And the reason people keep pushing it as a Sony quote is because when the PS2 was announced you kept getting different people suggesting that it could do that. There's no official quotes because Sony wisely didn't make them, but it isn't a secret that they obviously fed that kind of comparison to the media somehow. There's no way all sorts of places would start making that comparison just out of the blue.
Sony was claiming Toy Story quality graphics with psx2 before it launched. Hence the phrase.
You neglected to quote the beginning of that excerpt:
The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar's Toy Story, and that it integrates the use of music, movie, and game media on one console.
The "Nihon Keizai Shimbun" is not Sony. Find me a Sony quote.
Does this ring a bell? "The PlayStation 2 will be able to render Toy Story quality graphics in real time."
Yeah that rings a bell. But not from history.
The quote you are thinking of referred to the Xbox launch, not the Playstation 2 launch. Billy G himself said it:
Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. "We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar.
Good God, man, that's fuckin' pathetic. Can you get off your whinging tear-jerker Bush-is-Evil performance even once in a while? For Christ's sake, man, it's a bunch of Apple retards, what has it got to do with the Decline and Fall of America (coming any time now)?
Where, in the original post, do you find the words 'Bush' or 'Evil' or 'the Decline of America'?
What's fucking pathetic is that you just somehow inserted them into what you read. They just fell out of your tiny little mind and now here you are, all alone, with your flaming spooge of a post, screaming at an empty brick wall like the crazy 'winger fuckhead that you are.
Do us all a favour and take your meds before you write something so obviously stupid, for thousands of people to read.
Mac users are emotional thinkers, not logical thinkers. The "reasoning" used in their replies speaks for itself. They believe there is something unable to be measured that makes Macs great. It is a belief... no rationale necessary. Just like how Mac users believed that the G5 was faster than an Athlon64, no benchmark stating the obvious can make them believe otherwise.
That's a mighty wide brush you've painted with...
So if I tell you that I am measurably less productive doing my job on a PC - I have a PC and a Mac on my desk - you will tell me that it is all in my head? And then you will call me a 'Mac fanboy'? Riiight. Who's drinking the Kool-Aid now.
But of course using your completely impenetrable logic I cannot possibly present any sort of reasonable argument. I guess I will just decry you as a PC fanboy and move on. If that's ok with you.
Do you have any plans to incorporate some more dynamic world effects, such as weather? Or, moving up the scale, anything like whole cities being taken by opposing factions, towns destroyed, etc?
For example, I have a friend that is pissed he didn't buy an iPod because his DJ locks up on him all the time, he has to carry a paper clip to reset it.
The Dell needs a paper clip to reset it?
My irony meter just snapped off.
And - just to add something (possibly) useful to the discussion... still using a 3-year-old 2nd gen iPod and it works fine. I think the battery is down from 9 hours to about 4-5 but I rarely use it for that long, so it hasn't been a big issue for me. As far as I know all lithium batteries have approximately 3 years of life in them, no matter what the charge patterns are.
The footage in this movie is incredible, no doubt. However, I think one valid concern that has been raised about it is its tendency for anthropomorphization of the penguins. The narration often ascribes various human emotions and motivations to the footage that is shown, and realistically, this probably isn't accurate and probably leaves a lot of audiences with the wrong impression. It's certainly understandable why this was done (if nothing else, penguins especially are prone to anthropomorphization anyway), but when this does come out on DVD, I think it might be nice to be able to just watch the footage and turn off the narration.
The thing I hate about Luc Jacquet is that he intentionally uses lies and outright distortions to prove his liberal point about the homosexual penguins. This film is totally anti-Flighted Bird. And I even agree with his point. But anyone who casually glances at this movie can tell right away that Jacquet has a dogmatic liberal agenda. Jacquet hates Flighted Birds and the film is nothing more than a smear on the Flighted. Ooh, the poor penguins, its so hard where they live! Look at them struggle against the odds! Nonsense. If the film was fair and balanced, it would have footage of the massive environmental destruction these 'birds' have wrought upon their habitat, for instance.
