Until I moved to Korea, my lab in Thailand was four p133 Dell clients and a Via 600MHz C3 for a server. I beat you on age of hardware, dood! Where's my prize?
Seriously, though, I have been involved with the LTSP project for ove four years now, and it grows more amazing all the time.
No offense, but you don't know what you are talking about. Thin client system use is increasing, not decreasing. From your comments, you obviously don't really understand what the thin clients they are using do, so I'll explain it to you.
The client broadcasts for IP and other info using PXE or Etherboot.
The client downloads the net bootable Linux kernel.
The kernel boots and mounts a read-only root FS over NFS.
The client self-configures and starts XFree86 v. 4.3
XFree86 connects to a second computer and the entire session is exported to the thin client.
There is no apparent difference to the user. They don't even understand that they are working on the server at this point. With a Gig LAN card on the server and 100Mb on the clients, the session lag is unnoticable.
BTW, this is a true thin client, unlike Winterms or the Linux equivalent. Exploit in the kernel? Just drop a new one on the server and update the name in DHCP (or make a symlink), and, presto, all the hundreds of clients have been upgraded with no downtime the next time the are cycled. There is no need to burn flash on hundreds of clients. Any application holes can be filled in the time it takes to patch the server, with no reboots required anywhere, and no tech to be onsite at all.
In short, though you seem to think so, nothing in the user session is running locally and the user is not limited by any old hardware. The clients can be used for another fifteen years with no penalty is they don't fail. Upgrade the software, upgrade the server hardware (or cluster), and you've got faster, better user sessions for free.
Check out for more info.
K12LTSP is the "install and run" distro for school's thin clients. I have used it at two schools and am using their setup to produce ISOs for Thai schools based on LinuxTLE.
And, of course, this is why the author had all these problems installing on "new" computers. I mean, the Suse that this is based on has gone through 2 versions since then, right?
No worries, though, because Sun will most likely be bundling it with hardware that is supported.
You obviously are in a western timezone! At 2-3pm here (GMT+7), that's 2-3am on the US east coast, and the GNAA posts outnumber real posts on virtually every story for the hour after it opens for posting. Amazing that moderation works so well.
I'm part of another forum where there are no mod points, only moderator deletions, and it's hell. As bad as/.'s system is, it seems to work better than anyone else's.
You obviously have not read Slashback, because #2 is blatently false.
MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies PingXao writes "Unlike earlier reports, this eWeek story says MS will not be allowing pirated versions of Windows XP to install SP2. They plan to release the update within a couple of months as everybody knows, but what's interesting is this quote from a MS spokesperson that supposedly explains their reasons for this approach: "... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates." Not that I blame them for not providing assistance to people who violate their copyrights, but I wonder if they actually paid someone to come up with that insightful explanation. Something like "We don't provide updates to pirates" would have done the trick. Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"
And if you are looking to test OG.o to see if it meets your needs, a live Knoppix CD of it is available here.
Although the project (OG.o) is fairly new, it (like OO.o) is based in a well developed, stable,,commercial product that has been opened up, namely SKYRiX Groupware Server.
I would think that the weekly "-pre78" kernel announcements would've tipped that scale over a long time ago. And, no, that doesn't have anything to do with GNU.
I admit that I also don't know "the same troubles as WPA," but, under normal freq hopping scenarios, the algorithm for hopping is unique and set up on all clients manually before transmission begins while a syncronized clock with drift management controls the "flow." I suspected, correctly, it seems, that this is not the method that wireless currently uses, because people want ease of joining a network. This ease has to hit security somewhere.
I don't use wireless NICs and never have, so I am just taking my ideas from other radio comm equipment where security is important.
OK, so that's news to me, but I can't tell if it hops in a predictable manner or not from the O'Reilly piece. Predictable freq hopping is virtually useless because anyone can still listen in.
Frequency hopping should be implemented in addition to cryptographic communication for wireless points that have already been set up. That would be secure!
Remember in the old days when everyone had a local machine that was relatively weak, and ran all their *real* applications (you know, besides, xclock) through the lan, on a computer hidden in a server closet somewhere?
I think you're talking about my curremt setup...
Indeed. PayPal prohibits transactions from my area of the world (most, if not all, of SE Asia). This makes online orderingfrom many companies wuite difficult.
My friend got divorced because of that game. His wife would come in the living room and do anything to try and get his attention. Eventually she found someone else to di it for her...
Lexmark has been historically very good about providing Linux drivers for their printers. Visit their site and you'll see that they proudly announce it.
If you take their proprietary driver and foomatic it, you can even use the stuff under Cups!
This is pretty normal for tycoons to do. Carnegie et. al. They all claw their way to the top, stepping on whomever they please and, in the end, give away a portion of their vast wealth to ease their conscience. I hear it doesn't work so well, but I'm still working on phase 1. 1)Step on peole and make yourself rich 2)Give away a part of the money tou've sold your soul for. 3) ????
There are supposed to be libraries in Thailand (the open university system uses them for student research), but in four years of casually asking around for one, I have never met anyone who knew where to find one.
Incidentally, K12LTSP's mailing list gets libraries asking for help quite often, and are usually recommended to go with a locked down IceWM or a KDE kiosk. Saving money on recycled hardware and securing the system.
Despite the fact that the use is dying, the Bangkok Post still says "a thousand million" (10^9) and "a billion" (10^12). How very British of them, though my friend from London didn't even know that meaning.
OK, since I received a troll...
