After reading this roadmap, I'm left with nothing but warm feelings of loveliness.
First off, working with Mozilla Firebird is a stroke of genius. There are a heck of a lot of man hours being put in on that project, we should utilise them rather than recovering ground already trod upon by the lizard.
Secondly, integrating both Ximian, Gnome-DB, calendering and address book tightly into Gnome could be a great leap towards a working Dashboard project. This alone looks like propelling Gnome into pole position - it's a genuinely innovative feature, not yet seen on any other desktop, and only hinted at by Microsoft so far. Beating Microsoft to the punch would certainly be a coup.
The other really encouraging thing is the following paragraph:
-- One area in which GNOME has lagged behind other desktop operating systems like Windows and Mac OS X is tight integration with hardware. GNOME is working with the freedesktop.org community to make plug-and-play hardware management just work. --
For me this highlights that Gnome has moved well into position as the premier Linux desktop, and rather than concentrating on what KDE are doing, they are focusing on bigger fish:) Looks like all those Sun corporate installations helped a little bit! Also, the close work the Gnome community is putting in alongside freedesktop.org is a *very* good thing. Integrating the desktop with the hardware is something Windows has been able to (alledgedly) do since '95, and it's about time we had that too! New users certainly need to be able to plug their digicam in and have it "just work", and if this can all be incorporated with Nautilus and the CD burner module, transferring pictures could be as easy as insert camera, insert blank CD and click Go. Gnome could fast be approaching Apple levels of usability!
Anyone remember the Grateful Dead's policy on bootlegging, how they encouraged it and even gave a special area at the front of the stage for bootleggers to stand and get a decent recording?
Isn't this an instant recording of a live event? Hasn't this been going on for 20 years?
"Now I just wish that Evolution would be properly integrated with KDE. They are doing it with OOo..."
I seriously doubt that's going to happen. For one, Evolution 2 will have parts of C# in it, and we all know how KDE feel about C#...
I see this announcement as yet another nail in the KDE coffin. Novell will want to push Mono big style and are keen to switch Evolution to Mono fully to lock out Sun, who obviously will not include a direct competitor to Java in their desktop distribution. The side effect is that this also locks out KDE, because as witnessed on the KDE developer forums recently, the attitudes of most KDE developers seem to be anti-sematic MS Hating idealists. If Evolution will not work without C#, that's yet ANOTHER library you have to include with KDE - starting to get bloaty now huh?
Coupled with the cross platform for-profit app development licensing restrictions, *and* the Ximian connector now being released for free, this spells a big win for Gnome, and Ximian specifically, and an opportunity missed for KDE. When you also lastly consider that Evolution is almost certainly the most powerful, widely used and efficent free GUI mail app, you really have to fear for the future of KDE and their now apparently hobbyist desktop.
KK I really don't know all the ins and outs of this, so maybe this is completely ridiculous but......
Why not just fill all the unlivable desert space with huge solar panels and giant electricity storage units and keep sucking in the sun, converting to electricity and then allowing the juice to enter the grid? It seems so obvious that someone must have thought of that before, so I'm wondering what the catch is..
This is not a flame. I *want* this product to succeed. But unfortunately, being able to display wordart better than openoffice isn't a deal maker, and especially isn't going to make me choose paid for software over free software. However, if they were to suddenly enable you to import all your VB macros with a Spreadsheet, then I'd happily hand my card number over there and then. Unfortunately, until then, this really just smacks as a "me too" product, and I can't see it taking much of openoffice's market share.
The problem in adaption is not when an interface is VASTLY different to what the user is used to - users can actually adapt to new interfaces fairly rapidly. What really throws spanners in the works is half backed clones of interfaces - ie. a Windows 95 interface that looks like the original, but does not FUNCTION the same way as the original - even down to the little thing, as menus not displaying the same options you'd expect to find in the native interface.
In my opinion, this is why KDE are barking up the wrong tree - unless it works EXACTLY like the interface it's ahem... "inspired" by, what's the point? Why not throw the rules out of the window (pun intended) and create a brand new, intuitive desktop environment. Can it really be *that* hard??
