Slashdot Mirror


Ask Slashdot: What's the Best Unlocked Smartphone? (slashdot.org)

Slashdot reader datavirtue writes: I've tried a lot of phones for extended periods of time. Some of these have included the Samsung S4, S5, S8+, Note 4, S7, iPhone 5, and Huawei Honor 8. I have stayed away from Apple... My favorite phone was the Nokia 920 Windows phone for its fluid performance and simplicity and hardware camera button, but that phone is long gone.

When searching for an unlocked phone after leaving my current job I ordered a Huawei Honor 8 which refused to join a network, and a iPhone 7 which was DOA. This led to my reluctant purchase of a Sony Xperia XA2 Ultra when the Microcenter sales team couldn't find the last Google Pixel they had in stock. Had no idea I was in for such a treat. The Sony Xperia phone experience is well refined and a joy to use.

Are there any other unlocked phones that you know of under $500 that run this good?

Share your own opinions and experiences in the comments. What's the best unlocked smartphone?

284 comments

  1. Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any phone under $50.00

    1. Re:Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I have a better solution as usual! :)

      Dear datavirtue,

      I still use my iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete and I use it to make my videos on youtube. As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new iPhone for free if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.

      Also I use PhotoShop daily! :)

      I have a hearing loss in one ear, so my audio will always be suspect. I use a Zoom H2 audio recorder with a pop filter 12" away from my mouth, Audacity to clean up and normalize the audio, and sync the audio to the video and apply a "voice enhancement" eq to the audio in the video editor.

      My PC has an eight-core processor and a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card. A minute of 1080p video renedered on the processor takes a minute. A minute of 1080p video rendered on the Nvidia card takes 10 seconds. I don't think an iPad has the same performance of my PC for rendering videos longer than a short clip.

      I can't imagine using Photoshop without a keyboard and mouse, or not being able to access my files from my file server. Video rendering on the iPad will probably suck donkey balls.

      Blackmagic also charges high prices for their gear as Apple does. Need an HDMI to USB3 capture device? Blackmagic is $300. Any generic company is $50.

      I take public transit. A local bus take me down the street to pick up the express bus, the express bus drops me off in Palo Alto, and a local bus take me down the street to my job. An hour each way. Driving through Palo Alto during rush hour is insane. Since I work in government I.T., I start work at 7:00AM.

      Bonus: get some silver coins, view recommendations on my special Youtube channel dedicated to the topic! They constitute a fail-safe insurance strategy for your retirement!
      --
      Dwayne Johnson's Rampage As A Kaiju ("Weird Beast") Monster Movie

    2. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most phones can be purchased unlocked. iPhone is still the best phone in terms of privacy, performance, features, quality and longevity of updates.

    3. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. OnePlus 3 is currently supported ( longevity of updates), has newer features with each release ( like camera unlock) and performs way better than the iPhone SE at the same price range ( when released).
      It's has had 2 major Android updates and will likely get a third ( similar as iOS).

    4. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said under $500.
      I went with a Samsung galaxy s9+, through Verizon it cost me $450. I paid it off immediately, and then unlocked it and dumped the bloatware.

    5. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! This! Totally!

      Now try to load any 32 bit app you purchased.

      Because longevity is measured in months in Apple fanboi fantasies.

    6. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essential PH-1. It comes factory unlocked, with a bloatware-free OS, Snapdragon 835 SoC, 4GB RAM, 128GB storage, snap on modules (including an upcoming charging dock), titanium frame and costs about $350.

    7. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The unlocked requirement is most likely to prevent suggestions of "free" phones when one of his other requirements is under $500.

    8. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah, iphones are usually getting 4-6 major os-upgrades (the 5s started with ios 7 and is getting ios 12 - with big optimizations, so itâ(TM)s faster than on ios 11) this year. besides, itâs not really a comparison between the se and the oneplus3 - the se got a small form factor and footprint with itâs 4.0 inch display while the oneplus3 has a comparatively huge 5.5 inch display. depends on your taste, personally i prefer the small âzfits in your pocketâoe, âzcan be used ine handed without stretching your thumb too muchâoe - form factor.

    9. Re: Best Unlocked Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p.s.: i also call bullshit on your âzperforms betterâoe statement. while on paper the oneplus3 has the stronger hardware, android eats up that advantage and in the end the iphone se performs better in benchmarks, touch latency and overall performance.

  2. Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plain vanilla Android phone, good update policy with no pre-installed crapware. The camera being passable but not great is about the only weak point.

    1. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a basic phone it is ok, but it is underspecced and outperformed by phones that are cheaper. If you really are prepared to pay a premium and get a slightly subpar phone just for vanilla Android then sure it is a decent phone as long as you are not a demanding user.

    2. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plain vanilla Android phone, good update policy with no pre-installed crapware

      only weak point? you mean apart from slightly underspecced and overpriced compared to competitors. No water resistance, no drop resistance. very "average" battery life. Really the only thing going for the nokia 6.1 is the vanilla Android, everything else on it is subpar. While you could argue the vanilla Android makes up for some of that it shouldn't be on anyones list as a "best" smartphone as it simply fails in too many areas (especially the suck arse camera).

    3. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it wasn't expensive and the point is how much is the phone NOT being loaded with crapware and getting updates worth.

      I'm sure there are cheaper better spec'd phones, ones that actually work better and aren't making up for the price difference by monetizing the user ?, that's probably a very small set.

    4. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic phone with 4GB RAM and 64GB storage? I am sorry, can't keep a straight face while reading your statement.

    5. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just double-checked the Nokia 6.1 specs and it has wifi 802.11ac. Even my damn laptop doesn't have it. Also there is Bluetooth 5.0 although I have no idea what Bluetooth 5.0 devices exist and what they do.
      Oh, it even has fucking NFC. Shit ton of features that really cheap phones don't have. Guess what a cheap phone has 802.11n, no NFC and not even USB-to-go.

      For non-autistic people who don't buy a $300 phone every year it has plenty of specs.

    6. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The standard 6.1 comes with 32GB and 3GB, the top end model gets the 4GB and 64GB at a price premium, You also get an average CPU and poor performance. What is the point of 4GB ram and 64GB of storage when you can't use a lot of games or apps and the camera is shithouse. As I said it is ok for a basic smartphone, if you game or se demanding apps it is a dog, if you take photos it is a dog. At which point why would you pay the premium for this if you don't intend to use the camera or demanding apps, may as well get a much much cheaper lower spec.

    7. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where the hell did you find a laptop without 802.11ac in this day and age lol I mean seriously even the cheap arse $200 pieces of shit from HP come with it. I have a feeling you have not looked at phones or laptops in a LONG time if you think those features are amazing.

    8. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a computer, and like a computer having a high quantity of RAM and a supported OS allows to use it for years. At least web browsing and non game apps will still work. Hell, on this website I thought people wondered if they can run linux desktop software in a VM or chroot, etc., and modern games are spyware so I don't want to run them.
      If I were to buy this it would be the fastest handheld CPU I ever had, the best camera I ever had and the RAM/storage specs are that of current netbooks. First thing I would do is delete every google icon (including the app store) like dragging the Internet Explorer icon to the trash in Windows.

    9. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wrong I have 802.11ac 1x1 whatever that means.
      Anyway there are people for whom buying a $200 or $300 phone is a commitment, not everyone on this planet is middle class US buying these all the time and throwing them in the trash.
      Hence why a supported phone that costs a lot less than $800 is a bigger deal than you think.

    10. Re: Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What apps require high spec? Most apps are designed with the lowest spec in mind in order to function for a larger section of users. Unless you're a 12 year old who only uses your phone for games then that is more than sufficient

    11. Re:Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nothing wrong with buying a moderately priced phone, but if that is what you are after and price is important then the Nokia is still the wrong phone. Go the Moto G6 range or various others with the same features and cheaper prices or similar price but higher spec.

    12. Re:Nokia 6.1 by anss123 · · Score: 1

      Another weak point is the charging time. Unless they fixed that in the .1 update. It's the reason I passed on a Nokia this time around.

      I ended up going from a Nokia 920 Windows phone to an Apple iPhone 8. It honestly feels like a downgrade. The iPhone display isn't as good to read on, the battery-life is about the same - but the Nokia is over 5 years old and has the battery draining "clock on screen" feature turned on. The camera is perhaps better, but not enough for me to spot the difference, while the UI is clunky. Perhaps iOS 12 will fix all that, but I have my doubts. Only reason I'm not keeping that 920 now is because websites no longer supports it, and the whole no app support thing.

    13. Re: Nokia 6.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Motos still have a physical home button / fingerprint reader under the screen, which is old fashioned, ugly and uncomfortable. The Nokia 6.1 is a joy to use and has an excellent screen and good battery life. The only drawback is the 'premium' metal casing.

  3. iPhone by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, no kidding. You can get a used iPhone 7 for below that price. Battery? Get the battery changed this year, it's still cheap from an Apple store.

    --
    Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    1. Re:iPhone by Carewolf · · Score: 0

      No, no kidding. You can get a used iPhone 7 for below that price. Battery? Get the battery changed this year, it's still cheap from an Apple store.

      Haha.. good joke. Loved the part where you started with "no kidding"

    2. Re:iPhone by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      The iPhone gets a lot of hate on here because it's locked down and geared towards the masses. Nevertheless, Apple is usually pretty good when it comes to OS updates, and iPhones have no carrier bloatware. The unlocked model works on all 4 carriers here in the US, whereas many other unlocked phones are limited to only GSM networks (AT&T and T-Mobile and the various virtual carriers which piggyback on their networks).

      Apple is also pretty much your only choice if you want a 5" display without compromising horribly on the camera and CPU. Even Sony's latest so-called compact phone has fallen victim to the "bigger is better" design mentality.
       

      --

      ---
      DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    3. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you buy a used iPhone lemon, play with changing the battery and put up with who knows what abuse, when you can get a Xiaomi redmi 5 note new for 150 euros.

    4. Re: iPhone by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Because an iPhone is cool, well designed, ergonomics are still the best, and it's safer. No i'm not a fanboi, just tried both!

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    5. Re:iPhone by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      On slashdot 'unlock' means root.

      --
      Good-bye
    6. Re: iPhone by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      What does 'cool' mean these days if you're not a nine year old?

    7. Re:iPhone by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? Many people when looking for an "unlocked" phone are looking for carrier unlocked, so they don't get the high hard one should they dare leave the United States.

      With a carrier-locked AT&T phone, you get the option of paying $17/day for their "international pass" screw-job when outside the US. With an unlocked phone, in a lot of countries you can buy a local SIM for that one-day cost and have two+ weeks, and be able to top up any time you wish. And it's not like changing out the SIM is hard.

      I think I seriously paid $10 for 5GB of LTE data service as well as unlimited access to the carrier's multi-hundred-megabit WiFi when I was in Thailand last year, because I was traveling with an unlocked phone.

      It's a total racket.

      --
      Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
    8. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7? Are you nuts? Get an SE, get it new, with 128GB storage for $430

    9. Re: iPhone by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      I am.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    10. Re: iPhone by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      New, used, what difference does it make as long as the battery is new?

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    11. Re:iPhone by samkass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed... an unlocked iPhone is probably the original posters best "non-ideologically-pure" option. Smooth, fast UI, good camera, great support, secure, continued OS security and functionality upgrades... and I'm going to call shenanigans on receiving a "DOA" iPhone 7 unless they bought a stolen used one. Apple backs up their products better than almost anyone. But Apple is the one Slashdot loves to hate, so...

      --
      E pluribus unum
    12. Re:iPhone by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm still using an iPhone 5C from 2013 and OS updates only recently stopped with iOS 11. Four years of updates is unheard of in the Android world.

      --
      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    13. Re:iPhone by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I was hoping unlocked” meant bloatware-free.

      --
      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    14. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always have a new battery in my iPhone 6s, As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new battery.

      I still use my iPhone 6s and reduce my monthly bill from $80 to $50. As a phone and a video camera, the iPhone 6s isn't obsolete and I use it to make my videos on youtube. As a Sprint very special customer for 20+ years, Sprint will always give me a new iPhone for free if I decide to stop using the 6s as a phone in the next several years.
      --
      Dwayne Johnson's Rampage As A Kaiju ("Weird Beast") Monster Movie

    15. Re:iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's updates intentionally slow older phones to force people to buy newer ones. Their updates might as well not exist because you can't decouple security fixes from OS "upgrades" like you can on Android.

      Do not go with an iPhone. Apple is out of ideas and every single new iPhone is even worse. The iPhone 5 was the last iPhone worth considering, and they've stopped making it and put out OS updates that slow existing ones to a crawl.

