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Noise Control Stealth Tower

Ben writes: "I have just reviewed a really innovative case. Noise dampening kits have been available for some time, but I think this is the first solution where the manufacturer has done something to combat the noise coming out of the BACK of the case! With its whisper box, the Noise Control Stealth Tower finally solves this problem" Update: 06/06 21:02 GMT by T : Ben points to this mirror, too.

213 comments

  1. great! by jeffy124 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    now if they could only make something for a set of rack-mounts.......

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    1. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who the fsck modded that offtopic? rack mountable machines produce a lot of white noise, and this article about cases that prevent and/or hide white noise. clearly, the comment was on-topic.

    2. Re:great! by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      Check his sig: he modded himself down to prove his point

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    3. Re:great! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      rack sound reduction is very very easy. I have a set of six racks that are nice and quiet, the air conditioning coming from the ceiling for us humans is louder.

      First, you MUST have racks with doors on front and back, second you must have a plenum on the bottom of the rack and the AC drop in the top (or my raised computer room floor with a Libert unit in the other room feeding the floor with cold air, vent out the top back to the AC unit) We placed car audio damping material (Dynamat) on the solid doors and sides, and ther front smoked plexi door is left normal.

      with the doors closed (Oh add felt around the doors for a sound seal) you can barely hear the 14 servers screaming along (anyone notice hoe ML530 fans sould like jet's taking off?)

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    4. Re:great! by jeffy124 · · Score: 1

      solid doors would be part of the problem. I work in a research lab that has two cabinets in the corner (not in their own rooms, which is what they really need), and unfortunately I sit closest to them. One has only our main server (a simple tower) sitting on a shelf above it's external RAID array, a UPS, and the tape backup system. The other cabinet has about 20 rack machines, a network switch, slide-away console+KVM switch, two UPS's, and a power supply. Both also have the typical power strips at appropriate points and a huge mess of wiring. The doors to the cabinets themselves are screen-like, i guess to allow air flow.

      We've mostly gotten somewhat used to the noise, but it would be nice to find something to shield the noise. The only real problem we've had otherwise is the heat it generates on hot days outside when the AC hasnt been turned on.

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    5. Re:great! by The+Panther! · · Score: 2

      Agreed. I did such a good job of noise proofing my rack cabinet that I wound up moving all my machines into it, to shut them up. Here's a step-by-step with photos.

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    6. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well in the server room the AC is running 24/7
      if it's 3 degrees out in the winter, the AC is still on. but then I demanded that we have our own AC unit

  2. SHHHHHH!!!!! by Limburgher · · Score: 3, Funny

    Be bewwwwwy, bewwwwy, qwwwyyyet. I'm hacking wabbit.com. . .

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  3. I like the noise by dalassa · · Score: 1

    I've gotten so used to the noise of my fans running that I can't sleep without them. Its amazing how well a dual proc G4 acts as a white noise machine.

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    1. Re:I like the noise by Pxtl · · Score: 2

      Heheh, its funny - I've been working in a high-tech firm for only a few weeks, and yet I already misunderstood the purpose of this article: I thought they ment eltronic noise - like magnetics static buildup or something.

      Yeah, I have an Athlon XP - I can't talk on the phone in the same room as that computer.

      My old Duron has an extra internal case fan and its quieter. Oh, well. Maybe an old Mac Cube (no fans - all convection cooling) would be best.

    2. Re:I like the noise by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      You need to get one of these cool Zalman "flower" heatsinks, or track down one of their other models of quiet heatsinks if your CPU is faster than 1.4GHz

      My CPU temp (Athlon XP 1600+ 1.4GHz no oc) is around 50c using the "copper flower" gizmo in Silent mode, so there's probably a little room for a faster CPU to still be cooled adequately and silently. My only other fan is the one in the power supply which of course now sounds incredibly loud since the CPU cooler is silent.

    3. Re:I like the noise by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "You need to get one of these cool Zalman "flower" heatsinks, or track down one of their other models of quiet heatsinks if your CPU is faster than 1.4GHz"

      I have long drooled over these Zalman Noise Control cpu coolers and if I could get them in Canada I would likely buy one. (Buying from the USA and having it shipped to Canada is prohibitively expensive for individuals due to the duty and taxes added on plus the customs inspection fees and currency conversion.)

    4. Re:I like the noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then don't buy this stuff. And how is this drivel relevant to the article?

  4. Woohoo! by Ibby · · Score: 0

    Now maybe I can sleep at night!

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  5. The even more ultimate solution. by gylle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have moved my very noisy server into a kitchen closet that previously held a small refrigerator. So it has a power outlet and is well ventilated. No more noise in the bedroom (at least from the server ;-). And buying wireless LAN equipment to connect the server to my laptop costs less than the quiet case in the article.

    1. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      And buying wireless LAN equipment to connect the server to my laptop costs less than the quiet case in the article.

      Yeah but then you have to use your laptop screen to view everything. Maybe you have a killer laptop, but I never could deal with a laptop screen for more than a short period of time.

    2. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by jbf · · Score: 2

      I hook up a 19" CRT to my laptop screen, and can view 2 different screens: one on my CRT and one on the laptop screen below it. It's quite nice, actually... 1024x1536 resolution, sub-pixel antialiased fonts when I want them...

    3. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by mikeee · · Score: 2

      Just put it in that refridgerator!

      Hmmm... you know, I was joking... but some smallish fridges are realatively quiet... mount a motherboard in there... hmmmmm.

    4. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by rot26 · · Score: 2

      Just be careful... don't confuse "heat" with "temperature".

      A 'fridge, especially a small one, may not be able to move enough BTU's to keep a motherboard cool.

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    5. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by killmenow · · Score: 1

      Why go to all this trouble? If I don't want to hear the noise from my computer I just to turn the TV up...

    6. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by tps12 · · Score: 1

      I have moved my very noisy server into a kitchen closet that previously held a small refrigerator.

      I made the same decision, and was hospitalized for food poisoning within a week.

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    7. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's too funny!

    8. Re:The even more ultimate solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And fun with condensation (tm)

  6. Alternatives by delta407 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The alternative to using said "stealth case" is to run a quieter power supply with a cool-running CPU. Such systems are easy to obtain; you could either use an early 486 or unplug your Athlon. Of course, you don't get much processing power either way, but it sure is quiet. You could even use a mirror in full sun; it processes at the speed of light!

    Incidentally, I have a Gateway 486 DX2 that has had all of the parts replaced except the case and power supply. It's completely silent; the soft hum from my printer's wall wart is louder. (Makes a great firewall, I might add.)

  7. More importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It has stealth in the name, which raises the cool factor by like 10! Your friends will be thinking it escapes radar detection and that it may bomb them at any time.

    You do want your friends to fear you, don't you?

    1. Re:More importantly... by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 2

      Your friends will be thinking it escapes radar detection and that it may bomb them at any time.

      Hmmm, do you suppose that SE after Win 98 really meant Stealth Edition then?

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    2. Re:More importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Doomsday device you say, now the balls in my court, i guess i can part with one and still be feared"
      Futurama

  8. Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation by BobLenon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would think that the fleece would reduce heat transfer. The noise is a big plus, but isn't there some way to get quiter without losing heat transer. In our apartment all the computers run hot. And some reach dangerous levels periodicly. I woyuld also think that the felt or fleece could also blaok airflow if your not careful also hurting heat transfer.

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    1. Re:Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      It could in theory improve heat dissapation, say you made a dimond mesh (diamond is a great thermal conductor compaired to air, or most things!)

      The mesh would collapse the sound waves (turn them into heat probably!), and be able to conduct the heat better than air would.

      Ok it's probably impossible to do this, but copper/steel wool might have the same kind of effect!)

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    2. Re:Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation by stray · · Score: 1

      i think the conducting capacity of diamond vs air is beside the point, since the air is typically flowing outside the case and thus transporting the heat away.

      the mesh won't be flowing i guess.

    3. Re:Doesn't this seriousl reduce heat disapation by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      Think about how hot the air is coming out the back of a modern computer? What, not hot at all? Congrats, you have plenty of fans in there. Now think about a friend's computer that has only a front, rear case fan, and power supply fan. That air is hot compared to the temperature of the case. Cases are often sheet steel, and not designed for heat transfer. I doubt the paint is anything special. Unless the case is un-painted aluminum, I doubt there is significant heat dissipation.

      If you have mini-towers in your pad you probably don't have much room for more fans. If you want to have fun and have two 3.5" slots directly above each other, try this. Get a $15 Antec 5.25 to 3.5" drive bay converter. Put the floppy there. Remove the covers to the 3.5" slots. Buy two (2) fifty milimeter (50mm) quiet running fans, and stick them in the slots. They should fit almost perfectly.

  9. Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Posted anonymously because I have enough karma. First page only; the server is almost dead.

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    Introduction

    We are quite a fan of Noise Control's products so far here at OcPrices, with both their Magic Fleece noise dampening material and Silverado coolers providing great quiet solutions for today's noisy PCs. Their latest product is the "Stealth Tower" case, complete with "whisper box". The Stealth Tower is basically a high-quality tower case pre-lined professionally with magic fleece. In our tests of the magic fleece, whilst the drop in noise was quite significant, the majority of the noise was now coming out of the back of the PC, via the case fans and PSU. Naturally these couldn't be lined with the fleece! With the stealth tower, Noise Control have constructed a "whisper box", a metal box heavily lined with fleece, with some cleverly aligned holes that allow air to circulate, but should stop 90% of the noise from escaping.

