I guess I'm the only one who thought that was really funny. You and I must share a humor gene. For those who lack this gene, it is a good point that, should Mdk go under, the software will not die.
Anyway, good post: too bad I refuse to moderate.
It was excellent for me. My ten P133 16Mb Dells came from Japan without hard drives because fo sensitive data. They were difficult to sell, and so I picked them up really cheap for this market...using them for diskless X-terms. I saved about 2600 baht per client (US$55) over the ten clients.
Maybe you should ask someone on the Indian subcontinent about certain British companies. The might hold a different opinion... or did patents in the US pre-date that, perchance...;)
I recently went back from gentoo to LinuxTLE for language specific reasons, and what I miss is the config. All the daemon specific conf files were in their own directories under/etc. Wow... easy to find; easy to use. I am now in a mess of 188 files in my/etc, and finding stuff is again an operation of memorization. I did have problems with emerge -u world recompiling some libraries and breaking things, requiring a emerge -e world, which can take days, you know.
I wish that someone would take it and make an easy to install version and handle the upgrades better. It could take over teh world.
I went shopping for coffee (Nescafe!), oil, and some drinkable yoghurt. I went to Carrefour, which is my standard stopover for staple items. I usually go to the open market for fresh goods, because they are cheaper and fresher. One of the top two domestic computer manufacturers had a display as you walk into Carre Four proper. It's a hypermarket, so it's got a ton of little shops and restaurants on the first floor and about 25% of the second floor, but in the shopping area there was this Liberta display. Eight computers, including one laptop. The first I came to presented me with a KDE2.2 desktop, which I see often at IT malls.
Thailand still uses KDE2 because KDE3 refuses to display Thai correctly. It is a problem that the local government is working on fixing, and will have a new version of LinuxTLE (5.0) based on RH8.0 out in beta by the end of the month. After I had looked a little closer, though, I asked my girlfriend, Goy to look at it, as well. She, in her "I know nothing about computers" way, looked at me and said it was beautiful, and, wow, all the menus were in Thai. I replied that this was the same distro that we had at home, but we use IceWM to lock it down for the students... anyway, we could have that, too. What I really wanted her to look at, and pointed out for her, was the branding.
The wallpaper had been changed to some Liberta logo and slogan -- whoopee... but the K menu was now the key logo that they use, all the icons had been redesigned, and the default apps on the kicker included mozilla and a Thai OO.o. We've been talking about the possibility of branding for a long time, but I've never seen it in stores. Liberta Menu -> Internet -> Connect (kppp), Web Browser (moz), Video Conferencing (Gnome-Meeting?). All the apps seemed to be hand picked and top in their field. The Games menu was chocked full of everything, though. I was really impressed with the whole setup.
It was the bottom of the line, a Celeron 1.7 with 40Gb and 128Mb, monitor, everything for less than 18000 baht (~US$450). Cool, so I moved on to look at the next computer, expecting WinXP, but it was a KDE Cel2.0. Next. Next. Next. They were all this branded linux distro. The fifth was a laptop and I thought to myself, "what a shame it'll be Windows -- a Linux laptop would be cool." Nope. Same. I hadn't been counting, so I went back and started again. Five desktops before I hit an XP. Cool. But wait, two XPs, and I was back into Linux.
This, ladies and gentlemen, was not Panthip plaza. It was the only computer display they had in the whole store. 6 Linux / 2 Windows.
I am not naieve about Thailand. 95% will find their way home only to be reformatted by a friend of a friend and Win98SE installed. I guarantee, however, that, because those Linux machines were 10000 baht cheaper than the equivalent Windows box, that some of those will stay, and with the government supporting whole hog the changeover from a highly pirated foreign OS, things might change here.
but it's a little ridiculous that the submitter didn't even bother.
It's also a little rediculous that you have a 5, interesting, while the person who posted the exact same material and opinions a minute before you got 0,redundant. Rediculous or amazing.
Go ahead, suck my Karma for calling a spade a spade
I don't play AO, but my first thought after reading the article (gasp, no!) was, "Yeah, that's what they claim, but it'll devolve just like everything else by the time it really hits the market."
