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What Should I Do With My Life?
Bamafan77 writes "FastCompany's website has an interesting article about what it means to be successful that I think builds nicely upon a recent Slashdot discussion. That Slashdot thread was about a study that wanted to find out if there is a link between college rejection and success. This new article asks a more basic question that many people struggle with: what does it mean to be successful and how do I achieve it? This article is an excerpt from a new book by Po Bronson which details the personal lives of several people, many of whom are very talented and superficially successful, who switched gears to try to find that 'thing' they are impassioned about. One interesting excerpt that might particularly hit home to the Slashdot community is Bronson's tidbit about a Rockwell manager who left his job because, though it was mentally challenging, lacked a deeper level of gratification. What is this man doing now? He's a cop in East LA."
I'd to be solvent when I'm old, and I think I'm not alone in that.
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
...for satisfaction in your life. Instead, settle with what *is*.
...may be a bad thing. But, when you make your work and your play the same thing, then everyday is a joy. (First Reply tee hee)
"Dream to be happy. That is the best dream."
Congratulations!
You are phenyl tetrachloride!
Fight middle management for every penny raise on their 30,000 dollar annual salary.
Lay off 500-600 21,000 year jobs. Have the remaining 200 people pick up the work slack.
Hey, that's an extra million for you, since you need another yacht.
Pilfer extra millions when you already have millions in the bank.
Get caught, don't get in any real trouble anyway since you have enough money for quality counsel.
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"What is this man doing now? He's a cop in East LA." Written by "Po"? Is it just me or does someone else find that occurence humorous?
The media-fed society has a pernicious way of linking material success with success in general, no matter what price was paid for the material success. As individuals get free of social pressures to look good (defined as, nice car, clothes, and house -- not defined as "smiles a lot, and is at peace") they can really become themselves, not a shell wrapped around nothing.
Takes a long, long time to get certified to install and maintain avionics... but once there, you get to work with your hands on lots of high tech toys, both EE and computer skills are needed, and your services will be in such demand that you can basically write your own paycheck. Six figures easily.
Not only are they a great company to work for, but you will contributing to the advancement of the world's most popular software. Your work will bring happiness and joy to billions, as the work of thousands of Microsoft employees before has.
Cunning linguists
the person wanted the satisfaction of beating on people or helping the down-trodden?
Two months ago I was buying motor oil at a local family owned auto parts store. The manager wanted $1.99 for a can of Mobil 1 oil. I informed him that I had just bought a can of motor oil the previous week at a competing store for $1.59. I also told him that some day I would be able to buy a linux computer over the Internet for $399. He turned with a twinkle in his eye that caught me off my usual gaurd, laughed and said, "LOL, what should I do with my life?".
Well, I was selling death sticks and making a handsome profit until some Jedi told me to go home and rethink my life...
So, maybe I'll become something less profitable, like a sysadmin...
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
..is world peace, having a comfortable house, a job you love, a modest paycheque and a loving family.
Oh yeah, blowjobs... plenty of blowjobs.
Trolling is a art,
I worked 2 years as a network admin for a law firm. Payed great, but the job just burned me out. It wasn't worth it. Sure after I left the place I found myself in some financial difficulty, but it was better than hating was I was doing.
I think my current CS professor said it best:
To me - Success can't be measured by numbers or scores, or anything tangible. It comes down to your heart and head. That is what really matters.
RonB
It is human nature to take shortcuts in thinking.
He figures: "At long last, they will respect mae authoraetai!"
"Well, it's nothing very special. Uh, try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations."
And I thought there was a 42 in there somewhere...
Never underestimate the potential of Human stupidity. -Heinlein
to the Dark Lord Satan is always a fufilling career. And think of the rewards! Material success, power, dominion over those who tormented you as a child. What more can you ask for?
About 7-8 years ago, I skipped getting my 4 year degree for a 2 year degree and certs. I was doing well throughout the web boom, and continued to do so up until 9-11. After that it seemed that every job posting that was out there you needed 4 year degree, 5 yrs exp, and every cert known to mankind. The sysadmin jobs I have been doing for the past 10 years, now all of a sudden its like I'm not qualified to do my own job! I recommend getting all the college you can!
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You would do better rereading the secound volume of Leibnizes "Introduction to metaphysics"
"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I think I would like convert one of my "garage" projects into a business. Success is not, IMHO, a function of wealth, but a funciton of independence (which may or may not be wealth dependent depending on who you ask).
:), that is just icing on the cake.
The important thing to realize that most people judge success as a function of job satisfaction which I think is tough, if not impossible to achieve. Remember, the only thing you can control is yourself, and well a job, that is hard to control. That is why you are paid to do it.
I will never be a CEO, COO, and good help me if I make it to middle management. I am trencher, and will always enjoy being in the muck, but I would like to have a bit of voice when it comes to the decisions (which is probably related to job satisfaction). I guess, success as I define it, can be best described by how I spend my free time. The part I can control. A couple of toys and a paycheck that keeps me happy, healthy and wise
...guess what, I am going to enjoy it. We only have one chance [unless people can prove otherwise], and therefore I am going to adlib it. I am going to work hard enough to pay for the things I would like to do, but not spend my life working. I am not going to regret things I havent done. I honestly live my life on a day-by-day, week-by-week basis enjoying the things I do and look forward to things that I will hopefully be doing tomorrow or next week. I dont want money and to be hugely rich [granted it is nice - but I am not going to dedicate my life to obtaining it only to die with it all in the bank]. What am I going to do? Well, I want to learn about model helicopters, I want to race my radio controlled car. I want to go back to Australia and spend more time there. I want to write a perl compatible regular expression library even though PCRE already exists so I can learn how Non-deterministic finite automaton work on the implementation side of things. Doing things like this are far more important [in my eyes] than the pursuit of being rich and famous [which is what most people class as being successfull].
I am enjoying my life at the minute learning through my Ph.D. and hacking on my opensource projects. All I can say, is that I consider success not in monetry terms but in what I have learned for myself and the happiness that comes from it. Some people would say that I am being silly with all this and I should join the Real World. This is my Real World.
I suppose my final word is this, do what you want because it makes you happy, not because you feel you have to. Ultimatly the only person that can judge whether you have been successfull is yourself.
chris at darkrock dot co dot uk
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I know that there are a lot of flippant comments so far, but I'd just like to say that in my mid-thirties, I chucked everything and came to Thailand with US$1000 and two suitcases. I have successfully built a future here, and ther are many side benefits for me, as well (see my sig). Just the ability to read manuals in English, understand them without assistance, and explain them to Thais makes me profitable.
I make, in US$, somewhere from 500 - 1800, depending on how hard I work, but that amount is more than enough to support me and build a nest-egg for the future.
Did I mention the girls?
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Mr. Blume: What's the secret, Max?
Max Fischer: The secret?
Mr. Blume: Yeah, you seem to have it pretty figured out.
Max Fischer: The secret, I don't know... I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life. For me, it's going to Rushmore.
In other words, a writer and a magazine who made themselves by proclaiming that the only worthwhile use of your life is starting a dot-com, going public and keeping your stock price elevated until the lockup period ends and you can bail out are now embracing "money won't make you happy".
Truth is, the excerpt was interesting and occasionally thought-provoking, and the book might well be worth reading. But the smarminess level here really rubs me the wrong way.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
If I'm genuinely happy with my life, then in my mind I've been successful.
Mainframe/UNIX Bit Twiddler and long time Windows/Linux Hobbyist.
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
Look here:
http://www.technosoft2000.co.uk/welcome_new.htm
This Kiddy is so full of himself that he should orbit Earth by now.
My Favorite:
"Once registered, you will be sent an email to tell you that you have successfully registered. You cannot cancel your registration and you must pay all respect to the work I have done. Someday, you will thank me for helping you with programming because it has come in use to you."
That for an simple Basic GUI which he calls an Operating System. *rotfl*
Now there's a philosopher-king!
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Ask Slashdot: 'What should I do with my life?'
Oh, dear God, don't ask that here.
that the sight of a slashdot headline made me LOL.
That is the most unproductive question a person can ask in a forum like this. About the only good advice is "do what makes you happy". I would guess that they individual would have already thought of that if they are asking such questions or reading such articles (cover story?!).
The problem with an article/discussion like this is that you'll never get a good concensus on the definition of successful. A lot of times when discussing this, the topic becomes one of both success and satisfaction. Be careful about confusing the two.
In my case, I've worked as an engineer for a couple of years right out of college and was rather successful. I get lots of other people, including much more senior engineers, coming to me for advice. I've gotten a bunch of raises, travelled the world, and am sitting on a pile of cash. I see some other people here that I consider to be extremely good at what they do, and would generally be considered successful. They make quite a bit of money, and are very talented. However, I don't consider them to be that successful. If I gave you their names, you would never have heard of them, so to me, that's not that successful. To truly be successful, I would consider having a certain degree of fame in your field to be a prerequisite.
Money is certainly a criterion for success. Anyone that says money can't buy happiness has never had money, or just didn't know how to spend it. Often, the people that say things like this are kind of bitter about not being rich themselves.
For me, the work I did seems kind of meaningless (this is where satisfaction comes in). Creating some software that does some menial (I'll leave the definition of "menial" open) task is bullshit, and rather uninteresting. Sure, it can be challenging to get things working (creating true reliability is rather hard), but challenge in and of itself is not too satisfying. Yes, there's some satisfaction in seeing your creation work well, but not a lot.
For me, real satisfaction will only come from pushing boundaries and expanding knowledge (ie. doing research). Note that I said research and not engineering. That's a very important distinction... engineering is a means to an end (and a subset of doing a lot of research), the goal of research (in my opinion) is not to create, but to discover and learn. Engineering is something in which I think I could find at least a modicum of success, but not satisfaction.
Of course, your opinion may be rather different, and some other guy will disagree with both of us. We could discuss this forever...
A good general definition of success (not satisfaction) would be: achieving recognition in one's chosen field, where recognition comes in the form of both respect and compensation.
Down with Saudi Arabia!!!
They should be marketing this as : Have needles stuck in peoples butts, only $29.99!
They'd sell billions!
ashtray
paddle game
remote control
matches
lamp
chair
magazine
Or you could trade it all for a thermos!
The answer is simple.
How is success measured?
Karma
How do you achieve it?
Post insightful comments on Slashdot
Or if you prefer, the answer is 42.
Comments should be like skirts. Short enough to keep your attention, but long enough to cover the subject
Exactly. Start your own pr0n company. Star in the films. Have a free website. You'll make lots of people happy.
