...which is all great but you have ignored the fundamental central thing, which is that Musk has made an announcement that seems deliberately intended to affected the stock price (why else... why make something more expensive for yourself). If he doesn't go through with it he will have made a false statement, deliberately to affect stock price. That can get you in trouble.
If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera.
Yeah - however the best camera in the world is the one you have with you. If you're not carrying the separate camera then it's no good to anyone, and that's the ultimate problem with them. I love my SLR, but it also weighs a ton in comparison, gives me backache if I carry it around all day so I only do it when I really mean it. My Pixel 2 is always with me and takes great pictures whenever.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I don't think you're wrong in that they're aligning their marketing. It's not surprising. But how that has any effect on the consumer, or how is it somehow 'uncaring', or whatever hysterics you're attaching.
I just don't care... and I don't understand why you do. You know Apple are still doing fine, right?
As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.
So what would you rather, the release on other devices be held back for integration on this device? How does that work with 10s of different manufacturers and 100s of new device releases? Because if you accept why there's a staggered rollout, then if you want to unstagger it you have to delay something else? Or you have to do some other magic? What would that be then?
It's really easy to spout judgements like "it's not good enough" but in the real world you have to pick your compromise. Either put the whole ecosystem on very few, tightly controlled devices and do them simultaneously, or have some staging processes.
It's already proving to be working - the beta releases were on a whole bunch of phones from other manufacturers. It's already had an effect, we'll see how quickly that turns into live production pushes but we're well ahead of where we were in previous releases.
Living in the freedom country is still worth it compared to the UK.,,
VAT 20% - because that is fair on lower incomes:-) Price of gasoline? probably a weeks wages to fill a car up Electricity? 10c/kWh around here. Prices of houses, out of the question for the working class.
Yeah, please enjoy your honest broadband speedz:-)
Medical bills & chance of being bankrupted by sickness or denied treatment - zero. University education - not cheap but a helluvalot more affordable than your 'freedom' prices. Actual consumer protection laws so you can expect your purchases to function.
But I do agree on the VAT, it's a horribly regressive tax.
They can predict reasonably accurately how fast the line will go to your house because there's a whole bunch of historical data to pull from https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/...
Don't ask me how this works for averages though... an ISP that has more customers on lower speed lines presumably would have their average pulled down even though they themselves might not be the bottleneck. Meh... nothing's perfect and it's a better rule than it was...
That sounds horrible. I would quit a job like that. I want vacation with family and friends with my bonus, not vacation with co-workers.
A million time yes. We spend more time with co-workers than anyone else in our lives just by being in the office... why would I want to spend any more time with them, nomatter how cool they might happen to be?
You are not a surgeon. Also, we need waaaaaay more programmers than surgeons.
Someone has a god complex if they compare themselves to a surgeon? You must have quite the admiration for surgeons.
I mean - yes. They face real visible present human consequences for their actions and mistakes. What consequences do I have for my errors... pretty much nothing. Someone might shout at me.
Dicking about on a computer all day is not the same.
Well, about half a century of research and experiments into making programming easier has yielded nearly nothing. You still need to understand what you are doing and how the machine (and the network, these days) works. Maybe this complexity is inherent in the task and any calls to make programming easier are just utterly disconnected from reality?
I don't know if that's true - we've made a whole bunch of progress in memory management, encapsulation, process separation etc. I would say that accepting that it's complex and leaving it at that, is really scary. The systems only get bigger and more complex, and... what then? What's the next bigger and more serious security breach?
Well, I like that it's wild west because, at the end of the day, merit still counts. You sound like some phb who thinks engineering is factory work. It's not.
I mean - I enjoy the wild-west nature. I just know it can't continue.
Until we have worked out how to build software in the same way an architect designs a building, where it can be proven to be strong enough to withstand the forces against it, we'll be in trouble.
You don't need to be super-intelligent to program effectively. You just need to be able to think logically and break down tasks. It doesn't need to be made easier, because if you can't do those two things you shouldn't be programming.
