- All packaged for windows - Nicely presented and professional looking - User friendly a point and click autorun menu which launches the various installers and has a nice description and screenshots of what the various packages are.
Basically, it's the ideal way to introduce your windows user friends to open source if they don't know about it already.
It comes down to a matter of trust. Personally I don't trust my ISPs mail servers, nor do I trust some of the admins (not that I think they are malicious, just they they make mistakes)
Also, PGP is not just about encryption but about message authentication. S/MIME can't give you that.
It's just a pet peeve of mine, but copyright infringement and theft are two distinct crimes.
Good point. Furthermore, Copyright infringement is not a crime[1] whereas theft is. Copyright infringement is against the law, but it's a civil rather than a criminal offence.
In other words, copyright infringement will not get you arrested by the police or get you a criminal record. It may get you a fine or other punishment from a court if a copyright holder sues you however.
[1] At least in my country this is true (England)
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I imagine a future where I can download a copy of Linux and it would install on my system without any configuration
erm.. when did you last try installing linux, and which distro did you use?
I have recently installed ubuntu and fedora 3 on hardware ranging from a fairly old PII 400 with matrox gfx and scsi to an amd64 3000 with radeon 9200 gfx and serial ata, to an ibm thinkpad r40e.
All of these installed with almost no effort and Just Worked. (apart from power management on the laptop which took about 30 mins of googling to find a solution)
I even had hardware accelerated gfx on _all_ of the above machines with no extra configuration of drivers to download or install.
Really, if you want "easy to install and get running" give something like ubuntu or fedora a try. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Firstly, the article is talking about linux itself, not linux distributions which are another issue and may or may not have "massive problems" of their own.
Secondly, linux (the kernel) already "forks" every time a new development version is opened. ie, 2.1, 2,3, 2.5 etc. All this is saying is that 2.7 is about to open.
The kernel will fork to a new 2.7 branch. This is exactly what happens every iteration of kernel development. This looks like a case of poor journalistic understanding of the usual linux process and/or fear inducing sensationalist headlines.
Even if this was a more hostile type of fork it wouldn't matter. Some amount of forking is healthy in open source.
"it is important that we do not pretend that an entitlement card would be an overwhelming factor in combating international terrorism" - David Blunkett 3 July 2002.
1) There was "licensed stuff" in netscape. That was only a problem until those parts were rewritten.
2) I don't think you mean what you think you mean when you say "licensed stuff"
Almost all software requires a license because it is covered by copyright, but that doesn't mean you cant redistribute it. The GNU GPL is an example of a common license which allows redistribution. It is still "licensed stuff"
Firefox was unusable on my p133 laptop (ibm 560e) until I upgraded the memory. Now with just 80Mb (16+64) it find firefox fine on a xfce desktop on linux 2.4 except on the heaviest of sites.
I think I will start using linux now. I am very reassured by this.
The UK govermnent has always been second to none in their execution and understanding of IT projects. They are get things right first time and are consistently under budget and finish early.
I trust nobody more to speak with authority on issues like this.
BWAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
The UK GOVERNMENT!! says LINUX IS VIABLE!!!! HAHAHA!!!!
I suspect os/2 contains many bits of licensed technology which probably don't permit opening the source.
I can't say this with any authority, but for a project of that size I would be surprised if every single line of code was written by IBM internally and there are no patent licenses involved.
Oh, and those 350 TONS were stolen before American troops arrived. I'm sure we should have had troops there before we invaded, right?
No, we should have had weapons inspectors there.
But hold on, we did - until the US, Britain etc withdrew them even though they had succesfully contained and monitored Iraqs weapons for many years and were right all along when they said there was no WMD threat.
And how many tons were stolen before the weapons inspectors were pulled out?
notice in the sentence regarding rockstar, i said their IP distribution rights were violated. i never said anything about stealing.