Stupid commie homo birds. They're taking over, I swear to God.
If BFC was actually a documentary, its premise would be absent of intentional subjectivity.
Ridiculous. Find me something that is devoid of subjectivity produced by the hand of man. Subjectivity is an integral part of any filmmaking. What you are thinking of is called reporting and I daresay that is subjective as well. What to point the camera at, for instance.
Just because you don't like a documentary, does not invalidate its status as such. It is irrelevant what you believe this film is. It fulfills the criteria of documentary filmmaking by every serious critical film body. Or let me guess, its a vast (French!) left-wing conspiracy?
What do you think would happen to the world economy if Microsoft only would release longhorn for PPC?
I'm not sure a whole lot would happen, considering how long it takes the user base to migrate upwards in OS revisions. How many are still on 98? 2000? Those operating systems are 5-7 years old now.
Not really disputing the overall point but I hardly think the world would grind to a halt. Hell, we might even have better computer security for a while.
Getting rid of viruses and malware is a problem, but I'm 100% sure it would be just as big a problem for Mac OSX or Red Hat Linux Workstation if those products had the market share that Windows does. It hasn't been a problem for me because I don't click on executable content I don't trust.
I'm 100% sure that it would be a bigger problem. I am also 100% sure it would not be nearly as big a problem. (See Apache marketshare/security argument.)
Grandparent poster said: I have no antivirus software or antispyware software running on my G5 at home. Boots in under a minute. Logs in in 5-10 seconds. Sleeps instantly, wakes instantly.
Then you said: You're comparing a fully shut down laptop to a G5 in suspend mode?
Then I replied: He's comparing the fact that the G5 boots faster and sleeps/wakes faster.
And your answer: I owned a MacMini for a day and I can tell you from off to fully working finder is not "seconds". It takes a minute or so. So this glorious happy fantastic sunshine and lollypops vision that a mac just "boom appears on" is total bullshit.
A Mac G5 - which is what we were comparing - will boot faster than a PC with AV software. 'Glorious happy fantastic sunshine and lollypops vision' is all in your head. At least in this instance. No one is attacking your platform, put the gun down. He just said the AV software most PCs must have to be safe kills the boot time.
In regards to this: As for the rest, well I leave my Linux desktop/server on all the time, no shutoff time;-) And it cost less, and is more open and um...
And, um, adds a huge power bill to your low-cost system. That is hardly an answer. And neatly skirts the issue. I have several Linux distros I play with here at work and boot times are brutal, absolutely brutal - on the order of 10 minutes sometimes. No wonder you leave it on.
Look - call the mac zealots out when they deserve it. For this, the facts are clear and demonstrable. You are the one drinking the Kool Aid right now.
He's comparing the fact that the G5 boots faster and sleeps/wakes faster.
Whatever else you think, it cannot be argued that simply not needing the AV software is a big plus. I have the same situation (both a PC and a Mac on my desk) and I gotta tell you, he's right. Sure you can go and turn off all the services and crap in XP but you must know what you are doing (those service descriptions in the control panel really suck) but how long does that take? It's all moot on the Mac.
BTW, Mac OS X does not really 'suspend' like a PC; its not Hibernate, its Sleep, which is quite different.
Obviously you don't have an HDTV or Surround Sound, as XBox's OBVIOUS edge over other game consoles is Dolby Digital 5.1 and 480p on most titles...That alone is reason for anyone with a semi-decent home theatre to lean toward XBox titles over PS2.
So - are you going with PS3, and its superior 1080p, next time around?
Or are you going to be sensible and see which has the better games first?
Yes, there is a "right click" event. My point was an explaination to the GP poster that the GUI functionality will remain the same, regardless of how many buttons the mouse comes with. His grandmother is safe. She does not need to learn a new trick. The "right click" functionality is totally optional.
