books tower above all other summer reading :

    _Treasure_Island_, Robert Louis Stevenson
    _Huckleberry_Finn_, Mark Twain

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    Wait a minute. Didn't I say that on the other side of the record? I'd better check ...
  194. The Black Company by GuntherAEPi · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just recently finished Glen Cook's Black Company series. It's amazingly good. Dark Fantasy setting about the Black Company, a merchant band. Can't recommend enough.

    1. Re:The Black Company by GuntherAEPi · · Score: 1

      That should read mercenary band not merchant band. I'm an idiot.

  195. What to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ugh, I went to college to learn how to think for myself. Please tell me what to read Slashdot. Please tell me what to think Slashdot. Please tell me how to live Slashdot. Please!

  196. just 1 book? by antiquark · · Score: 1

    just 1? in a month?

    Godel, Escher, Bach
    the man who mistook his wife for a hat
    it's not about the bike
    on writing well
    how proust will change your life
    walden
    zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
    Lila: an inquiry into morals
    The Cannibal Queen : an aerial odyssey across America
    the minds eye
    how to win friends and influence people

    off the top of my head :)

    Mitnick's book is on my list of worst books ever. it's %99 filler, %1 content. I was determined and made it quarter of the way through, the person I borrowed it from (and bought it for) didn't finish the first chapter. As one amazon review said: "very repetitive, very repetitive"

  197. Good Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    try neal stephenson's: cryptonomicon
    good read, great plot, and the tech stuff isnt too shabby either.

    bonus treat: perl source for the cryptographic alogrithm described [and used in the story] called solitaire [the algo, courtesy of bruce schneier of counterpane and "practical cryptography" book] presented at the back of the book...

  198. My summer reading list... by diabolus_in_america · · Score: 1

    Although I try to get outside of the sci-fi/fantasy genre, I find that I often don't make it very far. This summer will probably be no exception, because there are two very good fantasy books on the horizon.

    Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth saga continues in Naked Empire . If you are not familiar with series, pick up Wizard's First Rule . Give it a few pages because it starts kind of slow, but it's definitely worth it.

    The book I am most eagerly awaiting is A Feast For Crows , which is the fourth book in George R.R. Martin's spectacularly dismal A Song of Fire and Ice series. The series is a fantastic read, without the maudlin smoltz and pedantic melodrama often associated with epic fantasy. People die. Life is harsh. And the characters act, speak and behave with gritty realism. Pick up the first book, A Game of Thrones , and you'll see for yourself.

    Outside of the strict confines of sci-fi and fantasy, Anne Rice has another book out in the Vampire Chronicles series. Blackwood Farm is not the best book in the series, but it is certainly a step above her last couple of books in the series.

    Also, Larry McMurty has a new book coming out soon. The Wandering Hill continues The Berrybender Narrative begun in Sin Killer . Not familar with McMurtry? Read Lonesome Dove and then The Last Picture Show . You'll be hooked. This guy is one of the greatest American novelists of the last half of the 20th Century.

  199. When Doves Cry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A ragtag group of MMORPG players, that have nothing to lose after hackers steal all their fairy points, get back at society by eating excessive amounts of fast food.

  200. Dune by Winterblink · · Score: 1

    ... if you haven't read them. My personal preference is the Frank Herbert books, the original series, and not the prequels by his son. Excellent story, characters, setting, everything. Epic, in every sense of the word.

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    "I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
    -Hoban Washburn
  201. Adventure Reading by cjsnell · · Score: 1

    I enjoy reading non-fiction; here are some of my favorites. Links are to Amazon but w/o any affiliate tag.

    The Endurance: Shackleton's Legendary Antarctic Expediation by Caroline Alexander. True and amazing story of Ernest Shackleton's doomed Antarctic expedition.

    The Lost Continent: Travels in Small-Town America by Bill Brysson. Absolutely, without a doubt, the funniest thing I've ever read. Also by Brysson and highly recommended are Neither Here nor There: Travels in Europe and A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail

    Road Fever by Tim Cahill. Two guys set the world's record for the fastest drive from the southern tip of South America to the northernmost road-accessible point in Alaska. Very entertaining.

    All the Trouble in the World: The Lighter Side of Overpopulation, Famine, Ecological Disaster, Ethnic Hatred, Plague, and Poverty by P. J. O'Rourke.

    Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer. An incredible autobiography by a Alsatian foot soldier who fought for the Germans on the Russian front in World War 2.

    Working on the Edge: Surviving in the World's Most Dangerous Profession: King Crab Fishing on Alaska's High Seas by Spike Walker. Like the title says.

    Steel My Soldiers' Hearts: The Hopeless to Hardcore Transformation of the U.S. Army, 4th Battalion, 39th Infantry, Vietnam by David H. Hackworth. A very interesting Vietnam War read.

    1. Re:Adventure Reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      P.J. O'Rourke is good - definitely a conservative, though - if you have a problem with that, you might not want to bother. He has a lot of insight, though, even if you disagree with his politics. His Parliament of Whores is very good - excellent insights on how the US government works (and doesn't). Think of de Tocqueville's (spelling?) prediction that democracy is threatened when the electorate discovers that it can vote itself largesse from the public treasury. That's the common thread between liberalism and corporatism - using the government to further one's own ends (and screwing everyone in the middle).

      O'Rourke is funny and insightful, and he does not take himself too seriously. He's also (or was in the past) a regular contributor to Rolling Stone, for what it's worth.

      Hmmm, better post this anonymously - it's not yet karma burn Friday.

  202. My reading list by pogle · · Score: 1

    List of stuff I've read recently or am planning on reading soon:

    -Star Wars New Jedi Order Series (if I can ever find the third book in it...)

    -David Edding's Beglariad and Mallorean series (old but always fun)

    -Peter F Hamilton's Nights Dawn Trilogy

    -George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series (book 4 coming soon!)

    -Jack Whyte's Camulod Chronicles (Historical fiction on King Arthur's grandparents, very very good)

    -Tom Clancy's Red Rabbit (been reading bits and pieces for months)

    -Robert Jordan's WOT #10, Crossroads of Twilight (his slowest read ever though, and not too good IMO)

    -The Legacy of Herot, and Beowulf's Children. These two books had like 4 authors, Niven and Pournelle among them I believe.

    -Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series

    -Neal Stephenson - Cryptonomicon, Zodiac, Diamond Age

    -Search for an online book, The Heretic. Got it from a friend, he said there was free downloads--very cool hacker type book, equates it to spellcasting and such.

    -Anything by Robert Ludlum

    -Clive Cussler novels

    Some of these are oldies, but still good. Not all are fantasy or scifi. I've got a ton of others, but these are all the more recent ones (although in most cases it was re-reading them for the millionth time).

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    http://thechubbyferret.net - Ferret pictures and informative links.
    1. Re:My reading list by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Night's Dawn...brilliant.

      Don't bother with Red Rabbit. It doesn't get better. : ) Clancy was wonderful for five books, then he needed an editor. Without Remorse and Debt of Honor were the beginning of the end, although Rainbow Six was enjoyable.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  203. Mitnick's book: not exactly gripping by PleaseDontBeTaken · · Score: 1

    A little less talk; a little more action....

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  204. worth it by mlknowle · · Score: 1

    It's a tough read, but it's definitly worth it:

    Godel, Esher and Bach

    See it on amazon or go to the library

    1. Re:worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Godel, Esher and Bach
      Pretentious, self absorbed twaddle; one that people like to have in their bookcase so people think they're smart.
  205. Perhaps some manga by Phunky+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Seeing as this is the year of The Matrix, perhaps you should read a couple of Masamune Shirow's graphic novels and see where The Matrix got its roots. Definite titles to read include Ghost in the Shell (the original and the new Manmachine Interface), and Appleseed (anyone else think Minority Report's visual style was drawn directly from there?). If you're able to digest mangas as fast as I can, then I'd also suggest picking up the 9 volume Battle Angel Alita set. James Cameron said in a recent interview that he is planning on making at least a couple movies from this anthology.

    Of course... even all of that took me only a couple weeks to read in my very sparse spare time, so maybe you should pick some other books too ;-).

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    It is the monkied monkey that monkies with another monkey's monkey. Monkey.
  206. For some low tech reading by kko · · Score: 1

    Try "Fields of Fire" by James H. Webb. No movie could ever get this graphic. I spent a couple of days in a weird shock after reading this book.

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    No, seriously, I just come here for the articles.
  207. Otherland by theKiyote · · Score: 1
    And if you dig 1,000 page per book trilogies, I made it through the first book of the Otherland series. Some crazy computer fiction, and, again, so much more. Great stuff. Unfortunately, when I finished the first book, the second hadn't been released and I haven't got around to finishing the trilogy.

    Technicaly, the Otherland series by Tad Williams has four books, "City of Golden Shadow", "River of Blue Fire", "Mountain of Black Glass" and "Sea of Silver Light" and I recomend the highly. Never had around three and a half thousand pages fly by so quickly, even quicker than the Wheel of Time series.

  208. Authors & Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China Meiville
    Robert Sheckley
    Robert Zelazney
    Gregory McGuire
    Phillip K Dick
    William S Bourroughs
    Kathy Acker
    Thomas Pychon
    Ian Banks
    Robert Anton Wilson
    Eric Behm
    Dairy of a Wacked Out Bitch
    Heat Death of the Universe (Zoline)
    Brent Eaton Ellis
    High Fidelity
    Franz Kafka
    Christopher Fry

    I wonder if my friends could pick me out by this book list. Hmmm...

  209. 2 non-fiction 1 fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard Rhodes' "The Making of the Atomic Bomb"

    and

    'Underground--Tales of Hacking, Madness, and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier"
    by Suelette Dreyfus
    with research by Julian Assange

    Oldie but a goodie :
    "The Great Book of Amber" by Roger Zelanzny

    "This is the way the World Ends" by James Morrow

    I am gonna read "Cryptonomicon"
    and WOT book 7 "A Crown of Swords" by Robert Jordan.

  210. I hope this is fair use: by cje · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's (Lord of the Rings) not that it's a hard read, it's that it moves way too slowly. IIRC, there's a good page about Treebeard when we first meet him. A simple, "he looks like an aging cypress tree with a face" would work pretty well.

    In the preface to the unabridged version of "The Stand", Stephen King (truly an American icon) writes:
    As it happens, I think that in really good stories, the whole is always greater than the sum of the parts. If that were not so, the following would be a perfectly acceptable version of "Handsel and Gretel":
    Hansel and Gretel were two children with a nice father and a nice mother. The nice mother died, and the father married a bitch. The bitch wanted the kids out of the way so she'd have more money to spend on herself. She bullied her spineless, soft-headed hubby into taking Handsel and Gretel into the woods and killing them. The kids' father relented at the last moment, allowing them to live so they could starve to death in the woods instead of dying quickly and mercifully at the blade of his knife. While they were wandering around, they found a house made out of candy. It was owned by a witch who was into cannibalism. She locked them up and told them when they were good and fat, she was going to eat them. But the kids got the best of her. Hansel shoved her into her own oven. They found the witch's treasure, and they must have found a map, too, because they eventually arrived home again. When they got there, Dad gave the bitch the boot and they lived happily ever after. The End.
    I don't know what you think, but for me, that version's a loser. The story is there, but it's not elegant. It's like a Cadillac with the chrome stripped off and the paint sanded down to dull metal. It goes somewhere, but it ain't, you know, boss.
    LOTR is certainly not short on words, but taking all of the pages that describe the world of Middle-Earth and boiling them down to single Cliffs Notes-style sentences would kill the narrative. There are portions where Tolkien goes overboard (i.e., some of the details of Middle-Earth's history and the lineages of his characters) but on the whole, I thought that LOTR was pretty well-paced.

    I mean, the trilogy isn't a Michael Crichton airport reader or a Thomas Harris psycho thriller. It's an epic journey through a world of splendor and grandeur. The guy invented his own languages for Middle-Earth, dude. :-) Rushing through Tolkien's world would not have done it justice.
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    We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
    1. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 1

      True.
      But Tolkien get REDICULOUS in length. Not that I don't like the books, but as I said, he's too descriptive.

    2. Re:I hope this is fair use: by KITT_KATT!* · · Score: 1
      I couldn't agree with you more. Condensing Tolkien would definitely rob his writing of his beauty. But it's not just that - the books have a thematic balance between good and evil. While the films have done a good job, IMHO they have one significant flaw: By focusing on the action and stripping out characters like Tom Bombadil who drive theme but not plot, the movies lost the thematic balance between good and evil.


      PS What do you mean 'I hope this is fair use'? Hansel and Gretel is not protected by copyright - think about it! H&G was a folk tale told in the oral tradition and collected (but not invented) by the Grimm brothers, so they did not own it. And even if the Grimm brothers had written it, they lived before copyright law existed. And even if copyright law had existed at the time, any protection would have long since expired.

    3. Re:I hope this is fair use: by cje · · Score: 1

      I hope it's fair use because the material I quoted was written in 1991 by Stephen King, not the Grimm brothers. :-)

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      We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
    4. Re:I hope this is fair use: by KITT_KATT!* · · Score: 1
      Okay, the joke's on me. That's pretty funny actually!


      You get so many Slashdotters with weird ideas about copyright, you can never be sure.

    5. Re:I hope this is fair use: by James+Lewis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is true, but I enjoyed The Hobbit much more than I did The Lord of The Rings. Part of it was my dislike for the never changing character of Frodo, but the other part was that it bordered on tedious. While I still enjoyed it, I believe there is a happy medium that you have to reach concerning detail. Part of the elequence of good writing is describing enough of the world so that a person can visualize it well, but not so much that it becomes restrictive and boring to read. The Hobbit most certainly achieved a high level of elequence in that respect, while The Lord of The Rings did not.

    6. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh, but I would suggest that attention spans and thresholds for absorption of detail have changed in recent decades. I imagine readers of today would rather visualize a scene with a much more cursory description of its surroundings than readers of, say, fifty years ago (when Tolkien wrote).

      Or compare with, say, Ivanhoe (my favorite work for these types of discussions). Back in those days, setting the scene contained details of the lives of the laborers in a silver mine which produced the metal on the cuff of one of the minor characters in the riding party. (No, I can't give you a specific quote, it's been too long :)

      Hundreds of years ago that depth of descriptive detail was important (and fairly common) in setting the scene. Today, I hardly think most readers could sit still. We've been raised in a world of constant, high-fidelity images of an astonishing variety of people, places and things.

      Is it any wonder that our minds would much rather fill in most of the details for us than sit through a painstaking description of the grain, curvature and edgework of a wood-paneled shelf that's leaning ever-so-slightly forward because the polished parkay floor underneath isn't quite level? It used to be that such detail was important... now readers just want to know that I have a tall, narrow, brown IKEA shelf that's in danger of falling over, and they'll fill in the rest :)

      My point is that the threshold for "describing enough of the world so that a person can visualize it well, but not so much that it becomes restrictive and boring to read" is changing with the times (sadly, I think).

      -d

    7. Re:I hope this is fair use: by xaaronx · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know. It's just that there's so much more literature (and I use the term loosely) being produced now, and the vast majority is for throwaway escapist reading. In the works of say, to use the best example for this audience, Stephenson this sort of thing is still there. The man writes whole chapters about eating Captain Crunch, for goodness sake (although the method he describes just tears up the roof of your mouth without accomplishing anything else). But the novels filling the racks at the airport or supermarket, as well as almost all modern speculative fiction, are written to be read through once and more or less forgotten by a barely literate audience, even if that's not what their authors might think about their work.

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      It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. - Robert Anson Heinlein
    8. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hobbit was written for children, while The Lord of The Rings was written for a more mature readership.

      They are quite intentionally written using a different style.

      It's a matter of personal preference and attention span what type of books seem readable.

      I for one found The Lord of The Rings a comparatively light read. It's entertaining but not too complicated or deep.

    9. Re:I hope this is fair use: by pacc · · Score: 1

      Just shorting things down might make a worse novel,
      but what really makes a work good is the sections you have to cut out. Maybe it's still left as loose references throughout the book, but somehow its spice for the imagination radically different from the super-pedagogic standards of your typical hollywood movie.

      Tolkien could have gone into much more detail and history about middle earth than he finally did - though maybe the books tells a lot more that just a plot.

      Enders game started out as a short-story
      and it's got everything the final novel has so I sholdn't be soo fast saying it's better or worse just because it don't tell you about Enders parents suppressed religion.

    10. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Part of it was my dislike for the never changing character of Frodo
      Frodo goes through a massive chance in the book! It's a Bildungsroman, for heaven's sake! In fact, he goes through such a massive change that it can't be shown just in his character and aspects of his struggle have to be told through other characters - Sam and Smeagol!
    11. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Dix_sw · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. I like to say that LOTR is a book to read at least twice. The "problem" is that you really get into the story and, first time around, descriptions can get tedious because you want to know what happens next, going quickly through the details.

      I found it way better the second time I read it. Then you read it quietly, getting not only in the story, but also in it's world: the settings, people, and all the little details about the stories and myths of Middle Earth (elves, dwarves, the stewards and kings of Gondor and Rohan,...)

      Then go and read the Silmarillion :)

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      "So, once you know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means."
    12. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Hast · · Score: 1

      Personally I find LOTR to be quite condensed. The hard part tend to be the first hundred pages or so, when they are still in the Shire and there's not much action. Also the bit about Tom Bombadill is often concidered boring and dull, as are many of the songs. However these parts are what you notice the second and third etc times you read the books. You begin to appreciate the depth of the world Tolkien has created.

      If you are reading a translated version that could be a problem as well. At least the Swedish version is known to suck immensely, I've read it and there is a lot of difference with the English. Fortunately there is a new translation in the works now.

      Now if you want to talk about books that are a lot longer than needed you should look no further than Wheel of Time for fantasy, or things like Ayn Rands "Atlas shrugged", which IMHO is an abomination to call a "classic".

    13. Re:I hope this is fair use: by benpharr · · Score: 0

      Actually Tolkien invented Middle Earth for his languages, not the other way around.

    14. Re:I hope this is fair use: by subtillus · · Score: 1

      Ummm...

      Or, if you take the time to go throught the history of middle earth, you'll find bombadil is unaccounted for. Is he God? Tolkien? Something else?

    15. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Tower · · Score: 1

      >Now if you want to talk about books that are a lot longer than needed you should look no further than Wheel of Time for fantasy

      Isn't that the truth - I'm on (another) full re-read of the series due to the 10th book coming out (oh, will it ever end!?) and, though I am fairly well hooked on them, the series gets a tad long-winded mostly starting with A Crown of Swords. There is a lot of good background information, slightly obscured references, and new character introductions, but Jordan tends to prattle on a little longer than he needs to on some subjects. Aside from LoTR, the WoT series is the only fantasy series I've ever really gotten into, and it is somewhat addictive.

      The books surrounding LoTR make it quite a bit more enveloping than most others. A lot of fun, if you can get past some of the 'songs' and 'poetry'...

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      "It's tough to be bilingual when you get hit in the head."
    16. Re:I hope this is fair use: by cybercuzco · · Score: 2, Funny
      The Lord of the rings (abridged)
      Frodo gets a ring from his foster father Bilbo. Frodo finds out the ring is evil. Frodo and some friends go to rivendell to ask elrond what to do with the ring. Along the way they meet strider and are chased by ringwraiths. At rivendell frodo is given the quest to destroy the ring in the cracks of dom. Frodo and several companions set out to do so. Gandalf, one of the companions, is killed in the dwarven mines of moria. The remaining companions pass thorugh the forest of lorien and split up at the falls of rauros. Frodo and same go to mount doom, followed by gollum. The rest of the companions fight some orcs and two of them are abducted. Strider, an elf and a dwarf follow the kidnapped companions. They have some adventures and eventually find them with the ents in orthanc. Gandalf apperently didnt die in moria, and is actually alive. Frodo and gollum team up and eventually make it to mount doom. Strider and the rest of the companions go to the white city and have a big battle. Frodo throws the ring into mount doom and strider is made the king. Everyone then goes back home. The End


      Now you dont need to read it, cause thats the same thing, right? ;-)

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    17. Re:I hope this is fair use: by James+Lewis · · Score: 1

      Frodo starts, like Bilbo, as a somewhat useless, cowardly, and reluctant character. While Bilbo grew and changed greatly throughout the hobbit and became a hero, Frodo is the same pitiful character at the end of the book. Frodo wouldn't of made it without Sam, and Sam really becomes the hero of this book, but Sam is still relegated to a secondary position for the entire book. I can understand Tolken not wanting to retell the same tired story of "reluctant average joe becomes hero", but he could of done something a bit more interesting, like actually having Frodo fail and die, and Sam take over, or something more imaginative which I can't think of =P

    18. Re:I hope this is fair use: by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      I've always figured that the incredible detail of the world was what made LOTR so great. I liked the references to things that are not explained fully, gives you a historical feel (for explanation, read the Silmarillion, if you can... 10 pages and I have to stop).

      It's the details that make it so popular. Otherwise it is a _very_ old story:

      1) good and evil battle over a powerful artifact
      2) reluctant prince/son claims birthright and fights.
      3) after a long battle and much damage to the world, Good wins.

      The simple story isn't a bad thing (almost all stories come from ancient themes)... it kinda reveals something about human character.

      Alternately, there's the 'fortune' version of LOTR (condensed):
      "A Bunch of guys take a long vacation and throw a ring into a volcano"

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      "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    19. Re:I hope this is fair use: by stanmann · · Score: 1

      In a word. Yes.

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      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
    20. Re:I hope this is fair use: by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Um Ok, you left out gollum dying, you should have mentioned the number of companions, and Bilbo is his Uncle and Guardian... Not particularly foster father. What are ents? Where did sam go and what about Shelob. Lorien gifts, Battle of helms deep and scouring. Otherwise pretty fair job.

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      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
    21. Re:I hope this is fair use: by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Probably stretching fair use a bit, but I think Stephen King isn't too terribly hostile about that sort of thing...

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      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
    22. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      Hobit started as a children's book - a charming adventure story - and Tolkien is trying to make the characters funny and likable.

      LOTR is dead serious and sometimes takes itself too seriously and goes didactic about duty, honor, destiny etc. But its story is much stronger than of Hobit and it is a wonderful eskape ito a different world. While hobit is fun, you cannot burry yourself in it so completely after age of 12.

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      I doubt that we will ever figure out - and I suspect that even if we did figure out we couldn't do much about it
    23. Re:I hope this is fair use: by Adaere · · Score: 1
      I'm re-reading LOTR right now, comparing it to the movies. One of the first things I thought when I got started was: there's no way this book would be published today. Readers nowadays expect an in media res beginning, not an essay on hobbit culture. There's no mention of any characters for several pages. LOTR is a milieu story: instead of focusing on plot or characters, Tolkien was using this story to tell us about Middle-Earth. For him, those tedious details were the point. Anybody here read The Hunchback of Notre Dame? Hugo spent half the book describing the way Paris looked hundreds of years ago. He griped about modern architecture and its ugliness. The greatest books in western civilization would all be considered too long and boring today.


      Modern novels, OTOH, are the kind of thing that can be read out loud. For a perfect example, try George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire books. I read them all out loud to my girlfriend. There's no way you can do that with LOTR. There's parts here and there, but some parts are just too long. Martin has television writing credits and understands the modern attention span.

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  211. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by KFK+-+Wildcat · · Score: 3, Informative

    When in doubt, re-read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You can't go wrong with that.

  212. Stephen Baxter by amd6891 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if many here have read the Manifold series, but it is easily one of the best scifi trilogies ever. Each book is a different perspective on a time frame of millions of years, quite interesting and a deep thought provocking look into what will become of earth and humans in the deep future.

  213. Re:Harry Potter ... Order of the Phoenix by j3ffrey · · Score: 0

    Nope. The trouble is that she's just a little young at the moment. She should ripen up nicely though in the next movie, or perhaps the one after that, assuming "the goblet of fire" gets made into a movie.

  214. heres a good one by binaryslave · · Score: 1

    Catch-22, that Yosarian is a hoot

  215. World War by sean23007 · · Score: 1

    The World War series by Harry Turtledove is pretty good. Actually the first book or two are good, and after that it goes south. It's an interesting concept (H.G. Wells thought of it), and Turtledove makes it kind of interesting.

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  216. Open your mind... by reelbk · · Score: 0

    To new and very interesting things:
    Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand
    Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter ***
    Guns, Germs, and Steel - Jared Diamond

    ** GEB deals with AI in what probably is its purest form. This tome will fill your month up and it'll blow you away.

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    - A real programmer uses $ cat > a.out
  217. I don't know about geeks or hacking but... by DrLudicrous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I highly recommend the Dark Tower series, starting with The Gunslinger, by Stephen King. It kinda sorta falls into the class of sci-fi, but it is also a fantasy type of book. So maybe not your exact genre, but if you like that type of book you would probably like this one.

  218. Speaking of never ending... by Infinite93 · · Score: 1

    Dune Never ends. I tried to pull them all at once (I used to have time for that). Somewhere in the 4th or 5th book I just shut down and couldn't take it anymore. Heinlein on the other hand...

    1. Re:Speaking of never ending... by Shishio · · Score: 1

      Yeah, of all the books I've read recently, Dune definitely seems the most dense. Despite that, I still sit down and read through the entire original series once a year or so. The new books are alright, but I don't think they compare to the originals in detail or originality. Still good reads, but for an engrossing book, or series of books, I would recommend the Dune universe.

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      Twelve fingers or one, its how you play. ~Gattaca (Vincent)
  219. Hyperion Series, Dan Simmons. by ShadowBottle · · Score: 1

    Title: Hyperion Author(s): Dan Simmons ISBN: 0747234825 Publisher: Headline That's the first one, paperback. If anyone else here has read it.. I don't think I need to say much. I'll warn you.. it starts out a bit slow, but rewards you heavily. The first two in the series of four, Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion are in my opinion some of the best science fiction you can find. The last two (taking place several hundreds of years later than the original) are also very good, but dont beat out the first two. Last two are Endymion and The Rise of Endymion. Names sound somewhat familiar? The book rests heavily on some of the more obscure writings of John Keats, yet take place thousands of years in the future. Man has ceased searching for God and in doing so has ventured to create it's own... (but this is in the past from the books perspective.) During the time frame of the book, now the machines have come against the same quandry and created their own God.. the UI or Ultimate Intelligence, capable of predicting events with a 99.9999% accuracy.. so whats the 0.1111%? Seven pilgrims and a planet called Hyperion. (Canterbury Tales on crack and whippits). Not really.. but.. my god. I couldn't scratch the surface of the story line without several hundred pages. These books will keep you coming back over and over again. The technology and the philosophy behind the technology and it's relation to humanity are awesome. Spins your head. Good stuff. S-Bottle

  220. Summer reading for sex-starved geeks by bethanie · · Score: 1

    How about abandoning the /. universe altogether (but not the geekly one) and going pre-historic with The Earth's Children series by Jean Auel?

    The Clan of the Cave Bear
    The Valley of Horses
    The Mammoth Hunters
    The Plains of Passage
    The Shelters of Stone

    This series has a very strong narrative (i.e., it's a well-told story) and wonderful, well-developed characters. Lots of detail goes into explaining how they developed tools and techniques and figured out how to do new things, which will definitely appeal to the /. bunch.

    PLUS they're chock full of PLENTY of hot sex!! (Which this crowd ALWAYS needs more of!!)

    Just trying to point y'all in the right direction, boys (and girls!).

    ....Bethanie....

    1. Re:Summer reading for sex-starved geeks by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      The Earth's Children series by Jean Auel?
      Was going to suggest them myself, so I'll dodge the redundancy modding and second you instead.

      The principal character, Ayla, is kind of a hacker, but instead of computers she uses natural materials and animals in novel and useful ways. Perhaps Ayla is too clever - she sometimes seems to think more like a shipwrecked science teacher than a cavewoman. Maybe the societies are portrayed as overly utopian, then maybe at low population densities we feel less inclined to bash each others' heads with rocks. In neither case is credibility bent beyond breaking.
      Yeah, and a fair bit of bonking too.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  221. Bio of a Space Tyrant by Huh? · · Score: 1

    by Peirs Anthony.

    The whole series is great!

  222. Non Fiction? by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 4, Informative

    In my pleasure reading, I try to vary between fiction and non-fiction. Right now I'm reading The Seekers by Daniel Boorstin. I highly recommend it as well as The Discoverers by the same author. These books are narrative historical surveys of search for meaning in the former, and science and technology in the latter. A little non-fiction does the mind great. I can't tell you how many jeopardy answers I get because of this non-fiction reading or that.

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    Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan

  223. Fear and Loathing, or, The Discoverers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Hunter Thompson's FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS for some background on the cyberpunk style, which closely resembles his 60's "gonzo journalism". Or try Daniel Boorstin's THE DISCOVERERS, a superb history of how technology has come to be.

  224. Ken MacLeod by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

    I just finished Ken MacLeod's Cosmonaut Keep and Dark Light from the Engines of Light series; I found them very entertaining. You know it's geek sci-fi when one of the characters complains that he can't get to Slashdot. :-) (Taco and crew will be glad to hear that /. is still around in the year 2049.) Engines of Light combines hacking, politics, space travel, aliens, and oh yeah, there's a little sex and violence.

  225. Not Twain by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't know where his great literary reputation came from. Every book and short story of his I have read has been boring and tedious. I would rather read Shakespeare than Twain. I would rather read what a million monkeys wrote than read another Twain story. As for that Connecticut Yankee story, I read the first 200 pages and stopped, that's all we needed to do a book report when I was in ninth grade. I had to force myself to just get that far, and I love reading. Now almost two decades later, I still won't touch it. I don't even like the movies that are styled after it, that's how much I hated it. Dickens and the Bronte sisters wrote more interesting and entertaining novels.

    Now excuse me while I gargle with salt water to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth from just typing this out.

    1. Re:Not Twain by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      I have mixed feelings about Mark Twain myself. I liked A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court when I was young, but I wasn't much of a fan of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. I do think schools should replace required reading of Huck-Finn with ACYKAC. I think reading Huck-Finn turns more people off of Mark Twain than would like to admit it (myself included), not necessarily because it's controversial, but because it's so goddamn boring.

      However, I've read a little bit of his non-fiction (i.e. I've read a copy of his On Writing and Publishing), and it's pretty good. I particular like where he rips into Fenimore Cooper's writing. Absolutely hysterical!

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    2. Re:Not Twain by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      I'd rather read Shakespeare than Twain, too, but then, I love Shakespeare.

      Hamlet, man...one of the best things I've ever read.

      That said, I like most of Twain's writing, too.

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      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
    3. Re:Not Twain by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

      Well, at least someone saw my comment before it was modded down. I guess some people can't handle reading literary criticisms. Anyway, thanks for the reply. We read plenty of Shakespeare in high school, and all in all it wasn't bad. The worst part was just that we _had_ to read it, and then take quizes about it. I have always read for enjoyment, so being forced to read, and analyze every aspect of the story, takes away the fun of reading. Maybe I'll read one of his plays now, since I can read it for fun. I read Hamlet and Romeo & Juliet already, what else would you suggest for a fun read?

  226. kvcfkjfd;dsj; by nzilla · · Score: 1

    I've never really been as into SF/Fantasy as most geeks are, though I can definitely enjoy those types of stories. Anything by Stephen King is good for me, though most other horror authors are kind of bad, IMHO.
    The Internet Book List, which was mentioned in a story a while ago, is a pretty good place for finding good books, especially right now for SF/F.

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    Ignorance is bliss and I'm suicidal.
  227. Moby Dick by 602 · · Score: 1

    "Call me Ishmael. Some years ago--never mind how long precisely --having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen, and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can." This other classics downloadable at http://promo.net/pg/

  228. I disagree... by rmdyer · · Score: 1

    What you've stated is contrary to the idea that artists have been leaching off of great thinkers for centuries. James Burke, author of "Connections", and "The Day the Universe Changed", goes to show in detail just how artists extrapolate from ideas generated by people who know, or have found, how things really work. Artists basically see the world of reality as characatured, in their mind, then they use emotion to blow ideas way out of proportion.

    Just look at modern movies these days. Almost nothing in them is possible, yet people act like they "will be one day". In fact, when the day comes, what we actually get is 180 degrees different in the way it works, than the artists had originally intended. And, that is the real point isn't it? When "warp drives" are finally invented, they won't be "warp drives", they will be something based on real thinking, on reality, not fantasy. Most people dream of flying, and can write stories as such, that's easy, but few can actually make it happen. Space, was never space to the artists of old, it was heaven, only scientists actually showed that it was "space".

    That's why I really like Authur C. Clarke as an author. He bases most of what he writes on real possibilities instead of unimaginable probabilites. Only very rarely are artists correct about the future, just like a million monkeys all typing away trying to produce something tangable.

    Artists ARE leaching off of scientists and engineers! It's not the other way round. Get that through your head, or go back and live with the Amish.

    +2 more cents.

    1. Re:I disagree... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
      You're assuming that I'm talking solely about SF. I'm not. You need to broaden your horizons as to how art can affect society and culture if you think that SF writers are the only ones concerned about the future and how it will look. I suggest starting with Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales when you begin to broaden your mind. However, I'll understand if you don't read it in the original Middle English.

      I would argue that the arts aren't "leeching" (proper spelling, btw) off of industry - they have to work in conjunction. Come to Detroit and see the Diego Rivera mural in the Detroit Institute of Arts - it is as reactive as it it inflective, showing a great amount of respect for industry, art and nature working together. Perhaps being from the Motor City has an affect on that (I doubt it). I am in a unique position, however. Here I am, running a help desk for a university, yet I have two degrees in English and am a UAW member (it's Detroit - practically all of us are unionized). I'm able to balance industry, nature, spirituality and the arts rather well, I think.

      But I doubt you're a truly lost cause.

      One cannot exist without the other, my boy. It's not leeching because it's not parasitical, it's symbiotic, almost within a yin & yang paradigm. After all, you yourself like Arthur Clarke. His writing has affected indusry and vice versa, but he hasn't always focused on "hard science" (Childhood's End, after all, is a retelling of the Book of Revelations).

      Don't be so quick to dismiss those who want to work with you - you'll quickly find yourself without allies.

  229. Otherland by edmo · · Score: 1

    "Otherland" by Tad Williams is one of the best books/series Iv read. It's comprised of 4 novels. It's set a little in the future, when direct VR access to the net is such a part of life that a keyboard or a mouse seems impossibly archaic, and many people use neural jacks. It has good characters and the computer part of the world seem to follow consistent laws(unlike a resent movie I could name). Also the plot unfolds in a very intriguing manner, one of the best presented plots around...

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  230. Complications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Complications: A Surgeon's Notes on an Imperfect Science

    "...Gently dismantling the myth of medical infallibility..."

  231. just read... by cfscript · · Score: 1

    just read infinite jest by david foster wallace, or atlas shrugged by ayn rand.

    either way, you're either old enough to appreciate them both, or you'll at least enjot the volume vs. price at borders.

    --d.

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  232. George R.R. Martin Song of FIre and Ice Series by tmortn · · Score: 1

    SOmethign about fantasy worlds and guys with two R's in there name.

    Enders game if you have never read it.

    Actual hacker stuff ??? Dunno sounds like you have read the best or at least most current.

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    I don't ask you to be me. I only ask you not expect me to be you.
    1. Re:George R.R. Martin Song of FIre and Ice Series by puppetman · · Score: 1

      Really liked Song of Fire and Ice, but I think it's fall-winter reading. It's so good, you won't enjoy the outdoors.

      I prefer non-fiction in the summer.

  233. Dawn by Octavia E. Butler by essaunders · · Score: 1

    I was cleaning out my shelves for a move and I found this. I actually read it in college for a class. It was a bit different -- not computer sci-fi, more biology or sociology-type -- but still a very good read.

  234. The best sci-fi book ever. by eric_ste · · Score: 1

    Rendezvous with Rama. ACC

  235. Tolkin by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I missed it, but I have not seen anyone recomend either The Hobbit, or The Lord of the Ring yet. If you haven't read the entire set, doing so before the last installment hits the silver screen would be a worthy challenge.

    Ok, I understand that skipping about the first quarter of "The Fellowship of The Ring" may make the book more palatable. I don't know this, because I have not read the series yet. Though I do have it.

    -Rusty

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  236. Simple by SteakJerky.com · · Score: 1

    Reread Snow Crash.

  237. Stick with Stephenson by The1Genius · · Score: 1

    If you enjoyed Snowcrash, you may also enjoy Neal Stephenson's other book Cryptonomicon. Lots of crypto cracking intrigue in both modern day and World War II as you follow the main characters and their grandchildren in two parallel stories.

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  238. Maybe two geek books you missed... by zaren · · Score: 1

    "Where Wizards Stay Up Late", Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon (I have no affiliation with Amazon, I merely use them as a reference) - "...a well-researched story of the origins of the Internet substantiated by extensive interviews with its creators who delve into many interesting details such as the controversy surrounding the adoption of our now beloved "@" sign as the separator of usernames and machine addresses..."

    "Hackers", Steven Levy - chances are you've read this one already, but I'm putting it in anyway :)

    "The Book Of The Subgenius" - Praise "Bob"!

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  239. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

    Actually, Daneel was invented in The Caves of Steel. And Brunner may have invented cyberpunk, but Gibson perfected it and made it what we know it as today in Neuromancer.

  240. Well hey by Faust7 · · Score: 1

    Does Slashdot count as a book? An ongoing saga/comedy/technical reference manual?

  241. MOD PARENT UP! by zapp · · Score: 1

    Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect was definitelly the most enjoyable thing I can remember reading in a long long time.

    It's a short novel about the world post singularity (even where AI in some form takes over the world).

    It's pretty heavy in violence at times, but its a good story.

    There was a review for it on slashdot a few months ago, but unfortunatelly the author didn't know how to write a review and I doubt many people read it.

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  242. You insensitive clod!!! by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 1

    I'm working full time all summer, and getting married soon... I don't have time for summer reading!

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  243. Vurt by ThetaSine · · Score: 1

    Jeff Noon's Vurt is something that you might like. It isn't exactly cyberpunk, but it does have all the trappings of it. Such as existentialism, the nature of reality, drugs, sex, violence, and a good plot to boot.

    Check it out, well worth the read.

  244. Stuff I wish I had read & some I have by yet+another+coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find my ignorance slapping me around too often. I wish I had a better background in literature so I could understand Western culture, the one I live in. More accurately, I'd just like to catch the gist; I know the culture is beyond anyone. I'd like to know more about the rest of the world's cultures, too.

    Don Quixote by Cervantes
    The Divine Comedy by Dante
    Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky
    War and Peace by Tolstoy
    Various Mark Twain works
    The Bible
    so much more. Curse me for my laziness.

    Stuff I have read and recommend highly...

    Kurt Vonnegut books, particulary Slaughterhouse Five It is hilarious.
    Catch-22 by Joseph Heller It, too, is hilarious and biting.
    J. D. Sallinger books and stories
    Winesburg, Ohio by Sherwood Anderson

  245. startide? by http · · Score: 1
    if you're going to plug _startide_rising_, don't forget _earth_, (also by brin) which is a lot more geek and a bit of a longer read.

    binaryhead, be warned: if you start reading _startide_rising_, you might end up reading _sundiver_ and then _the_uplift_war_. then you'll end up reading brin's other trilogy: _brightness_reef_ , _infinity's_shore_ , and _heaven's_reach_ and then you'll be late for work like i was

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  246. "Decline of the American Geek" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Decline of the American Geek, how globalism ruined a good thing". Real? You decide.

  247. The Code Book by Simon Singh by LiNT_ · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend The Code Book by Simon Singh. Excellent very entertaining book tracing the history of cryptography.

  248. Virtual worlds by E_elven · · Score: 1

    "Wyrm" by Mark Fabi. Neat description of a virtual reality world (and the real world) in the not-too-distant future. Not too high a geek factor, if I recall correctly, but it was entertaining.

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  249. Otherland by DarienJax · · Score: 1

    If you're looking for sci-fi/fantasy type books and you liked Snowcrash, check out Otherland. It's a four book series by Tad Williams -- first book is City of Golden Shadow. Not as cyberpunk-ish as Snowcrash, and the writing doesn't have quite the same flair as Stephenson, but it's still a very good read and a huge story. A large part of it is spent visiting different worlds in a giant VR system. It may seem a bit Matrix-ish, but I'm pretty sure the first book came out before the Matrix.

  250. The Way The World REALLY Works by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

    A real challenge: the way the world really works (and almost undoubtedly not the way you profs taught you)... "The Road to Serfdom" by Hayek. Just finishing it now. I wish I'd read it back in 1980 when I got my M.Sc. and went to work in the real world.

    Some other options:

    "Human Action" by Ludwig von Miese
    "Atlas Shrugged" or "The Fountainhead" by Ayn Rand
    "Diplomacy" by Henry Kissinger

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  251. WHY Re:The best sci-fi book ever. by eric_ste · · Score: 1

    Because I did not feel it was sci-fi. It almost felt like a documentary. And that's what I really loved about this book.

  252. Surely you must be joking ... by dclatfel · · Score: 1

    I would recommend every self-respecting geek needs to read "Surely you must be joking, Mr. Feynman" by Richard Feynman. Very cool ... very smart ... and a lot of laughs.

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  253. Re:Isaac Asimove^H by Kallahan · · Score: 1

    Yes it was a joke. now I have to wait 20 seconds to clarify that.

  254. Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by Goonie · · Score: 4, Informative

    His first few books are decent thrillers, particularly Hunt For Red October and The Sum of All Fears (and perhaps Rainbow Six), but his later Jack Ryan books become ever-lengthier hymns to conservatism in general and Ronald Reagan in particular. If his editor had some spine he or she would send his drafts back with lots of red lines through the more egregious sermonizing.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
    1. Re:Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by johndiii · · Score: 1

      I had a weird moment in Rainbow Six, I think it was, where a character repeated a line verbatim from another character, in another conversation, five or six chapters previously. And it was not a common phrase or sentiment. Clancy really needs a good editor. It would probably do him good to kill off Jack Ryan (not that he will). Of course, look what happened to Sherlock Holmes when Doyle killed him off (resurrection, for those unfamiliar with the story).

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    2. Re:Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by mtrupe · · Score: 1

      "If his editor had some spine he or she would send his drafts back with lots of red lines through the more egregious sermonizing."

      Oh yes, censor anything the liberals might find offensive. Never mind the fact that Clancy's books are incredible sellers.

    3. Re:Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by pileated · · Score: 1

      Actually that's too good a word for it. They're ponderous, conservative tomes that don't have an inkling of suspense. The plot line is evident from page one. I hadn't read one in years and recently picked up one of the newer ones about the US joining with Russia to combat China. It was all I could do to finish it, and believe me I didn't feel that I got any reward for doing so.

      I guess like most editors/coaches or whatever, they don't dare argue with success, no matter how lacking in quality that success is.

    4. Re:Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by floydigus · · Score: 1

      Clancy is pure comedy:

      In the first of the Jack Ryan books, Patriot Games, Ryan saves the life of the Prince and Princess of Wales when they are attacked outside Buckingham Palace by the (thinly disguised) IRA.
      He is then visited in hospital by Charles himself, who apologises for not kicking more butt in the fire fight. Ryan gives Charles a good ticking off. Then the Queen comes in and tells him he will henceforth be known as "Sir Jack Ryan".