      Apple products are nearly unrepairable, so the point that Apple doesn't even try. If you take an iPhone in for repair, they'll just charge you for a new "refurbished" one and tell you to restore from a backup. Hope you don't mind losing all your data.

      Since their batteries are terrible and also no-replaceable, you will need to swap iPhones on a yearly basis if you want to have any prayer of using them all day.

      Never buy Apple. You will regret it.

    16. Re: iPhone by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Tried one.... Dead on arrival and subsequent Google searches showed a lot of problems with the iPhone 7. Has to work.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    17. Re: iPhone by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      DOA from microcenter and the problem was very common. One of the remedies was hooking it up to a Mac with iTunes. Fuck that gibberish to get it to turn on. My criteria was "just works" at which point it failed.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    18. Re:iPhone by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      No they sacrefice cpu clock to prelongg odage/stanby timeon a degraded batery, is it optimal for evryone? No but it eas a feaction to complaints about poor batery pergformanc (have to charge all the time etc) on older devces. Shuld wppl hav ntrudused a setting for batery life cves performsnce, hindsight yea probably. But i doubt they intentionaly slw down their devises just to bush new device sales

    19. Re:iPhone by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I own a Nokia 950 (yes, Windows10). Some day I'll need to get a new phone; I cracked the screen, and while it continues to work fine, it probably won't forever. When I compare the Nokia's screen and camera (dunno about the CPU) with other phones, I'm astounded to find that at least according to the specs, it beats everything else: 1440x2560 pixel five inch screen, (rear) camera 20MP, f1.9, image stabilization, etc. etc.; even a replaceable battery. And yet I paid ~$200 for a reconditioned phone. I don't see these specs on anything else.

      Am I misunderstanding s.t. (and I don't mean the OS + apps)? Are these specs misleading?

    20. Re: iPhone by mcswell · · Score: 1

      How can I tell if the battery is new?

    21. Re: iPhone by sl149q · · Score: 1

      Reasonably sure that you can Google XXX for any high volume smartphone and find out that someone somewhere has had some dead on arrival anecdotal evidence for you. Law of large numbers etc.

      On the other hand, if you look at satisfaction stats you'll find all current and recent (and not so recent) iPhones at the top of the list consistently, which gives the lie to your anecdotal evidence based on an experiment of N units where N is 1.

    22. Re:iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Late 2015 (its release) is not even too old. Since then CPU got better, which is about the least important part in a phone unless that's what you care about. RAM got more expensive, flash memory is expensive. They ran out of pixels to add to the screen and cameras.
      Maybe shop for a replacement screen assembly.

      I predict 2020 phones or late 2019 phones will be rather competent at e.g. desktop replacement : 7nm CPUs, oversupply of RAM and flash memory. But I don't see a reason why screens and cameras would get much, if any better.

    23. Re:iPhone by short · · Score: 0
      How to play on Apple normal safe videos without being jailed by DMCA - that is WebM?

      How to normally chat? That is using Free protocols like XMPP which is best done by Pidgin/libpurple? Apple forbids too Free software in AppStore. We ended up with my girlfriend using proprietary GoogleTalk==Hangouts but that has its own flaws.

    24. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm posting this from my iphone 5s purchased in 2013. It's plenty fast running the latest ios 11.4. I'm not using it for vr or gaming or anything cpu intensive, but it browses, e-mails, and plays media without being slow. I have replaced the battery twice for $25 each. $30 with all the tools you need from ifixit. I have to leave my phone in my car every day and suspect heat is the main cause of my battery failures. I can't justify a new phone in any price range as long as it's working this well. Repair parts and guides are plentiful, though I haven't needed to replace anything other than the battery.

    25. Re: iPhone by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      because I said in the OP that the battery is purchased from an apple store

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    26. Re:iPhone by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 0

      Agreed... an unlocked iPhone is probably the original posters best "non-ideologically-pure" option. Smooth, fast UI, good camera, great support, secure, continued OS security and functionality upgrades... and I'm going to call shenanigans on receiving a "DOA" iPhone 7 unless they bought a stolen used one. Apple backs up their products better than almost anyone. But Apple is the one Slashdot loves to hate, so...

      I hate Apple but agree. It's probably the best experience fro non-tinkerer types, and Apple has the best support by far.
      I'll never buy though because I want to do stuff with my device that Apple doesn't allow. It's Phone by Fisher Price. And if you're the technology equivalent of a 4 year old then its the best option by far.

    27. Re:iPhone by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Yes, my wife just got a used iPhone 7. It's a bargain and 5 years of SW updates guaranteed (from initial release) is very useful in this respect.

      I just put iOS 12 beta on her old iPhone 5s and apps load in half the time, if it wasn't for wanting a bigger screen she would have stayed with it. In contrast my only 3 years old Android is no longer getting updates.

      With the things people use their phones for now they're practically the new Personal Computer and with people starting to keep phones longer it's not enough keeping security updates to three years.

    28. Re:iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping this thread would be about unlocked/rooted phones with a headphone jack.
      Because that's the only type of phone I'd pay a premium price (> $2-300) for.

    29. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm posting this from my iphone 5s purchased in 2013. It's plenty fast running the latest ios 11.4.

      Bullshit you are. iOS starting in iOS 11 mangles quotes on Slashdot. Since you've already got two quotes that haven't been destroyed, it's safe to say that you're not using iOS 11 even if you are posting from an iPhone.

    30. Re:iPhone by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      No they sacrefice cpu clock to prelongg odage/stanby timeon a degraded batery, is it optimal for evryone? No but it eas a feaction to complaints about poor batery pergformanc (have to charge all the time etc) on older devces. Shuld wppl hav ntrudused a setting for batery life cves performsnce, hindsight yea probably. But i doubt they intentionaly slw down their devises just to bush new device sales

      In Android terms, the iPhone slows down when it boot loops. The OS detects it couldn't boot properly (and the usual cause is the battery cannot sustain the power requirement, especially during power hungry boot cycles) and slows down the CPU.

      So instead of a boot looping phone, you get a phone that's in "limp home" mode - it's working and going to work.

      There's a few cases of boot looping Android phones being "rescued" by installing modified kernels that disable stuff. Guess what? You're doing the same thing Apple did - disabling high power CPU cores so you can boot and run on a degraded battery.

      Apple's method may be crude, but it's better than a boot looping phone. A slow phone that still works on a bad battery is far better than a phone that won't boot. At least you can make an emergency call.

    31. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cool"? You mean, like, it doesn't heat up? "Safer"? In what way? I think you've eaten up a lot of cliches, fanboi, but you don't know very well if those big words mean anything.

    32. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, then try to explain why the iphone 5s actually runs faster with the latet betas of ios 12 than it did with ios 11.

    33. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no need to get personal here. i am certainly not the technological equivalent of a 4-year old, and i can find my way around rooting an android, etc., it's just not worth my time and effort. i also lack the patience and tolerance to deal with ad-supported freemium apps and bloatware - hence i'm using an iphone.

    34. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's easy, iOS 12 doesn't even support the iPhone 5, so it doesn't. Next question?

    35. Re:iPhone by RandomActOfKindness · · Score: 1

      > I'll never buy though because I want to do stuff with my device that Apple doesn't allow

      Like what? I'm about to give up my BlackBerry (the *real* phone Slashdoters love to hate), leaning towards iPhone, but am not very cognizant of the box into which I could be climbing.

    36. Re: iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Xiaomi doesn't really work in the US with its bands?

    37. Re:iPhone by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      > I'll never buy though because I want to do stuff with my device that Apple doesn't allow

      Like what? I'm about to give up my BlackBerry (the *real* phone Slashdoters love to hate), leaning towards iPhone, but am not very cognizant of the box into which I could be climbing.

      To be honest I can't remember all of them but some that come to mind at the time (a few years ago when I made the decision) was the keyboard, ie load any keyboard you like with Android such as Swype), and the file manager (Apple doesn't let you see the file system..
      I've also noticed that in the last 5 years, in the tech savvy space I operate in almost everyone had iPhones 5 years ago, now almost no-one has them, and everyone you ask says the same thing - too restrictive.

  4. Moto Z3 Play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife enjoys it. Seems pretty good so far. She likes the Moto Mods.

  5. Essential Phone by dc29A · · Score: 1

    Android P, SD 835.

    1. Re:Essential Phone by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 1

      Essential is the best because raw android, monthly updates, super fast hardware, long battery life. cheap because they didn't sell that many.

    2. Re: Essential Phone by Faw · · Score: 1

      This. Crazy fast updates (had android p just 3 hours after Google announced the release) great hardware, camera is ok. The 3d camera attachment is great.

    3. Re:Essential Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just pick up an android one device. They're (supposed) to be better about updates, like the nexus line and, unlike the pixels, don't cost an arm and a leg. Happy with my Moto X4 (from Fi store). Also happy with Fi, FWIW.

    4. Re:Essential Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also sports a laggy screen digitizer, no sd card slot, and poor signal reception thanks in part to its ceramic body components.

    5. Re:Essential Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moto X4 has an inferior CPU, inferior GPU, low resolution screen, non-replaceable battery and no laser autofocus.

      Pass.

  6. Essential Phone by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

    The company's future is a bit unknown at this point, but I've been curious to take a look at the Essential Phone -- a pure android experience, unlocked, runs on most networks, and while not the highest of specs it seems reasonably good.

  7. Probably the new Nokia Android phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Highly reputable company with skilled engineers, they deliver Android One phones without any crap and 3 years of guaranteed updates, primarily for western markets, so they're serious about their phones working on all networks.

    1. Re:Probably the new Nokia Android phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It seems likely that the good engineers have left the company and the reputation was for a corporation that doesn't exist anymore. Nokia at this point is a meaningless brand name.

    2. Re:Probably the new Nokia Android phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current Nokia (HMD Global) is mostly staffed by ex. Nokia engineers and executives, so other than on paper, it's very much the same company run by the same people.

  8. WileyFox Swift 2x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android 8.1... very happy with it

    1. Re:WileyFox Swift 2x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looked at upgrading to that one as my primary phone was the Swift 2 from when it came out (currently running 7.1.2 - no more official updates, which is a bone of contention, however I'm looking at installing LineageOS on it.) but the company (Wileyfox) appeared to be in the process of meltdown at the time..so, as I also needed an 'outdoor' phone for site visits (and didn't want to pay silly money for one), I opted for a Ulefone Armor 2.
      Still use the Swift 2 as well though, for what it's worth it's survived a lot and has been very reliable (well, apart from the magnetometers...they've been a wee bit flaky since the start so the compass isn't to be trusted)

  9. Pixel2 with Lineage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I vote Pixel2 for the hardware, but I put an [unofficial] build of LineageOS on it immediately.

    1. Re: Pixel2 with Lineage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Went from 920 > nexus 5p > pixel 2xl .. can highly recommend. Couple of friends with iPhones switches to pixel after comparing them side by side.

      Wish they were as cheap as the old nexus line tho

  10. advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Had no idea I was in for such a treat. The Sony Xperia phone experience is well refined and a joy to use.

    slashvertisement in the guise of a question?

    1. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > slashvertisement in the guise of a question?

      This was my first question, too. Great minds think alike, it seems.

      Oh, and BTW.: don't buy Sony.

    2. Re:advertising by DeBaas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      possibly, but let my counter that.. Since owning an Xperia (Z compact) as well as an Xperia tablet, I've put Sony on my personal blacklist. Forget about security updates when they don't sell your model anymore. It also comes with lots of bloatware that you can't really remove without the device becoming unstable (I tried). After another push message by Sony's 'social whatever' on Kim Kardashian I got a Nexus 5x and haven't looked back.
      Too bad, the hardware was OK...
      In the same period I updated the firmware on a Sony TV. Afterwards I couldn't get HD channels anymore. Couldn't go back to the latest version since 'Sony wants you to have the best experience' so they don't support reflashing to older firmware.
      I'm done with Sony

      --
      ---
    3. Re: advertising by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      No not at all. Damn thing fired up and got the fuck out of my way. I hate smart phones honestly but this UX takes out some of the pain. I came from an S8+ whose back disintegrated from impact...covered in a mid grade Otterbox. It wasn't a pleasant enough experience to warrant $900 and dealing with powdered glass floating everywhere. I'm active in the outdoors so glass bodies are not an option any more. I had a new S7 laying around so I convinced myself I liked it but it was on Verizon and had no fingerprint unlock....which is a real pain in the ass for something that I use so much.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    4. Re:advertising by shanen · · Score: 1

      I've also stopped major purchases from Sony, though I had a lot of respect for their Vaio line of computers. I was actually working in Akihabara at that time, and I've never seen a better entry into the market, and it took the other makers many months to catch up with the 505 series. I didn't buy one until a few years later, but it was a good machine and served me well and long.

      That was the old Sony.