"Why is this deemed "intuitive" then? Isn't this just another attempt to replicate MS experience on another OS? Or am I missing something?"
Actually, you'll find that the KDE desktop project in general is very much like this. It's always seemed to strike a rather uneasy balance - the look and feel are mainly based on Windows, yet the icons seem to be more Apple like. This is going to be very confusing indeed for a migrating user.
"I know, some people want their cell phone to just be a cell phone. To those people, I suggest a second hand phone."
I, too used to be this unenlightened. I used to carry my Nokia 7650 around with me everywhere. And then one day, I lost it, and it forced a total rethink of the way I view phones. Did I really want to hunt around for a camera/organiser/games machine etc etc etc? In the end I plumped for a Xelibri (http://www.xelibri.com) - it doesn't do a whole lot, but does everything I need it to do - calls, sms, polyphonic ring tones and an alarm:)
I liken it to digital watches in the 80s. I remember everyone owning a watch with a calculator, some with thermometers, but now if you look at digital watches, they rarely are chock full of features, instead choosing to look good. That's what I want from my phone, something that looks good rather than something that is chock full of 100s of features I never use.
And, no, I'm not an anti-Linux zealot. In fact, I found my switch to a deliberately featureless, yet entirely sexy phone oddly paralleled my change from Windows to Linux a while back:)
And why exactly would I need a 1GB Ethernet port? Maybe to connnect my existing 2.4ghz Athlon to, which according to Microsoft, by that time would be relegated to Firewall status?
"This is not the 'Killa app' to save linux that's for sure."
Sorry, I think I've missed something here - since when did Linux need saving?
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If I want to play an FPS, I want my 21" monitor, my 6 channel surround sound with booming bass and a nice mouse to move around - I just don't think the experience could translate so well to an LCD screen, tinny laptop speaker, and a pressure pad to move about. And it'd probably cost a hell of a lot more too.
I guess I'll just stick to using my laptop for pr0n when I'm away on business trips...
"IBM's endorsement of Linux has added credibility and an illusion of support and accountability, although the reality is there is no 'center of gravity,' or central body,......"
I find this fascinating. Ever tried getting support on an OEM copy of Windows? You can't. You have to call your PC Manufacturer - you're essentially calling the body responsible for reselling the product rather than the body responsible for writing it. Isn't this exactly the same as IBM?
Here's how to access a "hidden" Tivo mode, which gives you a much improved picture. Perhaps this is enabled for HDTV (although the resolution would *still* be too low)
You mean on Windows I can buy a single use program that enables me to work out my tax returns and browse my digital photography??? Wow, maybe this Windows thing is worth a second look...
"Software to manage personal finances or organise digital photos is also missing."
Gnucash pretty much has Finace wrapped up, whilst for organising digital photos, you can't go wrong with gkam and gphoto2 to get the images from your digital camera, gimp to touch them up, and the rather excellent Nautilus to view thumbnails and organise.
"Big Name" shows like these with a large brand recognition would be right at home on the smaller channels that need something to grab a few hundred thousand viewers. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that a show like Futurama would be given a lot more love and attention by a more grateful network, than the Fox behemouth.
In addition to the mentioned toons, I read an interview with Kevin Smith and he mentioned that not only have the original 6 episodes of Clerks: The Animated Series been picked up for airing on a channel other then ABC (HBO I think?), but there is the possibility of all new episodes, as they orginally had plans for 4 seasons! Good times indeed....
How will this stop warez distribution? I'm sure it would be hardly any extra effort to split a 130MB CD rip to 13 10 Meg Rars and send them out as 13 emails....
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Integration is good when there is a reason to do it, and that reason is not to achieve a monopoly illegaly.
After reading this roadmap, I'm left with nothing but warm feelings of loveliness.