Joe
http://www.joegrossberg.com
After all there is little hope for happiness beyond the first post to a /. story!
j/k
I've been working in tech since I dropped out of college about 8 years ago with terrible grades. Computers were something I'd been raised around and had a knack for, and I could make a decent amount of money from them. That was enough for a while. Not anymore, tho.
For several years, it's bothered me that I don't really do anything to help anyone. Well, I do help them make money faster, but that's about it. I can't stand watching all the suffering in the world and thinking like I'm wasting my time building manufacturing systems so that some company can make widgets more efficiently. Instead, I've gone back to college. One semester down with a 3.7 so far, and I've got about 6 or 7 more to go til I've got my neuroscience degree, then on to med school, hopefully.
I understand that some of y'all are stuck in jobs you don't like because of circumstances beyond your control. And I'm sure that a bunch of you are doing things in programming and engineering that will one day improve the quality of life for those around ou. For the rest of you that aren't, take a long hard look in the mirror and see if you're happy helping someone else make money and playing with toys. I think, or at least I hope, that some of you might be a bit uncomfortable with that idea. At the end of your life, do you want your big accomplishment to be "I got my company ISO 9001 certified" or even "I raised my kid to work as a drone in the tech sector?"
"This is your world. These are your people. You can live for yourself today, or help build tomorrow for everyone."
Russel Crowe was great in it. But that wasn't a jedi, that was al pachino.
--Jimmy has fancy plans; and pants to match.
It's the difference pleasure and satisfaction.
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http://www.brainchannels.com/thinker/mihaly.htm
Try reading this fellow's work, he has been studying what makes people "happy".
Ive been wondering what i should be doing since i got to my school 2 years ago. And now 2 years later, ive swtiched majors 2x and still have no idea what i want to do after college.
Yes, I want to do something that i love, but my question is, do i have enough experience to do what i love in real life?
I dream of big machines.
I dream of big machines multi-processor server beasts.
I fall asleep to the soothing whirr of RAID arrays grinding in the background.
Endless lines of monotous code fill my head as I down one too many Jolts with the coffee cup still on my desk.
I hold onto the mouse like a lifeline because it is.
This is what I always wanted. This is what I got.
I am not afraid.
ACK
Don't you have to have one first?
-jj-
This is an interesting article. I have also some experience to share.
I'm now working as a system administrator for a large multinational company, but something's just missing.. I was happier when I was working on a factory as a normal factory worker. Although the paycheck wasn't very big, I could actually see the result of my hard work and every now and then I could hear someone say "thank you". The working hours were simple and clear - from 8am to 4pm. After that you didn't need to think about your job - it was truly your free time.
I'm supposed to be in a good job now - I'm a sysadmin in a large company. They pay me good, but perhaps just not good enough to make it worth it. I want to have a fucking Mercedes if I have to work this fucking hard! I mean.. You NEVER hear "thank you" if you're a sysadmin. Unless the system breaks everybody thinks you are actually doing nothing.. When I get home after work, I have to think about my work related things almost all the fucking time!
But maybe if I found out that Einstein's brain weighed as much as mine, I'd be able to do anything I wanted to, like write a new hit single and top the charts!
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Why do I say I'm a failure? Simple: everything I've ever done in life has been a crash-and-burn failure. When you first meet me, you're likely to think I'm a genius, that I've got it made. I'm charming, obviously smart, and I seem to exude confidence and with-it-ness. That impression usually lasts about two months. After that you'll be sick of me. You'll be sick of my somehow-always-just-wrong comments. You'll be sick of my projects that are always late and don't quite work. You'll be sick of my working late just to do a half-assed job. You'll be very, very sick of my excuses. Most of all, you'll be sick of the fact that I obviously could be very successful if I just... made some kind of magical change... you won't quite know what but it can't be that hard.
At 35, my wife and I are broke. We have one car that limps along. We have no health insurance. We are in debt and ready to declare bankruptcy because we just can't pay the bills. At least we don't have any children. We want them so bad, but we're at least responsible enough to not drag kids into this mess.
My wife: you wouldn't believe how wonderful my wife is. She's gorgeous, charming, sweet. I see guys wanting her all the time. She could do way better than me, but she wants to be with me. If you want to feel like a real failure, try having a wonderful wife that you can't take care of.
So what's wrong with me? I wish I knew. I just can't seem to do anything right. I'm like some kind of freaky idiot-savant. I can look and talk like your average geek, but I only seem to get the bad parts of being a geek. I never get the cliche good parts, like making a bunch of money.
The next time I hear someone bitch and whine about the meaninglessness of their life while they drive along in their nice car on the way to their nice home, maybe I'll just punch him out. I haven't been to prison yet... it's one more failure I'll probably have to try.
Nice try.
My grandmother used to ask me if I loved my work and if it was fun. I'd always say I liked it, but it wasn't what I'd call "fun." Eventually I started saying "Work that's fun, that's a hobby. Work you wouldn't do if you weren't paid for it, that's a job."
Anyway, I guess my advice would be to not automatically assume that what you do for eight hours a day or whatever is necessarily who you are. I know PhDs that cheerfully drive cabs for a living: they never confused the job with their life. So find something that can fund what you really find worthwhile.Success is something that other people gauge your life by.
What do you care what other people think?
Do what makes you happy. Otherwise you'll become a Republican.
"The minute you begin to do what you want to do, it's really a different kind of life" -- Buckminster Fuller
Really. the dotcom bust was the best thing that happened in my life. I did contract work at home in my boxers for a few months, then taught English in Venezela for a half-year, and am now in Jamaica with the Peace Corps as an IT Advisor.
Just live a good life! Happiness is a way of living, not a goal.
Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
The question of what one wants to do is important. I asked it over seven years ago - and am now in a satisfying IT career.
I love where I work. I love what I do. I love my company and my boss is perhaps the best I've ever had.
But I know I'm fortunate.
"The Sage treasures Unity and measures all things by it" - Lao Tzu
The ratio of importance of the three is a personal decision. Many people want to follow the arts, be it singing, painting, writing, or whatever. They love it. They might even find that they're good at it. It's that whole "make a living at it" thing that's the deal breaker for lots of people. There's a whole different group who might love it, but just plain stink at it. On the other hand, there are many people in the world who look *only* at the third one and say "Well, I only need to be as good at it as the next guy, and who cares if I love it, because I love the money I make."
One way to win this game is to work on your own definition of the first thing. For instance, many geeks out there say "I love video games, therefore my dream job is to hack video games." Well, hey, more power to you if you find your dream job, but you're setting your sights pretty narrow. Personally I define my own "passion" more like this -- "I love existing at the place where people and technology meet." It doesn't matter if you don't really know what I mean, or want to debate it with me -- I know what I mean. And, with that definition working for me, I can be happy coding for the web, or teaching night school, or writing a text book on technology X, or convincing a client to buy a new technology product...and so on.
I was going to write something in a different post about having to overcome the hurdle of "giving it all up in order to find happiness", but I think that's been done to death. At this point in my life I'm in my mid 30's, a nice house, and a wife who has the luxury of being able to stay at home with our 6month old daughter. With that life comes a variety of responsibilities, both fiscal as well as time (i can't just say "Going to the office to hack for 12 hours, honey! Take care of the baby!"). Do I love the job I have right now? Not as much as I used to. Will I give everything up to go start my own company and risk everything in order to do something I really do love? Nope. I'll just keep meditating on what it is that I really want out of my career and be on the lookout for the close matches.
www.HearMySoulSpeak.com
Remember: To succeed in football or life, you have to obliterate everything in your path, in a blind rage.
Random is the New Order.
This is all IMHO of course, and I'm sure somebody can add to this list
At 18, I had my life planned. At 42, hardly any of my plans had panned out! I was going nowhere, slowly. I dumped all my plans and just started looking to have fun at work and at home. Now, at 50, I own Fairfax,VA...no, just kidding...I now am making very good money and really enjoy my work. (I really am 50, though.) Everything hasn't always been fun, but having the "fun" goal seems to be working. I think people enjoy working and being around people who are having fun. I try to avoid things that can come back and bite me later on. That usually involves TOO much fun so I guess moderation is a good idea, too. So, enjoy, smartly. :})||
Pick an enjoyable job you like.
There is nothing worse then the dread of going into a place you hate every day.
The second part is to live the non work life you want. Pursue things that interest you and are fun. Life isn't all work.
Happiness?
Yeah, I was happy with my self, my position in life, my wages, my job, and the relationship I was in.
Twas the scariest 5 minutes of my life.
To quote something I agree with about life and humans in general:
"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery."
If it makes you happy or gives you satisfaction in some way, it is probably wrong, or dangerous, or illegal...Or it soon will be.You keep going until you die..."Me".
I have a satisfying, challenging, and fulfilling job. But that's not what I turn to when I'm asked what my life is worth.
Instead I talk about my wife. I talk about my relationship with my parents and my brother and my in-laws. I talk about my friends, my music, my writing, and the software I write on the side. I talk about the organizations to which I donate my time and labor.
Equating sucess with professional achievement and money blinds us to the very thing that makes life worthwhile: other people. Our whole experience of life revolves around the quality of our relationships. That's not to say work isn't important--it is an important tool to having everything else in your life work. But I refuse to have it be ALL I do, or even the main barometer of my "success".
How I wish I were born in the middle ages, Then you did not wait to answer such questions, you were busy finding food to keep u alive rather than worrying what to do with life . You still have too much time on your hands ? The bible tells you exactly what to do with that time, praise the lord , of course.
I suppose that with the end of religion and the end of the race to survive, it is inevitable that people start asking questions about what to do with life. Does life essentially have a purpose other than those defined by the evolution? (Have food, get a good looking mate and most importantly PROCREATE and pass on your genes?)
Ever notice that in struggling economies (usually third world) intellectual achievement is a usual measure of success (culturally). While in countries that have made it, sports ("I only date jock types") , physical appearance etc. are seen as measures achievement ? Is that a going back to the evolutionary basics?
.ACMD setaloiv siht gnidaeR
How long are you planning to live?
We have a silly habbit of discussing such QUESTIONS, which have haunted philosophers and thinkers for ages, in a terribly trivial manner. .. by the time we start even realizing that we have a LIFE of our own(which is late teens or even later in most cases) we are already on our way to somewehre, and this could lead to two things... either we just say OK now that i am here..so wats the harm in going a lil further and we just keep going on... And the other is that we just throw away all we have gained and try to start afresh
.... and then u must learn... from ur own experience and from other ppls experience.
.. this is wat i want to do... this is wat i want to be...