Myself, I'm thinking of getting back into paper and pen stuff, and found a free as in freedom game recently named Mirima Tyalie
Anyone in Thailand got ten extra hours a week?
Just had images pop into my head of my first job back in 1984, and how I programmed demos into some IBM compatibles by, I think, Sanyo. Not sure.
Before that, I really wanted to do some before that, but all I had to work with was a Tandy Model I. Anyone remember the graphics capabilities of that one? Anyway, just staring at hex code for like hours seemed to be fun at that age. I wouldn't last three minutes now...
Might this not be the easiest way for submerging companies to quickly divest themselves of any need to support their software. Shut the doors and autoresponr the email.
We regret to announce that Foobar company has withdrawn from the retail software market. If you are seeking support for one of our former software packages, please consult the following list for contact information regarding the current state of the software.
Foo 1.1: http://foo.sourceforge.net
Bar 1.0.1: http://bar.sourceforge.net
Gracefully exit and leave your customers less unhappy than they otherwise would have been.
See, I think that's a pain about Windows. We use Gimp on IceWM 8-12 hours a day, and multiple workspaces makes it no proble.Setting all the accessories to "Always on Top" makes the interface nice and clean, and I just keep the other apps on one of the other workspaces. Stays all nice and neat that way...
I was talking to my girlfriend about three days ago, casually teasing her for subtracting on her fingers, and we began to talk about it. I refused to use a calculator for a long time in any situations where the numbers weren't overwhelming, and still rarely use one. I much prefer to do the math in my head twice, to check, and am right more often than with a calculator, because I have big, clumsy fingers. The younger generation loses a lot by using calculators.
That said, they have their uses.
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Linux admins, often self-taught, usually succeed by keeping their eyes open to learn things from others and won't spend weeks arguing with you when you're right.
Are you new to Slashdot, or just blind?;)
Relax, you know I'm just kidding... No need to start a flamewar...er...
I just came back from doing some grocery shopping at Carre Four (French hypermart)and the computer display had eight computers. Six were branded Linux. By the way, they were all cheaper by 10000 Baht
Daniel
Are you responding to my post? They don't seem connected. There wasn't a lot about technical merits and Linux wasn't mentioned once. Maybe this is mis filed?
I think you labor under misinformation. Generally, in business environments, users have a list of apps that they are supposed to use. Most people, I think, would use app servers and shared home directories in such a setting. So, the worker has a menu, or desktop, with only the apps they should use on it. The "check your email" clients are in the lunchroom, breakroom, or wherever. There's almost no familiarity issue at all if you set it up right. There's virtually nothing to choose from. I am not a corporate sysadmin, just play one for my company.
You can contact me at chiranarak at yahoo dot com. Daengbo is really my Thai nickname plus the first syllable of my last name.
I am currently trying to put together an ltsp distro based on a localized version of redhat. I believe that there will be a big market for that in the next year or two, and would like to start consulting on it.
I don't know if I have any contacts that could help, but I'll check that email in the next couple of days.
Dan
Yes, I spoke the language, but it's not that difficult, if you apply yourself, and no, I'm an american mutt with roots going back to the mayflower. They prefer white skin. The women also want someone a little older and more settled. And a small belly is a sign that you can provide for yourself and your family.
Jim...thanks for sticking up for me. I don't much care what people in general think about my choice, and, yes, sex is important to me now. It wasn't always, but an 11 year marriage without it changed all that.
My email is not really for strange contacts, and you have a new account... who are you and do I know you? How do you know so much about Thailand?
Incidentally, I have only had two girlfriends during my time in Thailand, and always have my mind set on long term monogamy, but it's always fun to joke around with 17 year old pimply faced geeks.
I know that there are a lot of flippant comments so far, but I'd just like to say that in my mid-thirties, I chucked everything and came to Thailand with US$1000 and two suitcases. I have successfully built a future here, and ther are many side benefits for me, as well (see my sig). Just the ability to read manuals in English, understand them without assistance, and explain them to Thais makes me profitable.
I make, in US$, somewhere from 500 - 1800, depending on how hard I work, but that amount is more than enough to support me and build a nest-egg for the future.
Did I mention the girls?
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I guess I'm the only one who thought that was really funny. You and I must share a humor gene.
