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SuSE 9.1 Available for Download
Aiua writes "Novell and SuSE AG have made the Live Evaluation CD of SuSE Linux 9.1 available for download. A list of mirrors carrying the 680MB ISO image is available on the SuSE Website. The Live CD allows you to test some of the new features of 9.1 without installation, and is a SuSE recommended download to test your computer for distribution compatability. The full Personal and Professional Editions are now shipping and available for purchase in the SuSE Store or your local reseller." Reader Sweetshark points out that the first release of the Live CD has problems, so make sure you get the most recent one: "SUSE Security Announcement: Live CD 9.1 (SuSE-SA:2004:011) describes a big security hole in the SuSE 9.1 Personal Edition Live CD: 'Upon boot, the Live CD will automatically configure a network card if one has been detected. [...] A configuration error on the Live CD allows for a passwordless, remote root login to the system via ssh, if the computer has booted from the Live CD and if it is connected to a network.' A fixed iso is available."
The torrents will be slow as hell today.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Does the live CD allow you to automatically do a Hard drive FTP Install, or do you have to pony up for that?
Sunday you're Thinking Different, Monday you're a huge tool, paying too much and waiting to think like everyone else.
"A configuration error on the Live CD allows for a passwordless, remote root login to the system via ssh"
THAT'S NOT GOOD ;)
Letter
I've always been annoyed by the fact that SuSE has never made regular full-install ISOs available.
Blah blah ftp install blah blah... I've heard it before.
I was going to install mandrake 10 today but it doesnt appear to support my on board ethernet (nforce2), will suse support it by default?
Oh hold on this a bloody "live cd" again isnt it - I thought SuSE had stopped being difficult about allowing their distro to be downloaded as CD images.
Bush and Blair ate my sig!
congratulations to SuSE!
A whole new meaning of *Open*SSH
My initial, kneejerk reaction on reading the headline was that this story was way, way out of date. Then I realized I was thinking of Mandrake. Does anyone else think Linux vendors could maybe come up with more informative ways of naming their releases? Just a month/year might be more appropriate. If someone blurts out that they're running SuSE 9.1, and I'm not familiar with the whole history of SuSE, I have no way of even guessing whether there's a 2.6 kernel in there, let alone all the other software with version numbers that are a whole lot more relevant than the version number of the distro itself.
Breakfast served all day!
When I initially got into Linux, I tried every distro I could get my hands on, and SuSE is the only one that gave me that warm-fuzzy feeling -- UNTIL the first major update came out, and I hunted forever trying to get the dang ISOs for it. (Back to the drawing board - 9.1's shipping this week)
If it were an Apple product, we wouldn't hear about it until there had been a lot of complaining, and a patch from Apple. ;)
;)
If this were a Microsoft product, we wouldn't hear about the hole until someone else had discovered it, and there was a worm circulating the internet taking advantage of it.
Is it possible now or in the near future to do an update from 9.0 to 9.1 using just YaST, without downloading new CD images?
If this were an MS or Apple product we would have either not heard about it, or would have found out 6 months down the line when some script kiddie managed to throw your bank offline.
/. Where the truth
Microsoft has made several fetures similar to this one avalable in there line of products if you know what i mean.
If this were a Microsoft or Apple product ...
The exploit would be a code defect instead of a configuration screw up. Also, it would be in the production product rather than the no-install, evalutation only version.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
As the article points out, it's already fixed A fixed iso is available.
Microsoft and Apple are mostly blamed for their "Keep silent and don't fix" policy.
I managed to download the 4.1gb DVD version, but I don't have a DVD writer, nor do I have a DVD-ROM on my existing linux server.
.torrent with the CD version
I then realized that the CD version was also on usenet, as you can see HERE. Unfortunately, those files are no longer on my news provider (easynews).
I am hoping someone will post a
Let's not blow this out of proportion..
...the hole would be in the version that gets installed and wouldn't be fixed for a few months.
This hole is only in the Live CD, not in the product that you install. In other words, who cares? It's not as if people are booting it up to do any serious work; it's only for evaluation to see if a machine is compatible, etc.
And they released a fixed one the same day. So to end your senctence:
If this were a Microsoft or Apple product...
If this were a Microsoft or Apple product...
neither would we have been told about it, nor would it be fixed for 23 more days?
I tought I would never see pirated Linux distros but i just looked on xMule and i saw cds and dvds of this...this means Linux is gaining ground LoL.