      Meanwhile, Ryan's wife and daughter are being entertained personally in Buckingham Palace by the Queen.

      Later on, the Prince and Princess visit the USA and drop in for a barbeque at Jack's place. While they are chewing the fat, the IRA attack again and the assembled party have to escape down a rope ladder to sea. Next thing is that they're in a torpedo boat and Charles is showing off his naval skills by piloting the thing.

      See what I mean? Pure fantasy. Mind you, it's not a bad book if you ignore all the bits about the royals and London.

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  255. good stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    greg egan's "Diaspora"
    Jeter's "Noir"
    "Altered Carbon" (i forget the author)

    Asimov's Foundation trilogy
    Phillip Dick's "A Scanner Darkly" or "Ubik"

  256. Good books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complexity - M. Mitchell Waldrop
    Unweaving the Rainbow - Richard Dawkins
    Biohazard - Ken Alibek
    At Home in the Universe - Stuart Kauffman

  257. Ender's Law by sakusha · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have postulated a new law, entitled "Ender's Law"

    "Every time the subject of science fiction is raised on Slashdot, Ender's Game will be mentioned in the first 10 messages."

    I think Slashcode needs an Ender filter, just like it has a First Post filter.

    1. Re:Ender's Law by Timmeh · · Score: 1

      First post!! DAMMIT.

      You see, I would've had fp, if not for that damned filter. I'll see you hell taco!

  258. where to start.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1
    ... (too lazy to link into amazon or wherever, cut and paste)
    • Parke Godwin's 'Waiting for the Galactic Bus' and 'The Snake Oil Wars'
    • Eric Flint's '163[23]'
    • James Morrow's 'Towing Jehovah'
    • Michael Chabon's 'Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay'
    • Donald Westlake's 'The Ax'
    • W. C. Sellar's '1066 and All That'
    • John Case's 'Genesis Code'
    • Michael Baigent's 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'
    • Jonathan Lethem's 'Motherless Brooklyn', 'Girl in Landscape', 'As She Climbed Across the Table'
    • Iain Banks' 'The Corporation'


    That's a good list to start with.. ;)

    Right now I'm into Tacitus, Suetonius, Pynchon's 'Mason & Dixon', and 'Godel Escher Bach'.. Gotta love mass transit!
    1. Re:where to start.... by psykocrime · · Score: 1

      Michael Baigent's 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'

      Good call. If one is going to read that, he might as well read "The Messianic Legacy" by the same author, as well. These two books will definitely give you a lot to think about... maybe not so appealing for born-again christians, though...

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  259. Thought you knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the semester has just ended, and I have graduated from school

    You should be reading resumes on the internet ( fiction - Yes, SiFi- the ones with .Net projects in them) to plagiar you own

  260. I agree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about favorites from your youth? I've recently rediscovered a couple of favorites:

    "Thunder and Lightnings" by Jan Mark

    "Conrad's War" by Andrew Davies

    any of the Tom Swift stuff by Victor Appleton

    Happy reading!

  261. I think... by jay-be-em · · Score: 1

    The reason a lot of self described 'hacker types' have a hard time socializing is because they are so afraid of going outside of their circle off knowledge. Try reading something totally non tech related.

    Some of my favorite literature is by Russian authors. Check out Chekhov or Gogol. Especially Gogol!

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    "Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." --Eric Blair
  262. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interesting list. Quite agree about Frank Herbert's _Dune_ and Roger Zelazny's _Nine Princes of Amber_ (and the series which they spawned), but not so sure on the rest---_Gateway_ didn't do much for me (though it was a good read), and other books by Ursula K. LeGuin are better (esp. _The Lathe of Heaven_).

    I haven't been reading for quite forty years... but... some books / series to add (in no particular order) which I haven't seen added elsewhere in this list:

    - _Wild Cards_ - comic books w/ almost realistic physics

    - _The Stainless Steel Rat_ by Harry Harrison - classic science fiction, and available in Esperanto!

    - Barry Hughart's ``Master Li Novels'' - _Bridge of Birds_, _The Story of the Stone_ and _Eight Skilled Gentleman_ --- read these in private if you're embarrassed by laughing out loud. Fantasies of a China which never was but should have been.

    - Roger Zelazny's _Damnation Alley_ and its sequel _Hardwired_ by Walter Jon Williams (who says ``thanks'' to RZ for ``letting me play in his alley'' in the foreword).

    - Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion cycle, esp. the Jeremiah Cornelius books. This is where the concept of ``multiverse'' reaches its full breadth and depth.

    - Stephen Brust's ``Taltos'' books, _Jhereg_, _Yendi_, &c. (Spoiler: Interesting application of Clarke's law). There's a prequel series written in the style of Alexandre Dumas which are a lot of fun (everyone did read Dumas as a child, right? If not, go and read _The Count of Monte Cristo_ and all the other books first)

    - John Varley's Gaea trilogy - _Titan_, _Wizard_ and _Demon_

    - _The Princess Bride_ S. Morgenstern's Classic Tale of True Love and High Adventure --- the good parts version by William Goldman. Get the older edition (Ballantine Books 1973 if possible 'cause the newer editions have a bunch of typos :(

    - L.E. Modesitt, Jr. _The Forever Hero_, _Dawn for a Distant Earth_, &c. - fun to read as a pastiche of other books which doesn't require that much thought

    - Steve Perry's Matador books are a lot of fun and an interesting view of human potential (though he cops out and punts on the immortality issue when he did the Stellar Ranger books :(

    - Jack Chalker, esp. his Well of Souls books

    - C. J. Cherryh, - her Merchanter novels are classics, _Rimrunner_ is particularly good (though one pretty much needs to read _Downbelow Station_ first for the background. Her Morgaine books are also fantasy classics.

    - Fred Saberhagen - his Dracula books are way cool (haven't read his novelization of the movie though---get _The Dracula Tape_ instead), as well as _The Frankenstein Papers_. and for the sci-fi tie in, ``Berserker''

    - Jack Vance's _Dying Earth_ is a classic, and his Lyonesse trilogy should be

    - Manly Wade Wellman wrote a lot of good stuff, but there're few things as wholly American and mystical, and moving as his stories about Silver John---the short story collection _John the Balladeer_ is a good beginning.

    - Robert Heinlein 'nuff said

    - Lord Dunsany - _The Charwoman's Shadow_ is haunting, and interesting to contrast with _The Return of the King_. I'm fortunate to have a Modern Library edition of _The Book of Wonder_ from ~1908 or so which is a frequent companion when camping.

    - R. A. MacAvoy's books are quite good, and here _Tea with the Black Dragon_ even works in a couple of people who work w/ computers---way cool, though a bit dated.

    Lastly, Terri Windling at Ace Books created ``The Fairy Tale Series'' which are re-tellings of classic fairy tales by contemporary authors, all of which are quite good, especially the haunting _Briar Rose_ by Jane Yolen which I think everyone should read.

    William
    (whose resume's objective line reads, ``To make beautiful books'' ;)

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    Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
  263. Re:You read one Lovecraft story you've read 'em al by cje · · Score: 1

    The Call of Cthulhu is a fantastic story, but I agree that the ending is anticlimactic. The whole story is relayed second-hand by a narrator, and reading through it the first time, I expected the narrator himself to end up involved in the events of the story (that is, with Cthulhu, not with simply paying visits to some of the other characters.) At the time, I remember thinking "Well, this is like two-thirds of a story," but after reading it again, it grew on me. It's creepy stuff; the collective visions and bad dreams of the artists, the monstrous identical Cthulhu Cult rituals practiced by groups scatted all over the globe who know nothing of the others, etc.

    However, I disagree that all of Lovecraft's stories are the same. I can't really draw any direct parallels between Cthulhu and, say, The Outsider or Cool Air or The Music of Erich Zann. It's true that many of his stories deal with the much-vaunted "Cthulu Mythos" (The Dunwich Horror and The Shadow over Innsmouth come to mind) but these are hardly the same stories. Many borrow from the same basic ideas (the Cthulhu pantheon, ancient civilizations that pre-date Man, etc.) but you'd be hard-pressed to find an author (alive or dead) that didn't do the same in his or her body of work.

    Oh, and The Rats in the Walls makes me shiver every time I read it. :-)

    I completely agree on Poe's prose. This is not stuff that you're going to speed-read, but it's great to just sit down and take a bite out of. The opening pages of The Murders in the Rue Morgue, where Poe discusses the difference between true analysis and mere calculation, are great, and make an appropriate introduction to the engrossing mystery to come.

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    We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
  264. Greg Egan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has nobody heard of Greg Egan? He writes by far the best mathematics/physics/virtual reality SF. His "Axiomatic" is a beautiful collections of short stories where the plot points at the beginning are like axioms and the rest of the story unfolds like a proof of a theorem using these axioms. "Diaspora" is about the virtual and real colonisation of the universe and also contains some very interesting mathematics where life evolves using equivalents "Wangs carpets" to Turing machines. His stuff is always entertaining and mindbending.

  265. Dragonlance is good too by fatwreckfan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Dragonlance Chronicles are great too, written by Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman (if I recall correctly). A wonderful series, it got me started on fantasy.

    I agree that Jordan's "Wheel Of Time" is the ultimate though.

    1. Re:Dragonlance is good too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the input, oh lord of all fantasy. How bout you enlighten us as to what "good" fantasy is? I didn't realize that you had to tell me what I could like before I was allowed to enjoy it.

    2. Re:Dragonlance is good too by Servants · · Score: 1

      Eh, I never much liked Weis and Hickman, except the first... oh, four or five books of the Death Gate cycle. Their Dragonlance stuff just seemed kind of blah, one thing happening after another; it's hard to make out a coherent story.

      If you read Dragonlance, pick up Richard A. Knaak. He's actually quite good, what I've read of him (try The Legend of Huma).

    3. Re:Dragonlance is good too by stanmann · · Score: 1

      I loved the ending of the death gate, although as I recall the fifth and sixth books sucked fairly hard, they can't be skipped or you will get lost in the labyrinth. :) Very much like donaldson in that even the Hero isn't that much of a nice guy/girl. SO it relates more closely to "real life" than fantasy with "good" heros.

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      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
  266. chomsky by agurkan · · Score: 1

    OK,it is not sci-fi but I have to recommend it. I am reading Chomsky's "Understanding Power" now. It makes me surprised, angry, upset at the same time. It definetely requires free time, you cannot read that book while trying to do something that requires concentration.
    Give it a try, you will be surprised.

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    ato
  267. Try this matching test for starters by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 1

    Here is a matching test I found somewhere last week. Just match the men listed here to the women listed below. Then start reading the books that the couples are featured in.

    Charlie Allnut
    Rodolphe Boulanger
    Rhett Butler
    Angel Clare
    Mr. Darcy
    Cyrano deBergerac
    Arthur Dimmesdale
    Ethan Frome
    Jay Gatsby
    Heathcliff
    Frederick Henry
    Henry Higgins
    Robin Hood
    Ivanhoe
    Sir Lancelot
    Oliver Mellors
    Paolo
    Pip
    Quasimodo
    Don Quixote
    Edward Rochester
    Tom Sawyer
    Tristan
    Count Alexey Vronsky
    Yuri Zhivago

    Catherine Barkeley
    Elizabeth Bennett
    Emma Bovary
    Daisy Fay Buchanan
    Connie Chatterly
    Eliza Doolittle
    Dulcinea
    Tess Durbeyfield
    Catherine Earnshaw
    Esmeralda
    Estella
    Jane Eyre
    Lara Foedorovna
    Francesca
    Guinevere
    Iseult
    Anna Karenina
    Maid Marian
    Scarlet O'Hara
    Hester Prynne
    Rose Sayer
    Roxanne
    Rowena
    Mattie Silver
    Becky Thatcher

    The list was supposed to be two columns, but that didn't work here. Oh well, that's life. If anyone knows the source of this test, please post it. I do want to give proper credit where it is due.

  268. "Cryptonomicon" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Cryptonomicon" by Neal R. Stephenson of "Snowcrash" fame...one of the best books I've ever read...an amazing book, for sure...

  269. Richard Feynmann? by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    I now you said that you've read all the hacker-bios, but you may want to consider the biography of Richard Feynmann - "Surly you're joking, Mr. Feynmann". He somewhat predates most hackers (and computers for that matter!), and is most famous for being the person to demonstrate the flaw which caused the Challanger to explode. Definitely an intersting read on many levels.

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    -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
    1. Re:Richard Feynmann? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree. I enjoyed the book so much, I bought the followup "What do you care what other people think?". The stories are a perfect example of how a curious scientist interfaces with, and challenges, the strangeties of the 20th century.

    2. Re:Richard Feynmann? by ahogue · · Score: 1

      While you're at it, pick up Genius by James Gleick and round out your Feynman experience.

    3. Re:Richard Feynmann? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'd say he is most famous for winning the 1965 Nobel prize in physics (and the work leading up to it). All his work on quantum computation theory is pretty spiff, too.

    4. Re:Richard Feynmann? by weston · · Score: 1

      James Gleick's "Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman" is not mentioned frequently enough when Feynman bios come up. Very good reading indeed.

      Gleick is also known as one of the first authors of a popularized book on Chaos theory, and in general produces some interesting reads.

      And while we're at it, Malcolm Gladwell produces for the social sciences what Gleick does for the hard sciences... equally fascinating writing that examines wide implications of interesting facts and disciplines.

    5. Re:Richard Feynmann? by roju · · Score: 1

      And good luck finding the frickin book. I've been hunting it for months now with no luck. Seems that most of the big chains these days don't have it in stock, and the little stores are to small to have it.

  270. Behind Deep Blue by agurkan · · Score: 1

    A very good book, definetely hackerish, good science, not fiction though.
    Yeah, I did mention it in a couple previous postings. I loved the book.

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    ato
  271. tolkein and his many names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha, I have to agree with this. It wasn't until much later, and only when someone specifically told me, that I found out that orcs and goblins were actually the same thing. The whole time I thought they were supposed to be two different species.

    1. Re:tolkein and his many names by provolt · · Score: 1
      It wasn't until much later, and only when someone specifically told me, that I found out that orcs and goblins were actually the same thing.


      Seriously? I'm pretty sure that until about 30 seconds ago I didn't know they were the same thing. In fact, I think I'm going to have to go out to the living room and grab my book again.

      I suppose you're going to tell me that the halfings and hobbits are the same thing. :-)
    2. Re:tolkein and his many names by fyonn · · Score: 1

      It wasn't until much later, and only when someone specifically told me, that I found out that orcs and goblins were actually the same thing.

      they're not the same thing. orc's and goblins are similar, but goblins are smaller and craftier. orc's are bigger, stronger and a little more stupid.

      dave

    3. Re:tolkein and his many names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you give a cite from the LOTR for this? Page numbers will suffice.

      I've read that in the Hobbit he makes a distinction, but by the time of LOTR he treats them as interchangeable.

  272. read Don Quixote backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read Don Quixote backwards

  273. Read John Brunner by surfcow · · Score: 2, Informative

    He originated Cyberpunk. Way ahead of the curve.

    Shockwave Rider
    Stand on Zanzibar
    The Sheep Look Up
    Jagged Orbit

    Also Islands in the Net by Bruce Sterling.

    =brian

  274. Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by checkyoulater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For the last 3 days I have been reading Breakfast of Champions. Until now, the only book I had read of his was Slaughterhouse Five. I had no idea his stuff was so great. Before that, I read Survivor by Palaniuk on a recommendation. I finished it in 2 days and then proceeded to buy and read the rest of his books within a week. Fantastic stuff, and for those not in the know he is the author of Fight Club.

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    1. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by DragoonAK · · Score: 1

      Vonnegut's Ice Nine book is good in a nihilistic sort of way. As for Palaniuk, I loved Fight Club, and his latest book Choke is pretty decent, but I didn't care much for Invisible Monsters. Just didn't have the same zing to it the others did.

    2. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by Nutrimentia · · Score: 1

      Survivor was pretty good. Kind of a cross between Choke and FC. Recommended.

    3. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by Halo+Nine · · Score: 1

      I read Fight Club and was disappointed. I thought the movie actually conveyed the themes better. And Palahniuk's writing was rough, to say the least. Maybe it's gotten better in his newer books. William Gibson's Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, and Count Zero are great, but, bless him, Virtual Light and Idoru were not good.

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    4. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by checkyoulater · · Score: 1

      And Palahniuk's writing was rough, to say the least. Maybe it's gotten better in his newer books

      Strange that your complaint about his writing style is what I liked so much about him. His style hasn't really changed at all in his newer books. I suppose I like Palahniuk's style so much because it is very similar to my own (or at least it would be if I was as talented a writer as I wish). That and his fairly intense subject matter...

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      Is that a real poncho? I mean, is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
    5. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by xaoslaad · · Score: 1

      Choke, by Chuck Palahniuk, is an awesome book. Awesome isn't the right word, but it's the first that comes to mind.

    6. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by Spunk · · Score: 1

      Hmm. I found Breakfast of Champions one of his weakest, actually. Cat's Cradle and Mother Night are classics. I really liked a newer one, Timequake, as well. Have fun!

    7. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by cdunworth · · Score: 1

      I've read both Fight Club and Survivor by Palahniuk. Survivor was only so-so -- many of the Fight Club themes were basically repeated, only within the framework of a different plot. The story wasn't nearly as captivating. Of the two, if you had to pick, read Fight Club.

    8. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it. I just finished reading that book yesterday. I started and finished it in the same day. Hadn't done that in some time. It's a good book. Sorta depressing though, damn.

    9. Re:Anything by Kurt Vonnegut or Chuck Palaniuk by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      I have to stand up for Breakfast of Champions. Definetly his funniest, in a black-humour sort of way. Didn't have near the message as Mother Night, or Slaughterhouse V or ever Bluebeard, but still a great book.

  275. Arthur C. Clarke... by Goonie · · Score: 2, Informative
    He's most famous for 2001, but his short fiction is probably better (perhaps partly because his admittedly awful characterisations don't matter so much in the form). There's a reasonably new collection out which has virtually all the short fiction he ever published. You could do a lot worse.

    Oh, and seeing we've had the Ayn Rand enthusiasts, you could try some other flavours of political philosophy. Machiavelli's The Prince, John Stuart Mill's On Liberty and Marx's Communist Manifesto are all reasonably accessible and are certainly worth a read.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  276. Hermann Hesse, others, and non-fiction by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

    I used to read a lot of sci-fi, then I realized how many great books were out there in "other" catagories, and I rarely go back. I suggest Orwell, Huxley (Island), Vonnegut (ok so some of these are still sci-fi in many ways), and especially Hesse. Go for some Lewis Carrol for a neat read. Also, there are more than just fiction novels, try a little Neitzsche, Blake, or Poe.

    But I almost feel bad just making suggestions, there is so much good stuff out there, just pick something random up and start reading!

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    The snow doesn't give a soft white damn whom it touches. -- ee cummings
  277. Thanks! by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

    My status just got upgraded. I thought I was a mere dabbler in the hacking arts; if the converse of your comment is true, I guess I'm a real hacker now. Thanks!

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    I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
  278. Re:More books to read - The Classics by jyak · · Score: 1

    These are all excellent books with some I would like to add:

    - Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
    - 1984 by George Orwell
    - The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    - Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk
    - Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin
    - Anything Written by Douglas Adams

  279. Dancing Barefoot by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


    I'm personally awaiting my copy of "Dancing Barefoot", Wil Wheaton's new book. It's gotten good reviews from people that I respect: Steve Jackson of SJGames among them. I'm really looking forward to it.

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  280. "The Brothers K" by David James Duncan by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

    It's an epic story that touched me on so many levels that, when complete, I was overcome with sadness and loneliness at the realization that the characters couldn't be "a part of my life" any longer. It begins in the mid 1950s and covers several generations of a family through roughly 1991 -- and every page is executed perfectly.

    Get it now.

  281. A pretty good read by SiberiaSam · · Score: 1

    The Road to Serfdom
    by F. A. Hayek

  282. wow...a book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a book...maybe you should go back to school

  283. Mixed bag by BreadMan · · Score: 1

    I, Claudus
    Came to power because rivals thought he was too stupid to be a threat.

    John Adams
    Founding father that doesn't get the respect he deserves.

    Best American Short Stories
    I've gotten this book for Christmas the last 5 years. Some of the short stories pack more punch than a novel.

    Metamorphosis
    A short twisted book by twisted guy. You'll think "What was that all about" for days.

    The Plauge
    How people cope with an outbreak of bubonic plague. Deep thoughts about the human condition by a first rate philosopher.

    The Theory of Moral Sentiments

    Adam Smith's first book, aruges that well functioning markets require moral participants. The "invisible hand" is introduced here.

  284. some excellent reads by dmd · · Score: 2, Informative

    An Anthropologist on Mars, Oliver Sacks
    The Blind Watchmaker, Richard Dawkins
    Godel, Escher, Bach, Douglas Hofstadter
    The Gold Bug Variations, Richard Powers
    Perdido Street Station, China Mieville
    The Scar, China Mieville
    Understanding Comics, Scott McCloud

    Darwin's Blade, Dan Simmons
    Enchantment, Orson Scott Card
    Guns, Germs, and Steel, Jared Diamond
    He, She, and It, Marge Piercy
    Lo's Diary, Pia Pera
    Pattern Recognition, William Gibson
    The Soul of a New Machine, Tracy Kidder

    books in my library rated 'excellent' or 'great'

  285. An interesting read by amokk · · Score: 1

    You might want to forget about the typical "geek" reads for a little while and focus on some amazing literature.

    For this reason, I'm recommending "The Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie to all who are interested. It's not a hard book to obtain anymore and it's definitely one of the more interesting stories ever told.

    It is, however, a very deep book with many hard to understand metaphors. If you don't know anything about Islam you might want to brush up a little before delving into this book because it helps a lot of things make more sense. If you don't want to read a whole book on the subject of Islam, at least do a search for a biography of the prophet Muhammad.

    If that isn't your cup of tea, read anything by Noam Chomsky.

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    I think, therefore I am an Atheist.
  286. thomas covenant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really enjoyed the first Thomas Covenant trilogy, but put down the second one half-way into the first book (and incredibly rare event for me). It just got to be TOO MUCH. I was waiting for Covenant to start whining "Oh the pain, the pain of it all!" in a Dr. Smith voice...

    1. Re:thomas covenant by vondo · · Score: 1
      I really enjoyed the first Thomas Covenant trilogy, but put down the second one half-way into the first book

      That might have been a mistake. The "problem," as I see it, with the 2nd series is that in the first he developed this marvelous world that is so beautiful, naive, whatever (if you read the books you know what I mean). In contrast, Covenant stands out as not being worth its attention, but he is.

      The second series shows that beautiful world destroyed and essentially Covenant is bright spot (which isn't saying much) in the whole business. Very depressing first book. However, in the 2nd and 3rd books, new characters are brought in that make you realize that this world is still worth fighting for.

  287. Tolkien will keep you busy for years... by Streyeder · · Score: 1

    If you REALLY want to be kept busy, try reading all of Tolkien's works. Off the top of my head: The Hobbit The Silmarillion Lord of the Rings Book of Lost Tales Book 1 Book of Lost Tales Book 2 Unfinished Tales 1 Unfinished Tales 2 Beowulf translation Sir Gawain and the Green Knight Farmer Giles of Ham etc....

  288. Something to REALLY think about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a look at the few books from Simon Ings - especially Hot Head and Hotwire or even the City of the Iron Fish.

    Definitely off the wall :-))

    Jinx

  289. Further to this... by Goonie · · Score: 1
    Sorry to reply to my own post, but...

    Tom Clancy is something you read when you want to take your brain out of gear, rather than engage it. Great for reading on a plane, perhaps not so great for when you're on holidays and looking to prevent intellectual atrophy.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
    1. Re:Further to this... by dachshund · · Score: 1
      Tom Clancy is something you read when you want to take your brain out of gear, rather than engage it.

      I used to think so... But no I'm just daunted by the stuff. Six hundred pages just to repeat the same damned plot-line from your last book, with an even more unbelievable set of bad-guys? Last book I bothered to read, I found myself skimming through pages at a time and not missing much.

      It's so bad that your brain actually wants to come back into gear... So it can get the hell away.

  290. For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of Time by hprotagonist0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I started reading Jordan's series in middle school, and I loved it. In fact, I would still love it if either a), it had ended 2000 pages ago, or b), the most recent books were as good as the first few.

    The series is good up until the 5th or 6th book, at which point it stalls and dies a long, slow, painful death. I recently bought the 10th book out of the same vague sense of obligation that sent me to the theater for Star Wars: Episode II, and I wouldn't want anyone else to be sucked into that vortex.

    On the other hand, if you want a good fantasy series, take a look at George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" (starts with _A Game of Thrones_). Another multivolume, incomplete series, but he promises only 6 books, so maybe it'll work out. I also just recently read Neil Gaiman's _Neverwhere_, a dark-comedy urban fantasy (how's that for a sub-sub-genere?), which is excellent.

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    "A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire
  291. Hacker Book? Soul of a New Machine by vondo · · Score: 1
    Ok, first I'd suggest you broaden your horizons and read something completely different.

    But if you insist on reading a hacker book, read "Soul of a New Machine" by Tracy Kidder. It's about the design of a Data General mini-computer to compete with the VAX (so its about the deep, dark past). Yes, it's dated, but a very good yarn and it won the Pulitzer Prize. No, really, it did, and it's definitely a "hacker book."

    1. Re:Hacker Book? Soul of a New Machine by paulsc · · Score: 1

      I second this recommendation. It's a great look into the formation and psychology of technical teams, and it's really well written. And don't forget Kidder's subsequent "House" which is a somewhat more general, approachable parallel for the non-geek; generally, the story of an architect designed house getting built in Massachusetts in the 1980's. Like "Soul..." tries to deal with the project from the perspective of all parties involved from the architect, to the owners, to the carpenters putting the thing up.

    2. Re:Hacker Book? Soul of a New Machine by psykocrime · · Score: 1

      I third this recommendation. "Soul of a New Machine" really is a great read.

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  292. George Martin and Robin Hobb by kyonos · · Score: 1


    Well, I like George R.R. Martin for all of his books, the jokers series, his vampire book, and his current series "A Song of Fire and Ice."
    I do like him a lot. A thousand words wouldn't suffice.

    As for Robin Hobb, any of hers is highly recommended. Her writing is less intense than Martin's, but then good ending is a requirement for US readers.

  293. ebooks!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a healthy 6GB or so collection of ebooks that I have slowly gathered from usenet. So many in fact that I have maybe 60% of the books mentioned here, already on my HD. Now all I need is several lifetimes to read them all!!

    If only there was an easy way to share some of these books with slashdot. I guess I could uuencode the file, split it into pieces, and post it in several comments, but that seems like too much work for both me and the prospective downloader.

    In the meantime I suggest irc. Try channels like #bw, #bookz, #bookwarez and you too can start an ebook collection. Hell, even KaZaA has a few ebooks, but not as much as usenet and irc.

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  295. If you're interested in Mitnick. by Irvu · · Score: 1

    try "The Fugitive Game". It was written about his life while he was on the run (with his help) and it is an excellent read, especially for skipping the FUD.

    For non-tech, you can't beat Shakespeare (well I admit that you might be able to but he doesn't suck that's for sure :).

  296. Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    I mean.....not to troll here....but come on........this isn't a friggin book club. Do your own research for once and pick a book YOU like, or go to a review site and read up on some books. But come on.....I look forward to Ask Slashdot's because from time to time I have seen very interesting questions asked....but this is ridiculous. Let's get a little more thought provoking than helping someone pick up a book to read for the summer.

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    1. Re:Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      The 600+ reviews proves that it was worthy of ask slashdot. I actually think it's pretty interesting reading what the linux community likes to read. It is these opinions that will help the person choose something they may not have otherwise tried out.

    2. Re:Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      " I actually think it's pretty interesting reading what the linux community likes to read."

      That's just it though....as pro-linux as many posts on slashdot may be, it is not a linux community. It is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters". This is not news for nerds, nor is it stuff that really matters. And no wonder he got 600+ reviews, it's an extremely easy question to answer to of course people are gonna chime in with their answer. Go into a room somewhere and ask anybody what their favorite books are and you'd get the same response.

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    3. Re:Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      No you wouldn't get the same answer, and that's point. Depending on what room you asked that question to, you will get very different answers.
      I guarantee that if you asked this same question at a gym, church, school, mall etc you will find the answers tend to group very differently.
      And the fact that I screwed up and said linux communinty doesn't change things, so I fail to understand your "That's just it"...maybe it's the nerd community. I am sure if we did the Venn diagrams for it all we would notice some intersections.
      BTW, how does it matter that a question is easily answered? Again, I try and understand your reason for pointing this out, but it goes beyond my comprehension

    4. Re:Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "BTW, how does it matter that a question is easily answered? Again, I try and understand your reason for pointing this out, but it goes beyond my comprehension"

      The reason why it matters that it's an easily answered question is that there are plenty of other more difficult questions that could be asked instead of this one.....which could be answered by spending 5 minutes on Google.

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    5. Re:Worthy of Ask Slashdot? by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      Most of the questions here could be answered the same way.
      You sure are adamant that this is a waste of time. And you are wasting a lot of your time on it for someone who things it is such a waste. You are a very curious person indeed

  297. Who's Getting Paid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just curious ... who's getting the money everytime somebody clicks the Amazon affiliated Mitnick link in this article?

  298. Greg Egan's books are the best sci-fi I've read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great books, unique perspective, good bio-sci-fi with prescience... All his books are worth reading, the kind you get engrossed in, his classic is Diaspora - lots of data-mining stuff there, you can't go wrong :) Good intelligent reading, more than just emotive pulp.

    Kent

  299. Bruce Campbell's Book by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 1

    If you like the Evil Dead triology, give Bruce's book (If Chins Could Kill : Confessions of a B Movie Actor) a try. It's a really good read with lots of interesting/funny stories and it even has some pictures (for those of you who graduated from my high school and still can't read)!

  300. Derivative Tripe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Wheel of Time series is perfect if you enjoy the (thinly disguised) wholesale theft of ideas.

    Oh, and misogyny. You have to dig misogyny, too. After all, women are the source of all evil in his books. No joke.

    I'm tempted to imply things about the psychological bent of folks who like this series, but I won't.

  301. Jeff Noon -- Vurt by rickmccl · · Score: 1

    geek-hacker psych0delic [sic]. words like a paintbrush, man.

  302. The Jargon File knows by Piquan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you tried looking at The Jargon File's bibliography?

    1. Re:The Jargon File knows by SB5 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried looking at The Jargon File's bibliography?

      It's a good list but it is also quite dated.... I mean I think the youngest book was published in 1996. That's 7 years ago, maybe if there were some more recent additions, or even older books but the list has never really changed or gotten any bigger.

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    2. Re:The Jargon File knows by Piquan · · Score: 1

      Yup. I read it before I posted. But just because a book is old, doesn't mean it's no good. The guy mentioned that he recently finished Snow Crash, so I figure that being recent isn't a priority.

    3. Re:The Jargon File knows by SB5 · · Score: 1

      I know its just that the list hasn't changed in years, at least a few books could have been added as I am sure there are books out there.

      I don't mean to be rude or anything but it just seems like to me someone wrote it up and forgot about it, I just would like to see some additions to it. I am not looking for something comprehensive but it would be nice to add a couple books that might not be as well known as Snow Crash or Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy but books that are still quite interesting.

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  303. The Importance of Huck Finn by Jayson · · Score: 1

    Huck Finn marked a very important time on Twain's literary life and personal life. It deals with issue far deeper than Connecticut Yankee. It is often required reading because it is considered his book. The book that made Twain and what he will always be more remembered by.

    1. Re:The Importance of Huck Finn by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      That may be true, but I suppose my opinion on the required reading of Huck-Finn depends on the particular motivation of the instructor. For example, if the students are expected to appreciate the book simply because it was a landmark book in the historical sense, or that it was significant for Twain's personal life and career, then it may be reasonable that it is required. With this motivation, the teacher should emphasize how Twain's period motivated what he wrote and how his life impacted the work, etc.

      However, if the students are expected to appreciate the literary quality of Twain's writing they should read ACYKAC first. In this case, teachers would be concentrating on the more local aspects of the story instead of the global aspects. These local aspects may include narrative structure, elements of dialogue, layout of particular scenes, and so on. I do think people should be encouraged to read Huck-Finn if they want (and are willing) to appreciate Twain and get a comprehensive sense of his works. But the simple fact that it has been controversial shows that most people reading it don't appreciate its various qualities.

      I recognize that in most teaching environments it's probably not practical to teach both books. In this case, I think they should read ACYKAC first, because if they read Huck-Finn initially, I believe the majority of students are apt to avoid the rest of his writings (including people that like to read).

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  304. Lord of the Flies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was a great one :)

  305. No, he is not dead by teslatug · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not really SciFi per se, but how about some Stephen King for a change. I love the way he describes settings. It creates a very vivid picture in your mind and you can lose yourself in the story for quite a few hours. Some of his books that I would really recommend are the Dark Tower books:

    Soon to be re-released:
    The Dark Tower: The Gunslinger
    The Dark Tower: The Drawing of the Three
    The Dark Tower: The Waste Lands
    The Dark Tower: Wizard & Glass

    Not yet released:
    The Dark Tower: Wolves of the Calla (November 2003)
    The Dark Tower: Song of Susannah (Summer 2004)
    The Dark Tower: The Dark Tower (November 2004)

    1. Re:No, he is not dead by madhippy · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed the first 3/4 books in this series - a few years ago - was wondering what happened to the remaining books tho, I thought they were due out ages ago ...

  306. If you liked 1984... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    > ...something not "scifi-geek-hacker" for a change? It's a big world out there.

    I just finished The Handmaid's Tale today and its such a great book. Think 1984 but instead of criticizing Stalinism its focuses more on a hypothetical western fundamentalist distopia.

    Don't be fooled by reviews that make it sound like a feminist's book. This is great character writing, great world-building, and powerful political commentary. Do some web searches, this book deserves more attention than its already gotten since it was written in '85 I believe.

    Them: Adventures with Extremists. This was the best thing I read all of last year. Writer/Reporter Jon Ronson makes a list of 10 or so people/groups labeled extremists and spends somes time with them in a neutral way as possible. Amazing eye-opening book on how people out there think and live and how it affects us all in the end.

    Worth it just for the chapter on Ruby Ridge. It will bring you close to tears. Laugh at me now, but just read that chapter and then tell me how silly I sound.

    Neither of these books are geeky/hacker but I think they intersect that demographic in interesting ways. Enjoy.

  307. Greg Bear - Darwin's Radio, Blood Music, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Greg Bear is definitely one of the great writers of hard sci-fi. Darwin's Radio is amazing, Blood Music is very interesting, Moving Mars was almost as good as Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars (Robinson's Mars series is phenomenal, read that, too). I also highly recommend Slant as well.

    The world Bear writes about in Slant and Moving Mars brings to mind Bruner's world(s) of Stand on Zanzibar, The Sheep Look Up, Jagged Orbit, and to a lesser extent The Shockwave Rider.

    Bear is one of the few writers to really get nanotechnology and use it in ways that don't suck.

    Darwin's Radio - Dormant viruses encoded in the human genome become active and reprogram our genes. Nebula award winner, Hugo nominated.

    Slant - In the future nearly everyone has nanotechnological monitors that stabilize their brain functions and help keep them sane. Someone has engineered a disease that prevents these therapies from working. Cool AI stuff, excellent ideas about nanotech.

    Blood Music - A biotech research creates intelligent cells. In order to prevent his research from being destroyed, he injects them into his own body to smuggle them out of the lab. Some very interesting ideas about the nature of intelligence and awareness. Incredible concepts for impact of creation. I felt a bit let down by the ending, it seemed like a bit of a cop out. Still a great read.

    Moving Mars - Yet another "colonists on Mars want independence from earth" book. This one is well done. It takes place in a later version of the world from SLANT, so you get to see some cool nanotech and AI stuff. It provides an interesting and new take one this subject. Interesting characters, too. Nebula award winner.

    BTW, If hard scifi is your thing, check out Hal Clement's Half Life.

  308. Anything by Gleick by hcetSJ · · Score: 1

    For something very interesting, and sufficiently nerdy, I'd check out Chaos or Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman by Gleick. I also enjoyed e: The Story of a Number but don't remember the author. Real dorky.

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  309. My fave reads in the past couple of months: by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Informative

    James Alan Gardner - Trapped
    Ken MacLeod - Cosmonaut Keep
    L.E. Modesitt Jr. - Gravity Dreams
    Vernor Vinge - Fire Upon the Deep & Deepness in the Sky

    And some music, for the sake of something different:
    Opeth - Damnation (great acoustic album with tons of Mellotron)
    Soilwork - Natural Born Chaos
    Gordian Knot - Emergent

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    1. Re:My fave reads in the past couple of months: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ken MacLeod's latest (Engine City) is the second sequel to Cosmonaut Keep, and it really really sucks. If you're going to read MacLeod, go with his previous series, starting with The Star Fraction.

  310. UTOPIA by ToPAz3in6 · · Score: 1

    Or, if Down and Out in Paris and London caught your eye, may i also suggest Utopia...
    Short, classic, and an eye-opener. Sir Thomas More's Utopia is a breath taking view of a perfect world NO MATTER WHAT THE TIME-PERIOD. There are so many things that can be viewed as remarkable even in the cyber/modern world we live in. It is my favorite... and so i wont try pushing my oppinion, just my experience as a programmer looking for something unique and quick and easy to read.

    Since there have been over 40 translations... (5+ from Yale press alone) may I suggest Clarence Miller's. I havent completely read other versions, but the first 10 pages of four or five of them all seemed silly, or oversimplified, or over dramatified by comparison. All the names are kept to their proper Latin, and good preparations for/explanations of the entire context are given in a couple good forwards and introductions.

    Happy reading.

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  311. Microserfs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microserfs was a decent read. It's geeky, but more of a story of growth in the dot-com era. I enjoyed it.

  312. That's easy... by Trillan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Terminal Experiment, by Robert J. Sawyer.

    It's about what happens to society when someone discovers proof of the human soul... and a whodunit involving virtual personas created as a method of simulating possible afterlifes.

    Heck, nearly any of his works would do.

  313. S. M. Stirling by LazyBoy · · Score: 1
    The Nantucket trilogy, starting with Island in the Sea of Time.

    The Draka series, starting with Marching Through Georgia. (Out of print, find a copy at your local used bookstore, or at used.addall.com)

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  314. "House of Leaves"... by dosh8er · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...by Mark Danielewski has been a good book thus far. (only 2/3 the way through). Not quite horror, not quite sci-fi, but a big mix of genre. Check out what people on amazon had to say about it.
    Had The Blair Witch Project been a book instead of a film, and had it been written by, say, Nabokov at his most playful, revised by Stephen King at his most cerebral, and typeset by the futurist editors of Blast at their most avant-garde, the result might have been something like House of Leaves.
    It has a surreal depth of a real story, with the phony footnotes and references. The author set the entire plot so well, I had to track down some of the places mentioned to make sure this was indeed fiction.
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  315. Wheel of Time by LauraW · · Score: 2, Informative
    I thought the first few books in this series were fairly good. Jordan is a good storyteller, though there were times when I started to wonder whether this story was really worth telling. There are also some strong female characters in the series, which is something I like.

    But, as someone else mentioned, the later books in the series have gotten very tedious. I'm sorry, but endlessly resurrecting the bad guys after the hero kills them off (trust me, it's not much of a spoiler) gets old after a while. And in the most recent book, which I made the mistake of buying in hardback, nothing happens. Well, one significant thing does, but it's on the very last #$#$% page. The rest of it is total filler that doesn't even advance any of the infinitude of subplots, much less the main plot.

    Laura

  316. Re:More books to read - The Classics by Kentrosaurus · · Score: 1

    Start out with Fahrenheit 451 since it's wonderful and short. Then up the tree to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, I couldn't follow the movie until after I read the book. Suddenly, everything started falling into place, and it wasn't just the phrases like

    'Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a Highway Traffic Cop. Your normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.'
    Well, maybe you better stay away from it if you haven't seen the movie or hate ether for some reason.

  317. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by Qzukk · · Score: 1

    Left Hand of Darkness - IMHO the 2nd best scifi novel ever written after only Dune.

    I find Ursula K. LeGuin to be one of the underappreciated authors around here. Her novels are good (and I really enjoyed Left Hand of Darkness), but she really shines in her short stories and parables. Her stories and parables convey the moral of the story without being overly cryptic or completely unsubtle most of the time, and she regularly challenges the standard stereotypes.

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  318. Shameless Self-promotion by CleverNickName · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You asked about a "scifi-geek-hacker book".

    You may like my book, Dancing Barefoot. There's a really long story all about Star Trek (scifi) and me (geek) and Vegas (hackers, I suppose, if you count Bringing Down the House, which is a GREAT summer -- or anytime, really -- read.)

    But I won't pimp the link for BDTH, because I'm only shamelessly promoting myself. ;-)

    1. Re:Shameless Self-promotion by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Make my library have it!

      Or hire me. Need an engineer?

      I've been reading this discussion and setting my library hold queue to "pillage". Trying to fill up my free time between not getting replies on my resume.

      Good luck with the book!

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    2. Re:Shameless Self-promotion by mocharock · · Score: 1

      Right on man, and good job! I will definalty check it out! When did you have the time to write it I wonder?

  319. A few suggestions by El+Volio · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you haven't already read them, find something by Cory Doctorow (he's made his novel Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom freely available if you don't want to buy it, but it's worth it) or Charles Stross. Another good author more hyperpunk than cyberpunk is Eric Nylund; his two novels Signal to Noise and A Signal Shattered are great. I find picking up an anthology like The Year's Best Science Fiction helps me find authors whose work might interest me; that's how I found Charles Stross's work, at any rate. There are plenty of others out there, go digging around and you'll find tons of pointers on the Web for what to read.

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  320. Re:Depends. Enjoy sanity? by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

    I second Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. It's definitely one of the funniest books I've ever read.

    The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul taught me a lot about finding my way around in a car...

    Oh, nevermind, you have to have read it to get it.

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  321. My favorite reads by dchamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Roger Zelazny - "Lord of Light". I've seen others mention the Amber series, which I found tedious and self-indulgent on par with Hubbard, but "Lord of Light" was a great book, mixing the Hindu gods with science fiction. "Roadmarks" is pretty interesting too.

    David Brin - the "Uplift" series, starting with "Sundiver". Great stuff.

    Gregory Benford - great hard science fiction. Timescape is my favorite - you'll never think about time travel quite the same after reading this... I need to read more of his work!

    Guy Gavriel Kay - Very good Tolkien inspired fantasy. He's the writer who helped finish the Simarilion (sp?). His style and quality are on par with Tolkien, but he doesn't steal any of the Tolkien mythology, instead he created his own.

    Brian W. Aldiss - a very prolific science fiction author, and winner of many awards, but a lot of people have never heard of him. There's a book (based on a short story) called either "Hothouse" or "The Long Afternoon of the Earth" depending on where it was printed. Also, for a very tongue-in-cheek book, try "The 80 Minute Hour - A Space Opera". OK, maybe it's just wierd. But it was fun to read.

    You mention you've read "Neuromancer" by Gibson. Have you read "Count Zero Override"? Just about all of the big Gibson fans I know consider this to be his best work, and I agree.