If it were that easy then we wouldn't be in the horrendous situation we are in now. Just go read the issues lists of major software - you don't have to believe me, the state of the profession is plain to see.
Agree on the 'full stack' craze, I also rail against the common mantra that you should use whatever programming language is best designed for the particular task... I tend to stick to the languages I know well rather than jump around. I know that I will probably suck if I switch languages outside the 2 or 3 I already know...
Even the best programmers make a litany of errors each day, any surgeon who had the mistake rate of a rockstar programmer would be struck off immediately. We think we're so good, but computer science is so far behind every other profession.
Maybe I misread/misunderstood this article but I read this as, 'let's dumb down computer programming".
Yes! Good! We need to get over this god-complex if we're ever going to sort out our profession. Programming *needs* to be easier, you can't just continually hire super-intelligent people because there just aren't enough of them. And even when you do, they still produce poor bug-ridden code, because the task is just too hard.
The level of complexity in computing is all but impossible for any reasonable human to handle. A really big portion of my days is spent finding things in other people's code (ie mainstream libraries) that don't work as they should, and god knows what mistakes I am personally putting out into the world. If big players (eg this week I found horrible problems with Google & Dropbox code) can't provide consistently working libraries what hope do the rest of us have, with tight deadlines and limited intelligence.
Every other profession, medicine, law, accountancy, engineering, have to deal with the fact that not everyone is a genius, and have systems and checks in-place that means people don't have to be flawless to work in them. Until computing is the same, it will remain a wild-west hobby. Programmers need to get over their pride.
Fuck machines, throw that money at >=$15/hr jobs where people hand count paper ballots.
Temp work is work. Who cares if CNN/Fox Shit/etc don't have immediate counts to give audiences, go vote, watch the news about exit polls, but then go to sleep and wait a couple days for a legitimate count.
Fuckin instant satisfaction is the true illness here.
Also the rest of the world seem to have no problem with paper ballots. They're not particularly expensive, very hard to defraud in a mass undetectable way like you can with electronic systems, easy to confirm, hard to trace to any individual... Some things just don't need to be electronic.
Last I read, only a Chromebook in developer mode can sideload APKs, and in developer mode
You should read more often: ["These are the Chromebooks that can run Android and Linux apps" by Jerry Hildenbrand]
Nothing in that article says anything about support for "sideloading" or "Unknown sources". Instead, it describes which Chromebooks can download and run apps from Google Play Store.
Ah - my mistake, I misunderstood the context. Yes you're right you can't sideload without being in developer mode. Which is annoying, to say the least.
Has this gone live on non-enterprise Chrome OS yet?
Yes. The link I posted is a list of stable-channel Chromebooks that run Google Play. It's not all, they run inside some sort of virualisation so the hardware has to have a bit of grunt to do it and probably only certain instruction sets are supported. There are about 20 models on the list and any modern one probably will run it.
They could have refused notches completely and mock Apple for doing something so ugly and impractical.
Meh. You write an OS for multiple clients then you have to provide the tools that the manufacturers want. I would rather they get in on the game on time than the situation we had on Android a few years ago with fingerprint readers: multiple insecure manufacturer-specific implementations came out before Android got a standard solution.
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...which is all great but you have ignored the fundamental central thing, which is that Musk has made an announcement that seems deliberately intended to affected the stock price (why else... why make something more expensive for yourself). If he doesn't go through with it he will have made a false statement, deliberately to affect stock price. That can get you in trouble.
If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera.
Yeah - however the best camera in the world is the one you have with you. If you're not carrying the separate camera then it's no good to anyone, and that's the ultimate problem with them. I love my SLR, but it also weighs a ton in comparison, gives me backache if I carry it around all day so I only do it when I really mean it. My Pixel 2 is always with me and takes great pictures whenever.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I don't think you're wrong in that they're aligning their marketing. It's not surprising. But how that has any effect on the consumer, or how is it somehow 'uncaring', or whatever hysterics you're attaching.