What should I do with my LIFE? now really thats something to think about.. and hey... dont expect a simple ans... coz there are no quick fixes here... there are no shorcuts...and that is the first lesson
Honestly.. most ppl just ask themselves what should I do?...and they dont do this till the very last moment when all hope has left them and this deletes all intelligence... so why ask this question when we are fragile and when we are vulnerable... why not think about it, giving it more time, giving it yrs and yrs before even thinking that we are capable of answering such questions.
i know most of u smart ppl have already figured it out what u want in ur life.. and some of u might be lucky enough to be doing just that... but my Question for eveeone is... have u always planned it this way..
What I mean is were u always aware of the fact that u have a LIFE and that you have to spend it as u would spend something of ur own, carefully and with full planning, and u would not rather just let it go-with-the-flow
i think that this is our main problem
what we need to do is to give it some thought... but only after we have experienced it.. first know wat LIFE is... wat it means to you... wat value does it hold for u.. and for others... and then
billions of yrs have passed since this universe was created.. maybe millions since LIFE itself appered in any form.... and we usually base our decision on like 2 3 hours of hasty thinking... ok.. now i get it
I once again stress.. there are no shortcuts and quick fix solutions for these kind of issues... U have to struggle.. it wont just hit u on ur head and u ll come up with some Newtonian laws for ur LIFE... u ll have to struggle to find the answer to this question.. and then to do it
... hee2 is stuck under the bed.
I heard they're on sale at K-mart!
You spend the best years of your life making money.. once you're done making money, you realise that you're too old to enjoy it. WTF?!? I say burn it down my friends... let's party NOW.
You must always keep in mind that a path is only a path; if you feel you should not follow it, you must not stay with it under any conditions. To have such clarity you must lead a disciplined life. Only then will you know that any path is only a path, and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you to do. But your decision to keep on the path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. I warn you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary. Then ask yourself, and yourself alone, one question. This question is one that only a very old man asks. My benefactor told me about it once when I was young, and my blood was too vigorous for me to understand it. Now I do understand it. I will tell you what it is: Does this path have heart? All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. They are paths going through the bush, or into the bush. In my own life I could say I have traversed long, long paths, but I am not anywhere. My benefactor's question has meaning now. Does this path have heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.
The definition of being wealthy is having more then you want. Accept your life as it is but always try to make it better. Be kind to other people. Give everyone a chance. Don't sweat the little things. Don't sweat the big things. Let go of resentments. Be grateful for what you have. Life is too short to live in misery.
Sue her... eeeh... is that an L
heh Wats the difference.
... hee2 is stuck under the bed.
When will you stop posting questions that are so easily answered by Google?
The answer depends on the person and his values.
Several common things are:
Money/Power - to rise above the rest. These people are usually driven by security issues including the need to have a lot of plumage for attracting a mate. Bling Bling. I am not bling bling yet, though I am working on it.
Emotional needs - random acts of kindness, helping others. I have to admit, this is very rewarding. These people are usually secure in who they are. People of prinicpal also belong in this catagory. This includes me. When I die, I want a decernable benefit of me being alove, and more than just procreation. I want to have positively impacted the world.
Survival - the ultimate goal. Some people find it a struggle just to survive. Usually these people like the challenges that they place on themselves. Others lack desire and ambition to take control. Once control is gotten though, one of the two above become the focus.
Ultimately, I think success wholy lies in all three, but one may be enough for some people.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us" - Gandalf
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
There's always the argument that the basic purpose of any organism is to reproduce, ideally creating a marginally better environment for the next generation.
/. so let's just pretend I didn't say that.
Unfortunately, that puts the average trailer park dwelling redneck ahead of most of the intellectual nerds reading
I have seen tons of smart-ass comments here about the article but I think it applies, especially here. Like most of my coworkers, I did IT because I wanted to make a buck. Fortunatly I am pretty good at it, but it still makes my eyeballs want to fall out. I come back after vacation and say to myself 'WTF, I can't believe that I sit here all day' One thing the author failed to mention is that jobs that are remotly interesting pay substantailly less, the reality of it is that I would not have a house or a car for my family if I didn't do this kind of work.
I abandonded a career in chemistry (which I loved) because I simply could not survive on a chemist's salary.
love is just extroverted narcissism
...nerds and stuff that matters? It seems like a "-1 Offtopic" story. At least the submitter could have found this article which is basically the same story but from a software engineer's perspective.
Turn off the damned computer right this sec
I always tell people I want to be a philanthropist when I grow up. Doesn't matter how I get there. :-) Or maybe Hugh Hefner's protoge'.
"There are two kinds of tired, there's good tired, and there's bad tired. Ironically enough, bad tired is a day when maybe you won, but you won other people's battles, you lived other people's days, other people's agendas, and there is very little YOU in there. And when you hit the hay at night you toss and turn you don't settle easy. Good tired can be a day that you lost, but you don't have to tell yourself, because you fought your battles, you lived your life, your agenda, you chased your dreams, and when you hit the hay at night, you settle in easy, and you sleep the sleep of the just and you can say, take me away."
I sleep well.
Yo Grark
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
Canadian Bred with American Buttering
if it wasn't for everybody else that works there!
I remember being in pre-school and the teacher asked us all, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" Most kids said the usual stuff, but a few said stuff like; "I want to be a bird when I grow up"
Find a job that foreigners can't do.
The question, "What should I do with my life", wreaks of neo-politics. The question is anti-freedom, with its intention. It forces people to choose their goals "NOW" and not let your interests determine your goal. People who ask this question are the same who "demand respect" and the people who leave the question up to a matter of privacy are the ones who are honerable.
How many people ask eachother this same question with variation and how many people do not and leave it a matter of personal interest. What would an abortionist do with their life? What would Albert Einstein do with his life? What would a police officer do with [his/her] life? What would bubble-gum do with its life. It's disguised intent to control someone's verry nature.
The better question is, "Why would you ask that question?" and "Why do you hold me obligated to answer?"
Being forced to answer, I respond with..."To protect the world from devastation. To unite all people in this Nation. To denounce the evils of truth and love. To extend our reach to the stars above. RMS! ESR! Blasting off at the speed of light. Surrender now, or prepare to fight. Linus, Linus, that's right!"
Of course I would say that...nobody knows what I'm realy going to do in the future and nobody should bother asking because everyone knows the world is fascist and forces you to choose what to do. I have a fifth ammendment you pricks!
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
....has always been my motto. However, after the dotcom debacle, I now find myself clinging to a good paying job (as a senior software engineer), which I hate and dread to go to on a daily basis. My boss is a patronizing, belittling, overbearing __unfavorable_definition_of_your_choice_ who loves to torment my entire group on a daily basis.
;-)
Now, my other guiding principle I was always following was: When I was a little boy, and someone would have shown me a video of my life today, what would I have said?
I must be honest here: although I love software development and my pursuit of excellence as an engineer, I must concede that the little boy I once was would probably have been apalled at his future life (especially during 2001/2002) - and we are not talking about a childhood urge of wanting to be an astronaut here.
I grew up as a very simple kid in Austria until I was 11 and sometimes I linger back to those days. Compared to the morass I am living in (Los Angeles), it remember life as being a lot simpler (although I also remember my father having a hard time finding a job
I will turn 37 in a week and I realize that, as a middle-aged software developer, my choices for a career change are limited. However, I have been working on a mechanical invention of mine for the last two years during weekends. This taught me a lot, and although I realize that the chance of realizing this invention is infinitesmal, it has given me the energy to make it through the last few years. I would jump at the chance to pursue it on a full time basis, even if it ment a major cut in my salary. Maybe I am able to find an investor, and maybe it's just a pipe dream. But I firmly believe in following my dreams and satisfying my imagination, otherwise I can only look ahead of a life behind a monitor working for people I hate and doing things I don't care about.
Just my two cents, I don't have the perfect answer either, but I am sure that a lot of us have sold our souls to this industry, and maybe it's time to fight back and reclaim some of it - recession or no recession.
The definition of being wealthy is having more then you want. Accept your life as it is but always try to make it better. Be kind to other people. Give everyone a chance. Don't sweat the little things. Don't sweat the big things. Let go of resentments. Be grateful for what you have. Life is too short to live in misery.
well at least thats what I've planned..I'd like to do it in a very gory and messy way that will forever make a profound impact on a little bunch of ppl I hate that has made my life miserable since I was bourn.. I want to totally ruin their lives for good.. what happens to me is irellevant.. at least I would have given them an idea of what they have done to me all my life. I dont belive in heaven or hell.. im gonna rot nomatter where I go, and as far it being a wimpy way of going. well thats your idea.. anyone who has the never to actually kill themselfs I'd say is rather brave.. besides.. things happen that there is absolutely no way of ever changing so.. why bother waiting for the inevitable.. And if there should be a hell.. and I go there.. it would probably be like not managing to kill myself and stay in the life I am in already..
What should you do with your life?
.
Go barefoot.
Get tipsy with friends.
Have lazy Sunday morning sex.
Enjoy your coffee.
Endulge yourself every once in awhile.
Realize you don't have to be rich.
Read Barbara Holland's Endangered Pleasures
Enjoy it. That's what you should do with your life.
I'm considering going back to a local school (Portland State) to pick up an MS in EE focusing on neural nets. I'm also thinking strongly about starting my own company, since there's no bloody AI work here in Portland. (Giving up my friends, my girlfriend, and my support network to relocate is less than optimal.)
My friends think I'm nuts whenever I talk about starting my own company, but the fact of the matter is that if you can't find the job you want, you have to create it yourself. I still want to get my MS first so that I can learn more about the guts of pattern recognition before I stake out on my own.
OK, so the reason for this post: how nuts am I, really, to pursue this track? I leave it to the Slashdot crowd to comment. God help me. :)
Finding God in a Dog
All of the comments seem to leave out what is really the most important aspect. Your "spiritual" need. We humans all have the built in need to "worship", some worship stuff, some worship sports figures, some Open Source software. But we all worship something.
"Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need".(Matthew 5:4). When you serve the true God in "spirit and truth" like the richest man of all time, Solomon did, the rest of the world's rewards are like "vanity and a striving after the wind". It's just stuff. Everlasting life, in a paradise earth, perfect health, no sickness, no death. Harmony with the rest of creation. Now that's happiness!