    As you can see the case is quite a behemoth! With five external 5¼" bays and four 3½" bays, you won't be running out of space any time soon. Because of the case's heavy fleece lining, and the fact that it is a big case already, the stealth tower is a heavy object. Hauling it onto some scales revealed an empty weight of 12.5kg (27.5lb).

    Thanks to Chillblast for providing me with a World Exclusive review on this case. You can *only* buy this case from them if you are in the UK since they are the only Noise Control UK distributors. The case costs 166.99 inc. VAT - but as you are about to see, you certainly get your money's worth. Lets take a look at some mug shots.

    1. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively, you could have posted a link to The Google cache

  10. Damn that link is being saturated fast ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Page 1:

    NoiseControl Stealth Tower with Whisper box

    Manufacturer:Noise Control
    Cases
    Posted by Ben on 5-June-2002 at 7:02
    Introduction
    We are quite a fan of Noise Control's products so far here at OcPrices, with both their Magic Fleece noise dampening material and Silverado coolers providing great quiet solutions for today's noisy PCs. Their latest product is the "Stealth Tower" case, complete with "whisper box". The Stealth Tower is basically a high-quality tower case pre-lined professionally with magic fleece. In our tests of the magic fleece, whilst the drop in noise was quite significant, the majority of the noise was now coming out of the back of the PC, via the case fans and PSU. Naturally these couldn't be lined with the fleece! With the stealth tower, Noise Control have constructed a "whisper box", a metal box heavily lined with fleece, with some cleverly aligned holes that allow air to circulate, but should stop 90% of the noise from escaping.

    As you can see the case is quite a behemoth! With five external 5¼" bays and four 3½" bays, you won't be running out of space any time soon. Because of the case's heavy fleece lining, and the fact that it is a big case already, the stealth tower is a heavy object. Hauling it onto some scales revealed an empty weight of 12.5kg (27.5lb).

    Thanks to Chillblast for providing me with a World Exclusive review on this case. You can *only* buy this case from them if you are in the UK since they are the only Noise Control UK distributors. The case costs 166.99 inc. VAT - but as you are about to see, you certainly get your money's worth. Lets take a look at some mug shots.

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    Case Exterior
    The stealth tower is an attractive case despite its bulk, with a sliding cover to hide CD-ROM drives and other paraphernalia from sight. I was particularly impressed with the whisper box, which blends seamlessly with the case's design.

    Now that we have taken a look at the exterior, lets have a look at the much more important interior where the Stealth Tower really comes into its own compared to other cases.

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    The Interior
    Inside the Stealth Tower you will find wall-to-wall carpeting the likes of which you have never seen! Most of the panels are double lined with the noise dampening material, so the dampening effect should be much more profound than when I tested the Magic Fleece kit myself.

    The large metal expanse with no fleece attached is where you install the motherboard and other components. Behind this tray is a double lined side panel

    You can see the notch in the second layer has been carefully cut so that the side panel fits on snugly, fitting the case skeleton like a glove.

    You can see that the drive bays, where normally a lot of noise escapes is extremely heavily lined with fleece. I am very impressed with the sheer amount of noise dampening matting used in the case - if you were to DIY a case of this size with the same extent of sound proofing, you would have to factor in at least two fleece packs - which would set you back over £80 alone from Chillblast.

    Here is the inside-back. Plenty of spare PCI slot gaps, and space for an 80mm fan to be mounted. This is where 90% of the noise escapes in a regular fleeced case. Enter the whisper box!

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    Whisper Box
    The whisper box is large and heavy contraption that attaches onto the back of the Stealth Tower by means of extremely strong magnetic strips.

    Once attached to the case, it has no likeliness of coming loose without a good tug, allowing you to drag the case around without it slipping off. If you are planning to carry the case around however, of course it is a good idea to remove the box.

    The whisper box works on the premise that hot air can move by convection, whereas sound travels in straight lines. The box is split into two sections, one for the PSU, and another for the case fan / PCI peripherals. Nearly all of the sound waves are deflected straight into fleece, where as the warm air coming out of the PSU and case fans can drift up to the top of the box and be expelled, and warm air from the case fan is expelled from the bottom due to pressure build up.

    The entire interior of the whisper box is heavily lined with magic fleece noise killer, and thus weighs quite a lot. It's build quality is fabulous, and it looks like part of the case rather than just a third party add-on.

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    Performance
    I will compare the Stealth Tower to my other case, the Lian Li PC-60. I have fitted both with the same 80mm case fan and the same Enermax 430W whisper PSU. Lets compare both decibel readings, taken with the following contraption, and then case temperatures.

    For the CPU I have fitted a 2100XP processor, with an Arkua copper core thermoengine. Its not the loudest of coolers, but certainly couldn't be considered quiet either. It is about on a par with most "regular" 4500rpm fans. The graphics card is the Creative GeForce 4 Ti-4600, which has quite a loud and annoying fan - and definately the noisiest component in my PC. It will be interesting to see how the Stealth Tower copes with it.

    Case CPU temperature (full load) Case temperature

    Lian Li PC-60 48.9 26.4

    Stealth Tower 52.1 29.0

    The Noise Control case results in a 3 degree increase on both the CPU and ambient case temperature. Initially I did the test with no case fans installed in any case, and the difference was a much more profound 6 degrees. The CPU was also a rather worrying 51 degrees with the Lian Li, and a borderline pass of 57 degrees with the noise control case. It just goes to show how stupidly hot these Athlons are getting now - even with a good cooler. Lets see whether the reduction in noise is worth the temperature cost. I also dug out my old fleeced case that I built myself and fitted the same components again. Readings were taken exactly half a foot from the front, then the side and then the back of the case about half way up in all tests.

    Case Side Back Front

    Lian Li PC-60 48.0 Db 56.9 Db 50.8

    DIY Fleece case 43.5 Db 55.4 Db 44.5.1Db

    Stealth Tower 40.1 Db 45.3 Db 40.1Db

    The extent to which the Stealth Tower reduces system noise is truly amazing. There was barely an audible whisper coming from the whole PC, and it certianly showed up my l33t fleecing skills or lack thereof! To be fair to myself, the main difference between my DIY effort and the Stealth Tower is the whisper box on the back, it really does do wonders for noise reduction, with the PSU only audible if you put your ear to the whisper boxes top port. The differences in Db may not look like much, but when you consider it is a logarithmic scale, the differences are really VERY significant. Just for fun I placed a Delta screamer in the Lian Li (not actually connected to anything except the fan header) and then again in the fleece case and listened for the difference. I would say that the difference was maybe 80%. In the Lian Li, the Delta is as-ever, unusable in my opinion. In the Noise Control case it really isn't so bad! Finally! That said, I find it unlikely that anyone investing in the Stealth Tower would then negate its huge potential by putting such an uncivilised cooler in it!

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    Conclusion
    The Noise Control Stealth Tower case is big, beautifully made and sublimely quiet. Sure you get an increase in system temperature compared to an aluminium case, but the differences in volume need to be heard to be believed. Remember this review was conducted using regular equipment, with the likes of Zalman CPU coolers and PSU's, a silent PC - even an Athlon 2100XP PC - is now a possibility. People hankering after tranquillity, and especially those that NEED quiet PCs, for audio visual work or recording etc should not hesitate to buy this case. I am a total sound Nazi, and although I found the original magic fleece DIY kit impressive, the amount of noise coming out of the back of the case was still an annoyance. With the Stealth Tower, Noise Control have finally come up with a viable solution, and for that I humbly thank them!!

    Click for an explanation of our awards.

    Highs
    - Huge potential for expansion
    - Substantial size ideal for watercooling
    - Nice looking
    - Amazingly quiet
    - Revolutionary Whisper box
    - Sublime build quality

    Lows
    - Heavy
    - Not cheap
    - No removable motherboard tray

    Comment on this review in our forums here.

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    n.b. moderators: I have enough karma, maybe I will post anonymously

    1. Re:Damn that link is being saturated fast ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was posted by an AC you moron. No karma whoring there.

  11. Hmm by dknj · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't think I can quiet down my case that much

    dk

    1. Re:Hmm by fisman · · Score: 1

      Have you never tried strapping that to your back sitting on a scateboard?

      I am really dissapointed in you.

    2. Re:Hmm by repoleved · · Score: 1

      cool, but check your root email ASAP cheers.

    3. Re:Hmm by Indras · · Score: 1

      I could. Turn it off ;)

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    4. Re:Hmm by Ogerman · · Score: 2

      That giant fan.. a silly idea.. or IS it??

      Using a single, large, low-rpm fan with quality bearings and well balanced blades would be a very practical way to cool your case while keeping it quiet. Now what we need is for somebody to design a commercial case like this, albeit one that is fully covered with metal for normal shielding / noise reduction purposes.

    5. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so sure the castors are such a good idea...

  12. Noise can be good sometimes. by dlur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've found the noise from the Athlon 1800+ in my bedroom to be quite soothing in the amount of white noise it creates in the background.

    I did a little somewhat unscientific case study on the white noise it generated a few months back. I started shutting the box down at night while I was in bed. It turned out after 1 week of shutting it down to get rid of the noise that I actually had a harder time getting to sleep, and often woke up in the middle of the night. Within a few nights of leaving it on all night and day again I was back to sleeping like a baby.