      The main experience in souring my view was actually the orphaning of a PDA. That was an expensive mistake, even though it was quite satisfactory for many purposes and even though most of the blame really goes to Microsoft... However that changed my mind about today's Sony, and I've been unable to consider an Xperia seriously, even though the specs look attractive.

      --
      Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
    5. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to have a Sony TV... I had a problem where when watching a DVD, the screen would cut out for 1-2 seconds. Went to the Sony website and they have a new fw that fixes the issue, great! Except, the clowns at Sony uploaded the old fw (v1.76) and called it v2.0.1. I downloaded the fw file and dissected it and verified the version they uploaded was v1.76. No amount of emailing Sony/calling their non-support line could get through to them that the file on their website was wrong.

      Couple that, with the fact that the display developed problems with the T-Con leading to entire missed rows of pixels. My neighbors Sony developed the same issue with the T-Con, except he had a missing rows right in the center of the display. I will never buy another Sony product.

    6. Re: advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being also a media company, they also have the most copy protection too. I stopped buying sony a long ago after I tried to format shift a VHS tape to my PC through a digital sony camcorder. I used VHS to camcorder line in and firewire to pc as a live monitor for recording. The passthrough cut out and the camcorder display showed 'copy protected content' as soon as I played the VHS. The source turned out to be macrovision protected. This was a legal format shift of original content from obsolete media which it was capable of monitoring without passthrough or recording. Then and there I knew sony A/V hardware was going to cause problems whete other (usually cheaper) brands would not and they hit the purchase blacklist. Ive also been telling everyone who asks what to buy the same. I know their TVs have a lot of similar protections which will burn you when you least expect it.

    7. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes. Sony. Where they are desperately trying to shove the What's New app down the users throat by preventing them from disabling the notifications and their helpful Support app tells you to restart the device every week to prevent stability issues. It's sad.

    8. Re: advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, sony tvs are becoming increasingly worse. sadly they are still way better than badly designed, rapidly failing samsung-crap in my experience. itâs the same with apple, while the hardware is getting increasingly overpriced and harder to use (again), they are still kind of peerless when it comes to the overall package. while they are becoming an easier target for their competition, thereâs still nobody to take them on at eye level. personally iâm hoping o the next evolution of chinese companies, when they realize that software (design) is even more important than hardware.

    9. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony tries way too hard to make laptops on the level of Apple but suck at QC. VAIO isn't even owned by Sony anymore

  11. Lenovo P2a42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Lenovo P2 is simply the best. One of the longest lasting batteries on the market and large display. I highly recommend this smartphone which can be purchased for less than $350 on Amazon, Ebay or AliExpress.

    1. Re:Lenovo P2a42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using unlocked Lenovo/Moto G3,G4, and G5 phones for my family and they have been great. They are affordable with minimal crapware, they use reliable Google apps (unlike Samsungs I have owned), and they are available unlocked without carrier crapware.

  12. Still using a ZUK Z2 by Gabest · · Score: 1

    SD 820, many 8.1 oreo roms to choose from.

  13. one with monthly Android OS updates by galaad2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any phone that you can get with regular monthly OS updates or you can install LineageOS on

    when someone asks me to look for a phone i tell them to
    1) use GSMArena's phone finder (or whatever their prefer) to search for a phone
    2) check the phone they find against the list of devices that LineageOS supports https://download.lineageos.org...

    Currently i'm using a Moto E 2015 LTE phone (surnia), but my next phone won't be a Moto - when they launched this model they promised it would have regular OS updates without having to install alternate OSs but then they fucked us and even discontinued all support for the phone. They sold it with a 2 year warranty but dumped its support 6 months after they launched it.

    --
    root@127.0.0.1
    1. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right now Lenovo/Motorola is only 2 months behind on security updates for my phone (G5+ retus channel). It took them like 5 months to give us the KRACK patches that were available the first week after the announcement.

    2. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found out some phones have LineageOS builds while not supported officially after all.
      E.g. the ZTE Open C (Firefox phone) has a Lineage 13.0 build from april 2018 or so, with patches for the Bluetooth security failure etc. ; done by a lone amateur who seemed to know what he's doing (so : maybe there'll be an updated build of 13.0 some day, maybe not) (it only has 512MB RAM and Android 7.1 / Lineage 14.x is unusable from what I've read)

      Currently i'm using a Moto E 2015 LTE phone (surnia), but my next phone won't be a Moto - when they launched this model they promised it would have regular OS updates without having to install alternate OSs but then they fucked us and even discontinued all support for the phone. They sold it with a 2 year warranty but dumped its support 6 months after they launched it.

      Sure, they got bought by Lenovo and thus updates and support went out the door immediately. That can happen.
      For FirefoxOS the whole OS dropped dead overnight - if it had gone on it would probably be a bad OS if you want many, high performing apps but there would be the browser with ad blocking, no script etc.

    3. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Motorola G4. 2/32. Hard to find new. 2/16s are still available from Motorola for About $129. I got mine for that price with the 32 gb internal storage last Christmas. It is simple durable. It comes with android 6 and downloads update it to 7. It has little bloatware, is "splash resistance". I put LineageOS 14 on it, and it works great. Motorola has an actual unlocking procedure that voids your warranty, but at this price, who cares. It has a 12MP camera, a "turbo" charger which charges to full capacity in about an hour. No NFC or finger print scans, but I like that. A simple functional phone at a reasonable price. Yes, it is carrier unlocked with a sim card slot.

    4. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statutory Warranty and fit for use are not negated in all countries.
      In cases where support is didcontinues or later than 6 months, ALL legal protections should be void. That is ower may repair, reverse engineer or sell modified firmwares.

    5. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The new Google Pixel phone will be out in a few months. That means that the current model, the Pixel 2, will be on sale soon. You will be able to get one for less than half price.

      You will get a year of guaranteed OS updates and probably more. Many years of security updates. The bootloader is unlocked and it is supported by third party ROMs if that is your thing. They also have excellent cameras and other hardware.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    6. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been warning people to steer clear of Motorola phones since before 2013 when they screwed over all Photon 4G owners.
      They advertised it as their flagship dual-band world phone (with gsm and cdma support), and promised it would get ICS.
      Not *6 months* later they fully abandoned it, saying it would now *never* get the ICS update, and this announcement came days after pushing an OTA that forever *locked* the bootloader preventing anyone from loading alternative OSes at all. So they are all stuck on Jellybean.

      Very sad, since the physical hardware was 4 cores and 1GB ram--it was still competitive for several years in that respect--just worthless because of software.

    7. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      After my Nexus 4 went tits up I stopped trusting google to lean on manufacturers to produce decent devices. They keep using LG and HTC. I have never had a product from either of these vendors which I did not find deeply disappointing, so I am not even considering a Google device myself. I'd rather buy a Moto and load LineageOS, at which point I don't give a good goddamn if I ever get another official ROM.

      I'm not married to Moto, but they've offered me the best experience so far, even if my Moto G 2nd is now literally falling apart. The screen is coming away from the body. Still works though. Probably gonna buy an E4 next. I've read a lot of reviews and nothing else in the low-end price range is as good, though a couple of other devices seem to come close. I would try another brand, but none of the other cheap phones have water resistance. I'm a sweaty sort, so this is an absolutely mandatory feature. I have a feeling that's what killed my N4's digitizer.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essential ph-1. Was on sale on amazon again for $329. Last year's flagship specs. Andria 9 release day(Monday) and is planned to receive support for two more years.

      Battery life with androd 9 is crazy too. I used to have to charge any phone that I had every day or so but since 9 I'm managing 2-3d between charges. Google finally got a handle on sleeppower management as screen on usage is still as expected from over the years but sleep is now really well managed. Watch out for rogue apps if you don't get improved battery life with9.

    9. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use an unlocked, rooted Moto X 2nd gen, the one with the wooden back. Love it. Don't use it for anything more than browsing and music really though. Pretty good battery life, and the best feel in the hand you can get. Because it was so cheap I don't feel I have to lock it up in a case. I don't mind changing phones often and I can do that with reasonable priced smartphones. Maybe iPhone SE next :)

    10. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Motorola hasn't changed since the Motorola "CLIQ with MOTOBLUR". They were pretty awful.

    11. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like my Tmobile MotoZ2 Force. Will get Lineage OS with treble soon. Getting stock updates about quarterly. Got it on CyberMonday with free projector which I sold on eBay for a net $200 cost.

    12. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      Worst phone I ever had was an LG... never again.

    13. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Using LineageOS (which you recommend, and which I do) means that whether the manufacturer (in your example, Motorola) puts out OS updates is irrelevant... since the updates come via LineageOS. So is it on principle -- namely to punish Motorola for not putting out OS updates, even though you don't use them -- that you're promising your next hardware won't be Moto? Just curious.

      --
      - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
    14. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by thestallion · · Score: 1

      You can still unlock the bootloader. I did.
      And I agree with your complaints.

    15. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by I.+M.+Bur · · Score: 1

      So is it on principle -- namely to punish Motorola for not putting out OS updates

      You will punish Lenovo/Motorola by giving them money for the phone and then never using their after-sale support (updates, hotline, etc.)? That's a weird way to look at it. You are probably one of their favorite type of customer.

    16. Re:one with monthly Android OS updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will punish Lenovo/Motorola by giving them money for the phone and then never using their after-sale support (updates, hotline, etc.)? That's a weird way to look at it.

      What's weird is that you think his post is pushing the idea of punishing Moto, which means you skim-read without thinking, OR you're a troll turfer from in the cell industry. In case it's the former, here's the scoop:

      The OP says he uses LineageOS yet is unhappy about lack of OS updates from Moto so he'll never use Moto again. PP says that since both he and OP use LineageOS, updates from Moto are irrelevant to him/them, so he asks why he'd skip Moto hardware. So no, he's not pushing a "punish Moto" mentality, he's saying "if Moto's hardware fits the bill and you don't care about their OS, why wouldn't you use it?"

      GET it?

  14. Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the things i loathe on modern smart phones is the manufacturer's custom UI and the pre-Insalled garbage on them.

    This is, why I usually recommend Android One phones (all current Nokia or Xiaomi Mi), or phones with an experience as close to AOSP as possible, like Motorola or Oneplus

    Sony builds nice handsets, with a horrible UI, but they offer their Open Devices program with detailed instructions on how to build AOSP and how to install it

    1. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      One of the things i loathe on modern smart phones is the manufacturer's custom UI and the pre-Insalled garbage on them.

      This is, why I usually recommend Android One phones (all current Nokia or Xiaomi Mi), or phones with an experience as close to AOSP as possible, like Motorola or Oneplus

      Sony builds nice handsets, with a horrible UI, but they offer their Open Devices program with detailed instructions on how to build AOSP and how to install it

      This. The Xiaomi Mi A1 is very good, about $200, stock Android, only thing it doesn't do is NFC. Very pleased with it.

    2. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3.5mm jack = Yes
      microSD = Yes
      FM radio = Yes
      Removeable battery: = No

      Damm, so close but no cigar.

    3. Re:Pre-installed garbage by gTsiros · · Score: 1

      had a z ultra

      with each update they removed another feature.

      content adaptive backlight control was hardcoded *on*

      now the screen fluctuates in brightness when the content changes. It's very distracting and *can not be disabled*.

      yeah you can unlock the bootloader and they give the sources but good luck having all features work (in some versions the camera won't work, or the gps or whatever)

      --
      Looking for people to chat about multicopters, coding, music. skype: gtsiros
    4. Re: Pre-installed garbage by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      What is horrible about the UI? I find it simple and fluid. They even have themes that are pretty decent.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    5. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is conditionally removable.

    6. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Removeable battery: = No

      While I like the idea of a removable battery in principle, in practice I've found that (with modern batteries and charging technology) by the time the battery dies enough to be replaced, replacements are unavailable at all or are dubious 3rd-party clones which don't necessarily fit or work properly (looking at you LG ...). Which effectively means your removable battery isn't replaceable anyway.

      So unless the use case is carrying around spare batteries rather than a powerbank or just charging as needed, then it seems to be a moot point. YMMV of course.

      What would be nice is a standard form factor removable battery across manufacturers, but good luck with that ...

    7. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just bough a new original battery for my Samsung note4 - so it is possible. I bought it (unlocked) when it was a flagship model, and they still issue sw upgrades and produce batteries. They also sell the note4 still - probably because some people want a phone with:
      * easily replaceable battery
      * a headphone jack
      * no breakable glass on the backside/corners.
      It doesn't matter that the model is a bit dated. The newer ones doesn't seem to have anything that makes them much better. Someday, new tech will make it obsolete. Perhaps wpa3, perhaps reception of galileo sate
      llites. Neither matters today.