I wasn't referring to the rockstar sentence, but to the analogy that followed it. I do understand what you mean now you have explained though.
is just hair splitting
Well I disagree with that. I firmly believe that the term "intellectual property theft" is deliberately designed to make people think that copyright infringement is equivalent to stealing when it is not. Saying it is a matter of semantics doesn't change that.
Stealing neccesarily results in loss for the victim. Copyright infringement only results in loss in those cases where the infringer would otherwise have paid for the product. For example, when 15 or so teenagers have unofficial copies of maya and other expensive software they have without doubt broken the law, but in most cases there has been no resulting loss because had they not used those copies they would have no copy at all. The developers have not lost anything. Of course, they have to pursue every infringement case because there is no way for them to tell the "would have bought" from the "would not have bought" cases.
This is why copyright infringement is (rightly) illegal, but is not the moral or legal equivalent of stealing.
Oh, and I wasn't preaching - just correcting a factual mistake. Whether that mistake mattered or not seems to be where we disagree.
I don't know much about all this, and I'm not disagreeing, but could you provide a link to further info about the design and the designer of the butterfly ballot please?
You can skip between songs and change volume etc without _needing_ to see the screen in the dark, but you can't find phone numbers or send a text in the dark so easily.
In other works, I see your point about a phone screen but I don't think the same applies to a music player. Battery life is still more important IMO.
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or maybe just figure out how to use rsync over an ssh tunnel.
rsync -e ssh
Except that most guns aren't used to commit crimes.
They are in countries where its a crime to own one.
Yes, it is "just" a CD of open source apps, but:
- All packaged for windows
- Nicely presented and professional looking
- User friendly a point and click autorun menu which launches the various installers and has a nice description and screenshots of what the various packages are.
Basically, it's the ideal way to introduce your windows user friends to open source if they don't know about it already.
It comes down to a matter of trust. Personally I don't trust my ISPs mail servers, nor do I trust some of the admins (not that I think they are malicious, just they they make mistakes)
Also, PGP is not just about encryption but about message authentication. S/MIME can't give you that.
It's just a pet peeve of mine, but copyright infringement and theft are two distinct crimes.
Good point. Furthermore, Copyright infringement is not a crime[1] whereas theft is. Copyright infringement is against the law, but it's a civil rather than a criminal offence.
In other words, copyright infringement will not get you arrested by the police or get you a criminal record. It may get you a fine or other punishment from a court if a copyright holder sues you however.
[1] At least in my country this is true (England)
I imagine a future where I can download a copy of Linux and it would install on my system without any configuration
erm.. when did you last try installing linux, and which distro did you use?
I have recently installed ubuntu and fedora 3 on hardware ranging from a fairly old PII 400 with matrox gfx and scsi to an amd64 3000 with radeon 9200 gfx and serial ata, to an ibm thinkpad r40e.
All of these installed with almost no effort and Just Worked. (apart from power management on the laptop which took about 30 mins of googling to find a solution)
I even had hardware accelerated gfx on _all_ of the above machines with no extra configuration of drivers to download or install.
Really, if you want "easy to install and get running" give something like ubuntu or fedora a try. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Firstly, the article is talking about linux itself, not linux distributions which are another issue and may or may not have "massive problems" of their own.
Secondly, linux (the kernel) already "forks" every time a new development version is opened. ie, 2.1, 2,3, 2.5 etc. All this is saying is that 2.7 is about to open.
"Fork" is not a dirty word.
The kernel will fork to a new 2.7 branch. This is exactly what happens every iteration of kernel development. This looks like a case of poor journalistic understanding of the usual linux process and/or fear inducing sensationalist headlines.
Even if this was a more hostile type of fork it wouldn't matter. Some amount of forking is healthy in open source.
"it is important that we do not pretend that an entitlement card would be an overwhelming factor in combating international terrorism" - David Blunkett 3 July 2002.
Two points:
1) There was "licensed stuff" in netscape. That was only a problem until those parts were rewritten.