What is the difference between a four button mouse that looks and acts like a one button mouse and a one button mouse? - difference? User cues that there are 4 buttons. You put it into your hand and for some reason things start popping up! Amazing user-interface. Why do this? There can only be one reason: Jobs cannot take it like a man, that he was wrong, and so he masks a 4 button mouse as a 1 button mouse.
Holy crap you have a thick head.
If you have ever spent any time around a Mac lab, which I can tell you haven't, you would have noticed that the current mouse is completely button-less. The whole shell just clicks. Do you know how many people notice this fact? Virtually none. They just grab the mouse and start mousing.
They will do the same thing with this mouse. No one looks at it. They just start mousing; the only time an issue arises at all is when it doesn't behave correctly, and from the look of the Ars review the situation is the same.
As for 'Jobs can't take it like a man' - I don't even think the single-button idea was Jobs' - but find me the HCI study that proves multibutton mice are more productive in any way. Go ahead, have a look. I'll give you a hint: there aren't any. They are a convenience, nothing more. And I love 'em as much as the next guy, I never use the single-button Apple mouse, I use an MX1000 and I have no plans on buying this Mighty Mouse.
But you are just repeating the same nonsense over and over.
Fortunately, they've only made the mouse two button. You won't ever have to explain "right click" to anyone because OS X does not intrinsically support a specific right-click functionality the way windows does. Context menus are still "ctrl-(left)click" at their root. Essentially, it's too late to add true right-click functionality, and instead they've added user-definable extra buttons to the mouse.
That's not really true; if the capture for 'right-click' was a simple mapping exercise (for control) then 3rd party mice would not right click/scroll with no drivers installed. This is the case since OS 9.
It also has a gigantic charger/receiver that you'd have to carry around as well, since as far as I know the MX1000 isn't bluetooth.... Don't get me wrong, I love the MX1000, just not for laptop travel use.
The MX1000 is not bluetooth, it is a proprietary logitech RF. Having said that I was a little worried when I got mine since I already have lots of BT and WiFi flying around my little apartment... but no issues at all so far.
About the laptop use - I also think its inappropriate, but not for the battery. I get about 5-7 days of heavy usage out of it before I need to charge it again. And it is not a heavy mouse, like many that have an internal battery.
But it is quite big. I use a wrist-rest mousepad with mind just to get the right angle, and I love it, but its too big to use with a laptop.
Huh. You know, that layout makes a lot of sense. It would take getting used to. I probably won't try it since I have a lot of muscle memory invested in one of these weird things... but I see the logic. Thanks for the reply.
Horsecrap. Basically, your argument is whatever Apple does is exactly right, and more/less is wrong. This is the same crowd that up until TODAY said that more than one button would lead to widespread panic, confusion, and anarchy. Now two buttons plus a programmable surface and a cursor that looks like it was stolen from a Thinkpad is perfection.
Yo do realize that is IS a one-button mouse as it ships, yes? Users can add the other functionality when they discover it on their own. Until then it acts just like the old mouse.
It's an issue for me. In many cases, including both apps I use at work and FPS games I play at home, I need to press two mouse buttons at once. For example, in FPS games I assign mouse1 to fire/attack, mouse2 is move forward, and mouse3 (middle) is move backward....I can't run (forward or back) and shoot at the same time with this...
Well I certainly can't argue that it won't suit your needs, but you must admit that is a very peculiar control scheme. Most people, I think I'm safe in saying, use the keyboard to move in a game and the mouse to aim/fire. I doubt this mouse would pose a problem for that group. As long as the feedback doesn't suck.
Having only a single shell clicking is a bad idea - I mean having a much more clear-cut outline would be more convenient rather than relying on some underlying touch-sensitive detector to figure out where we clicked from.
Actually - my Logitech MX1000 mouse has no discernible area for the right and left mouse buttons, its just a continuous shell that flexes at key points. No one seems to notice this since you don't spend a lot of time looking at your mouse. It's not really an issue.
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No, of course not. There's certainly no such thing as unsubstantiated rumour floating around the internet.
You neglected to quote the beginning of that excerpt:
The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar's Toy Story, and that it integrates the use of music, movie, and game media on one console.