    With a baby on the way I'm tempted to set up a computer in the baby's room, not only so I have something to do at 4AM in the morning between feeding/changing, but also as an introduction of white noise into the room. I guess I'll see how well this works, maybe it'll be as soothing his mother's voice.

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    1. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by lfourrier · · Score: 2, Informative

      With a baby on the way I'm tempted to set up a computer in the baby's room
      poor child: when (s)he come to a really silent place, garanteed panic.
      on an other side, when (s)he grows up, perhaps that silence will be one of those things of the past...

    2. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White noise, maybe... but the problem I have with the sound the computer makes is not the "white noise" from the fans and such but the damn hard-drive. That high pitched whine is not "white noise" and is extremely annoying. I could never get used to sleeping with hard-drives in the room.

      On another note, back many, many years ago when I ran a 300 BPS BBS I had a fan on top of my 1541 in my bedroom. After several years I shut the board down and found it very difficult to sleep without that fan running.

      On yet another note. After getting divorced I found it very difficult to sleep without someone else in the bed distrubing things (kids, wife, etc.).

      I think you're right, it's good to get used to some amount of noise/movement. I think you sleep better that way.

    3. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Wiseazz · · Score: 1

      We have one of those radios that makes nature sounds in our nursery... there's one that's supposed to be wind that sounds very similar to a pc.

      She doesn't sleep well without it, either.

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    4. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Levine · · Score: 2

      It's rediculous to think that you require some sort of noise to get to sleep, and even moreso to subject a child to that sort of thing. You've conditioned yourself to accepting it there when you try to sleep, and so without it you have a harder time. Fine. Your child hasn't! Given more than a week, I bet you any amount of money that you'll be sleeping just fine.

      Those people who say that they /need/ white noise to get to sleep, and always have, are fooling themselves. How did you get to sleep before you had a computer?

      levine

    5. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Go ahead and ignore the numerous studies indicating that white noise can help you sleep.

      A perfectly quiet room is not conducive to a good night's sleep - you wind up being woken by small noises, such as the house creaking, wind blowing through trees, the HVAC system coming on and turning off, etc. White noise gives a higher base noise level that makes these events less noticeable because they're not such an abrupt change from what's in the room otherwise.

      did you get to sleep before you had a computer?

      Most people leave a fan running in the room - not only does it generate white noise, but it helps air circulation and keeps the temperature more stable.

    6. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by dlur · · Score: 1

      Actually the only way I used to be able to get to sleep before I had some sort of fan noise in my room was to "pound my head" which was an obsessive-compulsive slamming of my head into the pillow. Mom starting running a small fan in my room when I was about 8, and I stopped banging my head into the pillow to drive myself to sleep. Since then I've always had a fan or a computer on in my room.

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    7. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      "Put them down on the floor."

      The infants were unloaded.

      "Now turn them so that they can see the flowers and books."

      Turned, the babies at once fell silent, then began to crawl towards those clusters of sleek colours, those shapes so gay and brilliant on the white pages. As they approached, the sun came out of a momentary eclipse behind a cloud. The roses flamed up as though with a sudden passion from within; a new and profound sigruficance seemed to suffuse the shining pages of the books. From the ranks of the crawling babies came little squeals of excitement, gurgles and twitterings of pleasure.

      The Director rubbed his hands. "Excellent!" he said. "It might almost have been done on purpose."

      The swiftest crawlers were already at their goal. Small hands reached out uncertainly, touched, grasped, unpetaling the transfigured roses, crumpling the illuminated pages of the books. The Director waited until all were happily busy. Then, "Watch carefully," he said. And, lifting his hand, he gave the signal.

      The Head Nurse, who was standing by a switchboard at the other end of the room, pressed down a little lever.

      There was a violent explosion. Shriller and ever shriller, a siren shrieked. Alarm bells maddeningly sounded.

      The children started, screamed; their faces were distorted with terror.

      "And now," the Director shouted (for the noise was deafening), "now we proceed to rub in the lesson with a mild electric shock."

      He waved his hand again, and the Head Nurse pressed a second lever. The screaming of the babies suddenly changed its tone. There was something desperate, almost insane, about the sharp spasmodic yelps to which they now gave utterance. Their little bodies twitched and stiffened; their limbs moved jerkily as if to the tug of unseen wires.

      "We can electrify that whole strip of floor," bawled the Director in explanation. "But that's enough," he signalled to the nurse.

      The explosions ceased, the bells stopped ringing, the shriek of the siren died down from tone to tone into silence. The stiffly twitching bodies relaxed, and what had become the sob and yelp of infant maniacs broadened out once more into a normal howl of ordinary terror.

      "Offer them the flowers and the books again."

      The nurses obeyed; but at the approach of the roses, at the mere sight of those gaily-coloured images of pussy and cock-a-doodle-doo and baa-baa black sheep, the infants shrank away in horror, the volume of their howling suddenly increased.

      "Observe," said the Director triumphantly, "observe."

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    8. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by anderiv · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm mistaken, most people (myself included) use some sort of white noise to drown out other sounds, not purely as a source of sound.

      I have a small fan that I run while my wife and I sleep and it helps tremendously so that we don't hear every car that drives by our place.

      I agree with the original poster that using white noise in the baby's room is a good idea. That way, Mommy and Daddy don't have to be so paranoid about keeping their guests quiet late at night.

    9. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "pound my head" which was an obsessive-compulsive slamming of my head into the pillow.

      So THAT explains it.

    10. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by sir99 · · Score: 1

      "I've found the noise from the Athlon 1800+ in my bedroom to be quite soothing.... It turned out after 1 week of shutting it down...that I actually had a harder time getting to sleep, and often woke up in the middle of the night."

      Are you sure your room wasn't just getting too cold with the computer turned off?

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      Laid out in amber, baby.
    11. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by jonathanjo · · Score: 2

      Those people who say that they /need/ white noise to get to sleep, and always have, are fooling themselves. How did you get to sleep before you had a computer?


      White noise can help muffle the ambient noises that disturb the sleep of many urban dwellers (like sirens, cars, fighting neighbors, amorous neighbors, etc.) Without white noise, theres' silence broken by sudden sounds; with white noise, there's a more steady low level of noise and the sudden sounds are less disturbing.


      That said, I still much prefer sleeping with my tower off than on. But that's just me.

    12. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by timeOday · · Score: 0

      Somebody deserves attribution for that. (Unless you wrote it yourself - yeah, right).

    13. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by jaffray · · Score: 2

      You're right - white noise can help you sleep. Unfortunately, the noise generated by computer fans is not white noise - it's far from uniformly distributed in frequency. Most small fans are very whiny. Good small fans are still slightly whiny.

      On occasion, I've left a box fan running to mask incidental noises and mild tinnitus and help me sleep - but computer fans, in my experience, usually make the problem worse. My current case is equipped with the quietest, least whiny components I could find, and it's still occasionally annoying.

    14. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A perfectly quiet room is not conducive to a good night's sleep - you wind up being woken by small noises

      Um, no, in a perfectly quiet room there are no small noises.

      Anyway, for me personally, noise in the room doesn't help me sleep. Basically, noises and other stimuli (including light) raise my blood pressure and make it hard for me to relax.

      All in all, what this boils down to is personal preference. This discussion is almost as bad as the famous web page that has thousands of comments about which way is the correct way to put the toilet paper on its holder.

    15. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Gumber · · Score: 2

      You think a womb is a really silent place?

    16. Re:Noise can be good sometimes. by Jardine · · Score: 1

      I have a 10000 BTU air conditioner in my window. When that sucker kicks in, it's loud. I adjusted because it's easier to sleep with that noise than it is when the heat makes it tough to breathe.

      Real men(tm) have selective hearing.

  13. Much ado about nothing by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

    People complaining about the noise from computers are the same people that stand in front of microwaves screaming "Faster, Faster!".

    1. Re:Much ado about nothing by Andy_R · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, they are probably musicians, it's the sound recording industry that will probably be the main market for this box...

      ...although I will concede that Frank Zappa did record an entire album of standing in front of a microwave screaming "Faster, Faster!".

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    2. Re:Much ado about nothing by Peeing+Calvin · · Score: 1
      You would not believe how many users I support complain about ordinary fan noise. What can I tell them, other than "computers are noisy. live with it." Of all the nit-picky things that users bitch about, getting rid of one of them is a Good Thing in my book.

      Now, how to explain to them that I have no control over how fast their favorite websites load...

    3. Re:Much ado about nothing by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      Actually, they are probably musicians, it's the sound recording industry that will probably be the main market for this box...

      Huh? Why would the sound recording industry put loud computers in the same room as the microphones?

    4. Re:Much ado about nothing by joib · · Score: 1


      Of all the nit-picky things that users bitch about, getting rid of one of them is a Good Thing in my book.

      So, where do you dispose of your ex-users? ;-)

    5. Re:Much ado about nothing by Leolo · · Score: 1

      Um, not really. I hate the noise my computer makes. I don't even own a microwave. -Philip

    6. Re:Much ado about nothing by Ooblek · · Score: 3, Informative
      No no no....its not that. The machine is likely in the same room as the mixing engineer. This is the guy that ultimately needs to hear the stuff as clear as possible so he can assemble it and mix it properly. I used to have to deal with this all the time. I used to install audio mixing studios for post production, and the engineers were chronic complainers. "I can't sit under the A/C vent, its too cold. The A/C vent is too loud. The computer fan is too loud. The ights are too bright. The lights are too dim. The computer is too far away. I don't like the patch bay up there on the wall, I want it closer. I don't like the patch bay this close, I want it on the wall." Seesh.