  322. My 2 cents by ca1v1n · · Score: 1

    Ender's Game, The Andromeda Strain, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (all 5 books, trust me on this)

    1. Re:My 2 cents by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      LIES! Filthy horrible lies! Stop at book 3, H2G2 books 4 & 5 sucked, added nothing to the original storyline, and were just plain not funny.

  323. get yourself a good dick by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 1

    Philip Dick is definitely the father of cyberpunk and a great writer as well. Plenty of good stories if you can find them.

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  324. It's winter. by trouser · · Score: 1

    Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon.
    Just started reading 'Free as in Freedom'. All about RMS. He has a beard.

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  325. Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers
    Author: Grant Naylor

    This is a great read, short, funny, and it's SiFi!

  326. "The Doppleganger Gambit" by Mooncaller · · Score: 1

    by Lee Killogh (sp?), a SF mystery in a Credit Card society. Should keep you entertained for a day or two.

  327. John Ringo by m0ng0l · · Score: 1

    He writes military sci-fi. March Upcountry, March to the Sea, and March to the Stars are good. The Legacy of the Alldenta series is good: A Hymn Before Battle, Gust Front, When the Devil Dances, and Hells Faire. If you like Sluggy Freelance, the Hells Faire book has references aplenty. If you pick up Hells Faire, it has a CD-ROM with the entire series, in several formats (great if you have a Palm or equiv) For a wacked out mind f**k, The Illuminatis Trilogy by Robert Shay & Robert Anton Wilson. Way weird, and you can currently get it for about $20 on Amazon. I'd also agree with everyone who suggested the Honor Harrington books. Jason A.

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  328. The "Otherland" series by Tad Williams by __david__ · · Score: 1

    This is a set of 4 novels that look dauntingly long but are a breeze to read through. They involve a virtual reality matrix-style world but are more involved with the story/characters than with detailing heavy duty science/math. The series is one of the most enjoyable series I've read of late, and I definitely recommend it!

    A word of warning: The novels don't end well... It's really like 1 big long book split up into 4 physical books. The last one ends well, though...

    -David

  329. Re: After watching Matrix 2, read Sophie's World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Geeks who like the philosophy-lite offered in the first two Matrix movies should check out Sophie's World.

    Sophie's World isn't hardcore philosophy either, but is easy to digest and covers the philosophical questions posed in the Matrix movies as well as many other equally (or more) interesting questions.

    However, it does lack Carrie-Anne Moss in PVC.

  330. How about something USEFUL? by Jetson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" would be a good starting point for someone who's fresh out of school and wondering what sort of future their diploma will bring. It might also open your eyes to the plight of the hundreds of thousands of dot-bomb paupers out there who thought a 60-hours-per-week job with a signing bonus was the epitome of success....

    1. Re:How about something USEFUL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Rich Dad/Poor Dad series is ridiculous. Kyosaki is a terrible writer and you'll read the whole book and at the end still be wondering what he proposes you do.

    2. Re:How about something USEFUL? by sahala · · Score: 1
      "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" would be a good starting point for someone who's fresh out of school and wondering what sort of future their diploma will bring. It might also open your eyes to the plight of the hundreds of thousands of dot-bomb paupers out there who thought a 60-hours-per-week job with a signing bonus was the epitome of success....

      Before you read Rich Dad Poor Dad, do some research about the author. I'm not telling you not to read the book, but at least read it with a grain of salt.

      Check this: http://johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html

  331. The Classic Response.... by rifter · · Score: 1

    1001 Arabian Trolls, of course!

    What, you expected legitemate literary criticism on slashdot?! :)

  332. Rainbow Six research flawed (NOTE:SPOILERS) by Goonie · · Score: 1
    Rainbow Six had other issues, particularly poor research.

    Sydney does not have 100 Farenheit days in September, when the Olympics were. 30 seconds of googling can tell you that Sydney's record September temperature, over 140-odd years of record-keeping, was about 94 Farenheit (still reasonably warm, but *extremely* rare), and the mean daily maximum in September is a very pleasant 67 Farenheit. There was no need for the kind of fogging equipment that formed the key point of the terrorists' plan in the book. If you were going to use a fogging system at an Australian sporting event to spread Shiva, the only one of global interest that's held in really hot conditions is the Australian Open. Equally jarring, the dialogue involving Australians just didn't ring true. I doubt Tom Clancy has ever spoken to an Australian, let alone an Australian soldier, in his life.

    Now, if he can't be bothered getting easy stuff like that right, how the heck are we supposed to find the rest of the book convincing?

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  333. MOD PARENT INSIGHT-FULL! by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1

    N/M

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  334. O'Reilly by braddeicide · · Score: 1

    Hacker Bios? get into some O'Reilly.

    You could good read 'hacking' books like http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com or any number of unix books. i'm eagerly awaiting absolute OpenBSD atm :)

  335. Orwell is great! by simetra · · Score: 1

    I love DnOiPaL... it's one of my all-time favorites. Actually, it's probably my favorite. It's especially good if you find yourself working in a restaurant; as I was when I first read it.

    Orwell is great. Forget all the crap they taught you in high school about 1984 and Animal Farm. I just finished Coming Up For Air, and am now reading Homage To Catalonia. About a year ago, give or take, I read Burmese Days. Many years ago I read Keep The Aspidistra Flying... will probably read that soon too.

    What do I like most about Orwell? I don't know. Maybe because when I'm reading him, I catch myself saying "That's it. Exactly." Good, Good Stuff. Very well written, not too pretentious.

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  336. Off the Beaten Path. by MentosPimp · · Score: 1

    I see Ender's Game and Cryptonomicon mentioned many times and I enjoyed them both, but to be different I will suggest some non-geek books.
    Red Harvest, by Dashiell Hammett
    and for a new book:
    Moneyball, by Michael Lewis

  337. Non-hacker/non-sci-fi summer reads by Admiral1973 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I love science fiction and technological novels by authors like Neal Stephenson and William Gibson, but the past few years I've tried to mix up my reading and expand my literary knowledge. Over the past three summers I've read:

    Portnoy's Complaint, by Philip Roth. Excellent off-the-wall psychoanalysis of growing up Jewish in New York City. It's really wild in some places, and laugh out loud funny most of the time.

    The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoyevsky. It's not light reading, but it's fascinating. A study of family relationships, life in tsarist Russia in the 1870s, religion, politics, everything.

    Doctor Faustus, by Thomas Mann. It's dense German prose, even after the translation to English. But I'm a musician, and this book is all about music, art, the history of Germany, and Hitler's rise to power, all wound up in the biography of a composer who sells his soul to the Devil in exchange for musical success. It's one of the five best books I've ever read.

    My big summer read for this year is Charles Dickens' Great Expectations. It's my wife's favorite novel and she identifies strongly with the lead female character. Since I've never read it, I figure it's about time I got to know something that she enjoyed so much.

    I've also spent time reading the latest Dune novels by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson, a few Star Wars novels, all the Harry Potter books, and I'm currently reading a history of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think that as long as you spend your summer reading and keeping your mind in shape, it doesn't matter what you read. Just enjoy yourself.

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  338. C. J. Cherryh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Downbelow Station, the Chanur Saga, Merchanters Luck - C. J. Cherryh is a master of world building... and my favorite author.

  339. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read something of the personal library of Borges.
    Alexandros trilogy by Manfredi Valerio Massimo.
    George Bataille or Emile Cioran, something not related of computers, cyberpunk, science, etc.

  340. Vehicles by braitenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a great book!!

  341. Not at all Tech/Sci-Fi but... by nix2k · · Score: 1

    The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey An absolutely great book. But it is likely only going to take you a few days to read, cause you won't put it down.

  342. Robert A. Heinlein... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Moon is A Harsh Mistress

    Amazing book.

    Mikerosoft

  343. Non-computer books by discogravy · · Score: 1

    broaden your knowlege base a bit. Pick up some Bill Bryson if fiction isn't your thing; he has a new book out called "a short history of everything" (or something like that... I haven't read all of it yet and forgot the title....everything else he's written that I've read -- travel narratives, mostly -- are fantastically great and very entertaining; I would recommend either "A walk in the woods" or maybe "travels in europe". great stuff.

  344. Well.. by Arjuna+Theban · · Score: 1

    Having graduated in the not-so-distant past, the one advice I can give you is to try to do a whole lot more than read a book in that month and live it like it's your last. You can always read a book again, but your brain will be blindsided by the time you've been working for 6 months and you'll wish you had taken a loooong vacation before you started.

    To stay on topic, if you like fantasy and can stand a few too many Tolkien-isms (read: plagiarism) try the Belgariad and the Malloreon series by David Eddings.

    -bm

  345. Close To the Machine! by ellen ullman, programmer by lunachik · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is an awesome, quick read about life as a senior programming consultant in san francisco, from a very old school programmer. It's full of nerdly glee, and written in an engaging narrative style. FYI, I also have an amazon listmania called Dork Tales, but Close To The Machine is my favorite.

    I'll let the text speak for itself:

    Knowing an IBM mainframe -- knowing it as you would a person, with all its good qualities and deficiencies, knowledge gained in years of slow anxious probing -- is no use at all when you sit down for the first time in front of a UNIX machine. It is sobering to be a senior programmer and not know how to log on.

    There is only one way to deal with this humiliation: bow your head, let go of the idea that you know anything, and ask politely of this new machine, "How do you wish to be operated?" If you accept your ignorance, if you really admit to yourself that everything you know is now useless, the new machine will be good to you and tell you: here is how to operate me.

    Once it tells you, your single days are over. You are involved again. Now you can be arrogant again. Now you *must* be arrogant: you must believe you can come to know this new place as well as the old -- no, better. You must dedicate yourself to that deep slow probing, that patience and frustration, the anxious intimacy of a new technical relationship. You must give yourself over wholly to this: you must believe this is your last lover.

    I have known programmers who managed to stay with one or two operating systems their entire careers--solid married folks, if you will. But, sorry to say, our world has very little use for them. Learn it, do it, learn another: that's the best way. Don't get comfortable, don't get too attached, don't get married. Fidelity in technology is not even desirable. Loyalty to one system is career-death.

    Is it any wonder that programmers make such good social libertarians?

  346. need *a* book? by trommaster · · Score: 1

    sheesh, i usually read upwards of 5 books in a block of summer holidays..... and no, im not talking cartoons/8yr old books, either...

  347. my sumr tech-politics-cultural-critique crossovers by rafael_es_son · · Score: 1

    Anything by the Critical Art Ensemble
    [technology-politics-culture]
    http://ww w.critical-art.net

    Escape Velocity
    Mark Dery
    [technology-culture-art]

    Hatred Against Capitalism
    [fiction-non-fiction-essays]

    Software Patterns
    The GoF
    [software design]

    Envisioning Information
    Tufte
    [technology-interface-design-a rt]

    Society of Mind
    Minsky
    [AI theory]

    The Perfume
    Suskind
    [*good* contemporary lit]

    Comments?

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    HAD
  348. You've Spent Your Life Reading: DRIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are just about to embark on a full-time job and perhaps a career I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense for you to celebrate what will be your last (albeit abbreviated) true summer. Once you join the working-day world, summers lose their luster a bit...their magic.

    Don't just sit at home. Get in a car and drive. See the country. Explore. Seize the day.

    OK, if you have to read bring along a copy of "On The Road", by Jack Kerouac (or "My Travels with Charley")...but only read it during the night or when it rains.

    Trust me I took a similiar voyage in that precious gap between school and career and look back on it fondly. Even after 10 years.

  349. Cheap Complex Devices/Acts of the Apostles by SoftEffect · · Score: 1

    You could try
    Cheap Complex Devices or
    Acts of the Apostles
    both great geek reads and both available (for FREE)
    at www.wetmachine.com

  350. sven hassel by laemas · · Score: 1

    scary. he was in world war 2 , although the stories are dramatised. simple writing but very effective. you can go from his unit drinking to fughting in like 1 page. dosent glorify war or the nazis at all , after reading any of his books you'll never want to go to war , or go to war yourself

  351. The book I read was in your eyes... by yellowstone · · Score: 1
    • William Gibson's Pattern Recognition. It's not SF, but it does have that same sort of feel; the plot is very much technology driven.
    • Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix Plus
    • Greg Egan's Permutation City and Quarantine.
    • Larry Niven's Known Space Stories (Protector, Ringworld, Ringworld Engineers, etc)
    • Vernor Vinge's Across Realtime, A Fire Upon the Deep, and A Deepness Upon the Sky
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  352. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by lommer · · Score: 1

    I concur.

    As an aside, does anyone here remember the old RPG that was based off of Pohl's Gateway? It went by the same name as was actually pretty good.

    Back to books though, I'd also reccomend Moving Mars by Greg Bear, it's a good read and is not as well known as it deserves to be.

  353. Nancy Kress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed no one has mentioned the Beggars in Spain yet!

    -kade

  354. ahem.. by delmoi · · Score: 1

    See sig. :P

    Actualy my personal webserver is down, but you can find a lot of the novel at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cokere/re/index2.ht m.

    I just finished The Diamond Age My Neil Stephenson. It's a good book but gets pretty bizzare at the end.

    Danny Yee's book reviews are always intresting. He seems to be the #1 search result on google for book reviews.

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    ReadThe ReflectionEngine, a cyberpunk style n
  355. Women SF authors by LauraW · · Score: 1
    I tend to read a lot of women SF authors, not for any feminist, political reasons but because on average they seem to pay more attention to characters and societies. Here are some of my favorites:
    • Connie Willis is very good at creating characters you can care about, and she has a delightful, dry sense of humor. The Doomsday Book is one of the best books I've ever read. Passage (a recent Hugo nominee) and To Say Nothing of the Dog were also quite good.
    • Ursula K. LeGuin has been mentioned by others. The Left Hand of Darkness and The Dispossessed each won (and deserved) both the Hugo and Nebula. The former is sort of about gender relations and the latter is about a future utopian (or is it dystopian?) society.
    • C.J. Cherryh is good at what I call "sociological fiction". Her characters are good, but her strength is creating believable, consistent societies and exploring them. Downbelow Station and Cyteen were both excellent, as was the Foreigner series.
    • Sheri S. Tepper has written some good books, especially The Gate to Women's Country and Grass, which are hard to describe without spoiling. Some of her later books ladle on the feminism a bit too thickly, though.
    • C.S. Friedman's This Alien Shore was very good, and a bit cyberpunk-ish.
    And some guys who I haven't seen mentioned yet too...
    • Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars trilogy is also excellent. I'd lump it into the "sociological" category as well. It chronicles the colonization (and subsequent politicization) of Mars by following a cast of 20 or so main characters. Antarctica is also very good -- sort of a cross between the Mars trilogy and cyberpunk, though people are hacking culture rather than computers.
    • Dan Simmons. Hyperion and its sequels were extremely good.
    • Greg Bear's Queen of Angels is very good.
    I could go on, but that's probably enough. I hope it helps.

    Laura

  356. Atlas Shrugged by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

    Second only to the Bible in both a Library of Congress survey and Book-of-the-Month Club study of books that made a difference in the reader's lives.

    It's long, but it's good. The down side is, you'll likely end up understanding all those freaky libertarians and objectivists. :)

    1. Re:Atlas Shrugged by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 1

      I consider myself to be a "praticing" Christian, an Ayn Rand is admamantly opposed to a belief in God as it totally defies her way of living by reason alone. Some of the stuff she put forth in Atlas Shrugged were 180 degrees in contradiction to my way of life -- even sometimes to the point of being insulting.

      With that being said, it's the best novel I've ever read.

    2. Re:Atlas Shrugged by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Although I'm more of a deist, I don't really see the conflict between Christianity and logic, except in the absolute extremes of Christianity, where people take the bible literally, word for word. :)

    3. Re:Atlas Shrugged by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 1

      I agree, unfortunately Rand didn't.

      For me, my logic simply won't let me believe that everything around me is the circumstance of cosmic chance. Vegas is an empire built on the fact that even when you only have a slight advantage, the odds still work out in your favor. For me, the chances upon chances that would be required for the end result that is our society today simply do not compute if left up to chance.

      However, Rand's argument is that you cannot feel, see or hear God, and thus only a fool would leave up to faith that which their logic and reasoning could not prove. I really like the basis for her arguments, I just don't follow them to the same conclusion.
      ---

      As far as the "literal bible" thing... what so many forget is that the bible is a translation of the original Greek (new testament) and much gets confused in it. For example, the greeks have some absurd number of words for "love"... we have but one. In any such translation, there will be things that if taken literally or out of context, will lead to difficulties.

  357. Battle Field Royale by aSiTiC · · Score: 1

    Pulp classic that originated in Japan and became a hit movie and graphic novel. It has recently been translated to English and I just picked it up. I was able to read through it very quickly. It's very entertaining.

    My quick review would be: Brutal teen novel with hackneyed romantic undercurrents but overall very unique and interesting.

  358. John Barnes, Glen David Gold, & Steven Millhau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some excellent books:

    Mother of Storms by John Barnes (TOR)
    Suppose the Pacific Ocean warmed up 2 degrees and spawned a hurricane with supersonic wind walls? Lots of cyber geek details and well thought out science. An innovative way to wreck the world without hitting it with a big rock. Clever technology of cyber-sex too!

    Carter Beats the Devil by Glen David Gold (Hyperion)
    A novel of stage magic (Carter was a real American Illusionist at the turn of the century), the odd death of President Warren G. Harding and the invention of television. Yes, it ties them all together. You will find a soulmate in Carter who created magic tricks the way programmers code, and for similar reasons.

    Martin Dressler: The Tale of an American Dreamer by Steven Millhauser (Vintage) Won the Pulitzer Prize a few years ago. This is the science fiction novel that would have been written in 1890 about the future big engineering feats of the next 20 years, had there been any SF in those days. A wonderful vision of a man trapped in his own virtual reality built only using the tools, materials and values of 1900.

  359. My List (was Re:Fantasy?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Here is my list in no particular order. I really enjoyed a lot of these books.

    Endurance : Shackleton's Incredible Voyage [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078 670621X/ o/qid=970521601/sr=2-1/103-5455627-2858206

    South : A Memoir of the Endurance Voyage [have, not read yet]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/07867 05973/ ref=sim_books/103-5455627-2858206

    Into Thin Air [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/038 5492081/ o/qid=970521775/sr=2-1/103-5455627-2858206

    Flags of Our Fathers [have, not read yet]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/05531 11337/ ref=sim_books/103-5455627-2858206

    The Greatest Generation [read 25%]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/03755 02025/ o/qid=970521724/sr=2-1/103-5455627-2858206

    Forgotten Soldier [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/008 0374379/ qid=970521676/sr=1-1/103-5455627-2858206

    Great Escape [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/044 9210685/ o/qid=970521635/sr=2-1/103-5455627-2858206

    Codebreakers : The Inside Story of Bletchley Park [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/019 285304X/ o/qid=976202622/sr=2-2/102-3996568-7756118

    Alan Turing: The Enigma [have, not read yet]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/08027 75802/ qid=976202674/sr=1-1/102-3996568-7756118

    Navajo Code Talkers
    unknown url, just a topic I am interested in

    Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/037 5703373/ qid=976764682/sr=1-4/105-0808633-5168732

    America's Lost Treasure [want]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087 1137321/ ref=sim_books/105-0808633-5168732

    In the Heart of the Sea : The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067 0891576/ 107-6570722-7918968

    La Salle and the Discovery of the Great West [read 10%]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/03757 5475X/ 107-6570722-7918968

    The Cartoon Guide to Statistics
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN /0062731025/ 103-4054053-7483859

    Managing Gigabytes : Compressing and Indexing Documents and Images [want]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/155 8605703/ 103-4054053-7483859

    Programming Windows, The Definitive Guide to the Win32 API [have, not read yet]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/15723 1995X/

    Ghost Soilders [read]
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/038 549565X/

  360. Hell, why not? by Checkered+Daemon · · Score: 1

    Lotta replies already, but here's my $.02 anyway:

    Brunner's "Shockwave Rider" gets all the credit, but it's far from his best. Find a copy of "Stand on Zanzabar" and enjoy the ride!

    Brian Aldiss' "Helliconia" trilogy is a fascinating look at human nature, in a world where man is only the dominant species during the thousand year long summer. Highly underrated.

    If you've ever read Stephenson and marveled at his use of language, you're ready for the big leagues. Find a copy of Thomas Pynchon's "The Crying of Lot 49". If you like it, dive into "V" or "Gravity's Rainbow".

    Anything by Phillip K. Dick.

    Ditto J.G. Ballard. His recent "SuperCannes" is a good starting point. Save "Crash" for later.

    If you haven't read Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" comics, you're missing one of the greatest artworks of the century.

    A lot of David Brin sucks, but I really liked "Startide Rising".

    And one of the most fascinating, frustrating things I've ever read three times, Samuel Delany's "Dhalgren".

    That's enough for now.

  361. Free Radical by Hentai69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would highly recommend this story by Shamus Young. Its online, free, relatively short, but its a nonstop futuristic hacking and zombie killing romp from start to finish. Did I mention it was heavily based off of System Shock 2? ;0)

  362. "Empire Express" by David Howard Bain by n9fzx · · Score: 1
    How about some history? Not that bland, boring crapola that gets poured on high school students, but real history with controversy, human personality, high stakes, and... technology?

    Empire Express is the history of the first US transcontinental railroad (from Omaha to Sacramento), but it's so much more than a timeline. Bain introduces us to the key figures, then animates their personalities so that we get to know them. Well researched and factual, yet it reads like Clancy.

    Railroading was the high tech of its day, and the technical, financial and political interplay will resonate with anyone who was involved in the Dotcom boom. It's all there: a tech genius with a vision ("crazy" Theodore Judah) begs politicians and financiers to build the Great Thing, then is cut out and dies trying to get back into the game. Financiers float inflated bonds and other worthless bits of paper, siphoning off tidy profits for themselves so immense that they kicked off the "Gilded Age". The despiration boring tunnels through Sierra granite that leads to the use of nitroglycerine (and an accident that vaporizes a ship in the San Francisco harbor). And all made possible by hordes of low-paid domestic and immigrant labor. Sound familiar?

    One warning: it will take you the entire summer to read through all 700+ pages. But well worth it.

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    ...-.-
  363. Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution by obnoximoron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    by Steven Levy. The mother of all hacker books. Hacking used to mean 'clever means of improving electronic and computer systems'. At what point did it get perverted to mean unauthorized access to computer systems? Sigh.

    The books begins at MIT in the late 50s, with hacking at the model railroad club, and ends at MIT in the 80s with the Richard Stallman about the freedom to hack software. I found the beginning and the end of the book much more interesting than the stories in the middle set in Stanford and the Valley.

    1. Re:Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution by FutureShoks · · Score: 0

      I second that motion - this was the first and best hacking/computer book (and one of the best books along with Neuromancer) that I have ever read.

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      ___FutureShoks___
  364. Dark as Day (science fiction) by xtrucial · · Score: 1

    If you've read all the classics, you should check out a newer book (2002) by Charles Sheffield:

    Dark as Day

    It's got plenty of geeky goodness: solar system-wide distributed computing, forcasting of the future using computer models, lots on how SETI of the future might. I like the book, because Sheffield clearly has the technical background down solid (hence the "hard science fiction" genre applied to the novel). And the plot and characterizations aren't bad either.

  365. Why read Books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why read a book? Write your OWN book.

    FREE your mind... spooge it onto paper, and stick in on the web.

  366. The real question is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did this guy get a job?

  367. Bad starters for PKD. Try these. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would not start with the Valis trilogy (the three books mentioned above which are essentially the same story) if introducing someone ot PKD. Start with the good fiction and then work your way down to his more personal, experimental, and tougher to read books.

    Try:

    A Scanner Darkly: Still relevant (if not more so in today's surveillance culture) criticism of the war on drugs, exploration of drug culture, and paranoia/conspiracy. Great character work. *if you can only read one PKD story do this one or Man in the High Castle.

    Bladerunner (that's the title they sell it under now, I know): Okay, you've seen the movie, but the book has very little to do with the movie except with setting, a little plot, and character names. Excellent PKD exploration on human vs non-human and moral ambiguity.

    Ubik: excellent work of sci-fi. Touches heavily upon PKD's "kipple" theme.

    The Man in the High Castle: one of the first, if not the first "elsewhere" story. Superb in many ways.

    Eye in the Sky: Ubik-like mindbender.

    Solar Lottery: No one ever recommends this because its so unlike PKD (first published novel I believe) but its a great short read and you can pick up on some future themes PKD explores later on.

    1. Re:Bad starters for PKD. Try these. by squarefish · · Score: 1

      Personally I don't think it's a bad intro to dick- they were the first dick books I had ever read when I was about 21 and I got completely sucked into them.

      I've read a hell of a lot more of his stuff since, but I still go back and reread the valis trilogy every few years.

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      Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
    2. Re:Bad starters for PKD. Try these. by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said!!!

      That book is the shiznit. I can only read Valis when very baked. Then, that book just seems to make a whole lot of sense. But "Flow My Tears" is almost as good as "A Scanner Darkly."

    3. Re:Bad starters for PKD. Try these. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I believe the novella is still sold as _Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep_. The film was *so* different, that if you find a novel called _BLadeRunner_, it's most likely to be K.W.Jeter's novelisation of the film. Jeter also wrote two sequels whose names, mercifully, escape me.

      Which is not as silly as it sounds - Jeter was one of PKDs disciples, and a pretty good writer in his own right.

      sol.
      .

  368. My SF/F/H Recommended Reading List by Nova+Express · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lawrence Person's Recommended Reading List
    Novels
    Rats & Gargoyles - Mary Gentle
    The Werewolves of London - Brian Stableford
    The Exorcist - William Peter Blatty
    The Lord of the Rings - J. R. R. Tolkein
    Dune - Frank Herbert
    1984 - George Orwell
    The Chronicles of Amber (Original Five) - Roger Zelazny
    Neuromancer - William Gibson
    The Long Walk - Stephen King
    The Vampire Lestat - Anne Rice
    Salem's Lot - Stephen King
    Phases of Gravity - Dan Simmons
    The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
    The Book of the Long Sun - Gene Wolfe
    Blood Music - Greg Bear
    Eon - Greg Bear
    IT - Stephen King
    The Glass Hammer - K.W. Jeter
    Moving Mars - Greg Bear
    Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion - Dan Simmons
    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
    Bridge of Birds, The Story of the Stone, Eight Skilled Gentlemen - Barry Hughart
    The Time Ships - Stephen Baxter
    Weaveworld - Clive Barker
    Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle
    The Hereafter Gang - Neal Barrett Jr.
    Stand on Zanzibar - John Brunner
    Permutation City - Greg Egan
    The Light at the End - John Skipp & Craig Spector
    Crucifax Autumn - Ray Garton
    A Fire Upon the Deep - Vernor Vinge
    The Sheep Look Up - John Brunner
    The Child Garden - Geoff Ryman
    Carrion Comfort - Dan Simmons
    The Bridge - Iain Banks
    Perdido Street Station - China Mieville
    Evolution's Shore (a.k.a. Chaga) - Ian McDonald
    The Stone Canal - Ken MacLeod
    A Deepness in the Sky - Vernor Vinge
    Holy Fire - Bruce Sterling
    Geek Love - Katherine Dunn
    Terminal Cafe (a.k.a. Necroville) - Ian McDonald
    The Sparrow - Mary Doria Russell
    The Night Watch - Sean Stewart
    Nifft the Lean - Michael Shea
    Summer of Night - Dan Simmons
    Fevre Dream - George R. R. Martin
    The Magic Wagon - Joe R. Lansdale
    Mona Lisa Overdrive - William Gibson
    The Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe
    Perfume - Patrick Süskind
    The Difference Engine - William Gibson & Bruce Sterling
    Synners - Pat Cadigan
    The Xenogenesis Trilogy - Octavia Butler
    Lord of the Hollow Dark - Russell Kirk
    The Anubis Gates - Tim Powers
    Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny
    Last Call - Tim Powers
    Door Number Three - Patrick O'Leary
    The Paratawa Trilogy - Christopher Hinz
    Declare - Tim Powers
    Metropolitan, City on Fire - Walter Jon Williams
    The Paper Grail - James P. Blaylock
    The Foundation Trilogy - Isaac Asimov
    Firelord - Parke Godwin
    The Shaft - David J. Schow
    Empire of the East - Fred Saberhagen

    --
    Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)

    http://www.lawrenceperson.com/

  369. Jasper Fforde... by johndiii · · Score: 1

    The Eyre Affair and Lost in a Good Book. Definitely alternate history, as well as being whimsical and very funny.

    --
    Floating face-down in a river of regret...and thoughts of you...
  370. Ishmael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    link ...by Daniel Quinn - no other book changed my life and perspective on it. Seriously amazing and unbelievable.

  371. The next Slashdot story will be ready soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, I am SO excited! Let's hope it is not SCO related again! Or a DUPE! A.C.

  372. Short Story Recommendations?? by cerebrum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about a book for short stories? Some of us don't have that much time ...

  373. If you're bored of the usual by Asahi+Super+Dry · · Score: 1

    I used to read pretty much nothing but sf/fantasy, but my tastes have since diversified. Here are some things you might enjoy:

    Raymond Chandler - Any of the Marlowe novels, particulary The Big Sleep and The Long Goodbye. If you like William Gibson's stripped-down prose style, here's where he probably got it.

    David Foster Wallace - Infinite Jest. Those of you who find Stephenson's digressive technique entertaining should check this out.

    Michael Swanwick - The Iron Dragon's Daughter. A hybrid of sf and fantasy that could be considered steampunk. Whatever it is, it's brilliant.

    China Mieville - Perdido Street Station and The Scar. More "Steampunk." Perilously close to genius.

    George R. R. Martin - A Game of Thrones. First book in a series of epic fantasy by a writer who gets a lot more mileage out of his Rs than that other guy.

    Nonfiction:

    Howard Zinn - A People's History of the United States. Sure he's a commie. Sure you won't agree with half of what he says. But you won't look at US history quite the same way again.

    Douglas Hofstadter - Godel, Escher, Bach. If you've been feeling intellectually lazy, here's the equivalent of a membership at the Y.

    David Cook - Robot Building for Beginners. Looking for a new hobby? You could do worse than start here.

  374. Some recommendations by Sushi_K · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are some just off the top of my head
    Stranger in a Strange Land
    Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (book Bladerunner was based off of) by Philip K. Dick
    Beggars in Spain by Nancy Kress
    Brave New World by Aldus Huxley
    1984 by George Orwell
    I, Robot by Isaac Asimov
    All of those except for possibly Beggars in Spain should be required reading for any sci-fi/geek book lover.
    If you're willing to look beyond the geek areas my highest recommended book would be On The Road by Jack Keroac. I've read it 5 times and I'm sure I'll read it at least as many more.

  375. The Canterbury Tales by segfaultdot · · Score: 1

    Why not give the Chaucer's masterpiece a try? It's huge, and it's in middle english, so instead of starting out, "When April, with his sweet showers," it begins, "Whan that Apryll, with his shoures soote..." It's a fun challenge.
    No, I haven't read the whole thing, really only the first part of the prologue. I had to memorize the first paragraph of the prologue way back in high school and I've greatly enjoyed having it swimming around in my brain, and occasionally reciting it at work to freak out my colleagues.

  376. Books by geoffybiggins · · Score: 1

    Enders Game - Orson Scott Card (plus sequels etc)
    Nightsdawn Trilogy and prequels - Peter F Hamilton
    Ian M Banks (any and all)
    Asimov
    Gibson
    Sterling
    Lion of Macedon - Brian Gemmel (sp?)
    Perfume
    Womack
    Niven/Pournell

    to busy to keep going...

  377. Getting in on this topic a little late... by jat850 · · Score: 2, Informative

    but I'd still recommend "The Dark Tower" series by Stephen King. I'm just finishing "Wizard and Glass" (book 4), and I'm already looking forward to the 5th book which comes out in November. Definitely not a "tech" series but very good nonetheless. The Dark Tower theme and some characters also pops up in other books by King, so it makes for an interesting read.

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    the blood has stopped pumping, and he's left to decay
    the me that you know is now made up of wires
  378. Titan. Wizard. Demon. by Adair · · Score: 1

    Ok, so they're not geek-hacker books, but they are sci-fi. Judging by the fact that I agree with 80% or so of the recommendations I've seen thus far I figured I'd thrown in my 2c. I read this trilogy when I was a teenager and I've re-read them at least twice since they. Still a good read. Three books by John Varley: Titan, Wizard, and Demon. Enjoy.

  379. what should I do with YOUR life? by icantremember · · Score: 1

    a suggestion...
    don't read ANOTHER sci-fi book...
    read What Should I Do With My Life?, by Po Bronson...
    NO, it doesnt GIVE you the answer...
    YES, you will quit that full-time job...

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  380. Book by sylentprofet · · Score: 1

    Anything by William Gibson or Robert J. Sawyer... the latter being my favorite of all time. I recommend Flashforward, and anything from the Hominids Trilogy.. Well, its only a deuce now, but the third will be out shortly.

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  381. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by Osty · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, if you want a good fantasy series, take a look at George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" (starts with _A Game of Thrones_). Another multivolume, incomplete series, but he promises only 6 books, so maybe it'll work out.

    Then again, Martin started out aiming for a trilogy and missed it. "Song of Ice and Fire" is his largest work (mostly just editting collections, mostly), and we'll see if it pans out. I'm hooked on it though, and will certainly be buying the next in the series this fall.


    I also just recently read Neil Gaiman's _Neverwhere_, a dark-comedy urban fantasy (how's that for a sub-sub-genere?), which is excellent.

    I liked Gaiman's "American Gods" quite a bit more than "Neverwhere". "Neverwhere" was good, but it just didn't grab me. If you like Gaiman, you might want to check out some Sandman graphic novels.


    And just to add another author to the list, I really liked Mary Gentle's "Book of Ash" series. It's an alternate-reality history set in the late middle ages. And just for a lark, her book "Grunts!" was hilarious. Sci-fi comedy with a military twist (imagine orcs as marines, and you'll have a good idea of the book).


  382. The Hitchkiker's Guide to the Galaxy by perspex · · Score: 1

    by Douglas Adams.

  383. New and Terribly Unappreciated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't say I have any disagreements with any of the above suggestions (er, literary suggestions, anyways). My personal favorites are Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, Dragonlance Chronicles (I plan on rereading all three this summer), Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, all that good stuff. One book I haven't seen mentioned and am apalled hasn't been discovered by man is WYRM, by Mark Fabi. This book as it all: hackers, viruses, actual development people, Monty Python references, LotR references, D&D references, Armageddon and Doomsday motif...it'll keep you riveted. I've read it twice and infected every person I've met with the love of this book with just a page. It's even got fascinating psychology, technology (does neural shunt gaming mean anything?) and real puzzles to solve! At one point our intrepid adventurers need to solve a crossword puzzle, and it's a real puzzle printed in the book with the solution in the back. Oh, that reminds me, I forgot about the obscure-yet-nifty scientific mindbending principles references (like Schroedinger's cat) and Alice in Wonderland (like the Cheshire cat...incidently, all balled into one.) Just forgive it the play into the Y2K bug - yeah, it's a couple years old. It's actually incredibly well-done despite that. Read it! I implore you! And all of the rest of you, too.

  384. how bout michael chabon by vehod · · Score: 1

    hes one of my all time favs, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay is one of the best books i've ever read. especially satisfying if your a comic book fan =)

  385. A few suggestions... by Rheingold · · Score: 1

    Hoffstadter's Goedel, Escher, Bach. Might be too difficult if you're just getting through high school, but definitely recommended.

    Not sci-fi-hacker-geek, but I very much have enjoyed John Mortimer's Rumpole stories. Start at the first omnibus, read through the first book in third omnibus, read Rumpole on Trial, and then finish the third omnibus. There's an odd discontinuity, in that Rumpole on Trial seemed to have been intended as the second book of the third omnibus, but isn't. Also, P. G. Wodehouse's Wooster & Jeeves books are great.

    I also recommend Hemmingway, Maugham, and Menken. The first two are easiest to get into if you start off with the short stories.

    While you've got free time, Bertrand Russell's softer philosophical works, such as Why I Am Not A Christian, Marriage and Morals, and The Scientific Outlook are also well worth the time, and are a good deal more accessible than his more difficult philosophical or mathematics works. Of course, the classics, like Dracula and Frankenstein are great.

    Hm, I guess I don't really read much sci-fi any more, although the occasional horror story, like those by Lovecraft, Damon Knight, or Robert Block catches my attention. I also enjoyed Eight Fantasms and Magics by Jack Vance, which I guess is sorta sci-fi/fantasy. (Try to find an edition with the crazy psychedelic dust jacket,if you can find it all.)

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    Wil
    wiki
  386. Humorous Scifi and Fantasy by Ballresin · · Score: 1

    I went through some of two particular author's works, and I laughed my ass off a lot of the time.

    Robert Lynn Asprin- The M.Y.T.H. Inc. series of books never let me stop, I was bawling at points, which is kind of embarrasing in study hall. Can't find the last book in the series....Sweet M.Y.T.H.teries of Life.

    Piers Anthony- The Xanth series of books has lots of humor mixed in a very entertaining large series (about 30-40 books right now). I really enjoyed his Tyrant series. And last but not least, the weird ass book of short stories called the Anthology or Anthanology or somesuch.
    Also, the Photon and Phase series was awesome, still want to read the last book.

    I remember reading a book about a Darksword. May be the Darksword series...but I don't recall. Loved that too.

    Also, surprisingly enough, is the Left Behind series. I was shocked to learn that I liked that series, but I loved it. I was forced to read the first in school, and finished the first 7 in the series in 2 months. Just polished off the 8th that just came out in a weekend.

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    I got nothin'.
  387. Short answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here is a book I'm working on now...I'm still about 1,100 pages from knowing if it will deliver the goods: A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram No.

  388. Screw SF: Read Historical Fiction by purduephotog · · Score: 1

    Having read most of the books mentioned ad naseum so far, may I recommend a few more intersting reads?
    Gates of Fire: An Epic Novel of the Battle of Thermopylae - A story of the historic battle to the death where a force of 300 delayed an attack of 100.000 enemy
    Under the Eagle: A Tale of Military Adventure and Reckless Heroism with the Roman Legions
    The last one I can't remember other than having Priscus and Sicarious and a Roman emperor's attempt to restore the old gods over Christianity. Don't limit yourself to SciFi- as big as a fan of it that I am it still repeats the same themes over and over and over... try reading some of the past- just as interesting and based in reality ;)

  389. About Robert Jordan by bluprint · · Score: 1

    You have to be into long character and plot/multiplot development to enjoy his books. There are certainly times where it gets slow, but it's worth reading in the end. I got some of the same feeling from the first part of the LotR series (but then, I was in the 8th grade...). It was slow in the beggining, and a chore to read, but it picked up and was worth it.

    For people who want a quick 2-hour story (ala a movie), this is NOT a series to read.

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    A modern day witchhunt.
  390. Station X by bobstaff · · Score: 1

    Personally I've just read and enjoyed Station X by Michael Smith, about how Alan Turing (among many others) broke Enigma. A fascinating read with alot of insight into the circumstances under which many of the early steps in computing were taken.

  391. Absolute Essentials by Inexile2002 · · Score: 1

    The Adolescence of P1, Thomas Ryan
    The Cuckoo's Egg: Tracking a Spy Through the Maze of Computer Espionage, Clifford Stoll
    The Ambidextrous Universe: Left, Right and the Fall of Parity, Martin Gardner
    Dragon's Egg, Robert Forward
    Slaughterhouse Five, Kurt Vonnegut.

    If you haven't read these books, you should.

  392. Apes 3:14 or some such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The First Ape was alone and scared in the dark and chewed on a sick until it had a point and stuck it in the closest body, which happened to be another Ape. This gave him comfort.

  393. Military SF by Wingie · · Score: 1

    I'm currently reading Walter Hunt's The Dark Wing. He's a relatively new author (it's his first book) and I haven't been sleeping much.

  394. some of my favorites ... by monique · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Worthing Saga by Orson Scott Card -- technically sci fi, it's really about the author's exploration of human nature: What makes us human? What makes a person great? People go on about Ender's Game, and it's pretty good, but I think the story of Jason Worthing goes much deeper.

    Trader by Charles de Lint -- A story about waking up in a stranger's body sounds a bit cheesy, but this one sucked me in with its exploration of identity and personality. The ending wasn't the predictable warm, fuzzy, everything's okay type, either.

    Cry to Heaven and Feast of All Saints by Anne Rice, both historical fiction with no vampires or magic whatsoever. She does a wonderful job of bringing these places and times to life.

    Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson -- just incredibly engaging. The book is huge, but it's a page-turner from start to finish. Actually, I haven't read anything by Neal Stephenson or Steven Bury (an alternate pen name) that I haven't adored.

    The Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy by Tad Williams (Dragonbone Chair, Stone of Farewell, and To Green Angel Tower). Epic, beautifully written coming of age story set within the context of a compelling war between good and evil. The characters really come alive.

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    -monique
  395. I can't read, you insensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope I haven't been beaten to it.

  396. The Cuckoo's Egg rocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's quite informative and very entertaining. This should be mandatory reading for all System Administrators.

  397. Slow reader ? by blackpaw · · Score: 1

    If you it takes you a summer to read a book (rather than a couple of nights) - you need to go back to school ...

  398. Not at all a geek book, but a very good read by emc · · Score: 1

    "On The Road", by Jack Kerouac.

    It will change your life, or at least the way you look at it.

    Seriously, an incredible read. IMHO, up near "Catcher in the Rye".

  399. My favorite SF books by kavau · · Score: 1
    Frank Herbert: Dune

    It's amazing how Frank Herbert managed to create such a strange and yet coherent world. The first book is one of my all-time favorites. The sequels are a hard read, but still very interesting.

    Arthur C. Clarke: Rendezvous with Rama

    Must-read for all fans of hard Science Fiction. Clarke writes as if he was among the crew that encountered a giant, seemingly deserted, alien spaceship. His attention to scientific details, and his witty humor make this a fascinating read. The sequels (co-authored with Gentry Lee) are written in a different style, much more character-based, and some people seem not to like them very much (I personally think they're brilliant).

    Robert A. Heinlein: Stranger in a Strange Land

    The book's language is a bit outdated, but it's still a brilliant and oftentimes hilarious book. The story is about an earthling raised by martians, who is now returning to earth.

    Douglas Adams: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    Simply one of the most hilarious books ever written. Be prepared to ROTFLYAO while reading it.

    Arthur C. Clarke: Childhood's End

    Besides Rama my favorite Arthur C. Clarke book.

    Larry Niven: Ringworld

    I'm reading it right now, and I'm halfway through. Niven writes like a cross between Arthur C. Clarke and Douglas Adams. Very entertaining read.

    Prize question: Which book is my signature taken from?

