The parent is a little shy on details and there is one more post farther down which is better, but I'll add my opinions. Assess your needs first. What kind of computer lab? What will the students be doing there? Is connectivity with MS apps/OS a requirement? What type of budget do you have for the changeover? What are your current and forecasted staffings for this lab? There are many "LTSP" posts, and I think that's great, because I administer 45 machines set up this way at my language lab in a Thai university, but it may or may not be for you. We require some Windows programs that were pruchased before I came on, so we use a Win2000 terminal server and the rdesktop program. It all works beautifully, but do NOT be confused by some of the posts below, because sound IS NOT supported on terminal server. The word from MS is maybe next generation (really makes you wish it was open source and you could just add it in, no?). I researched this for about four months, and, in the end, we went with K12LTSP, which is preconfigured for LTSP using auto DHCP on RH 7.2 with all sorts of difficult to set up issues already resolved (including sound). It includes a lot of extra software like openoffice, and you can just pop in a RH7.2 disk to get the development stuff you will probably need. It is an awesome piece of work, and I heartily recommend it. As I said, start with evaluating your needs before locking yourself into a solution that may cause you more headaches than individual machines. Dan
Can I open my mouth about the 50 or so ignorant "Why are we trying to be just like Windows?" comments. If you knew what you were talking about, you would have found an article by Creek on the Redmond Linux web site (which I think I read about six months ago) talking about the new UI concept he was trying to use, which just happened to be the same one Windows XP was moving to. He didn't copy their menus.
Take a look at the stinkin' product before you open your biased mouths. The RC1 was good enough that my whole country took the distro and translated it in order to be the "official" Linux distribution of Thailand. (nectec.or.th if you can read Thai) Creek wasn't trying to repackage Redhat or Mandrake and sell it as his own... he did what most of us who don't want to be part of the elite "I use Linux == I'm not a Windows loser" think we as a community should do to make a preloaded computer sell: He chose one desktop, which he felt was the best, and put one app of each kind, which he felt worked the best, made everything work out of the box for the USER!!! He made the interface, not like Windows, but so that the average user could figure out what to do if they've never used Linux before.
So... go ahead and spew your lofty "why are we trying to be like Windows," but, if you do, shut the fuck up about why Linux isn't accepted by foo corp or your brother-in-law. Anyone have a problem with that email me. For the record, I use Mandrake 8.1 and Linux-TLE 4.0 at home, and K12OS on my 45 client diskless server at work.
Hillarious, dude. The double-sided nature of slashdot! I wish I had mod points for you, but since I've been at -1 since, like, day 2 of my account, I guess it's not going to happen. My uplifting words will have to do.
Dan
Posting something for one purpose, to piss people off and or "troll" for a response. IE like throwing bait of the back of a boat to get a fish to bite, hence the term.
You know, that's funny, because I always thought that's what it meant, but whenever I've seen the fishing term,it's been spelled "trawling." Eventually, I came to think that was the origin, but that it was mis-spelled and took the meaning of troll, the ugly-under-the-bridge-with-the-billygoats-type. Just my thoughts. Dan
A quick Google search for him turns up the following companies:
Universal Interactive
Flipside
Havas Interactive
Blizzard Entertainment
Sierra On-Line
Educational Resources
He is listed mostly under the provacy policy pages
Dan
Life, Liberty, and the pusuit of happines was a phrase taken from Locke (a contemporary philosopher), who originally said "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property." The founding fathers of America were mostly Deists and believed strongly in Locke, but found the phrase too narrow.
I have seen several politicians who I honestly believed wanted to get rid of soft money, but the problem is that labor unions spend just as much money (in the US, and last time I checked) on campaign ads. The Republicans make their money on Soft Money, and the Democrats on labor ads. I moved to Thailand, where two bottles of beer is the going price for a vote. Things seem a lot simpler....
The dissenting states--including California, Massachusetts, and Connecticut--say the availability of a stripped-down browser, without all the extras would help restore competition to the software business. I think they mean stripped down OS, because a stripped down browser serves nothing in this argument.
I would like to applaud you for the decision to play by the rules. I used to get a lot of priveledged information, and people will NEVER just let me get off with "I can't relly talk about it."