For those who lack this gene, it is a good point that, should Mdk go under, the software will not die.
Anyway, good post: too bad I refuse to moderate.
It was excellent for me. My ten P133 16Mb Dells came from Japan without hard drives because fo sensitive data. They were difficult to sell, and so I picked them up really cheap for this market...using them for diskless X-terms. I saved about 2600 baht per client (US$55) over the ten clients.
Maybe you should ask someone on the Indian subcontinent about certain British companies. The might hold a different opinion... or did patents in the US pre-date that, perchance...;)
I recently went back from gentoo to LinuxTLE for language specific reasons, and what I miss is the config. All the daemon specific conf files were in their own directories under /etc. Wow... easy to find; easy to use. I am now in a mess of 188 files in my /etc, and finding stuff is again an operation of memorization. I did have problems with emerge -u world recompiling some libraries and breaking things, requiring a emerge -e world, which can take days, you know.
I wish that someone would take it and make an easy to install version and handle the upgrades better. It could take over teh world.
I went shopping for coffee (Nescafe!), oil, and some drinkable yoghurt. I went to Carrefour, which is my standard stopover for staple items. I usually go to the open market for fresh goods, because they are cheaper and fresher. One of the top two domestic computer manufacturers had a display as you walk into Carre Four proper. It's a hypermarket, so it's got a ton of little shops and restaurants on the first floor and about 25% of the second floor, but in the shopping area there was this Liberta display. Eight computers, including one laptop. The first I came to presented me with a KDE2.2 desktop, which I see often at IT malls.
Thailand still uses KDE2 because KDE3 refuses to display Thai correctly. It is a problem that the local government is working on fixing, and will have a new version of LinuxTLE (5.0) based on RH8.0 out in beta by the end of the month. After I had looked a little closer, though, I asked my girlfriend, Goy to look at it, as well. She, in her "I know nothing about computers" way, looked at me and said it was beautiful, and, wow, all the menus were in Thai. I replied that this was the same distro that we had at home, but we use IceWM to lock it down for the students... anyway, we could have that, too. What I really wanted her to look at, and pointed out for her, was the branding.
The wallpaper had been changed to some Liberta logo and slogan -- whoopee... but the K menu was now the key logo that they use, all the icons had been redesigned, and the default apps on the kicker included mozilla and a Thai OO.o. We've been talking about the possibility of branding for a long time, but I've never seen it in stores. Liberta Menu -> Internet -> Connect (kppp), Web Browser (moz), Video Conferencing (Gnome-Meeting?). All the apps seemed to be hand picked and top in their field. The Games menu was chocked full of everything, though. I was really impressed with the whole setup.
It was the bottom of the line, a Celeron 1.7 with 40Gb and 128Mb, monitor, everything for less than 18000 baht (~US$450). Cool, so I moved on to look at the next computer, expecting WinXP, but it was a KDE Cel2.0. Next. Next. Next. They were all this branded linux distro. The fifth was a laptop and I thought to myself, "what a shame it'll be Windows -- a Linux laptop would be cool." Nope. Same. I hadn't been counting, so I went back and started again. Five desktops before I hit an XP. Cool. But wait, two XPs, and I was back into Linux.
This, ladies and gentlemen, was not Panthip plaza. It was the only computer display they had in the whole store. 6 Linux / 2 Windows.
I am not naieve about Thailand. 95% will find their way home only to be reformatted by a friend of a friend and Win98SE installed. I guarantee, however, that, because those Linux machines were 10000 baht cheaper than the equivalent Windows box, that some of those will stay, and with the government supporting whole hog the changeover from a highly pirated foreign OS, things might change here.
Indeed. I'll simply claim that I have a cold or that I've been working a hundred hours a week and then crawl back to my hole.
but it's a little ridiculous that the submitter didn't even bother.
It's also a little rediculous that you have a 5, interesting, while the person who posted the exact same material and opinions a minute before you got 0,redundant. Rediculous or amazing.
Go ahead, suck my Karma for calling a spade a spade
I don't play AO, but my first thought after reading the article (gasp, no!) was, "Yeah, that's what they claim, but it'll devolve just like everything else by the time it really hits the market."