  400. Required Slashdot reading list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Bill Gates: Portrait of Evil
    2) New Guide to learning Hindi
    3) Linus Torvalds: Savior of the Multiverse
    4) How Things Work In Soviet Russia
    5) Why employers are evil, and why I still insist of working for them
    6) The Theory of How to Date Women
    7) Physical Exercise: Tips On How To Avoid It
    8) How To Get Used To Bathing
    9) Hottest IT Jobs/Trends In India
    10) The Essential Goat.sx Reference
    11) Creating Beowulf Clusters From Anything

    1. Re:Required Slashdot reading list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 funny

    2. Re:Required Slashdot reading list. by xaaronx · · Score: 1

      Or, you could have put some thought into it and come up with a real list of books people here read. That could potentially have been funny and you could still have relied on the stupid /.er caricature we're all bored of. And if you logged in when you did it, you could even have scored some cheap karma.

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      It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. - Robert Anson Heinlein
    3. Re:Required Slashdot reading list. by chad_r · · Score: 3, Funny

      12) ???
      13) Secrets to Maximizing your Profit

    4. Re:Required Slashdot reading list. by BethLogic · · Score: 1

      To help you get prepared for entering the work force perhaps you should check out the Dilbert books on business. There 5 of them by Scott Adams that will give you valuable insight for your new job. And they cover items 5-8 above.

    5. Re:Required Slashdot reading list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely Dilbert cartoons are best appreciated *AFTER* working in an office for at least a few months, preferably decades. Otherwise th humour will largely be lost.

  401. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by Corporal+Dan · · Score: 1

    Excellent choice there with the Amber series. I generally don't like SciFi/Fantasy but I enjoyed the decalogy (ya, count 'em, ten) enough to actually buy it.

  402. lucky wander boy by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

    Forget all the other stale suggestions. The best book I've read recently is "lucky wander boy" by d. b. weiss. Not easily summarised but the protagonist emabarks on a project of critical analysis of classic arcade video games in order to bring more focus to his disconnected existence. There is some clever writing and observations that arise quite naturally from the material. The fictitious arcade game "Lucky Wander Boy" and its pursuit become the driving force of the narrative.

  403. Jeff Noon by mnewton32 · · Score: 1

    Jeff Noon's books (the ones I've read) are pretty good sci-fi, try Pollen and Vurt. And, as others have suggested, if you're looking for "scifi-geek-hacker", read Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. How many novels have you read with Perl scripts in them?

  404. Necronomicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Necronomicon by Abdul Alzahred

  405. The Risen Empire by spludge · · Score: 1
    I am a fan of the cyberpunk genre in general and enjoyed the Gibson books too.

    Somewhat along those lines I would highly reccomend "The Risen Empire" by Scott Westerfield. It is not cyberpunk directly, it is sci-fi, but with some very cool technologies and gadgets :) He has some really interesting ideas for nanotechnolgy. Check it out: The Risen Empire

  406. anything by Crichton by dh003i · · Score: 1

    makes for an entertaining read. Try his most recent one, "Prey". "Timeline" is also good.

  407. Stephen Lawhead by Corporal+Dan · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if anyone's heard of him but Stephen Lawhead is absolutely amazing. Check out the series that starts with "The Paradise War." Great writing style.

  408. Over the Rainbow by pikayou · · Score: 1

    I recommend Gravity's Rainbow...tough, but it'll knock you down.

  409. this perfect day by gumtu · · Score: 1

    "this perfect day" is a little-known sci-fi written by ira levin (who also wrote "rosemary's baby" and "boys from brazil" among others). it's about a future where the world is run by a (supposedly) omnipotent computer. it's more intelligently written than others with this same plot line. it's got tech, suspense, and a statement about the human condition.

  410. Good Sci-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the four books in this series and really loved them. Look up Otherland written by Tad Williams. They're really kewl sci-fi books set in the future with a 3D virtual environment, and the book takes place in both the 3d world and the real word. Great read, I know you'll love it.

  411. Non-techie reads by Corporal+Dan · · Score: 1

    Best non-techie reads (ie. on my bookshelf right now):
    Robert Ludlum - Bourne Identity
    James Clavell - Shogun
    John Grisham - Client and Runaway Jury
    Dick Francis - absolutely anything
    Richard Adams - Watership Down
    William Golding - Lord of the Flies
    Joseph Heller - Catch 22

    1. Re:Non-techie reads by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 1

      But if you really really liked the Bourne Identity Movie, don't read the book. You'll walk away feeling really dissapointed (by the movie, the book is awesome).

      I the director's commentary the guy says "Basically, the only thing I borrowed from the book was the premise" (secret agent with amenisa getting plucked out of the ocean with two bullets and a bank account number embedded in his skin).

      Other than that, there's pretty much no similarity whatsoever to the book.

  412. My Jim Rome take by WindowsTroll · · Score: 1

    Binaryhead graduates college, but doesn't know how to decide on a book to read. If he is indicative of his generation, the future looks bleak.

    For all you who think that LoTR is too hard, I suspect that you find reading any literature difficult. Tolstoy, Joyce, James - sorry, they are just too tough. You might as well forget Milton or Shakespeare since they don't speak "American" and "they talk kind of funny".

    LoTR is to be read slowly. The literary style extends the imagery of the world that Tolkein created. You are meant to read it slow and savor the words - much like sipping a fine cognac. Of course, this is too much to expect from today's attention span deficient generation that wants nothing other than instant gratification.

    Ender's Game is a good story, but as one poster mentioned, "Enders Game is the best. I got it [sic] and read it in one weekend". If you don't see the tragedy of this statement, you will probably think that Ender's Game is a great feat of writing. Go find yourself a good air flight read such as Crichton or Grisham - you should be able to finish all of their books in just a few hours.

    Forgotten Realms books are written for prepubescent boys seeking escapism from their dull lives. If you are still reading these after the age of 15, there is something wrong with you.

    Frank Herbert's books - they might be readable if he didn't try to make the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Rather annoying, isn't it?

    Kudos to the very few of you who suggested Irving, Falkner, Maugham, Twain, Pynchon, Nabakov, Dickens and Dostoevsky. You are in the definite minority.

    To all of you who lamented about how boring stories were when you read them in high school, now that you are a few years older, go back and reread them. Hopefully you will realize why you were required to read them in the first place. If not, you are a clod.

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    My suggestions:

    Joseph Campbell and Shakespeare. After you read Campbell, you will realize that every hero and villian found in science fiction and fantasy is just a rehash of the same mythos that humans have been telling for thousands of years. In regards to Shakespeare, there have been few new plot devices introduced since the bard penned his plays. Almost all books, movies and plays are derivative of Shakespeare's work.

    If you are familiar with Russian history, Bolshevism, Marxism, Existentialism, Catholicism and Christian Theology, then I suggest "The Brother's Karamozov" by Dostoevsky. It isn't an easy read and you won't finish it in a week, but it is well worth the time.

    Interested in expanding your vocabulary - pick up any book by William F. Buckley Jr.

    Want to remain a geek and broaden your horizons? Read Ursula Le Guin or Joan Slonczewski who write Sci-fi from a feminist perspective.

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    "Microsoft has made computing accessible to a population who would otherwise not be able to use computers" - B. Kernigha
  413. Orson Scott Card Short Stories by endersdad · · Score: 1

    OSC has published many books of short stories

    Flux
    Maps in a Mirror
    Cruel Miracles
    Monkey Sonatas
    The (C)Hanged Man
    Lost Songs

    Five of these books have been compiled into a hard cover version of Maps in a Mirror
    These stories are highly though provoking and worth the read.

  414. http://ask.slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userclos by teknokracy · · Score: 1

    Cryptonomicon is incredible. Stephenson again. A step above Snow Crash

  415. Masters of Deception by Tap` · · Score: 1

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060 926945/002-5205035-2054449?v=glance&s=books

    Great book about /hacking/ back in the day. Not sci-fi but still a good read.

  416. whew by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but definitely check out books by Gene Wolfe. Namely, Shadow & Claw and Sword & Citadel. Oh, and Urth of the New Sun too.

  417. Some non Sci-fi options... by Normalpathic · · Score: 1

    ...do exist in the local book store or library, just in case you've already read all of the other quality sci-fi suggestions.

    If you are looking for something really humorous and you aren't thin-skinned when it comes to religious matters, try "Lamb: The Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal" by Christopher Moore. It provides answers to classic questions such as, "what if Jesus learned kung fu?"

    If you're looking for a more serious read and happen to like southern literature, go with Robert Penn Warren's "All the King's Men." It's extremely well written and very powerful.

    Rather read something to ensure your personal paranoia when dealing with government officials and others in power? "The Trial"...Kafka.

    Or, if you'd rather just sit around and laugh until mucus shoots out your nose: "Pure Drivel", by Steve Martin.

    Enjoy!

  418. Satire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read some of Horace's Satires. It's still relevant, and if you don't read Latin, there are many excellent translations out there. They're witty, funny, and have a lot of truth to them.

  419. Larry Niven.... by Jester99 · · Score: 1

    Is my all-time favorite sci-fi writer.

    Specifically, Ringworld and The Ringworld Engineers.

    Asimov and the Foundation series is another timeless classic...

  420. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by James+Lewis · · Score: 1

    I agree with this post completely. Caves of Steel is not to be missed, and should be read before Naked Sun. Mod this guy up!

  421. american gods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    american gods didn't cover anything that wasn't hit on in shaggy gods.

  422. Grendel by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    Try Grendel. It's the first part of the saga of Beowulf told from Grendel's point of view. Excellent writing, fantastic character, depressing ending.

    Max

    --
    My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
  423. Wow, good recommendations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Although, I've only read about half of the books on your list, I wholeheartily agree with you and would like to recommend the following:

    Spider Robinson: "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon" series, "Lady Sally" series, "The Free Lunch", "Stardance" series. Spider's work is usually humorous and chock full of humanity. If you've been reading Slashdot lately, you've probably seen his "Melancoly Elephants" short story in regards to governmental copyright abuse.

    Harlan Ellison: Pick up any collection of his short stories or his non-fiction essays. Ellison's stuff is not always Science Fiction, in fact Harlan venomously argues that his stories are not Science Fiction at all. Most of his work is about the injustice in life and the angry backlash it engenders. Some recommended short stories: "Paingod", "All the birds come home to roost", "Repent Harlaquin, said the Tick-Tock man", "A Boy and His Dog", "Flop Sweat". If you are an old skool Star Trek Fan, you're probably familiar with "City on the Edge of the World", which was originally written by Ellison (and ghost hacked by the Paramount studio writers of the 1960's).

    Steve Miller and Sharon Lee: Their Liadan Universe stories are some of the most entertaining Space Operas I have ever read. The cultural backdrop for these stories is as complex and complete as anything I have seen. Their work is somewhat comparable to Lois McMaster Bujold's "Miles Voroskaven" series (which I also recommend).

    Robert Sawyer: "Illegal Alien", "Hominids" and "Humans", "Factoring Humanity", "Flashforward", "Terminal Experiment" and "Calculating God" are recommended books.

    Theodore Sturgeon: Most of Sturgeon's work is good, but "More Than Human", "Microcosmic God", "Born of Man and Woman" and my guilty pleasure favorite "Killdozer!" are
    recommended (the made for TV movie of "Killdozer!" is a B-movie classic!).

    Murray Leinster: "A Logic Named Joe" is worth tracking down. Written in 1946 it describes the modern internet in eerie accuracy.

    H.P. Lovecraft: No spaceships here, but plenty of alien inteligences and fantastic settings. Lovecraft's work is more properly Horror or Fantasy. Recommended works: "The Dunwitch Horror", "Colour out of Space", "Cool Air", "Pickman's Model", "The Shadow over Innsmouth", and of course "The Call of Cthulhu".

    Issac Asimov: "Nine Tommorrows" and "I, Robot" are great collections of Asimov's short story genius, while the "Foundation" trilogy is a fine example of Asimov's novel chops.

    Ray Bradbury: "The Martian Cronicles" is a great collection of stories. And there is his dystopian classic "Fahrenheit 451".

    Neville Shute: "On the Beach": A fine story about what happens after the nuclear war. Don't read it if you like happy endings.

    Hal Clement: "Mission of Gravity": Cool story from the King of Hard-Science Fiction.

    Kim Stanley Robinson: "Red|Blue|Green Mars" is a great trilogy about terraforming Mars.

    Joe Haldeman: "The Forever War" is a great novel about the disgusting futility of war.

    Frank Herbert: "The White Plague" and "The Heisenburg Experiment" are cool books about genetic expermentation and of course there's his "Dune" series.

    Eric Flint: "1632" is one of my favority alternate history books -- not exactly science fiction, but an entertaining read. Also Flint's "Belesarius" series is a good read. Other recommended authors of military Science Fiction are David Drake and Steve Weber. "The Warmasters" is a good intro to all three of these authors, featuring short stories from their most famous settings.

    H.P. Wells: Wells' works are so good, they've become part of the human collective conciousness: "The Invisible Man", "War of the Worlds", "The Time Machine". Throw in Robert Louis Stevenson's "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" and Jules Verne's "10,000 Leagues under the Sea" to round out your old skool Science Fiction collection

    Neil Stephenson: Almost all of his books are awesome. "Z

  424. Douglas Adams... by bigmaddog · · Score: 1

    I've seen a few poorly moderated posts recommending Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy." I'm not sure why it's not worthy of a few points of praise - it's a truly awesome trilogy in five parts, but perhaps it's so well known that recommending it is moot. Not that most of the other, well rated recommendations aren't well known classics either, but to each his own.

    Anyway, if you've already read and/or are tired of hearing about the "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy," I highly recommend Mr. Adams' unrelated yet equally (actually more so, IMHO) amusing "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" and "Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul." The only problem with these books is that they're so damn short you can finish one off in a day or two if you put your mind to it.

    Some other books sitting on my shelf that I enjoyed reading:
    - "Nemesis" by Isaac Asimov
    - "If Chins Could Kill" by the great Bruce Campbell
    - Anything by Charles Dickens is good, though "A Tale Of Two Cities" is my personal favourite - this man is a master of l33t verbiage, and as a bonus his books cost next to nothing because no one has collected any royalties on them in centuries.
    - "The Iliad" by Homer, one of Humanity's earliest great classics, was surprisingly good. The other well known ancient epic, Virgil's "Aeneid," turned out to be so much Daikatana; +700 years after Homer, Virgil took what Homer had done, added some of his good ideas and tired to do better, but in fact did worse (IMHO).
    - Calculus 3rd Edition... err, wait...

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    Even as you read this, your pants are strangling your loins! Aaa!

  425. Re:Piers Anthony sucks--and here's why by writertype · · Score: 1
    Er, no. The first couple of books are, then maybe the third and fourth are worth a chuckle, but BY GOD, HE JUST WON'T STOP WRITING THEM!

    He's up to about 26 right now and the last few seem to be out of print on the Amazon site. I assume that's because they suck. Proof: this quote from the Amazon.com page on Yon Ill Wind, the 19th in the series:

    "Anthony incorporated about 150 suggestions from fans in Roc and a Hard Place (1995); he uses and credits another 100 here, including two major premises."

    The guy couldn't even care enough to come up with his own plots! He was a contractor, for pete's sake! He's even got his books planned out, by month, on his web site! And he's got an erotic fantasy novel due out this year called (and I'm not making this up, check the site) "The Magic Fart"!!!

    I rest my case.

  426. So many choices by po8 · · Score: 1

    A couple of things I might add that haven't been mentioned so far, I think:

    • Norstrilia and/or the collected short stories of Cordwainer Smith (Henry Linebarger). This is an amazing writer whose stories are literally 50 years ahead of their time in so many ways. His Alpha Ralpha Boulevard has been anthologized about a bajillion times, yet most folks don't seem to have heard of him.
    • The Illuminatus! Trilogy of Robert Anton Wilson. Very juvenile, silly stuff, but there's nothing quite like it out there, and it's definitely a geek read.
    • The Cyberiad. Stanislaw Lem's greatest work IMHO.
    There's plenty of more room, of course. If you haven't read Hofstadter's classic Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid, for example, you simply must. But I think we've given enough to get started on :-).
  427. Not sci-fi by batura · · Score: 1

    Well, this book isn't sci-fi, but it made a facinating read.
    Trainspotting by Irving Welch.

    I just picked up the sequel, Porno today, and I can't wait for school to let up so I can get into it.

  428. Re:Jack Womack, Jeff Noon,Dick, Wilson, Brautigan by dTaylorSingletary · · Score: 2, Informative

    Must iterate in compliment to the Jack Womack. I started with Random Acts of Senseless Violence and was blown away by the slow gradual language virus development; it was as if Burroughs' word virus ideas were put into beautiful action. Elvissey, about an alternate time slippage in the 50s whereas agents from the future discover "Elvis Presley," who is actually his infantly dead twin brother. Written terribly well.

    And then there is Jeff Noon, another Brit. His world and writing has become quite good, though often he is round on the edges, but the language angles are always challenging and inventive. Vurt will soon be made into a movie, and it's about wonderful trip drugs encoded on feathers, allowing a /vurt/ual world of gaming and archetypal interference. Complicated and well-encoded. Also highly recommend Nymphomation, and Pixel Juice. The Cobralingus is great for anyone interested in systems processes on language.

    And then the usual suspect Philip K. Dick. A Scanner Darkly, Valis, The Man in the High Castle, and Confessions of a Crap Artist are tremendous, as are most of his 60s-70s work.

    Robert Anton Wilson tends to run well with a lot of geeks. The Illuminatus presents a wonderful summerful of reading, as well as following up with Scrodinger's Cat. Will make the mind melt for a good amount of time. His other books like Quantum Psychology, Prometheus Rising, and Reality Is What You Can Get Away With are also great reads.

    And then there is my favorite author, who makes summertime and anytime worth considering and thinking about, Richard Brautigan. Take a nice summer day to read In Watermelon Sugar and watch a new reality unfold before your brain and come out with a unspecific new way of thinking about things, in a way perhaps beyond what one commonly percieves as thinking.

    Great summertime music to listen to include the illustrious, instrumental Tortoise's TNT. Always sweetens the days and compliments and reading and writing and general life living.

    d. Taylor Singletary
    reality technician.

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  429. DO NOT READ THIS BOOK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a decalogy, and I was looking for a nice space opera epic so I gave the first book a read. It seems like the whole 10 book series is even material for one (thin) novel. So the first (fat) book is pure agony.

    It's entirely about the main character packing for a trip. That's it. It's completely linear too, only narrative from the one character.

    It makes me ill remembering.

  430. philosophical fantasy by boatboy · · Score: 1

    While they're not strictly geek-fiction, I think the C.S. Lewis Space Trilogy is a fine, thought-provoking read somewhere near that genre.

  431. Wright, Barab�si and Pelligrino w/ Zebrowski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These will set you up and knock you down:

    Non-Zero Sum / Robert Wright

    The New Science of Networks / Albert-László Barabási

    The Killing Star / Charles Pellegrino/George Zebrowski

    Everything you need to know. It's a big universe out there.... You'll remember reading these books.

  432. Re:Short Story Recommendations?? (try updike) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry I have to post this anon, but I've already used up 3 mod points on this story. Anyway, I'd highly recommend John Updike's short story collections. Not particularly geeky, but he's a damn good writer.

    BTW, maybe it's just me, but if you don't have time to read novels, then you might want to spend some time reprioritizing ;)

    --IndependentVik

  433. Are you slow? by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    I read Cryptonomicon in three days, you need a month to read Kevin's thin tome?

  434. A Good Summer Read? by sixtysevenfordpu · · Score: 1

    Another to consider is "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll

  435. White Plague by BFedRec · · Score: 1

    It's an oft overlooked book by Frank Herbert of Dune fame, but it's got what I felt was a fascinating plot, and some great psychological stuff going on with the characters. I just finished re-reading it and posted a review on one of my project sites for readers/writers.
    http://wordtrip.com/phpBB2/viewt opic.php?t=66
    You may have a tough time finding the book, but if you do I think you'll enjoy it. It's especially interesting I think to look at what he was writing back in the 80s about subjects that are still hot topics today, genetics and DNA manipulation, and biological weapons.

    Charles P

    1. Re:White Plague by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      The White Plague was quite good. Actually quite relevant in these days of terrorism and biological warfare.

      Also often overlooked are Herbert's Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment (read in that order), both featuring one Jorj X. McKie, saboteur extraordinaire, as the protagonist. Fascinating premises for both novels, and excellent execution.

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  436. carnegie by dollargonzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i must say, even though some of the scenarios are interesting, the book reads a bit too much like a dale carnegie self-help book. there is no narrative whatsoever, just details of fictionalized phone calls. most importantly, the chapters are all structured identically. he details the scenario, then analyzes the con, then says how to prevent it. i think it is a good read for trusting americans, i.e. people who really do trust their neighbors. but, having come from the ussr, none of this is new. i always say NO to phone surveys and always go out of my way to be suspicious. i must admit that i have gotten caught doing things with my computer that could have been avoided, but that was mostly cause i was just curious what the obviously-a-trojan-or-a-virus download was. about the only thing i can away with was: large corporations are bad. i work in a small company and 95% of the things he describes could never happen because everybody knows everybody. most of his hacks presume there exists a person whose voice you might have never heard before or you do not know personally. otherwise, nothing terribly surprising...

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  437. I can't believe it... by citking · · Score: 1
    ...no on has even so far as mentioned Dean Koontz.

    The guy is a genius...at least in his earlier works. Check out Lightning, Darkfall, and The Bad Place if nothing else. While I will admit off the bat that they are not "Hacker Books", they will certainly entertain and keep you up all night!

    Besides, I saw Stephen "I pump out a book every month" King mentioned and Koontz certainly ranks up there.

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    "This food is problematic."
    1. Re:I can't believe it... by psykocrime · · Score: 1

      Hey! I did too mention Koontz!!! :-)

      Don't forget John Saul, either.

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  438. caller id by asv108 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize that there is the ability to use internal phones or hack caller id systems, but most of the phone based attacks played out in the book can be avoided with callerid, which is pretty ubiquitous these days. Its not fullproof by any means, but while reading a lot of the scenarios, I kept thinking caller id...

    1. Re:caller id by spacefight · · Score: 1

      :-)

      I realize that there is the ability to use internal phones or hack caller id systems, but most of the phone based attacks played out in the book can be avoided with callerid

      How would you avoid attacks by callerid when the intrudes has already a faked number? You simply can't tell then any longer if the guy calling is from inhouse or the outside. I've read the book too, but can't remember right now if Mitnick did really had to fake the callerid for some of his attacks.

    2. Re:caller id by asv108 · · Score: 1

      Thats why I mentioned internal phones, but in only one of the scenarios did the cracker worry about caller id, the rest of the phone based scenarios could have been avoided with a $5 box.

  439. Thomas Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow by ChrisGuest · · Score: 1

    700+ pages
    tears apart our notions of causality with irregular outbursts of chemistry, mathematics, physics and psychology.
    you have no idea what's happening for the first 50 pages...
    ... and little wiser for the remainder of the book.

    1. Re:Thomas Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow by Anonymous+Codger · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest this but searched the comments first...

      I'll second the motion on Gravity's Rainbow. This book is a total mind-fsck, a bit of science fiction, lots of geekiness (V2 rockets!), mixed with drugs, insanity, and more. It's a long read and will keep you off the streets for awhile. Not for the squeamish or the prude - some scenes made me gag.

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      No sig? Sigh...
  440. Something to read? by micker · · Score: 1
    Everyone into good sci-fi has to read Stranger in a Strange Land atleast once in their life.

    A great author of Non-Geek oriented books that no one seems to mention is George Peleconos its good gritty fiction thats just great. I got hooked on his wriring a few years ago, none of his books have dissapointed me yet.

    Also, if you're not well acquinted with the works of the good Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, I recommend that you get to know him as soon as possible. Very good stuff. Plus after reading some of his writing you must check out the Doonsbury collection of the Uncle Duke strips to see Trudeau's take on Thompson, plus the doonsbury collection comes with a Hunter Thompson action figure, whats more geek thatn that, An Action Figure! with interchangable martini glass and chainsaw!

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  441. American Gods by matsh · · Score: 3, Informative

    By Neil Gaiman. I have only read 60 pages so far, but it seems to be damned good.

  442. Guy Gavriel Kay and more. by ab0b · · Score: 1

    All his novels are exceptional. He is pioneer of the "historical fantasy" micro-genre. Song for Arbonne, Tigana, and especially The Lions of Al-Rassan are incredible. His earlier trilogy, The Fionvar Tapestry is less impressive, but still enjoyable. Most recently he put out a duology - The Sarantine Mosaic which is loosely based on Byzantium - is on par with his best works. I will also add another vote for George RR Martin. Brutal, in your face fantasy that reads more like historical fiction. Great plot twists and character development. On the subject of historical fiction, I would highly recommend Dorothy Dunnet's Lymond Chronicles, which detail the exploits of the fictional scoundrel Lymond in medieval Scotland. Lymond is a sort of Han Solo/Robin Hood/Lancelot hybrid. Finally I would recommend some of Robert Heinlein's more obscure stuff. The collection of short stories, The Green Hills of Earth has some great material. Especially the title story. That could make an incredible movie given the right people. Also I enjoyed I Will Fear No Evil more than I did his acclaimed Stranger In A Strange Land.

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  443. Amen by GojiraDeMonstah · · Score: 1

    nuff said

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    "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper!" - George W. Bush Nov. 2005
  444. Postquel?! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Errm. They're called "sequels", not "postquels". At least, they'd better be...

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Postquel?! by Enry · · Score: 1

      It was late. I was tired.

  445. Night's Dawn by kirkhus · · Score: 1

    I'm almost shocked that noone (at least with score >= 3) has suggested Peter F. Hamiltons Night's Dawn trilogy:

    - The Reality Dysfunction
    - The Neutronium Alchemins
    - The Naked God

    This is a must-read for every scifi loving person.

  446. Try "The Age of Spirtual Machines" by Kurzweil by foobar77 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes reality is more amazing than fiction.

  447. Dragonlance by Lemidan · · Score: 1

    The Dragonlance Series is Deffinately worth the time, it may encompas your entire break period in a wonderfully thought out, and written, set of novels.
    Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman should be saluted for this one.

    I am considering very seriously reading the series again.

    I have read Tolkien 3 times and in my oppinion Dragonlance is better. Would Love to see it on the silver screen, if as much attention to detail is observed as in LOTR movies (ahem, very good but lacking(Tom Bombadil... (Wrights......)).

    In retrospect, I doubt if Hollywood could capture Dragonlance (even close to in essence) on screen no matter how hard they tried, even if they had unlimited funds to do so.

    There are only 10 kinds of people, thoes who understand Binary and thoes who don't.

    Lemidan

    1. Re:Dragonlance by Lemidan · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention, the Chronicler IS a geek.

  448. If you are tired of the same old stuff by BerkeleyBull · · Score: 1

    I have read massive amounts of sci-fi and fantasy over the years. I stopped reading much several years ago, because it all started to seem the same to me. (See Robert Jordan and all the other LOtR imitators) So I was very pleased to discover several writers who are not just imitating what has sold well for others. These were originally recommended to me by the owner of Dark Carnival, here in Berkeley.

    'Altered Carbon' by Richard K Morgan. Sci-Fi.
    A hard-boiled detective novel (think Phillip Marlowe) set in a future in which people can switch bodies. You can live and die, over and over. Fast-paced, and with some dynamite political asides thrown in. Best since Snowcrash.

    'Across the Nightingale Floor' Fantasy.
    Set in medieval Japan. A young man with high-level Ninja skills has to choose between his heart and the various demands of society. Lyrical and amazingly well-written. First of a trilogy.

    'Sabriel', 'Lirael' and 'Abhorsen' by Garth Nix. Fantasy.
    Set in a world literally divided into Science and Magic by a Wall. Follows the lives of a family of 'Abhorsens' whose job is to keep the Dead from returning to the world of the living. Evocative, well-drawn world and characters.

    'The Golden Compass', The Subtle Knife' and 'The Amber Spyglass' by Phillip Pullman. Fantasy.
    Lately this has been marketed as a 'Young Adult' series. Don't be put off by that. I've been re-reading this after my first time throught the series a couple of years ago.
    Things that you do not expect keep happening. A sense of wonder that I haven't felt in years. Like being a kid again.

    1. Re:If you are tired of the same old stuff by Lemidan · · Score: 1

      "Fantacy" IS a rerun :-). Pick a topic, been there done that......

      Dragonlance deserves, in my humble opinion, a place in history. As well as Tolkien.... and others not mentioned.

  449. That's when I read by bob_jenkins · · Score: 1

    Engines of Creation, and Atlas Shrugged. I leave it to you whether those qualify as scifi-hacker books.

  450. Some PoliSci Faves by crmsndude · · Score: 1
    I started reading The Prince, by Machiavelli, again after I found myself on the receiving end of some of his ideas not once, but TWICE in one g-d damn week!

    So, I figured I might as well go back and do a trifecta:

    1. The Prince
    2. Discourses on Livy
    3. Art of War
    I figured I'd also try and do Clausewitz's On War; Cicero, Everitt's biography of the Roman; and since I was reading Machiavelli, I figure I might as well read Leo Strauss' book about him.
  451. PKD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read anything by Phillip K. Dick, esp. the Valis Trilogy.

  452. A world of options... by dr00g911 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, looks like the market's cornered on the Dunes, Enders, Stephensons, Hyperions and Hitchhikers (must-reads, but also entries into *very* long series that will dominate your reading until you're done with them).

    Anything early and non-biographical by Vonnegut is a good choice. He's written about 12 autobiographies at last count, and paying to get the same stories about his life over and over again gets a bit tedious. That said, Slaughterhouse Five and Cat's Cradle just can't be beat.

    In our current socio-political situation, there's quite a few books that are more than a little relevant: 1984, Brave New World, Catch-22...

    So the books above plus Ringworld give you /. 101 summer reading, and they're all really fast reads.

    An idea: why not branch out a bit? it pays to have some knowledge of other cultures and non-tech related things. Get a little more well-rounded!

    James Clavell's Asian Saga is amazing (they were derided as mass-market page turners back in the day -- maybe correct, but the man can tell a great story). They work better if you read them in chronological order by when the story is set (ie, start with Shogun, then Tai-Pan) instead of the order they were released in. They're hella page turners, and I'd have to say that 4 of the 6 in the series were amazing... passing on Whirlwind and Gaijin wouldn't hurt you much -- if you can even find Whirlwind -- it's been out of print a long time. Added bonus: you'll be able to speak a bit of pidgin Japanese by the end of the first two.

    Considered brushing up on some Shakespeare? Most people loathe it because they're introduced in a rather hostile environment in school. Check out Macbeth or Othello. Awesome insight into human nature.

    My fiancee introduced me to Paul Auster's books. Breathtaking writing.

    Driving Mr. Albert (Michael Paternini) is a travelogue detailing a cross-country trip with Einstein's brain in his trunk. Amazing stuff that goes in the truth is stranger than fiction file.

    My personal favorite book that I've read in a year or so, I gave to my fiancee as a gift -- Balzac and the little Chinese Seamstress. It's set during the chinese cultural revolution and is a modern-day fable. Simple, sweet, and a hell of a punch line at the end ;-) I actually forced myself to read it in small chunks instead of in one sitting because I enjoyed it so much and didn't want it to end.

    If none of these float your boat, get your hands on a banned book list.

    I'm not saying that everything on it is worth reading - but words put together in such a fashion that they can create public outcry deserve a look, at least while our first amendment is still in effect.

  453. Something that most people forget is a good read.. by LeoDV · · Score: 1

    ...isn't necessarily a novel. I'm going to pick up a few books to read over the summer today, and one of the things I'm hoping to find is a collection of short stories by Philip K. Dick. Good short stories are a very hard skill that I believe SF writers have really mastered (after all, that's how the genre started!), and reading several short stories by an author can often be an enlightening experience.

    And as far as "good SF hacker/geek" is concerned, I'm not the only one, but check out William Gibson's books that you haven't read. I hear his latest one is good, but if you haven't read it Idoru is a must read.

    Also, though it's neither of those things (except "good" which it is very very), I think novels by Chuck Palahniuk would definitely appeal to the kind of people most geeks or hackers have. If you haven't read Fight Club, read it, and if you have, read the sequel, and if you have, I don't have to tell you how good he is. :-P

    And as far as non-novels are concerned, there's also non-fiction which can also somehow fit in the "good SF geek/hacker" book. I'm thinking of things alogn the lines of The Space Elevator that /. covered a while ago. There are plenty of good non-fiction books that cover the likely future and are a definitely worthwhile read.

  454. This'll sound cheesy, but the new DS9 books... by Einer2 · · Score: 1
    ...are actually very well-written (with a couple of exceptions). The plotlines are on par with episodes from the sixth and seventh seasons, and I mostly like the new characters they brought in. In rough order of occurance, they are:

    The Lives of Dax
    Millenium (Three books)
    Avatar (Two books)
    Section 31: Abyss
    Gateways #4: Demons of Air and Darkness
    Gateways #7: Horn and Ivory
    Mission: Gamma (Four books)
    Rising Son
    The Left Hand of Destiny (Two books)
    Unity

    Deep reading it isn't, but it's a pleasant diversion from the heavier stuff ("The Life and Death of Planet Earth", "Nietzsche's Mirror", and the hit new thriller "IAU Colloquium 176: The Impact of Large-Scale Surveys on Pulsating Star Research").

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  455. How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steven Levy "Crypto" a brief history of public key encryption or "Body of secrets" by James Bamford (NSA history since WWII)

    AC

  456. Gilgamesh by Rxke · · Score: 1

    The oldest known 'long text' originated in the third millennium B.C.! got written down for the first time around 700 B.C. Of course, this is in fact a bit of a strange thing to read: extremely repetitive (echoes of the oral tradition), of extremely old fashioned, missing pieces... BUTBUTBUT it gives you a kick, knowing you're reading sumting REALLY ancient, even the big flood, from the O.T. is originally described in this text. Also, a bit of the mother of all fantasy novels, i guess.... Not your average book, sure, but a really interesting read...

  457. Cryptonomicon, Earth, A Deepness in the Sky, HHGTG by wadiwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you liked snowcrash and you like maths and computers you have to read Cryptonomicon (Neal Stephenson). It even has some dodgy perl script in it although corrections have been posted at Neal's web site.

    Otherwise there a whole CD or more worth of free sci fi, so you can get a taste of what authors you like here

    http://www.baen.com/library/

    I really like Lois McMaster Bujold - her "Vorkorsican" novels start with "Cordelia's Honor" which is really two novels published together ("Shards of Honor" and "Barrayar"). Epic like Starwars with much more attention to detail (are you ever annoyed when a novel fails to complete an idea, and leaves some character hanging, or contradicts its universe rules in every new release?).

    And I like David Weber - "On basilisk Station" and I just finished CS Friedman "The alien shore" which I liked. Most of these involve space travel. "The alien shore" involved spaceships and social structures and computer gadgets.

    David Weber was very military, as is Lois McMaster Bujold, and I don't like strict hierachies but I like these books. I like Elizabeth Moon's "Hunting Party", about Heris Serrano, again in a very hierachical society. I guess I like the breaking the rules bit that most of these use to create the drama.

    David Brin - "Earth" is an epic plot weaver, the ultimate internet, combined with some interesting physics, maths and enviromental outcomes. I needed 6 bookmarks to read that one.

    I hated Robert Jordan Wheel of time series because he never finishes, there are dangling ideas everywhere and it looks like every book just spawns more threads without completion. Very frustrating. I also disliked CJ Cherryh "The Chronicles of Morgaine" because it was a little bit Arthurian legend (I am sick to death of Arthur), but if you want to know where the "Stargates" come from, then it is interesting.

    "A deepness in the sky" by Vernor Vinge is another great epic. It is sort of a prequel to A fire upon the deep (1993), and covers 1000's of years of time, space travel, aliens and humans, traders and religious fundamentalist dictatorships. And interestingly explores the consequences of dependence on computer systems and human augmentation with biotech.

    I also like Julian May, Golden Torc series; Anne Macaffery, Mercedes Lackey (although they're a little girly-princess). Terry Goodkind is good but a little too much s&m for me. And for good detective crime fighting, I like Dick Francis, so far as I know he wrote only one computer related story "Twice Shy" and it is quite historical now ie it used cassette tapes to load the programs.

    For cultural completeness, if you haven't already read these, you must read Tolkein ("Hobbit", "Lord of the Rings" etc), and Douglas Adams "Hitchikers guide to the galaxy" series.

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  458. Some all-time classic Sci-Fi by thepustule · · Score: 1

    I would recommend the collected short stories of Ray Bradbury and the Foundation series and Robot series by Azimov. Ray Bradbury can have the hair on the back of your neck standing on end in a few pages - an effect rarely produced even by some of the longest and most powerful Novels. Azimov's work is from a different era - the "big fins" 50's view of the future alluded to in Gibson's short story "Gernsback Continuum". If that doesn't satisfy you, be sure to tackle some of the best stuff ever written in the English language: The original Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewiss Carol. So well written that when you put it down, you really feel like you're waking from a twisted dream. The seven Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis also never fail to stimulate the mind. You can't help but almost feel the stuffy old Victorian English attic or closet melt into the wild, adventure-filled, otherworld that is Narnia.

    Whatever you do, don't do yourself the disservice of planning to read "A Book" during the summer! At that rate you'll be long dead before you get to the good stuff! Read a few!

  459. Roger Zelazny... by PaulBu · · Score: 1

    I remember my (then-girl-)friend saying,
    on the very OTHER side of Atlantic: "So,
    you claim you do not like Fantasy? Well,
    read this book..." --- and the next thing
    I knew was me trying to bend the reality
    of a neighbourhood street-corner cart to
    carry the beer that I liked... ;-)

    Just that you asked...

    Paul B.

  460. for all you non-sci-fi folks... by inkedmn · · Score: 1

    This
    is a very good read (and feel free to show your sexual insecurity by making fun of the fact that it's a Oprah's Book Club selection). seriously, one of my favorites

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  461. Don't forget Harry Turtledove's Darkness series by Kymermosst · · Score: 1

    Harry Turtledove's Darkness series is a story about a war, very similar to World War II, but set in a usual fantasy world of magic, dragons, etc.

    It's a very good read. Character development is excellent, though there are so many characters it's a bit hard to keep track of, at first. However, once you're in to it, you begin to know them intimately.

    The Darkness series is a damn good read for anyone that likes good fantasy.

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    "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    1. Re:Don't forget Harry Turtledove's Darkness series by Doc+Hopper · · Score: 1

      And you have Terry Goodkind's "Wizard's First Rule" as your signature line.

      For me, that's the most redeeming part of the "Sword of Truth" series -- those Wizard's Rules. They just feel true. Not that they are great absolute maxims to live by, but the introduction of a new rule in each book gives some interesting flavor as you try to figure out what the rule's going to be (in some cases), or where the rule introduced earlier in the book is going to be used.

    2. Re:Don't forget Harry Turtledove's Darkness series by Kymermosst · · Score: 1

      I thought the first few books in SoT were excellent. The last couple have been good reads... but I'm not as satisfied with them as I was with Wizard's First Rule and Blood of the Fold, which explored topics of humanity and human relationships. Faith of the Fallen was most interesting when you learned of the Empire's bureaucracy.

      I agree, though, that the Wizard's Rules are the most redeeming part of the series.

      As you noticed, I especially like the First Rule. It's the first because it is the most important. :) It is also the one I've noticed to be the most true.

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  462. Want to read something different? by Shadestalker · · Score: 1

    Then stop asking what "people like" and go to a library or bookstore to find out for yourself. Letting the lowest common denominator determine your reading habits doesn't seem the way to go about it, IMHO.

  463. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by Moofie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oooh! Oooh! Yeah! how did I forget Gaiman?

    Everything that's come out of Neil Gaiman's pen is freakin' awesome. I haven't read all of Sandman, but his novels are really imaginative and evocative. I loved his children's book, Coraline.

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  464. Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Mother Night by dasunt · · Score: 1

    Loved the book, loved the movie.

    Had the nicest moral to the story as well: "Be careful what you pretend to be, because that is what you become" (IIRC).

  465. my recent reading by danny · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, I can recommend The Faculty of Useless Knowledge and Forbidding Wrong in Islam . You might want to browse through my 700 other book reviews.

    Danny.

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  466. China Mieville and Neil Gaiman by user · · Score: 1

    With > 700 posts, who knows if anyone will see this...

    I *must* recommend China Mieville's "Perdido Street Station" (and the sort-of sequel "The Scar"). His novels have amazingly rich texture, setting and characters are vivid and life-like. An excellent balance of description and plot, I found myself completely immersed as New Crobuzon came alive around me. While it would probably be found in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section, it's hardly the standard techo-thriller/D&D work you might expect. Perhaps the closest example I can give is Neil Gaiman's "Neverwhere" - another book I heartily recommend. In fact, you should probably read everything Gaiman has written - from "Good Omens" (with Terry Pratchett) to his Sandman series of graphic novels.

    -User

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  467. Greg Egan and Iain M Banks by tero · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Greg Egan is probably the leading man of hard-scifi at the moment. Pick just about any of his books. My personal Favorites are Permutation City or Diaspora. Egan has lots of stuff online, on his homepage so be sure to head over and check it out.

    Iain M Banks is probably not counted as hard-scifi author but his books are thought-provoking and entertaining as hell (I even recommend you to take a look at his non-scifi books, published under the name Iain Banks, some real gems there too). Try The Player of the Games, Use of Weapons or State of the Art which is a excellent collection of short stories. Cheers, Tero

    1. Re:Greg Egan and Iain M Banks by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      Also Against a Dark Background by Banks. Not the Culture universe, but in many ways a more fascinating one. The concept of the Lazy Gun is excellent! (Don't ask, I won't spoil it here)

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  468. Try this book... by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 1

    Try reading the book "Why a university degree will help you get where you want in life." I forget who the author is.

    If you enjoying reading, and read /., you might want to consider further study. If you are taking a break for a year, that's ok. Experience is good, but a degree and experience is better. Goodluck binaryhead.

  469. Hello? Zelazny!! by shadoi · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't believe nobody mentioned Zelazny (at least in the 5mods), which is all I read on this sites' comments.. heh

    The guy didn't win multiple nebula and hugo awards for nothing. He has some of the most original and interesting ideas that I've read and my god can the guy suck you in quickly.

    So for his sci-fi stuff read "The isle of the dead", "To die in Italbar", "Damnation alley" -- also a movie made in the 70's. His Amber series is pretty famous and extremely excellent in my opinion, it's kind of a blend of sci-fi & fantasy, a bit heavier on the fantasy.

    Anyway, if you like Gibson you'll love Zelazny.

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  470. A Song of Fire and Ice Trilogy by thailovin · · Score: 1

    If you like fantasy (and even if you don't), George R R Martin's triology A Song of Fire and Ice is a fantastic choice. Currently the three books are about 800-1000 pages each but if you have a month to spare reading this series would make you a very happy camper.

  471. Something sci-fi, something not by jasperc · · Score: 1

    Sci-fi: "Altered Carbon," by Richard K. Morgan. Big, but excellent. A truly new set of sci-fi ideas. It's his first book and it's already gonna be a movie (which usually bodes ill for a book, but not in this case).
    Not sci-fi: Try "Dubliners" or "Ulysses" by James Joyce. If you really wanna unhinge your mind, try "Finnegan's Wake."

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  472. interesting books not listed yet on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The eye in the triangle; an interpretation of Aleister Crowley
    by Israel Regardie

    -Very interesting look at his early years when he developed his 'style of magic'. Story by his defunct star student, Regardie.

