The next time I get mod points, I'm using them all to mod you down.
For a statement like this, you should be permanently banned from moderation. (Kind of like the jerk/enemy that routinely hits me with five Overrated mods on unmodded posts -- at least have some balls and don't hide from metamods) Moderation should be done on a post by post basis.
Yeah, we just started distributing Windows versions of two Thai OO.o derivatives and Mozilla Firebird on the CD we give out free for our Gimp classes. The response was pretty good.
I assume that since, six times recently, I have tried to post only to submit and be sent to the developers page or someone's journal. I regularly get incorrect pages from slashdot. I don't think that's a problem on my end.
The queation is how she would get "started with Photoshop" when it costs two months' salary. I've used both, but not enough to become addicted to either, and I don't see that one is necessarily better than the other, and certainly not to the extent that you are flaming on about.
The point (if there is one in this whole thread) is that maybe neither can be said to be a better interface, except by individual preference. Should we continue on a vi vs. emacs war while we're at it?
I don't know. My girlfriend had never used a computer graphics program before Gimp, but was quite an artist. After learning all about it, translating "Grokking the Gimp" into Thai, and teaching courses in it, she says that Photoshop is very confusing for her. So why, again, should Gimp change its interface? Because it's not what you're used to? I find the interface quite refreshing, but I don't use it professionally.
Goy does, though, and she agrees with me.
I understood what you were talking about, and it's the same way that Ft. Lauderdale (sp?) has done it. How do you get realistic numbers for additional memory usage? I have always found my usage to be linear with users, apparently not taking advantage of shared libraries. OO is especially bad.
People tell me not to trust top, but every utility I use gives me the same figures.
I am a big fan of thin clients, but I think you are grossly underestimating the memory for something like this. People serving 40 clients typically have 1-2 GB of memory under an LTSP-like setup.
Even easier is K12LTSP, which is an LTSP based distro, booting both etherboot and PXE clients out of the box. Install it on a spare "server," give it a test, and see if it will make the transition for you. Piece of cake to set up, and apt-get for the updates.
Clue: spend less time posting on slashdot and more time with your business, especially since it's not tech related. Your employee(s) will read/. on your time and money; you don't need to double dip.
I'm not trying to argue with you, but I'm going to recommend a distro that the Thai gov't put together to install on their low cost computers, which are intended for the computer illiterate. Everything works by the default. Plugins are installed and codecs are enabled which RH and others don't do. Apt from Connectiva. My Network from Redmond Linux (They changed their name, right?). It's been praised in international reviews. The link is here, and I hope you find a better solution than what you have now.
You should drop in on #ltsp at freenet, because the guy over there can give you very specific answers to these questions, because they do it all the time.
I can tell you how much it took in equipment to set up eight gui terminals: 39,xxx Baht, or under US$1,000. I went cheapo, though, and I got the software free (as in postage paid) for my assistance given to a gov't agency.
Last year my part-time typist (I wouldn't call her a secretary) and her boyfriend were doing some typing for me. Natalie knew nothing about computers, though she told me that she did. Her boyfriend was along to show her where to click. After about 6 combine hours of using OO.o 1.0 over three days, he asked me if it was the "new" MS office.
The documents were produced just the same, but with a number of English errors.
I know you were kind of joking (trolling?), but my business, too, is 99% open source (except flash, acrobat, etc...) and we are at the forefront of teaching OS programs like The Gimp in Thailand. It is a big selling point.
Well, Thailand just signed a five year Partner in Learning contract with MS, where they get a bunch of outdated machines and software at a large discount. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop next year on a forced migration to 2003 Server (.net?) and the resulting budget crisis.
How long a shelf life can Win98 have at this point?
I was on the elevated the other day, and a guy next to me was reading a magazine in English, so I was peeking at him reading an article about VB.net. I lost interest until he turned the page to another article, but that was about.Net servers. I felt like asking him snidely if it was a.Net magazine or what, but it was too early to quip, so I just stayed quiet. Imagine my suprise when he finished the mag and closed it, revealing the Asia.Net cover!
Tears welled up...
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They said that these chips were running 35-40 degrees after all the benchmarks. There's also a new, easy to use mechanism for securing the cooler to the chip. I.m tired of using all my weight with a screwdriver against my motherboard to get my current one on. Anyway, I will rush out and buy these, because, if they are 35-40 degrees, I can fill my classroom with them for the cooling effect, and turn off my A/C;)
I wasn't flaming or anything. I fully agree with what they are doing, but I wanted to know what the contingency plan is. I mean, I'm a little down in the dumps now that the open source juggernaut that was Thailand has signed a five year "Partner" agreement with MS. Last quarter there were more preload Linux sales here, and MS had only 40% market share. Next year will be a complete turnaround...
How do we react if they defeat us?
Lyx, at least, still has problems with asian input. Getting Thai to work for me is an ongoing project. I won't give up, though, because we are translating and updating "Grokking the Gimp" into Thai, and it should be in latex.
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The next time I get mod points, I'm using them all to mod you down.
For a statement like this, you should be permanently banned from moderation. (Kind of like the jerk/enemy that routinely hits me with five Overrated mods on unmodded posts -- at least have some balls and don't hide from metamods) Moderation should be done on a post by post basis.