      Replaceable battery isn't merely for keeping an old phone going. It is also nice when you go on a trip where you cannot charge for some time. Just bring some full batteries along.

      As for preinstalled garbage - I can uninstall anything, so I uninstalled the facebook app. It is not gone from ROM, but the software doesn't run and so doesn't waste cpu time or network quotas.

    8. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the condition "device will never function again"?

      Because that applies to any device with a battery. You bet your ass we can remove that sucker. Putting it back in is harder.

    9. Re:Pre-installed garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm actually shit at plugging in my phone. So I have two batteries. One is always charging and one is in the phone. When I notice it get below 5%, I just swap and boom, back to full.

      And... I'm doing this right now with 2 li-ion 3Ahr batteries from LG. Internet chinese slow-boat purchase matched exact. But I probably just got lucky.

      One of those phone-sized powerbanks also effectually works, and I keep that in the car. But it's awfully bulky.

      And sometimes I want to REALLY turn off the phone. But maybe that's just paranoia talking.

  15. Sony Xperia X and Sailfish X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed I feel the Sony phones these days are underappreciated. They are very good. Great build quality good camera. Specs are fine as well. Sony also is very developer friendly better yet they actively support it. For instance you can install a decently supported alternate operating system like Sailfish X on several Xperia devices. This is a very sleek and fast OS which is also easier on you battery. When hardware breaks there is enough easily available spare parts. Before I forget, if you buy the Sailfish X for about $50 froem Jolla it will include the alien Dalvik which enables you to use regular Android apps. Anyway it is also a good choice for privacy and security minded individuals.

  16. Sony Xperia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a 6 month old Sony Xperia. With their twice-per-year update schedule, the prior 700+ flagship gets to ~500 in roughly this timeframe.
    Close to stock, good battery life, a lot of (useful) features, and a serious company behind.

    1. Re: Sony Xperia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, please don't.

      I have a Sony xa1... Full of Bloat, unstable wifi, unusable Bluetooth and a touch screen where the edges fail all the time. OK, so you would think this is just an unlucky anicdote... Check for solutions online you find many people in the same situation.

      Very disappointed Sony. Never again.

  17. unlocked firmware or unlocked SIM by short · · Score: 1

    Does the question mean unlocked firmware/bootloader so that one can easily flash LineageOS (possibly rebuilt)or does it just mean a locked proprietary firmware where SIM card of any operator can be used?

  18. What is it with you crazy people any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Phone. Nerf Said. What rock have you been under since that epoch?

    1. Re:What is it with you crazy people any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got killed off, like two years ago?

      Fuck this shit.
      I still don't have a smartphone (beside some old random crap I got but never put a SIM in or connected to a network as I didn't manage to format them)

      Wake me when there are mature phones. Fuck, there should be phones that run RHEL or SLES. Just because.
      Funny how Microsoft thought they were going to put Windows 10 on phones but then threw the towel. Because their stupid Windows 10 shit is an OS upgrade every six months and drop support for the old shit (except LTSB, LTSC and whatever the long-term one is years from now). And they don't want consumers to use the long term ones. So, all the cell phone shit in Windows 8 and 10 is for nothing.

  19. Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by fustflum · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently purchased a Nokia 2 from Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FLG6MV]. It's a generic android phone, unlocked, and with an unlocked bootloader. It cost $100 bucks. I'm not in love with it, but, it supports 2 sim cards at the same time, which is really cool, and I'm sure I'll find some use for eventually. ;)

    1. Re:Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got the same phone, for those of us who are not glued to their phones playing games all the time, it's a good enough phone.
      You can watch netflix, youtube, use popular apps if you really want to and what not.
      The only thing it's missing is the horsepower to play demanding games.
      The fact that the battery is a massive 4100 mAh massive helps a lot too and the camera is "decent" for the price as well. Not the best, but certainly a hell of a lot better than any other cheap phones I've owned before.

    2. Re:Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by smylingsam · · Score: 1

      I am looking to replace my roomate's ailing ZTE Axom . How well does the Nokia 2 run mission critical apps like facebook and messenger, plenty of fish, wattpad, amazon kindle. craigs list , aol and simple games like "cut the rope" ? Its that 1gb that worries me.

    3. Re:Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It cost $100 bucks.

      It cost 100 dollars bucks?

    4. Re:Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself, just picked up a Nokia 6.1 to investigate as possible replacement for my Nokia N8 which is bound to fail one day. Still playing with the 6.1, and working with userspace app to run debian on android without rooting the phone.

      Only annoyance so far is that latest Android builds seem to have disabled Wifi-direct, so it's not easy to export display to my TV. Still working to find a useful solution.

    5. Re:Nokia 2 is unlocked, unsure if it's the _best_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The free slot should support a microSD card.

  20. If it doesn't run Lineage, skip it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If it doesn't run Lineage, then it's going to have a horribly out of date and branded Android. Read the supported devices wiki.

  21. Fairphone 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlocked, open, runs Android, Lineage, Sailfish,...

    1. Re:Fairphone 2 by DevConcepts · · Score: 1

      >Delivery in Continental Europe and UK only

      Which sucks, I would already have one if it was available in the US.

  22. Define "Unlocked" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlocked can mean:

    1) Unlocked to a carrier
    2) Unlocked boot loader
    3) Both

    Having and unlocked boot loader is really nice if you want to run LineageOS or similar system.

    1. Re:Define "Unlocked" by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Unlocked to a carrier. Obviously.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    2. Re:Define "Unlocked" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All phones are unlocked to a carrier, you buy them on the web or even in a physical store (not from a carrier) and they're unlocked to a carrier since it's the default state.

  23. XCover 4 by MobileC · · Score: 1

    Just works.

    --

    Fran
    :):):)
    1st 1st Poster of the new Millennium!

  24. damn slashdot by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

    I forgot that this site eats less-than symbols. The above should've read "Apple is also pretty much your only choice if you want a less-than 5" display without compromising horribly on the camera and CPU. Even Sony's latest so-called compact phone has fallen victim to the "bigger is better" design mentality."

    --

    ---
    DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    1. Re:damn slashdot by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1, Insightful

      hint to the /. devs (if any), in JS,

      var newtext = text.replace(/<(\s)/g, "&lt;$1").replace(/>(\s)/g, "&gt;$1");

      that would prevent the <br> etc... to be changed, and would work for most posts as long as posters add a space after the <>s.

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    2. Re:damn slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think /. is advanced enough to run JS?

      <<CAP === 'undoing'>>

    3. Re:damn slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eat this /. < >

      &lt; &gt; HTML entities FTW

      But not (&cent;), or (&#60;) and (&#62;) for some untold reason.

    4. Re:damn slashdot by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Well, in Perl
      $text =~ s/<(\s)/&lt;$1/g;
      $text =~ s/>(\s)/&gt;$1/g;

      --
      Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
  25. I'm not sure if I understand the question correctl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in India now and every phone here is unlocked. So not sure what you mean by what's the best unlocked phone. Basically if you're asking what's the best phone, then this is my opinion. I've been long time user of iPhones but ever since they went on the path of $1000 phones, I moved to OnePlus. Am very happy. Super fast charging and great speed overall. Here the market is now flooded with sub-$200 phones which are mostly good, difference being clean OS vs default apps, photo quality and battery life. Almost every phone is dual SIM.

  26. Android One Moto X4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Moto X4 sold by Google for the Project Fi is fantastic. You can get it for around $250. Bootloader is unlocked and the phone can be used in any carrier.

    1. Re:Android One Moto X4 by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      If you're looking for value then G6+ is hard to beat. Looks and feels like a flagship but costs like a burner (nearly...)

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  27. Re:Android One Moto X4 is not 1st world phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something in the 1st world, my dear.

  28. Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    I've found that there's no appreciable difference between the Moto G5/G6 than the Pixel, with the sole exeption being the screen and camera. The screen, doesn't matter a whole lot, the OLED is a nice bump up, but the camera, you cannot fix or overlook a camera if your phone is your main camera.
     
    I freaking hate paying more than I have to for a phone, I would just carry an old Moto G4 to do facebook and whatsapp, but the camera on it is garbage. The camera on the Pixel however is top notch, every photo comes out absolutely perfect every time. It's magic. If your memories don't matter to you then yeah, get a cheap phone, but if they do, don't skimp the extra $200 for a good camera on your phone.

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
    1. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Pixel 2 is without headphone jack?

      For memories, I remember times that stuck out thanks to the music that went out the analog output of a computer (PC or phone), even if no photos were taken.

    2. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      If your memories don't matter to you then yeah, get a cheap phone

      If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera. It does make a difference you know. I wouldn't get too worked about about a phone camera, even the best. Just get something serviceable. I have a prosumer DSLR for serious photos and the phone to cover off that memory thing. You can get great pictures out of both, but the DSLR is so much better there is just no comparison. Can't be explained in mere words to someone who hasn't tried it. Borrow one and try it, then you will chill about phone cameras. Truth: after a few thousand DSLR shots, your phone shots will magically get better. Most of what makes a good photo isn't the camera, it's the photographer.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    3. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera.

      [...]

      Most of what makes a good photo isn't the camera, it's the photographer.

      Do you even listen to yourself?

      Everyone knows you can take amazing photos with modern smartphones. You can save your bullshit hyperbole about "if you care about your memories" -- give me a fucking break. There are people taking better photos with an iphone than you'll ever take with your DSLR.

    4. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heavy HDR in that. You've got a nice piece of art not a photo.

    5. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera.

      Yeah - however the best camera in the world is the one you have with you. If you're not carrying the separate camera then it's no good to anyone, and that's the ultimate problem with them. I love my SLR, but it also weighs a ton in comparison, gives me backache if I carry it around all day so I only do it when I really mean it. My Pixel 2 is always with me and takes great pictures whenever.

    6. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Heavy HDR in that. You've got a nice piece of art not a photo.

      They do a lot of weird tricks in phone cameras to improve image quality. But that seems reasonable for most people. You want to remember an event, not the precise shade of the sky. I have and use both a DSLR and a cheap cellphone. If I just want to remember something, the cellphone is fine. If I want a high quality image, then I use the DSLR, and shoot RAW. Lots of times, though, the cellphone does the job, so why not use it? It's in my pocket, that's convenient. I don't carry my DSLR when I'm on a bike ride, but I do still carry my cell.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      If you must buy a Pixel, don't get one from Google's Project FI

      I have five phones from Google (2 nexus, 3 pixel) and was one of their biggest fanbois, primarily because they put out crapware free phones.

      I currently have two broken FI pixels (broken hardware) and one working one. (along with a couple of Nexus phones).

      Still paying on the three pixels, all are under the (extra cost/month) hardware assurance plan.

      I can't get them fixed despite paying the extra hardware assurance simply because i put a TMO sim in them instead of a FI sim (doesn't void warranty or anything, just doesn't register in their system then, and they can't get past that). I eventually wound up purchasing lower end Samsungs just so the kids had phones and have largely given up fighting with them over this.

      I'm done with FI, and likely done with Google's hardware as well. At least if i buy cheap off brands i know better than to expect actual resolution to issues.

      --
      --- Mercutio was right.
    8. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Spamalope · · Score: 2

      Exactly. I've got my phone with me all the time. My DSLRs are heavy, especially if I've brought a lens selection. Thus the cliche 'the best camera is the one with you'. I love trick lighting photography and I'll always use a DSLR for that, but cell phone cameras have come so far they're producing good quality lots of the time.

    9. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 1

      If you must buy a Pixel, don't get one from Google's Project FI

      I have five phones from Google (2 nexus, 3 pixel) and was one of their biggest fanbois, primarily because they put out crapware free phones.

      I currently have two broken FI pixels (broken hardware) and one working one. (along with a couple of Nexus phones).

      Still paying on the three pixels, all are under the (extra cost/month) hardware assurance plan.

      I can't get them fixed despite paying the extra hardware assurance simply because i put a TMO sim in them instead of a FI sim (doesn't void warranty or anything, just doesn't register in their system then, and they can't get past that). I eventually wound up purchasing lower end Samsungs just so the kids had phones and have largely given up fighting with them over this.

      I'm done with FI, and likely done with Google's hardware as well. At least if i buy cheap off brands i know better than to expect actual resolution to issues.

      So apparently I can avoid your situation by buying a Pixel3 XL from Google's Project Fi (when the Pixel3 XL is available) and putting a Project Fi SIM card in it. Thanks.

    10. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Yeah - however the best camera in the world is the one you have with you.

      I've had some pretty crap cameras with me, completely incapable of capturing the priceless image I know I could have gotten with a real one. Sure, you will get lots of good photos with a phone, I have plenty of great ones. But what I can do with a DSLR is way beyond.