...to test your computer for distribution compatability
I'm supposed to test my computer for distribution compatibility? I thought I was paying money to the commercial Linux distributions to do just that.
I passed the Turing test.
the more people "torrenting" the faster torrents are
They said they were going to GPL YaST. Have they done so for this release?
You would have never known...
You can get Suse isos here for $10.
Scott
G-Vegas, NC
The article title seems to say that the full SuSE 9.1 is available for download, when is a bit far from it. As far I remember, SuSE always had a "live" demo to test it released around the same time as the full product and available for free download, but that don't mean that can be installed in hard disk or from it install the full 9.1 ftp version from their servers.
SuSE have been releasing Live CD ISO's since at least 2000, actually before Knoppix came to the scene.
Really nothing new here, apart from maybe more people paying attention.
StarTux
Suse 9.0 is the only distro that worked out of the box with the noisy ACPI fan on my Cel 1.8 Gateway laptop.
Looking forward to 9.1!
Scott
G-Vegas, NC
When you try to get a easy-to-use, non-Windows system running on your elderly parent's PC so they can get online without worrying about spyware/viruses/etc., it's not exactly possible to do an FTP install over a dialup connection.
This is a great idea! We could have Linux Identification Numbers (like VIN) and they would be able to tell you everything you need to know. So, a sample LIN number could be
WSPKY474X4F000001
Where W means it's made in germany, KY means it runs 2.6 kernel, and so forth and so on. Then all you gotta do is ask the person for their LIN number and you know everything about their distribution and release! Genius!
You don't seem to grasp what a Live CD is for. This is not their distro, just a means of checking things out. Nothing is installed. Just boot the CD and it makes a RAMdrive.
If Microsoft made a Live CD of XP with a hole you'd see the same reaction. Who cares. It's not like you're running machines with Live CD's on a day in day out basis.
ssh new-livecduser /dev/hda5 /mnt/hd /mnt/hd
mount
cd
rm -rf *
"who cares?" I bet the guy who has the commands above done to his machine will.
Well, how hard would it be for someone to oh, use the "mount" command after they ssh in as root. Or perhaps they can zero out your harddrive. Seems likea fairly serious security hole to me. If you're behind a firewall that blocks ssh access (and nobody inside the firewall is a threat ... ) it maybe a non-issue, but otherwise I wouldn't be putting that on the net.
It's been a while since I looked at it, but doesn't that violate the (soon-to-be-discarded) Yast license?
What's a sig?
Decided this time around I'd do the responsible thing and actually *gasp!* pre-order a copy of 9.1 to support a Linux company. Comes with the install CDs and the live CD to boot. Already got delivered and sitting at home-this clock at work really needs to hurry the hell up.
I think I'll count my donation to SuSE as my charitable donation for the year.no Peggy SuSE?
De sig boss de sig
I'm thinking of switching to SuSE from Slackware myself. I'm lazy and sick of configuring everything by hand. I've tried SuSE before and it's hands down the best desktop distro.
Slackware seems more like something I'd run as a web or file server.
I'm also thinking of switching to KDE 3.2 from GNOME. I like GNOME's more minimalist look and feel... but GTK2 is s-l-o-w.
The difference is that SuSE already provided a full refund of the .iso's purchase price for all those affected by this security hole ;3
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
*Runs away to the local store...* *Stops outside of it...* *Thinks...* *Turns back, and downloads it at home* There yah go! X)
I've tried a ton of desktops. Mandrake 10, Fedora, Knoppix, etc. All of them were functional, but lacking in certain areas. They just didn't seem ready for an end user. I booted up the Suse 9.1 because I'm intereted in the Novell Linux play. I was instantly blown away. This is the most well designed, streamlined and functional Linux desktop I've used. Finally something tha can be installed and run by an end user without hand holding from a geek.
WURD!!
Nonsense. Precisely what do you think Apple uses for SSH?
IansPowerbook:~ ian$ ssh -v
OpenSSH_3.6.1p1+CAN-2003-0693, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090702f
Cheers,
Ian
What Kernel/KDE/Gnome versions does the Personal version come with? THey are very specific about the specs of the professional version (Kernel 2.6. etc), but they do not say anything about what is included in the personal version?
This is no more offtopic than the original parent post, and it got +5 Intersting.