    Futureland
    by Walter Mosley

    -An amazingly fresh cyberpunk book! Superb series of short stories linked together.

    Evasion
    by the Crimethink Collective.

    -Sort of a post-modern Tom Sawyer story about hopping trains, living without a job, and shoplifting to survive. Come be useful info if Bush is re-elected!

    The Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman

    -A cool motivational/Zen book that has a big positive impact on most folks who read it.

  473. Ishmael by Dan Quinn by hoover · · Score: 1, Insightful
    While not exactly fitting into the "Hacker Sci/Fi" category, both "Ishmael" and "The Story of B" by Dan Quinn have profoundly changed the way I view the world and humanity's place in it. It probably won't take you a month (I read "Ish" in a day because I simply could not put it down ;-), but you can spend the rest of your free time reading Dan's other excellent books.

    There is no better preparation for corporate life than going there, knowing what it's all about that fscked our culture up so badly (and I'm on about the global taker culture, not our "precious" east vs. west subdivisions and so on).

    Enjoy & good luck with your new job!

    Uwe

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    1. Re:Ishmael by Dan Quinn by fortz2 · · Score: 1

      I generally consider this to be the worst book I ever read.

      global taker culture
      Added emphasis.

      I really couldn't get past this. The whole taker/leaver thing is not in any way a neutral reference system, regardless of what Quinn would like you to believe. It's been a while (almost 4 years) since I read the book, so I can't really provide any concrete examples from the book. Add to this that the book shouldn't have been designed as fiction (and, in fact, originally wasn't), and I really wish I hadn't wasted those long, long hours trying to get through that book.

    2. Re:Ishmael by Dan Quinn by fuzzdawg · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is though, Mr. Quinn has more than two (2) kids of his own. So much for his over-population idea.

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    3. Re:Ishmael by Dan Quinn by hoover · · Score: 1
      Why would you want a neutral reference system? Why should you even need one in this case? Quinn merely points out that there are different ways of making a living, while mother culture teaches us that ours (totalitarian agriculture being at war with the rest of the community of life) is the only one possible, and even worse, that we have to convert each and every human being to it, regardless of what they value or if they'd rather be left alone.

      As for the other poster (Quinn having more than two kids), well practise what you preach. I have two kids myself, but why I would I want to enforce my view on others? Nowhere in Dan's books I find references that people should only have two kids.

      While I realize "Ish" is not everyone's cup of tea , it really has some very interesting viewpoints, and for me it has been one of the few titles I have read in my life that answer more questions then they create. Maybe you should try "My Ishmael" and / or "The Story of B" and see how you get along with those.

      Cheers,

      Uwe

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    4. Re:Ishmael by Dan Quinn by fortz2 · · Score: 1

      Why would you want a neutral reference system? Why should you even need one in this case?

      It's just that I remember a part in the book where Ishmael asked the man (sorry, I can't remember his name) whether he agreed that the names "taker" and "leaver" didn't have any inherent negative or positive connotations, and the man agreed. I think that's a really biased question, and I also think that they do have inherent negative and positive connotations. It makes sense that you shouldn't need one, but you also shouldn't imply or say that it is neutral when it really isn't.

  474. The Illistrated Man by roe1352 · · Score: 1

    The Illistrated Man by Ray Bradbury is a great collection of interesting short stories. Its a sci-fi book about the future but it has some really interesting ideas and concepts in in.

  475. Cryptonomicon's characters by billstewart · · Score: 4, Interesting
    OK, so many of them matched the idiosyncracies of his geek friends, but some of them were *my* geek friends as well (though I haven't actually met Neal) so figuring out who was who and who was a composite and who was just a local archetype was part of the fun. For instance, all the "Enhancing Shareholder Value" bit is pure Menlo Park archetypal, and the litcrit girlfriend doing the "War as Text" conference and her snobbish leftie friends are also (or at least they're engineering-types' stereotyped perceptions of those people), though perhaps they were also influenced by specific individuals. On the other hand, the Secret Admirers were rather directly the Cypherpunks, and the little company in Los Altos was quite specific.

    Also, reading it now is an opportunity to be nostalgic about that Internet Boom Thing that was so many quarters ago....

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    1. Re:Cryptonomicon's characters by ParamonKreel · · Score: 1

      yes, but those people are boring, and a book about them is also boring. It's funny he-he, not ha-ha.

      Think Ishtar [a very bad movie about bad musicians] or the Poochie episode [a bad episode about a bad character]. Cryptonomicon was okay if you cut out the 12 page dissertation on masturbation cycles. He just went on too long about some things, like he was trying to strech the book out. If the fat was trimmed it would have been a better book. And I usually favour the un-edited versions.

  476. You found a job already??? by etp · · Score: 0

    Just graduated from compsci???

  477. Connie Willis by Vegigami · · Score: 3, Informative

    "A Fire Upon the Deep" is one of my favorite books but there's a reason it shared the Hugo Award with Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book". You might want to check out her writings too.

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  478. Foundation by SlickMickTrick · · Score: 1

    I recommend Foundation by Isaac Asimov. A tale of science, religion, human survival and prediction.

  479. Reach out a little by the+right+sock · · Score: 2, Informative


    While sci-fi, fantasy, tech books, etc... are fun to read, it's important to read about other things as well. You may spark interest in things that might never have crossed your path, or gain insight into your life and the world you live in. there's alot to gain from a book - more than what's on the page. The following books cover a breadth of subjects: music, art, philosophy, the mind, mathematics, society, history - not as individual topics, but instead linked together in ways that aren't very obvious. That alone would make you think some more, and the more fuel you have for that, the better off you'll be.
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    Gödel, Escher, Bach (Douglas R. Hofstadtler)
    Take multi-level music (bach), recursive art (escher), and incomplete systems (gödel), string it together along the lines of reasoning, logic, computer science, and a good story and you'll eventually end up talking about Artificial Intelligence. Not a 'light' read, but challenging and satisfying in all it covers.

    Gravity's Rainbow (Thomas Pynchon)
    I just like this book a lot. There's quite a few different themes running independantly, touching every now and then, eventually converging. The most top-level theme is the search for an officer who is distantly related (in every sense of the word) to the German V2 rocket bomb. it's funny and has a lot going on in it. Pynchon's writing takes a bit to get used to, but it's worth the effort.

    The Mind Within the Net (Manfriend Spitzer)
    An intro to neural networks and how they are used to test theories on the biological functions of the brain.

    Synaptic Self (Joseph LeDoux)
    This book begins with the brain's biochem/electric functions. As it progresses, you'll find it parallels Spitzer's book from a biological perspective - alot of the technical aspects presented by Spitzer (i.e. modules, networks, systems) are realized in terms of physical biology.

    The Metaphysical Club (Louis Menand)
    Basically a history of the most prominent ideals in our society. It's interesting reading, and, considering most of the players date to the Civil War, surprisingly relevant in today's society.

    Catch-22 (Joseph Heller)
    This is a fun book to read, good story. There's also quite a bit going on, but i've only read it once so i can't really give a revealing opinion of it.

  480. The Pragmatic Programmer: From Journeyman to Maste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great read in short story style. Yeah, it's a programming book but the lessons are applicable elsewhere.

  481. Re:Dune (what about Miles Teg?) by bmac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't agree with "dry and uninteresting", but Miles Teg getting his in book 5 (Heretics of Dune, I believe) is one of my all-time favorite sections in any book. As well, the book is as much about the fact that the development of the humans centers upon *awareness* is in itself worth the wordage, IMO.

    Peace & Blessings,
    bmac

  482. Re:You read one Lovecraft story you've read 'em al by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can pick Lovecraft's hack work out at 20 paces, and frankly, most of his later stuff was just reworked earlier stories.

    However, if somewhat repetitive, there are definitely better stories in the mix.

    His pantheon tended to have 3 main regions:
    1. Main Cthulhu stories -- the straight mojo w/ the big boys
    2. Secondary Cthulhu stories -- man vs the peripheral monsters. I think 'Pickman's Model' is the best of those.
    3. The dreamlands stories -- I think he was into drug usage when he did these, but it's hard to tell. This is the only realm of Lovecraft where man isn't hopelessly doomed.

    BTW -- the novella 'At the Mountains of Madness' lays the entire mythology out pretty well.

  483. Pratchett's Discworld by billstewart · · Score: 2, Informative
    Oh, even if you *loathe* fantasy, the Discworld books are a scream. (Actually, liking fantasy does help, because so much of it is takeoffs on the whole fantasy genre.) Terry keeps on cranking out more of them, and while some are better than others, they're all worth reading.

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    We're 106 leagues from Ankh-Morpork....

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    1. Re:Pratchett's Discworld by JimPooley · · Score: 1

      If you're new to this, just remember this.
      The later discworld books are far better than the earlier ones. The most recent Discworld novel, Night Watch is in a completely different league to, say, The Colour Of Magic. His writing has matured significantly over the years.

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    2. Re:Pratchett's Discworld by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      If you're new to this, just remember this.
      The later discworld books are far better than the earlier ones. The most recent Discworld novel, Night Watch is in a completely different league to, say, The Colour Of Magic. His writing has matured significantly over the years.


      No kidding. Try on "Dark Side of the Sun" (a non-Discworld book by Pratchett). Blech. I forced myself to read it, and felt like a sucker, even though it was free at the local library. It was interesting only from the perspective that it had some common threads with later Pratchett work that were neat to see (the "million to one chance" for instance).

      I think one of the neater Pratchett books is Cohen the Barbarian. The combination of Pratchett's writing with the wonderful illustrations was nice.

      Pratchett books do feel formulaic at times (and sometimes a bit preachy), but there are always some howlers. I forget which book it was, but there was a quote in one that I love (paraphrased)"

      "Build a man a fire and he stays warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he stays warm for the rest of his life."

      Classic Pratchett. Tongue in cheek at all times.

      GF.

  484. David Brin or Philip K. Dick by DNAgent · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've become a big fan of David Brin fairly recently. For a standalone book, I'd recommend "Earth" which has some pretty interesting insights into ecology, privacy and the impact of technology on human culture.

    If you're willing to risk getting sucked into a big series, then I'd start out the "Uplift" series of books with "Sundiver". It also works well on its own, but you'll probably be compelled to read the rest if you like it.

    Someone whose speculations head off in entirely different realms is my personal favorite: Philip K. Dick. A lot of his stuff kind of requires that you have a basic understanding of how his writing operates but some that are accessable to a first-timer, assuming you are one, include "Time Out of Joint", "Ubik", and "A Scanner Darkly". Set and written in the 50's, 60's, and 70's respectively, each provides a good insight into his style as it evolved. An added bonus of TOOJ is that it is the book that exposes "The Truman Show" as the blatant second-rate rip-off that it is, not that I'm holding a grudge over it. ;)

    I don't recommend "Valis" for a beginner as it really requires too much background knowledge of Dick's life to make a lot of sense out of it. But if you're willing to be confused, it's a book that can be plumbed over and over again for insight.

  485. GRRMartin by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yup, definitely grittier. My basic summary of it is "lots of swords, not much sorcery", and in the (third?) book he credits so-and-so "who made me put in the dragons" which are involved with most of the sorcery side (and really end up more as an excuse to have a couple of characters who hang around locations and cultures that are different from most of the book, which is good for balance and variety.

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    1. Re:GRRMartin by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Goodkind got a big yellow card from me when he turned into an objectivist twit in Faith of the Fallen. He got another one when he did the most recent book without mentioning the main characters until the last 30 pages.

      I don't know about this guy. He's pulling a Jordan on me.

      Martin, on the other hand, is looking good. Liked the ending of the last one.

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  486. LuCkY WaNdEr BoY by mistersupercat · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a new one, and it's not exactly SF -- but it's not exactly not SF either -- but Lucky Wander Boy by D.B. Weiss really did it for me. It's about a guy's quest for this surreal, rare, and possibly supernatural videogame called Lucky Wander Boy. Funnier than hell, and well worth checking out.

  487. Careful, goatse link by roie_m · · Score: 0

    Careful, goatse link

  488. Decent Books & Their Lessers. by diryn · · Score: 0

    David Brin is a brilliant author, especially with his Uplift books. Read the Uplift War and the three or four or so books (lost count, I've read them so many times, I forgot how many there were.) I mean like.. wow.

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  489. Pynchon! Yes! by billstewart · · Score: 1

    "The Crying of Lot 49" was good, and also short - it's a fast read. And you'll start to understand why occasional email systems are named "Trystero" :-) Vineland is also pretty accessible. On the other hand, I made several attempts at reading "Gravity's Rainbow" and just never clicked with it.

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  490. Gormenghast by yawgnol · · Score: 1

    Gormenghast Trilogy

    Quite a few people consider it the best science fiction or fantasy trilogy ever. Myself included.

    You have to give it sixty pages to get used to Peake's style, but if you do, you are going to read something you'll probably remember forever. A strange experience to read, and difficult to forget.

    No kidding...

    LWH-

  491. More choices -- only the good stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windup Bird Chronicles -- Haruki Murukami
    Stations of the Tide -- Michael Swanwick
    Once and Future King -- TH White
    Excession -- Iain Banks
    Hyperion -- Dan Simmons
    Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire -- Gibbon
    A Scanner Darkly -- Phillip Dick
    The Razor's Edge -- Somerset Maugham
    Our Man in Havana -- Graham Greene
    Different Seasons -- Steven King
    Camp Concentration -- Thomas Disch
    An Instance of the Fingerpost -- Iain Pears
    Geek Love -- Katherine Dunn
    One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest -- Ken Kesey

  492. Moorcock's More Recent Work by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Sure, back in the dark ages, Michael Moorcock did the Elric fantasies, with a moody swordsman with a really nasty haunted sword, and did the "Dancers At the End Of Time" series which was much more interesting, and the didn't work-for-me mixture of the two in "Elric at the end of time". But he's also done some non-fantasy stuff set in the current time with modern human beings, such as King of the City, which is a totally different kind of thing and worth reading.

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    1. Re:Moorcock's More Recent Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about The Dreamthief's Daughter and The Skrayling Tree? Elric is back, and he's still good fun.

  493. What?? by NamShubCMX · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What???

    No one suggested Hitchikers guide to the galaxy (a trilogy iun 5 parts) yet!!??

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    1. Re:What?? by Findel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, you see. Most true Geeks have read this by the time they are off their mums milk, and dont need to be told about it when they are old enought to leave school! duh.

      Just kidding. I recomend this book too, but if you havn't already read it, I will be very supprised.

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    2. Re:What?? by Openadvocate · · Score: 1

      yes you are right, I read it on every summer vacation. And the the people around me still give me a strange look when I quote something from the book I think is funny.

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    3. Re:What?? by apt142 · · Score: 1
      You meantioned quotes. And here I am, on lunch reading the book in question, again. How can I resist? Obligitory Quote from my favorite character in the series:

      "My capacity for Mental activity of all kinds is as boundless as the infinite reaches of space itself. Except of course for my capacity for happiness."

      "My capacity for happiness", he added, "you could fit into a matchbox without taking out the matches first."

    4. Re:What?? by rifter · · Score: 1

      "One wonders," thought rifter, "whether Marvin runs WinCE." ;)

      Well, I thought it was appropriate :P. Especially if you pronounce it the way I do.

  494. LOTR... by LemonYellow · · Score: 1

    You can't read Lord of the Rings too many times. Get yourself in peak condition for the release of The Return of the King.

  495. Anything by Jeff Noon by BeCre8iv · · Score: 1

    But if you want it all to fall into place read Vurt, Pollen and Automated Alice (in that order) for that moment of clarity.

    Vurt and Pollen are set in a parallell manchester where they use feathers to access another paralell universe - too wierd to explain, just read.

    Naturally gibson is the obvious choice, but since the Matrix, everybody luvs Gibson - I recommend the Difference Engine for pure originlity

    Anothe tip is the sword and sourcery title 'monument' (out soon - UK) for the ultimate drunken bastard antihero.

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  496. Discworld by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

    Every time somebody tells me that I "have to" read the Discworld books, I postpone doing so for another six months, just out of spite. Maybe I'm just hurting myself, but I've got plenty of reading material. As it stands, I don't intend to read anything Discworld until 2009.

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  497. Krakauer's Into Thin Air and 1996 Everest by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I haven't read it yet, but there are a bunch of books about the disastrous 1996 Everest climbing season. "The Climb" by Anatoli Boukreev and G. Weston DeWalt is another view of the same events - apparently Krakauer thinks Boukreev made some of the most critical mistakes on the mountain, while Boukreev thought other things led to it, particularly communications problems and oxygen provisioning problems. (The book was posthumous on Boukreev's part - he got killed in an avalanche on Annapurna a year or so later.)

    David Brashears's book High Exposure is partly about that year, and partly about his experiences as a climber in general. He led the IMAX film-making expedition that was on Everest that year.

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  498. Read whatever Charlie Rose sez to by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

    Just go to CharlieRose.com, and click on whatever book he's hyping. People will instantly think you're smart.

  499. Elrond! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy crap, my trailer park friend, you read a lot of crap. I mean, here is Elrond Hubbard's (the father of Scientology) pile of dung, which you rated nine out of ten.

    To each his own, I guess, but I would advise the recent graduate to pass over this list you're graciously offering.

    1. Re:Elrond! by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      Yeah .. my karma fearing kiblitzer,

      like I said, not everyone agrees with me.

      However, that particular book in question was an enjoyable read. Was it written by a meglomaniac nutjob ? sure - was still a good read.

      I read the l.ron hubbard stuff before I had ever heard about scientology, and I would like to think that even HAD I known about that "religion" I would have still read his books.

      Seems pretty backwards to *NOT* read something because of your political views.

      Of course, thats seems just about as pointless as not wanting to take credit for your opinion.

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    2. Re:Elrond! by mfrank · · Score: 1

      I read "Battlefield Earth" before I knew that Scientology even existed. Guess what, it's still one of the lousiest books I've ever read. Years later, realizing the money I paid for that crap went to an ugly cult really pissed me off.

  500. Inward Bound by Abraham Pais by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is a great book about the development of modern physics.

    It isn't too light like most "pop-physics" books; it includes enough technical depth to keep scientists interested, but the technical depth can also be ignored without destroying the flow and substance of the book. It does a great job telling the story of how all the seemingly bizarre weirdness that is modern physics was discovered.

    He also wrote bios of Einstein and Bohr.

  501. Gibson on the Web by the+end+of+britain · · Score: 2, Informative

    I liked Pattern Recognition, and found out a week ago that William Gibson has a web site; there's a (good) blog and a discussion list. http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/index.asp

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    "Oh, the tragedy of math gone wrong. I can't even talk about it." -Wil Wheaton http://www.wilwheaton.net
  502. All Sorts of Suggestions by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

    The theme of classical literature is seldom hacker/geek, but they are value to anybody with a mind to read them. They're the originals from which todays hackneyed archetypes are spawned. Read The Iliad and The Oddysey (I'm particularly found of Rouse's plain English translation). Read War and Peace, as other posters have suggested. I, myself, am having a summer of Ayn Rand (but as quick as Anthem went by, I might have to find something else to liven this summer). The Divine Comedy is pretty good - at least Inferno and Purgatorio are. Paradiso is a bore. Anything by Oscar Wilde (The Picture of Dorian Grey, Lady Windermere's Fan, An Ideal Husband) is solid gold. If you're a stoic, try Thomas Hardy. If you prefer contemporary literature, try Catch 22.

    If you're truly inclined to be geeky, may I suggest the trilogy, "His Dark Materials" (starting with The Golden Compass) by Philip Pullman. The Earthsea Trilogy (starting with A Wizard of Earthsea) by Ursula Leguin is a personal favourite. If you can find the Saga of Pliocene Exile (a four-book series, starting with The Many Coloured Land) by Julian May, it's a very good read (out of print, though; hard to find).

    --
    Virtue finds and chooses the mean.
    Aristotle, Ethica Nichomachea
  503. Raymond Feist as Summer Reading by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I didn't find anything deep in Feist's work - it struck me as a commercial "I'm going to write a series of books in the Fantasy genre that sells well" effort, without the vast deepness of Tolkein or the grimness of George Were-his-middle-initials-really-R-R Martin.

    On the other hand, that's ok if it's done well and you're not expecting more of it, and Feist's books really were done well. He's telling a bunch of stories, and telling them well, does an OK job with his characters and the worlds he sets them in and does a good job with the pacing, and does a good enough job of tying the books together. If you're going for basic summer read rather than a deeper literary experience, try the first one or two and see if you want to pick up the rest. It's read-it-once stuff, but it holds up well enough for that.

    I'd recommend Steven Brust's books instead, or Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books if they work for you. For Brust, you REALLY REALLY need to start them with "Jhereg", and after that the order's less critical, except that you need to read Athyra before Orca, and The Phoenix Guards before Five Hundred Years After before The Viscount of Adrilankha.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  504. Donaldson's The Gap?? by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I loved the Thomas Covenant series - some of the best fiction in any genre since Tolkien or at least Dune. He's also got Daughter of Regals, a collection of shorter stories. One's a Thomas Covenant outtake, but they basically stand alone, and the title story rocks. His Mirror series was also very good. (Especially with Thomas Covenant, you may need to keep your dictionary handy, because he unfortunately overused his obscure-words thesaurus while writing, but it's the characters and emotional states and world-creation that give it the depth and beauty it has.)

    But, ummm, how shall I say this, the Gap series sucked rocks. Yes, fine, somebody has to take the Ring of the Niebelungen and do something deeper than Tom Holt's lightweight cheerful "Expecting Someone Taller", like transforming it into Space Opera, but for me, this one just failed badly, and the last book or two of it I bought in unfulfilled hopes that he'd finally get somewhere worthwhile with it.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
    1. Re:Donaldson's The Gap?? by stanmann · · Score: 1

      I think the big problem with the Gap series was the complete and total lack of a hero, heroine, or even someone you could like just a little bit. But I actually liked that. Of course, I liked David Eddings Losers too... I guess I should read Ring of the Niebelungen to have something to compare it with.

      --
      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
  505. Age of Spiritual Machines by SilentJ_PDX · · Score: 1

    With all the hype of Matrix Reloaded (and specifically the Second Renaissance animatrix shorts), I wanted to get a real-world perspective on the possibility of human intelligence in machines.

    It's written by Ray Kurzweil and covers his prediction that we will have human-level intelligence in machines by 2020 and the implications of that prediction. I'm a bit more than halfway through this right now and it's a *great* read.

    1. Re:Age of Spiritual Machines by crwfrd · · Score: 1

      I second "Spiritual". While I disagree with Kurzweil's optimistic evaluation of the uninterruptible ever-increasing horsepower of the next-gen CPU, his logic is otherwise faultless.

      As futurism goes, this is some of the best.

  506. Tolstoy by BigFootApe · · Score: 1

    War and Peace epic, and therefore long, but uses a cool sardonic writing style. Also has a neat theory about the history.

    Some of his short works are even better.

    Best part: it's all on Gutenberg.

  507. Ayn Rand by Skyhoper · · Score: 1

    Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead.

  508. About A New Kind of Science by rickwood · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I bought A New Kind of Science when it first came out, thinking that Wolfram is a genius and he must have come up with something really great to put out such a honkin' big book. I must admit that I never actually read it though. My reasons were two-fold.

    First, the parts of the book that I flipped through when I first opened the package and took it out were either A) So self-congratulatory of Wolfram's "discoveries" so as to be annoying or B) Details of simple experiments with Cellular Automata conducted in Mathematica. You might have seen Commodore BASIC source code for similar experiments in Compute! magazine in 1982. Okay, maybe not, but you get my point. Even with those points against it, Wolfram appeared to make some interesting conclusions, so I decided to attempt it.

    Which brings me to point the second: When I sat down and started to read the book, the lengthy copyright notice caught my eye. Lucky for me it did. Rather than go off on a rant, I'll let the copyright statement speak for itself:

    Copyright 2002 by Stephen Wolfram, LLC

    All rights reserved. Except as provided below, no part of this book, whether in physical, electronic or other form, may be copied, reproduced, distributed, transmitted, publicly performed or displayed without the prior written consent of the copyright holder. Nor may derivative works such as translations be produced. Visit www.wolframscience.com/nks/permissions for further information.

    The author, copyright holder and publisher wish to encourage further development of the science in this book, while maintaining its intellectual integrity and preserving the value of their substantial creative and financial investments through the maintenance of appropriate legal and other rights.

    Discoveries and ideas introduced in the this book, whether presented at length or not, and the legal rights and goodwill associated with them, represent valuable property of Stephen Wolfram, LLC, and when they or work based on them is described or presented, whether for scholarly purposes or otherwise, appropriate attribution should be given. For purposes of scholarly citation this book is a primary source and should be cited accordingly.

    Individual verbatim quotations of up to twenty lines of plain text may be made for scholarly purposes if this book is clearly identified and cited as the source. Visit www.wolframscience.com/nks/reprints for information on classroom reprints and copying arrangements.

    [Two sections concerning illustrations and Mathematica source code use restrictions, reading much the same as the rest of the copyright statement, which I skip for brevity's sake]

    Certain material in this book may be proprietary, and may for example be or become the subject of US or foreign patents, pending or issued. Inclusion in this book shall not be construed as implying any license of any sort. Visit www.wolframscience.com/nks/licensing for licensing information.

    [There's a little more but I've made my point]


    I read no further than the end of the copyright statement and haven't opened the book since except for the purpose of this post.

    Perhaps people might think it unreasonable, but I have to take issue with a book claiming to deliver A New Kind of Science in which all the science appears to be held under lock and key. Where the hell would we be if Newton, et al. patented calculus, or Knuth patented algorithmic analysis?

    So all I can offer is my completely uninformed opinion based solely on my layman's interpetation of the copyright statement: Stop before you infect your mind with Wolfram's IP.
    1. Re:About A New Kind of Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's pretty chilling.

      It's almost a good thing there's nothing novel or interesting anywhere in the book

    2. Re:About A New Kind of Science by Sir+Robin · · Score: 1
      appropriate attribution should be given
      Oh, gosh, what a horrible hardship.
      Certain material in this book may be proprietary, and may for example be or become the subject of US or foreign patents, pending or issued.
      Like, for example, the Mathematica source? Again, gee, how terrible.

      Get a grip.
      --
      My /. ID is only 5,210 away from Bruce Perens's.
    3. Re:About A New Kind of Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that most of the shit he spouts in there IS NOT original, and just a rehashing of the ideas of others (who are not credited). The book's poorly thought out, and sounds like some highly intelligent person took some LSD and decided the little snippet of insight they picked up on the trip was worth writting a giant fucking ego-stroking tome about.

    4. Re:About A New Kind of Science by tgibbs · · Score: 1
      Perhaps people might think it unreasonable, but I have to take issue with a book claiming to deliver A New Kind of Science in which all the science appears to be held under lock and key.
      He is merely insisting on the basic standards of scholarship and proper attribution that every ethical scientist observes routinely.
  509. Read this : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Of all Part I and Part II And PartIII And Finally Newest Trailer

  510. Try Revelation Space by AzSpex · · Score: 1

    By Alastair Reynolds http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Alastair _Reynolds.htm

  511. Try "hard SF" rather than hacker SF by James+Youngman · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm talking about anything by Arthur Clarke, Stanislaw Lem (his book The Cyberiad is pretty hackish in nature and very good). Also David Brin (e.g. Sundiver)

    Less "hard" SF to consider - The Stars My Destination, by Alfred Bester, Nova by Samuel R. Delany. Maybe even Peter F. Hamilton (start with The Reality Dysfunction), if you liked Stephenson.

  512. Zelazny's by varjag · · Score: 1

    Try Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny, one of the best New Wave sci-fi authors. The language of book is delicious, and the mix of Hindu/Buddhist philosophy with technology and one man anti-authoritarian struggle is very thought-provoking.

    --
    Lisp is the Tengwar of programming languages.
  513. Mars Trilogy by absolut_kurant · · Score: 1

    Hard SF at its best: Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson. Wellt thought out, and gripping (wel maybe sometimes he does go a little bit overboard when describing Mars) Dan Simmons: Hyperion/The Fall of Hyperion Everything by William Gibson ;)

    --
    Yes.
  514. greg egan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anything by greg egan won't disappoint! permutation city is a fairly good intro to his works i think. diaspora is mind blowing.

  515. If anyone's into alternate military history... by GrodinTierce · · Score: 1
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    Tierce
    Who sponsors your feelings?
    1. Re:If anyone's into alternate military history... by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the post, I just ordered the Cold War Hot title along with another book Amazon was offering in a "buy both and save" deal.

      If you like the doomsday stuff, check out Branch Point, by Mona Clee. I found it to be a fast, engaging read, with the historical point of divergence being the Cuban Missile Crisis.

      ~Philly

    2. Re:If anyone's into alternate military history... by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      Not a lot of detail, but The Indians Won by Martin Cruz Smith (author of Gorky Park) is a fun read and an interesting take on what might have happened had the "Indian wars" of the later part of the nineteenth century taken a slightly different course.

      --
      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
  516. Snot by ishmaelflood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It may not, in your opinion, be as good as his other books, but it is the only one of his I've read, so far.

    I am looking forward to reading his other books.

    Things I liked about it

    1) Intelligent. Not scared of hard things

    2) Funny sense of humour. eg the breakfast cereal thing

    3) Way out there storyline, combined with nitty gritty details (similar to Miss Schmilla's Feeling for Snow)

    4) nerdiness. The nerd-as-protagonist (if not hero) appeals to my inner nerd.

    Still 'non degustebum' and all that...

    1. Re:Snot by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Or the piece about not liking Star Trek, but having seen each episode at least once. He might as well have linked to bureau42.com! (see your Slashbox settings) :-P

      --

      I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
    2. Re:Snot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. Incredible detail.

      Fantastic characterization of the prototypical Philippine sub-cultures:

      1) Altamira's extended family.
      2) Amy's possessiveness + mysteriousness. remember: RAMMING into an Acura and not really being sorry about it.
      3) The guy at Golgotha who constantly covered his mouth as he spoke. ... and that doesn't even count the celtic-gaelic subculture he created. Norway. North Africa. MacArthur.

      Incredible. Stephenson is a stud. Cryptonomicon is a must read.

  517. Pullman by kliment · · Score: 1

    Absolutely definitely Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. If that' s not enough for you, try the mountains of madness and the case of charles dexter ward by lovecraft

  518. Time for a Time Out... by isdfnmo · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming you're going into the IT industry, probably already sat a load of IT exams, probably spend a lot of time in front of your PC ?? I know that describes me pretty damn well, and its books from non-tech perspectives which keep me 'connected' to the real world... There's a sh!t-load more to life than computers. Now's your chance to find out about some of it... Try reading the following instead: Love in the Time of Cholera (G.Garcia-Marquez), Unbearable Lightness of Being (Milan Kundera), Romeo + Juliet (W.Shakespeare), High Fidelity (N.Hornby), Prozac Nation (E.Wurtzel), Roots (A. Haley), Berlin (R. Jenkins) Good luck - hope you read something which changes you forever. isdfnmo

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    quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur
  519. Books to mess with your mind by MickeyJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned this yet, but there's an excellent node at Everything2 with books liable to give you a mind-job:

    http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=101618 4

    It's got Iain Banks, Henlein, Stephen King, and loads of good authors.

    --
    MikeJ
    Mikesroom.org
  520. The Blue Nowhere by mejh · · Score: 1

    In a break from his norm, Jeffrey Deaver released a book called The Blue Nowhere, about a hacker that's killing people using social engineering tactics, and a team that have to track him down.

    It's very well written - I've read it a couple of times now.

    Here is a short summary and an excerpt from the first chapter.

  521. The Road Ahead by www.microsoft.com · · Score: 0

    The Road Ahead it's a must read.

    Superb, excellent, this book really captures the mind. Gates shows how intelligent he is with some of his predictions, which will make our lives easier and safer. May of his predictions are suddenly creeping into the market place.In the book Gates describes how technology has advanced, and of course how he thinks it will further advance. He explains things simply and clearly. The beggining of the book is not to great, but the rest of the book is excellent. As gates says at the beggining of the book, ' anyone who is expecting a biography of Bill Gates has choosen the wrong book'.This is true, Gates is simply acting as a philiosopher in the technological world

  522. Peter F. Hamilton - Greg Mandel books by grey1 · · Score: 1

    3 books set in a "near future" UK changed by the effects of global warming and economic distuption. SciFi thrillers with an interesting background and good characterisations.

    I enjoyed all three. His other work is good too but this trilogy seems closer to a straightforward summer read. Or if you're really quick, a straightforward weekend read...

    --
    "we demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
  523. Nice list by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

    I've only just read "The Forever War", a very powerful book.

    I'd recommend Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey series (there are 20 of them) as a change of pace. Life in the Royal Navy around 1800.

    If you do feel inclined to read them start with "Desolation Island" or "The Post Captain", to get the flavour, as the first in the series, "Master and Commander" is not immedately gripping.

  524. Don't just read one book! by BigAndy · · Score: 1

    Are You Experienced by William Sutcliffe is incredibly readable - very much a sit down and don't move until it's finished job. Very funny and perfect for staying home after college. Fight Club is possibly the best film adaption of a book I've come across and it's arguable that you could do without reading it after seeing the film. However, I just found that I immersed myself in the book all the more because of the film and the impact was equally massive. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is another great film adaption. However, reading the book, you get much more about the humour and the influences of the time. Seriously seriously good. Also, anything by Ian (M) Banks is top quality and of interest to a slashdotter. Finally, Zen and the of Art Motorcycle Maintenance is fantastic (takes a while to read) and The Prophet by Kahil Gibran is one of the most beautiful books I've ever read (takes no time to read) - great soul food.

  525. Noon by Omestes · · Score: 1

    Read all the Jeff Noon you can get. Some of his recent books are hard to get stateside, but definatly worth the search (amazon.co.uk?). I'd read Vurt, Pollen, then Pixel Juice. Kinda like psychodelic cyberpunk with feathers. Must be my favorite obscure author. Falling Out of Cars is also good, but impossible to find. Americans have no taste (being an american I am offended by my own statement!)

    Right now I am reading a very good book, called Six Degrees, by Duncan Watts, its about the science of networks, from a semi-sociological POV, very good.

    Another good book is The End of the American Era, by someone or another. Don't have it in front of me because I'm moving. Very good polisci book. Or Jihad vs. McWorld, by someone else located in a cardboard box right now, also good reading.

    Or you could just go for the classics, read some philosophy. Kant, Kierkriegard, Nietzsche, Plato.

    --
    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
  526. Read more than one book... by firestarter · · Score: 1

    One spare month and you want to read one book?

    Make book reading part of your life - really it's not too late. There's no reason to wait until you have spare time before reading - read as much as you can. A spare month is enough time to leisurely read 10+ books (depending on length...) and expanding your interests outside sci-fi/hacker would expand your mind more too...

    My recommendation? I've bought 'The Art of Travel' by Alain De Botton for a few friends http://www.alaindebotton.com/ . It's a fantastic book, bringing philosophy to daily life. This book will get you into philiosophy and travel... both great things to expand your mind.

  527. Haruki Murakami by iion_tichy · · Score: 1

    I second the Orwell recommendation. But I'd also like to throw in Haruki Murakami. I don't know the english titles, but all his books are good. Especially for summer reads, because they somehow create this feeling of a lightness of being, while at the same time being deeply touching.

    I think my favourite so far is called 'Norwegian Wood' in english. Perhaps for the seriously geek inclined, "A Wild Sheep Chase" would be more appealing, as it has fantasy elements of sorts (I called them surreal at the time, though).

  528. Pynchon by Omestes · · Score: 1

    Read some Thomas Pynchon, Like The Crying of Lot 49, one of the best multi-layered conspiracy novellas out there. Gravity's Rainbow is also a very good, albeit confusing, novel.

    In the same line you can read The Illuminatus! Trilogy, by Robert Shea, and R.A.W., like taking drugs but cheaper. Kinda makes you think about Rummy too, him and that damn Pentagon, IA! Azathoth!.

    Bringing me to Lovecraft, good books, great appeal. Much bad pulp, at its best.

    Or you can do what I did my last summer, read ALL of the Dune books, by Herbert and his son. I mean EVERYONE of them, in order. He really is the best scifi author out there, the scifi analouge to Tolkein.

    --
    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
  529. Jeff Noon by coldcity · · Score: 1

    Check out Vurt by Jeff Noon. It won the 1994 Arthur C. Clarke award, and is a cyberpunk tale that reveals a dark England a few years from now. It rocks. For non sci-fi I would really check out Sap Rising by another English author, AA Gill. The first line is "If you were a pidgeon, you could f**k forty times a day". Funny and sharp, it has moments of extreme debauchery tempered by glimpses of soaring beauty. The Earthsea Quartet by Ursula LeGuin is a good pure fantasy read too.

    --
    coldcity
    code, life, art
  530. The oldies are the best by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    I just finished reading The Day of the Triffids, by John Wyndham. Excellent.
    The old authors are the best in my opinion because they wrote before Sci Fi became so popular and took their subject seriously and weren't in it just to make a fast buck. That's why Tolkein and HG Wells are so much better that the mass of authors that have jumped on the gravy train in the last two decades.

    1. Re:The oldies are the best by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      I just finished reading The Day of the Triffids, by John Wyndham.
      Amen to that. Those who like their SF full of "repolarized bogon tensor matrices" and the like will be disappointed. What Wyndham does brilliantly is make out how precarious our technologically developed world is, by pulling one of the legs off it and watching it go horribly horribly pear-shaped. The book's ending is a darn sight better than in the film too - sea water indeed.
      Some of his stuff (mainly short stories) can be found under the name John Beynon; all his stuff is worth a read.

      Off the sci-fi, but worth a read is Longitude by Dava Sobel; the theme of the lone technologist against pointy-wigged bureacrats is still relevant today.

      And George Orwell; 1984 has been mentioned before, and is perhaps the title with the most obvious tech-appeal, but all his other novels are good reads - not cheery though.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  531. Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Duchamp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter will blow your mind.

    1. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by An+El+Haqq · · Score: 0

      ...will blow your mind--right out of your ass. Rarely has there surfaced a work so deserving of the title "Pompous Piece of Horse Dung" as Goedel, Escher, Bach. The reviews are in--GEB is "Unreadable Garbage" fit only for "those with adequate pocket protection and a sufficient lack of neuronal connections"!!! "If your parrot is complaining that the newspaper is such an obvious target, BUY THIS BOOK!!!"

    2. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by paulsc · · Score: 1

      GEB is an ambitious book, by an ambitious guy with interesting creds. Doug Hofstader was on the team at, I think, U. of Illinois that did the computer proof of the 4-color theorem; arguably the first "computer proof" of a classic mathematical conjecture, approached by the simple strategy of massive computational assault on all cases of the proof. Hofstader was also editor of Scientific American's Amateur Scientist column for a while. 1979 Pulitizer Prize winner. Worth some time, if now somewhat dated.

      GEB is not a novel, not a textbook, not a memoir, not a meme. It's long, and very fun in spots, weaving together some disparate and even opposing ideas. Puli

    3. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by pclminion · · Score: 1
      I love GEB. It's one of the few I always keep on my desk.

      I might also recommend Society of Mind by Marvin Minsky. It's a collection of essays written by Minsky on different aspects of human thought, consciousness, logic, emotion, and learning. It's one of those books that you can read by flipping through it at random, and I love that.

    4. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by wormbin · · Score: 1

      This is a great book for computer scientists!

      One of my favorite parts was when he described a formal language (kind of like a computer langague) The math was very clear and explicit. Then he goes to rename some of the terms of the language to Adenine, Cytosine, RNA, DNA, amino acid, protein, etc. Guess what, you now have a strong, math-based understanding of genetics!

      He crosses disciplines like this throughout the whole book, weaving together: language, math, biology, music, and art.

    5. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by prash_n_rao · · Score: 1

      Maybe after that you can read "Mind's I" by Douglas Hofstadter and Daniel Dennet and "The Emperor's New Mind" by Roger Penrose. These two are not mind-blowing in as many different ways as G-E-B but are mind-blowing, just the same.

      --
      This is not my sig.
    6. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      Actually, Hofstader edited a column called Metamagical Themas, which replaced the Mathematical Games (notice the anagram) column long edited by Martin Gardner. The column was an effort to capture the magic of GEB in a much shorter and more accessible form, and generally succeeded quite well. The column ran for only a short time (maybe a couple of years, max), and was available at one time as a book, with the obvious title.

      More recently, Hofstader published Le Ton beau de Marot, which also looks quite interesting (though I have not yet read it).

      --
      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
    7. Re:Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      I was disappointed by The Emperor's New Mind. Penrose is brilliant, but in this case he seemed to be starting from the conclusion and working backward. It's been eight or ten years, but he really appeared to be reaching in places. I'm not sure whether or not it is possible to produce an artificial mind, but I would not put money on it being impossible. Penrose seemed threatened by the possibility. He did effectively demolish some of the more inflated claims of the AI community of the time, however.

      --
      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
  532. I'd Like to Second That by edonaldson · · Score: 1

    Most of the books I'd recommend have already been mentioned, but I'd like to add a 'second' to...

    Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman - Richard Feynman

    Microserfs - Douglas Coupland

    Crytonomicon - Neil Stephenson

    Cuckoo's Nest - Clifford Stoll

    Hitchiker's Guide Triology - Douglas Adams

    Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency - Douglas Adams

  533. Patrick O'Brien by wilson_c · · Score: 1

    Over the past few years I've really gotten into the novels of Patrick O'Brian. They are stories of the British Royal Navy during the Napoleonic Wars. I've always thought it was a lot like Jane Austen with ships, cannon and spies.

    With 20 books in his Aubrey-Maturin series, it incredibly manages to maintain a high standard of writing and storytelling to the very end.

    O'Brian earns his geek-cred - albeit a 19th century geek-cred - by thoroughly understanding the ins and outs of naval technology of the day.

    It's great, engaging stuff and I can't recommend it enough. After two years of patronizingly calling them my "little sailboat books", my wife started paging through one and was instantly hooked. Two months later, she's on the 7th book!

    Buy "Master and Commander" and you won't be disappointed.

  534. The Matrix and Philosophy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really enojoyed it

  535. Re:How about... project gutenberg by Bazman · · Score: 1
    But keep that open-source feeling by reading something free from project gutenberg. Get the text onto your Palm or other PDA and no need to carry dead trees around with you.

    I've just finished reading Walden, by H D Thoreau, from the Gutenberg e-text. Its basically a story of a man who goes and lives in a shack in the woods for a few years. The irony of reading this on a digital computing device did hit me...

  536. Re:Pynchon! Yes! by McNally · · Score: 1
    "The Crying of Lot 49" was good, and also short - it's a fast read. And you'll start to understand why occasional email systems are named "Trystero"
    ..and why every system I've ever administered has a "Potsmaster" address in its sendmail alias list.
    Yet another recommendation for The Crying of Lot 49
  537. GO OUTSIDE YOU FAT FUCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    The best read is a womans pussy but you fat fucks will never find out, get outside and party

  538. Cuckoo's Egg by Nevrar · · Score: 1

    It's not sci fi, but it's a ****ing good read....

    http://www.ercb.com/brief/brief.0059.html

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    Nevrar
  539. Can't go past Dune by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

    That has to be one of my all time favourites. Having read all 6 books, they do go a bit crazy towards the end but the first one is a definate read.