      Let's try an anology that might work on a coding nerd (like me). You know how PHP programmers are completely convinced they have mastered the field? It's like that with phone cameras.

      If you're not carrying the separate camera then it's no good to anyone, and that's the ultimate problem with them.

      Which was the last hollywood blockbuster shot on a cell phone? Oh wait, they use big, heavy professional cameras. Maybe they are stupid?

      I love my SLR, but it also weighs a ton in comparison, gives me backache if I carry it around all day so I only do it when I really mean it.

      I usually carry my 5D in a holster, it's a reasonable compromise, it comes out of the bag almost as fast as a pocket camera. Usually you know when you are going to have great photo ops, right? Probably not at the office. Probably at the office party (but be careful what you shoot).

      If you are getting a backache from carrying a DSLR in a backpack then you need to examine your backpack, and most probably your lifestyle, something is wrong.

      My Pixel 2 is always with me and takes great pictures whenever.

      Mine too, but way too often it just make me sad to know what I missed because I did not have the equipment to capture the image I wanted.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    11. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      If I have both a phone and a DSLR with me, I always use the DSLR. Why is that?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    12. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which one you personally chose is completely irrelevant, but I would guess that it's mostly because you're very familiar with the DSLR, prefer the ergonomics of single-purpose dedicated device, and likely want the better glass. Other than that... beats me. I feel very obtrusive when I whip out the big box with the long lens, and it intimidates people. The only way it's even useful at all for candids is by utilizing the considerable telephoto capability.

    13. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I've had zero issues with Project Fi, nor has anyone I work with or met who has Fi (200+ people). Sorry you had such a bad experience.

      --
      moox. for a new generation.
    14. Re:Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend has an SLR. The only time in three years it has left the box was for an hour at her brother's wedding.
       
      There's a lot to be said about one touch push to [ social media platform of your choice ]. I want the memory, I want good quality, but I am not going to haul around a camera based on 1930s era philosophy on camera technology.
       
      I used to be big in to cameras, I still have two 35mm SLRs, worked in a darkroom, etc. I just don't have the time or space for a hobby like that. I get no value hauling around a great big nerd box on my neck anymore. It's not practical. I'm glad it works for you, but the photos, selfies, landscapes etc, every single photo I take that I get out of my Pixel are better than 95% of the photos I see on facebook. That's good enough for me.
       
      I get it, there's a law of diminshing returns on camera hardware, and while I'm at the 98th percentil, with that $1500 DSLR I could get to the 99th percentile, but, you know, I've never been to a bar, I've been sailing THREE times in ten years where someone on board had a DSLR, and the photos weren't that much better, with the exception of the telephoto lens. Not worth it.

      --
      moox. for a new generation.
    15. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Which one you personally chose is completely irrelevant...

      Rubbish. This is true of pretty much anybody carrying a DSLR. You use the DSLR because it is a beast. Same reason you drive a race car on the track, not a Camry.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    16. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The only way it's even useful at all for candids is by utilizing the considerable telephoto capability.

      So you can't shoot from the hip? After a couple hundred thousand DSLR shots it became second nature for me. It's far from the only option. Always keeping in mind proper respect for the subject of source.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    17. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I feel very obtrusive when I whip out the big box with the long lens, and it intimidates people.

      And one more thing... what is not intimidating about waving a cell phone in somebody's face? What is candid about that? To be honest, candid is a bit creepy. I also review with the subject after and invite them to delete if there's an issue.

      Intimidating with a big camera is a real thing. It tends to evaporate a few shots in, assuming decent people skills. Otherwise, it's a situation I don't want to be in and will more than happily disengage from. Usually, camera shyness flips to exactly the opposite after seeing the first review image.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    18. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And yet, the vast majority of the time, you're driving on the street, and the Camry would be the MUCH better choice. Even if it can't merge onto the highway quite as effortlessly, it can still hit 60 mph in under 6 seconds, and relatively easily exceed the fastest posted speed limits in most developed countries, at least if you get the V6 model rather than saying "don't worry about it" and going with a 78HP Mitsubishi Mirage instead..

      This sort of "if you care about driving, get a Formula 1 car" attitude is rather puzzling.

    19. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair enough. A professional looking camera definitely does attract a certain category of people, usually attention seekers, immediately, and often others will warm up to it because they'll assume, or gain confidence, that the person behind such an expensive camera will be able to take great photos of them and make them feel worthy of being photographed. Whether this is due to the equipment, or the level of experience and expertise the operator is likely to possess seems to matter less.
      That mostly applies to more formal situations and events though. For day to day memories and the little things, phones are so ubiquitous that they're almost invisible to many people so may have a much less profound effect on the situation than something more conspicuous. As such, if you've got one that takes very good photos, you're at an immediate advantage. There have been some truly absolutely crap cameras on phones. Just think back to flip phone cameras... ick! I don't care how good a photographer one is, those things were so worthless as to make you better off without one at all. So my advice to most people is, get the phone with the best camera you can find, and don't be afraid to use it any time a potential shot catches your eye. If you have an actual interest in photography, do still get a dedicated camera too, and learn, practice, and use it where appropriate, but don't completely discount that quite good camera you now have in your pocket pretty much everywhere you go. (Also, always turn the phone to landscape orientation except under special circumstances that call for a tall rather than wide photo, and for goodness sake, never record a video without rotating to landscape). I think the majority of people would benefit from that sort of advice much more than just "If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera." Some people still care about memories but don't have the time or interest to get serious about photography, others just love the convenience even if the best phone cameras are still lacking in ergonomics and certain features (like manual aperture).

    20. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      And yet, the vast majority of the time, you're driving on the street, and the Camry would be the MUCH better choice.

      You have no idea what I drive, I can assure you it is not a Camry :)

      OK, you think a Camry is a great car and a phone is a great camera. I see the pattern.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    21. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      for goodness sake, never record a video without rotating to landscape

      Strongly disagree. Shoot video in the orientation that suits the situation, just like stills. Changing the orientation in post processing is trivial.

      I think the majority of people would benefit from that sort of advice much more than just "If your memories matter to you that much then get a real camera."

      To restate, a mediocre camera, which is the only possible description for even the best phone camera, is perfectly fine for an Eiffel Tower selfie, but pathetic for a wedding, even if you are not the official photographer. You will miss tons of great shots with a phone, never mind the quality.

      Some people still care about memories but don't have the time or interest to get serious about photography

      Some people think that a Camry is a great car. I avoid discussing cars with them. I also don't disparage people for having no skill or talent for photography, but if somebody styles themselves a photographer, even amateur, that changes things. Let's not have more nonsense about how a phone is as good a camera as a high end DSLR, or even a Rebel.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    22. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, perhaps you demand "the best" of everything, all the time, even if there are often some extremely inconvenient or expensive trade offs involved (like lugging around a big, bulky, and expensive DSLR everywhere). I see the pattern.

      As for the rest of us, normal people... I don't own a Camry either, but by objective measures, the Camry actually _is_ a very good car. 300HP comfortable and safe family sedan with decent gas mileage, low maintenance costs, and great resale value. The fact that smaller, larger, faster, flashier, better handling, or more fuel efficient cars _exist_ (the best of which cost multiples of the price tag; and many have significant trade-offs) doesn't really change that.

      I'll get from point a to point b quickly and efficiently, and still have fun when I want to. In daily traffic I'll usually take my "boring" and comfortable car, and on the weekend I'll drive the fun car. Just like I keep a very capable camera in my pocket daily, but when I plan to visit a scenic location or attend an important event, I'll bring my DSLR. At this point I could probably even get by pretty well without the DSLR just like I could get by without the fun car. Once you really get to "good enough," anything beyond that is icing. Low end phone cameras aren't good enough, but the best ones now are.

    23. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... "changing the orientation in post processing" means you're usually ether cutting off a significant percentage of the video area and zooming, or you're just filling the sides with black or zoomed edge, or cutesy image side bars. Even if that's trivial, it's usually terrible, except in the corner case of something like an event video that uses the portrait-orientated video as just a component of the on-screen presentation. You might marginally have a point about using the orientation that fits the situation, but for video I'd still argue that landscape is almost always the better choice, as that is how video is nearly always displayed, except in cases like the above. To paraphrase your response to another poster: "Which was the last Hollywood blockbuser filmed in portrait? Maybe they are stupid?"

      You also provide essentially zero evidence that the camera on an S9+ or iPhone X or Pixel 2 XL is inadequate, while other posters link to hundreds of examples of rather impressive photos produced by those cameras, some of which I'd be hard pressed to find any way a DSLR would have meaningfully improved the result, unless you want to be able to enlarge the photo dramatically. Granted, not every photo is perfect, but I've taken some really crap photos with a DSLR at times too. That just goes back to your original, and somewhat contradictory, point about how "...a good photo isn't the camera, it's the photographer." It might have been somewhat easier to get the shot, for someone who is accustomed to a DSLR, but they might have also missed the entire opportunity if the DSLR wasn't practical. I've seen some gorgeous sunsets, or amazing flower blooms, or unexpected events even on the way home from work, and no I'm not going to be carrying my DSLR into work every day, nor leaving it in a hot car. Hence, better phone camera means I get a good to very good shot versus no shot at all.

    24. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      "Which was the last Hollywood blockbuser filmed in portrait? Maybe they are stupid?"

      I'm not Hollywood. I have gigantic, high res monitors (dirt cheap these days). So I shoot video in the orientation that best suits the subject, simple. I'm also not hidebound by tradition.

      When changing orientation I don't "fill" with anything, that's the job of the player if necessary. The world does not consistent solely of movie screens.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    25. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You also provide essentially zero evidence that the camera on an S9+ or iPhone X or Pixel 2 XL is inadequate, while other posters link to hundreds of examples of rather impressive photos produced by those cameras

      They look so great in a jpeg in a browser, don't they? This subject has been hashed to death, it's not for me to go through all the points again, and I'd miss a bunch. Just one: let's see you shoot raw on a phone at 6-10 frames/second like any passable DSLR can do. Without that, you're going to miss a lot of shots.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    26. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back to the old "F1 car, or nothing" I guess.

    27. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'm done. Confirmed troll with that "I'm not Hollywood" comment, which is a direct contradiction of your own argument against jareth-0205.
      Have fun ramming that DSLR in your pants in order take it everywhere you go so you'll always have a camera that can take actual "photos," since no phone camera could possibly ever be capable of doing that. Maybe the other AC will chime in, but I doubt it since this post has rolled off.

    28. Re: Skip ahead to the Pixel, even if it costs more by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Bye Felicia

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  29. One plus 3T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a One plus 3T and I am very happy about it. Good battery life, regular updates, no bloatware. I don't know about the newer One plusses tho, they seem a bit.. too big, too premium.

    Also my mom has a Xiaomi, she is also very happy with it. Whether the Chinese or the NSA read everything, who cares.

     

    1. Re:One plus 3T by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      I felt the same way.

      I had a OnePlus one, then reluctantly upgraded to the 5.

      I'm glad I did. The new features are useful and it's the last iteration before they moved the fingerprint to the back in favor of a notch and full screen...

      I will not be getting another OnePlus until they remove the notch and put the fingerprint back on the front of the phone...

      I hate these stupid notches and back panel fingerprint readers, so dumb.

    2. Re:One plus 3T by jbrown.za · · Score: 1

      I have a OnePlus 5 and I'm very happy with it. Great value for money ...

    3. Re:One plus 3T by jools33 · · Score: 1

      I have the oneplus 5T - and its very good value. Fast, good screen, good battery life, dual sim, metal back.

  30. Purism Librem 5 by Qbertino · · Score: 0

    https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

    Best Option. It's pre-order, so you'll have to wait a bit, but the wait is probably worth it.

    You're welcome.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re: Purism Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're suggesting a phone that you haven't even tried?

    2. Re: Purism Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only feature in that video is that it doesn't track you. A potato won't track you either. Of course the browser will still use cookies, phone networks will still have access to your calls, data and location... So really you're paying 599 for something that offers very little. It's a scam.

    3. Re: Purism Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True.
      Nonetheless, I haven't given google my phone number and date of birth and names. Doubtless, people have my first name and phone number in their contacts book and automatically uploaded that to google.
      There's some value.
      If you live in the US and the phone carrier sells your calls data and 2G/3G/4G location data to everybody, sure. You are fucked. (but can switch the modem off)

    4. Re: Purism Librem 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always up to date for the phone's entire life because all drivers and software are open source. AND a replaceable battery. Basically just like a PC: only replace if broken or too slow for your needs.

  31. People still buy locked phones? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    I thought that wasn't a thing any more. Don't tell me people still fall for that subsidized phone scam.

    --
    When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    1. Re:People still buy locked phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they could fall for some "outsider" "businessman" to vote for him to become president of the U.S., then they are gullible enough to fall for 'that subsidized phone scam', too.

