No, but you still see it everywhere. If you're exposed to the "innovative" spelling all day and all around you from a young age, then add in all the other bad influences, you'll probably find it hard to remember just what is the correct way to spell something.
Indeed, I recently moved to the US and was surprised that so much has a, shall we say, innovative spelling, Ez(easy), Lite(light), Thru(through), Kar(car), Kare(care), da(the) etc etc are very common mostly everywhere.
The english language is most definitely a living thing, and with several versions of it it's no surprise to me that kids have a hard time with spelling and grammar. There's english as taught in school, english as a less strict spoken language, english used with heavy slang, the bastardized english you see in ads and on billboards etc etc, just how are kids supposed to learn which is acceptable at a given time?
Yes, but sometimes moderations are so off that it's worth paying attention to them, the -1 offtopic moderations being such a plague, it's used randomly for trolls, flamebaits, funny comments or other things that are on a slight tangent off the topic
When that day comes you look up how to do it, if you spend your time with a bad buggy tool solely to get better understanding of the system/framework, you're wasting a lot more precious time. Start coding, when you get stuck, pick up a book or ask around.
Hello, I would like to write a program in C++, VB and Python to run on win32, MacOS X and *nix platforms, please explain how I can do this under JVM since I know I can (or will be able to) under the CLR.
This is slashdot, you are only allowed to rehash the text that is in the story, do not discuss outside the text, draw conclusions, make jokes or otherwise stray from the immediate specific article, or we (the insane offtopic-moderators union) will have to take action, thank you.
One of my colleagues will be by shortly to moderate both you and me offtopic for daring to use slashdot to comment comments and moderations, I think we all learned something from this.
It's been done before, but, there's no way you can hold on to the other person with hands alone.
Put your arms inside their harness, entangle as much as you can, wait for them to pull, hope your arms don't break. Now, providing the canopy and lines hold, you have a chance to survive, with modern small <120sqft canopies the chance isn't that big, but there's at least a chance.
Microlines would prolly be very painful for a brief moment until they snap.
Although, the technique is, as you said, pointless really, no one will be around. Once your main has failed, you deploy reserve, if that doesn't work, your buddies will most likely be long gone already, and on a normal jump you'll be at <2000ft with <10 seconds until impact...
Not really no, yes the information was there, but I didn't touch it, just as in entering let's say AT&T's network just to show it can be done.
And sorry, but I think geeks are great at making excuses, you don't often hear someone say that they're hooked up to get cable TV for free because the shows suck anyway, or because it's too expensive, they just say that they don't wanna pay for it, when was the last time you heard that as an excuse for warez? Geeks need some reason to justify their piracy or hacking(again, in common bad sense).
I suppose, but what I see in this case is more an attempt to point at a huge hole in these systems and say "Hey, fix it your morons."
I'm concerned about the security in my neighbourhood, more specifially, people not taking security seriously thus attracting criminals to the area.
So, at 3am, I sneak into a neighbours house, bypass any security system, go through it on my tip toes, enter their bedroom, write a note on their nightstand saying that I've successfully entered their house and got all the way to their bedroom without them noticing and they should really do something about their security. Does any sane person think that what I'd done was a good thing?
For some odd reason, geeks tend to think that if something can be excused, it's ok, piracy is ok, because I'd never buy it anyway, piracy is ok, because the records are too expensive, hacking(in the common bad sense) is ok, as long as you don't damage anything, because it raises security awareness, it's ok if you do it to learn, it's ok if...
Please people, if you're gonna do it, at least admit it's illegal and quit the lame excuses, I used to use illegal copies of apps because a, I couldn't afford them, b, I was too lazy to learn a similar freeware app, c, I was too greedy to use a slightly less capable app, not excuses, reasons, doesn't in any way mean that it was ok to use illegal apps, I took a chance I wouldn't get caught, if I had been, I would've paid the price for it aswell. Just as if I had been caught entering my neighbours house, or trying to enter someone elses network.