Success is...staying out of the psychiatric ward. Hahahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
This article kinda hit home with me. I've been working with computers since I was 4 years old. My brother-in-law was getting his CS degree from UC Davis when I was young, and I was facinated with his computers. Computers have always been a fairly natural part of my life, they've always been around. I'm about 99% self educated with computers. I've always been curious of how everything works. I've learned several programming languages and have lots of IT experience. Suffice it to say, I didn't need to go to college to get a well paying job. I'm currently a software engineer and have been working in the field for the last 5 years. I like programming and such, but I really prefer working on projects I find interesting, and not what my boss wants me to do. I guess you could say that computers are more fun for me as a hobby than as a career. A while ago I decided I wanted to make more of my life. Working in the computer field was not my ideal. So I started taking classes at night and working during the day. I'm studing something that has been a dream of mine since childhood, which also happens to be one of the least computer related subjects I can think of, Animal Science with Veterinary emphasis. Yes, my goal is to become a vet. I'm definately not doing it for the money, in fact, if all goes according to plan, I'll be making a lot less after 8 years of school than I currently make. I'm doing because it's what I want to do with my life. I find that people who like what they do for a living tend to generally be much happier people, and that's all I really want out of life, to be happy.
You might have trouble finding a vocation that "fits your true character," even if you ever find such a thing as a "true character." Try to spend most of your short life doing what appeals to you (preferably getting paid for it), sharing that time with someone who has the uncanny ability to make seconds seem like eternity.
This is easier said than done, of course. In more concrete terms, find someone to love, love the hell out of them, and make enough to neither live on the street nor sacrifice your "spirit" in the process.
Let's get drunk and delete production data!
I enjoyed the companionship and humor of other software developers and now enjoy the companionship and humor of oil patch workers. The work can be dirty, long, hard and physical. Cracking the "greenie" label and being accepted by the rough and tumble crowd is satisfying. Its not for everyone, I don't know where I'll go next but I am not afraid to try. And besides I hear some great new jokes and sayings like "...that lease is so far fucking north they have to truck in sunshine!"
One can read the "Northwest Passage" and be amazed at early artic explorers. The drive they had is nothing new, its been around for centuries. We are doing that today in different ways as this articles points out. They explored new lands which is essentially what we are doing today only the landscapes have changed.
-- of how good readers post good comments, but great readers steal great comments.
Congrats with the karma!
Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
Look, his woman stood next to him and smiled while he admitted getting blowjobs in the office!
Now there's one hell of a hustler! I wanna be him!
If your post doesn't get the pubs howling I bet this one will...
it's not the size of the army, but the fury of their onslaught.
"[Gallup's] hundreds of studies proved time after time that talent makes a huge impact on profitable growth across every major type of occupation and industry...Superior performers...follow their instincts and thereby identify and develop their specialties. [Given the current modi operandi of education and corporate training] almost always they do this on their own."
Other key research findings are:
- Creativity is a better predictor of achievement than intelligence (source: Torrance)
- Creativity takes shape at the intersection of creativity skills, domain knowledge and intrinsic motivation (source: Amabile)
So, while the article's research is anecdotal, the core thesis is 100% correct:At University I wanted to be a computer programmer, drive a Jaguar and play Roland keyboards. All very material. I've achieved all that. There never really was an emotional side to the plan. But...
There's a lot more to life than work. I can speak from recent experience here, as I'm about to become a husband and also have a baby daughter. Work is just how I support the remainder of my life - trust me, nothing in work can compare to the satisfaction to be gained from raising your own kid, or from finding the right person. Nothing. Current culture glamourises the working world because it has to - it needs you to make money in order to sell you things. Try to look beyond that a little bit.
I figure I'll live the fast life of a CS grad, working 80 hour weeks for an outrageously high salary, until at 25 I'm declared an old geezer and pink-slipped in favor of some new graduate who's up on the latest development fads. Then I'll go get an education degree, during which I might actually meet women, and then become a teacher, hopefully to be slightly responsible for a generation of kids who can actually make their computers do what they want, instead of having to pay someone else to make their computer do less and less. Oh, and unlike the rest of the teachers, I'll have my college loans paid off.
WARNING: there is a trojan on your
There is a great funny poem by Anne Sexton (or is it Sylvia Plath?) about the inconveniences of different methods. Give it some thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
That's supposed to be something the Great Khan of the Golden Horde said, although it may be a purely apocryphal tale. Certainly the screenwriters for "Conan" didn't come up with it.
"I was... BORN in East L.A., mang I was, BORN... in East L.A.!"
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
This may be a simplistic view of the article, but what I got from it was "do what truly makes you happy, not what you think will make others think you are happy". It sounds like common sense, but as the article eludes to, many people fall into the "what does the world think of me" syndrome. The things that seem important often times aren't. I find myself in that trap often, and haven't actually found out how to correct it, yet. If you have good friends, it is interesting to hear them honestly describe you. It isn't always what we think they will say, and sometimes it can get you back on track (or at least it has helped me in the past). Being a parent has also helped keep me grounded, and focused on what's really important. It's just hard to stay on that track sometimes ...
Aych tea tea pea colon slash slash slash dot dot org slash
A) Make Money
B) Have Fun
C) Stay within the law
Choose only 2
No matter how much fun work can be, there is a reason it is still called Work and not Recess!
if he were happy.
He thought about it for a few mintues and then said, " I don't know. I've been so busy doing what I want that I've never even considered the question."
Now *that* is success.
And don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
What amazes me is how long it takes some people to figure that out, like the author of this article, for instance.
KFG
I can't imagine who you're talking about. Government programs usually end up wasted, or supporting other government programs. The world is driven by ego, not money alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
For some reason I do not consider his progression to be a successful one. I think anyone could write a biography of Louie Anderson. It doesn't even matter if sucks, it is not like anyone is going to read it.
In Soviet Russie, Louie Anderson writes a biography about you!
Good to see someone good enough to say what needs to be said. FSF will save humanity. You don't want humanity to perish, do you?
It seems like a lot of replies have to do with DOING something that appeals to you. While that makes a certain amount of sense, I know people who are doing things they say they like, but they are still miserable, mostly because their attitude sucks.
I know others who have had life-altering experiences, and ever since, they find joy in even the mundane or irritating things in life.
IMHO, there is no magical career path that will make you happy in the long run. Some are more fun than others, many absolutely suck and will help make you more miserable, but nothing will take a miserable person and make them happy, unless a deeper attitude change occurs as well.
-- Windows is not simply installed on a computer; it is inflicted.
First get yourself one copy each of three books: The Wild Shore, The Gold Coast, and Pacific Edge, all by Kim Stanley Robinson. Then read them each through once. Take your time...
Now, after reading those books, rethink all your values, and change all your goals.
That's my suggestion. Granted it might not work for you, but it's doing wonders for me.
A good start to knowing what to do with your life may begin with not posting to slashdot asking what to do with your life.
If any other geeks want to know what to do with your life. QUIT your job, then my skills will become worth way more. Which means i can get a better paying job and buy stuff that I want.
SO do what I ask and all will be good with my life. Because in all Honestly i could not care friggin less what you do with yours.
You will only feel successful when you make other people successful... and help spread God's Word. Just send in a small portion to me at regular intervals, and you will indeed be successful! ; )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
I don't know about the rest of you, but I've found nirvana. In the last year I've ejected my "spend it before you can earn it" wife, ditched the first wireless ISP I founded due to some truly disgusting behavior on the part of the other people involved in it, and disassociated myself from that whole money/cars/keeping up with those annoying Jones folks.
... but when I get home at night Ms. "save it after you earn it" is waiting for me. Long red hair, big green eyes, nearly tall enough to look me in the eye, and a perfect size six. I'm too much of a gentleman to disclose any more ... just eat your hearts out :-)
...
Now when I get to work in the morning I can be a little late, look out the window and chill if there is nothing big planned, and there isn't some a$$w1p3 middle manager who drug his childhood sexual abuse issues (yes, Jamie, I'm talking about you) into work.
I hate to stir up you dateless wonders
Maybe I'll take up tai chi. Maybe yoga. My first ride was an early 70s muscle car and I got its corpse back from a junkyard three years ago - now I've got time to fix it before gasoline is outlawed and maybe my son can learn to drive with it. I really *should* finish college one of these days but I don't know what I want to do if I grow up.
On second thought, I'm starting to think this whole 'growing up" business is vastly overrated
I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
i've decided to drop the computer degree for an education degree.. go figure..
--even a broken watch is correct twice a day.
I seriously find it pretty disturbing that there can be an article about "what to do with your life" and the whole thing talks about different careers. Am I really the only one who thinks that work is the very last thing I want to do with my life? .....
Not that I'm lazy mind you. There's plenty of things I do as hobbies all the time that I could make a career out of, but why would I want to? I don't know about anyone else, but I've never met anyone happy with their career. I've never met anyone who would continue working if they were rich just because it makes them happy. I'm sure these people exist, but how many? So far everyone I know keeps telling me "you can do anything.... just apply yourself... don't you want to go to college...can't you at least get you H.S. diploma to fall back on... don't you want some money?.... wouldnt it be nice to be comfortable.... you can't just bum around forever...
Like hell I can't! Recently, I limit myself to one line of reasoning when talking to these people "That's what you did. Are you happy?" So far noone has answered "yes". Instead they just look scared for a second, freeze and wait for me to continue. When I do continue, everyone eventually admits that they only keep working because they fear poverty and wouldn't know what else to do.
Fear poverty?! I'm gonna have to agree with crimethinc. (http://www.crimethinc.com/) "crime, poverty, homelesnes: if your not having fun your doing it wrong!" And, the "lower" I sink on societies generally accepted scale of "succes" the happier I find myself becoming. I remember the last time I dropped out of High school and realized that I could never go back, I spent the night walking around town drinking with a friend. The night was somewhat intimidating because I had realized that I was now more or less permanently cut off from that world. i knew that I had a thousand opportunities, which I had just carelessly thrown on the trash heap. A job, college, a wife, kids, a car, a house, a swimming pool, a big screen tv, rack mount home theater, cutting edge computer and last but not least, taylor made armani threads with a professional manicure and the hair cut to match. It's funny to look back and admit that there was I time i might be afraid of discarding that whole "2.3 kids and a picket fence" lifestyle. Nowadays I can't even fathom what would compell a person to get by on that. That night when I first realized I had lost all that, I realized I had gained much more. Namely a group of close friends who I knew to be in this with me together, and free time. Alot of it.
That's the free time to pursue your dreams, in case you weren't paying attention. To me, that was the free time to read more than most people do in a lifetime. That was learning how to play guitar. That was starting to write again. That was going out for long bike rides around town. That meant becoming a fairly proficient chess player. That meant sitting around pots of coffee hammering out the finer points of anarcho/objectivist philosophy. While chain smoking like a fiend. That still means not having to worry about the effects of said chain smoking, because I'm alive TODAY. My values, my hopes my dreams...none of these are rooted in tommorow.