Just because someone thinks ftp isn't convenient as an ISO download that gets an interesting modification? Someone tells them that GNU GPL doesn't mandate that it has to be an ISO in the same langauge they use it's off-topic?
Somebody give me +Informative modpoints for informing moderators how to mod correctly.
BSD is designed. Linux is grown. C++ libs
Now that SuSE's using submounts, tho, things are kinda weird when trying to run installers that expect to be able to run the mount command (i.e. UT2004). Since it dynamically mounts the media, you can't run a mount command any more without changing fstab.
SuSE's is my favorite installer so far (I like thinking of installation processes as checklists, which is how SuSE organizes them) and YaST2's integration into KDE's control panel is nice. Also it bears noting that this has both 32 and 64 bit installations - they aren't charging extra for 64 anymore.
The only tweaks I've had to make so far are to KDE's look and feel. Such a nice time saver to have a works-out-of-the-box installation.
Question:
I wanna buy it (I don't mind paying for my Free software) and install it but I don't want a physical shipment nor do I want to install 9.0 first. But physical shipment is all that's offered.
How do I make the LiveCD boot on my HD?
This is a very nice distribution, even though I had to manually setup my ATI Raedon card with my Dell 1600x1400 LCD. Small annoyance.
(BTW, note the differences bewteen 9.1 Personal and Professional; if you still need professional (!) then note the difference between the $60 update and the $90 new purchase; hint, it has nothing to do with existing software.)
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Give it up.
/.
You said something stupid on
You lose.
If you can't take the heat, then your OP shouldn't have been so uppity... and wrong.
- A C
I _JUST_ gave a co-worker a copy of my SuSE 9.0 live CD to try out at home!
/. this story was at the top!
Seriously! I gave him a copy of the CD and then when I got back to my desk and took a look at
Oh well. I guess that was a waste of a CD. Time to get him a copy of 9.1.
This is only the live-eval CD... Install and poke around... The FTP install won't be available for another month per notice in the ftp folder for 9.1: This tree contains the source RPM packages for the SUSE LINUX 9.1 distribution. The SUSE LINUX 9.1 ftp version will be published on June 4th in this directory.
Maybe the Purchase of Novell added that extra charm. Good customer relationship.
Having a download site for people to try out - that is proper - I hope they improve the customer support too.
I had terrible experiences with Suse, but after Novell's acquisition I even started receiving DVD/CD evals at my office and a personal phone call from a representative. Nice one. (well on topic).
Mandrake has gone 10.0 for what ? two months ?
Sprock! The only reason I pre-ordered SuSE 9.1 Personal Edition was for the included SuSE Live CD, so I wouldn't have to download and burn it. I haven't even gotten the CD in the mail yet, but when I do, all it will be good for is to be used as a coaster.
Well sprock me. I'm out $40 (including the $10 for shipping & handling), for nothing. I suppose that'll teach me for showing support and buying a live CD. Thanks Novell and SuSE!
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
I've pretty much given up on everything else. SuSE is by far the best desktop distro I've run across, I'll be upgrading to 9.1 within the week (I buy one of their distros once a year or so).
However, everyone's so called "Server" installations just manages to piss me off. I don't want a GUI. I don't want a whole bunch of crap that all these commercial distros (including RedHat and SuSE) seem to believe I need.
Slackware is the only Linux distro I put on my servers anymore. I control exactly what's on them, and that's the way I like it. Except for certain servers running OpenBSD, all my workhorse servers have Slackware.
You also wouldn't see a link to a patch in the same story.
You must be very, very young my friend. SUSE stopped making ISOs with version 7 which dates WAY back to Q3 of the year 2000!! Since any "friend" will gladly make you a copy, what's the big deal? In fact, it saves you the download time and everything!!
Hmmm... I guess there is the requirement that you have to have at least one friend though... may be tougher than I thought.
Oh... I guess this went in one ear and out the other... let me rephrase so you can understand:
Blah blah friend blah burn me a copy blah blah
The Professional version has Sodipodi 0.34 (the most recent) but not Inkscape. That's unforgivable.
Also, why on earth put Gimp into Personal and not Inkscape? A vector app is more convenient for many tasks simply because it's vector, and many users find it easier to do simple graphics in intuitive vectors than in raster. I hate it when the raster paradigm (Gimp/Photoshop) is being pushed as synonymous to "graphics" or even "design", while in reality it's just one of the tools, and not the primary one in most cases.