I want to clarify "there are a few(non-hookers)" does not mean that Thailand is all hookers. It means that there are a few beautiful women who also aren't hookers. Still sounds nasty, but not nearly as much as if you read it the wrong way.
What can I say: you like what you like.
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Great! I authored a How-To in Thai for their national OS, LinuxTLE. Feels good, doesn't it?
Until I moved to Korea, my lab in Thailand was four p133 Dell clients and a Via 600MHz C3 for a server. I beat you on age of hardware, dood! Where's my prize?
Seriously, though, I have been involved with the LTSP project for ove four years now, and it grows more amazing all the time.
IceWM, honey, IceWM.
- The client broadcasts for IP and other info using PXE or Etherboot.
- The client downloads the net bootable Linux kernel.
- The kernel boots and mounts a read-only root FS over NFS.
- The client self-configures and starts XFree86 v. 4.3
- XFree86 connects to a second computer and the entire session is exported to the thin client.
There is no apparent difference to the user. They don't even understand that they are working on the server at this point. With a Gig LAN card on the server and 100Mb on the clients, the session lag is unnoticable.BTW, this is a true thin client, unlike Winterms or the Linux equivalent. Exploit in the kernel? Just drop a new one on the server and update the name in DHCP (or make a symlink), and, presto, all the hundreds of clients have been upgraded with no downtime the next time the are cycled. There is no need to burn flash on hundreds of clients. Any application holes can be filled in the time it takes to patch the server, with no reboots required anywhere, and no tech to be onsite at all.
In short, though you seem to think so, nothing in the user session is running locally and the user is not limited by any old hardware. The clients can be used for another fifteen years with no penalty is they don't fail. Upgrade the software, upgrade the server hardware (or cluster), and you've got faster, better user sessions for free.
Check out for more info.
K12LTSP is the "install and run" distro for school's thin clients. I have used it at two schools and am using their setup to produce ISOs for Thai schools based on LinuxTLE.
And, of course, this is why the author had all these problems installing on "new" computers. I mean, the Suse that this is based on has gone through 2 versions since then, right?
No worries, though, because Sun will most likely be bundling it with hardware that is supported.
You obviously are in a western timezone! At 2-3pm here (GMT+7), that's 2-3am on the US east coast, and the GNAA posts outnumber real posts on virtually every story for the hour after it opens for posting. Amazing that moderation works so well. /.'s system is, it seems to work better than anyone else's.
I'm part of another forum where there are no mod points, only moderator deletions, and it's hell. As bad as
And if you are looking to test OG.o to see if it meets your needs, a live Knoppix CD of it is available here. Although the project (OG.o) is fairly new, it (like OO.o) is based in a well developed, stable, ,commercial product that has been opened up, namely SKYRiX Groupware Server.
I would think that the weekly "-pre78" kernel announcements would've tipped that scale over a long time ago. And, no, that doesn't have anything to do with GNU.
I admit that I also don't know "the same troubles as WPA," but, under normal freq hopping scenarios, the algorithm for hopping is unique and set up on all clients manually before transmission begins while a syncronized clock with drift management controls the "flow." I suspected, correctly, it seems, that this is not the method that wireless currently uses, because people want ease of joining a network. This ease has to hit security somewhere.
I don't use wireless NICs and never have, so I am just taking my ideas from other radio comm equipment where security is important.
OK, so that's news to me, but I can't tell if it hops in a predictable manner or not from the O'Reilly piece. Predictable freq hopping is virtually useless because anyone can still listen in.
Frequency hopping should be implemented in addition to cryptographic communication for wireless points that have already been set up. That would be secure!
Remember in the old days when everyone had a local machine that was relatively weak, and ran all their *real* applications (you know, besides, xclock) through the lan, on a computer hidden in a server closet somewhere?
I think you're talking about my curremt setup...
Indeed. PayPal prohibits transactions from my area of the world (most, if not all, of SE Asia). This makes online orderingfrom many companies wuite difficult.
My friend got divorced because of that game. His wife would come in the living room and do anything to try and get his attention. Eventually she found someone else to di it for her...
It's a cut-n-paste job. You wasted your time answering.
Lexmark has been historically very good about providing Linux drivers for their printers. Visit their site and you'll see that they proudly announce it.
If you take their proprietary driver and foomatic it, you can even use the stuff under Cups!
I read the title as "SlashZone Auto Replies to..."
This is pretty normal for tycoons to do. Carnegie et. al. They all claw their way to the top, stepping on whomever they please and, in the end, give away a portion of their vast wealth to ease their conscience. I hear it doesn't work so well, but I'm still working on phase 1.
1)Step on peole and make yourself rich
2)Give away a part of the money tou've sold your soul for.
3) ????
There are supposed to be libraries in Thailand (the open university system uses them for student research), but in four years of casually asking around for one, I have never met anyone who knew where to find one.
Incidentally, K12LTSP's mailing list gets libraries asking for help quite often, and are usually recommended to go with a locked down IceWM or a KDE kiosk. Saving money on recycled hardware and securing the system.
Despite the fact that the use is dying, the Bangkok Post still says "a thousand million" (10^9) and "a billion" (10^12). How very British of them, though my friend from London didn't even know that meaning.
Actually, I was talking specifically about the face structure. As far as build: FIIIINNNEEE!
OK, since I received a troll...
I want to clarify "there are a few(non-hookers)" does not mean that Thailand is all hookers. It means that there are a few beautiful women who also aren't hookers. Still sounds nasty, but not nearly as much as if you read it the wrong way.
What can I say: you like what you like.
Yeah. I just switched to Loxinfo last moth and it killed me to stop posting for about two weeks.