And of course, that's the biggest swindle of them all: delayed gratification. And I don't mean we should all get what we want right now in every situation, but working 40 hours a week for the next forty years of your life so that you can have a happy retirement?!? Was that a fucking joke that went to far? Most people get done with their 40 years, and then spend their time alone, becuase their family is now busy with their own careers, their friends are in nursing homes and the family dog just didn't last that long. Or worse, they're in nursing homes. What were they working for all that time? A bedpan? Was it that catheter they found to tempting to resist? Maybe late retirement was a reasonable thing back in the olden days when our society still believed in lookin out for your family and parents, but that's not the case anymore. Now it's just "dump 'em in a home and get back to work." And of course why would you argue, you've got debt. Your trapped in your mortgage, car payment, college loans, credit cards, shiney new DVD player, and those air jordans your kid would have DIED without. And who could blame you, you HAVE to get back to work. Otherwise, you'll never get out of debt and get YOUR happy retirement. Oh wait, that's not coming anyway.
I suggest instead... retire now. Yup today.Just get up, turn off your computer and go tell your boss " I regret to inform you that I no longer believe this non-sense to be in my best interest" or, tell him to take his job and shove it. Whatever you prefer. Just do it. Then, you can go home and spend some time with your family. You can have a beer with your friends. The possibillities are endless. You can play a game with your kids. You can start writing that book. You can try to do something positive for the world. Go to a treesit. Work with food not bombs. Go to D.C. on Jan. 18 and see first had that anarchy DOES work. You can start trying to figure out what to do with your life. Just keep in mind that this is your retirement and you can do whatever you want. Yeah , say it again with me "whatever you want".
Don't beg for the right to live - take it.
Geez, and what are you, exactly? I hope this guy/kid doesn't live in you're neighborhood or workplace. Maybe you should watch the news and give your family members a call.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
Y'know, I appreciate all the innocent and simple definitions of success, but many of them gloss over a financial fly in the ointment: it's horribly difficult to have fun when you are flat broke, or (more commonly) completely in debt with no way to pay it off.
Some of us are lucky: we have jobs about which we are passionate, spouses we love unconditionally, houses tucked in at the base of mountains in locations where the quality of life is excellent (hunting, fishing, camping, in a city of 8500 people). But the truth is, my life would suck if I had to perform actual physical labor.
Yes, I could make more money working somewhere else, as a DBA or a programmer or a systems engineer or a middle manager of other geeks. I am not underpaid, though I haven't purchased a new motherboard in 3 years. But if geekdom didn't pay so well, I would not be nearly as happy as I am now.
So it isn't the money, entirely, and it isn't that I love my work, entirely. It's that I receive a decent paycheck for something I enjoy, and I've found the people I want to live among, and work with.
But if it weren't for the pay, I'd probably be doing something that paid more but I still love, like finish carpentry.
I think that's the key: a person can be "successful" at whatever they decide to pursue, as long as their goals are modest, their abilities competent, and their capacity for happiness unbounded.
But it's hard to be happy when you get payed $6/hr to peddle inferior products to disrespectful customers for a boss who sees you as a replacable commodity.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
The trouble with being smart is that you're intellectually malleable enough to be taught to do some really stupid things. Normal people (and below) just nod their head and more or less do what they were going to do. High IQ types are taught to focus on their careers, be politically correct, only have one child if they get married at all, and assorted other things that would confuse the hell out of Darwin, and all too often we listen to it.
And you're really screwed if you fit the profile for Asperger's Syndrome.
The point of life is more life.
I wish I actually followed that philosophy.
An Italian convertible sports car.
When everything else goes wrong in one day, dropping the top and going for a cruise in my Alfa Romeo will make everything right in the world once again.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
WORST. MODAPPEAL. EVER.
TYLER
I see in fight club the strongest and
smartest men who have ever lived --
an entire generation pumping gas and
waiting tables; or they're slaves
with white collars.
Advertisements have them chasing cars
and clothes, working jobs they hate
so they can buy shit they don't need.
We are the middle children of
history, with no purpose or place.
We have no great war, or great
depression. The great war is a
spiritual war. The great depression
is our lives. We were raised by
television to believe that we'd be
millionaires and movie gods and rock
stars -- but we won't. And we're
learning that fact. And we're very,
very pissed-off.
for the sake of you're family and cared ones, try to make it look like an accident. And be prepared to face institutionalization, where you'll meet people who've made suicide attempts a hobby, and think and feel just like you :)
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Next fifteen years, trained as a computer engineer and earned enough to retire by banking as much as possible into a retirement fund.
Now, I tinker around with computers and build wooden toys for the local toyshops. No pressure, no worries, no ulcer and I can get up in the morning with a smile on my face.
The secret is to bank as much as possible as early as possible. That way you can retire way earlier than fifty and enjoy life. If you buy all the latest gear and the BMW as soon as it comes out you'll find yourself behind a desk at fifty five, and that ain't no fun.
There are three aspects to every task.
1) How much do you like doing this task?
2) How good are you at this task compared to others.
3) What do you receive in exchange for doing this task?
There are lots of minor rule definitions I have added to this, (like rule 2 is in comparison to everyone else, e.g.: being an ok brain surgen is better than being great at sweeping floors)
As soon as I discovered this it seemed obvious which of the tasks I undertake should get more time. For example I play much less computer games and watch much less mindless t.v. I also volunteer more, I coach H.S. sports and recently signed up as a volunteer fireman.
Come up with your own method of scoring each point. Please let me know if you want to suggest another. btw: how long the task takes and how much it costs you are take care of in 3. Thus I no longer ski as much. Its just too expensive and too far from where I live.
Mark
give me a break! You should be sharing this somewhere else, anyway.
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I WANNA ROCK!
:P
--Twisted Sister
Ok, ok, I couldn't help myself.
I mean, have you seen this video? Have you seen this?!
We dance to all the wrong songs.
--Refused.
The older I get (I'm 35), the more I realize that the only really important things in my life are the people in it. I'm lucky, though. I like my job and I'm paid well and treated well, but my job doesn't define my life. The people in my life are the most important thing in my life. My family and friends matter the most to me, but my employees, cow-orkers and the people I regularly buy things from also matter to me.
As someone wiser than me once pointed out, the question you should be asking yourself is: What do you want people to say about you when you're gone?
sorry.. heh...btw i am.. i have been.. but how many years would u be able to "hang in there.." ? 10? 20?
I used to agree before my wife left me. Which she did in part because I wasn't bringing in enough money and she didn't have the Career she wanted. Wives (and by default, children) are only good for 4-8 years. Nowadays jobs are too, but no workplace blackmailed me for alimony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_bloc
The solution, I've found, is not to make more, but to spend less -- a lot less. If you're working in IT like many slashdotters, you can probably live quite comfortably and support a family on half of what you earn. After all, there are people out there who earn half as much as you do, who are nevertheless able to make ends meet and lead happy lives.
Yes, you'll have to get used to some pretty big lifestyle changes, but consider: You will never again have to worry about whether or not you have enough money in the checking account, or scramble to pay for an unexpected and costly emergency, or stress about how you'll make next month's mortgage payment if you lose your job.
And best of all, if you're even a little bit smart about it, you'll be able to retire young. Then you can do any kind of work that makes you feel fulfilled, without having to worry about getting paid for it.
"We've discredited the notion that the Internet would change everything..."
no, it is changing everything! you're just not going to make a billion almighty bucks. we are living in one of the most interesting time periods ever, and we don't know what we want. the book "flow" has some very interesting discussions about what makes us happy. reasonable challenge, playful, sometimes repetitive = engaged. how can one be creative when one is under extreme pressure? and, last but not least, helping others can be rewarding. surprise!
I have a theory that if you can do what you dreamed of doing when you were 14 or 15, you'll have a fulfilling career. By then your personality had pretty well gelled, but other ... um ... distractions hadn't yet comepletely clouded your vision. You may take some detours along the way, and that's okay. Just be careful not to take on too many financial obligations too soon. You'll end up chasing money instead of your dream, and you may never get back on track.
....this article is so long I have no doubt that 99% of the people posting in this thread did not.
Please read the entire article.
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
Like I've said elsewhere, everyone has their own definition of success. To me, part of being successful is doing things that others simply can not. Having kids is not anything special, hundreds of millions of people do it. To you, it may be a really big deal, to me it's just someone else (most likely another asshole in the making) to suck away my tax dollars.
Everyone here seems to be confused about what success is. Success isn't happines, they are not synonyms. Success is a measure of achievement in life (you may insist that happiness is part of total achievement, but I do not necessarily). There are a lot of things that can be combined to define a successful person (including happiness). But, missing some of those elements does not preclude one from being successful. Also, having a kid is certainly not a major achievement, nor does it assure happiness (quite the opposite in some cases).
I'm not going to break out a dictionary definition here, just so I don't repeat myself, I already tried to define success elsewhere today.
Having kids absolutely does not make you successful. It may give you personal satisfaction, but satisfaction is not success. Personally, I tend to feel sorry for people who need to define themselves by their children. It's ultimately bad for them, and often bad for the kids.
Don't get me wrong, this isn't a slight against you personally, but against the idea that having kids is some noble goal. I would expect that you've picked up this "value" of having children from our society. This is some remnant from when life was harder, and raising a child into an adult was a major challenge, and the population kind of needed lots of births (plagues, starvation, etc). This is no longer the case. As far as I'm concerned...
baby: (noun) an alimentary canal, with a loud vocal organ at one end, and no responsibility at the other. [I forget who originally said that, maybe Ambrose Bierce?]
Down with Saudi Arabia!!!
So more important than the advice to ditch your life for a new one, I would suggest finding ways to deal with bad situations to make them better.
I think it all comes down to defining ones values. Conflict comes from either not knowing ones values or doing things that go against ones values. The answer, I think, is to strongly define ones values and stick with them, despite the consequences. Don't quit banking because you're asked to do immoral things, don't do those things and work to change it. Don't quit IT because your tired of being a Microsoft slave in the certification rut, liberate yourself by learning a new skill (like Linux) or solving problems in new ways. You don't need to farm fish or join a monastery to find satisfaction and happiness, that's just one way. Work from within to simply hold onto your values and the job will transform. If you don't know your values or need to redefine, well, that's your next step.
Yes, it's simplistic advice, but it accepts the fact of suffering in life and that sometimes bailing is not always an option. I think we bail on too many things in this culture: jobs, relationships, school, marriages, religion, etc. Life is difficult for most people, especially when there's uncertainty and doubt. Get your head straight, define your values, follow them, and let the chips fall where they may. Change attitude, not latitude, to paraphrase a popular beer commercial.