      You also have to get special equipment to extend the monitor cable so that it shows up clear if you put the box in another room. Digital mixing and editing is great, but they have to put an insane amount of buttons on the screen in order to fit all the functionality of a console on the screen. Many buttons usually means small buttons. If your screen is fuzzy from signal attenuation due to distance, its not a pleasant thing to have to look at this all day every day. A sound studio is like a major nightmare of UI design, mixing both software and hardware. The engineers also tend to be sort of artsy, so they tend to be more "needy" than say a software engineer would be. (Just give me a dark room, a good chair, and a mouse without deadspots in it and I'm happy.)

    7. Re:Much ado about nothing by GothChip · · Score: 1

      Or people who keep their computers in the bedroom and like to get to sleep at night with the computer left on.

    8. Re:Much ado about nothing by bafu · · Score: 2

      So, where do you dispose of your ex-users? ;-)

      You can't expect him to tell you that... it would be /.-ed, for crissakes!

      There's at least one other admin that has started using the spot I use, but at this rate we have a long way to go before space will be a problem. I guess it would be kind of awkward if we both showed up at the same time, but that's life. He/she is very neat about it and has pretty much adopted the layout I was using, so I can't really complain.

    9. Re:Much ado about nothing by usowireap · · Score: 1

      Trent Reznor in an interview said he mixed most (possibly all) of The Fragile with 10 hard drives whirring behind his head noisily... when he realized this, he had a coniption, kept it anyways... produced the biggest commercial flop of all time.

      Moral: use Reel to Reel.

    10. Re:Much ado about nothing by Ziviyr · · Score: 2

      the engineers were chronic complainers. "I can't sit under the A/C vent, its too cold. The A/C vent is too loud. The computer fan is too loud. The ights are too bright. The lights are too dim.

      What about "the lights are too loud"? I've experienced that before.

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  14. Tall radio tower in Paris for sale!!! by f00zbll · · Score: 1
    If noise really bothers you, then build a server closet! Computers need cooling and air, so short of using fanless cooling systems, noise is unavoidable.

    One possible approach as other have mentioned is noise cancelling. Not noise damping with magic fleece or carpet. More like active noice cancelling technology, like the hellicopter whisper mode in the movies :)

  15. Water cooling is the answer by xtal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been running a reliable water cooled setup (including many moves, dropping upside down, upgrades, etc) for over 6 months now. It works great. I have install details written up for anyone who's interested. The noise went from deafening to a mild hum.

    I'm currently gathering pieces for a passive watercooled setup (no fans) that handles cooling the video, system chip and processor. The power supply fan will be removed and replaced with a low-voltage 120mm top-mounted fan that runs silently with good airflow (for HD cooling as well).

    Rather than mount the radiator inside the case, the radiator will be top mounted with a custom lexan mount. This moves the heat outside the system (closed box). In addition, the inside will be sound deadened with leftover Dynamat Extreme from my car stereo install. This should result in a cool looking, silent machine, with no compromises. It isn't going to be cheap though.

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    ..don't panic
    1. Re:Water cooling is the answer by Lisias · · Score: 0

      Why not Peltier Coolers?

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    2. Re:Water cooling is the answer by xtal · · Score: 2

      Water cooling is so effective you don't need a peltier. My setup currently runs a 1.2tbird @ 1.4 12C over ambient @ 1.85V. Peltier is interesting for overclocking to high levels, but there isn't much point anymore. At stock clock, the 1.2tbird runs at around 6C over ambient.

      Peltier just sucks more juice (meaning more power supply cooling to be safe) and adds the added problem of worrying about condensation. Since a watercooled only setup can never go below ambient, no worries.

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      ..don't panic
    3. Re:Water cooling is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been thinking about this for awhile... and wondering if it might work.

      Wouldn't it be possible to simply submerge an entire computer into deionized water? Water can hold a lot of heat... and deionized water wouldn't conduct electricity...

      Not sure... haven't tried it yet, and I'm certainly not willing to test it on my system.

    4. Re:Water cooling is the answer by Levine · · Score: 2

      If your computer is so loud that even a freaking /water/ /pump/ is quieter, the fault is entirely yours to begin with.

      No one, and I mean no one, needs a 10k RPM Delta fan in their box. No processor gets hot enough to need it, and if ever one does you've got a whole other set of problems to deal with.

      levine

    5. Re:Water cooling is the answer by xtal · · Score: 2

      It'll work for 15 minutes. Then the water will start to pick up ions off whatever exposed metal is there, and then you're finished :).

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    6. Re:Water cooling is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use mineral oil, it's much better at exchanging heat and is non-conductive.

  16. how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Remove noisy cpu and case fans.

    2. Get Swiftech MCX462 heatsink (CAD$85) plus Vantec Stealth fan 80 mm (CAD$20, 21 dBA) to cool it. Use Artic Silver 3 thermal compound (CAD$13/tube).

    3. Replace case fans and possibly power supply fan with Vantec Stealth fans.

    4. Avoid slot loading DVD drives (i.e. like car cd players, no tray) because noise gets out of the slot.

    5. Make sure your box is sitting on carpet and not wood/concrete.

    6. If worried about airflow, remove those bulky IDE and floppy cables and get rounded cables. (About CAD$15-20 each.)

    Caveats: Kinda expensive, probably less expensive than this case. Overclocking is a no-no.

    1. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by blakestah · · Score: 2

      What about the hard drives ?

      Fans are one source of noise, but hard drives are another, and it can be significant. Once you get rid
      of those noisy fans, you are sure to notice the drive. There are quiet drives from Quantum, and hard drive case enclosures.

      But, an all in one package case seems like a reasonable idea.

    2. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "Fans are one source of noise, but hard drives are another, and it can be significant. Once you get rid of those noisy fans, you are sure to notice the drive. There are quiet drives from Quantum, and hard drive case enclosures."

      Very true. I think it all boils down to personal preference. Some people feel happy with certain levels of noise while others would want it to be quieter.

      In my experience, hard drives have never bothered me. Only when I upgraded to an athlon xp did the CPU fan start to drive me nuts so I started investigating alternate low-noise cooling options. I am willing to trade the higher noise of a 7200 rpm drive for increased performance, but with it comes to CPUs the cost is IMHO too high unless you get specialised cooling gear.

    3. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Note that Quantum no longer manufacturers HD's.

      There's a bunch of quieting gear on Quiet PC, including HD case enclosures. I'd really like to know how well their fan-less CPU and GPU coolers work.

      You're very right about HD's though -- my older PC had 3 7200 rpm SCSI drives in it. I finally cannabalized it, removing the SCSI drives and replacing them with a single IDE drive (with twice the capacity). It's much quieter and much faster now (yes, they were old SCSI drives).

      If you have a Maxtor drive you can download a utility that will put the drive into "quiet" mode. It reduces performance somewhat by slowing down and re-optimizing seeks to reduce head movement. Did this for the 80 GB drive I put in my TiVo.

      Seagate drives are currently considered the "quietest" though, so take that into consideration if buying a new drive. I believe they're even quieter than the Maxtor liquid bearing drives.

    4. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by pthisis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seagate drives are currently considered the "quietest" though, so take that into consideration if buying a new drive. I believe they're even quieter than the Maxtor liquid bearing drives.

      I tried Seagate, Maxtor, and IBM drives when putting together my quiet PC. The Seagates are the quietest, but they're not really quiet (even in a Molex SilentDrive enclosure, which helps significantly). I've wound up putting a lot of effort into building a ramdisk root partition and doing heavy readahead into RAM so that the hard drive is almost always spun down.

      Really, the Seagate's seeks are extremely quiet but the standard hard drive spin noise isn't that much more quiet than the others.

      Sumner

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    5. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by rocket97 · · Score: 1

      Note that Quantum no longer manufacturers HD's


      This is not true... they still do manufacture drives but it is with the Maxtor name plate on them. This is one reason why I will never purchase another Maxtor drive again. I have had nothing but bad luck with Quantum drives, but that is just my opinion... to each their own.

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    6. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "This is not true... they still do manufacture drives but it is with the Maxtor name plate on them. This is one reason why I will never purchase another Maxtor drive again. I have had nothing but bad luck with Quantum drives, but that is just my opinion... to each their own."

      SOME of the drives Maxtor sells are from Quantum. The drives in my machine are Maxtor (non-Quantum) drives made by Maxtor.

      My experience is that for every brand of hard drive, you can find plenty of people with horror stories who will never buy that brand again. (I suspect it is this way with many products.) For example I have only had good experiences with Maxtor, Quantum, Fujitsu, IBM (no, I did not buy a deathstar drive) and Segate. But for each one I bet ten users here could reply about how they had half a dozen of each of these fail and how the replacements all broke down within 6 months.

    7. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by tempest303 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure which Seagates *you're* using, but the spin noise on my Barracuda IV 80gig is almost unnoticable. The seeks are audible, but they're really not too bad. Maybe you got one out of a "bad" batch?

    8. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Osty · · Score: 1

      6. If worried about airflow, remove those bulky IDE and floppy cables and get rounded cables. (About CAD$15-20 each.)

      It has been shown time and time again (check out any reputable overclocker/gamer hardware review site) that rounded cables have a negligible affect on airflow (they obviously have some affect, but it's so small that it doesn't matter). No, rounded cables are most often used for looks. Who wants to go to the trouble of cutting a window in their case just to show off a big messy jumble of ribbon cables?