Yes. Yast was GPLed some weeks ago and the source has been available on their site for eons.
What is the difference between SuSE Professional and Personal, besides US$60? Can the differences be "fixed" by downloading free software from other sources.
Life is like a web application. Sometime you need cookies just to get by.
Cripes, I can't believe how many problems just finding the upgrade:
1. amazon.com doesn't have it
2. bestbuy doesn't find any "suse" products
3. beyond.com is out of business
4. borders was bought by amazon.com
5. cdromusa.com doesn't find any "suse" products
6. compusa (or cockusa as I friend calls them) doesn't list 9.1 at all.
7. programmer's paradise doesn't list 9.1 either
8. shopforsoftware site was too slow to bear
Finally found it at cheapbytes. Man!
Is it legal to buy SuSE from the store, make ISO's and have them available for download from an ftp, http, etc.?
Then all you gotta do is ask the person for their LIN number and you know everything about their distribution and release!
Like how to hack into it's security flaws? SSH...
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Lousy rotten karmic retribution.
Does anyone ever know what happened to the PPC distro of SuSE? I was looking for it a couple of weeks ago, and it has just sort of "vanished into the ether"... There is absolutely no mention of it on the website, and, although there is a PPC folder on their FTP, I can't seem to download from it without it timing out.
Just curious, because I really liked SuSE when I was using it a couple of years ago. Guess I'll be using YellowDog...
When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat? -C. Palahniuk
Isn't that a Chameleon? Sorry if I did not spell it correctly.
Peace and Love,
Terry
How hard is it make a prompt to ask the user to enter a new root password when starting up the liveCD? I mean this is HUGE hole if you are directly connected to the net
OK, I'm confused. At first I thouigh I read that the Ximian D2 desktop would be an option in 9.1. Now it doesn't look to be there.
Man I have installed 3 different versions of Linux within the last week to test it out and sure enough NONE Of them support the nforce Nic card out of the box! To be fair Windows XP Pro had no clue either. But with windows I simply went into device manager/update driver and placed my nforce cd in and that's that. So then I went to nforce website and downloaded the RPM for Linux and ran that, Sure enough upon following the README it still had no clue! wtf over??? We really need to get beyond this failure point in Linux. I hate to rant like a newbie but I started with Red Hat 5.0 and have came back over time over and over again with at least 4 different distro's and it's the same ole shit. Give us a unified area to control hardware, To load a module properly etc...If I download a driver and run the RPM or tar let me load it properly instead of telling me to go to a forum or something. Thanks
I'm in the processing of mirroring the updated iso now, but I've made the first livecd iso available at http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/live-cd-9.1/
You can get it via ftp, http, or rsync. The -01 cd will take about an hour from the time this message is posted to appear.
Enjoy! Note that we don't currently actively mirror SuSE so there's a large chance that this area will bitrot later since I'm manually making this available.
-- Nathan Laredo
Amazon does have these items listed, and if you order soon enough they can deliver them by Monday:
SuSE Linux 9.1 Personal ($28.99)SuSE Linux 9.1 Professional ($84.99)
Why yes, those are *evil* Amazon Associates referrer links!
(as long as you've read the man page)
Don't know why the mods gave it -1 Redundant. Mods on crack?
Anybody here have an idea why loading X11 apps would be unbearably slow in SuSE 9.1?
I installed 9.1, all my hardware was detected and drivers installed flawlessly, but now just loading up the kde shell application takes 5 seconds on my AthlonXP with 7200rpm hd. This must be some obscure configuration problem because console apps run at normal speed, and yes, I have DMA enabled and the CPU sits idle while I'm waiting for my shell to appear on the screen. It's not the video driver either.
Any ideas?
Literally. :-P
:-)
Sync error just when it switches the resolution going to what I presume to be KDE. Too bad.
Setting a "lower" resolution in the boot doesn't help, neither does safe settings. Not exactly the screen I was expecting
Using a Samsung 19" SyncMaster 959NF on a GeForce 2 GTS.
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I downloaded the SuSE 9.1 LiveCD on April 27th. Is this one patched with new goodies, or is it exactly the same thing I already have? Get with the times, people!
P.S. Knoppix 3.4 Live CD is the slickest piece of *any* software that I have ever seen. Fucking amazing.