Nothing.
I would sit on my ass and do nothing.
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
"Don't you know the Dewey decimal system?"
humor ( P ) (hymr)
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n.
1. The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: could not see the humor of the situation.
2. That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement: a writer skilled at crafting humor.
3. The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd.
Just because you seem to need it
Don't make this such an absolute concept. Most people *need* change in their lives and will go through *several* careers through 40 years of employment. You have to ask if these people will also be satisfied with working at their new careers for 8 or 20 years from now. Again, I'm not criticizing the depth of their commitment. Things change, that's all.
Thanks for listening, and thanks for the suggestion. The primary reason that I go through Live365 for my broadcasting is that they take care of licensing and bandwidth fees. I pay a flat $5/month fee to them and my station is totally legal. Pretty good deal, really.
The original article reminds me of the mindless fluff-book, Rich Dad Poor Dad. Got survival problems? Hey, just borrow $1 million from the bank and start a business.
I read: "What Should I Do With My Wife?"
I gave up college to become a fast-paced, overpaid computer weenie. Now I spend my life chasing around other people's problems and buried in lame paperwork. The only good thing I have really done for myself was not to by an expensive house like all the other techies, because I haven't totally tied myself in. Being a techie sucks, because no matter what you do, people only notice you when you piss them off. You can never take serious pride in your work, because if someone else doesn't break it every day, you will have to update the OS/Software/whatever too often to to step back and look at what you have done. The money doesn't matter, because you can't enjoy it when you have to worry about a to-do list that you have no hope of catching up to. Mentors are rare at best, because companies never want to spend money training anyone, so all the experts are executives or academics. You will never have a decent social life, because all the time around computers sticks you into a different world mentally.
Stay out of tech. It is not worth the stress, the denegration, or the way it will take over your life. Do not worry about money, because the things you own WILL end up owning you. Do something fun, take pictures, and write about it. Enjoy life, because you only get one.
- quit whining
- kill youself or otherwise cause to be removed from the gene pool
Let's see, three AC replies, each more than 2 minutes apart. PhysicsGenius, you aren't astroturfing your own posts, are you? Come to think of it, this might be a fake comment as well.
Actually, to get things truly to the SEI level 5, would be to create a harmonious working atmosphere where the business process accurately reflected the way which the work is actually done. If I could have a hand in bringing that to the people, I would feel like a hero.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
If a person can wear nice clothes and be at peace with himself, then why the hell shouldn't he? Personally, I like to wear nice clothes; I'd much prefer to wear clean, comfortable jeans, silk shirts, and soft wool sweaters than grubby clothes or ugly suits.
I think that the secret is to look at "the job" as a means to an end. The end? Your happiness. You cannot be happy if you're stone broke, sleeping on sidewalks, and eating out of trashcans.
www.readishmael.com :)
Start there for answers about the workforce.
Dismantle globally, renew locally.
No, I'm the guy who added the "nice try" comment and I am most certainly not PhysicsGenius. I just know a bad attempt when I see one.
You know what they say the secret to a Happy Life is (in no particular order):
Russian Wife
American Salary
Chinesse Cuisine
British House
And the reverse, the secret to an uhappy life:
Russian Salary
American Wife
Chineese House
British Cuisine
I got three out of 4 for Happiness!
Maybe I'm the only parent in all of Slashdot?
After my daughter was born, I realized that nothing that my career could provide me was going to be more satisfying or more important that what I could do for her, specifically, and for others, generally. I found a city 1000 miles away that was a better place to raise her and found a new job there, one that has a 40 hour work week 80-90% of the time. I have the time to spend with my daughter that I wanted, and my wife, and that makes me happier.
And . . . I'm just getting settled into the new city, new job, new home here (it's been under six months), but now I'm asking the question in a serious way -- What should I do with my life? And the answers I keep getting back involved how I spend all those hours other than the 40 in the office, not just with my family, but with my community, with people who have less than me, with a system of politics in the U.S. that I think is fundamentally broken in all the obvious ways and others not so obvious, with the world. I could try to find a job in that, but I really don't think there is one that pays me to do the things I want to do to make a difference, and I won't accept the logic of this article, which seems would make those possibilities outside of a career invisible.
My new job is fine. I get to use my IT skills, it pays enough, I like the people I work with well enough. Sometimes I like it more, and sometimes I like it less. It isn't a wild rollercoaster with 80 hour weeks and crazy deadlines (which I loved and hated), like my last job. But I never dread coming to the office, not even on my worst day of work. It's good enough for me, and it gives me the change to not let my career define me, and not let my career shape the possibilities for what will make me happy and satisfied. And this article missed that, completely.
You have 2 purposes. Kill people and break things.
I would never be so bold and disrespectful as to suggest being Satan. I just felt that selfless service to Satan was a fufilling career.
Travel, live in other countries, get to appreciate other people's point of view, strengths, learn from their weaknesses. For me personally there is no better thing than learning about other people. Your house can burn down, your money can be taken away (you might do something stupid like investing into Enron with it), but your memories and your experience will always stay. And when I say experience I don't mean job related experience but experience in life.
Just my $.02
Q: What should I do with my life?
A: TRAVEL !
- Matthieu
I'd like a job where I can sleep in as late as I want. Then I can wake up and eat butter and milkshakes for a few hours. Then I go back to bed for as long as I want. Then I wake up and I get to have sex with Victoria Secret models until I grow bored. Then I play golf or go bowling.
Occasionally I read, but then back to the sleeping.
And I would be paid money so big that rap songs would be written about me from an envious vein.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
from his parody of that sunscreen song from a few years back.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of '98,
People often ask me if I have any advice to offer
And when they do, I tell them this:
If you're unsure about what you're going to do with your life,
Try to remember, some of the most interesting people didn't know what they were going to do at age twenty-two or even at forty, and nearly all of them are
unemployed drug addicts forced to live on cat food.
Also understand that friends will come and go, this is because of your irritating personality, nobody likes you. So if the only thing getting you thought the
day is the misconception that people like you, end it now. (bang, gunshot)
Learn how to smoke Whinny Blues, if you're under aged, get an older kid to buy them for you.
Get to really know your parents, they're good for money, milk them, then put them in an old people's home.
Travel as often as you can, live in New York City once, live in Northern California once, never live in Adelaide, It's a hole.
Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't, maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't, if you do have children, lock them under the stairs.
Do one thing each day that scares you, sing, dance, jump in front of a car.
Do not trust anyone who tries to update Sheakespear for the kids, and if you see Quindon Tarver in the street, punch him in the face for me.
Chorus
Brother and Sister, we can be free (smack)
If you're worried about the way you look, try to remember, you're probably fatter than you think, maybe you should consider an eating disorder. Don't
worry too much about the future. If you're nervous about an exam, ring up your school to schedule time, and make a bomb threat. If you're a girl, lie about
period pains to get out of anything you don't want to do. Cheat if you think you can get away with it. Remember, someone with richer parents is getting
private tuition.
Shop-lift as often as you can, Shopping Centres factor shop-lifting into their prices, so if you don't do it, it's like they're getting money for free.
When you're on work experience, steal a cab-charge, and take a Taxi to Perth.
Wear sunscreen, but only if it's that coconut oil that gives you cancer.
Keep your old love letters, if you see an old lover in the street, try to run them over in your car.
Don't mess too much with your hair, or else by the time you're thirty-five, you'll look like Greg Matthews.
Remember you can wear your underwear four times without washing them, Forwards, Backwards, inside-out Forwards, inside-out Backwards.
Chorus twice
(bang bang bang bang)
Congregate in gangs around train stations and shopping centres, it's a free country, It's public space. Skateboard on War Memorials.
Smoke in your School uniform.
Set off car alarms.
Plant Drugs on a teacher.
Join a cult.
Spike Drinks.
Don't flush public toilets.
Remember, only you will truly take care of you, so carry a concealed weapon.
Don't wear your 'P' plates.
Walk around with your eye lids rolled back.
Touch your tongue on the tip of batteries.
Be open to new love.
Remember, you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex.
Expect others to support you, it's easy to get the doll and still do cash in hand work.
Respect your elders, when your grandma dies, have her stuffed.
Be kind to your knees, you'll miss them when you're knee capped by a loan shark.
Get revenge, don't forgive anyone for anything,
But most of all, don't aim too high, you're probably only suited to an office or factory job.
And trust me on the Whinny Blues.
glossary, whinny blues- winfield cigerettes,
dole- welfare,
Greg Matthews- aussie cricketer that advertises hair replacement procedures.
P plates- probationary drivers hace to put these on their car.
Perth- capital city of Western Australia along way from anywhere, (around 3000 km to the next major city).
Adelaide- capital of South Australia, it's a hole.
"So I'm expecting my first child."
(Applause and cheers from crowd.)
"It's not that big a deal -- all I did was fuck my wife."
Method of processing duck feet
Well, what do you expect if you are living in Los Angeles?
The WORST city in the whole country to live in. And California is the worst state.
Once I make my millions, I'm going to retire to a life of charity work.
My current plan is to start up "Handjobs for the Homeless." I will hire busty blondes to work in plush living quarters where homeless men can come in and get handjobs for free. And some booze if they want it. Then back into the harsh world that bred them once they are done.
You might ask what I will do for the homeless women.
And the answer is... I don't know. Them bitches is ugly.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
I've been doing that forever, from doing a startup and exhibiting at my first COMDEX in 1985, through most of a decade working on the Alta Ski Patrol, doing emergency medicine, avalanche control and rescue dog training, to what I'm doing now, trying to bring my vision of exercising in God's most beautiful places while right in your living room, and doing it in such way that it will have an effect on what is becoming the epidemic of our time: obesity. See more about it at http://www.exerscape.com
And hopefully making enough money to be warm, fed, and comfortable in my old age, and show my children the world in the future.
The one continuing theme has been following my passions, from computers through the outdoors, from bike racing through digital media, from playing with explosives to create avalanches to my current obsession, the Palestinian conflict and its ongoing effect on the world's view of the US. When a you are consistently on the losing end of UN resolutions 160-4, something is wrong with your position, but the Bushies just don't seem to get it....
Anyway, follow your passions, follow the path of your curiosity, and go through the doors that naturally open when you do so. The tough times seem easier, the good times seem sublimley happy, inner satisfaction is assured, and you will almost assuredly see enough financial success to survive, if not prosper.