      Anyway, if you have a steady hand, you can round your own cables for free (or very cheaply, if you want to get shrinkwrap for the cable, rather than just use twist ties). Old-style 40-pin IDE cables are easy. 80-pin IDE cables are harder (smaller wires). SCSI, depending on the type of cable, ranges from fairly easy to nearly impossible.

    9. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "It has been shown time and time again (check out any reputable overclocker/gamer hardware review site) that rounded cables have a negligible affect on airflow (they obviously have some affect, but it's so small that it doesn't matter). No, rounded cables are most often used for looks. Who wants to go to the trouble of cutting a window in their case just to show off a big messy jumble of ribbon cables?"

      Interesting ... I will have to check up on this. I use rounded cables because with the internal configuration of my case and the way I want the devices to fit into the bays, it is literally impossible for the ribbon cables to work because they cannot be wired through each other and there's not enough length/space to wire around them. The ribbon cables slink right in there easily.

    10. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by questionlp · · Score: 1
      Note that Quantum no longer manufacturers HD's.
      Or more preciously, they sold the hard drive division to Maxtor and focused on tape and NAS (through Snap Server) technologies. You can still by Fireballs and the Atlas models, except they have been rebranded as Maxtor.
    11. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by pthisis · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure which Seagates *you're* using, but the spin noise on my Barracuda IV 80gig is almost unnoticable. The seeks are audible, but they're really not too bad. Maybe you got one out of a "bad" batch?

      I'm also using a Barracuda IV 80 gig. The rest of the machine is virtually silent, using a Siemens mobo that keeps the cooling fans off unless the heat rises (Golden Orb heat sinks keep the CPU fan off pretty much all the time, a custom low-heat convected power supply likewise keeps the power supply fan off) and it has a fanless video card. The room has no other noise sources in it and is fairly well insulated acoustically. While the Barracuda is quieter than the IBM drive by a long shot, it's not that much quieter than the Maxtor except for seeks where the Seagate wins out handily.

      It's all relative, in a typical home environment the Barracuda IV would be great. In my environment I throw it in a molex SilentDrive enclosure and have a Stealth Armsystems acoustically shielded case for the computer, and I still try to keep it spun down as much as possible--it's far and away the loudest piece of the system. The SilentDrive enclosure kills almost all seek noise but isn't as effective at cutting down the spin noise (it does help some). You really need to keep the room cool if you're going to put an 80GB drive in a SilentDrive, but I do that anyway to keep the other fans off.

      Sumner

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    12. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by neafevoc · · Score: 1

      5. Make sure your box is sitting on carpet and not wood/concrete.

      One thing about putting my box on the carpet instead of elevated above is dust.

      Anyone else have this problem? We just replaced our carpet not too long ago (as in within 5 years not so long ago), and we still kick up a lot of dust off the carpet.

      (We used the sun's rays or a high powered flashlight and walked around and did see a lot of dust coming off of the carpet.)

      I have to clean out my vents in my case at least once a month to keep air flow efficient :(

    13. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by danonb · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how you setup a ramdisk root partition?
      What operating system etc...
      How much memory is required

    14. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Osty · · Score: 1

      Interesting ... I will have to check up on this. I use rounded cables because with the internal configuration of my case and the way I want the devices to fit into the bays, it is literally impossible for the ribbon cables to work because they cannot be wired through each other and there's not enough length/space to wire around them. The ribbon cables slink right in there easily.

      Right, that's another reason for rounding the cables -- ease of wiring. It's a pain in the rearend to get ribbon cables to route correctly in a cramped case. I guess if your case is small and lots of internal room is taken up by the ribbon cables, then it would have an effect on airflow, but otherwise not.


      Anyway, the rounded cable issue is very much like the old shim issue. Shims were very useful for properly mounting a heatsink without trashing your Athlon, but a lot of people were under the misconception that they helped with thermal transfer (larger contact surface area, etc). That was certainly not the case (a proper shim would get nowhere near the CPU core, and without touching the CPU core, there's no way it could help transfer heat). However, just because a shim was no use as a cooling item didn't mean that the shim itself was useless. Just as with rounded cables, while they may not affect airflow and cooling, they still make your case look better and make it much easier to route cables where you want them. Good things to have, just for different reasons than most people believe.


      (Another controversy with rounded cables was signal degradation, since you're rearranging the ordering of the wires. It was thought that there could be signal degradation or even signal loss, but no test ever confirmed that. To be safe, however, most machine-rounded cables use twisted pairs to cancel any signal interference. It's difficult to do this on your own without cutting off the connector, twisting the wires, and reattaching, but it really doesn't make much of a difference.)

    15. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by juventasone · · Score: 1
      I guess the people who modded this up thought that a fan with the word "Stealth" in it, must be quiet.

      2. The MCX462 doesn't mount on a P4. An Alpha 8045 costs less, and performs better. Instead of a Vantec Stealth fan, a low rpm sleeve-bearing fan (Panaflo, Papst, etc) running at a reduced voltage of 5V or 7V (by simply rearranging its power wires) will be considerbly more quiet, and typically provide more than adequate airflow. Panaflo's can commonly be picked up for $3-5.

      3. You shouldn't need a case fan. Replace your PSU fan with a voltage-modded sleeve bearing fan.

      4. I assume you mean when a disc is actually spinning in it? The Pioneer slot load drives are quieter than a lot of other tray load drives.

      6. Rounded cables providing better airflow is a bunch of BS. What they will do is cause drive instability. They're designed flat for a reason.

      Motherboard chipset fans should be avoided, and often can be safely removed. Video card chipset fans should also be avoided (GeForce4 MX440s are available fanless), but for performance cards, are sometimes inevitable.

      Typically, the loudest thing left in your computer will be your hard drive. Seagate Barracuda IVs seem to be the best choice here. Whichever drive you choose, suspend it in a 5 1/4" bay by tightly weaving something elastic across the bay and around the drive. Sticking a hunk of foam in front of the drive helps a little too.

      Alpha 8045 ($50 CAD), Panaflo FBA08A12L (2*$5 CAD), voltage mod ($0), elastic and foam ($1?).

      I owe most of this knowledge to the shared experiences on the Silent-PC group.

    16. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      " I guess the people who modded this up thought that a fan with the word "Stealth" in it, must be quiet."

      It is. I have one and it is VERY quiet. "2. The MCX462 doesn't mount on a P4. An Alpha 8045 costs less, and performs better [anandtech.com]. Instead of a Vantec Stealth fan, a low rpm sleeve-bearing fan (Panaflo, Papst, etc) running at a reduced voltage of 5V or 7V (by simply rearranging its power wires) will be considerbly more quiet, and typically provide more than adequate airflow. Panaflo's can commonly be picked up for $3-5. "

      In that case you can get an MCX423 or 478. They are the same heatsink with different mounting apparatus for P4 socket 423 and 478. I do know the Alpha costs less and it has the nice 'hole mounting' feature. If it performs better as well then I stand corrected. I was not aware of that.

      "4. I assume you mean when a disc is actually spinning in it? The Pioneer slot load drives are quieter than a lot of other tray load drives. "

      I have such a drive (16X/106s) right now and I was meaning that the noise from inside the machine (fans) gets out of the slot. The disc spinning makes noticeable noise too. It is definitely noisier than my 40x12x40 Plexwriter.

      "3. You shouldn't need a case fan. Replace your PSU fan with a voltage-modded sleeve bearing fan."

      When in doubt, add a fan :-) The rear case fan on my machine is right near the CPU so this given additional airflow over the heatsink which is always good.

      "6. Rounded cables providing better airflow is a bunch of BS. What they will do is cause drive instability. They're designed flat for a reason."

      I have since been enlightened on that one and I agree with you about rounded cables not having better thermal characteristics. I use rounded cables because the physical configuration of devices I want simply can't be done with flat cables because they obstruct one another.

      "Motherboard chipset fans should be avoided, and often can be safely removed. Video card chipset fans should also be avoided (GeForce4 MX440s are available fanless), but for performance cards, are sometimes inevitable."

      On that one I prefer to use what the manufacturer recommends. If the chipset comes with a fan, then use it. It's there for a reason.

      "Typically, the loudest thing left in your computer will be your hard drive. Seagate Barracuda IVs seem to be the best choice here."

      Hehe not in my machine ... the CPU fan is noisier than everything else combined. Honestly my comfort level for noise allows noisier HDDs than the seagate, although I do agree that those are excellent drives.

    17. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "One thing about putting my box on the carpet instead of elevated above is dust. Anyone else have this problem?"

      As a rule I never put a computer directly on the floor. I always put it on the desk or a little table. For my personal box, I have a custom built platform that lifts it up about 3 inches. This makes a world of difference in keeping dust out.

    18. Re:how to quiet athlon xp or P4 without fancy case by pthisis · · Score: 2

      I'm curious how you setup a ramdisk root partition?
      What operating system etc...
      How much memory is required


      initrd
      Linux 2.4
      Not much, I have 256 MB in the machine but it was doing the same w/ 128 MB. You just need to be careful about what you pick for the root partition so you have enough for your apps.

      Sumner

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  17. I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by cardshark2001 · · Score: 1

    I want an Antec designed case. I've been through many a case in my lifetime, and Antec is by far the best I've ever used. I'm sure this case really does muffle the sound, but how can I be sure the rest of the case is up to my modern (Antec) standards?