    Also for a little philosophy check out the Tao of Pooh. Explains a chinese philosophy for Life throught Pooh and Piglet. Really good.

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    -- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
  540. where are the objectivists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm always eager to read posts about rand and her work, looking for something that inteligently represents her ideas, but over the years I've noticed a lack of pro objectivist posts. Being an objectivist myself I understand that most people don't understand and don't care to understand the concepts of objectivism, but where are the few to come to it's defence when it's misrepresented? I get why responces to "Rand Sucks!!!" posts are not really worth our time, but some people post specific attacks which are easily countered by anyone with any objectivist knowledge. One thing she said was that it's not our jobs to go out try to convert people, but it is our jobs to stand up for ourselves and defend our ideas, and at the least let it be known that we disagree.

    1. Re:where are the objectivists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read, rarely post. Why argue with statics?

    2. Re:where are the objectivists? by paulsc · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you missed Nathanial Branden's 1999 "My Years with Ayn Rand". The fact that he waited until after her death to publish this memoir may do him little credit, but he addresses this subject, and many elements of his life with Rand are already matters of record. Her endorsement of him in their time together was utterly unqualified and adoring, and her subsequent rejection of him total. She even went so far as to remove her dedication of "Atlas Shrugged" to him in subsequent paperback editions.

      Having lived his life, and explained his ongoing philosophic and professional evolution, he has a right to his say, and it is an interesting view, not to say a reasoned, and human, incrimination of Objectivism as a working life philosophy, from the one person on earth who Rand once annointed as it's champion. To his credit, Branden is not less than honest about himself in this memoir, but he does limit his comments about his later life somewhat, referencing the interested reader to some of his earlier books, published after his break with Rand. Accordingly, this book is not, in my reading, the anti-Rand polemic that some current Objectivists would have you believe. For those fans of Rand who seek a greater understanding of her, and her work, this is essential reading.

  541. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > Jack Vance's _Dying Earth_ is a classic, and his Lyonesse trilogy should be

    Agreed. And for space opera his Planet of Adventure tetrology and Demon Princes pentology are hard to beat. (As could be said for almost anything else he ever wrote.)

    And BTW, Lyonesse gets less troubling as it goes, and PoA gets much, much, much better as it goes, so if you pick them up and start having second thoughts, hang in there and you won't regret it.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  542. summer read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend the HYPERION series by Dan Simmons.
    The hacking is there, but a little light on facts, but the social discourse on the evolution of artificial intelligences is fantastic!!
    Like eating 80 hits of acid

  543. Another great series by Decafination · · Score: 1

    Those Who were left behind, It is a great series currently 11 books long that deals with the end of the world and the rise of the antichrist. It is a well written and gripping (at least so far). Well worth the read.

  544. good, uplifting classics by one_who_uses_unix · · Score: 1

    I feel a need to understand many culteral references to great literature that pop up in conversation with intelligent/well read people. In my school age and early career my focus was completely on technical/hard-skill related books which left me deficient with regard to the great classics. If you would like to improve yourself and educate yourself in a meaningful way I can recommend the following good, uplifting classics:

    - "Silas Marner", George Elliot, short, easy to read, takes place a few hunder years ago, good human element, nice ending

    - "A Tale of Two Cities", Charles Dickens, long, exciting account of a few individuals around the time of the French revolution, very well written

    - "Crime and Punishment", Fyodor Dostoyevsky, very well written, fascinating view of human psyche, long but worth the read, unexpected but arguably pleasant ending

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    KK4SFV
  545. something from all catagories by milpunk · · Score: 1

    I robot - sci fi
    Who is affraid of Human Cloning? - Philo/Science
    Anthem or the Fountainhead - Philo
    Why Atheism - God?
    Drawing Blood - horror
    1984, We, Brave New World - Distopia

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    The only thing I'm high on is love...Love for my Son and Daughters. Yes, a little LSD is all I need.-Marge Simpson
  546. John Sundman writes a good yarn by khcm8jw · · Score: 1

    Acts of the Apostles, Tounge in cheeck techno thrilla, one of the finer points is that Saddam Hussian intended for the Gulf War to end in his defeat in order to remove Bush from Power. Funny and its a free PDF book too, at last a use for that Tablet PC! http://www.wetmachine.com/acts/index.shtml Nit

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    "They locked up a man who wanted to rule the world, the fools, they locked up the wrong man! L.Cohen
  547. Alastair Reynold's Revelation Space by dann0 · · Score: 1
    Infact, anything by Alastair Reynold is very, very good, but Revelation Space is fantastic and a personal favorite.

    Gibson's Pattern Recognition is also good, but maybe borrow it from the library.

    Finally, Dan Simmons' Hyperion and The Fall Of Hyperion are also brilliant.

    Find a book shop like Pulp Fiction in Brisbane, Qld. Everyone for their recommendations has been excellent.

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    "The big question in our lives is how to be at the same time a hedonist and in a hurry" - Alain Ducasse (?)
  548. Idoru by annset · · Score: 1
    I just finished Idoru, by William Gibson. He writes like Raymond Chandler on hallucinogens, prose spare and jarringly beatiful. Here's a sample:
    Between stations there was a gray shudder beyond the windows of the silent train. Not as of surfaces rushing past, but as if particulate matter were being vibrated there at some crucial rate, just prior to the emergence of a new order of being.
    Lines like that make my teeth sweat. Just amazing Of course, the first sentence Gibson gave the world was "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel," so I suppose it's time to stop being impressed and start taking his skill in stride. But: some things you just don't get used to. Thankfully.
  549. Lensman by SEWilco · · Score: 1
    The "Lensman" series by E.E. "Doc" Smith.
    The first book is "Triplanetary". I think the others all have "Lensman" in the title (other than "Masters of the Vortex", set in the Lensman universe but not part of the series plot line).

    The "Lensman" series is a set of books concerning the most noble set of Good Guys ever to run loose in Science Fiction. A Lensman is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent; and Well-Educated, Athletic, and Relentless, to boot.

    The "Lens" is an artifact, a telepathic amplifier and universal translator keyed to the individual Lensman who owns it, and will kill anyone else who tries to wear it.

  550. ! Mitnick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't read a book by Mitnick unless I pick it up at a garage sale. I won't give money to him.

  551. Re:Vernor Vinge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also anything by Vernor Vinge.
    True Names
    Collected Short Stories
    Across Realtime(The Peace War, Marooned in Realtime, and The Ungoverned)

    He appears to have retired as a professor at
    Department of Mathematical and Computer Sciences
    San Diego State University

  552. Buy My Books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Well, I'd like to recommend you go to eBay and buy my books...

    (Interesting that "mean time" does not mean the same thing as "meantime")

  553. Summer(?) Read by sagwalla · · Score: 1
    It's 35 F here in southern Brazil this morning, but a good book to curl up with is Richard Powers' Plowing the Dark - a combination of VR, art and Middle East politics. Plenty of fictional geekiness - Powers is a programmer.

    Salon review.

    The brief interview that got me interested.

  554. Forge of God by Greg Bear by ziggy_zero · · Score: 1

    I am currently reading Anvil of Stars, which is cool, and the sequel to the amazing Forge of God.

    Definitely look at Forge of God - Greg Bear has a way of incorporating a lot of science into his science fiction (although I suppose most of it in this is theoretical physics, expect to brush up on your geology as well), and he makes you think.

    Anyway, to pique your interest, here's what's on the back cover:

    June 26, 1996:
    One of Jupiter's moons disapears.

    September 28, 1996:
    A geologist near Death Valley finds a mysterious new cinder cone in a very well-mapped area.

    October 1, 1996:
    The government of Australia announces the discovery of an enormous granite mountain. Like the cinder cone, it wasn't there six months ago...

    P.S.
    Yes, it's set in 1996 - that was the not too distant future when he wrote it, back in '87.

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    I belong to the ______ generation.
  555. Read "higher" literature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    I don't mean to be an elitist, but many of the "high literature" books will be a blow to the discerning hacker's mind. Among these:

    Ulysses (and Finnegans Wake), by James Joyce. Two ontological romances (you have to read them and think about them to understand what I mean), with the kinds of word-play hackers adore.

    Lolita - beautifully written, by a man writing in his second language!

    A Clockwork Orange - entirely written in an artificial pidgrim language.

    Anna Karenina - a slow, deeply psychological novel by Tolstoy. Try to use your analytical skills to find the structure for this one.

    Grande Sertão: Veredas - by Brazilian writer Joao Guimaraes Rosa. A precious, nearly-unknown piece of universal literature. Unavailable in English, though, except in a poor translation that does not deserve any credit. (I've read it in Italian)

    Goedel, Escher, Bach - the hacker's Bible? And so much more. Hackers are supposed to be such forward-thinking people. I don't know why, when it comes to literature, most of them reach for the cheaper, more obvious books.

  556. confederacy of dunces by andy666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    by john kennedy otoole.

    this is the funniest book i ever read. otoole wrote it, didn't publish it, then commited suicide. his mom found it and brought it to a publisher, and it won a pulitzer.

    1. Re:confederacy of dunces by NightEyez · · Score: 0

      I agree. Imagine John Candy playing the lead role in this. Too bad he's gone.

  557. The DaVinci Code by SirCodeAlot · · Score: 1

    This book is a non-stop ride through a modern murder mystery set against the search for The Holy Grail. Talks about how chrisitianity perverted the goddess and other 'pagan' religions. LEt's face it any book that has Leonardo Da Vinci and Sir Isaac Newton opposing the church can't be all bad.

  558. Asimov is KING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't believe the Foundation books were not mentioned earlier! These books are an amazing read given the time span between writings. Classic to modern, Asimov's genius and youthful insightfullness through to wise and entertaining experienced authouring. Absolutely brilliant. Even better than 'The Hobbit'...

    Also really liked Niven, Pournelle and Stephens? 'Legacy of Hereot' and that classic 'Dune'... 1984, Brave New World, FF???

  559. How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the bhaghvadghita? it's pop culture or remotely pop. It's a thought provoking read.

  560. Gene Wolfe by JakusMinimus · · Score: 1

    Not hacker-ish in any way but thought provoking and interesting to read (WARNING: Wolfe is a Catholic and religion plays an over-arching role in many of his characters' lives BUT I am also an athiest and still found much, much pleasure in the reading.)

    Wolfe has written 3 series of books known as "The Book of the New Sun". "The Book of the Long Sun", and "The Book of the Short Sun". Each of which is a collection af books and not necessarily a single book in itself (though I do own a limited edition of the New Sun stuff in a single bound hard-cover). Given the names one might assume there was a definite chronology to them--which is correct, in when they were written and when they take place. I't isn't necessary to read them in the order of New -> Long -> Short, however, if you can I do suggest it.

    After reading these books I have begun to devour anything that I can find written by Wolfe; his imaginings are simply to interesting for me to not take notice of.

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    You can be an atheist and still not want to succumb to some weird cross-over sheep disease -- AC
  561. Sci-Gleick-Hacker by MyRuger · · Score: 1

    Non fiction writer James Gleick just came out with a new book on Issac Newton (Computers are easy- try hacking together a model of the universe). If you likes Genius, Faster, and Chaos (which I hope that you've read, if not I HIGHLY remommend them), then you will love this book. My only complaint is that it is way too short.

  562. Ender's Game? Not so amusing... (SPOILER!!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WARNING!! SPOILER FOR "ENDER'S GAME"!! DON'T READ ON IF YOU HAVEN'T READ "ENDER'S GAME"!!

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    While I was about the middle of the book, I ACCIDENTALLY browsed some of the last pages. I spotted the sentence "it was real" or something like that. And somehow I interpolated all that was left to read! I kept reading the whole book, but it lost almost all interest.

    On the other hand, knowing the ending of Neuromancer or LOTR won't stop you from re-re-reading them...

    Am I special or is "Ender's game" a bit too dependant on that plot surprise?

  563. well, if you wait... by bicho · · Score: 1

    If you wait to the 21st, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is supposed to be out. :D

    Expect it will be on hardcover, though...

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    errera hunamum ets
  564. This Alien Shore by Phemur · · Score: 1
    This Alien Shore, by C.S. Freidman. The main plot isn't geek-centric, but the two main characters of the story are a younger, underground geek hacker and an an older, academic Computer Scientist PhD-type, both chasing down the same problem. Very good read.

    This Alien Shore

    Phemur.
  565. good reads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being Digital - Nicholas Negropointe

    One of the best ive read.

    1. Re:Good reads by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      Stephen Donaldson's first Covenant trilogy was very good. The second not quite as good. He also wrote an interesting two-book set, The Mirror of Her Dreams and A Man Rides Through, which I found to be a bit of a tougher read, but a fascinating examination of some interesting ideas. His best series, though, IMHO, is the Gap series. Definitely not to be missed. He has also written a couple of short story collections that are worth reading.

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      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
  566. Books for my kid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about helping me find books that are okay for my kid to read? As a 5th grader, she reads high-school level literature, but I don't want her reading anything above a PG-13 reading level... At least not by my recommendation.

    Any good stuff that isn't laden with obscenities and sexuality?

    1. Re:Books for my kid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any good stuff that isn't laden with obscenities and sexuality?

      No.

  567. Re:Jack Womack, Jeff Noon,Dick, Wilson, Brautigan by Dr.+Smeegee · · Score: 2, Informative
    Another dandy in this vein would be Kurt Vonneguts Sirens of Titan. And of course who could go wrong with a salting of Robert A. Heinlein? Try a short story collection first, then maybe The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (which contains some food for thought in light of our country's new preoccupation with "liberating" other nations). Any Stanislaw Lem. Ooh and I have yet to run onto a Bruce Sterling book that does not scrape the mucous off my brain - especially the Scizmatrix stories.

    Damn! I wish it was saturday!

  568. Otherland Rocks! by jburgess · · Score: 1

    Tad Williams' Otherland series is absolutely incredible, I'm about halfway through it right now, and I'm loving it!!

  569. Or not.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....if you would rather not read about teen boys with erections getting hanged. You are warned.

  570. I you want to be promoted to management (...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Le Prince", Nicolas Machiavel (I'm sure there is an english translation).

    The best ways to learn and understand human underlyings. If you want to easly manager ...

  571. best book you'll ever read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think all these peeps recommending fiction books are funny. Just what we need, more escape from reality.

    Try a real book: It wont even cost you a dime...it's called Aint Nobody's Business if I Do. The entire book is free on the web...Here's a link -

    http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/toc.htm

    You will learn more from this book than you will from any fiction garbage. Read it and find out how fucked up we are about combining morals and government - one could think the Taleban are alive and well and living in Washington DC. This is a book that *WILL* change your life.

  572. Gene Wolf writes extremely well by lysium · · Score: 1

    I was hoping to see Gene Wolf up there. His imagery is dark yet very vivid, like good black-and-white photography. Perhaps more of interest these days would be a later work, the Book of the Long Sun , which features, among other things, programs masqurading as gods and a populous that has no idea they are in the cargo hold of a failing ship in space. The Matrix has sci-fi influences beyond cyberpunk, you know....

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    Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
    1. Re:Gene Wolf writes extremely well by fuzzdawg · · Score: 1

      Gene Wolfe is better than Robert Jordan IMO.
      Great imagery, with a poetic style; original stories and unique characters, he blends sci-fi and fantasy together so well, it will blow your mind.
      Get anything by him.

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  573. Plutarch by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    Anything by Plutarch -- especially his biography of Caesar.

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    -kgj
  574. Re:Jack Womack, Jeff Noon,Dick, Wilson, Brautigan by Dr.+Smeegee · · Score: 1
    Oh, and Tortoise's Millions Now Living... is good too.

    The world may kiss Dave Pajo's samoan heiney!

    Pajo Mythos Story #334: My former business partner used to sit next to him in a religeon class. For his final essay question he -pen in each hand- ambidextriously drew a very disturbing demon face in his blue book and turned it in with the comment "essay's aren't my forte'."

    Whaddamarroon

  575. What about.......... by de_via_nt · · Score: 1

    Zodiac, Hacker and the Ants, Distractions, Holy Fire, Headcrash, Heavy Weather, American Gods, Neverwhere, Good Omens, any Robert Heinlein (personal favorite), any Isaac Asimov. While most of these are not considered classical literature they are all excellent reads. Crytonomicon was also a great suggestion.

  576. Hacking's history by jbhopper · · Score: 1

    Hackers by Stephen Levy is a classic (sadly out of print) non-fiction accounting of the origins of the computer culture at MIT (mainly) and other places. His first (and best) book really captures the ways and means of the hacker pioneers. You can still find it in many libraries. Takes you back to when a "hack" meant more than running port scans using other's code.

    1. Re:Hacking's history by crwfrd · · Score: 1

      YES. This is the book that got me my first job in computing. My boss-to-be had just read it, and we mentally connected through its pages.

      It's *outstanding* coverage of the founding of the hacker culture. A wonderful book.

  577. H2G2 by roogles · · Score: 1

    What about Douglas Adam's Hitchiker's Trilogy. I've read them at least a hundred times, and still enjoy them when I pick them up.

  578. Amazon Link by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 1

    Nice slip of the ref. link there...

    so how much have you made so far?

    1. Re:Amazon Link by lunachik · · Score: 1

      Oh come, come now. *Every* potential commercial interest has to be insidious? If you want to be a jerk, you could expect every title mentioned in this thread is secretly self-promotion.

  579. Varley (anthologies), Saberhagen (berserker), Bear by jlusk4 · · Score: 1

    Good list. I'd forgotten about Saberhagen. His Berserker stuff is good, too, if less dramatic than stuff like Snowcrash.

    I shy away from trilogies and series these days, they're generally just ways to get you to buy a lot of paper (kind of like really big vegetables with no taste) (Asimov's _Foundation_ series and Robot Novels being the exception that proves the rule).

    Try Varley's anthologies, _Persistence of Vision_ and _Blue Champagne_. Very creative and humanistic.

    Also, Greg Bear writes some good stuff. I think his best is _Queen of Angels_, but _Moving Mars_ was pretty good, too.

    Joe Haldeman (_Forever War_, _All My Sins Remembered_ (can't believe that's out of print)) might be good reading in these days of kicking ass in foreign countries and then not quite knowing how to win hearts and minds.

    David Drake: another Vietnam vet, with a somewhat different take on things than Haldeman :).

    Also, try Keith Laumer.

    And I remember a book named _The Man Who Folded Himself_ that was the best treatment of time travel I ever read. (Hmmm. bn.com tells me I'm not the only one w/this opinion, either.)

    Brust: I tried Jhereg or Yendi (can't remember which) -- blech, too bombastic, hard to get into. Instead, I recommend _Brokedown Palace_ (which has absolutely nothing in common w/the recent move of the same title -- I'll always wonder if that was a result of a conversation I had with someone in the film industry at my aunt and uncle's house in N. Hollywood one Thanksgiving).

    John.

  580. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by zaphod110676 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is my take on Jordan as well. The WoT got stale. I put it down in the middle of book 7 and haven't picked it up since. Every now and again I feel the urge to pickup where I left off but then I slap myself not wanting to commit to a series that looks as if it will go on for most of the rest of my life and never actually get anywhere. Describing it as a vortex that is difficult to escape is accuarate in my view

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    To Do: 1. Take over world 2. Pick up Milk and Bread on the way home
  581. Various types by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 1

    consider this list slightly eclectic...

    The Wind-Up Bird Chronicles, Haruki Murakami. Maybe I'm crazy, but this is one of the most simultaneously beautiful and depressing works of fiction I've read, probably ever. Very stream of consciousness.

    Metaplanetary, Tony Daniel. I would consider this very original hard scifi- takes place around 1k years from now, humanity heavily integrated with nanotech. Some awesome imagery and really cool representations of what we could become (especially the cloud ships).

    Mcteague, Frank Norris. Takes place in turn of the century (the last one) San Francisco - an 'American tragedy', it explores materialism in a very effective and upsetting way.

    Game Theory and the Law, Douglas Baird et al. A weird fusion of two very different areas, which attempts to apply game theoretic concepts to the formulation of laws. Got a bit tiring at the end, but interesting nonetheless.

    I'll throw in some miscellaneous at the end - Towing Jehovah, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Denial of Death, Freud: Darkness in the Midst of Vision. Enjoy!

  582. The Forever War by Joe Haldeman by nsteussy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Excellent sci-fi. You will enjoy it.

  583. Vinge's True Names invented cyberpunk by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 1

    I've never heard someone give the credit for inventing cyberpunk to Vinge's Across Realtime series before.

    His earlier story True Names is often given that credit though.
    It's also one of my favorite cyberpunk stories. It got more things right about the internet and hacking (before there was a real civilian internet) than most modern stories on the subject. And it kept twisting your perception of who was who, and what was actually happening, right up to the end. And that's not to mention it contains one of the sweetest, most interesting, internet romances I've ever seen.

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    "The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
    1. Re:Vinge's True Names invented cyberpunk by D-Fly · · Score: 1

      Ralph's right of course. I was thinking of True Names when I wrote the bit about cyberpunk, I suppose. The Realtime series plays with a lot of the augmented reality augmented consciousness ideas Vinge came up with in True Names, but True Names is the story/novel that "invented" cyberpunk.

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  584. Check out those shorts on her... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found myself with the same problem a few months back, and I'd recommend you pick up a series of short stories/novlets. For Science fiction, look for Science Fiction Writers of America Grand Masters (3 volumes that I know about) its got a pretty good sample of writings of the so-called 'best' writers in sci-fi. For fantasy, I enjoyed Legends. That way, not only do you have the bonus of putting down the book for other activities (most shorts take 2hrs or less to read), but you also get a nice sampling of a bunch of really good writers, to followup at the bookstore/library.

  585. Rudy Rucker by bhhenry · · Score: 1
    Rucker is a geek-hacker himself. The series composed of Software, Wetware, Freeware, and Realware starts off with intelligent robots on the moon, but launches off from there into wacky and interesting territory. He also has a new book, The Hacker and the Ants, which I have not had the pleasure to read yet.

    Also check out Spaceland, A Novel of the Fourth Dimension, which is a tribute to the classic novel about a character in two-dimensional space, Flatland by Edwin Abbott.

    And while I'm at it, anything by Gene Wolfe, especially the Book of the New Sun series. Also, for fantasy and goth fans, try Storm Constantine's Wreathru books.

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  586. some new science books by misterpies · · Score: 1

    Anyone who's looking for a thought provoking new science book might want to check out the shortlist for the Aventis Prize.

    Here's the lowdown:

    Small World, by Mark Buchanan
    In brief: Starting with the philosopher Karl Popper and finishing on Malaysian fireflies, this book covers research often neglected by popular science publications, such as computer networks and cellular biochemistry. Buchanan reveals how networks have been uncovered in all areas of life. With extraordinary examples covering everything from the KGB to the spread of syphilis, he outlines how discoveries in complexity science could lead to a new kind of physics.

    Reckoning With Risk: Learning to live with uncertainty, by Gerd Gigerenzer
    In brief: Everyone should read this book. Not a catchy headline, but it's surprisingly compulsive, untangling concepts such as frequency and probability, using real examples from DNA fingerprinting to HIV testing and mammograms.

    The Extravagant Universe: Exploding stars, dark energy and the accelerating cosmos, by Robert P Kirshner
    In brief: A supernova expert describes how an American team provided new insights into the expansion of the Universe and the mysterious dark energy that pervades the cosmos. It provides lots of colour from the frontline of astronomy. It's a good read and a clear guide to some of the key debates in cosmology over the last century.

    Right Hand, Left Hand: The origins of asymmetry in brains, bodies, atoms and cultures, by Chris McManus
    In brief: A fabulous read for any left-handers and - come to think of it - for all right-handers, too. It poses questions most of us never even think of, such as "Why are most people right-handed?" and "Why is the heart on the left-hand side of the body?" It draws on art, philosophy, medicine and physics to provide illuminating answers.

    The Blank Slate: The modern denial of human nature, by Steven Pinker
    In brief: Explains why many intellectuals today deny the existence of human nature and argue instead that each of us is a tabula rasa on which the environment writes. With his trademark stylish writing, wit and flair, Pinker is a top-notch guide to the latest thinking on that age-old debate over nature versus nurture. It is hugely enjoyable and thought-provoking.

    Where Is Everybody? Fifty solutions to the Fermi Paradox and the problem of extraterrestrial life, by Stephen Webb
    In brief: Webb writes with verve and humour about the possible answers to the question once posed by the brilliant physicist Enrico Fermi: "If alien life exists, where IS everybody?" It's a down-to-earth guide to some of the latest thinking on staples of science fiction such as extraterrestrial life and interstellar travel.

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  587. Reading Tad Williams now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm reading Tad Williams Otherworld right now... I had toyed with picking it up for years each time I saw that hard cover edition leaping from the shelf at the bookstore... the guy in the office across from mine turned it up in a box at work a few days ago.. and gave it to me... but I'm not ready to put an opinion out on it just yet.

    However, I would recommend these books - "Tigana" by Guy Gavriel Kay was one of my assigned readings in university for a Sci-Fi Fantasy fiction course (also Ender's Game!) and I really enjoyed it. Then, a few years ago while I was on a business trip I noticed Kay's Sarantine Mosaic series, "Sailing to Sarantium" and "The Sarantine Mosaic". I bought the first one and took about 1 year to get past the first 30-40 pages... I got into the practice of putting in my carry on in hopes that I would finally read it. Anyway, on a trip one night I finally got a few pages further and then the story exploded, I finished the book a day later, picked up the second book and changed my flight home so that I could have a longer stop over in the airport.. and I just read. Had the second one finished when I got home! I loved it that much... but a friend of mine that I've encouraged to read the series agreed that getting past the first 30-40 pages is tough.. so many names to keep track of - takes notes!

    Also, I read Crichton's "Time Line" a few months ago, I had received it as a Christmas gift a few years ago, but never got to it. Then a few months ago I was not sleeping so I pulled it off the shelf - and still didn't sleep much, it's a fun read.

    And one more for now - "Blindness" by Jose Saramago. I have convinced my complete circle of friends to read this, and everyone is awestruck by it. Highly recommend...

  588. Nancy Kress by myaki · · Score: 1

    My recommendation would be for Nancy Kress (who amazingly enough does not seem to have been mentioned yet). She has some wonderful bio-engineering sci-fi books. She has a great feel for characters and believable sci-fi, what-if scenarios. A must-read for a sci-fi fan.

  589. Altered Carbon by idries · · Score: 1

    by Richard Morgan.

    Just finished it and it's great, reading the sequel now. Basically it's a cyber-punk detective story. The technology is centered around people being able to download themselves into different bodies, which is handy.

    Also, the Arabesque series (Pashazade is the first) by J.C. Grimwood is a must read. Again, slightly detective-ish.

  590. Re:Varley (anthologies), Saberhagen (berserker), B by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    _Jhereg_ was Brust's first published novel AFAIK, and shows that badly---I suspect _Yendi_ was written before it and it shows---his writing gets better in the later books, becoming quite introspective, and even changing point of view in _Athyra_ and _Orca_.

    William

    --
    Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
  591. How about Crichton? by yodha · · Score: 1
    If you are looking for lighter but certainly interesting stuff, why not read the books by Michael Crichton?
    • Andromeda Strain
    • Airframe
    • Jurassic Park
    • Lost World
    • Prey
    • Sphere
    • Rising Sun
    • Great Train Robbery
    • Disclosure
    1. Re:How about Crichton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice list. Stop after The Andromeda Strain.

  592. Good hacking book by frieked · · Score: 1

    Try "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Clifford Stoll
    Linky

    A sentimental favorite, The Cuckoo's Egg seems to have inspired a whole category of books exploring the quest to capture computer criminals. Still, even several years after its initial publication and after much imitation, the book remains a good read with an engaging story line and a critical outlook, as Clifford Stoll becomes, almost unwillingly, a one-man security force trying to track down faceless criminals who've invaded the university computer lab he stewards. What first appears as a 75-cent accounting error in a computer log is eventually revealed to be a ring of industrial espionage, primarily thanks to Stoll's persistence and intellectual tenacity.

    --

    I have often regretted my speech, never my silence.
    -Xenocrates
  593. 2 recommendations by joto · · Score: 1
    The first is "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas Hofstadter. If you haven't read it, it's the essential geek book, covering everything from...well the title should give you a clue... Read it! (watch the reviews at amazon.com if you are unsure).

    The second is "The Power of Myth" by Joseph Campbell, Bill Moyers, and Betty Sue Flowers. This is also a geek book, although geared more at humanist geeks than computer geeks. It is really just one hell of a long interview with comparative mythology über-geek Joseph Campbell, who knows more about comparative mytholo gy than, well, anyone. If you have ever wondered why it is common to celebrate marriage for example, this is the book to read. And also if you feel that modern society must have lost something important in the process of becoming modern, and want to understand exactly what that is. Ok, it's not as good as the previous book, but still very essential reading.

  594. The Eyre Affair by utoddl · · Score: 1
    Branch out a little and try to wrap/warp your mind around The Eyre Affair [Jasper Fforde, US softback edition Published by Penguin, February 2003], a history bending retro Sci-Fi romp through yesterday's future with Thursday Next, the Special Operations investigator who's trying to save some of the world's seminal literature from having never been written.

    Who wrote Shakespeare? Who Invented the banana? What really happens when a bookworm farts? Don't read this book unless you want to find out.

    1. Re:The Eyre Affair by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      And the sequel, Lost in a Good Book, which someone also cited earlier.

      --
      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
  595. Golden Compas trilogy by Philip Pullman by jljensen · · Score: 1

    Although the trilogy is "targeted" at young adults, The Golden Compass and the rest of the series are a great story of alternate universes and Paradise Lost, revisited. Adventure, witches, mythology, religion and metaphysics, oh my.

    The series is "His Dark Materials", and the books are The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass.

  596. Re:How about... project gutenberg by Hellkitty · · Score: 1
    Excellent choice. This is a great project that is full of a wealth of wonderful literature choices. I highly recommend Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad. It's a pretty quick read, but full of thought provoking ideas of modernism and imperialism.

    If you are looking for some decent non-fiction, philisophical reads, take a look at Immanuel Kant. His works are not currently in project gutenberg, but can be downloaded here - http://books.mirror.org/gb.kant.html.

    Of course, if you are still stuck on needing a good geek read, you can always download the first 100,000 prime numbers from project gutenberg and memorize away.

  597. Larry Niven by ecsmith · · Score: 1

    Pick up something by Larry Niven the author of Ring World. He's got a great collection of short stories out now. I picked it up last year and loved it. It starts with some real old short stories and get into some of his more modern work.

    Great read.

    Also if your just looking for one quick novel "Ring World" is great.

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    hmmmm...what? Oh, I left this stupid .sig on?
  598. Anything by Hofstadter by gosand · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Anything by Douglas R. Hofstadter.

    Godel Escher Bach, The Mind's I, Fluid Concepts and Creating Analogies, or if you are adventurous and don't mind getting headaches from thinking about things, Metamagical Themas.

    All his books from Amazon , but I would go to best book buys to find the best prices on them.

    My wife has read Le Ton Beau De Marot, and she loved it. She has her masters in French Linguistics, and found this book in the bookstore at the same time that I found Metamagical Themas. We were kind of surprised when we went to check out and found that we had found books by the same author in different sections of the bookstore. Hofstadter is a very smart and interesting guy, and writes some awesome stuff. I think that GEB is a must read.

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  599. Infinite Jest by grungy · · Score: 1

    Infinite Just (David Foster Wallace) was a great book: that and Cryptonomicon are two of my favorite "pulp" reads. They both seemed written just for me: lenghty, engaging fiction written to me as a 13-year-old. Jest was funnier: definitely worth a read.

    1. Re:Infinite Jest by tcyun · · Score: 1

      http://degelau.com/books/InfiniteJest.html

      A friend of mine has an interesting "I don't get it" review that might be interesting to some out there.

      Personally, I thought the book was interesting in a meandering sort of way. However, I think it is vaguely suspicious that the book's footnotes (yes, a piece of fiction with copious footnotes) are longer than many novels.

    2. Re:Infinite Jest by grungy · · Score: 1
      the book's footnotes (yes, a piece of fiction with copious footnotes) are longer than many novels.

      Oh, yes, I should have said the first time: the footnotes are some of the best stuff in the book. If you pick it up, definitely read the footnotes!

    3. Re:Infinite Jest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gist of this review seems to be:

      "Infinite Jest is hard, I didn't understand it. I want to be spoon-fed. Wahh!!!!!"

      Perhaps the fellow should enroll in some remedial literature classes; he seems to have missed out not only on the subtext of IJ and Underworld, but also on the general notion of literary subtext.

      What a sad and pathetic little man...

  600. CPI (Was:Tom Clancy later stuff is shite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife and I have developed a formal name for this, the Clancy Pontification Index (CPI). After one of us has read a book of his, the other will decide whether to bother based on the CPI. My wife's theory is that once Clancy became weathy, he offed his editor. Consequently, not enough red lines.

  601. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 1

    Seconded. I bought a copy of the book (hardback, even) a couple of months after I bought my bike on numerous recommendations. While there are parts that appeal to the biker in me, the book is great even without the biker appeal. I've been told that a lot of people (bikers, mostly, as that's the crowd in which I hear about it most) read it annually, and get something new out of it every time. I'm still working on my first reading, and have been for six months--I'm in the "meaty" part, and I can't read more than about ten pages at a time and really digest the material; it takes several days of pondering to really "get it." If you're interested in something intellectually stimulating, pick up a copy. Oh, and if you don'get the new one, don't read the foreword before the main story; it gives away too many details that would better be left to figure out.

    --
    Moderate drunk! It's more fun that way!
    1. Re:Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by mekkab · · Score: 1

      Thirded.
      OKay, riddle me this: WTF are "points" on a bike?
      Aside from having to adjust the carberator (sp?) when travelling up in altitude, most of the cycle stuff was above me- yet in a wierd way it kind of made the book some-what sci-fi like (what with all the tech talk) and appealed to me as an engineer.

      I read it nightly for about 6-8 months, and its a cracking good read. TAKE NOTES. Even better, underline good passages and use tape flags or post-its to mark the pages.

      I read the foreword first, and I don't think it ruined my appreciation of the book one iota, but YMMV ('mileage' pun intended).

      P.S.- have any of your buds read the second book? Thumbs up or down? (I'd prolly re-read the first before I hit the second head-on).

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      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    2. Re:Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by nytes · · Score: 1

      OKay, riddle me this: WTF are "points" on a bike?

      Ahhh, back in the days...

      "Points" are (were?) in the distributor. I assume that motorcycles would have them. They open and close according to the rotation of the rotor (another part of the distributor). Think of it as just a variation on a switch - closed = conduct current; open = no current.

      It's been a long time since I've looked, but I think most new vehicles rely on solid state electronics rather than the mechanical stuff, so you may not find points (or even a proper distributor) on a newer engine.

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      -- I have monkeys in my pants.
  602. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  603. Re:How about... (OT OT OT) by Vann_v2 · · Score: 1

    There's a reason nearly every major philosopher in the 19th century at least alludes to Kant in their works. I can tell you it's not because he managed to confuse them.

    My post was in no way endorsing Kant's philosophy as such, only holding it above Rand's insofar as it is actually has something interesting to say.

  604. excellent vocabulary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the thing I really noticed about Donaldson was that he managed to commit the great (and common) sin of word fascination. He would get hooked on a somewhat obscure word and use it over and over, at least once per chapter. I wish I could remember one of them now. It was so bad that every time I'd hit the word I'd groan. This is all through the first four books (where I stopped).

    More than anything else, this gave me the impression he had a poor vocabulary.

  605. MOD PARENT UP! Two thumbs up! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    I have finished it. I've also read "Neverwhere" by Gaiman (which i thought kinda sucked...) and by far this book is the JAM.

    Its really good. And by really good, I mean its great.

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  606. no one mentioned Harry Potter "V"? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    And the bookstore rush with 50 million of favorite neighborhood kids on June 20th?

    Personally I find the books lightweight and choppy, even for kids.

  607. try reading... by fluid_amp · · Score: 1

    I've enjoyed reading just about everyting from Michael Morecock - eternal champion of the metaverse series is well written, fully imagined and a good page turner. Also, though not really a sci-fi author, I found out about Thomas Pynchon from the back cover of Snowcrash. His book Gravity's Rainbow has the ability to blow your head off if you want something challenging. Enjoy!!!

  608. Good read by Darkseer · · Score: 1

    Atlas Shruged by Ayn Rand Its an intersting perspective on capatialism, and it is a sci-fi book. You get cultural goodness and tech in the same basket. Granted things mainly get as advanced as a really uber railroad, but consider the publish date :). The line I like from the book the most so far, to paraphrase: "What is you saw atlas, the god who holds up the world bleeding and struggling under the wieght of the world? What if the harder he struggled the hevier the world got? What would he do? ..... Shrug." Or if your political bend is a little differnt, "The Moon is a Harsh mistress" by Heinlien. Both good sci-fi... both good reads.

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    BOFH, My model for being a sysadmin :)

  609. Mod parent up! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    I've finished it (kinda, there are parts you only leaf through) and I think this is a great book.

    Get it with colored text- its pretty freaky!
    Its starts off like an academic paper (complete with footnotes) and devolves (in a lovecraft kind-of-way) into madness and unkown evil. I can't recommend this book enough!

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  610. Term Limits by Vince Flynn by jeepliberty · · Score: 1
    Term Limits is a political thriller. It was reviewed here.

    Tag line: Taking America back...one politician at a time.

  611. ishmael by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not *entirely* sci-fi, but it certainly fits the audience. also, it's sequel 'story of b'.

  612. 90% of Everything is Crud by rrwood · · Score: 1
    Theodore Sturgeon said that 90% of everything is crud, and he is right. After wading through a lot of books, these are ones I would recommend:

    Marooned in Realtime, Fire Upon the Deep, A Deepness in the Sky - Vernor Vinge

    Welcome to the Monkey House, Slapstick, Sirens of Titan, Galapagos, Cat's Cradle, Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut

    The World According to Garp, A Prayer for Owen Meany - John Irving

    American Gods, Coraline - Neil Gaiman

    Ringworld - Larry Niven

    Just about anything by Theodore Sturgeon (YMMV on that one)

    Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - Robert Pirsig

    The Tao of Pooh - Benjamin Hoff

    The Fionavar Tapestry - Guy Kay

    Catcher in the Rye - JD Salinger

    There are lots more, but this is what popped into mind....

  613. Re: A good summer read by alancdavis · · Score: 1

    Wilhelmina Baird : Snowcrash, Clipjoint, Psykosis Also a reasonable list at : http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/cpace/scifi/cpunk.h tml

  614. Otherland? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a tons of free time try the Otherland Series by Tad Williams. 4 books and a major investment of time, but well defined plot and characters. Borders on Fantasy due to it VR worlds and not as technical as Gibson but still decent.

  615. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by pete-classic · · Score: 1
    ** SPOILERS **

    I thought the ending in the book made more sense.

    The ending in the film was too Hollywood. Too pat. "Oh, he shot himself in the face and now everything is great. We haven't really discussed a sense of love between "Jack" and Marla, but they're the male and female leads, so just have them hold hands."

    As I remember it the movie gives even less attention to what happens to the space monkeys than the book.

    what happened to the bomb in the building where the narrator is sitting?


    He says repeatedly that paraffin never worked for him. The building didn't blow up.

    He ends up in an institution. That's why he gets letters from Marla, and God has diplomas on the wall.

    As far as the space monkeys go, it is hard to be sure, since the story is told by someone who is hopelessly delusional, but it seems likely that either they continue without him (as implied by the winks from the orderlies) or that they were all delusions in the first place. Depends on how much faith you put in the narrator's account and just how delusional you take him to be.

    The book seems unfinished - bits of it don't make a whole lot of sense.


    I think that the fact that the story is narrated by someone who is gravely mentally ill has something to do with this.

    Again, I like the movie more, as movies go, than I do the book, as books go. If that makes any sense. But I think that the book is quite good.

    The movie has more to say. At least more that I find interesting and relevant to my own life. This is probably the crux of why I like the movie better. And the main reason that the opposite is usually true.

    -Peter
  616. If you like Vinge, have you tried John Brunner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Shockwave Rider is brilliant sci-fi, since it anticipates many of the current issues of a networked world, and did it back in 1973 (or so).

    William Gibson is a hack by comparison.

    I also like his other stuff a lot; Traveller in Black is well worth a look.

    Let me just mention the Berserkers series as well.

    By Fred Saberhagen

    Thank you.

  617. I second that by mekkab · · Score: 1

    I seconded it elsewhere, and I'll second it here-
    [blue]House[/blue] of leaves is a masterful work that descends into madness. Read it.

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  618. Not just the usual suspects by FrankMachine · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised at the absences in some of these lists. The top SF contemporary authors, IMHO, are Iain Banks (with or without the M.), Greg Egan and Kim Stanley Robinson. That is not to slight Jonathan Lethem, Jeff Noon, Steven Brust (look beyond the admittedly entertaining Jhereg), and the topical Susan R. Matthews. In particular, Greg Egan is the inheritor of Arther C. Clarke's "hard science" mantle, except with better, more well-rounded stories. I believe the most recent novel is "Schild's Ladder". Driven by quantum vacuums and peopled by quantum computers, he develops his theme of intelligences moving between computational substrates. (See "Permutation City" and "Diaspora") The previous "Teranesia" is more concerned with evolution. Recently I've enjoyed Jon Courtenay Grimwood's novels ("redRobe", "Pashazade", "Effendi" and others). They own a significant debt to Gibson but with original variations on the cyberpunk themes. But if you are after a _real_ geek book, look no further than the brilliant novel by Katherine Dunn, "Geek Love".

  619. After only 1083 Comments by hafidhahullah · · Score: 1
    I must be too late. But here are my recommendations:

    1. Rebecca West, Black Lamb and Grey Falcoln.

    2. Laurence Durrell, The Alexandria Quartet.

    3. Hermann Hesse, Steppenwolf.

    4. David Christian, The History of Russia, Central Asia, and Mongolia, Volume I.

    5. Mikhail Sholokhov, And Quiet Flows the Don.

  620. volume 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The volume 5 of the harry potter series is coming out in a few weeks. don't miss the midnight launch parties :-)

  621. Great Reads by redirkulous · · Score: 1

    I would highly recommend the following: Memory, Sorrow, Thorn series by Tad Williams (only fantasy I have read that rivals Tolkien) Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (philosophical and really deep) Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus by Orson Scott Card (fun, quick, easy read) Forever series (War, Peace, Free) by Joe Haldeman (wonderful books) Thomas Covenant series by Donaldson (great fantasy)

  622. random, important for todays reality by zogger · · Score: 1

    Lucifers Hammer, Niven and Pournelle novel, classic in it's genre, probably (arguably) the best

    Unintended Consequences, John Ross novel, very good detailed past to present to future look at politics, freedom issues,technical isses as related to the phenomenon of self defense as a born with right, and how the US has dealt with these topics and possible future scenarios (the government hates this book, should be a clue how good it is). It might drag the first 1/3 for maybe younger people, but being very similar in age and background and interests to the author, I have to emphasize the background is extremely important to "get" the entire novel.

    Patriots, Surviving the Coming Collapse, James Wesley Rawles novel, similar to above, but all the technical details are absolutely correct, a rarity in most novels, and I'll assert that as his subject matter is my top interest and skill set. This is a technical manual disguised as a novel, a pretty interesting combination that was pulled off well.