No really an unevern playing field: more like affimative action for software. MS has been heavily preferred for some time now.
Yeah, we just started distributing Windows versions of two Thai OO.o derivatives and Mozilla Firebird on the CD we give out free for our Gimp classes. The response was pretty good.
Everything after "Killers" just didn't make it. Murder in the Rue Morgue for you?
I assume that since, six times recently, I have tried to post only to submit and be sent to the developers page or someone's journal. I regularly get incorrect pages from slashdot. I don't think that's a problem on my end.
The queation is how she would get "started with Photoshop" when it costs two months' salary. I've used both, but not enough to become addicted to either, and I don't see that one is necessarily better than the other, and certainly not to the extent that you are flaming on about.
The point (if there is one in this whole thread) is that maybe neither can be said to be a better interface, except by individual preference. Should we continue on a vi vs. emacs war while we're at it?
I don't know. My girlfriend had never used a computer graphics program before Gimp, but was quite an artist. After learning all about it, translating "Grokking the Gimp" into Thai, and teaching courses in it, she says that Photoshop is very confusing for her. So why, again, should Gimp change its interface? Because it's not what you're used to? I find the interface quite refreshing, but I don't use it professionally.
Goy does, though, and she agrees with me.
Well, it's from the HomeBase guys, OEOne, so they are keeping the same target market. I do like the "Best viewed with Mozilla" at the bottom, though.
I understood what you were talking about, and it's the same way that Ft. Lauderdale (sp?) has done it. How do you get realistic numbers for additional memory usage? I have always found my usage to be linear with users, apparently not taking advantage of shared libraries. OO is especially bad.
People tell me not to trust top, but every utility I use gives me the same figures.
Try E-Smith, or the Mitel Server, both by Mitel. One box shopping.
I am a big fan of thin clients, but I think you are grossly underestimating the memory for something like this. People serving 40 clients typically have 1-2 GB of memory under an LTSP-like setup.
Even easier is K12LTSP, which is an LTSP based distro, booting both etherboot and PXE clients out of the box. Install it on a spare "server," give it a test, and see if it will make the transition for you. Piece of cake to set up, and apt-get for the updates.
Clue: spend less time posting on slashdot and more time with your business, especially since it's not tech related. Your employee(s) will read /. on your time and money; you don't need to double dip.
I'm not trying to argue with you, but I'm going to recommend a distro that the Thai gov't put together to install on their low cost computers, which are intended for the computer illiterate. Everything works by the default. Plugins are installed and codecs are enabled which RH and others don't do. Apt from Connectiva. My Network from Redmond Linux (They changed their name, right?). It's been praised in international reviews. The link is here, and I hope you find a better solution than what you have now.
You should drop in on #ltsp at freenet, because the guy over there can give you very specific answers to these questions, because they do it all the time.
I can tell you how much it took in equipment to set up eight gui terminals: 39,xxx Baht, or under US$1,000. I went cheapo, though, and I got the software free (as in postage paid) for my assistance given to a gov't agency.
Last year my part-time typist (I wouldn't call her a secretary) and her boyfriend were doing some typing for me. Natalie knew nothing about computers, though she told me that she did. Her boyfriend was along to show her where to click. After about 6 combine hours of using OO.o 1.0 over three days, he asked me if it was the "new" MS office.
The documents were produced just the same, but with a number of English errors.
I know you were kind of joking (trolling?), but my business, too, is 99% open source (except flash, acrobat, etc...) and we are at the forefront of teaching OS programs like The Gimp in Thailand. It is a big selling point.
Read my jounal, dude... Plenty of time for both.
Well, Thailand just signed a five year Partner in Learning contract with MS, where they get a bunch of outdated machines and software at a large discount. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop next year on a forced migration to 2003 Server (.net?) and the resulting budget crisis.
How long a shelf life can Win98 have at this point?
I was on the elevated the other day, and a guy next to me was reading a magazine in English, so I was peeking at him reading an article about VB.net. I lost interest until he turned the page to another article, but that was about .Net servers. I felt like asking him snidely if it was a .Net magazine or what, but it was too early to quip, so I just stayed quiet. Imagine my suprise when he finished the mag and closed it, revealing the Asia.Net cover!
Tears welled up...
They said that these chips were running 35-40 degrees after all the benchmarks. There's also a new, easy to use mechanism for securing the cooler to the chip. I.m tired of using all my weight with a screwdriver against my motherboard to get my current one on. ;)
Anyway, I will rush out and buy these, because, if they are 35-40 degrees, I can fill my classroom with them for the cooling effect, and turn off my A/C
I wasn't flaming or anything. I fully agree with what they are doing, but I wanted to know what the contingency plan is. I mean, I'm a little down in the dumps now that the open source juggernaut that was Thailand has signed a five year "Partner" agreement with MS. Last quarter there were more preload Linux sales here, and MS had only 40% market share. Next year will be a complete turnaround...
How do we react if they defeat us?
Lyx, at least, still has problems with asian input. Getting Thai to work for me is an ongoing project. I won't give up, though, because we are translating and updating "Grokking the Gimp" into Thai, and it should be in latex.
And, if everything passes, are they going to shut down permanently? What is the game plan if we fail?