    Little things make the biggest difference when it comes to cases, flip out drive bays, drive slide rails, efficient use of available space, easy access to the motherboard side (my Antec has a handle).

    Is there anyone who could compare it to an Antec? Probably wishful thinking

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    1. Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just built myself a new comp with an antec case, and I have to agree this is a really nice case. Easy access to drives, and plenty of room in the case for wires and cableing.

      The only thing that sucked was that my old internal audio cable was 1 inch to short to reach where I wanted it so I had to go spend the $2.00 US on a longer cable.

    2. Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm, you have 6 sentences and manage to work in the name 'Antec' 5 times. This has got to either be spam or another one of those stealth slash-ads.

    3. Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by cardshark2001 · · Score: 1

      I shouldn't dignify this with a response, but I guess you pushed my buttons.

      Why don't you have a look at my user page and see my previous posts before you slander me by calling me an advertiser? You are posting as anonymous, so I have no way of knowing if you are a frequent troll.

      I like Antec so much that I can't ever see myself settling for anything less. I really am interested to hear from anyone who can compare the two. The linked article only talks about the noise reduction and the number of drive bays, and neglects to mention ease of use.

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    4. Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same coward here that you replied to...

      No, I am not a 'frequent troll' or anything of the sort. Even if I were, there is no reason for you to cry about being called out on Slashdot. I sure don't tell anyone 'Hey look! I just blasted some guy on Slashdot!'.

      I honestly think it's great that you love your Antec case so much. For me, if the machine doesn't overheat while serving up my mp3's at the same time as sorting my SO's grocery list, then all is well. Ease of use on a computer case consists of the power button, floppy disk drive(s), cd drive(s), and accessability of the USB slots. But, if you feel the need to be moving the machine every 10 minutes just because, and if you are worried about becomin tone-deaf around the range of your CPU fan, then you have more issues than 'ease of use'.

      In closing, I have two questions for you:

      1. Do these look like words of an AC that give a rats ass about your user page or previous posts?

      and

      2. If you actually read this far through the post, you can count yourself as being one of those that are far to easy to troll.

    5. Re:I want the noise reduction from this, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn man...learn to take a joke....

  18. SNOW by Swanktastic · · Score: 1
    It could in theory improve heat dissapation, say you made a dimond mesh (diamond is a great thermal conductor compaired to air, or most things!)

    As we all know, Snow is a great noise dampener and a perfect way to keep your box cool...

    And slightly cheaper than a diamond mesh.

  19. I need a noise control stealth tower by iramkumar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    in the loo ofcourse ...
    less sound , and you cant find out whose makin that goddam stink ...

  20. noise control homepage by Ubi_NL · · Score: 5, Informative

    Noise Control
    although there is not so much mention of this new tower. Bit odd

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    1. Re:noise control homepage by eMilkshake · · Score: 1

      Or that same page in English (thanks to the gog) here

    2. Re:noise control homepage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because it's auf deutsche?

    3. Re:noise control homepage by Target+Drone · · Score: 1
      Or that same page in English (thanks to the gog) here
      It's pretty funny that google translates it to "sound-swallowing computer housings".
  21. Simpsons episode 3F02 by Binary+Tree · · Score: 2, Funny

    Moe: Oh, boy! The deep fryer's here. Heh heh, I got it used from the navy. You can flash-fry a buffalo in forty seconds.
    Homer: Forty seconds? But I want it now!

    1. Re:Simpsons episode 3F02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beavis and Butthead: "Cook! Cook! Cook!"

    2. Re:Simpsons episode 3F02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instant Gratification takes too long...

  22. Been there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about the Apple Cube? No noise came out of that sucker!

    1. Re:Been there... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, Apple finally got it right on the third try. Too bad there were other issues with the Cube.

      The original Apple ][, ][+, ][e were convection-cooled and silent. I was used to PDP-11's and such and when I saw my first Apple, I said, "Wow, they must have brilliant thermal engineering." Turned out they had NO thermal engineering. If you put expansion cards in it, it would overheat.

      The original 1984 Macintosh was silent, and I loved it. There were no expansion cards, so no expansion card issues. I'm not sure whether the issues related to overheating or not, but there were a LOT of issues relating to the power supply on those early Macs and I'm inclined to think thermal design MAY have been part of the problem.

      It's too bad other issues with the Cube (pricing, mostly) may have discredited it. I bought a standard-style G4 instead of a Cube at the time, figuring that, as with laptops, a design with lots of components crammed into a tiny space might be less dependable and more defect-prone than the spacious G4 tower.

      But I really miss the silent (not just low-noise) operation of the 1984 Mac and Mac Plus. (All the Apple ]['s I ever worked with had aftermarket fans on them...)

    2. Re:Been there... by steveha · · Score: 2

      The original 1984 Macintosh was silent

      No hard drive. I have heard that Steve Jobs was very firm about not making a Mac with a hard drive; he felt it was more important that the Mac be silent than to have the storage of a hard drive.

      there were a LOT of issues relating to the power supply on those early Macs and I'm inclined to think thermal design MAY have been part of the problem.

      I'm sure you are correct. I remember seeing an aftermarket mod for the Mac, which added a cooling fan at the top of the Mac to suck hot air out. The ads claimed that your Mac would be much more reliable with the active cooling.

      steveha

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  23. Bundled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they sell the whisper box only with their case? Why not sell it seperately? From the article it sounds like the majority of noise normally comes out of the fan, so why not just attach their whisper box to a regular case? I would like to see some stats on that, and maybe some examples of DIY. Admittedly, I think a lot of noise from my computer comes from my DVD player, but if i could get a 20$ addon that would cut that in half (or by sqrt(2) ;-)) then i would probably buy it. My only concern is using magnetic strips to attach, but since the computer is heavily shielded i wouldn't be too worried.

  24. How I beat the noise from my PC by cOdEgUru · · Score: 2, Funny

    Got an Athlon XP 2000+ chugging away accompanied by 5 Fans (2 Case Fans, 1 Hard Drive Fan, 1 CPU Fan, 1 AGP Fan) + 2 120GB Hard Drives + Sparkle 400W PSU.

    The only way I realized to get my mind off the noise is when I turn on Winamp with Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits anyone) crooning "Why worry" and "Brothers in Arms". Me and my wife sleep like babies in 5 mins tops.

    1. Re:How I beat the noise from my PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that all it takes? 5 minutes?? You either have kids barging in on your sex life, or you read too much Slashdot.

      Either way, you seem to be way yonder better off than the rest of these geeks.

  25. Pics by rocket97 · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else having trouble seeing the pictures on the website.... I know for sure it is not the connection on my side. Does anyone know of another place to see this article/case?

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  26. Submersible pumps are silent by xtal · · Score: 2

    You can't hear the pump I use in operation. One, it's in a sealed box, and two, it's submersed in water. My case makes noise because I have a 120mm fan on the radiator, but that is much quieter than the fans it replaced. My next design won't make that necessary, and a 120mm fan at low voltage moves a lot of air at extremely low noise levels.

    Relax.

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  27. El Cube by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 2

    but is it quieter than my case?

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    1. Re:El Cube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not, but does your power supply fit inside?

    2. Re:El Cube by leinhos · · Score: 1

      It's funny, My wife has a 400MHz ruby iMac G3, which also is convection cooled (CRT, powersupply, HD, CDROM all inside), and all I can hear is the disk drive spinning. The CD makes a little noise while in use, but that's about it. Put it to sleep and *total* silence.

    3. Re:El Cube by red_dragon · · Score: 1

      It's true that the G4 Cube's power supply is external, but it doesn't have a fan either, so the thing is still very quiet.

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      In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
  28. Athlon XP noise reduction by baywulf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tried 3 types of "quiet" fans and sound absorbtion padding and what worked the best is a Zalman flower cooler. They are about $28 with a speed adjustment control included. With my Athlon XP 1800, I was able to reduce the speed to the minimum with only a 4C hit on temperature from my ultra fast CPU fan I had originally. Now the next source of noise is the fan on my video card!

    1. Re:Athlon XP noise reduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy Athlon *MP*s, they are much quieter - that's why they cost extra. At least that's what they told me...

  29. Submersion?? by StupidKatz · · Score: 1

    You don't want to try it. Deionized water is not the same as 100% pure water. Absolutely pure water does not conduct electricity, true, but then again absolutely pure water is practically impossible to find.

    Unless you feel like investing in the equivalent of a couple kilos of platinum, you'd be better off with a more conventional approach. :)

    1. Re:Submersion?? by saider · · Score: 1

      Use mineral oil. You can get good transformer fluids that will do nicely. You still need to keep it clean, so a closed system is best. It does not have the heat capacity of water, but it still moves heat a hell of a lot better than air.

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  30. Perhaps you've heard of the "magic fleece" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    noise dampener by its other name: abspestos.

  31. UK Quiet PC accessories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.quietpc.com carries some quality gear for making a machine quieter. I have purchased the silent PSU from their range and it's made a huge difference. There's still noise from the CPU fan and the GeForce fan, but they are next on my list :)

  32. Why not use anti-noise generators by gklyber · · Score: 1
    It seems that anti-noise headphones are quite common (especially targetted at airline flights). There are many other widespread uses of anti-noise generators for noise control on highways and airports.

    Why doesn't someone put a simple anti-noise circuit, a microphone and a speaker on the output of the PSU? It would not restrict airflow if cleverly placed and the sound is consistent enough to easily generate the anti-noise.