Just my 2 cents : )
All the comments I've read are making me think of a song by a French singer, Francis Cabrel, called "Photos de Voyages". I'll translate a bit of it, to the best of my ability:
Like a child of the islands,
wearing nothing on his skin.
He quietly watches the tourst boats cross.
You get off the boat and walk up to him,
money in your pocket, and take his picture.
At the end of your trip, sitting
in your living room, you see his
face again staring up at you from
the bottom of a shoe box.
You have your money.
He has the sun.
He has all his time.
You have your camera.
You take back your pictures, your travel photos. You think you're as happy as he is.
You have your business lunches
and your nights spent at work.
He's sitting outside, hair down
to his waist, repairing a net
to catch fish at the coral reef.
In the middle of your city,
you're all bundled up.
Sometimes the temperature drops
to 15 degrees below 0.
Sitting in his little cabin in
the hot sun, he's drinking
coconut milk.
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Sorry for the crappy translation, but that's the general idea. The person with the money, going on vacation, taking the pictures is really just trying to convince themselves that they're happy with all their possessions, even though they spend most of their time working to maintain them. The guy living on an island in the warm sun, drinking milk and fishing off the reef has no money, but all the time in the world.
While I don't want to really be at either extreme, I like the message the song delivers: don't get so caught up in working for stuff that you don't have time to enjoy life.
bytesmythe
Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
...try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations, and, finally...
That one day I would be a great engineer, and would create things that make people's lives better and more interesting. I have been doing that for 3 years now, and I have really enjoyed it. I would also like to be an US Army Ranger or a Green Beret. Or at least some kind of soldier. I think success is fighting for the greater good of man and earth. It doesn't sound that hokey if you think about it.
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In other words, a writer and a magazine who made themselves by proclaiming that the only worthwhile use of your life is starting a dot-com, going public and keeping your stock price elevated until the lockup period ends and you can bail out are now embracing "money won't make you happy".
But I have to admit that the dot-com ride was kinda fun while it lasted. (Too bad the hangerover is a real bowl-hugger.) It is an "experience" that tranforms you. It is an education of a kind that you can never get in school, and probably equally as useful (or un-useful perhaps). If it happens again, I could then recognized the warning signs. It was a lesson in human nature, something us geeks need more of.
I would describe the dot-com ride like a frantic hunt in the forest for a rumored treasure. You never knew what was around the next clump of trees, but you felt excited about finding out. "Engage! Number One."
Yes, it was fool's gold, and we are all now being punished for our foolishness, but it was an interesting once-in-a-lifetime experience.
(BTW, I jumped into the web world primarily because it looked like a good B-to-B solution over installing a hundred EXE's {hence my SCGUI push}. The dot-com-company thing just sort of came with it. Few were hiring for B-to-B-only projects at the time anyhow I would note. So I was gently pulled into the dot-com fool's gold world.)
Table-ized A.I.
I good indication that you're in the wrong line of work is that you RESENT what the job requires you to do!
Unless you were rapidly promoted well beyond your level of competence I would think there was a fair amount of time and effort involved in transitioning from being a "normal factory worker" to being a systems administrator in a "large company." At some point before reaching a point of total resentment of their job a wise person would look at what they were doing and say "enough is enough, this job is not for me, I hate it."
Apparently you never did this... but nothing is stopping you from walking away now is it?
I've never understood theists who claim that their god and their religion (in most cases, Christianity) is the meaning of life and how it makes life more worth living. It seems to me that the exact opposite is true. Christianity teaches people that they are essentially horrible and that existence on Earth is something that they have to "go through" before their "real life" with God in Heaven starts. Almost makes our Earth-bound existence sounds like sort of a chore, doesn't it?
To atheists, on the other hand, what you have is what you get. You are not going to get an eternity in Heaven as part of some second existence. When you die, that's it. So it's up to you to make the most of each and every minute of each and every day, because you're not getting anything else, baby. Despite all of its problems, I tend to think that the world is still a very beautiful place, and one certainly does not need angels, devils, and Jesii to enjoy it and have meaningful experiences in it.
We human beings are never happier than when we are expressing the deepest gifts that are truly us. (45)
A sense of calling should precede a choice of job and career, and the main way to discover calling is along the line of what we are each created and gifted to be. Instead of, "You are what you do," calling says: "Do what you are." (46)
If there is no Caller, there are no callings - only work. (42)
God does call us to "be ourselves" and "do what we are." But we are only truly "ourselves" and can only truly "do what we are" when we follow God's call. (48)
We are not called first to special work but to God. (43)
The notion of calling is vital to the modern search for a basis for moral responsibility and to an understanding of ethics itself. (90)
All we are is a hearing and a response. We are responsible because we are response-able. Between the first word of God's creation and the last word of His judgment our ways of life are our response to God's Word to us. (92)
To make the choice of career or profession on selfish grounds, without a true sense of calling, is probably the greatest single sin any young person can commit, for it is the deliberate withdrawal from allegiance to God of the greatest part of time and strength. (47)
Be "inner-directed" by God rather than "other-directed" by our environment. Don't succumb to "outside-in" thinking. (74, 75)
In many cases a clear sense of calling comes only through a time of searching, including trial and error. Clarity may apply to only a part of your calling at first. (52)
Life is lived forward but understood backward. (53)
But I'm not sure I'll stay that way. I got good offers because my Ph.D. came in 1998 (a good year, probably would have been a bit better if I finished a year earlier). However, I saw the writing on the wall, and decided that the tech winter would last a few years. It came a few years later than I expected (I thought 1999 would be the end of the world, but the tech boom lasted into 2000). I do think the next big thing is coming soon (but I don't know what it is yet) since the tech industry has 10 year cycles for major innovations (late 70's early 80's it was the P.C. and in the early/min 1990's it was the world wide web and networking). The next big thing is due but it isn't clear what it will be or how it will be used.
At least you're not bitter or anything... over zealous cock sucker...
ESR says life should be filled with pigs. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 02, @02:25PM (#5000374) What to do with life ? Become a pigfucker !! What is a pigfucker you ask ? A pigfucker is that man that finds humongous, disgusting, fat, obnoxious, lard-ass, twinkie hoggin', wide-load ass, women (aka "plus size") attractive.
Most men from the mid-west find pigs attractive. Also desperate losers who think they're cool because they're living out their high school fantasies with huge pigs. ESR (who in 1999 was selling his dump online) thinks pigs are cool. Of course, if he ever got a piece of reall ass, though he probably phucked a lot of men. Obviously he's gay. Look at him, deformed animal !
So if you dont have purpose in life yet, become a pigfucker. At least you'll be sure she'll never leave you because whos going to fuck a pig except a directionless loser like yourself.
Happy 2003 losers !
What to do with life ? Become a pigphuker !! What is a pigphuker you ask ? A pigfucker is that man that finds humongous, disgusting, fat, obnoxious, lard-ass, twinkie hoggin', wide-load ass, women (aka "plus size") attractive.
Most men from the mid-west find pigs attractive. Also desperate losers who think they're cool because they're living out their high school fantasies with huge pigs. ESR (who in 1999 was selling his dump online) thinks pigs are cool. Of course, if he ever got a piece of reall ass, though he probably phucked a lot of men. Obviously he's gay. Look at him, deformed animal !
So if you dont have purpose in life yet, become a pigphuker At least you'll be sure she'll never leave you because whos going to phuck a pig except a directionless loser like yourself.
Happy 2003 losers !
I'm planning to read slashdot and hopefully see my karma get better and better until I am carried into the heavens on a chariot drawn by penguins.
The first part of your post was quite correct; if you're going to spend your life chasing a proverbial carrot, then make sure you enjoy the chase, because you'll never get that carrot.
The second part of your post was pure flamebait, and boiled down to "If you find Gawd, you'll be happy; if you don't, you're screwed." I'm sorry, but I'm one of the many that have found the exact opposite to be true; finding the lack of any deity has put my life in order. For some, this doesn't work -- apparently you're one of that camp. For others, they need to find Allah, or seek the wisdom of Buddha. For some, like me, atheism is the only way to fly.
It just really gets on my tits when some evangelist just *has* to put their two cents in that "we can't find happiness and fullfillment outside of God."
In a nutshell, happiness is where you find it. It can't be given to you by a church, or sold to you in a store. It can only be found by you, and only when you're ready to find it.
--
I Hit the Karma Cap, and All I Got Was This Lousy
is cause they don't have the luxury - like most of the people he interviews - of taking the time to find out. They have to keep working at their shit job because they have to EAT or get food so their kids can EAT.
... it only makes sens to people who already have enough money to eat and live.
This discussion is so middle class
You want a real hero? Grab a copy of The Fountainhead and read about Howard Roark.
I think Boiler Room said it best....
"Money can't buy happiness? Look at the fucking smile on my face..."
I've spent the last year doing nothing in far-off places: in short, I took a Gap year. I met people who's dreams ranged from seeing a sunrise in every country in the world, to seeing one plant grow in their yard. Why did I take a year away from my future and spend a great deal of money on the process? To try and uncover the surface of this post - what do I want to do with my life. Did I find the answer? Not especially. I found a what a whole bunch of other people want to do with their lives, but couln't come to grips with what I wanted with mine. And then it hit me, while sitting in the Auckland airport.
I want to create something beautiful. I want to bring something that I see as beauty into the world.
I haven't found what that will be - will it be a memory of a scene in a foerign land, will it be a circuit so efficient and well made that the only fittign word is beautiful - but that's what I want to do. But to generalize, isn't that what we all want to do? Pick anyone famous, and within a few minutes you can find the beauty the sought to produce. Plato? The idea of the rule of the people. Einstein? A family (but look what he cam up with to get there). Hitler? A pure aryan race - he saw that as beauty, despite the fact that most of us don't.
So there you have it. What do I want to do with my life? Make something beautiful. Now, I just have to discover what that's gonna be...
Cue The Sun...
How I wish I were born in the middle ages, Then you did not wait to answer such questions, you were busy finding food to keep u alive rather than worrying what to do with life
So move to the ghetto and live the kind of life that you supposedly wish for.
Well I think if you measure success by the size of a bank account or how many "things" you own, you'll never achieve it. Having a house with 20 rooms, and five maids to clean is not successful. I think the best measure is if you have the things you like, just enough to keep you busy and interested you're on a good way. If you want enough money to go out every night to dance clubs or have a huge lot of computer parts, and can afford them then that should be fine. I make enough money to put some in saving go traveling some where around the world one a year, and enough to donate to different charities. Sure I would like to have a nice $30K car, but it all depends on how you_manage_ your money.
This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
Devote it to finding the asshole who's crapflooding /. with these gaysex posts today.