The "Nihon Keizai Shimbun" is not Sony. Find me a Sony quote.
Yeah that rings a bell. But not from history.
The quote you are thinking of referred to the Xbox launch, not the Playstation 2 launch. Billy G himself said it:
Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. "We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar.
The original Wired article.
Somehow people keep repeating this quote as a Sony quote. I don't know why. I don't blame you - its very common.
Where, in the original post, do you find the words 'Bush' or 'Evil' or 'the Decline of America'?
What's fucking pathetic is that you just somehow inserted them into what you read. They just fell out of your tiny little mind and now here you are, all alone, with your flaming spooge of a post, screaming at an empty brick wall like the crazy 'winger fuckhead that you are.
Do us all a favour and take your meds before you write something so obviously stupid, for thousands of people to read.
That's a mighty wide brush you've painted with...
So if I tell you that I am measurably less productive doing my job on a PC - I have a PC and a Mac on my desk - you will tell me that it is all in my head? And then you will call me a 'Mac fanboy'? Riiight. Who's drinking the Kool-Aid now.
But of course using your completely impenetrable logic I cannot possibly present any sort of reasonable argument. I guess I will just decry you as a PC fanboy and move on. If that's ok with you.
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Do you have any plans to incorporate some more dynamic world effects, such as weather? Or, moving up the scale, anything like whole cities being taken by opposing factions, towns destroyed, etc?
The Dell needs a paper clip to reset it?
My irony meter just snapped off. And - just to add something (possibly) useful to the discussion... still using a 3-year-old 2nd gen iPod and it works fine. I think the battery is down from 9 hours to about 4-5 but I rarely use it for that long, so it hasn't been a big issue for me. As far as I know all lithium batteries have approximately 3 years of life in them, no matter what the charge patterns are.
You forgot: flightless. I kid, I kid
The thing I hate about Luc Jacquet is that he intentionally uses lies and outright distortions to prove his liberal point about the homosexual penguins. This film is totally anti-Flighted Bird. And I even agree with his point. But anyone who casually glances at this movie can tell right away that Jacquet has a dogmatic liberal agenda. Jacquet hates Flighted Birds and the film is nothing more than a smear on the Flighted. Ooh, the poor penguins, its so hard where they live! Look at them struggle against the odds! Nonsense. If the film was fair and balanced, it would have footage of the massive environmental destruction these 'birds' have wrought upon their habitat, for instance.
Stupid commie homo birds. They're taking over, I swear to God.
If BFC was actually a documentary, its premise would be absent of intentional subjectivity.
Ridiculous. Find me something that is devoid of subjectivity produced by the hand of man. Subjectivity is an integral part of any filmmaking. What you are thinking of is called reporting and I daresay that is subjective as well. What to point the camera at, for instance.
Who to believe... random slashdotter or Cannes Film Board.
I'll believe #2.
Just because you don't like a documentary, does not invalidate its status as such. It is irrelevant what you believe this film is. It fulfills the criteria of documentary filmmaking by every serious critical film body. Or let me guess, its a vast (French!) left-wing conspiracy?
I'm not sure a whole lot would happen, considering how long it takes the user base to migrate upwards in OS revisions. How many are still on 98? 2000? Those operating systems are 5-7 years old now.
Not really disputing the overall point but I hardly think the world would grind to a halt. Hell, we might even have better computer security for a while.
I'm 100% sure that it would be a bigger problem. I am also 100% sure it would not be nearly as big a problem. (See Apache marketshare/security argument.)
Grandparent poster said:
I have no antivirus software or antispyware software running on my G5 at home. Boots in under a minute. Logs in in 5-10 seconds. Sleeps instantly, wakes instantly.
Then you said:
You're comparing a fully shut down laptop to a G5 in suspend mode?
Then I replied:
He's comparing the fact that the G5 boots faster and sleeps/wakes faster.