    A sample link: http://www.headwize.com/tech/anr_tech.htm

  33. Noisey Machines by PMadavi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Frankly, I take a certain amount of pride that the 3 fans in my box make. I don't know that I would want a noise dampener. I mean, it would be like building a Harley and then putting some kind of ridiculous muffler on it.

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    1. Re:Noisey Machines by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      well then just buy 3 delta 120mm and toss them in your case, you don't even have to mount them, they'll blow enough that it won't matter. Few people buy a Harley because of how loud they are. The muffler reduces engine performance, so it makes sense. Using quiet but equally effective fans is a no-brainer.

    2. Re:Noisey Machines by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      some of us try to sleep with our computers on

      The worst part is 99.99% of most cases noise comes from the ungodly powerful powersuply fan, that could probably be made external with a slow and big fan put in its place.

      Powersuplies are not the only way to get heat out of a case, why is the industry so stuck on that idea? Since they are the largest heat generator, here's an idea. Make them *external* like on most laptops, and you reduce the need for cooling inside the case significantly.

      I long ago started setting my powersuplys outside the case with the fan replaced so it was quiet, not fast, and I have never had a problem. Why are no cases made with this in mind?

      While I'm on it, why is the front of the case the 'prefered' air-entry area, wouldn't it make sense to bring air in, over the CPU while it's cool, then out over the drive bays, or even to a side? It just dosen't make sense to use the air to cool progressivly hotter equipment, as the air itself is getting hotter. Back on my old 'desktop' design cases, there was never an entrance fan, only a powersuply cooler. Granted there was significantly fewer watts going into the case, but new 'industry standard' case designs just don't make sense to me.

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  34. Idea.. by Mr2cents · · Score: 0

    Ive had this thought..

    If you take 2 identic fans, they make +/- the same noise. Now can't this be used to dampen the noise (use the second fan to create anti-noise?) It would need some software-controlled feedback, but hey, that's the fun part :).

    What do you people think?

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  35. Re:WARNING: GOATSE.CX LINK!! MOD PARENT DOWN!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this a variation on the "couldn't tell your a**hole from a hole in the ground" theme?

  36. As quiet as a snail ... by fisman · · Score: 1

    Yes and if speed is not of the essence you can just switch it off and relax in the peace and quiet that follows !

  37. Active noise cancellation? by kindbud · · Score: 2

    Seems to me that a PC's fans are a good candidate for active noise cancellation. Basically you hook up a microphone and speaker at the same location as the noise source, and playback a 1/2-cycle-delayed recording of the noise. Timed correctly, the sound waves interfere and cancel each other out.

    I am guessing that if someone researched this carefully, they'd find a handful of frequencies that contribute the most to fan noise, and a small electronic device could be designed to counter just those major harmonics in the fan noise.

    Or I could be talking out my ass, who knows?

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    1. Re:Active noise cancellation? by radish · · Score: 2


      Easy to try out - pick up a pair of noise cancelling headphones (Bose used to make them, I think Sony do too now) and sit near the case. If it works, rip them apart and run the output into a loudspeaker. The problem would probably be balancing the output to have the same frequency content as the source noise.

      A fun project for all the family!

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    2. Re:Active noise cancellation? by rochlin · · Score: 1

      I've tried this. Noise cancelling headphones do work (you can get a pair of Maxell's around the net for $30). Noise cancelling speakers would not work because your head position is crucial. Move the tiniest bit and the phase is off and boom, you double your pleasure. Kind of a neat standing wave effect though wooo wooo. Maybe if you had microphones at the fan outputs and speakers inside the case - so the actual case noise emissions were cancelled (as opposed to cancellation at the ear "receiver")... Hmmm, maybe it will take more research.

  38. White Noise Generators by fisman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These guys seem to claim the noise is good for you! I quote the bit of interest for the guys to busy to read the whole thing.

    A recent advancement in technology that is becoming widely used in psychological counseling and health service settings is the random noise generator. These devices, similar to the size and configuration of a smoke detector and/or an air purification device, emit a wide frequency band described as "white" or "pink noise." Adjusted to a relatively low level, these can be effectively utilized in the spaces in which the client interaction occurs to mask undesirable environmental sounds without negatively impacting the client interactions by being intrusive in nature.

    AFAIK the noise from a fan is pretty close to white.

    Seems that in medicine though there are always conflicting studies so I expect to be presented with the opposite result in a case study.

  39. Forget the PC noise by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2

    I wish I had had a really big one of these back when I was stationed on an aircraft carrier. Some masochist bastard marine architect decided to put the crew living area directly underneath the catapults. The only way I can think to describe it is it's probably a lot like trying to sleep between the rails of the New York subway during rush-hour.

    Twenty years have passed, and now if it's really, really quiet, I can't sleep.

  40. Put it in your refrigerator by loknor · · Score: 1

    You can silence and cool your computer at the same time. :)

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  41. No, we just aren't half-deaf like you by alienmole · · Score: 2

    If you have good hearing, the noise from a powerful machine is very noticeable, and if you work 8+ hours a day with them for years on end, you'll start to see the benefits of quieter machines - unless, as I said, you're half deaf.

    1. Re:No, we just aren't half-deaf like you by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

      you're half deaf

      I don't have death. What do you mean by that?

    2. Re:No, we just aren't half-deaf like you by Fantanicity · · Score: 1

      Nine twenty-nine (Pacific Time.

  42. Can we apply this the users? by dstone · · Score: 2

    this is the first solution where the manufacturer has done something to combat the noise coming out of the BACK of the case

    My systems guy would like to know if something similar could be used to combat noise coming out of the back of certain users?

  43. Actually an older thing.... by gweihir · · Score: 2

    I have an ordinary dampened case from the company that makes them (A Conto) and are quite satisfied.

    The cases have been available for several years and I think the "Magiv Vent" back-dampener is on the market for a year or so now.

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  44. My Quest... by Junta · · Score: 2

    Most of the time the noise out of towers/desktops is acceptable, I expect some noise. I tend to buy quieter products, but not go the extra mile for the near-silent experience.

    However, I plan to build a dedicated Home Theater system, and am looking hard at the Shuttle barebones. In the past I had heard they were loud, but this has been improved in the latest revision, can anyone testify as to how quiet they are?

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  45. Some cubes DID have fans by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    Some of the Cubes shipped with an ATI graphics card that had a fan on it.

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    1. Re:Some cubes DID have fans by red_dragon · · Score: 2

      A fan without ball bearings in it, too, so if the bushing breaks, you're left with a very annoyingly noisy machine. It'd otherwise still be very quiet, since the fan usually isn't so loud.

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  46. What about active noise control? by mr.hawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seeing this post I just remembered that research is going into subjects such as noise cancellation and the like. Doing a bit of googling I quickly hit upon this faq on Active Noise Control.

    Seems to me that this technology would be ideally suited to solve the problem of noisy computers.

    I'd love to see Creative, for example, releasing some new hardware/drivers to help out in this area!

    In the meantime, maybe I'll get myself a pair of these.

  47. Antec? Try Chieftec.. save some cash by SimReg · · Score: 1

    Chieftec's cases are the same as Antecs... but I will agree that their cases are the best (for the money?).

  48. Redesign the Case First, then the Cooling System by White+Roses · · Score: 2
    Everyone is so stuck on the idea of a tower. Why not make a case that is slightly more conducive to heat dissipation?

    Apple has done quite well with their iMac designs. And the Cube was an interesting, if not entirely successful, attempt at a tower-ish design that didn't require a lot of heavy cooling equipment.

    Sure, they're not that upgradeable, and you can't cram 3 video cards, 6 SCSI controllers, 4 sound cards, and a dozen hard drives, but if you need to do that, sound isn't your first consideration anyway. And if it is, try a disk array and remote terminals; put the noisy bits somewhere else.

    Air flow is the key. Convection can be a great help, but towers aren't designed to allow that to work efficiently. Volkswagen made an entire car without a radiator or any kind of water cooling system, primarily due to re-examining the design of the car itself. Surely there are better case designs to be had.

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  49. Magic Fleece??? by kyletinsley · · Score: 1

    "Magic Fleece"? Sounds like something a dog and an old bitch would be raving about on an Old Navy commercial...

    "New MAGIC FLEECE performance case, only from Old Navy! It's FLEESETASTIC!"

  50. Quantum Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed five quantum SCSI drives I got on the cheap from an auction site, after quantum went out of business.

    Four drives failed, I sold the fifth at auction. It failed during shipping, and I refunded the guy.

    So, 5 for 5? Quantum is a nightmare.

    I think what Maxtor got was the production capacity of the Quantum plants, and did away with their crap designs entirely. At least that's what I hope happened.

    As for silencing, I find that 5400rpm drives are fairly quiet. With adequate RAM (2-4GB), accessing the hard drive becomes a rarity.

    Torsten

    1. Re:Quantum Crap by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "I installed five quantum SCSI drives I got on the cheap from an auction site, after quantum went out of business. Four drives failed, I sold the fifth at auction. It failed during shipping, and I refunded the guy."

      When it comes to SCSI, the last word is Seagate.

  51. Re: Somebody deserves attribution for that. by kyletinsley · · Score: 1

    Somebody deserves attribution for that.

    Try John Watson or Pavlov...

    All this guy did was re-write the story of Watson's experiment, adding a little bit of fruity comments from the "Director".