SuSE's model is the very spirit of the GPL. A company has every right to sell media for their software, as long as they make the source available to those who pay. In fact, SuSE is going above and beyond the LETTER of the GPL by allowing for-free FTP installs.
.ISO's for SuSE from various, primarily Eastern European resources. The same resources posting OpenBSD .ISO's, unofficial Debian .ISO's, etc. After all, it's all free software, yeah? So WHAT if OpenBSD copywrites their directory structure, they don't actually deserve MONEY for making the OS (or SuSE their distro), do they?
For those who want books, want media, etc, buy the CD. For those who are technical enough, use the FTP install. I've always used the FTP install and have zero problems with it, works great.
Of course, if you're a REAL whiner about it, you can always just STEAL the
I mean, jeez, it's THIRTY bucks... I don't see anything in Pro that you can't just go download anyway. If it had Crossover Office/plugin, I might buy the thing, since I've been thinking about getting Crossover for my wife anyway.
I like music
... right now. Boot and autodiscovery of hardware was very nice, and finely polished, BUT a few things that the Knoppix v3.4-2004-05-04 iso that I downloaded and played with last night, beats SuSE 9.1 LiveCD. Knoppix found my Logitech MX-500 optical wheel mouse and activated the wheel in all apps that can use one automatically. It just worked, and the wheel was there in the first web browser I ran. Knoppix also automatically detected and setup my integrated mobo AC-97 soundcard and sound was there right away ready for me when I played the demo song in the audio player app. SuSE 9.1 detected my mouse as a plain USB mouse and I cannot get the wheel to work. I also had to manually configure my soundcard with YaST, and haven't found any demo tunes included to check out the music player :-/. SuSE is much prettier to look at... lots of glassy shiney eye candy which does beat Knoppix in the first-impression looks department. YaST was easier for me to use to set up my network card too, than Knoppix's tool... probably because I'm already familiar with YaST and I had to go prowling around Knoppix's menus and buttons to hunt for where to config the nic, it wasn't brain-dead obvious to someone who's never seen Knoppix before. Another plus for Knoppix is that Mozilla was already right there on the desktop ready to use.
I'm a die-hard SuSE fan and will probably buy the 9.1 box set, since I've not paid for a box set since 8.0, and freeloaded 8.1, 8.2 and 9.0, but I have to admit that for a ready-to-run and truly useable "live cdrom" version, I think Knoppix is the winner in the useability contest for these two CD-run distros. Armed with a USB memory stick, and a Knoppix 3.4 CDROM, and just about any pile of hardware with an Internet connection and you're good to go! The SuSE 9.1 Live CD, however is a great "wow-em" showcase for SuSE's product, but is not as ready for quick-n-dirty real live workstation productive use on a harddrive-less pile of hardware like Knoppix is.
These are just my humble opinions here, after spending only about an hour fooling around on each one of these run-from-cd distros, having never played with either before, and rather well-versed in Linux in general and especially SuSE.
Bueller? Anyone?
Lots of petrified grits
The 91 SuSE DVD A has been available since 5/02; The 5 individual CDs showed up three days ago. There are already over one hundred seeds available. I am talking about the real distribution, not the demo live CD. I did not try to download because I ordered the update: the package is supposed to arrive on Momday.
I downloaded the Mandrake 10 power pack to play with it a little bit. I am a Suse believer, I wont use Mandrake, just play with it
I always order the update. I get all disks but not all books.
$30??? It is $90 ($60 the update)
http://www.suse.com/en/private/products/suse_linux /prof/pers_prof.html
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
If this were a Microsoft or Apple product...
If this were a microsoft product, we would not have heard of it until millions of windozepeecees were compromised, and microsoft finally issued a "service pack" (a microsoft euphemism for a bug fix) after denying for several months that there was any problem.
It recognized my sound card. Suse did not.
Knoppix also recognized my Intel wireless card and configured it properly. Suse did not.
I frankly expected more from Suse.
This is straight from one of the main SUSE devs:
/., but this is legitimate.
"First: XD2 is based on Gnome 2.2. SUSE Linux 9.1 has Gnome 2.4 and 9.2 will have something newer. So a direct inclusion of XD2 would mean going back to a rather old XD2."
"9.1 already contained the most important patches from the Ximian team and for 9.2, I expect more to be added,..."
Name of said dev shall remain anonymous. Since I do not have his permission directly to post his name on
I have access to this individual as one of the SuSE beta testers.
Cheers.