And your answer:
I owned a MacMini for a day and I can tell you from off to fully working finder is not "seconds". It takes a minute or so. So this glorious happy fantastic sunshine and lollypops vision that a mac just "boom appears on" is total bullshit.
A Mac G5 - which is what we were comparing - will boot faster than a PC with AV software. 'Glorious happy fantastic sunshine and lollypops vision' is all in your head. At least in this instance. No one is attacking your platform, put the gun down. He just said the AV software most PCs must have to be safe kills the boot time.
In regards to this: ;-) And it cost less, and is more open and um...
As for the rest, well I leave my Linux desktop/server on all the time, no shutoff time
And, um, adds a huge power bill to your low-cost system. That is hardly an answer. And neatly skirts the issue. I have several Linux distros I play with here at work and boot times are brutal, absolutely brutal - on the order of 10 minutes sometimes. No wonder you leave it on.
Look - call the mac zealots out when they deserve it. For this, the facts are clear and demonstrable. You are the one drinking the Kool Aid right now.
Whatever else you think, it cannot be argued that simply not needing the AV software is a big plus. I have the same situation (both a PC and a Mac on my desk) and I gotta tell you, he's right. Sure you can go and turn off all the services and crap in XP but you must know what you are doing (those service descriptions in the control panel really suck) but how long does that take? It's all moot on the Mac.
BTW, Mac OS X does not really 'suspend' like a PC; its not Hibernate, its Sleep, which is quite different.
So - are you going with PS3, and its superior 1080p, next time around?
Or are you going to be sensible and see which has the better games first?
I read out of context - my apologies.
Holy crap you have a thick head.
If you have ever spent any time around a Mac lab, which I can tell you haven't, you would have noticed that the current mouse is completely button-less. The whole shell just clicks. Do you know how many people notice this fact? Virtually none. They just grab the mouse and start mousing.
They will do the same thing with this mouse. No one looks at it. They just start mousing; the only time an issue arises at all is when it doesn't behave correctly, and from the look of the Ars review the situation is the same.
As for 'Jobs can't take it like a man' - I don't even think the single-button idea was Jobs' - but find me the HCI study that proves multibutton mice are more productive in any way. Go ahead, have a look. I'll give you a hint: there aren't any. They are a convenience, nothing more. And I love 'em as much as the next guy, I never use the single-button Apple mouse, I use an MX1000 and I have no plans on buying this Mighty Mouse.
But you are just repeating the same nonsense over and over.
That's not really true; if the capture for 'right-click' was a simple mapping exercise (for control) then 3rd party mice would not right click/scroll with no drivers installed. This is the case since OS 9.
Not that ironic - MS doesn't actually make those peripherals, they are re-badged from other OEMs.
The MX1000 is not bluetooth, it is a proprietary logitech RF. Having said that I was a little worried when I got mine since I already have lots of BT and WiFi flying around my little apartment... but no issues at all so far.
About the laptop use - I also think its inappropriate, but not for the battery. I get about 5-7 days of heavy usage out of it before I need to charge it again. And it is not a heavy mouse, like many that have an internal battery.
But it is quite big. I use a wrist-rest mousepad with mind just to get the right angle, and I love it, but its too big to use with a laptop.
Huh. You know, that layout makes a lot of sense. It would take getting used to. I probably won't try it since I have a lot of muscle memory invested in one of these weird things... but I see the logic. Thanks for the reply.
Yo do realize that is IS a one-button mouse as it ships, yes? Users can add the other functionality when they discover it on their own. Until then it acts just like the old mouse.
So no, not right.
Well I certainly can't argue that it won't suit your needs, but you must admit that is a very peculiar control scheme. Most people, I think I'm safe in saying, use the keyboard to move in a game and the mouse to aim/fire. I doubt this mouse would pose a problem for that group. As long as the feedback doesn't suck.
Actually - my Logitech MX1000 mouse has no discernible area for the right and left mouse buttons, its just a continuous shell that flexes at key points. No one seems to notice this since you don't spend a lot of time looking at your mouse. It's not really an issue.