  32. Define what you are looking for exactly. by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Good user experience" is very subjective, and very "how I use the phone!" specific.

    Not everyone is looking for the same thing in a phone.

    For instance, a recent purchase I made from ebay is a modified Motorola Photon Q.

    Normally, this phone is incapable of accepting a SIM card, and is locked to Sprint. However, a simple hardware mod removes the baked on SIM module, and attaches a push-push sim card slot instead.

    After that, and enabling carrier unlocking, it will accept any sim, even international.

    Why bother? It is the most modern phone with a slide-out keyboard. If you use your phone for more than just making calls (you would be surprised how useful being able to jam on an SSH session while on the go can be) then this kind of mod is damn handy, and not being stuck 6 years in the past as far as android is concerned (Did I mention this bad-boy supports LineageOS? :P) and having a fairly decent hardware package along with that swanky keyboard is fan fucking tastic--- If you are into that kind of thing..

    If all you want is to poke at facebook, post photos to instagram, or do all that social media shit-- you will want a more mainstream phone.

    So, again-- what EXACTLY are you looking for in a phone?

    1. Re:Define what you are looking for exactly. by williamyf · · Score: 1

      If you want slide out landscape keyboard, you should take a look at the MotoZ play with a Livermorium Slide-out keyboard MotoMod.

      I do not know if it supports LineageOS, but the ShaterShield screen will add enhanced durability to the package...

      --
      *** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
  33. Or, you know, just buy a camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why get hung up on your phone's camera? Buy a camera if you want a camera.

    I hate phones, but love cameras. I own cameras. And some p.o.s. thing a phone company gave me that makes phone calls.

  34. Good luck putting that in your pocket... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A phone, I have with me all the time. A nice camera I only carry when I know I'm deliberately going to take photos of an outing or event, etc. Unfortunately, some of the best photo opportunities pop up unexpectedly. No I'm not going to carry a huge DSLR everywhere I go just in case. As such, having a really quite good camera on my mobile is extremely beneficial!

  35. Xiaomi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xiaomi make nice phones at high quality. I cut out the middle man and buy direct from China

  36. Most phones are unlocked by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    If you buy your phone cash, without going through your carrier, it should be unlocked.
    There are some caveats. For example some Samsung phones require you to activate your phone with a SIM card from the country you bought it from, and only then, it is usable worldwide. Also you need to check that the frequencies your phone supports match the one your country use.

    Now if you are talking about bootloader unlock, for installing custom ROMs, I suggest you take a look at xda-developers.com. A lot of flagship phones are, as long as you bought the off carrier, but you still need to check. You may also lose some functionality, like Android Pay or Samsung Knox, and the warranty policies differ.

  37. you didn't mention S6 by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    My Samsung S6 was $500 and it works great. As always: Fuck Apple

  38. This will likely help by skam240 · · Score: 1

    I'm playing with the idea of buying a new phone and found this when I was checking phones out online about a week ago.

    https://www.tomsguide.com/us/b...

    Tom's has been around forever and as far as I know is still pretty reputable in regards to its recommendations.

    --
    I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
  39. V30 is least bad phone I know of. by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

    Used V30's in great condition can be had for well under 500. Headphone jack, works with sd card, fits in a proper goddamn case. The main flaw is that the screen is absolutely disgraceful when dim and showing contiguous colors. It's blotchy and has so many gridlines it looks like a spreadsheet. Literally the worst oled screen I've ever seen. Other major flaw is that security updates will likely be abandoned sooner rather than later. Also they're apparently too stupid to know people might want a flashlight widget.

  40. You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "...the DSLR is so much better there is just no comparison"
    "Most of what makes a good photo isn't the camera, it's the photographer."

    I used to agree with the first statement, and went through multiple DSLRs over the years, but frankly, the best phone cameras today (i.e. Pixel 2XL, iPhone X, Galaxy S9+) can take some pretty AMAZING photos. Seriously. In direct comparisons any of those three can just about beat my previous DSLR under a variety of conditions (not just in bright light), and even my latest DSLR is no longer "so much better that there's just no comparison." The phone can actually hold its own pretty well, from an output perspective.
      On PC or tablet screen sized images I can't reliably tell which is which from studying the photos, nor say for sure which image is actually "better."
    Of course for flexibility, glass, and pixel-peeping performance a DSLR is still ahead, but we're rapidly approaching a point where pixel-peeping is becoming essentially irrelevant, and convenience outweighs flexibility for the VAST majority of amateur photographers. You can even shoot RAW with Lightroom CC on mobile, or a variety of other apps.

    1. Re: You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly the advantage of dslrs is the lenses. Any other discussion is moronic.

      I was shooting insects at 2 meters in such high detail it blew my mind recently. Parts of insects I didn't know existed. Obviously all the glass. Maybe you can just get your phone camera up next to a flying insect and give that a go.

    2. Re: You contradict yourself by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Clearly the advantage of dslrs is the lenses. Any other discussion is moronic

      Comment is moronic. Lenses are a huge part, but far from the whole story. Shutter speed control. Iris. Actual control over focus. Capacity. Speed. Sensor (yes, a DSLR sensor is different from a phone sensor!). Flash control. Remote flash. Just scratching the surface. It's a huge rich world, that a phone camera only lets you visit as a tourist.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    3. Re: You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know the funny thing. Film photography purists were making some fairly similar statements about how digital cameras were merely toys and you need a "real" (film) camera for anything serious, not all that long ago... You obviously aren't all that familiar with modern smartphone photography. Not to mention, with recent mirrorless cameras even starting to _supersede_ DSLRs these days, the differences are less and less, apart from the actual glass. The sensor is "different" mostly in size (DSLRs do use larger sensors).

      To explain further, you now CAN trigger remote flash with a phone, you CAN have actual control over focus, and you CAN adjust shutter speed, etc. Just not always with the default built-in camera app. Manual aperture is one missing component, but the camera software is now so fricking good that with just a single or dual aperture, you can get essentially the exact same result (in the finished photos).

      Take a gander here and here and here for hundreds of examples. Many of those I could have sworn were produced by a high-end DSLR if I didn't already know otherwise.

    4. Re: You contradict yourself by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, with recent mirrorless cameras even starting to _supersede_ DSLRs these days

      Few professionals are packing mirrorless as of today. When Canon introduces a mirrorless camera in its one digit series then I will look at giving up my pentaprism. Until then, mirrorless is a pretender, not the champ. Full frame sensor is another story, as are the shutter, iris and flash shoe. It goes on. Even the weight and grip of the camera is a thing. With a nice camera you can frame many shots passably well just by feel, not even looking through the viewfinder or display. Try that with a phone. Really, try it.

      you now CAN trigger remote flash with a phone, you CAN have actual control over focus, and you CAN adjust shutter speed

      A Poodle CAN walk on its hind legs. Even zoom on a phone is pure crap compared to a physical ring. Take a look at a press scrum and count the number of photogs shooting with cell phones. Right.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    5. Re: You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, now we're talking about "few" professionals, while essentially the entire discussion was centered on individuals who value their ability to photographically record key moments and other prompts for their memories. The contention was they should "get a real camera" and barely even worry about the whether the one on their phone is even passable or not. I still disagree with that premise.
      As several posters have pointed out, many (perhaps at this point, most) people have their phones with them nearly everywhere they go, and it's usually not practical to lug around even a small sling with a single DSLR camera and a single all-purpose lens mounted on it, to many of those places. Certainly not for the casual photographer.

      Now all that having been said, I actually had my teenage daughter learn on a black and white FSLR (an Elan 7, because it was handy). Burning actual film really makes you think before shooting, and B&W forces you to think more about the composition than just looking for colors that might make an image pop. Step from there to a DSLR for the instant feedback, and then you're ready to experiment with the abilities and limitations of a good quality phone camera, when the opportunity arises and that's what you have on you (which frankly, is most of the time). Thus I contend that you _should_ pay attention to the quality of the camera on a phone, if you care about that sort of thing at all. Get the best one you can afford, because for most people, that's what the majority of your photographed memories will end up being captured with, regardless of whether you might or might not have gotten a better shot with huge DSLR that you left at home. Just saying "get a real camera" misses all that nuance.

    6. Re: You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, now we're talking about "few" professionals, while essentially the entire discussion was centered on individuals who value their ability to photographically record key moments and other prompts for their memories. The contention was they should "get a real camera" and barely even worry about the whether the one on their phone is even passable or not. I still disagree with that premise.
      As several posters have pointed out, many (perhaps at this point, most) people have their phones with them nearly everywhere they go, and it's usually not practical to lug around even a small sling with a single DSLR camera and a single all-purpose lens mounted on it, to many of those places. Certainly not for the casual photographer.

      Now all that having been said, I actually had my teenage daughter learn on a black and white FSLR (an Elan 7, because it was handy). Burning actual film really makes you think before shooting, and B&W forces you to think more about the composition than just looking for colors that might make an image pop. Step from there to a DSLR for the instant feedback, and then you're ready to experiment with the abilities and limitations of a good quality phone camera, when the opportunity arises and that's what you have on you (which frankly, is most of the time). Thus I contend that you _should_ pay attention to the quality of the camera on a phone, if you care about that sort of thing at all. Get the best one you can afford, because for most people, that's what the majority of your photographed memories will end up being captured with, regardless of whether you might or might not have gotten a better shot with huge DSLR that you left at home. Just saying "get a real camera" misses all that nuance.

      You seem to be hunting desperately for some contradiction that helps you believe phones are better cameras than they are. I consider high end mirrorless cameras to be be exactly that, decent cameras. Not great cameras. I wouldn't willingly hobble myself with one. I am into flash photography among other things and mirrorless just doesn't make it. My 5D does mirrorless and I use it, but not when I'm trying for quality. Maybe for some stills it could possibly reduce shutter shock but I haven't perceived it as an issue. Maybe the 5D just doesn't have much, or maybe I need to ascend to the next skill level before it bothers me.

      I started my kid on the DSLR I outgrew. There is no reason to inflict the cruelty of film on a child. They learn faster by a multiple when they can take 100 times as many shots.

    7. Re: You contradict yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be grasping at straws for any excuse to completely discount the (actually very good, all things considered) cameras found on top tier phones these days. Of course it's going to be a bit of a compromise given the size and weight limitations, so they need to use specialized components and clever software to massage the data such that the end result is strikingly similar to what a "real" camera can produce.

      The main point that everyone keeps repeatedly making, and that a much smaller subset of people continue to ignore is that _it is absolutely NOT feasible for the average person to carry a DSLR everywhere they go_, like they can and do with a phone. That being the case, it's pretty hard to argue against the assertion that it makes sense to look for the best quality phone camera you can find. After all, it's going to be the camera that's with you all... the... time, so it should be as good as it can be. Even if you argue that the iPhone X, Pixel 2 xl, and Galaxy S9+ cameras are "crap," they are still a hell of a lot better than the cameras found on cheap phones, so it's not really even strictly necessary for me to argue that "phones are better cameras than they are." It's only required to establish that going with a high end phone can result in better photos. Frankly, that's a given, so I don't even understand what there is to argue about. Now, I do happen to believe that the latest gen high end phone cameras are pretty amazing. If someone had told me just 3-5 years ago that it was even _possible_ to compare shots taken with a phone camera to equivalent prosumer DSLR shots, favorably, I would have said they were crazy. That's where we are today though, and both phone and mirrorless cameras are innovating markedly faster than DSLRs, eventually pushing DSLRs even further toward the high end, where only professionals venture.

  41. 3 unlocked out of 6 total by shanen · · Score: 1

    Actually, I had a seventh phone that was supposed to be a smartphone, but I beg to differ. Some kind of Microsoft OS, though I count myself fortunate to have forgotten the details now. About 10 or 15 years ago?

    My own experiences with Huawei have been quite good, and my primary phone right now is a rather low-end and unlocked Huawei. Perhaps my expectations are too low, but the p10 lite seems to be doing everything I want and doing them well enough. Slightly complicated in that it's a limited data plan and I use a lot of WiFI, but still quite serviceable. Too soon to rate it #1?

    Second best would be an older Huawei, also a low-end model, but locked. Some of my satisfaction may have been due to the carrier, but they got bought out because of their quality service.

    Almost forgot the unlocked FreeTel, but I don't think that's an option now. Company was bought out by Rakuten. Medium low specs, but still quite good and currently my secondary phone, mostly for VoIP and PDA stuff. Only WiFi data now. Main annoyance is that it sometimes wants a reboot when the network has changed.