  52. Not exactly "special equipment" by uptownguy · · Score: 1

    You also have to get special equipment to extend the monitor cable so that it shows up clear if you put the box in another room.

    ...uhhhh, maybe a little EXPENSIVE, but hardly special equipment. I got sick of my new boxes getting louder and louder and finally chose a simple solution. Extension cables for the monitor, audio, keyboard, mouse and USB. My box now sits 30-40ft away in another room, and my workstation is peaceful once more.

    No flicker, no ghosting. Picked them up from Belkin .

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  53. Re:Redesign the Case First, then the Cooling Syste by DocStoner · · Score: 1

    I agree. There should be different approaches to the case designs. For example, why laptops can be so quiet when their desktop equivalents are loud.

    The old Volkswagens still amaze me. They used an oil cooler. It worked well despite it's size. Back in the day, they used to replace the small cooler with slightly larger coils from air-conditioners; a great improvement. Also, IIRC, the heaters in the car worked off of the heat dissapated from the exhaust pipes. Once the engine warmed up, you could bring the temp inside the car up a summer meltdown in minutes.

  54. Just want it to be quiet by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    I'm not a hard core gamer... I mostly use my computer for work. I recently upgraded to a 1900+ AMD. I picked up a pretty heafty fan for it (the guy at Fry's said it was the best. I've learned never to trust the guy at Fry's, so I did some research and discovered it was the best they carried.

    Compared to my old Duron 600, this thing is a beast. The noise is terrible, and for the first time I find myself shutting my computer off at night just so I can sleep.

    Can't someone just design a case that allows air to go through, cool the CPU, and still be quiet? We have all these enginers giving us bigger and bitter processers, yet nobody is giving any real thought to noise control.

    Oh gee. A case designer makes it quiet out the back. No! I want a total quiet noise solution. I'm a consumer! I'll pay for it!

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  55. Re: Somebody deserves attribution for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or perhaps Aldous Huxley, author of "Brave New World" from which this quote was blatantly plagiarized?

  56. Re:Redesign the Case First, then the Cooling Syste by Zapdos · · Score: 2

    It would be so easy. All we have to do is to get our Computer cases to move at about 40 mile per hour then we can remove the fans.

  57. Re:sucking daddy's cock instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAHA, you suck. NOOB
    - Satchel

  58. Other uses by lsd4all · · Score: 1

    1) Finally I can shut up that horrible teenage punk band next door.

    2) Lowered mini-trucks with sub-sonic speakers that drive by my house at 2am are now a thing of the past.

    3) Bob Saget Stealth - speaks for itself. Can also be used as Mother_in_law stealth.

    4) Every Verizon TV commerical ever made stealth.

  59. A better CPU fan - Silverado by Leomania · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get the Silverado CPU cooler; it has the most amazingly low sound level, bar none. There are a couple of articles on coolers at Tom's Hardware that you can check out; this link is the table of sound levels from one of the articles.

    I believe you can find this cooler at OCPrices (the site in the original link for this article) once they're no longer slashdotted.

    Good luck!

    - Leo

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  60. Subject Line Troll has no life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you unable to find more interesting ways to waste your time?

  61. I doubt it by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

    Define most people? I would bet you that most people don't leave a fan running in their room.

  62. Dont known about the case... by quantaman · · Score: 2

    But I'm pretty sure the SysAdmin is quietly weeping as he watches his server get /.ed into oblivion.

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  63. Encasing the Case for Noise Control by junge_m · · Score: 1

    Instead of paying attention to every noise source inside a modern computer this series of external cases does the job by encasing the case.
    The page is in german or this link for Google's translation.
    There is even a 19" rack version English verison!

  64. Magnets? by Guido69 · · Score: 1

    "The whisper box is large and heavy contraption that attaches onto the back of the Stealth Tower by means of extremely strong magnetic strips."

    I've gotta believe there's a better way to to secure the whisper box than with magnets, much less extremely strong ones. Velcro? Screws? Hire some homeless guy to stand there and hold it?

    Kinda reminds me of one of our tech support cases. Lady kept having problems with her HD becoming corrupt. Each time the tech came up to look at it, she had her PC cleaned off and ready to be taken for repair. After several re-images and even new drives, the problem persisted and we finally got her a new machine. Tech stopped by her cube a couple days after the new machine was installed only to find that she had covered the box with literally hundreds of small magnetic cat ornaments.

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  65. Water pumps are *not* noisy by Bothari · · Score: 1

    use the right pump and there's no noise from the pump whatsoever. For example, enheim pumps (by fafr the most popular for these kits) are almost inaudible, if you mount them on rubber feet.

    As for the necessity for high-cooling, we're not talking about 386's here, some of these cpu's are dissipating 80 watts..

  66. Quiet Computing "Howto" by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    Here we go.. quick and easy:

    1.) Large, low-rpm fans - cut holes, use adapters if necessary. Nothing smaller than 80mm. That means replacing any chipset / video cooler fans too. Nothing higher than 2500rpm--preferably around 2000. Use manually adj. speed fans if possible so you can achieve proper airflow around hotspots and balance case intake / exhaust.

    2.) Don't overclock excessively. If you need extra cooling as a result, it's not worth it.

    3.) Quiet hard drive(s). High frequency sounds are much more annoying, so if you go with a 7200+ rpm drive, buy a really quiet one like Seagate's Barracuda IV ATA or else sandwich the drive in aluminum and acoustic foam.

    Sure, there are more drastic measures. But these

  67. gawd! by CaptTrips · · Score: 0

    Thanks for /.'ing this site. Could you posters PLEASE contact these smaller site's first and ask them if they are ready for a flood of traffic??

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  68. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is a new mirror guys - its the new design with the new server - should cope much better. Looks like we were unprepared for the great slash dot onslaught :)

    http://66.227.7.83/indexb.php?rev_id=36&page=1

  69. DON'T CLICK!!! by EvanED · · Score: 1

    ...I really didn't need to see that...

    1. Re:DON'T CLICK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well now it's caught up in your brain cells and you're stuck with it.

      Sweet dreams!

  70. The correct term is damping, not dampening... by helzerr · · Score: 1

    What, does the case spray water on the noise?

    People always get these two terms confused... Noise and vibration are damped, not dampened.

  71. Looking for eTailers by CaptTrips · · Score: 0

    I'm having a hard time locating online vendors that sell this. Could someone post some links? Thanks.

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  72. Easy and Cheap way to reduce fan noise by rochlin · · Score: 1

    Something easy and cheap to reduce case fan noise that worked great for me:
    Get or make a small cardboard box - about 2" bigger than your fan e.g. about 5x5x5 for the typical case fan. remove two adjacent sides of the box and line the remaining four sides with foam (ideally dense acoustic foam - but whatever you got).
    Then just cover the case fan with the box. Worked great for me. You can use a shallower box so the foam is closer to the fan - or use egg-crate style foam. The main thing is, the sound hits the foam and is reduced before leaving the vent.
    I've also used PVC sewer pipe elbows from Home depot. Works very well (Better with a foam baffle), but it's kind of hard to attach to the case.
    Good source for acoustic foam Good source for cheap silent CPU and Case fans including supercheap panaflos and Vantec Stealths

    1. Re:Easy and Cheap way to reduce fan noise by junge_m · · Score: 1

      Does anybody understand how he is using the foam? And how the Foam/Filter as well as the Foam/Case attachment is done?

      I would really like to know!

  73. Re:Hmm - Piiiiiiipes! by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    I don't think I can quiet down my case [digitalzophar.net] that much

    Crap! If I hadn't just finished setting up my new system, I'd a offered you some money for that case.

    Paul
    Piping Design Central
    [poopingdesign.com]

  74. Re:Redesign the Case First, then the Cooling Syste by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    Yeah, cause any faster than that and they'd just get plain old unstable! Oh, are we talking about computers or VWs?

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    If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  75. noise, heat, and other plagues of mankind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do computer manufacturers still keep the power supply inside of the cpu case? I mean, isn't that where a sizeable percentage of all the noise, heat, and dust is coming from? Why is it even necessary to fan ventilate the power supply if it isn't in the case in the first place heating up all the other components? Why not just have a 4/5 wire d.c. line going from the cpu to some Commodore-64 style "brick" that sits on the floor? Better yet, why not integrate it into a UPS unit?

    1. Re:noise, heat, and other plagues of mankind... by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Bricks and wallwarts are the plague of mankind.
      UPS integration is an interesting idea.
      Of course there is the small matter of Ohm's
      law; DC voltage loss...

      I suspect there are several reasons the power supply is integrated: historical momentum,
      satisfaction in a heavy box, safety concerns
      and laws(many machines use high-voltage/
      universal power supplies)

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      Were that I say, pancakes?
  76. Then again... by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

    Then again, some people can sleep through falling out of bed. The top bunk.

    I myself tend to sleep through anything, and am generally surprised that there was heavy thunder at night, for example.

  77. pansies by parasite · · Score: 0

    WHAT KIND of fucking pansy assed mother fucker could possibly hear their computer over top of their stereo ? What kind of volume levels do you fucking wusses listen at ? FOR GOD's SAKE! Turn the stereo the fuck up man!! HEAD BANG GODDAMNIT YOU FUKCING PUSSIES. Worship SATAN, listen to CANNIBAL CORPSE, and don't be a fucking looser and sissy bitch - DO NOT turn it off while you are sleeping. Besides it give you fucking awesome ass nightmares dude!!!!