I just don't care... and I don't understand why you do. You know Apple are still doing fine, right?
It's a date. In time. Stop with the Apple persecution complex.
I suppose you also believe that Googles Pixel events, being after Apple's, is Apple trying to fuck with Google. No? I didn't think so.
OK... Not incompetent, anti consumer, uncaring or anything though is it? Just marketing jostling.
As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.
So what would you rather, the release on other devices be held back for integration on this device? How does that work with 10s of different manufacturers and 100s of new device releases? Because if you accept why there's a staggered rollout, then if you want to unstagger it you have to delay something else? Or you have to do some other magic? What would that be then?
It's really easy to spout judgements like "it's not good enough" but in the real world you have to pick your compromise. Either put the whole ecosystem on very few, tightly controlled devices and do them simultaneously, or have some staging processes.
They are UNBELIEVABLY incompetent and uncaring.
There is nothing else to say about a ridiculous, anti-consumer Dickish move like this; done JUST to beat Apple by a few weeks. And that is ALL it is.
Apple needs to make that iOS "Event" date more random, JUST to fuck with Samsung!
*tries to work out what you're complaining about*
Nope... no I don't get it. Could you be more explicit?
I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.
Because software integration takes time. I thought this was a tech site? Why are we getting such stupid questions?
It's already proving to be working - the beta releases were on a whole bunch of phones from other manufacturers. It's already had an effect, we'll see how quickly that turns into live production pushes but we're well ahead of where we were in previous releases.
Living in the freedom country is still worth it compared to the UK.,,
VAT 20% - because that is fair on lower incomes :-)
Price of gasoline? probably a weeks wages to fill a car up
Electricity? 10c/kWh around here.
Prices of houses, out of the question for the working class.
Yeah, please enjoy your honest broadband speedz :-)
Medical bills & chance of being bankrupted by sickness or denied treatment - zero.
University education - not cheap but a helluvalot more affordable than your 'freedom' prices.
Actual consumer protection laws so you can expect your purchases to function.
But I do agree on the VAT, it's a horribly regressive tax.
They can predict reasonably accurately how fast the line will go to your house because there's a whole bunch of historical data to pull from https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/...
Don't ask me how this works for averages though... an ISP that has more customers on lower speed lines presumably would have their average pulled down even though they themselves might not be the bottleneck. Meh... nothing's perfect and it's a better rule than it was...
That sounds horrible. I would quit a job like that. I want vacation with family and friends with my bonus, not vacation with co-workers.
A million time yes. We spend more time with co-workers than anyone else in our lives just by being in the office... why would I want to spend any more time with them, nomatter how cool they might happen to be?
It's ShanghaiBill's quality critical thinking that gets him through the day.
Like I said - god complex.
You are not a surgeon. Also, we need waaaaaay more programmers than surgeons.
Someone has a god complex if they compare themselves to a surgeon? You must have quite the admiration for surgeons.
I mean - yes. They face real visible present human consequences for their actions and mistakes. What consequences do I have for my errors... pretty much nothing. Someone might shout at me.
Dicking about on a computer all day is not the same.
Well, about half a century of research and experiments into making programming easier has yielded nearly nothing. You still need to understand what you are doing and how the machine (and the network, these days) works. Maybe this complexity is inherent in the task and any calls to make programming easier are just utterly disconnected from reality?
I don't know if that's true - we've made a whole bunch of progress in memory management, encapsulation, process separation etc. I would say that accepting that it's complex and leaving it at that, is really scary. The systems only get bigger and more complex, and... what then? What's the next bigger and more serious security breach?
I wish I had some answers though...
Well, I like that it's wild west because, at the end of the day, merit still counts. You sound like some phb who thinks engineering is factory work. It's not.
I mean - I enjoy the wild-west nature. I just know it can't continue.