I believe he asked about opinions regarding a Slashdot style system with articles and discussions/comments, not opinions about Slashcode itself which is just one example of such a system.
As a (primarily) VB developer I thought it was hilarious, good job!
Oh, maybe you didn't know, but VB Script is even better, it's much faster than even VB since all variables are the same type, saving a lot of computing power instead of trying to keep track of all those strings and ints and crap. Go Variant!
Any well designed website has many many hours put into the design, look, and "feel" of it. A competent webdesigner will make sure that the site works in a variety of browsers, that it displays as it should, that navigation is locical, that the contents is presented in a way which makes it readibly accessible to the visitor. Still, there's nothing that prevents me from copying all that HTML/CSS/Script code, changing the contents and uploading it to my own site in just an hour or two saving me hundreds of dollars. I don't see the difference.
If MicroSoft had all its apps source code avaliable, it doesn't mean it's ok to compile it and use it without paying, just as it's not ok to grab the entire look and feel of a site.
No, a web page is not contents alone. HTML/CSS builds the appearance of a site. Both the appearance and the contents are copyright protected, you can't just grab the entire source code of a given site and change the contents without violating copyright.
Which was, indeed, my point. The languages are so different that there's not really any competition between them. You use VB for RAD, you use C when you need power, doesn't mean one is better than the other, they have different purposes and solve different problems.
There is a gap between the win and the *nix platform today, a large part of it needlessly so. The gap is caused by different cultures, the way that the OS and it's supporting tools and services has been built.
Many MS devs therefore have a hard time understanding the Free Software concept, many *Nix devs have a hard time understanding that people want money for their services. Granted I'm stereotyping a little here.
From what I've seen and heard by RMS, he's not the right person to convince MS platform developers that open source is good. He's a bit too...passionate in his views.
How would creating open source software with VS possibly aid competitiors of MS? If anything MS should ask the VS users to create more OS software, the more OS software out there, the easier to learn the tool and the language and do something useful with it.
That is excactly what I meant though, if GNOME Basic becomes more or less compatible with VB, then I (and other VB devs.) can use whichever of them is best suited for a job and not care who built it. Customer wants Linux solution, use GB, customer wants win32, use VB. From my perspective the platform is then irrelevant, my job is to deliver a product.
Of course, I doubt the *NIX world is different in that respect. Customized software development has slightly different gamerules than a more general tool.
No, I didn't mean to imply that RMS is a 14yr old boy who has just managed to install SuSe and is now about to learn C and assembly and Perl and Java and MS Sucks! But, those are the people you most often see advocating open source (read Linux, they haven't managed to understand that there is a difference). However, I don't think anyone can deny that RMS is a zealot when it comes to his campaigns and opinions.
"Do you want this built in a month using VB, or in 6 months using C?"
"I don't have the money to support a development team for 6 months"
But, point was, I don't really care what platform I use, or what language, or what technology, I use the one I feel comfortable with and that allows me to provide a working solution to the person requesting a job done. I don't cling to MS because they're MS, I stick to MS for the moment because that's what I know best. People should stick to Linux (or whatever) because they feel comfortable with it, not because of some zealous religious conviction. If Apache is the best webserver for a job, I'll go with it, it's just a damn webserver, if VB can do the same thing as a C program can, I'll use VB, it's just a damn language. To me these small MS/Linux/Mac fights are utterly pointless, use the tool that you feel comfortable with. A program is just code to make a computer do something useful, it's not a means to itself, no matter how lyrical people are about *their* language.
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No, but you still see it everywhere. If you're exposed to the "innovative" spelling all day and all around you from a young age, then add in all the other bad influences, you'll probably find it hard to remember just what is the correct way to spell something.
Indeed, I recently moved to the US and was surprised that so much has a, shall we say, innovative spelling, Ez(easy), Lite(light), Thru(through), Kar(car), Kare(care), da(the) etc etc are very common mostly everywhere.