/.ers like myself.
When you find him, kill him slowly. I suggest lowering him very slowly into a wood chipper, feet-first. Videotape this and sell copies to annoyed
I Wanna Rock!
Is that a real poncho? I mean, is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
Fortunately, I have two passions in my life: my motorcycle and my computer. Time was I worked with computers and played with my motorcycle---the idea of coming home from ten straight hours of programming only to program some more didn't exactly appeal to me. Now that the dotcoms have vanished, I have taken a job selling motorcycles, and I hack recreationally again.
'Course, my recreational motorcycling has gone away...
This is not my sandwich.
Yeah, but some of us sober fellows, who were never suckered in, have been harmed by y'all's failures. I wish very deeply that everyone had started a little wiser, and just skipped that learning experience.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
I'll set up a pay per view; thanks for sorting my life out, dude! :D
The second part of your post was pure flamebait, and boiled down to "If you find Gawd, you'll be happy; if you don't, you're screwed."
Actually, the OP never said anything about being screwed if one didn't find God. I think you're reading to much of your own prejudices into what was posted to understand the point.
I think that the OP's point was that the enjoyment of life is not necessarily tied to materialistic goals. He found fulfillment in a lifestyle espoused by scripture. The issue of finding God was mentioned only in passing.
I too, have asked myself often whether or not God really exists. But inevitably, I come back to the same conclusion. However, trying to explain it rationally is often more trouble than it's worth - so many people will hear the word "God" and tune out, or they will assume they know what you're saying and end up repeating the same tired, thoughtless arguments. I've come to realize that logical arguments almost never make a difference in what a person believes - what happens most often is that the person has a hunch about the truth and goes off seeking arguments to support his or her view.
Now for the flamesuit:
And I cannot even begin to discuss religious topics without someone trying to label me as this or that kind of person and dismissing the argument completely. The extent to which a person will go to avoid a thoughtful, well reasoned dialog, or even thinking, for that matter, never ceases to amaze me.
Okay, you can put me back in your "religious nutcase" box right next to the "evangelists with superiority complexes" box.
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Why is this modded as five? I don't understand.
How does that auto translate into "starting a dot-com" and then going bust??? He used to work for Wall Street, read the other comments. He's trying to establish credibitly or some common ground with the reader by sharing his experience when he talks about his early view on work.
For the most part, I think that what he's trying to say here is that maybe some of us think that there are some things that are "it" that we want, just because we want it for the looks, or the challenge; or whatever reason we crave or want a job or position in life. But in reality, what every person wants is a job (or life) that is a relection of them and what they do best. What makes them happy; whatever makes you happy, as the other comments on this story have pointed out.
I don't know, maybe he did go after a dot com or had that ideology, but in my view all he is doing is trying to get people to take a look at their lives; it is thought provoking. Maybe I just take people for honest too much. I don't belive he just did that and is now tryin' to comfort himself in that "money won't make you happy" thinking. Maybe he just make a mistake.
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Make their lives miserable and live to see their faces... that's much more rewarding.
You know - you got a point. I moved here from Germany 11 years ago and this is one of the default places Germans go because of the fantastic climate. What do I have to show for after living here for all that time? Maybe a handful of flaky friends and that's it. I fortunately just got rid of all my debt and bought a car that I paid off, so at least I am not playing that stupid game anymore.
;-)
Europe is not a picknick either, but I am keeping my eyes open for greener pastures...
Anyway, if you have suggestions for places in the U.S. that are known for their quality of life, let's hear it.
P.S.: I found a very gorgeous wife here though - so L.A. at least delivered on that promise
You're a sad, lonely man.
Conclusion: Therefore, any atheist who becomes a believer becuase of reading it is a stupid person.
Wow, someone's copping an atheist attitude without the usual logical rigor of a good little practicing atheist! Let's see which logical fallacies have been committed:
If you'd like a little more success to go with that attitude, I'd suggest reading up on Logic and Fallacies at The Athiesm Web.
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IANAL, but imagine a beowulf cluster of in Soviet Russia all your belong are base to us welcoming the new SCO overlords.
Hmmm. Are you male?
I'm female. And one of the things I have been coming to realize of late is that I need to worry less about the people in my life, and more about having meaningful work in my life. I was raised on the "it doesn't matter what you do..." idea, and it turns out that that can be a real subtle way of dismissing women's ambitions.
After all, if what really matters is the people in your life and not the kind of work you do, it's just as good to be a nurse as a doctor, a secretary as an executive, etc. Heck, you might as well stay home and raise babies.
So, actually, I've been coming to see the reverse of your conclusion -- that is really does matter what kind of work you do.
I do wonder if the issue is that men are (still) raised to see their whole identities in their jobs, while women (still) are raised to eschew taking any identity from their jobs. That you had to learn that the people matter, and that I had to learn that the work matters.
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Ask yourself what you would do if you won the lotto (that is, after you got tired of partying, which I realize might be a while). If I won, I think I would still try to write "beautiful" code
Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars you're supposed to be an auto mechanic.
Samir: So what did you say?
Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's why I'm working at Initech.
Michael Bolton: That question is bullshit to begin with. If everyone listened to her, there'd be no janitors, because no one would clean shit up if they had a million dollars.
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You make a good point, but the two are often entangled.
You can make serious money driving a cab. Heck, that's how Philip Glass supported himself even after his first opera debuted in New York.
But what about the poor guy who lives in NYC and has to work 11 hours a day just to make ends meet? What sort of a life does he have? He has 2 weeks a year vacation, and 2/7ths of his week to enjoy. 114 days out of 365 is 31.2%.. do you really want to 'live' for 31.2% of your finest years and work for the other 68.8% of it?
You could argue that the guy could go work someplace else, somewhere where the rents are cheaper, and he could work 7 hours a day and still get along okay. Fair argument, but life is different outside of NYC.. so it totally changes his life.
Arguing that 'life' and work can be kept separate is noble, but not realistic IMHO.
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Are you the guy who got profiled in the article Slashdot linked to yesterday?
I know what you mean about stuff not breaking though. But your job is clearly worth it, by definition, if you're still there. If not, leave, buy an RV, and go tour the US.
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The point of life is more life.
Is it? Assuming there's no [gG]od, and everything is relative, then your statement is not true, because "life" (the concept) is not concious.
In short, living things have a tendency to reproduce themselves because they're descended from ones that had a tendency to reproduce, and... so on.
Calling this a "purpose" is convenient, but IMHO not any more true than when we describe computer algorithms as if the machine running them were concious.
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"The universe is neutral - it isn't good or bad. People can choose to be good or evil. Only beings capable of understaning the impact of their actions can be good or evil."
Thank you for your nice opinion.
Seeing as I can't see anyone who has posted it already:
"What would you do if you had a million dollars?"
"I tell you what I'd do man, two chicks at the same time man"
"That's it? You had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?"
"Damn straight I always wanted to do that man, I think that if I was a millionaire I could hook that up, cause chicks dig dudes with money"
"Not all chicks"
"Well, type of chicks, that would double up on a dude like me dude."
"Good point."
"Now what about you now? What would you do?"
"Besides two chicks at the same time?"
"Well yeah."
"Nothing"
"Nuthin huh?"
"I would relax, I would sit on my ass all day, I would do nothing."
"Well you don't need a million dollars to do nothin man... Take a look at my cousin, he's broke don't do shit"
I started out wanting to be a scientist. Then I became a programmer, which I've been doing for fifteen years.
But I got into writing I think mainly by writing email and usenet posts, and more recently web pages.
Here are a few of the things I have written:
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Is This the America I Love?
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Why I Write
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Pointers, References and Values
So you see I write about all kinds of things. I've never had much luck at writing fiction or poetry though.The wonderful thing about the web is that just anyone can publish and anyone can read what you write. I get thousands of people reading my writing at my website each month. I think that's just wonderful.
One more - my New Year's Resolution is that by the end of the year I will finish writing The ZooLib Cookbook.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
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It doesn't matter if they CAN do the job -- they WILL get the job because of affirmative action quotas.
How about Massachusetts? Heck--many Presidents, the Free Software Foundation, Dr. Seuss, Basketball, Volleyball, and Tea Parties were invented here. Probably other things too...
And come 2003, a do not call list will exist (like NY has) where you can register for telemarketers... to not call you.
Do what you believe in. If you don't believe in anything, then help someone who does.
You will be amazed how many people don't follow or have their own beliefs. You will also be amazed when you see someone who does.
I am not talking about religion.
I'm an atheist too, and I always a have been. But lately I've discovered that life as an atheist is hopeless. This change in my thinking has been brought about by health difficulties that are *not* going to get better, ever.
What I've discovered about myself is that that my life as an atheist was OK as long as I had hope for the future, believing that any setback or difficulty (even if fairly substantial) would someday be moot as I recovered and went on to achieve my goals. Without that belief I am doomed. Unfortunately I am still an atheist.
It is better to perform 'what one OUGHT to do', however imperfect, than to perform 'what one likes to do', however perfect.
Likes and dislikes too often lead you to be attached to the RESULTS rather than the PROCESS of doing your work. Which is fine, if you want
a random sequence of meaningless short-term thrills to dominate your life.
The DANGER of following your own interests and inclinations, rather than likes, dislikes and
dot-fashions, is that you MAY REALLY like yourself independent of your current possessions!
Scary!
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Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...
that suicide is painless
It brings many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
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That is all...
That was posted to esa three days ago!
Success is obviously defined on a sliding scale. Years ago I was the bass player in a Celtic folk band. Growing up, I'd had dreams of being a famous musician, playing the big stages in front of huge audiences. I mean, that's what it means to be a successful rock star, right? So when I was in a Celtic folk band, I had to figure out what it meant to be a successful Celtic musician. It's not like Andy M. Stewart is going to sell out Madison Square Garden. But A) packing the small clubs regularly, and B) selling out your stock of CDs, even if you've only had a couple thousand pressed are decent enough goals, and sure enough, I found they were within reach.
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You probably took a psychology course or two in college; do you remember Maslow's hierarchy of human needs? It basically puts the needs of people into 5 groups in a pyramid shape, and states that you can't begin to work on a certain type of need until you've satisfied the one below it.
:).
Self-actualization
Recognition - (for achievements)
Belongingness - family, coworkers
Security - safety, job security
Physical - food, clothing, shelter
So obviously, if you're worrying about getting food, you're not thinking so much about living in a dangerous area. Living in a dangerous area? It's hard to concentrate on raising a good family (but it can be done; there are exceptions to every rule, including the rule that there are exceptions to every rule
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them while they do it.
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