:) Looks like all those Sun corporate installations helped a little bit! Also, the close work the Gnome community is putting in alongside freedesktop.org is a *very* good thing. Integrating the desktop with the hardware is something Windows has been able to (alledgedly) do since '95, and it's about time we had that too! New users certainly need to be able to plug their digicam in and have it "just work", and if this can all be incorporated with Nautilus and the CD burner module, transferring pictures could be as easy as insert camera, insert blank CD and click Go. Gnome could fast be approaching Apple levels of usability!
First off, working with Mozilla Firebird is a stroke of genius. There are a heck of a lot of man hours being put in on that project, we should utilise them rather than recovering ground already trod upon by the lizard.
Secondly, integrating both Ximian, Gnome-DB, calendering and address book tightly into Gnome could be a great leap towards a working Dashboard project. This alone looks like propelling Gnome into pole position - it's a genuinely innovative feature, not yet seen on any other desktop, and only hinted at by Microsoft so far. Beating Microsoft to the punch would certainly be a coup.
The other really encouraging thing is the following paragraph:
--
One area in which GNOME has lagged behind other desktop operating
systems like Windows and Mac OS X is tight integration with hardware.
GNOME is working with the freedesktop.org community to make
plug-and-play hardware management just work.
--
For me this highlights that Gnome has moved well into position as the premier Linux desktop, and rather than concentrating on what KDE are doing, they are focusing on bigger fish
I want my 2.8!
However, in this case, the games he listed were mostly all critically acclaimed.
Anyone remember the Grateful Dead's policy on bootlegging, how they encouraged it and even gave a special area at the front of the stage for bootleggers to stand and get a decent recording?
Isn't this an instant recording of a live event? Hasn't this been going on for 20 years?
The "knackers yard" was a place they took tired old horses to be killed and have their bones made into glue....
"Now I just wish that Evolution would be properly integrated with KDE. They are doing it with OOo..."
I seriously doubt that's going to happen. For one, Evolution 2 will have parts of C# in it, and we all know how KDE feel about C#...
I see this announcement as yet another nail in the KDE coffin. Novell will want to push Mono big style and are keen to switch Evolution to Mono fully to lock out Sun, who obviously will not include a direct competitor to Java in their desktop distribution. The side effect is that this also locks out KDE, because as witnessed on the KDE developer forums recently, the attitudes of most KDE developers seem to be anti-sematic MS Hating idealists. If Evolution will not work without C#, that's yet ANOTHER library you have to include with KDE - starting to get bloaty now huh?
Coupled with the cross platform for-profit app development licensing restrictions, *and* the Ximian connector now being released for free, this spells a big win for Gnome, and Ximian specifically, and an opportunity missed for KDE. When you also lastly consider that Evolution is almost certainly the most powerful, widely used and efficent free GUI mail app, you really have to fear for the future of KDE and their now apparently hobbyist desktop.
KK I really don't know all the ins and outs of this, so maybe this is completely ridiculous but......
Why not just fill all the unlivable desert space with huge solar panels and giant electricity storage units and keep sucking in the sun, converting to electricity and then allowing the juice to enter the grid? It seems so obvious that someone must have thought of that before, so I'm wondering what the catch is..
Does the live CD allow you to automatically do a Hard drive FTP Install, or do you have to pony up for that?
This is not a flame. I *want* this product to succeed. But unfortunately, being able to display wordart better than openoffice isn't a deal maker, and especially isn't going to make me choose paid for software over free software. However, if they were to suddenly enable you to import all your VB macros with a Spreadsheet, then I'd happily hand my card number over there and then. Unfortunately, until then, this really just smacks as a "me too" product, and I can't see it taking much of openoffice's market share.
The problem in adaption is not when an interface is VASTLY different to what the user is used to - users can actually adapt to new interfaces fairly rapidly. What really throws spanners in the works is half backed clones of interfaces - ie. a Windows 95 interface that looks like the original, but does not FUNCTION the same way as the original - even down to the little thing, as menus not displaying the same options you'd expect to find in the native interface.
In my opinion, this is why KDE are barking up the wrong tree - unless it works EXACTLY like the interface it's ahem... "inspired" by, what's the point? Why not throw the rules out of the window (pun intended) and create a brand new, intuitive desktop environment. Can it really be *that* hard??