The english language is most definitely a living thing, and with several versions of it it's no surprise to me that kids have a hard time with spelling and grammar. There's english as taught in school, english as a less strict spoken language, english used with heavy slang, the bastardized english you see in ads and on billboards etc etc, just how are kids supposed to learn which is acceptable at a given time?
Yes, but sometimes moderations are so off that it's worth paying attention to them, the -1 offtopic moderations being such a plague, it's used randomly for trolls, flamebaits, funny comments or other things that are on a slight tangent off the topic
ehr actually, you can use C++ under it, it's just not very much optimized for it (or much more fun than ye old C++)
When that day comes you look up how to do it, if you spend your time with a bad buggy tool solely to get better understanding of the system/framework, you're wasting a lot more precious time. Start coding, when you get stuck, pick up a book or ask around.
Hello, I would like to write a program in C++, VB and Python to run on win32, MacOS X and *nix platforms, please explain how I can do this under JVM since I know I can (or will be able to) under the CLR.
This is slashdot, you are only allowed to rehash the text that is in the story, do not discuss outside the text, draw conclusions, make jokes or otherwise stray from the immediate specific article, or we (the insane offtopic-moderators union) will have to take action, thank you.
One of my colleagues will be by shortly to moderate both you and me offtopic for daring to use slashdot to comment comments and moderations, I think we all learned something from this.
It's been done before, but, there's no way you can hold on to the other person with hands alone. Put your arms inside their harness, entangle as much as you can, wait for them to pull, hope your arms don't break. Now, providing the canopy and lines hold, you have a chance to survive, with modern small <120sqft canopies the chance isn't that big, but there's at least a chance.
Microlines would prolly be very painful for a brief moment until they snap.
Although, the technique is, as you said, pointless really, no one will be around. Once your main has failed, you deploy reserve, if that doesn't work, your buddies will most likely be long gone already, and on a normal jump you'll be at <2000ft with <10 seconds until impact...
Not really no, yes the information was there, but I didn't touch it, just as in entering let's say AT&T's network just to show it can be done.
And sorry, but I think geeks are great at making excuses, you don't often hear someone say that they're hooked up to get cable TV for free because the shows suck anyway, or because it's too expensive, they just say that they don't wanna pay for it, when was the last time you heard that as an excuse for warez? Geeks need some reason to justify their piracy or hacking(again, in common bad sense).
I'm concerned about the security in my neighbourhood, more specifially, people not taking security seriously thus attracting criminals to the area.
So, at 3am, I sneak into a neighbours house, bypass any security system, go through it on my tip toes, enter their bedroom, write a note on their nightstand saying that I've successfully entered their house and got all the way to their bedroom without them noticing and they should really do something about their security. Does any sane person think that what I'd done was a good thing?
For some odd reason, geeks tend to think that if something can be excused, it's ok, piracy is ok, because I'd never buy it anyway, piracy is ok, because the records are too expensive, hacking(in the common bad sense) is ok, as long as you don't damage anything, because it raises security awareness, it's ok if you do it to learn, it's ok if...
Please people, if you're gonna do it, at least admit it's illegal and quit the lame excuses, I used to use illegal copies of apps because a, I couldn't afford them, b, I was too lazy to learn a similar freeware app, c, I was too greedy to use a slightly less capable app, not excuses, reasons, doesn't in any way mean that it was ok to use illegal apps, I took a chance I wouldn't get caught, if I had been, I would've paid the price for it aswell. Just as if I had been caught entering my neighbours house, or trying to enter someone elses network.
yes yes, but how much pr0n can I download?
I believe he asked about opinions regarding a Slashdot style system with articles and discussions/comments, not opinions about Slashcode itself which is just one example of such a system.
argh, moderators on crack again.
As a (primarily) VB developer I thought it was hilarious, good job!