    Civil War II, by Tom Chittum analysis, future trends and probabilities, with the stats, details, etc documented so you can see where the analysis comes from, reads almost as fast as a good novel, and so far his predictions are almost completely correct

    for fun,sort of stealth philosophy in an extremely good "americana" readable form, an older author now deceased, anything by Robert Ruark, earlier works better than latter

  623. I don't know if anyone will read this far but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Harry Potter is great for a light good fun read.
    Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is FANTASTIC.
    and finally go read some Douglas Coupland like Generation X or Miss Wyoming.

    Fave pics from a scottish geekess anyway.

  624. you've inspired me by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
    I really like your book index. I've been thinking of reviewing the books I read, and putting them into a similar index, and now I have to say you've inspired me to "get to it".

    Thanks for the inspiration :)

    Cheers

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    Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
  625. Go with the Classics - The Secret Agent by joebok · · Score: 1

    Forget _Neuromancer_, IMHO _The Secret Agent_ by Joseph Conrad is the first cyber-punk novel. Written early in the 1900's I believe. Excellent read! (Here is a little about it: The Secret Agent.) It's got conspiracy, terrorism, p0rn - what else do you need?

  626. Book rec by djMaxM · · Score: 1

    The heck with sci-fi, try bio-sci... I enjoyed Darwin's Radio (Greg Bear) very much. The beauty of programming with genes... Also enjoyed Prey by Michael Crichton even though it's like a 20 minute read. (exaggeration)

  627. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The feeling that I am always left with after reading one of these stories is that slashdotters tend to have really, really bad taste in literature.

  628. RCHE Red Hat Certified Engineer Study Guide by MoronBob · · Score: 1

    I have been enjoying this one for the last couple of months. The Savage Nation by Michael Savage is entertaining also.

    --
    Telecommuting! What about socialization?
  629. How about SciFact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are willing to read historical books, I would strongly recommend "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes. Its been a few years since I read it, but I remember it being very interesting and a better page turner than some novels. This book basically follows the scientific developments from around 1900 all the way through the Manhattan Project.

    "Dark Sun" also by Richard Rhodes follows the development of the Hydrogen Bomb. However, it has some overlap and is not quite as exciting.

    Also in the history of Technology genre, I would recommend "The Invention that Changed the World: How a Small Group of Radar Pioneers Won the Second World War and Launched a Technological Revolution" by Robert Buderi.

  630. I VOTE by adamshelley · · Score: 1

    Cryptonomicon. dope book. 900 or so pages but a geek piece fo sho.

  631. Could Ender's Game have been more formulaic? by georgeha · · Score: 1

    Ender's Game was a nice read, but I found it far to manipulative and formulaic for me to heap the praises on it that seem endemic here.

    Let's see, lets take a young, scrawny hyperintelligent sort (like most sf reading geeks) who is hated and misunderstood (like mmost sf reading geeks) who is a seriously dangerous murdering badass when pushed (like most sf reading geeks want to be) who can rationalize his morality any way he wants (like most sf reading geeks) who has a latent talent to be the best strategic general in the history of mankind (liek most sf reading geeks want to be).

    The only way OSC could have made it more of a geeks wet dream was to have the prom queen of Ender's original school kiss him at the end.

  632. Hail Eris! by mazarin5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you liked Gibson, then you would love:
    The Illuminatus! Trilogy
    by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson

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    Fnord.
  633. To broaden your horizons... by voxelman · · Score: 1

    The Science of Being and the Art of Living
    by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

    Also his commentary on the first 6 chapters of the Bhagavad Gita.

  634. Re:Short Story Recommendations?? (try updike) by shakah · · Score: 1
    Speaking of John Updike, the "Rabbit" series (four books) is also very good.

    And for short stories, have you read the "Prize Stories nnnn: The O. Henry Awards" series? It's published every year, and each has around 20 "of the best" short stories published the previous year.

  635. Heinlein, Stephenson, Herbert, Morehouse by Scholasticus · · Score: 1

    Heinlein's books are dated now, but the guy was definitely ahead of his time:
    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
    Time Enough for Love
    The Number of the Beast

    I know it's already been mentioned, but 'Cryptonomicon' is a double- maybe triple-read. 'The Diamond Age' is also good.
    I don't know if anyone has mentioned these, but the 'Dune' series is interesting as the story of a society which has completely eradicated computers (the Butlerian Jihad) - Herbert did some interesting things with how such a society would have to compensate (mentats - the human computers).

    For something different and new, you might want to check out Lyda Morehouse's books: Archangel Protocol, Fallen Host, and the upcoming Messiah Node for an interesting mix of postcyberpunk, action, and religion (very well researched).

  636. Re:Close To the Machine! by ellen ullman, programm by paulsc · · Score: 1

    She has a new novel out now, "The Bug", which is more of the same. See http://www.salon.com/books/int/2003/05/16/ullman/i ndex.html

    for an interesting interview from 5/16/03.

  637. The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes by cdunworth · · Score: 1
    This was reviewed a few months ago here on Slashdot. On the recommendation, I picked it up -- and it is absolutely fascinating (I am 80% finished).

    The author does a formidable job chronicling the Manhattan Project, deftly blending politics, biography, history, and science into a suspenseful and intensely engaging story. The science and the scientists really take center stage, which endows the book with unmistakable geek appeal. It's long (800+ pages), but so very worth the time.

  638. Newton and Knuth. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Well, Liebniz would have probably had a few words with Newton about that, and Newton, being the scrooge that he was, would have set fire to Liebniz, or something similarly pissy.

    Knuth didn't invent algorithmic analysis; his innovations are mostly in how the data is presented, in an incredibly dense and informative manner. (TAoCP.) If he'd patented literate programming, it'd be even less popular than it is now, and if he'd patented TeX, it'd just be another proprietary format that no one used after 1985 or so.

    Knuth did say "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. [...] There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." Great guy. Says he's gonna write Book Four any day now, too.

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  639. Graphic Novels... by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
    I haven't seen them listed here yet, but don't have the time to wade through all the comments.

    Watchmen.
    Dark Knight Returns.
    Ronin.
    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

    That should get you started. :)

  640. My Recent Reading List: by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 1

    The one I can most strongly recommend is "The Risen Empire" by Scott Westerfeld. A very interesting Sci-Fi universe created, in a future where impending war is almost guarenteed to be lost by a society that has "swallowed the pill" so to speak, regarding IP to the extreme. As well, I am currently reading The Peshawar Lancers, a wonderful bit of alt-history, about a post-comet impacted world, ruled more than less between a British Empire and a Russian Czarship. Any of the Harry Turtledove series will get you through the summer, as well as make you think about things. For pure beauty, my vote goes towards Salmon Rushdie as well. Read his books from start to end, and you can see the evolution of one of the most interesting people of our time. Comedy? Pratchett or Adams, of course. Non-Fiction? Some really good books out there now. The one I would recommend is "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock. Politics, deception and human drama all roled into one!

  641. Anything by Isaac Asimov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, the Foundation series (the original trilogy) would be a good bet because they can be finished quickly while you are busying doing other things.

    Highly recommended!

    --Joey

  642. Michael Lewis - Moneyball by Maple+Leafs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd suggest Moneyball by Michael Lewis, a book that follows Oakland A's GM Billy Beane through the 2002 season.

    Yes, I know, the idea of reading a book about sports is probably not appealing to most slashdotters. But this one may be different. Essentially the book describes how Beane and his staff of math geeks and computer nerds have been able to succeed on a low budget by employing some radical ideas about player talent evaluation.

    If you've ever wanted to see a real-life case study of the smart kids beating the jocks at their own game, this is it.

  643. some of my recent favorites: by stiller · · Score: 1

    Authors:
    -Umberto Eco (translated!)
    -Iain Banks
    -Michel Houellebecq (translated!)
    -Ludlum
    -John Cheever
    -Chrichton
    -Gabriel Garcia Marquez
    Books:
    -Life of Pi, Yann Martel
    -Watership down, Richard Adams
    -The great Gatsby, Fitzgerald
    -Microserfs, Douglas Coupland (still nice)
    -Future Shock, Alvia Toffler
    -any Ripley book, Patricia Highsmith
    -1984, Orwell
    -Dr. Zhivago, Pasternak
    That's about all I could think of now.

  644. Here's a few by ciderpunk · · Score: 1

    L'etranger, Albert Camus - because you just need to. The Last Days of Christ the Vampire,JG Eccarius - Jesus turns out to be a vampire who's zombie followers are trying to destroy the world through nuclear annihilation. On Having No Head, DE Harding - zen classic. Mutual Aid, Pyotr Kropotkin - the argument is that co-operation within a species is a more powerful factor in evolution than competition, a bit dated but worth reading for its anarchist politics

  645. Gibson by ryber · · Score: 1

    If you liked Neuromancer I highly recomend count zero and mona lisa overdrive which are kind of related but not exactly a trillogy.

    Virtual Light is also quite good.

    all as William Gibson of course!

  646. _Infinite Jest_ by David Foster Wallace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Possibly the best futuristic novel you're likely
    to encounter. And reading it will provide you
    with oodles of postmodern cachet.

    (Don't waste your time on adolecent b.s. like
    _Ender's Game_ or the latest Larry Niven wankfest
    for heaven sake!)

    After you chew through IJ, try _The Tunnel_
    by William Gass, _Auto da Fe_ by Ellias Canneti,
    or _Gravity's Rainbow_ by Thomas Pynchon.

  647. Fresh meat by Iglooz · · Score: 1

    Here are some suggestions I haven't seen yet:

    Sarah Zettel has some great SF, especially her earlier books. "Fool's War" is one of my all-time favorite books, and "Reclaimation" is good too. Definitely of interest to hacker-types and computer-folk!

    Alfred Bester writes top-notch science fiction. "The Stars My Destination" is incredible.

    In general when I'm looking for a new book or a new author, I like to go into the bookstore, pick up some likely looking book (maybe something by an author I've heard of and never read, or something on display, or just anything that catches my eye), and start reading it. If I get through a couple of chapters and don't want to put it down, I buy it and take it home!

  648. Non-hacker series... by shanestyle · · Score: 0

    I really enjoyed the Wrinkle In Time trilogy by Madeleine L'Engle. After the trilogy there are some other books involving the children of the main charachters. Great books.

  649. reading material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest the Dark Tower series by Stephen King.

  650. Onyx and Crake by PrairieFire · · Score: 1

    I have read Douglas Adams, Herbert, Heinlein (good when he isn't obsessing with sex), Card (Ender's Game IS that good), Gibson, etc. but dont' want to suggest any of that stuff because as a slashdot reader you most likely have already read it. I just finished reading the new Margaret Atwood novel Oryx and Crake. I have to say I was pleasently suprised, not normally being a fan of hers (even though I am Canadian and should be for patriotic reasons). It deals with the results of playing to much with nature but has an underlieing story of how misfits deal with life. http://www.oryxandcrake.com

  651. Hyperion three book series by Hagar129 · · Score: 1

    by Dan Simmons

    Hugo award winning novel

  652. Great Resource by goodviking · · Score: 2, Informative
    The best resource I've found for finding out about new Fantasy/SF books is THE INTERNET TOP 100 SF/FANTASY LIST.

  653. Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World by Haruki Murakami is a very good book - raises some interesting philosophical questions; my current favourite book :)

  654. Cryptonomicon by Etriaph · · Score: 1
    It's my favourite Neal Stephenson book. If you haven't read this, buy it bar none. It takes place a little ways into the future and during WWII as well.

    Seriously, this is *the* book.

    --
    "It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
  655. For Those Who Need a Perspective Change about Work by know_op · · Score: 1
    A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole

    This is one of the great American novels that everyone should read during these times of unemployment and potential unemployment. Ignatius Riley is a true icon of the working man. His ennui and slothful stupor as a worker is completely hysterical. This book will put anyone in a better mood.

  656. Oldy but Goody by tandu53536 · · Score: 1

    How about The Bible? It's got some neat stories, some timeless wisdom, and some stuff to trip up bible thumpers. It is one of the foundations of our civilization, and a good book to know even if you don't believe.

    If you do believe, it's required reading.

    1. Re:Oldy but Goody by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      How about The Bible?
      but only the King James version; the modern English translations have about as much poetry as a VCR manual.
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Oldy but Goody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bible

      A poorly integrated mishmash of bad science fiction and lurid fantasy. Read it for the humor - it's best seen as a parody of a serious mythological work.

  657. Not really geeky but great by szmccauley · · Score: 0

    Vernon God Little by DBC Pierre and you should be able to plow through it in a day, if you put your mind to it.

  658. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1
    The ending in the film was too Hollywood. Too pat. "Oh, he shot himself in the face and now everything is great. We haven't really discussed a sense of love between "Jack" and Marla, but they're the male and female leads, so just have them hold hands."

    Everything is not great. The narrator's last line is supposed to be ironic. He's rid himself of Tyler (or merged with him?), but the buildings still got blown up and the space monkeys are still out there. We don't know quite what's going to happen, and that's good. We do know that the narrator always fancied Marla and has been in denial about it - that was the reason for Tyler coming into being in the first place!

    As I remember it the movie gives even less attention to what happens to the space monkeys than the book.

    Where, when?

    what happened to the bomb in the building where the narrator is sitting?

    He says repeatedly that paraffin never worked for him. The building didn't blow up.

    I meant, in the film. It doesn't seem like Tyler wants to kill himself, but the film shows that there is a bomb below the building where the narrator and Tyler are going to watch the destruction from. Maybe it was supposed to detonate later than the others. However, I think in one of the DVD commentaries this is mentioned as being a mistake.

  659. Great List by michaelredux · · Score: 1

    Nice recommended reading list.

    I'm inclined to check out the ones I haven't read, because in addition to the fairly obvious classics mentioned fifty times previously, you also listed a few favorites, like "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", that I didn't see mentioned anywhere else in this thousand-plus-message-thread.

    Ever think about putting a link to that list on your home page?

  660. Some new cyberpunk by roboclod · · Score: 1

    Try Cory Doctorow's novel, "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom". It's even available online at craphound It's technical, it's satire, it's black comedy, it's totally relevant and very entertaining. For best effect, download the ebook version and read it on a handheld.

  661. GEB cures math anxiety by Tim+Fraser · · Score: 1

    Setting out to read GEB is like setting out to conquer Everest. I've made three attempts over the last eight years, determined to understand it fully and solve all the exercises. I've never made it all the way, but I've gone a little farther each time, and each time I've come away having learned something new.

    My first time was as a 2nd-year undergraduate. My roommates and I were racing to see who could read it first. We raced up to the first exercise, and immediately hurled ourselves upon the problem, beating on it with our antelope thighbones like the primitive ape-men at the beginning of "2001 -- A Space Odessey". After untold hours of frantic amateurish hair-pulling, one of us finally read on past the exercise and found that its was unsolvable (*). We were all pissed-off that we'd been had, and that was the last I looked at GEB for several years.

    But... I eventually came back for another try. This book has helped me to understand what a formal system really is, and what "proof" really means. It's a good cure for math anxiety; this understanding can help you use these tools to solve problems when designing software.

    Perhaps it's time to make another attempt.

    - Tim

    (*) Before the GEB fans attack me, I seem to recall that the first exercise was a challenge to derive a given string using the axioms of a small formal system, also given. If you'd done this sort of thing before, you could probably tell right away that you couldn't derive the target string, but to a newbie it wasn't as obvious. After you wrestled with the problem for a while, you learned in a very concrete and unforgettable sort of way. :^)

    1. Re:GEB cures math anxiety by nacturation · · Score: 1

      I read this when I was in my early 20's and it took about a month. I wasn't familiar with the formal system concept before, but it became obvious that it was unsolvable after you recognize the repeating patterns. The puzzle you refer to is specifically the "Can you produce MU?" question or, specifically, "is MU a theorem in the MIU-system?". Clearly, the answer to these questions can be either "yes" or "no". That you felt you were "had" indicates you hadn't considered the possibility that there could be a non-yes answer.

      --
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  662. Not fiction, but a must read to understand life by maitas · · Score: 1

    Doglas Hofstadter's "Godel Escher Bach"

  663. Hasn't anyone mentioned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    _The Structure of Evolutionary Theory_ by Stephen Jay Gould? Can't get geekier than that.

    (And it's a nice antidote to the blue-sky speculations of "evolutionary psychology" and "selfish gene" nonsense.)

  664. non geek, but worth reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Try something non geek, but worth reading. Theres a big world out there.
    I've read the following two recently - The New Rulers of the World - John Pilger & Reffer Maddness - Eric Schloser. Both are worth reading. Alternatively take a look at Stupid White Men by Michael Moore.
    Fiction wise, Spider by Patrick McGrath, Body of Evidence by Jon Banville and No Great Mischief by Alistar MacLeod would all rate up in my recent reading as being good.
    Sci-fi, take a look at anything by Ian M. Banks or else for the fantasty stuff try some Tad Williams, both excellent. Morgan Llewellyn has done some beautiful takes on Irish legends which could be worth taking a look at as well.
    Finally if your up to it take a look at Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. Beware, its not easy reading, but its one of the best books I've ever read. But beware of following into its theories.

  665. Tolkien by sindarin2001 · · Score: 1

    I agree with many of the sibling posts that Tolkien is, indeed, VERY descriptive, and that's why I love his works. Your Readers Digest condensed edition is what's wrong with many writers today. They write novels that are meant to be a quick read. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these novels are bad by any means, but rather they don't have the depth...the reality that Tolkien creates. Sure his songs can get obnoxious, but I would rather have them there to enhance the depth of Middle Earth than to cut them and become a flat, lifeless world. (And I'm sad that they cut the Ents warsong from the movie...that would have been great :-) ).

  666. What does a cypress tree look like? by Interrobang · · Score: 1

    There's where Tolkien falls down: Endless, endless descriptions, many of them without the appropriate points of reference for modern readers. I can't get into Tolkien; he and I have nothing to say to each other. Personally, I don't care if he invented his own languages for LOTR; Marc Okrand did that for Star Trek, and no one considers him to be a genius of fictional linguistics -- and I'm not sure if I'd read fiction by Noam Chomsky, either, and he's one hell of a linguist and a not-bad writer -- did you ever see that paper he wrote where he tap-danced on B. F. Skinner? Whew!

    Personally, speaking to the 'hacker' mentality, if you wanted to broaden your reading horizons a bit away from straight techno-fables (as good as those might be), I'd recommend some speculative fiction that deals with "What if?" type questions, specifically along the lines of alternate history:

    For instance, Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream asks the question "What if Adolf Hitler hadn't been kicked out of art school and had gone on to a career in commercial illustration, then writing, instead?" Likewise, Spinrad's The Mind Game asks "What if a Scientology-like cult took over Hollywood?" ('Trancendentalism' in the book is a very thinly-disguised Scientology clone. In my more tinfoil-hatted moments I can't help but wonder if The Mind Game is part of the reason Spinrad's been virtually blacklisted in North America!)

    Also, Yevgeny Zamyatin's classic novel We asks "What if Communism ruled the world?" (This book makes a nice tryptych with 1984 and Brave New World, by the way.)

    For a more technological bent, Gibson and Sterling's The Difference Engine asks "What if Babbage's Difference Engine had actually worked?" Another similar technologically-inclined fable, Jack Williamson's The Silicon Dagger asks "What if a gang of hard-core Libertarians had the means to create their version of Utopia in the middle of the United States?" Although it's not a terribly good novel, per se, it's certainly thought-provoking.

    Books such as these are different from the usual sort of SF which postulates a scenario and the rules in which that scenario works, because they start with known history or events, and extrapolate, either by asking "What would have happened if X happened (instead)?" or "What would have happened if X had not happened (instead)?" It's also fun to do your own thought-experiments along these lines, once you get the knack. :)

    Another benefit of these books is that they're mostly older and can be found at most libraries, ergo, for free. :)

    1. Re:What does a cypress tree look like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's where Tolkien falls down: Endless, endless descriptions, many of them without the appropriate points of reference for modern readers.

      I'd really like to know even one of these endless, pointless descriptions, quote it here for discussions along with the surrounding paragraphs so that we have a sense of what you're complaining about.

  667. Re:Kavalier and Clay by Ars-Gonzo · · Score: 1

    True, it's not exactly a geek book, but it is pretty geeky.

    I called it dense because I found myself going back and rereading passages because I felt I'd missed something. There's subtexts in almost every paragraph, and some of the actual sentences are beautiful. It's due for a re-read sometime soon.

    Dense isn't a bad thing. I enjoyed it more than just about anything I've read in the last year.

    Once you get done with K&C, grab a copy of Summerland. You'll not regret it.

  668. 1.5 suggestions by strombrg · · Score: 1
    this is an awesome intro to an even more awesome game.

    But it's hard to go wrong with Goedel, Escher, Bach if you're into philosophy of maths.

  669. correction by Tim+Fraser · · Score: 1

    Actually, "the last eight years" should have been "the last 12 years". Dang, I'm getting old.

  670. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by pete-classic · · Score: 1
    All good points.

    Since I have no relpy I'll just quote a Haiku from the book (that didn't make it to the movie):


    Watching white moon face
    The stars never feel anger
    Blah, blah, blah the end


    -Peter
  671. For the ultimate swashbuckler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading the musketeers series by Alexandre Dumas is like injecting adrenaline straight into your blood stream.

    The Three Musketeers
    Twenty Years After
    Ten Years Later
    Louise de la Valliere
    The Man in the Iron Mask

    Online in about any format you could hope for

    1. Re:For the ultimate swashbuckler... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      I must agree, and add to it that if you haven't read the Three musketeers since High School or before, YOU MUST READ THEM AGAIN. Oddly enough, I actually enjoyed the recent Dicapprio Man in the iron mask, after having re-read Dumas.

      --
      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
  672. Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan by AudioGeek · · Score: 1

    Read "Altered Carbon" by Richard Morgan.

    Great story. Great technology. Awesome action. Drugs, sex, etc. What more could you want?

    This is a book I picked up totally by accident and it turned out to be one of the best sci-fi/cyberpunk type stories I've read in a long time.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/03 45 457684/qid=1054224499/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-327340 9-5060159?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

  673. Reading by Arpie · · Score: 1

    What about a few summer books, as well as books for fall, winter and spring???

    I don't mean to troll, but c'mon one book for the whole summer? I know schooling systems are getting worse everywhere, but I expected more of the /. crowd.

    Reading is good for you. Books stimulate your brain, improve your writing skills, and good ones are fun as hell to read! (Even the not so good ones can be fun, sometimes).

    My picks would be anything by Robert A. Heinlein, Frank Herbert or Isaac Asimov. Maybe also Phillip J. Farmer or Gordon Dickson. Don't want Sci-Fi, how about Umberto Eco? Feeling esoteric? Try Fritjof Capra. If you're also onto trippy stuff, how about Carlos Castaneda (he's just passed away, so let's pay him homage).

    On a final note, take some suggestions you find in this thread, spare a couple of hours and go to a local library or book store (used or new). Get a few books and enjoy. Oh, and please don't watch the movies (like these: RAH, FH, PJF) instead of the books. Only afterwards... maybe.

    --
    /* TAANSTAFL */
  674. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Actually, Daneel was invented in The Caves of Steel.

    Yes, I blew that one. I meant Caves of Steel, which is really much better than the Naked Sun.

    Gibson perfected it and made it what we know it as today in Neuromancer.

    Sure, but the original article already mentioned Neuromancer. I thought that having read Neuromancer, Shockwave Rider would be very interesting.

  675. The Origin of Consciousness in the Bicameral Mind by booksleuth7 · · Score: 1

    by Julian Jaynes. Does this book explain god and God consciousness ? You decide.

  676. Harrison, Turtledove and Clarke by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 1

    My recommendation for good summer reading, based upon my past summer readings, are three good SciFi authors. (well - one is alternative history but I'll get to that)
    Harry Harrison: The Stainless Steel Rat series. Or Bill the Galactic Hero. Not hard SciFi, but a very good read and very funny.

    Harry Turtledove: Well renowned for "Guns of the South" where time travellers introduce AK-47's to Lee's army at Gettysburg, changing the outcome of the war. While he's got lots of great alternative history, some of his other works are very good stand-alone reads or series that don't have as much alternative history:
    Agent of Byzantium: James Bond, Byzantine Empire style
    The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump: Funny reading, and a very interesting take on what modern life would be like if everything was based on magic today.
    Videssos Cycle series: A legion from Rome gets transported to an alternate dimension of magic and sorcery. Much better than it sounds, and the character development in this story is excellent.

    Arthur C. Clarke: If you haven't read any of Clarke's works, you should really pick some of them up. They're hard SF, so much of what is presented, while fiction, is based on good science fact. Rather than reading the 2001: A Space Odyssey, I would read the full version: The Lost Worlds of 2001, instead. Many of his other works (Fountains of Paradise, Rendevous with Rama, The Sentinel, Childhood's End) are also very good ones worth reading.

    This summer for reading I'm going to focus on Robert Heinlein, who so far I've liked what I've read (Starship Troopers, Stranger in a Strange Land).

    --
    -When going for broke, go for Ithaca!
  677. My favourite geek books... by james_bray · · Score: 1

    "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution"

    Good history of how open source came about.

    "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet"

    Exactly what it says on the tin. Another great book.

    "Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software"

    Kindof an auto-biography. Actually a GPL book IIRC ;-)

    James

    --
    http://www.reeb.freeserve.co.uk
  678. Across Realtime = The Peace War + Marooned in RT by slithytove · · Score: 1

    I borrowed all three of these from the library not long ago- it turns out that Across Realtime is just a compilation of the other two. I highly recommend it though- and all Vinge's other books too.
    I especially hope he makes a novel or series out of his short story "fast times at fairmont high" (to be found in True Names and other stories)

    Michael

  679. Suggested Reading by FizzingFurryGuy · · Score: 1

    Gotta love Peter F Hamilton. I'm not sure how widely known his name is, but he writes some truly brilliant worlds and characters (Night's Dawn Trilogy being top of my list). Also Larry Niven. The 'Known Space' series, and 'Ringworld' series (they may be the same series, it's been a while). Happy Reading. Of course, being in the UK I'll still be at uni for another four weeks...

    --
    "It's not getting what you want, it's wanting what you've got."
  680. Good reads by Theresa+Bean · · Score: 1

    Try reading some classic Sci Fi, such as Jules Verne. Journey to the Center of the Earth is the mental equivalent of a popcorn flick, and H.G. Wells's Time Machine is good despite the god-awful movie adaptations that come out.

    If you can find The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, it's a fun series, a sort of cross between Tolkien and Piers Anthony (In his early Xanth/Incarnations heyday). It's currently out of print, but it was written by a man with the last name Donaldson.

    I also recommend V.C. Andrews's Foxworth, Casteel, and Cutler series, which start with Flowers in the Attic, Heaven, and Dawn respectively. Formula fiction? Yes. Total trash? You bet. But good to take your mind off the real world, and much better paced than soap operas.

    For the same reasons, check out some Harlequin Romance novels.

    I think it's good to be well-rounded in one's reading. Not all books have to be high literature, and I've always associated summer reading with something light and forgettable. It's fun to read trashy formula fiction for the same reason we like to see stupid disaster movies with predictable endings. Save the heavy tomes for the gloom of winter next to the roaring fire with a mug of cocoa (Irished up, of course).

    --




    There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't.
  681. Just graduated, eh? by Peterus7 · · Score: 1
    How about, "How to find a job when the economy is fucked."

    Actually, I know this seems like a stupid suggestion, but starting out with the old sci fi classics can be the best... Battlefield earth, Dune, the forever war, etc.

    Or Terry Prachett can be nearly addictive.

  682. The Metamorphosis of Prime Intelect by Count_Zer010 · · Score: 1

    I'm almost hurt that after about 1200 posts, nobody has mentioned this amazing book. Ok so it's an online story but the depths in wich Roger Williams goes to describe the thought patterns of an A.I. Acquiring knowledge is quite interesting. Also, the whole idea of people who can't die or live trying to reach for the extremes in pain and pleasure that once made them feel human keeps me coming back to this story tima and time again. It's a very quick read though I do caution anyone who is easly offended by sex or violence to stay away. http://www.kuro5hin.org/prime-intellect/

  683. Try Vince Flynn instead by eclipsemgp · · Score: 1

    Fairly easy to read and they all connect with each other. Secret agents, double crosses, politcal storylines. Good story and fast paced. The books in order are Term Limits; Transfer of Power; The Third Option; Separation of Power. There is actually a 5th book that just came out.

  684. Mary Stewart's Merlin Trilogy by LokiFoo · · Score: 1
    Haven't seen this mentioned yet but I really enjoyed this series:
    • The Crystal Cave
    • The Hollow Hills
    • The Last Enchantment
    • The Wicked Day


    The Arthurian legend from Merlin's point of view. Good story teller...

    1. Re:Mary Stewart's Merlin Trilogy by LokiFoo · · Score: 1

      D'oh! okay...trilogy + 1, my bad.

  685. Who cut yours off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two-holed freak

  686. Too broad a question but... by elmusafir · · Score: 1

    Try Philip Jose Farmer's four volume epic "River World". Great reading. I did enjoy it thoroughly the first time around and still do so every other year. elmusafir

  687. Computer: Bit Slices of a Life by rsclient · · Score: 1
    A neat originally-paper-but-now-HTML book is "Computer: Bit Slices of a Life" by Herbert R.J. Grosch at http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/computer.html

    He started off with non-computer punchcards doing Neat Astronomy (two thousand hours of hand-calculations resulted in re-finding the eighth moon of Jupiter), and from there jumped into computers with IBM. His comments on the inner workings of IBM, both good (Watson, Sr. could approve your project in an hour) and bad (he got chewed out for eating a prune), are priceless.

    He was involved in the world first Very Sucky Computer, the IBM 602 "Calculator", which was so bad it was silently replaced by the "602A" -- which was a totallly different machine, despite the name.

    But unlike us, he actually had dates :-)

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  688. What to read... by pottymouth · · Score: 1

    Try the old Larry Niven Jerry Pournelle books like
    Lucifers Hammer, Footfall, A World Out Of Time,
    etc.. These are great stories and real page
    turners. Not the hardest of hard SciFi but they
    try not to break too many laws of physics.

    Skip Mitnick's book. I paid $1.99 for it on clearance and it wasn't worth it....

  689. Good Math Reads (not an oxymoron) by andrewdm · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're interested in hacking, I think you might find some books on math interesting. There has been a slew of books lately that have done an excellent job of making seemingly inaccessible math issues very comprehensible to the layman. To put it in context, I have philosophy and law degrees and the last math class I took was half a year of calculus in high school a long time ago. Nonetheless, I found the following fascinating:

    The Code Book: The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography by Simon Singh - Singh does a great job of tracing codes and codebreaking through history without getting too heavy on the math. Great for historical context.

    Fermat's Enigma: The Epic Quest to Solve the World's Greatest Mathematical Problem, also by Singh - I never knew mathematicians had such personality. Great story of centuries of failed efforts and finally personal triumph.

    History of Pi by Petr Beckman - Beckman is a bit zealous and manages to make his politics come through even in this book that does nothing more than explain how different cultures first realized the relationship between the diameter of a circle and its circumference and then how they figured out how to calculate it. Very interesting for its blend of math, history and cultural relativism.

    1. Re:Good Math Reads (not an oxymoron) by pottymouth · · Score: 1


      That's funny. I've read "The Code Book" and
      "History of Pi" and I agree with you on both
      counts. "The Code Book" was great! I'll have
      to try the other Singh book you mentioned.

      Thanks,

  690. Do not give in to the dark side by gecko02 · · Score: 1
    Hello binaryhead,

    It sounds like you have a bright future ahead of you, if you stay out of trouble. I can only assume by your interest in hacker biographies that you are also interested and/or curious about hacking. Or, perhaps you are already involved in it.

    I would ask you think carefully about what you might be getting into.

    Hacking can be very exhiliarating because of the sense of power and intellectual achievement that comes with it. But, it is not without great risk, and their are many other ways of achieving a similar sense of achievement without resorting to hacking.

    You may feel young and invincible right now, but I would ask you to consider where you want to be, 5 years from now..10 years from now. How would having a criminal record impact your ability to seek employment?

    Stay curious, but be safe.

    Cheers,
    -Mike

    1. Re:Do not give in to the dark side by eweiland · · Score: 1

      Hacking is not bad. Hacking in it's original meaning is more about the love of computing rather than the dark and sinister meaning that the "mainstream media" has given it. What you are thinking of is "cracking" or breaking into a computer system to do damage or not simply because you can.

      Go forth and hack. It is good for us.

      Read about it here:
      http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/introd uction. html

      Eric

    2. Re:Do not give in to the dark side by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Hacking can be very exhiliarating because of the sense of power and intellectual achievement that comes with it. [...] 5 years from now..10 years from now. How would having a criminal record impact your ability to seek employment?
      Since when has knowing about computers been a crime? Or are you a tabloid reading muppet who doesn't know the difference between a hacker and a cracker?
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  691. Re:How about something truly bizarre... by op51n · · Score: 1

    Perdido Stree Station (followed by The Scar) by China Meiville. Truly bizarre book - a cross between The Diamond Age and Discworld, only a little more steampunky and weird. Excellent books.

  692. Dan Simmons by jefu · · Score: 1
    Dan Simmons is a fantastic writer and well worth reading. Its not all that techno/geek oriented but my favorite novel of his is "Song of Kali" which has a fantastic opening page which is too long to quote here - but the opening paragraph gives a bit of the flavor :

    Some places are too evil to be allowed to exist. Some cities are too wicked to be suffered. Calcutta is such a place. Before Calcutta I would have laughed at such an idea. Before Calcutta I did not believe in evil--certainly not as a force separate from the actions of men. Before Calcutta, I was a fool.
  693. Cory Doctrow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom a few months back after seeing a review on The Screensavers and found it to be a fun read. You can get it here, and you can get a copy for free. http://www.craphound.com/down/

    If you like the Frank Herbert Dune series at all there are some new books that are pre-history to the first books. I think that there are three.

    Also, I'm liking Pattern Recognition.

  694. The guy is nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you've ever heard Cliff Stoll talk, you'll know he's just on the near side of raving lunacy. He likes to sit on top of tables, talks at about 3000 words/minute, and drinks chocolate milk like a fish. (like a fish that drinks chocolate milk-- nevermind).

    He is very competent and capable with technology, but at the same time acts like a neo-luddite. Iirc, his book reads like this: "So then we patched into his stream to trap requests & fake commandline output. After that I went out for a bike ride and thought, 'wow, how sad it is that most people are inside instead of out here enjoying the beauty of nature.'"

    If you don't believe me, read Silicon Snake Oil!

  695. Just keep reding /.!!! by xv4n · · Score: 1

    Isn't /. reading scifi-geek-hacker enough for you or what?? Look no further man!!! =)

  696. DUH..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RED HAT 9 BIBLE!....

    Persionaly I am thinking about picking up a C# book, cause that is in demand, and will be for the next few months at least!

    ALL ABOUT THE PAEPA's (contracts that is)

  697. How I spent my summer vacation by ripcrd · · Score: 1

    1239th post!!!
    If you got as far as this post yuo've probably already wasted you're entire summer vacation. I just read "All Tomorrows Parties" by William Gibson. And it SUCKED! I don't know if I'll ever be able to pick up another Gibson book after that letdown. He definitely forced the post-semi-apocalyptic future. I also just got finished with Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" and that was a fun quick read. Actually i didn't read it, I got the audio book from the library and finished in four days during my commute.

    --
    --Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot.
  698. Re: Tolkien song complaints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trick to enjoying the songs is to SING them (in your head, at least). Pick a melogy and sing the words to it. It makes a world of a difference.

    Here's Nimrodel's song. Try it!

    http://tolkien.cro.net/talesong/nimrodel.html

  699. My picks in no particular order by tabby · · Score: 1

    Larry Niven's Ringworld, Ringworld Engineers
    Greg Bear's Queen of Angels
    Ender's Game
    1984
    Rendezvous with Rama
    Asimov's Foundation

    Also worth mentioning 'Not wanted on the voyage' by Tom Findley is a darkly satirical look at Noah and the Flood.

    --
    I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
  700. Re:Cryptonomicon, Earth, A Deepness in the Sky, HH by kaszeta · · Score: 1
    David Brin - "Earth" is an epic plot weaver, the ultimate internet, combined with some interesting physics, maths and enviromental outcomes. I needed 6 bookmarks to read that one.

    "Earth" is quite good, I second the recommendation, although I also recommend a number of bookmarks.

    I just finished "Kiln People" as well, which while I thought it was a little weak at points, in general it was very well written and had some nicely converging storylines.

  701. He read Snow Crash already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But yeah, Cryptonomicon is good. Stephenson never bothers with a denouement, though; his books end right after the climax.

    Lovecraft's short stories are entertaining, but most of his mythology operates on the premise that none of us mean jack shit in this universe, and there are a lot of really nasty entities that see humans as either scenery or prey. If you want a more optimistic treatment of Lovecraft's universe, try reading Brian Lumley's Titus Crow novels.

  702. Re:You read one Lovecraft story you've read 'em al by tabby · · Score: 1

    Although I like Lovecraft's vision I found a lot of his work to be long winded and repetitive. A friend of mine pointed out one story (Shadow out of Time I think, time travel demon possesssion thing) which just seemed to have a lot of redundant language in it. And it occurred to me that if I was being paid per word by a magazine I would do this too. Lovecraft needs editing.

    --
    I've experiments to run, there is research to be done on the people who are still alive.
  703. People's History of The United States, Howard Zinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it IS the book mentioned in Good Will Hunting but don't let that stop you. A must read for Americans more than non-Americans... the foreigners - we already know this stuff!

  704. Perdido Street Station by China Mi�ville by PollyJean · · Score: 1
    As soon as I saw the original post, I knew I was going to recommend Perdido Street Station.

    PSS is the best novel I've read this year. It takes place on a world called Bas-Lag. It's never specified if this is another world, Earth at another time, a parallel universe, or what. It doesn't matter. It's a beautifully rendered, immersive world that's easy to believe whilst reading this novel.

    The story is kind of science fantasy - it has fantastic elements with a scientific sensibility. It revolves around a scientist named Isaac Dan der Grimnebulin who is hired to do an unusual job. He's an outsider at the university where he works and is considered a bit of a maverick. As a result of this job, Isaac becomes entangled in a great deal of intrigue.

    What's geek about this book? Well, first there's the world it takes place in. Every little detail contributes to the whole - and geeks tend to like well-rendered worlds. Then there's the steampunk aspect - many modern scientific ideas with Victorian technology. There are also some obsolete theories (phlogiston gets mentioned, for example) that are fun to read and look out for. And, without giving too much away, there's an unusual take on artificial intelligence.

    The political issues in the novel are also interesting. Miéville has a doctorate from the London School of Economics, and it's obvious that politics and economic systems are something in which he takes a great interest.

    I had the pleasure of meeting Miéville this past weekend. He's very smart, extremely interesting and nice to his fans - which is exactly what one might expect from reading his books. Others have mentioned his other two novels - The Scar, which also takes place on Bas-Lag, and King Rat, which takes place in contemporary London (and is not related to the Bas-Lag novels). Read those, too, but start with Perdido Street Station. It's worth every word.

    --
    Think like a person of action, act like a person of thought. --H. Bergson
  705. My books I've read highlights by stephencummins · · Score: 1
    Isn't amazing how we've all read so many books in common?

    Have alook at this recently republished list of SF masterworks, I'm going through it myself, next on my list is 'I am Legend' the Vampire one:

    I'd also mention the folowing because they've always coloured my perception of the world since I read them:

    Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

    Orwell: 1984, Down and out in Paris & London, Homage to Catalonia

    Nabakov: Lolita, Aida

    Gabriel Garcia Marquez: 100 years of Solitude.

    Jack Kerouac, On the Road.

    The Tao Te Ching

    anything on Zen Buddhism, Zen Speaks! Shouts of Nothingness is great because it's cartoons, but there's a lot of wisdom in there

  706. Two Non-Fiction Choices by perceptive+psycho · · Score: 1

    If you want to read about real technology development and transition (in this case in aviation) read "Skunk Works" by Rich and Janos. Covers development of U-2, SR-71, and F-117. Good stuff includes gov't-industry interaction, 90% engineering and Kelly Johnson's rules of acquisition (developed before there were Ferengi).

    If you want to read a scary book, read Blackhawk Down by Bowden. It is about the battle of Mogudishu Somolia and is much more detailed and terrifying than the movie.

  707. Good Read by jefu · · Score: 1
    I have just one work - a fantasy series - to recommend here : A Song of Ice and Fire by George R. R. Martin.

    This is a three volume series (so far) starting with "A Game of Thrones" - the three volumes would probably fill your month nicely. I picked up the first volume having read a very positive review, but expecting I'd read it, find it uninspired and drop it.

    Instead I ended up bying the second volume before I'd finished the first - because I didn't want to have to wait - and the third volume before I finished the second. And knowing that the third volume was all that I'd get for a bit, I read the last third or so of it very slowly - rationing it out. Now I have to wait for the next volume. (Taps foot impatiently.)

    Its long (each volume is 800 or so pages), filled with characters (there are pages in the back with information on who belongs to which faction, and you're likely to need them), and the story jumps from one main character to another quickly. Each chapter is told focussing on one of the main characters and the viewpoint switches with every chapter so it felt a bit fragmented until I started to put the world together - and then it just feels right, although rather frustrating sometimes.

    The story told is fascinating. It would probably be more correct to say "stories", all interwoven, often separate, but woven together to produce a real tapestry of the world Martin creates. And the world so created is compelling. Politics and war predominate and magic pays a relatively small part for a fantasy novel - but magic and the fantastic are never far away - but they do not overwhelm the story as told.

    Martin managed to keep me interested (maybe obsessed is a good word) in the story and the characters. He has a talent for making the characters multi-dimensional - few of them are all good or all bad, but mixes of both. Enough to make their behavior surprising. He does have a habit of pulling rabbits out of hats - but I never knew where or how - though I did grow to expect it often enough.

    Martin does not shy away from the brutal and this may disturb some people. People in this book die - lots of them - and many of them die rather, even extremely, unpleasantly. If that kind of thing bothers you - go somewhere else.

    I'd also like better maps - you'll need the maps in the books often enough - I really wanted one big enough to carry with the books and that I could stick pins into to show who was where.

    This is the best fantasy series I have read in a long, long time. I already think the series will end up in my list of top books (though I rarely put anything there till at least five years after I first read it). If its a choice between Robert Jordan and this, pick this.

  708. Desert Island all time top 10 books... by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

    That I haven't read yet...

    I'm heading off to live a long way from everywhere for about 6 months and I was wondering if anyone felt like adding a list of their top 10 all time books to this discussion as I might need a little assistance on picking six months worth of reading at once...

    I'm already taking the HHGTG and my Neil Gaimen books so...

    dan.

    --
    [All Your Fish Are Belong To Us]
  709. Philip Pullman by Wergythu · · Score: 1

    Check out the His Dark Materials trilogy...really amazing characters, really cool plot...lots of references to older literature too, if you like looking for them (the title of the trilogy is, after all, taken from Milton's Paradise Lost).