"Why is this deemed "intuitive" then? Isn't this just another attempt to replicate MS experience on another OS? Or am I missing something?"
Actually, you'll find that the KDE desktop project in general is very much like this. It's always seemed to strike a rather uneasy balance - the look and feel are mainly based on Windows, yet the icons seem to be more Apple like. This is going to be very confusing indeed for a migrating user.
"I know, some people want their cell phone to just be a cell phone. To those people, I suggest a second hand phone."
:)
:)
I, too used to be this unenlightened. I used to carry my Nokia 7650 around with me everywhere. And then one day, I lost it, and it forced a total rethink of the way I view phones. Did I really want to hunt around for a camera/organiser/games machine etc etc etc? In the end I plumped for a Xelibri (http://www.xelibri.com) - it doesn't do a whole lot, but does everything I need it to do - calls, sms, polyphonic ring tones and an alarm
I liken it to digital watches in the 80s. I remember everyone owning a watch with a calculator, some with thermometers, but now if you look at digital watches, they rarely are chock full of features, instead choosing to look good. That's what I want from my phone, something that looks good rather than something that is chock full of 100s of features I never use.
And, no, I'm not an anti-Linux zealot. In fact, I found my switch to a deliberately featureless, yet entirely sexy phone oddly paralleled my change from Windows to Linux a while back
And why exactly would I need a 1GB Ethernet port? Maybe to connnect my existing 2.4ghz Athlon to, which according to Microsoft, by that time would be relegated to Firewall status?
"This is not the 'Killa app' to save linux that's for sure."
Sorry, I think I've missed something here - since when did Linux need saving?
If I want to play an FPS, I want my 21" monitor, my 6 channel surround sound with booming bass and a nice mouse to move around - I just don't think the experience could translate so well to an LCD screen, tinny laptop speaker, and a pressure pad to move about. And it'd probably cost a hell of a lot more too.
I guess I'll just stick to using my laptop for pr0n when I'm away on business trips...
"IBM's endorsement of Linux has added credibility and an illusion of support and accountability, although the reality is there is no 'center of gravity,' or central body, ......"
I find this fascinating. Ever tried getting support on an OEM copy of Windows? You can't. You have to call your PC Manufacturer - you're essentially calling the body responsible for reselling the product rather than the body responsible for writing it. Isn't this exactly the same as IBM?
Here's how to access a "hidden" Tivo mode, which gives you a much improved picture. Perhaps this is enabled for HDTV (although the resolution would *still* be too low)
http://www.ljay.org.uk/tivoweb/tivo_fpga.html
Hmm yes you're right. After all, it's not like Apple ever ripped anybody else off, is it?
*cough cough* Nomad Jukebox *cough*
You do realise that organise is actually a correct spelling? It's just not Americanised...
You mean on Windows I can buy a single use program that enables me to work out my tax returns and browse my digital photography??? Wow, maybe this Windows thing is worth a second look...
No - that would be Linux has more balls-ups when used through Windows....
"Software to manage personal finances or organise digital photos is also missing."
Gnucash pretty much has Finace wrapped up, whilst for organising digital photos, you can't go wrong with gkam and gphoto2 to get the images from your digital camera, gimp to touch them up, and the rather excellent Nautilus to view thumbnails and organise.
Or am I missing the point here?
"Big Name" shows like these with a large brand recognition would be right at home on the smaller channels that need something to grab a few hundred thousand viewers. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that a show like Futurama would be given a lot more love and attention by a more grateful network, than the Fox behemouth.
In addition to the mentioned toons, I read an interview with Kevin Smith and he mentioned that not only have the original 6 episodes of Clerks: The Animated Series been picked up for airing on a channel other then ABC (HBO I think?), but there is the possibility of all new episodes, as they orginally had plans for 4 seasons! Good times indeed....
How will this stop warez distribution? I'm sure it would be hardly any extra effort to split a 130MB CD rip to 13 10 Meg Rars and send them out as 13 emails....