Oh, maybe you didn't know, but VB Script is even better, it's much faster than even VB since all variables are the same type, saving a lot of computing power instead of trying to keep track of all those strings and ints and crap. Go Variant!
Actually, I'd like to see where you got that claim from that MS SDKs can't be used for open source apps.
What am I basing it on?
Public Sub Bah
msgBox "Bah"
End Sub
bah
See, a very nifty VB Script app, and look, it's all MS technology! It can be open source!
(The above code is now declared to be public domain, yes slashdotters, you may use that extremely cool code!)
You're talking about Open Source, I'm talking about open source. Sharing source code, while not giving away any rights, just as we do with HTML.
As I tried to say here.
Any well designed website has many many hours put into the design, look, and "feel" of it. A competent webdesigner will make sure that the site works in a variety of browsers, that it displays as it should, that navigation is locical, that the contents is presented in a way which makes it readibly accessible to the visitor. Still, there's nothing that prevents me from copying all that HTML/CSS/Script code, changing the contents and uploading it to my own site in just an hour or two saving me hundreds of dollars. I don't see the difference.
If MicroSoft had all its apps source code avaliable, it doesn't mean it's ok to compile it and use it without paying, just as it's not ok to grab the entire look and feel of a site.
No, a web page is not contents alone. HTML/CSS builds the appearance of a site. Both the appearance and the contents are copyright protected, you can't just grab the entire source code of a given site and change the contents without violating copyright.
Which was, indeed, my point. The languages are so different that there's not really any competition between them. You use VB for RAD, you use C when you need power, doesn't mean one is better than the other, they have different purposes and solve different problems.
There is a gap between the win and the *nix platform today, a large part of it needlessly so. The gap is caused by different cultures, the way that the OS and it's supporting tools and services has been built.
Many MS devs therefore have a hard time understanding the Free Software concept, many *Nix devs have a hard time understanding that people want money for their services. Granted I'm stereotyping a little here.
From what I've seen and heard by RMS, he's not the right person to convince MS platform developers that open source is good. He's a bit too...passionate in his views.
How would creating open source software with VS possibly aid competitiors of MS? If anything MS should ask the VS users to create more OS software, the more OS software out there, the easier to learn the tool and the language and do something useful with it.
Very cool, thanks for the link!
That is excactly what I meant though, if GNOME Basic becomes more or less compatible with VB, then I (and other VB devs.) can use whichever of them is best suited for a job and not care who built it. Customer wants Linux solution, use GB, customer wants win32, use VB. From my perspective the platform is then irrelevant, my job is to deliver a product.
No no, being paid to program is fine, you just shouldn't pay for programs. Programs you have to pay for are evil. I think that's how it works anyway.
Of course, I doubt the *NIX world is different in that respect. Customized software development has slightly different gamerules than a more general tool.
No, I didn't mean to imply that RMS is a 14yr old boy who has just managed to install SuSe and is now about to learn C and assembly and Perl and Java and MS Sucks! But, those are the people you most often see advocating open source (read Linux, they haven't managed to understand that there is a difference). However, I don't think anyone can deny that RMS is a zealot when it comes to his campaigns and opinions.
Yes?
"Do you want this built in a month using VB, or in 6 months using C?"
"I don't have the money to support a development team for 6 months"
But, point was, I don't really care what platform I use, or what language, or what technology, I use the one I feel comfortable with and that allows me to provide a working solution to the person requesting a job done. I don't cling to MS because they're MS, I stick to MS for the moment because that's what I know best. People should stick to Linux (or whatever) because they feel comfortable with it, not because of some zealous religious conviction. If Apache is the best webserver for a job, I'll go with it, it's just a damn webserver, if VB can do the same thing as a C program can, I'll use VB, it's just a damn language. To me these small MS/Linux/Mac fights are utterly pointless, use the tool that you feel comfortable with. A program is just code to make a computer do something useful, it's not a means to itself, no matter how lyrical people are about *their* language.