2) I don't think you mean what you think you mean when you say "licensed stuff"
Almost all software requires a license because it is covered by copyright, but that doesn't mean you cant redistribute it. The GNU GPL is an example of a common license which allows redistribution. It is still "licensed stuff"
Firefox was unusable on my p133 laptop (ibm 560e) until I upgraded the memory. Now with just 80Mb (16+64) it find firefox fine on a xfce desktop on linux 2.4 except on the heaviest of sites.
What machines were you testing on?
Well, I perhaps deliberately missed the point in an attempt at humour. I have failed it seems. I will now go back to normal.
I think I will start using linux now. I am very reassured by this.
The UK govermnent has always been second to none in their execution and understanding of IT projects. They are get things right first time and are consistently under budget and finish early.
I trust nobody more to speak with authority on issues like this.
BWAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
The UK GOVERNMENT!! says LINUX IS VIABLE!!!! HAHAHA!!!!
I suspect os/2 contains many bits of licensed technology which probably don't permit opening the source.
I can't say this with any authority, but for a project of that size I would be surprised if every single line of code was written by IBM internally and there are no patent licenses involved.
Oh, and those 350 TONS were stolen before American troops arrived. I'm sure we should have had troops there before we invaded, right?
No, we should have had weapons inspectors there.
But hold on, we did - until the US, Britain etc withdrew them even though they had succesfully contained and monitored Iraqs weapons for many years and were right all along when they said there was no WMD threat.
And how many tons were stolen before the weapons inspectors were pulled out?
You can find the answers to these using google.
They currently have gnome 2.8 already, but not xorg yet. xorg is planned for the next release.
notice in the sentence regarding rockstar, i said their IP distribution rights were violated. i never said anything about stealing.
I wasn't referring to the rockstar sentence, but to the analogy that followed it. I do understand what you mean now you have explained though.
is just hair splitting
Well I disagree with that. I firmly believe that the term "intellectual property theft" is deliberately designed to make people think that copyright infringement is equivalent to stealing when it is not. Saying it is a matter of semantics doesn't change that.
Stealing neccesarily results in loss for the victim. Copyright infringement only results in loss in those cases where the infringer would otherwise have paid for the product. For example, when 15 or so teenagers have unofficial copies of maya and other expensive software they have without doubt broken the law, but in most cases there has been no resulting loss because had they not used those copies they would have no copy at all. The developers have not lost anything. Of course, they have to pursue every infringement case because there is no way for them to tell the "would have bought" from the "would not have bought" cases.
This is why copyright infringement is (rightly) illegal, but is not the moral or legal equivalent of stealing.
Oh, and I wasn't preaching - just correcting a factual mistake. Whether that mistake mattered or not seems to be where we disagree.
does it make it actually okay to steal from him/her,
I only point this out in the interests of clarity. Say after me:
"COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT STEALING"
(It's illegal and widely believed to be morally wrong, but it's NOT stealing)
thanks very much.
I don't know much about all this, and I'm not disagreeing, but could you provide a link to further info about the design and the designer of the butterfly ballot please?
ISTR that rexx is pronounced like "recks ecks" rather than just "recks"
Can anyone confirm this?
well me too, but the api is nowhere near as bad as the implementation. It's the api that echo borrowed from.
You are missing something.
He means that from the development perspective it's moving away from a page based model.
In other words, the developer using the echo api codes their app much like any "normal" gui app using swing etc.
The fact that its really page based underneath is nicely hidden away.
We have been using the echo framework for over a year now and I can tell you its the nicest way I've found by a long way to develop web applications.
I wonder when the dual layer media is going to reach a sensible price.
With the recent constant reductions in price the writers will be cheaper than the discs before long.
You can skip between songs and change volume etc without _needing_ to see the screen in the dark, but you can't find phone numbers or send a text in the dark so easily.
In other works, I see your point about a phone screen but I don't think the same applies to a music player. Battery life is still more important IMO.