    Close fourth was a Samsung Galaxy. Much higher specs and I used a few of the fancier capabilities, though not that much when I think back on it now. Locked and the real reason I rate it down here is probably the low quality of the services from that carrier. I endured them for 4 years that time around... Fool me twice, shame on me, and it was probably my third or fourth shame going back decades. It's just so hard to avoid the biggest carrier?

    I'd put the presumably locked HTC as fifth and a big step down, but maybe some of that was due to my lack of experience? It was my first actual smartphone and I'm pert' shure I didn't know what I was doing.

    Dead last goes to an unlocked ASUS which was a painful experience in many ways from the very beginning. It's still sitting unopened in the box they shipped it back in after the second round of repairs.

    Anecdotal evidence, but I'm usually willing to share notes...

    --
    Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
  42. Xperia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Xperia series is hands down the best on the market. It's a complete mystery to me why they're not more popular.

    1. Re:Xperia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not more popular? 3 reasons ... sony, Sony & SONY!

  43. Motorola V120 flip phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Motorola V120 flip phone. It has a helicopter game but most of the tracking software don't exist on this phone.

    20 days of battery if you don't game.

  44. The one in the trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why do you need a smart phone?

    I use my smart phone to:

    - Call people in the address book on the device
    - Avoid logging into social media or use it for browsing because tracking/privacy
    - Maps are neat
    - Alarm Clock

    4/4 of these things I don't need a smart phone for. Why do you need a smartphone?

    1. Re:The one in the trash by tepples · · Score: 1

      Restaurant rewards programs and TOTP authentication are two perks of having a smartphone that I don't see how to replicate with a fixed-function basic cell phone or a laptop. And how does Firefox for Android differ in terms of "tracking/privacy" from Firefox for GNU/Linux, Windows, or macOS?

  45. The LG V30+ is a Great Phone for less than $500 by 0ryn · · Score: 1

    I've had mine now for 6 months and it just works very well, it's dual sim, designed for world market.
    The only bad thing I have to say about it is that it won't do wifi calling and VoLTE in the UK due to not having UK firmware available.
    It's one of the few phones that bluetooth just works. Samsungs just fall over with bluetooth.
    People seem to complain about the screen but I have had no problems with mine, the dual camera works great for wide angle shots. It has inductive charging and USB-C fast charge form 10% to full in about 1hour 30.
    Audio is very good and it seems to find a usable signal where other phones don't.
    Ebay has them from $300 to $600.

  46. The V20 is better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one and love it. Basically this is "the last good Android phone ever made" from a features perspective. Every other Android phone since is just a cheap attempt to copy the iPhone.

  47. It depends on your definition of best. by devslash0 · · Score: 1

    What do you consider qualities of the best phone? What do you need it to be able to do? Hardware-wise phones have become pretty similar. It's just the manufactures who would like us to believe differently so they can use numbers to confuse our evaluation/purchasing process.

    It also depends on where you live. In the EU, most countries offer an easy way to remove SIM lock so any phone can become unlocked. You may still end up being bound in a contract but hey, technically your phone will be unlocked.

    You may also consider another type of unlocking - rooting. Although most phones these days can be easily rooted, there are some which still resist the process or which hackers consider not worth their time or attention.

    For me - a person who doesn't use social media or Google software and who writes his own apps - any phone with a 6" screen and decent battery life will do.

    1. Re:It depends on your definition of best. by xystren · · Score: 1

      For me, it is physical keyboard - that pretty much limits it down to a BlackBerry... I've got the KeyOne, which I love the hardware - don't really like Android when compared to BB10. But as far as I'm concerned, physical keyboard is the only way.

  48. Moto G[X] by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >"What's the best unlocked smartphone?"

    You will have to define what you mean by "best"? Cheapest? Fastest? Most features? Best built? Let's try for cheapest with the maximum features...

    My last phone was a $350 Nexus 5. I used it for something like 4 YEARS (replacing the battery once). Didn't regret it a bit. But it is kinda irrelevant now, so...

    Now I have a Lenovo/Motorola Moto G5 Plus that I bought in November for $170 at Costco and does almost everything I could want. It is much faster than the Nexus 5, not overly large, yet not stupid thin, has decent battery life, nice screen, is totally unlocked, works on all carriers, has no crapware, the cameras work great (but doesn't try to compete with my professional Sony), has decent sound and functionality, has a real headset jack I can plug into anything, a freaky fast fingerprint sensor on the FRONT where it is easily accessed, and has SD card support so I can have all my music and photos with me. Popped in the T-Mobile SIM card, my SD, added a magnetic USB charger and a gel case, logged in and pulled in the rest of my stuff, loaded Nova Launcher and I was in business! I wish it had an easily serviceable battery and better updates (like to the next version of Android, which was implied but still not delivered), but for $170, I consider it a MAJOR win even if it lasts me only 2 years (it has already been 9 months).

    I told all my friends and family about it, and before they sold out a few months later, mot of them grabbed one and like it a lot. Why anyone would want to buy a $1000 phone, especially every couple of years, is totally beyond my comprehension, unless it is just some stupid fashion statement and they have way more dollars than sense.

    1. Re:Moto G[X] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huge agreement on everything you said in your post. I bought one for my wife to replace the Nexus she'd had for years. It's a great phone and I don't see why anyone would pay more. You need to be able to drop it/have it stolen and be annoyed, not horribly impacted by the replacement cost.

    2. Re:Moto G[X] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redmi Note 4 unlocked off of amazon for $158. Popped some Lineage on there, couldn't be happier.

  49. Try to beat Xiaomi mi 8.. by realdarklink · · Score: 1

    I ordered Xiaomi mi 8 from a chinese website for 361$. specs: SD845, 64GB/6GB RAM, dxomark 99, 6.2 inches SAMOLED with HDR10.

    1. Re:Try to beat Xiaomi mi 8.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want a phone, not a tablet.

    2. Re:Try to beat Xiaomi mi 8.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You order in dollars all the time. You see dollar amounts probably hundreds of times a day. How fucking stupid do you have to be not to know that the dollar sign goes before the amount?

    3. Re:Try to beat Xiaomi mi 8.. by realdarklink · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the fix !sir

  50. One thing to watch out for... by cahuenga · · Score: 1

    ...disabled features. I have an unlocked S7, and for some reason the unlocked model does not have "WiFi Calling".

    The phone co. branded versions of the S7 do, and I'm sure the unlocked phone has the capability but it is not enabled or accessible for some reason.

    1. Re:One thing to watch out for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you think wifi calling works? It's VoIP to your telco's servers. It requires much more configuration than they could possibly ask for from the average person.

    2. Re:One thing to watch out for... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It requires much more configuration than they could possibly ask for from the average person.

      If by "much more configuration," you mean that the telcos could offer that functionality through the installation of a single app, I'm sure you're right.

    3. Re:One thing to watch out for... by dwater · · Score: 1

      It used to be that this sort of functionality was provided via an app produced by the 'telco'...eg, in the UK, O2 had TuGo, and Three had InTouch. They made them mostly useless (to me) since they prevented their use from outside the UK, I suspect for some marketing reason, rather than technical. They also only allowed them for people with contracts, not pay-as-you-go...I resorted to SIP and/or Skype. In the US, I imagine you can use Google Voice which looks very nice (not available in the UK).

      --
      Max.
  51. usa bands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Location is kind of important here. Assume USA right?

    Honor 6/7/8 is missing common American 4g bands. But Honor 10 has them and meets your criteria.

  52. Moto G6 by odinjurkowski · · Score: 0

    Moto G6 is a great phone and the best bang for your buck that I've seen. The $200 - $300 price range seems to be the sweet spot where you can get an awesome Android phone that is neither too cheap nor too expensive. You won't get all the high end features but you won't be frustrated with low performance either. There will always be people that want to spend more or less, but 95% of users would probably be perfectly happy. I bought mine earlier this summer and find the size, storage, display, battery life, camera, and overall experience just right.

  53. I still use my nexus 4 sometimes... by junk · · Score: 1

    I miss being able to hold a phone in one hand and type. I have nexus 4 that I keep updated still. It's not my daily diver because it's underpowered for my current work but it's great when I just need a map and something to stream audio. If I could design a dram phone it'd be a similar size, modern processor, 16G+ storage (I don't keep much) and 3G+ RAM with a headphone jack. That's it. I don't care about screens or cameras (I remove them and leave them with my collection of tinfoil hats, where possible) or of the other frills. Unfortunately for me, I'm not in a target market. Everyone seems to want to give their phone biometric data and keep Bluetooth and NFC running and take selfies so they can face swap with tennis shoes and.... GET OFF MY LAWN!

  54. 920 Dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading / replying right now on a Nokia 920. They are 20-30 bucks on eBay.

  55. Honor 8 by Paul+Neubauer · · Score: 1

    I will not claim it "the best" but I have an Honor 8 and had no problems with it being able to join a network.
    When it comes time to replace it, from what I know now, I'll be giving OnePlus serious consideration at the very least.

    --
    I don't subscribe to RMS's GNUtopian vision.
    1. Re: Honor 8 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I have had two that would not join so far. My wife and son use an Honor 8. Where do you buy them? I was getting them from Amazon but that dried up.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    2. Re: Honor 8 by shanen · · Score: 1

      Considering your role as OP, I wish you would write more clearly...

      Still trying to figure out what sense of "unlocked" you mean, though this comment is evidence in favor of "not locked to a carrier".

      As regards the substance, my ASUS was the only one that had trouble with establishing network connections and I eventually bought the FreeTel to get the voice line on a reliable device. The ASUS was sort of usable with the data-only SIM and WiFi, but I'm standing on my ranking it at the bottom. (The proximate trigger was probably the first trip back to the factory. Later on I had the same kind of screen detachment someone mentioned as affecting a Motorola.)

      However you've reminded me about some problems I had with my very first Huawei device when I was using it on Linux. I'm remembering the driver definition was incorrect in a pretty serious way. Fuzzy after about 10 years, but I think it was categorized incorrectly, and I had to manually edit the file to tell it what kind of device it was. After that it worked correctly, but I was kind of peeved that Huawei had been unable to provide the solution directly. I may have gotten the solution from hacking it out of a Windows box, or someone may have posted it on the Web.

      My conclusion on Huawei was that they are technically solid, follow the standards closely, and their hardware is sound, but you should never rely on them for support. That basically hasn't changed, near as I can tell.

      --
      Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
  56. Apples iPhone SE for $350 from T Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple iPHone SE - from T Mobile, In august 2017 I paid $350 - same specs as newest iPhone but the screen is not as big - totally worth it (it fits in my pocket, the big phone does not) Yes, technically it is locked but after 30 days they will unlock it.

  57. Samsung Galaxy A5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Costco sells the Samsung Galaxy A5 new for well under $500. Nice OLED phone that is unlocked.

  58. Redmi Note 5 Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro is amazing for the price

    https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_...

  59. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  60. Oneplus 6 - Unlocked Bootloader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great phone. Unlocked bootloader - you can root and flash to your heart's content. No band 13 though, so you'd have trouble with verizon if you are in the US market.

  61. Why not stick with what you already have? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > My favorite phone was the Nokia 920 Windows phone for its fluid performance and simplicity and hardware camera button, but that phone is long gone.

    What does "long gone" mean?

    I'm still rockin' my Lumia 640. The few apps I use are more than adequate, and it's still regularly updated[*], despite what MS publicly claims

    [*] https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4316692 is exactly 2 months old today

  62. What's worked for me by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

    Over the last several years, I've opted for a refurbished Samsung S4, then S5, and put LineageOS on them. The results on these have been outstanding, and I paid less than $150 in either case.

  63. Moto G6 by hrieke · · Score: 1

    For my job, the new parent company demanded a bunch of crap that I was not willing to put up with. And since I travel a lot for work anyways, I picked up a second phone just for work.
    I read the reviews over at the Wirecutter and picked up a Moto G6 unlocked from a local BestBuy. While here in the states I run SIM card free, but when I travel I pop in a SIM card and go.
    As far as usability goes, it's okay. I think Google does need to really polish their stuff to Apple's level, but that's my opinion.

    --
    III.IIVIVIXIIVIVIIIVVIIIIXVIIIXIIIIIIIIVIIIIVVIIIV IIVIIIIIIVIII...
  64. How do you do, fellow kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you like to listen to a music band while we converse about our skate contraptions?

  65. Don't get one at all by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Smartphones are more and more a trap and a cancer. Don't get one at all, get cheap basic phone that's good at being a phone and never mind the rest of it. You'll save money on the phone, you'll save money on the wireless plan, and you'll maybe save your life by not being distracted by the thing when you're driving or even walking for that matter.

    1. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      there are other important things a smartphone will do for working adult that a mere telephone cannot.