Until we have worked out how to build software in the same way an architect designs a building, where it can be proven to be strong enough to withstand the forces against it, we'll be in trouble.
You don't need to be super-intelligent to program effectively. You just need to be able to think logically and break down tasks. It doesn't need to be made easier, because if you can't do those two things you shouldn't be programming.
If it were that easy then we wouldn't be in the horrendous situation we are in now. Just go read the issues lists of major software - you don't have to believe me, the state of the profession is plain to see.
Agree on the 'full stack' craze, I also rail against the common mantra that you should use whatever programming language is best designed for the particular task... I tend to stick to the languages I know well rather than jump around. I know that I will probably suck if I switch languages outside the 2 or 3 I already know...
Even the best programmers make a litany of errors each day, any surgeon who had the mistake rate of a rockstar programmer would be struck off immediately. We think we're so good, but computer science is so far behind every other profession.
Everyone must be a surgeon.
Not those rare few uppity elites who can afford the education.
It's discrimination I say!
We need to change how the human body operates to make it easier for more people to work on.
Like I said - god complex.
You are not a surgeon. Also, we need waaaaaay more programmers than surgeons.
Maybe I misread/misunderstood this article but I read this as, 'let's dumb down computer programming".
Yes! Good! We need to get over this god-complex if we're ever going to sort out our profession. Programming *needs* to be easier, you can't just continually hire super-intelligent people because there just aren't enough of them. And even when you do, they still produce poor bug-ridden code, because the task is just too hard.
The level of complexity in computing is all but impossible for any reasonable human to handle. A really big portion of my days is spent finding things in other people's code (ie mainstream libraries) that don't work as they should, and god knows what mistakes I am personally putting out into the world. If big players (eg this week I found horrible problems with Google & Dropbox code) can't provide consistently working libraries what hope do the rest of us have, with tight deadlines and limited intelligence.
Every other profession, medicine, law, accountancy, engineering, have to deal with the fact that not everyone is a genius, and have systems and checks in-place that means people don't have to be flawless to work in them. Until computing is the same, it will remain a wild-west hobby. Programmers need to get over their pride.
Fuck machines, throw that money at >=$15/hr jobs where people hand count paper ballots.
Temp work is work. Who cares if CNN/Fox Shit/etc don't have immediate counts to give audiences, go vote, watch the news about exit polls, but then go to sleep and wait a couple days for a legitimate count.
Fuckin instant satisfaction is the true illness here.
Also the rest of the world seem to have no problem with paper ballots. They're not particularly expensive, very hard to defraud in a mass undetectable way like you can with electronic systems, easy to confirm, hard to trace to any individual... Some things just don't need to be electronic.
Last I read, only a Chromebook in developer mode can sideload APKs, and in developer mode
You should read more often:
["These are the Chromebooks that can run Android and Linux apps" by Jerry Hildenbrand]
Nothing in that article says anything about support for "sideloading" or "Unknown sources". Instead, it describes which Chromebooks can download and run apps from Google Play Store.
Ah - my mistake, I misunderstood the context. Yes you're right you can't sideload without being in developer mode. Which is annoying, to say the least.
I humbly withdraw my sarcasm.
Has this gone live on non-enterprise Chrome OS yet?
Yes. The link I posted is a list of stable-channel Chromebooks that run Google Play. It's not all, they run inside some sort of virualisation so the hardware has to have a bit of grunt to do it and probably only certain instruction sets are supported. There are about 20 models on the list and any modern one probably will run it.
But you have to get your hands dirty, and that's a non-starter for many young people who have been programmed that such work is for the lesser people.
Yeah. And who did that programming? We did that. We did that.
They could have refused notches completely and mock Apple for doing something so ugly and impractical.
Meh. You write an OS for multiple clients then you have to provide the tools that the manufacturers want. I would rather they get in on the game on time than the situation we had on Android a few years ago with fingerprint readers: multiple insecure manufacturer-specific implementations came out before Android got a standard solution.