  710. Salmon of Doubt - Douglas Adams by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

    If you love the Hitchhiker's 'trilogy' then this is a really good read as it's a collection of the Douglas Adams' work through his life plus the first 9 (Ithink) chapters of the book he was writing when he died... Some great little passages, especially the one about tea...

    dan.

    --
    [All Your Fish Are Belong To Us]
  711. Bolo series, created by Keith Laumer by Jogar+the+Barbarian · · Score: 1

    Into giant, sentient, autonomous tanks?

    The Compleat Bolo, by Keith Laumer.
    He died. Baton picked up by miscellaneous authors ("Bolos" books 1-6) and at novel length by William Keith Jr., in Bolo Bridade, Bolo Rising, and Bolo Strike.

    My fave is Bolo Rising. No kidding: I was sitting in a restaurant about halfway through the book, and I started shaking my fist and pounding my foot I was excited. You'll know it when you reach it. Hint: think "asteroid defense". Mmmm, boy.

    --
    3. Profit!
    2. ???
    1. On Soviet Slashdot, a Beowulf cluster of alien Natalie Portman overlords welcomes YOU!
  712. ray kurzweil - age of spiritual machines by GreenCow · · Score: 1

    this is a brilliant piece of non-fiction. kurzweil really understands where things are heading. it's very philosophical going into the consiousness of ourselves and how that changes as we augment ourselves with computers, and if AI is consious, and just what is consiousness? plus it's got a shiny cover oooo

  713. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by mfrank · · Score: 1

    Got it and the sequel, Gateway 2: Homeworld. Will have to get around to finishing them one of these days :)

    Did you get through the old Neuromancer game? Circuit's Edge? Geez, will probably have to install a PC emulator on my PC to play these again.

    I think you can all of these off of www.home-underdogs.org

  714. Ken Kesey by 4eak · · Score: 1

    I think Ken Kesey's life/work/philosophy might appeal to the minds of many slashdotters. If you haven't read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, that's always a good place to start, but I also recommend his later work, Sailor Song, about (ready for it?) a hollywood movie corp. moving into an Alaskan fishing town to shoot a movie because it is one of the last unspoiled frontiers. Set in the not too distant future.

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    --Damn! We're in a tight spot!
  715. RTo put this succinctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    J.R.R. Tolkien blows goats. C.S. Lewis sucks hind tit. Such a low level of reading knowledge...pity.

  716. What about Dick!? by precogpunk · · Score: 1

    Read Ubik or A Scanner Darkly by Philip K Dick. I saw Gibson at a book signing for Pattern Recognition and was disappointed that he's run out forward thinking ideas (IMHO). I plan on reading PR this summer since I've already read all of PKD.

    If you've seen Series 7, Battle Royale or even Running Man -- check out the old book by Robert Sheckley called The Tenth Victim.

    Battlefield Earth was mentioned, but I'd stay away from it. If you want a real waste of time you should read the whole Mission Earth series by Hubbard.

    A thinking mind will enjoy something like Godel, Escher, Bach or The Bible Code. If you like programming, but don't know that much about how your computer works, pick up the well written and educational book titled Code.

  717. "Pulp Philosophy". by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    I'm sick and tired of being told that some kind of philosophy is "pulp", or "amateur", or "freshman". This happened with The Matrix's exploration of the brain-in-vat idea, and no one could explain what they meant to me then.

    So, come on. What's an example of "un-pulp", or "professional", or "graduate-level" philosophy?

    --grendel drago

    --
    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:"Pulp Philosophy". by benzapp · · Score: 1

      In the case of Ayn Rand, it is pulp because like pulp fiction the concepts are very black and white, just as the characters in pulp fiction are limited to a narrow type.

      It is not to say the ideas themselves are questionable, its a matter of presentation.I think you are misconstruing the designation "pulp" as being negative, it is not.

      As far as an example of professional philosophy? Look at Plato and Nietzsche. That would be my first suggestion. Neither the matrix nor ayn rand have anything on those two. Read up on it, and I guarantee you will know what I mean.

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      I don't read or respond to AC posts
    2. Re:"Pulp Philosophy". by Medievalist · · Score: 1
      So, come on. What's an example of "un-pulp", or "professional", or "graduate-level" philosophy?
      I'd recommend Meditations on First Philosophy by Descartes; that and Abbot's Flatland ought to be required reading somewhere around fifth grade. Once those have been digested, Godel, Escher, Bach: an eternal golden braid is an interesting read.

      If you find GEB too insipid or "pulpy" you can try Heidegger and Hegel, Leibneiz .vs. Voltaire, and Hume .vs. Kant.

      If you still find yourself unchallenged there is always Wittgenstein....

      Oh, incidentally, the brain-in-a-vat/dark dream concept from The Matrix is actually covered rather well in Descartes and Kant. The cool thing about Matrix is the excellent use of modern special effects to illustrate this old but still fascinating idea.
  718. Faulkner??? by tonyzeb · · Score: 1

    Who reads Faulkner for fun? Ten-page paragraphs? Jeez...

  719. Margaret Atwood by ruhk · · Score: 1

    Rather than push a stereotypical geek book, I'll suggest Margaret Atwood's "The Blind Assassin" or "Oryx and Crake". Both are brilliant and absorbing, multilayered and multitextured.

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  720. Reverence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  721. What if books: Fatherland by harmonica · · Score: 1

    Books such as these are different from the usual sort of SF which postulates a scenario and the rules in which that scenario works, because they start with known history or events, and extrapolate, either by asking "What would have happened if X happened (instead)?" or "What would have happened if X had not happened (instead)?" It's also fun to do your own thought-experiments along these lines, once you get the knack. :)

    To recommend another book from that sub-genre: I liked Fatherland by Robert Harris. It's situated in 1964 (!) Nazi Germany, with Hitler celebrating his 75th birthday.

  722. READ IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude read harry potter it's the best book ever. all of them. broomsticks and shit. you don't get stuff like that out of gibson

  723. Ayn Rand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have you read Atlas Shrugged yet?

    How about The Fountainhead?

  724. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by il_diablo · · Score: 1

    Actually, IIRC, he defuses the bomb in the van below that building. That's the scene with him and Tyler in the garage, and Tyler says things like "No! Not the green wire!", etc.

    --
    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
  725. Yet more suggestions, and a "me too" by just+fiddling+around · · Score: 1

    I would suggest some books which mix genres in a good manner:
    - The Wiz Biz by Rick Cook: a unix hacker(in the old sense) gets thrown in a fantasy world. Good fun if you get the jokes about daemons and shell scripts.

    - The Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling: an alternate victorian world where Charles Babbage's difference engine worked and sparked a technological and industrial revolution. Part detective story, part historical thriller.

    And now for the "me too": if you like fantasy(or at least not loathe it) and humor, try a book from Terry Pratchett, like "Rincewind the Wizzard"(sic) or "Interesting Times". Read them in this order, to get the background about the principal character, Rincewind.

    Have fun!

    --
    You're not old until regret takes the place of your dreams.
  726. Not Sci-Fi Recommendations by Chris+Y+Taylor · · Score: 1

    Carnage and Culture or anything else from http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reviews/books.htm

    She

    The White Company

    To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth

    Any C.S. Forrester book

    Any of Gerrold's The War on the Chtorr series (Ok, one Sci-Fi recommendation)

    The Federalist Papers

  727. How about a little philosophy inbetween? by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I won't even think about mentioning my favorites, since I guess all alternative to Gibson and Stephenson have been mentioned 3 times allready.
    I recommend two rock solid classics that are considered the best in putting people to thinking (and finding answers). Aka:

    The best in philosophy:

    Arthur Schopenhauer;
    The Wisdom of Life and Counsels and Maxims
    This is, iirc, Schopenhauers last book and is generally considered one of the references in philosophy in general. Basically an extract of modern & classic philosophy since the ancient greek. Actually a must-read for every literate grown-up. Beware Schopenhauers pessimism though, that's the catch with his stuff. Very educative read though.

    Rudolf Steiner;
    The Philosophy of Freedom: The Basis for a Modern World Conception
    This one is generally rewarded as the best 'unknown' work of philosophy of our cultural epoch. Steiner is a monist, just like Schopenhauer, but he unweeds Schopenhauers general pessimism and takes on all the dualists generalisims that are used nowadays to prove that humans have no free will (and stuff like that) and does a very good job at correcting Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Hartmann, Kant and a whole league of all the rest of know philosophers.
    I personally consider this a *very* important read for anyone who likes to ponder the life and times of the human race and the human individual. So I think you could say everybody should read it. :-)
    BTW: Afaik one could say that the currently very popular Ken Wilbur is something like a 'makeshift Rudolf Steiner'. Allthough I have to admit that I haven't gotten around to reading a lot from him....

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  728. John Barnes by vanix · · Score: 1

    I've enjoyed every book by John Barnes I've ever read, starting with Mother of Storms, which is a terrific near-future disaster/redemption story which raises some interesting questions about humans fusing with technology. If you like that, read everything else he's written.

    --
    "Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." --Robert LeFevre
  729. Nickie's Art of War is good, too. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    Machiavelli's "Art of War", though usually overshadowed by Sun Tzu's pithier volume of the same name, is also worth reading.

  730. Bad movie version of The Adolescence of P1 by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    Hrmh, glad I missed the movie. The book is rather good, but the technology in it is so dated that younger readers might find it laughable.

  731. books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tim Powers, 'The Anubis Gates' - time travel, conspiracy, magic, and made-up poets.

    Tim Powers, 'The Stress Of Her Regard'. The best vampire novel ever.

    Lord Dunsanay, 'The King of Elfland's Daughter'. Lovely. Just lovely.

    Scott McCloud, 'Understanding Comics'. You'll never look at comics the same way again. Avoid the sequel 'Reinventing Comics', it's full of dot-bubble sentiment about how the net will save comics.

  732. Re:Dune (what about Miles Teg?) by sliderr · · Score: 0

    I just finished reading heretics. I've definitely enjoyed the first 5 so far and I can't wait to start the 6th. Just the whole idea of how he sees the relationship between religion, politics, and status quo has been interesting as hell.

    This year seems to be the year for me to actually read books I've intended on reading for a long time.
    Wheel of Time...Dune series...what's next? heh

  733. Hyperion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons is definitely worth picking up. I have read a lot of science fiction through the years and Hyperion easily remains my favorite.

  734. A point of contention by lysium · · Score: 1
    Looks like you read Gibson backwards from Worse to Better, and then called Diamond Age a Gibson rip-off. You must be thinking of Virutal Light as a rip-off of Snow Crash. That makes a little more sense.

    The Diamond Age is not even a cyberpunk novel. It's more....well, Victorian. And full of amazing ideas, something that becomes scare as Gibson ages....

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    Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
  735. If you don't value your sanity... by Dthoma · · Score: 1

    Try Ulysses by James Joyce. Though I'll admit it may well take a good deal longer to read. It's tough, but I think it is actually easier to read than Tolkien in it's own way. (Though the same can't be said of Finnegans Wake - that takes a lifetime to read.)

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    Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".

  736. George Alec Effinger by Rene_Daley · · Score: 1

    When Gravity Fails, A Fire in the Sun, The Exile Kiss. All by George Alec Effinger, who died in 2002. GEE hated it when people classified these books as cyberpunk, but that is how the books were popularly classified. The books follow the exploits of Marid Audran in the middle-east. The stories start with Marid as a street hustler who catches the eye of a powerful "godfather" character, has his brain wired to accept "moddie" (software that alters personality) and "daddie" (data) chips, and learns to take responsibility for people other than himself. Think of Dashiell Hammet doing cyberpunk. Hardboiled cyberpunk. I cannot believe that no other /.ers have recommended this. The stories are captivating and GEE always remembered that the story is everything.

    1. Re:George Alec Effinger by Jorj+X.+McKie · · Score: 1

      GAE was a very good writer; I was saddened to learn of his death last year. His health problems greatly restricted his writing output, which is a distinct tragedy. I believe that there is a fourth Budayeen book (Marid Audran series), but I do not remember the title. I might be "remembering" a planned sequel, though. Effinger also collaborated on a computer game set in that world, called Circuit's Edge, on the order of ten or twelve years ago.

      --
      I remember your eyes, on the twelfth of July...
  737. more Neal Stephenson by nano-second · · Score: 1

    I just reread the Diamond Age and it is also very good, about nanotech.

    --
    I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
  738. Forget Hardware, read about Wetware by nycroft · · Score: 1

    "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes. Intense.

    --
    Mr. Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.
  739. for those of us that havn't done it yet by Mr.roboto · · Score: 1

    Radio Shack has some ham radio books on clearance, get a license before I beat you to it! ;) They're under a buck each before tax, just a thought.

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    Don't call my crazy, that's what they called me back in the home!
  740. Diana Wynne Jones by nano-second · · Score: 1

    This author is usually relegated to the children's or young adults sections, but that's just because they don't really know how to classify her books. Some definitely are for children, but other are certainly meant for adults. Try Deep Secret for a geeky fantasy. (much of the story takes place at a scifi convention). DWJ is an amazing writer. Not only are the plots surprising and interesting, the characters are wonderfully real and developed. I don't mean she blathers on for pages about the character, but rather the characters act so naturally that they seem real.

    --
    I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good. That would be dishonest.
  741. Re: Tons of free time - Left Behind by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

    --It may not necessarily fit the initial description of what he's looking to read, but I guarantee he'll be enthralled with it for at LEAST a summer or two:

    The "Left Behind" novels - it's up to 11 books [[obligatory Spinal Tap reference here]] in the series, surpassing L.Ron Hubbard's crappy "dekalogy" - and the next one is coming out next year. Five straight #1 entries on the NYT bestseller lists.

    http://www.leftbehind.com/

    --A few books into the series, there *is* a mention of portable computers and cell phones that are beyond anything we have now... But it's not exactly tech-centered. I'm a fast reader, and managed to devour the entire series by starting back in late February - but this guy will probably be hooked for a long time. :)

    --
    .
    == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  742. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by bourne · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, if you want a good fantasy series, take a look at George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" (starts with _A Game of Thrones_). Another multivolume, incomplete series, but he promises only 6 books, so maybe it'll work out.

    I think he's up to promising 7 now. It was in an IRC chat that got linked to alt.fan.grrm a few months ago. Something like he found out he couldn't just skip past the years that were supposed to be between books 3 and 4.

  743. Vinge by UtilityFog · · Score: 1

    I'd reccomend (as others have) Vernor Vinge's A Fire upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky. "Deepness" is a "prequel" so read it first if you can. Vinge is an amazingly original writer with a breathtakingly deep sense of wonder and invented concepts such as the Singularity. Both these books won Hugos, I believe. Together they are nearly 1000 pages, ought to keep you busy for a while! Josh ps-- the only book I've ever read with a greater scope is Greg Egan's "Diaspora"...

    1. Re:Vinge by thereisnospork · · Score: 1

      Deepness is a prequel, but reading it gives away a plot point in Fire that isn't revealed until the end, so I'd disagree and recommend Fire first, then Deepness.

  744. Tolstoy by arunkv · · Score: 1

    Read Tolstoy. The books can appear deceptively simple to read but they have so many insights into human society. Try "Anna Karenina" and "War & Peace".

  745. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by IICV · · Score: 1
    The only bad thing about Neil Gaiman is that he's done mostly comic books, and my library doesn't carry them.

    Yes, I am too cheap to buy books.

  746. Rudy Rucker by jazzstep · · Score: 1

    OK, in case you guys havent read these books they are great!!! Software, Freeware,Wetware and his latest addition to the series Realware. Great story line that real sets in you in period, meaning interesting background on the time, great slang....uuvys and pheezers and the list goes one....anyway...you like cyberpunk, you will like this. If you like Gibson....you like these..

  747. Re:Vernor Vinge by thereisnospork · · Score: 1

    Vernor Vinge is your answer. Heed the Anonymous Coward. All of his books have hacker links. A Deepness in the Sky and A Fire Upon The Deep are both books about hackers. In one, the protagonist is a combat programmer in a 'mature programming environment' - the ships run on GNU software, but in an unimaginably deep future.. and the other has essentially a three way hacking war as it's backdrop. All brilliant. All written in ways that subtly incorporate hacking into the fabric of the store, rather than making computers the McGuffin. Not surprising, really, given Vinge's professional background. You write what you know.

  748. Dune prequels by aoeu · · Score: 1

    There are three new books in this series, written by his son Brian and some other guy. They make a nice read for those who have read the rest. I liked tham anyhow.

    --
    All your database are belong to U.S.
  749. Stupid White Men, Hardball, and The No-Spin Zone by reddawnman · · Score: 1

    Although SF literature is great, it'd probably be a good idea to check out some of the things that shape (or screw, depending on your perspective) our lives up. Politics runs the spectrum...

    Stupid white men: Written by the director of bowling for columbine. liberal as heck, but at least you can get a different perspective on things..

    Hardball: By chris matthews. this is THE book that everyone should read. our government still doesn't make sense, but it seems a little less illogical.

    The No-Spin Zone: VERY far to the right. again, perspective is key, even if you don't like O'reilly.

  750. he needs to hurry by DreadSpoon · · Score: 1

    This I have to admit to; the last book was dreadfully pointless.

    I hope the guy hurries up and finishes writing these, or the old bastard is going to die before it's all done!

  751. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the books read YOU!

  752. Great book, too much christian bias by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    Gene Wolfe is a great writer, and the New Sun books are terrificly/terribly beautiful. If only there wasn't so much weird christian bias. Like reading CS Lewis, another great.

    --
    O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
  753. GeeBok ? by strangedays · · Score: 1

    A few humble additions to the latest, Ask Slashdot, unofficial summer reading guide. Lets just get past this reptitive stuff and start a GPL'd Geek Body Of Knowledge. Or GeeBok?...

    I guess my list is mostly what I was reading sometime recently and is still lying around the place. Ever noticed that read books, wait to be "borrowed", probably forever by a "friend" or just slid back into infinite "Library Space", by your freindly local Orangutan Librarian...

    1. 1. Metamagical Themas. The ever fascinating, Douglas R. Hofstadter. 2. The Cathedral and the Bazaar. Eric S Raymond. Nuff Said. 3. The Portable Machievelli. Peter Bondanella and Mark Musa (Ed) 4. The art of deception. Nicholas Capaldi. 5. The Matrix and philosophy. William Erwin (Ed) 6. Asimovs guide to Shakespeare. Isaac Asimov. 7. The Canterbury Tales. Geofrey Chaucer. 8. Crossing the chasm. Geoffrey A. Moore. 9. The Discworld Series. Terry Pratchett. 10. Bertie Wooster and Jeeves series. P.G. Wodehouse. 11. The problems of Philosophy. Bertrand Russel.
    Enjoy!. I did.
    --
    There is no god; get over it already! Never exchange a walk on part in the war, for a lead role in a cage.
  754. Not exactly a Summer LONG read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I read in one sitting, but that was mainly because I couldn't put it down:

    Pat Cadigan: "Tea from an Empty Cup"

    Definitely cyberpunk/sci-fi and I'd say it's for any geek

  755. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Her short stories are magnificent. And what is often missed is her Wizard of Earthsea stories - much better writing than Harry Potter for the same age group.

  756. Damn str8 on Zelazny. Donnerjack is a VR killer by jonskerr · · Score: 1

    One of Zelazny's last books, and one of the few really good collaborations he did. Called the internet/VR/Matrix world 'the Virtu' and the real (non-Matrix) world 'the Verite'.

    --
    O~ Him that studies revenge keeps his own wounds green. -- Francis Bacon
  757. 1984 by archnerd · · Score: 1

    Ought to be required reading for posting to any /. YRO article.

  758. A new book, maybe will be a classic, needs review by raygunz · · Score: 1

    Shameless plug warning - Actually, plea for unbiased review ahead -- Given "The Mythical Man-Month", if you want a quick, entertaining read on computer engineering, you could try "Debugging" by David Agans. That's me. The book could be a beach read but only for a day at the beach; you'll finish it in a few hours. But it's funnier than Ayn Rand and Fred Brooks put together. It even comes with an endorsement on the cover by slashdot's own CmdrTaco, and a free, funny, downloadable poster at www.debuggingrules.com. It got a great review in Dr. Dobb's journal, but I'd love to see a slashdotter give a review -- I can't get a friend to review it, friends are biased. Anyone want to step up?

    --
    "Debugging" by Dave Agans - the perfect gift for your favorite imperfect engineer.
  759. Philip K Dick and other authors... by hamdandy · · Score: 1

    Don't settle for reading the same crappy sci-fi and fantasy titles bandied about here. Try something new...

    What is real? Philip K Dick discusses at length. Some of his bests include: A Scanner Darkly, Flow My Tears The Policeman Said, and Ubik.

    As for fiction I can heartily recommend The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon (especially if you like comic books). Suttree and/or Blood Meridian (the best most violent depiction of the wild west) by Cormac McCarthy. Cold Mountain by Charles Frazier.

    Non-fiction: Everything You Know Is Wrong and You Are Being Lied To. Uncover the conspiracy!

    Poetry: Big Backyard by Michael Teig -- yeah, he's my friend. Nothing wrong with promoting your friends work. Check out Jubilat for a modern poetry magazine.

  760. Sci-Fi Series by wmaheriv · · Score: 1

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/lis t-browse/-/D0KNH8RDGARB/ref%3Dcm%5Flm%5Flists/103- 6372685-3302229

    See above the list I placed on Amazon a hundred years ago, listing 25 of my favourite Sci-Fi series. The first book is the one listed, with additional volumes mentioned in the comments section.

    --
    ~wmaheriv
    "Shema Yisroel- Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Echad!"
  761. A technical beach book? by raygunz · · Score: 1

    Shameless plug warning - Actually, plea for unbiased review ahead -- Given suggestions like "The Mythical Man-Month", if you want a quick, entertaining read on computer engineering, you could try "Debugging" by David Agans. That's me. The book could be a beach read but only for an afternoon at the beach; you'll finish it in a few hours. But it's funnier than Ayn Rand and Fred Brooks put together! It even comes with an endorsement on the cover by slashdot's own CmdrTaco, and there's a free, funny, downloadable poster at DebuggingRules. It got a great review in Dr. Dobb's Journal and EDN, but I'd love to see a slashdotter give a review -- I don't want to ask a friend to review it, friends are biased. Anyone want to step up?

    --
    "Debugging" by Dave Agans - the perfect gift for your favorite imperfect engineer.
  762. Not hacker geek but good none-the-less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I enjoyed both of these.

    The Plague
    by Albert Camus

    and

    The Evolution Man, Or, How I Ate My Father
    by Roy Lewis

  763. OH Slash dot how you bore me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the point of slash dot? Every Story posted is followed up by innane comment after innane comment. The is no originality here, no aminma. And people wonder why innovation is dead. THere can be no orginal products if we all think the same. I've made a decision: No more living a steriotype. I will be completely undefinable. A rennisance man. Sure I know Math Physics, Computer science, but I also know English, Art, Politics, History, Economics, philosophy, Psycology, Theology, Music, Marketing, Accounting, and most importantly Commedy. Thus I will not be comming back here again, there is no challange here. No stimulus. YOu cannot help me grow, So I must leave. Good Bye. I will not write.

  764. Re:Gibson.. piers haken: please, shut the fuck up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is such a fucking me too post. you feel all smart and shit today, or you identify with other fat sexless live with mother geeks today? what a fuck.

    and a dirty, IP thief.

  765. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by Moofie · · Score: 1

    You've read his novels, right?

    Neverwhere
    Stardust
    American Gods
    Coraline (kids' book)

    If they don't carry those, slay your librarian.

    --
    Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  766. Re:Ender's Game clit chop caliphate of death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    CLITORIS CHOPPERS. Hi there you fucking Islamic career clerics, doctors of death, Waffen Schutzstaffel doctor Josef Mengele is a patron saint compared to you fucking ragheads. You suck. You aide and abet terror and death. You are partially responsible for the deaths of other fellow men. For this fratricide you shall pay dearly. Your soul is black with the stains of inaction, ineptitude and sympathies to those who walk the dark side. Your foul life is full of sins, not religious, just heinous, your karma is low, you don't confess, and you aren't in prison where you belong. You are your own dark, kept secret. I see through you, the worthless academic, the pseudo intellectual, the unproven unpublished un patented WASTE OF FUCKING FLESH. You are a drain on society, you are a member of the 1st world but pretend to not be. I hate you, you are a stained man.

    Hi clitoris chopper, you islamists support clitoris carving. You are Islamic, and of course are a fucking animal. I hate you you pull-start camel jockey lover. Towelheads, Camel Jockies, Sand Niggers, Ackmids, Abeebs, Carpet Flyers, Dune Coons, Rag Heads, Sand Scratchers, Habeebs, Abba-Dabbas, Camel-Humpers, Demi-niggers, Fig-Gobblers, Hucka-luckas (hucka hlacka ghalcka ghugh), Lefties (If you steal, you lose the right hand so, since they are thieves...) Ocnods, Pull-Start-ables (imagine pull starting Ossama's dirty rag like a Briggs and Stratton), Roach-Ranchers (habibs cant kill roaches by a tenant of Is-slum), Sand Moolies.

    Shut up all you dirty fucking Islamic pigfucking swinehundts and the pigs, the communist fuckin Islamic terrorist supporter.

    Take your fucking Koran and cram it up your ass. The sooner the earth sees Islam leave it, the better off it will be. Your Koran is Goat Piss.

    I hope if there is a God and a Hell, you have to drink the liquidy shit from a Pig's ass, and Jewish Rabbis defecate on you.

    I hate the stupid ISLAM fucks who read into the trash they come up with. Saddam Hussein [who needs to take a dirt nap] is higher on my sanity list than fucking Muslim "clerics." In fact, I like Saddam more than most of the other Arab leaders because he is secular. We should fucking nuke the Saudis and Mecca and Medina and turn it into rubble, then tell Saddam to remove the heads of all the buttfucking "royalty" in the area.

    I want to wipe my ass with Mohammad's shroud. I want to grind his body up into bone meal and fertilize my garden with it.

    Our tortured dead scream out in HORROR, asking for vengeance:
    1. Kill all Camel Jockeys.
    2. Kill all Mohammedans.
    3. Kill all Dune Coons.
    4. Kill all Rag Heads.
    5. Kill all Towelheads.
    6. Kill all Arabs.
    7. Kill all Camel Rooters.
    8. Kill all Osama Bin Laden supporters.

    Nuke their countries to hell.
    Nuke them again.
    Death to Islam.

    I piss on Mecca. I wipe my ass with the Koran. I shit upon Mohammed. I wipe the cum for a freshly fucked pussy with Mohammed's shroud then throw it in the pig sty so it can mire in pig shit as it decomposes.

    I only hate with words, you fucking wet towel fucking scum killer, you maim, your terror bomber. You will be judged and cast away by the powers that be, your death will get none of my pity and you will have precipitated it upon yourself, YOU xenophobic pieces of shit, your elitist religious country club will be your own undoing.. In the great continuum that it time your are those who serve to disrupt it by ending the brilliance and lives of those who your zealous foul religion call heathens and infidels. Your death will be celebrated, you will not be missed. My rhetoric is a reflection of my anger at your, your Islamic death leaders, and your religions unwillingness to admit to what it really is, a death mongering cult. Your religion is one which produces nothing that is meritorious, your artisans are not accomplished or made paria

  767. "books that will induce a mindfuck" by cosyne · · Score: 1

    came across this on everything2. Might be worth perusing.

  768. Steel Beach by John Varley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Steel Beach

    An excellent and very fun read. Not so much hacking as AI-oriented. Much better written than most of the trash pawned as SF nowadays.

  769. investigative journalism by exdnc · · Score: 1

    some really interesting jounalism about the fast food industry: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser. Definitely changed my life a bit. Not only does he look at the food, he also investigates the social, commercial, and industrial aspects of the industry. Now, not only do I not eat fast food, I refuse to pay for it. I let a fourth grader I used to tutor read the chapter about where the meat comes from. Afterwards, he had such a shocked expression on his face, he looked like he had just seen his dog get run over by a big rig. Luckily all is not lost - he does identify some fast food that isn't evil.

  770. Good summer's read by rvacca · · Score: 1

    Suggest: 18 QUAINT SF STORIES (short stories, incl. a love story based on information theory and the True Story of J Christ) also THE DEATH OF MEGALOPOLIS (novel on thedownfall of USA in 2010 due to excessive complexity of large technological systems) can get them on www.printandread.com These are good reads - I wrote them. www.robertovacca.com

  771. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

    Then Tyler says "I told you not to cut the green wire!", kicks him, and adjusts the bomb himself. I think the building where they were sitting at the beginning/end was supposed to be a different building, even though the rapid pans show it as being the same one.

  772. Only One book!! eeeeeeeecccck by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1
    How can you be talking only one book you've got like two to three months right, so thats like enough time to read two times thirteen gives tweenty six book easy. and thats with out pushing it, I exist therefore I read. (H)

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! How dare it, I'm a Mathematician, that was hardly any nonalphas

    --
    in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
    Francis Smit
    1. Re:Only One book!! eeeeeeeecccck by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1
      ok: books that I think are worth reading:

      • The Lord of the Rings.
      • Robert Jordans Wheel of Time.
      • C.S. Lewis's Narnia series & his sci/fi trilogy.
      • Terry brooks:
      • Terry brooks: Sword of shanara series.
      • Terry brooks: Magic Kingdom series.
      • Terry brooks: Word and The void series.
      • Robert Heinlien: any of his older stuff.
      • Arthur C. Clarke: anything prior to 2001 a space odyssey.
      • Annie McCafferey: The Dragons of Pern.
      • Annie McCafferey: The Crystal singer series.
      • Annie McCafferey: God anything she ever wrote.
      • :
      • :
      • :
      • Oh My Lord. So many books so little time... :-) (H)
      --
      in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
      Francis Smit
  773. a different vision of Matrix: Soul Rider Series by lpq · · Score: 1

    by Jack Chalker. Starts out appearing to be fantasy, moves into sci fi as
    we find there is tech behind the fantasy. Those with high match scills seemed
    to also be the best wizards. Turns out the entire world they live in is
    digitized, converted to energy then back to matter @ around 60-200 Hz. Those
    with best match skills most easily could visualize the strings and formulae
    that made up 'spell' to alter reality and perform wizardry. Five book set.

    Also surprised no one mentioned -- depending on your hobbies and interests,
    the first several books of the Gor series...:-) Not hacker culture though.

    Interesting movie "Thirteenth floor", I believe -- more pre-matrix foder.

    -l

  774. Tadd Williams by scottbmunro · · Score: 1
    I know this may already have been posted but there are just way too many other posts to find out for sure

    Why not start the Otherland series by Tadd Williams. Finishing it is a bit of a stretch for 1 month, seeing as the series is 4 books and each book is over 800 pages I think. It's a futuristic story about a strange disease that is afflicting the young of the world that spend their lives on the net. It eventually takes place in an amazing virtual universe that attracted me because I'd like to think it possible someday. (I know, not your professional book review, sorry.)

    Check this series out if you are into epic novels that take decades to read.

  775. A good (Best) summers read?? by Chris+Coles · · Score: 1

    Try - The Universe is a Cloud, Some Raw Food for Thought. Blows away Big Bang Theory, I mean, completely.

  776. Summer as Fantasy readin' time by Ze+Kraggash · · Score: 1

    Somehow, I prefer fantasy over sci-fi or technical readings in summer.

    Thus I recommend "Rhinegold" by Stephen Grundy.

    Also anything by Dan Simmons, just because.

  777. Books to Read before the Real Job by Scoats · · Score: 1

    I recommend reading a Charles Dickens novel. Great Expectations, Hard Times, Old Curiousity Shop are all amazing.

    His books are only 150 years in the past. As a techie I just am awed by how different life was then.

    --
    "I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm no more".
  778. Also by Ze+Kraggash · · Score: 1

    Anything by Roger Zelazny (esp. Amber et al);

    Iain (M) Banks;

    Gene Wolfe;

    These are some of the most brilliant and as usual underappreciated (semi)contemporary authors.

  779. But I am repeating myself... by Ze+Kraggash · · Score: 1

    Clifford Donald Simak is what you want if light reading, yet philosophically dense and original plots are your thing.

    Most everything by him.

  780. What about Tad Williams' Otherland series? by uu!))!am · · Score: 1

    I browsed through these comments and while several people mentioned the Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series, no one (that I saw) suggested his Otherland series, 4 MASSIVE volumes that could conceivably keep you going all summer. And they take place (you eventually learn) to a large degree completely INSIDE a virtual universe. This unique concept allows Williams to cleverly combine elements of fantasy within a scifi/hacker concept.

    The 4 volumes are City of the Golden Shadow, River of Blue Fire, Mountain of Black Glass and Sea of Silver Light. The first one was reviewed on /. here: http://slashdot.org/books/980803/087207.shtml

    --
    Will
  781. Lots of people are sheep. by rossifer · · Score: 1

    Moofie,

    First of all, my statement was my opinion. As in the article is asking for opinions and I gave mine in hopes that his summer reading is fun for him. Why does the fact that you disagree suprise you? That's the nature of opinions.

    Second of all, why are you as a geek (meant as a compliment), making a Argumentum ad numerum argument (a classical logical flaw)? To be perfectly honest, I expect better from you.

    I have found in times past that most of the NYT best seller list is complete crap. About once a year there's a top-40 song that I like enough to buy the album it's on. The rest, I'm afraid, sounds like crap to me. Apparently, there are tens of millions of people who like soap operas and watched Ally McBeal (along with other evening dramas). I still think they're all crap.

    Going against the trend (and lots of people) hasn't been a problem for me so far. Nor, I suspect, is it a problem for you. I'm sure there are a bunch of geeks living in the Bay area who loved this book. I have never lived in the Bay area, however I know enough people who lived there to get many of the jokes. They still weren't funny. Certainly not funny enough to make me do anything but drive my copy down to the used bookstore and get $5 for the hardback I spent $30 on the previous week.

    Finally, there's no need for the ad hominem at the end of your posting. I may have been criticising one of your personal sacred cows, but you certainly don't know enough about me to assume that because I didn't like this story that I'm scared of big books. As an aside, nothing could be farther from the truth. Though I am hesitant to recommend big books to others without knowing their reading speed, I wouldn't recommend this particular big book because I don't think it was written very well.

    And that again, is my opinion...

    Regards,
    Ross

    1. Re:Lots of people are sheep. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      No issues with your opinion. I expressed mine too. This is how the system works.

      "Cryptonomicon" is crap." You obviously were trolling here. I (intentionally) fed the troll. You have your opinion. That's fine. You think that going against the trend has value. That's fine too.

      I think that going against the trend, and going with the trend, are really the same thing. Saying "Well, lots of people liked it, so it must be good!" and saying "Well, lots of people liked it, so it must be crap!" are really artifacts of the same sloppy thinking.

      So. Post a comment like "X is crap." on /. is likely to a) get you modded to flamebait (which happened) and b) get somebody to reply to you and disagree. I didn't flame you. I expressed my (valid) opinion.

      If you took my comment about big books personally, that's fine. You're entitled. You thought Stephenson's exposition wasn't very good. Since it was very thorough, I assume (yes, there's a dangerous word) that you thought it was too long. Maybe I was right, maybe not; but in either case it was a tongue in cheek comment.

      If I wanted it to be an ad hominem attack, I'd have included the words "you ignorant buttpipe." Since I didn't, you may safely conclude that I was not attacking you.

      Lighten up. Have a nice day.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  782. It was mentioned by localroger · · Score: 1

    Look for a post titled "books in pre-Change Internet form." There was a short thread of very positive posts and the parent is modded up and text is visible on the default view. Logs show that as of midnight this morning it had brought me about 500 more viewers too (thanks guys!).

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    Brackets contain world's first nanosig, highly magnified:[.]
  783. These Books Are Missing From This Thread by DJ_CEO · · Score: 1

    Each of these authors has a large body of work that merits reading, I think-- this is the short list.

    By Robert A Heinlein: The Number of the Beast; Time Enough for Love.

    By John Varley: Steel Beach; Titan; Wizard; Demon.

    By John Barnes: Mother of Storms; Candle.

    By Rudy Rucker: Software; Wetware; Realware; Freeware; The Hacker and The Ants.

    By Nancy Kress: Beggars in Spain; Beggars and Choosers; Beggars Ride.

    By James Patrick Kelly: Wildlife.

    By Paul Di Fillipo: Ribofunk.

    --
    /* http://www.gregdeocampo.com */
  784. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by IICV · · Score: 1

    Yes, they carry two of those. But that's four books out of something like a dozen comic books he's written. Not the vast majority of his work, no.

  785. Re:For the love of God, don't start the Wheel of T by Moofie · · Score: 1

    Depends on how you count. : ) His novels contain a lot of really good prose, so they have as much Gaiman goodness as several of his comic books.

    Fortunately the books require no knowledge of one another, so I encourage you to get whatever is available.

    I'm a library junkie too. I've been reading this article in one window, with another open to my library's electronic hold request page. Got much reading goodness now. : )

    --
    Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  786. Sorry I'm Late... by nobody69 · · Score: 1

    First off, congrats on graduation!

    There's been a lot of discussion about Cryptonomicon, which is a personal favorite. So far this summer I've read A Fire Upon The Deep by Vernor Vinge, Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke, Bad News by Donald Westlake, and most of Stardust by Neil Gaiman (a re-read). Gaiman's is a fantasy involving a mostly ordinary guy who makes a foolish promise to a girl and goes on a quest. If you like it, go for Good Omens, Neverwhere and American Gods. The Vinge is sci-fi on a grand scale with cool aliens and The Net of A Million Lies. He has other books in the same universe, which I haven't read yet. The Clarke is a nice counterpoint to most SF you read - everyone is very civilized, even the nominal bad guys, but it has lovely eyecandy for your mind. And a space elevator. The Westlake is a comic crime novel featuring a professional thief with very bad luck, but it wasn't as funny as Don't Ask or Drowned Hopes. Yes, a novel titled 'Drowned Hopes' is actually very funny.

    You could also try Foucualt's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. It might be heavier going than some of these others, but it's a damn good novel. If you like hard-edged crime fiction there's always James Ellroy. I'll put it this way - LA Confidential was a much diluted and simplified version of the novel. American Tabloid, Ellroy's take on the JFK assassination is a huge, dark, nasty and brilliant piece of work. He's also written a memoir called My Dark Places, that starts with his mother's (still unsolved) murder, and gets only marginally cheerier.

    I've been getting back into comics in the last couple of years, so if that sounds interesting, I'd recommend Kingdom Come, which has nothing to do with the bad Led Zeppelin ripoff band, but is a near-future tale of what happens after Superman returns from self-imposed exile. A good story with amazing art (all oil paintings) by Alex Ross. Ross also did Marvels, which is sort of the man-in-the-street view of the Marvel Universe (Spiderman, the X-Men, etc.) The Astro City collections are sort of non-traditional stories set in a traditional superhero world, while the Top Ten collections are about the police station in a city where everyone and everything is super-powered. Even the rats and cats. Good stuff all around, you shouldn't even feel embarassed reading any of the ones I listed. Heck, there's always the Sandman series, which is where Neil Gaiman got his start and did some of his best work - especially A Season of Mists.

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  787. Something old, Something New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's some books that may not qualify as "Summer Reading", but are good nonetheless.

    "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" by Ken Kesey
    "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by George Orwell
    "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxely
    Also, anything by Neil Gaiman, Guy Vanderhaeghe, or Mordecai Richler won't normally let you down.

  788. Re:Gibson....well...sortof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of geek allusions in song. It only took me 15 years to realize in the past week that Information SOciety's hit "Pure Energy" Title rap is being spoken by Spock. Freaky. Thought I'd share for "the good of the many..."

  789. Tom Bombadil by Adaere · · Score: 1

    That is a subject of intense discussion, apparently. I have no idea who or what he might be, possibly one of the angel-like beings who helped create the world? Here's some discussion of the mystery: Bombadil References

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    1. Re:Tom Bombadil by Adaere · · Score: 1

      Oh, if you don't want to read the big essay linked to above, its argument is that Bombadil represents the reader.

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  790. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* by mr100percent · · Score: 1

    Listen to the DVD commentary, they say that the bomb was in a different building, and they are in a different place. "I got us a great place to watch" Tyler said.

  791. I have that book. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The instructions are the worst. I was never able to summon that greater demon.

  792. Yeah, a McDonalds job is SOOOOOO much better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I eagely await a life of slinging burgers, always needing to have a roommate, a never ending series of $500 cars, etc.

  793. computer geek meets Disney geek... by StrangeTikiGod · · Score: 1

    you might look into "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom" by Cory Doctorow. I believe it's been slashdotted before, but worth a re-mention. don't worry, it's not all cutesy, with prancing Goofy's and whatnot. Dark look at the future, with a concept of "whuffie" that rather nicely mirrors slashdot's "karma" Available thru amazon, or online in PDF and other formats at http://www.craphound.com/down

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    "split the clouds and divide the sea and show those evil guys how nasty the Tiki gods can be."
  794. Re:Things that I like after 40 years of reading Sc by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    One other book which I failed to add, Herman Hesse's _The Glass Bead Game_---interestingly there's an effort to actually implement the game described in the books.

    William

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  795. D&D: As Geeky As It Gets by Kojo · · Score: 1
    If you ever thought about playing D&D, or moving to the 3rd Ed. rules, I'd recommend the line of "Core" D&D novels based on the 3rd Edition 'Iconic' characters (each one represents a class). Pretty interesting stuff. They provide an interesting group of stories showing how 3E characters 'live'.

    A complete list is here. I've read all of them so far. They're all pretty short, so you can read one or two in a day. That would still leave you plenty of time for other stuff.

  796. Money Matters by Kojo · · Score: 1
    You say you're starting a job soon? You might want to check out "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". It's not a 'How-To', book, but more of a general 'How You Think about money and how you make it' book. It changed my thinking quite a bit.

    The next book in the series, "CashFlow Quadrant" is also good, in a similar manner. Not How-To, but "think about this", with an emphasis on the different (general) ways you can EARN money. The details of how to act on your new thoughts is, to use an oft-repeated Comp. Sci. phrase, "left as an exercise for the reader".

    It may not seem to 'geeky', but geeks tend to have higher earning potential than most. I'm not sure what your major was or what your job will be, so this broad generalization may or may not hold for you.

  797. Re:Fight Club (the book) *Spoilers* caliphate by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

    Why do you think that someone who likes the film sympathises with Tyler Durden? I can sympathise with the dissatisfaction that the Fight Club members have with the way they live. The film makes it very clear that the narrator/Tyler is mentally ill and that Tyler is a terrorist. It shows how someone like that could exploit this dissatisfaction to do terrible things. I don't see that it attempts to justify or encourage it.

  798. Da Vinci Code by Brown is a great non-SF break by dwhite20899 · · Score: 1

    "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown. I couldn't put it down - a fast paced quadruple murder semi-mystery with the Holy Grail, Da Vinci art, multiple country scavenger hunt and Catholic conspiracy plots intertwined. A fun book, worth the time, IMO, in between all the SF.

  799. Just meat by Wintershall · · Score: 1

    You might try "Altered Carbon" by Richard Morgan, a solid sf/mystery that takes a look at how society might change if you could back yourself up - where the death of the body doesn't necessarily mean the death of the mind. Of course, everyone still acts pretty human...=)

  800. good book by FaultMachine · · Score: 1

    "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore...A MUST READ