I am not pro-proprietary software, but if you click "I Agree," you have given your word. If you do not hold to their EULA, then by your definition, you may not be a thief, but you most certainly are a liar. I believe we should take these attempted contracts at their 100% word, and if we can't in good concience agree to them, we don't buy. We don't click "I Agree." Only then will pressure come to bear on the companies that draft unacceptable EULAs. You have choices and your word. Make the choice and live by your word.
The P200 will not run fast if you do a local install, but I have quite a few at my university that I boot as a terminal, and they destroy the win 98 for speed.:) www.ltsp.org or www.k12os.org
With a system like this, you establish redundancy. I am currently implementing it for about 45 clients at a university. Again: redundancy and backup, backup, backup.
After having read to the bottom of the page and seeing no one else mention this, why is the author lumping Star Office (apparently 5.2) in with open source software? I know the source was opened up at a later date, but that was after removing some proprietary bits. As far as I know, Star Office may be free beer but is NOT open source.
I currently teach in Thailand, where cheating is so prevalent that it is virtually unstoppable. There is no ability for 90% of my students to come to an answer by themselves. It is sad, because I have always believed that it was the knowledge, and not the grade, that you should be studying for.
You see, when everybody in your group is unskilled, it is no better than the sum of its parts.
I think that the sum is generally greater than each individual piece, so the sum would be a good thing. Probably what you mean is "no better than its best member."
I would not say the invention was sat on for 15 years, considering he applied for the patent in 1987, but was awarder it in 1996. That seems to be the government sitting on it, not him.
I think half of the readership got bullied by the big kid in school way too much, and subconciously see copyright infringement as a way to get back at that big kid (now a suit or CEO). The over-the-top lack of caring for the law shocks me. There are some days when I read slashdot and am enlightened, some when I am scared, and some when I am just sickened. Today falls in both categories 2 and 3.
Slashdot Mirror
At this point, the former
I'm in utter disbelief that the FIRST POST is redundant.....
The parent is a little shy on details and there is one more post farther down which is better, but I'll add my opinions.
Assess your needs first. What kind of computer lab? What will the students be doing there? Is connectivity with MS apps/OS a requirement? What type of budget do you have for the changeover? What are your current and forecasted staffings for this lab?
There are many "LTSP" posts, and I think that's great, because I administer 45 machines set up this way at my language lab in a Thai university, but it may or may not be for you. We require some Windows programs that were pruchased before I came on, so we use a Win2000 terminal server and the rdesktop program.
It all works beautifully, but do NOT be confused by some of the posts below, because sound IS NOT supported on terminal server. The word from MS is maybe next generation (really makes you wish it was open source and you could just add it in, no?).
I researched this for about four months, and, in the end, we went with K12LTSP, which is preconfigured for LTSP using auto DHCP on RH 7.2 with all sorts of difficult to set up issues already resolved (including sound). It includes a lot of extra software like openoffice, and you can just pop in a RH7.2 disk to get the development stuff you will probably need. It is an awesome piece of work, and I heartily recommend it.
As I said, start with evaluating your needs before locking yourself into a solution that may cause you more headaches than individual machines.
Dan
Can I open my mouth about the 50 or so ignorant "Why are we trying to be just like Windows?" comments. If you knew what you were talking about, you would have found an article by Creek on the Redmond Linux web site (which I think I read about six months ago) talking about the new UI concept he was trying to use, which just happened to be the same one Windows XP was moving to. He didn't copy their menus.
Take a look at the stinkin' product before you open your biased mouths. The RC1 was good enough that my whole country took the distro and translated it in order to be the "official" Linux distribution of Thailand. (nectec.or.th if you can read Thai) Creek wasn't trying to repackage Redhat or Mandrake and sell it as his own... he did what most of us who don't want to be part of the elite "I use Linux == I'm not a Windows loser" think we as a community should do to make a preloaded computer sell: He chose one desktop, which he felt was the best, and put one app of each kind, which he felt worked the best, made everything work out of the box for the USER!!! He made the interface, not like Windows, but so that the average user could figure out what to do if they've never used Linux before.
So... go ahead and spew your lofty "why are we trying to be like Windows," but, if you do, shut the fuck up about why Linux isn't accepted by foo corp or your brother-in-law. Anyone have a problem with that email me. For the record, I use Mandrake 8.1 and Linux-TLE 4.0 at home, and K12OS on my 45 client diskless server at work.