      1. work and personal calendar of meetings and appointments, and option to view them integrated

      2. ability to vpn and ssh into a server to fix it during emergency

      3. multifactor authentication with one step being smartphone based is mandatory at my job

      4. transit system bus and train actual arrival and departure tracking in my city

      5. price comparisons with other stores while shopping (which sometimes includes barcode and qr code scanner)

    2. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      and the camera, great for quickly getting serial numbers of back and off components inside server or to record which server network jacks are in use prior to move

    3. Re:Don't get one at all by tepples · · Score: 1

      Items 1, 2, and 4 can be done with a laptop through a native or web-based calendar app, native SSH, and the website of the bus or train operator respectively. Item 3 can be done with a smartphone that has no cellular service and is powered off except when in use for authentication.

    4. Re:Don't get one at all by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You can do all those things in other ways. Stop making excuses for your smartphone addiction.

    5. Re:Don't get one at all by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Piece of paper and a pencil.

    6. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Please list the other ways and what tools would be needed. then will ascertain who the one addicted to *something* is.

      Your position is not looking good right now....

    7. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Real nice, so you have papers in your pocket full of numbers you're going to retype into emails or documents...yeah you're an efficient one. maybe write down those barcodes and QC codes and type them into google later too....yup everyone here wants to hire you now

    8. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      sure, carry around a laptop in your back pocket to do these things, , and I'm sure the webcam is adequate for scanning barcodes inside a server, just have to carefully hold thing in position.

      yup yup you guys don't need a smartphone at all, and managers here reading your thoughts want to hire you

    9. Re:Don't get one at all by tepples · · Score: 1

      sure, carry around a laptop in your back pocket to do these things

      It's called a messenger bag. I already carry a compact laptop (currently a Dell Inspiron 11 3000 series) in order to work on contract programming projects while riding transit to and from my day job.

      and I'm sure the webcam is adequate for scanning barcodes inside a server, just have to carefully hold thing in position.

      In theory, barcode-driven price comparison could work with a PDA with no cellular capability, such as the iPod touch. It would use Wi-Fi or save the scanned barcodes for later retrieval once you're back to a laptop whose software you control.

    10. Re:Don't get one at all by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      barcodes and QC codes
      Funny thing, I *never* have any need for those, and I live a rich, full, technological life otherwise, multiple computers at home, a career in electronics, an IT background, etc, but I do not have nor do I need or want a smartphone. <sarcasm>How ever do I manage?</sarcasm>

      You've drunk the kool-aid you were offered; now you're a smartphone addict. Just admit it, it's the first step to Recovery.

    11. Re:Don't get one at all by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about job that includes working in data center on unix and hyperconverged virtual servers. Ever open one of those babies up? Ever work with barcoded or QR asset tags?

      Never done multifactor authentication with part done smartphone? Required where I work.

      Even for those at my company not in IT, expense reports are done by smartphone including photographing receipts.

      Meetings and room reservations are scheduled by smart phone

      Plenty of use for the smartphone in the adult working world.

      You wouldn't hold job at my employer without one. Plenty of other companies are the same.

      Maybe you don't have a real job?

  66. yes. Iphone 7 by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    So your iphone 7 was DOA and that's your reason for not using an iphone7? Was it used or something, as that's almost unheard of and of all the phones out there the iphone is the easiest to get service on (especially if you live near a major city).

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re: yes. Iphone 7 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Many blog posts and videos covering the problem I experienced. You get 5 seconds to turn on and work or it's back in the box. I spent two hours with the piece of shit. I bought it because I was sure it would work. Yawn.

      --
      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    2. Re:yes. Iphone 7 by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Well... There is that old saying about the first impression being a lasting impression (though last impressions can be just as lasting).

      --
      This space unintentionally left blank.
    3. Re: yes. Iphone 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must have been a dud. That can happen to any phone. Itâ(TM)s stupid to write off all iPhones because of a single device.

  67. My Favorite Phone by hduff · · Score: 1

    My favorite phone was the HTC OneMAX.

    Its only drawback was that it required a daily charging. Miss that and you were screwed.

    --
    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
  68. Moto E4 (or G4 Play if it's still available) by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Both are about $125, are fast enough for day to day use, have removable battery and upgradable storage.

  69. Are there any good high-end phones? by mcvos · · Score: 1

    I don't mind paying more than $500 for a good phone, but in recent years I've been appalled at the awful quality of high-end smartphones. I had to return an HTC One because it had a broken mic that apparently couldn't be fixed in the three times they claimed to have fixed it. My Samsung Galaxy's orientation is broken, regularly does completely random stuff, and it's full of bloatware I can't remove. Connectivity is poor. I really love Fairphone, but my Fairphone 2 does automatic reboots way too often (and no high-end smartphone has been immune to this).

    Maybe the best smartphone I've ever owned was the Motorola Milestone I bought after my iPhone 3G was stolen. It had a period where it occasionally called random people, didn't receive software updates and had an encrypted bootloader that prevented me from updating it, but at least it felt like I had the best device available at the time. The iPhone I had before that had poor connectivity and is of course limited by Apple.

    I don't understand why €600 can't get me a reliable, crap-free smartphone.

    1. Re: Are there any good high-end phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially when $300 gets a great laptop

  70. Don't laugh but.. by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Blackberry. I picked one up last year (the Priv model) for around $250. It runs pure Android without any carrier crap added to it. As a bonus, it is a very secure phone. It comes bundled with several BB apps and my favorite is BB Hub. It's sort of like a communications unified inbox. You can uninstall the BB apps if you don't want to use them. The best part is that you get access to the entire Google Play Store. It will run any Android app.

    For fans of it, there is a physical keyboard. Honestly I never really type with it but it does come with a lot of clever shortcuts. The screen is good (1920 resolution) and the camera is pretty good. Not as good as the iPhone camera but at 1/4 the price I can live with it. Battery isn't stellar but I can get through most of the day without looking for a recharge.

    These days the only place you can buy a BB is either Best Buy or Amazon. For the money, it's a good phone.

  71. Mmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything that doesn't come with pile of shit 'Beats Audio' headphones or speakers.

    I mean seriously, I can get the same effect walking around with a plastic bucket on my head.

  72. Motorola G5 Plus, and now Moto X4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lg G5
    Moto G5 Plus
    Moto X4

    For inexpensive, reasonably fast phones, I used to have Motorola G5 Plus, until I dropped it in water (and never recovered). Then I bought a Moto X4 - (waterproof). Any of the phones in this category run Android and get updated quite readily.

    If you can find LG G5, it is a good one too. I loved mine and used it for two years and I still have it as a work/desk phone.

    However, if I had money, I would buy something that has a very good camera. I am well-versed in Android programming and so I would stick to Android-phones. However, if I had to suggest something for my family or extended family, I would suggest Apple iPhone 7 or 8 models. If I knew how to write iPhone apps, I would stick to Apple phones. I do not like the data sharing that comes along with Android and Google Apps. I trust Apple and Microsoft more than Google.

  73. is there any good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non android and non iphone?

  74. Re: I'm not sure if I understand the question corr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you're on a US focused Web site, maybe spend two seconds googling locked phones, or read the other comments, instead of sounding like an intentionally obtuse moron.

  75. Unlocked as well as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlocked is nice, but also the phone as to be able to work with all of the networks in your country. How many unlocked phones work only on ATT and not Verizon? Way too many. I keep seeing phones that I want only to find out they won't work on Verizon. I wouldn't mind a Blackberry or (forgot the North-Euro's company name) phone. Look good and a good price. Unlocked won't cut it if you still can't use it.

  76. You... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...talk like a god damned faggot.

  77. You talk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...like a god damned faggot. Even walk like one.

  78. Apple, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get one used for $500.
    You're staying away from Apple for reasons other than searching for the best.

  79. Kyocera Duraforce Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works underwater (has a dedicated underwater camera mode) is obviously waterproof with the covers closed (power and headphone ports) has wired and wireless charging, MIL-SPEC components, is a tank with the simple addition of a regular screen protector, and runs everything I need (and it will run games, though I don't use it for that.)

    Updated versions are $400 and loaded with hardware.

    Best smartphone I've ever had.

  80. Moto z3 by PaulRivers10 · · Score: 1

    If you all day battery life with a fairly speedy phone, it's the Moto z3. It comes with a battery mod that snaps onto the back that brings battery capacity from the average 3,000mah to 5,000 mah, while still being thin enough to hold easily, use 1 handed, and slip in and out of your pocket easily. (Assuming your hands are big enough for other large phones as well).

  81. Depends on what do you mean by "unlocked" by williamyf · · Score: 1

    If you mean unlocked BOOTLOADER, as in, I can install custom ROMs, than Sony is the one to beat. Just be careful of the specific model you select.

    If by uunlocked you mean "I can stick a SIMcard from any opearator and the thing will work", then a Nokia 6 or higher is the best Android for that job.

    Onorable mention for the MotoZ with Shatershield + MotoMods.

    --
    *** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
  82. Best at what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best at what?

    My Moto E4 that I got for $100 last year does everything that I want it to (maps, email, music, texts, photos), quite well.

  83. OnePlus by piojo · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty enthusiastic about OnePlus. It's close to AOSP, with the changes being genuine enhancements (added interfaces and options to manage battery usage and data usage). The OTA update procedure supports rooted phones (though you'll need to root again afterwards). Some button customizations are possible without root. The "cheap" plastic screen protector that comes with the OnePlus 5 is better than any I've seen: is seems to be oleophobic and optically fairly clear, with much less friction than expected.

    --
    A cat can't teach a dog to bark.
  84. Buy the fucking garbage you're shilling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like you thoroughly fucking deserve to get stuck with some shitty pre-hacked AynRandRoid handset!

  85. Samsung Galaxy S5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Available right now? Samsung Galaxy S5. It's water resistant, has a replaceable battery, has wireless charging (not natively, but Samsung make a replacement back cover with the reception coils built in), is made of plastic (so it's got good radio properties and won't break when it hits the ground), has good LineageOS support (so guaranteed updates) and is available pretty cheaply because of its age. We hit peak Samsung four years ago; it's all been downhill from there.

    Just don't be an idiot and buy one from a network operator (seriously, why do people even do that?).

    Future use? Probably the Librem 5 (https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/) which will have far less restrictions on what you can do with it.

  86. Some considerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check oit Xiaomi (overall value for money) and Oppo (camera focused brand)

    Xiaomi A1 and A2 are stock google.
    Otherwise their phone range uses their MiUi which is quite good. These are the guys few can beat in terms of spec/price. Xiaomi is the 4th largest phone manufacturer, behind apple samsung and lenovo(i think).

  87. Sony Xperia X with Jolla X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ive been using this..

  88. Nokia by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    For $159 you can get a Nokia 3.1 running pure Android (Oreo) with zero bloatware. It's part of the "Android One" program. The only real downside is that Nokia removed the NFC chip from the US model and it doesn't have any biometric authentication. At that price don't expect flagship performance either.

    For $100 more you can get the Nokia 6.1 which includes NFC and a fingerprint reader.

    Both phones have a beautiful design accented with metal. They are sleek and can take great daylight pictures. Their nighttime picture taking ability is poor though.

    --
    -==- Buy a Mac and leave me alone!
  89. Can't believe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this guy never tried a Motorola or Xiaomi?

    I am using Motorolas for 4 years in a row. I hate wasting money on fashion hardware that does things like any other phone.
    I got a little pissed with Motorola after Lenovo acquired. The fast update policy is long gone due to this crap company called Lenovo.

    I simply hate overdoed Samsung with their custom bullshits that cause a lot of overhead on Android, not to mention that stupid "infinite" screen that allows everybody to see what your are doing in the phone.

    My next phone will definitely be a good Xiaomi.

  90. Xiaomi Mi Aa1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Definitely check out the Xiaomi Mi A1

  91. Best spyphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably not the best, my choice is One+ 5T. It is sold not locked, can do 2 SIMS, has Qualcom 835, 6 GB memory & more. Perhaps most importantly, LineageOS is available for it. I feel more secure not having google apps in my phones.
    Later One+ phones lack metal frames and plastic backs. Last price I know of was $499 some months ago.

  92. OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to have the One Plus 3 and 2 years later I purchased the OnePlus 6 and gave the 3 to my kid. I love this phone. Best battery ever. I will never, ever own another Moto. They are cheap and every single one of them has died on me. Motorola wouldn't replace the broken glass on one that was still under warranty EVEN IF I PAID for it. They returned it unrepaired without even giving me the courtesy of an email or phone call. They never get another penny of my money, ever.

    One Plus.

  93. Motorolla by Hazelnut · · Score: 1

    The current crop of android phones from Motorolla are great and very good value for money. Now that Samsung's are POS due to their Andoid UI usability 'enhancements' I prefer Moto's by a mile.