Myself, I'm thinking of getting back into paper and pen stuff, and found a free as in freedom game recently named Mirima Tyalie
Anyone in Thailand got ten extra hours a week?
I'm sorry, but what is A/S/L? Explain.
Just had images pop into my head of my first job back in 1984, and how I programmed demos into some IBM compatibles by, I think, Sanyo. Not sure.
Before that, I really wanted to do some before that, but all I had to work with was a Tandy Model I. Anyone remember the graphics capabilities of that one? Anyway, just staring at hex code for like hours seemed to be fun at that age. I wouldn't last three minutes now...
Gracefully exit and leave your customers less unhappy than they otherwise would have been.
It's not in the middle... two stories on the bottom, and Linux on top, just like it should be..
Yep. MS loses to Linux in the KMarts of Thailand. I wish there were some links, so I could post it as a story.
Yeah, but with Microsoft, it should be about anti-trust. Things are changing here in Thailand: read my journal to find out how.
See, I think that's a pain about Windows. We use Gimp on IceWM 8-12 hours a day, and multiple workspaces makes it no proble.Setting all the accessories to "Always on Top" makes the interface nice and clean, and I just keep the other apps on one of the other workspaces. Stays all nice and neat that way...
I was talking to my girlfriend about three days ago, casually teasing her for subtracting on her fingers, and we began to talk about it. I refused to use a calculator for a long time in any situations where the numbers weren't overwhelming, and still rarely use one. I much prefer to do the math in my head twice, to check, and am right more often than with a calculator, because I have big, clumsy fingers. The younger generation loses a lot by using calculators.
That said, they have their uses.
Linux admins, often self-taught, usually succeed by keeping their eyes open to learn things from others and won't spend weeks arguing with you when you're right. ;)
Are you new to Slashdot, or just blind?
Relax, you know I'm just kidding... No need to start a flamewar...er...
I just came back from doing some grocery shopping at Carre Four (French hypermart)and the computer display had eight computers. Six were branded Linux. By the way, they were all cheaper by 10000 Baht
Daniel
Are you responding to my post? They don't seem connected. There wasn't a lot about technical merits and Linux wasn't mentioned once. Maybe this is mis filed?
I think you labor under misinformation. Generally, in business environments, users have a list of apps that they are supposed to use. Most people, I think, would use app servers and shared home directories in such a setting. So, the worker has a menu, or desktop, with only the apps they should use on it. The "check your email" clients are in the lunchroom, breakroom, or wherever. There's almost no familiarity issue at all if you set it up right. There's virtually nothing to choose from. I am not a corporate sysadmin, just play one for my company.
You can contact me at chiranarak at yahoo dot com. Daengbo is really my Thai nickname plus the first syllable of my last name.
I am currently trying to put together an ltsp distro based on a localized version of redhat. I believe that there will be a big market for that in the next year or two, and would like to start consulting on it.
I don't know if I have any contacts that could help, but I'll check that email in the next couple of days.
Dan
Yes, I spoke the language, but it's not that difficult, if you apply yourself, and no, I'm an american mutt with roots going back to the mayflower. They prefer white skin. The women also want someone a little older and more settled. And a small belly is a sign that you can provide for yourself and your family.
Jim...thanks for sticking up for me. I don't much care what people in general think about my choice, and, yes, sex is important to me now. It wasn't always, but an 11 year marriage without it changed all that.
My email is not really for strange contacts, and you have a new account... who are you and do I know you? How do you know so much about Thailand? Incidentally, I have only had two girlfriends during my time in Thailand, and always have my mind set on long term monogamy, but it's always fun to joke around with 17 year old pimply faced geeks.
Hey, I did that...twice. Had to come to Thailand to be "successful," though....
I know that there are a lot of flippant comments so far, but I'd just like to say that in my mid-thirties, I chucked everything and came to Thailand with US$1000 and two suitcases. I have successfully built a future here, and ther are many side benefits for me, as well (see my sig). Just the ability to read manuals in English, understand them without assistance, and explain them to Thais makes me profitable.
I make, in US$, somewhere from 500 - 1800, depending on how hard I work, but that amount is more than enough to support me and build a nest-egg for the future.
Did I mention the girls?