Hillarious, dude. The double-sided nature of slashdot! I wish I had mod points for you, but since I've been at -1 since, like, day 2 of my account, I guess it's not going to happen. My uplifting words will have to do. Dan
Posting something for one purpose, to piss people off and or "troll" for a response. IE like throwing bait of the back of a boat to get a fish to bite, hence the term.
You know, that's funny, because I always thought that's what it meant, but whenever I've seen the fishing termA quick Google search for him turns up the following companies: Universal Interactive Flipside Havas Interactive Blizzard Entertainment Sierra On-Line Educational Resources He is listed mostly under the provacy policy pages Dan
Life, Liberty, and the pusuit of happines was a phrase taken from Locke (a contemporary philosopher), who originally said "life, liberty, and the pursuit of property." The founding fathers of America were mostly Deists and believed strongly in Locke, but found the phrase too narrow.
I have seen several politicians who I honestly believed wanted to get rid of soft money, but the problem is that labor unions spend just as much money (in the US, and last time I checked) on campaign ads. The Republicans make their money on Soft Money, and the Democrats on labor ads. I moved to Thailand, where two bottles of beer is the going price for a vote. Things seem a lot simpler....
The dissenting states--including California, Massachusetts, and Connecticut--say the availability of a stripped-down browser, without all the extras would help restore competition to the software business. I think they mean stripped down OS, because a stripped down browser serves nothing in this argument.
Your post reminds me of a cult movie from when I was in high school called "Video Drome." And, yeah, Debbie Harry was hot!!!
I would like to applaud you for the decision to play by the rules. I used to get a lot of priveledged information, and people will NEVER just let me get off with "I can't relly talk about it."
I am not pro-proprietary software, but if you click "I Agree," you have given your word. If you do not hold to their EULA, then by your definition, you may not be a thief, but you most certainly are a liar. I believe we should take these attempted contracts at their 100% word, and if we can't in good concience agree to them, we don't buy. We don't click "I Agree." Only then will pressure come to bear on the companies that draft unacceptable EULAs. You have choices and your word. Make the choice and live by your word.
The P200 will not run fast if you do a local install, but I have quite a few at my university that I boot as a terminal, and they destroy the win 98 for speed.:) www.ltsp.org or www.k12os.org
With a system like this, you establish redundancy. I am currently implementing it for about 45 clients at a university. Again: redundancy and backup, backup, backup.
I pine for the days of 4kb RAM and a cassete tape player to load games. Yeah Baby!!!! Bring back the Z80.
After having read to the bottom of the page and seeing no one else mention this, why is the author lumping Star Office (apparently 5.2) in with open source software? I know the source was opened up at a later date, but that was after removing some proprietary bits. As far as I know, Star Office may be free beer but is NOT open source.
I currently teach in Thailand, where cheating is so prevalent that it is virtually unstoppable. There is no ability for 90% of my students to come to an answer by themselves. It is sad, because I have always believed that it was the knowledge, and not the grade, that you should be studying for.
Yeah! I get First "Diff" Post. Oh.... I guess that should be hundredth. Sorry.
You see, when everybody in your group is unskilled, it is no better than the sum of its parts.
I think that the sum is generally greater than each individual piece, so the sum would be a good thing. Probably what you mean is "no better than its best member."I would not say the invention was sat on for 15 years, considering he applied for the patent in 1987, but was awarder it in 1996. That seems to be the government sitting on it, not him.
And that is why it is difficult to find kosher jello
To give a single example of the userfriendliness, your "main menu" in KDE or Gnome require you to move your mouse over the K or the foot, respectively
Under preferences, you can assign a click over the desktop to bring up the main menu, just so you know. I agree with the memory problems, thoughI think half of the readership got bullied by the big kid in school way too much, and subconciously see copyright infringement as a way to get back at that big kid (now a suit or CEO). The over-the-top lack of caring for the law shocks me. There are some days when I read slashdot and am enlightened, some when I am scared, and some when I am just sickened. Today falls in both categories 2 and 3.
I mean, M$ software could be made to be harder to pirate. Like, maybe, activation codes?