The police can already get warrants to tap your phone and install surveillance in your house, all without you knowing. Now they're trying to tap your computer, and you all go nuts as if this is something bad.
And so what if some cops somewhere can get any warrant they feel like? Warrants can get thrown out of court at a later date anyway, and if it's a really blatant case of invasion of privacy, you can even sue the police department. Knowing this, the cops are less likely to care about what the average joe is doing, and this law makes it easier to catch the losers who are trying to do the same thing to you (grab your credit card number, read your passwords, break into your machines).
And don't complain about this technology "getting into the wrong hands" as if it doesn't already exist (Think about it, keyboard and screen grabbers? You think this is new?). It does, and the government, and "other malicious people" can already get it if they really want.
Help the cops weed out the losers (including corrupt cops and government officials), don't hinder them. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
If we didn't, we'd still have ENIACS that take up entire buildings, cars that get 2 MPG and run at 10 MPH, and daisy-wheel printers. A lot of Japanese industry is based on improving on others' ideas. Of course, the last post was probably coming from a country that stubbornly refuses to use the English measurement system, even though the English aren't using it any more. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
You haven't uninstalled any software, nor have you installed and major non-Microsoft software, nor do you have a high-traffic site with databases, e-commerce, and the like (I don't actually know about the last one, but the first 2 are true in my experience.) -------- "I already have all the latest software."
I use the Linux 2.3 development line of kernels, which are also considered "not released". And "OF COURSE" they don't exactly "sputter along". -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Yep. I went and bought Win98 ($150!) because I was dissatisfied with Win95, and I had been brainwashed into believing that Win98 actually made things run faster. To my surprise, the only thing that made things "faster" was the new optimised defragmenter; the actual core ran slower than Win95 without IE4. I wiped it from my hard drive a while ago, and I recently sold the package to my local "computer exchange" for $50.
Bottom line: Microsoft got my money, even though I wasn't satisfied with their products.
P.S. (Wow! In a post!) I am happy to say I am a proud GNU/Linux user, and I will never again buy any crappy Microsoft product. I would rather struggle with a text editor than use MS Word for my documents.
-------- "I already have all the latest software."
Let me clarify: When Micros~1 first announces something, it probably doesn't exist yet (MS-DOS 6.0, probably Win98). Then later they develop it into a buggy product that is pushed out the door .
My point: Microsoft's release dates have not been reliable as of yet, and I expect that tradition to continue. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Let our children use Micros~1. Then when we tell them it sucks, they will know what we're talking about. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
And Win96(erm...97, wait no... 98) was going to be released in 1996. Just because Microsoft's Vapourware Announcement Department says something doesn't make it so. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Typical flamer. There are millions of cops in Canada and the US. Give me a ratio of good to bad, then say that again with a straight face. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
The era of IP rights is ending, plain and simple. They (music companies) should do damage-control while they still can. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
You all watch too many phony Hollywood formula movies.
I'm really getting sick of all you infantile whiners complaining about "invasion of privacy". Businesses and politicans might use such 'spying' technologies for their own benefit, but what will some cop benefit from watching you read the newspaper? Most of them are too busy to have time to worry about the honest citizen anyway (you're an honest citizen, aren't you?). Sure, there's the odd corrupt cop, but what's stopping him from buying this existing technology on the black market and using it on you anyway? Not much.
You would be amazed at the stupidity police have to go through every day just to do their jobs. Hours upon hours are spent composing warrants which have to be completely bulletproof, because even after a warrant is initially authorized, another judge (who is nothing more than a lawyer who sucked up to some politician) can throw it out at a later date because of a spelling mistake, making all the evidence obtained under that warrant "inadmissible". The North American justice systems are not about finding the truth, they're about lawyers playing games with people's lives; even when the truth is found, people whine about "convict's rights", instead of the rights of the victims and of the public. Good laws are made, but lawyers (judges, etc) dilute them to nothing. And we wonder why crime is so high!
So these technologies will probably be restricted by warrants anyway. Only criminals and the ignorant would oppose technologies that would help put dangerous criminals in jail.
And don't give me the old complaint about the cops wasting their time putting dopers in jail. It's bad enough we have drunks on the streets (and in our hospitals at our expense), now we should have baked dopers there too? But that's irrevalent, we're talking about dangerous criminals: people who would need a SWAT team to be dealt with. And nothing is better for SWAT teams than something that lets them see into the building they're about to hit, where YOU are being held hostage. I think then you'd be wishing you hadn't lined your walls with lead foil.
So what if the odd corrupt lame-excuse-for-a-cop is invading your privacy? There's a lot of worse people to worry about than cops. Terrorists and the like are able to get spy devices anyway. Wouldn't you like your rescuers to be able to use these devices as well?
I would. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
I am basing this on the assumption that AOL is the one that GPLled the TiK source.
If AOL GPLs something, as the copyright owner, they don't have to abide by it. HOWEVER, if they incorporate some code by some other author (who owns the copyright to his own code), they have to abide by the rules of the GPL for his code.
Bottom line: Any copyright holder can change the license (as well as release the code under different licenses) at any time, and the copyright holder itself does not have to abide by its own license terms. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Does anyone have some official documentation to this? A SiliconValley.com report on a LinuxWorld conference is not official documentation. Where's the docs?
The Linux 2.3.13 sources' logo.gif does not sport the change, and neither does Larry Ewing's site.
This is useless crap to be ignored until and unless this becomes official. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
You know, all those cracked sites saying "FREE KEVIN" may have helped the prosecution win. We all know the U.S.'s policy about terrorists: nobody pushes us around.
The gov't/justice system may have responded to these "acts of terrorism" by making an example of Mitnick. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
You insult every hacker that ever lived on the face of the earth. You try to lower all hackers to the level of a mere cracker.
Sure, a car thief might call himself a mechanic, and some [idiot] reporter[s] might call him one, but that doesn't make him one.
It's really irritating when your reputation as part of a group gets defaced because someone calls himself "one of" you. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Exactly. Anybody who knows anything about filter software knows it will never be able to be perfect (unless someone develops artificial consciousness very soon). Anyone can take a few filter programs, and run their web page through them until it gets past.
I hate censorship, and would hate to see anything banned by the government, but that doesn't mean it can't be restricted. What we need is laws that require, say, a pornographic site to respond with a HTTP header such as "Content-Restrictions: XXX". That way, filter software can work, yet information will not be censored.
This could also be used in civil law instead. If some parent wants to sue because they didn't have the header, they can, and if it did, they should have had software filtering it (or they could sue Microsoft because MS-ChildSafe crashed;-) )
(Don't start a ratings debate. The law already defines pornography, etc, so it only needs to be extended.)
[Please excuse my written-when-I-should-be-getting-some-sleep English.] -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Ontario's support for encryption and the Vancouver-based Cannabis Culture magazine mentioned in the article surely must fly in the face of the American legislators. What more does Canada need to provoke a war with the USA?
Canada does not want to be some 51st state. We don't do things just because the US does. The Internet is an insecure place, and Canadian legislators know it. They also know that criminals are stupid enough that evidence from encrypted traffic won't be needed.
As far as Cannabis Culture goes, I'd rather spend tax dollars enforcing drug laws (and letting the market kill the magazine) than going on some stupid free-speech debate.
Only you (last poster) would be dumb enough to start a war because Canada refuses to be assimilated. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
It's not that cold here?
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Finally, it's not that cold here! Sometimes I think Americans get confused because Canada's weather is always reported in Celsius, which sounds a lot colder... Where I live in Canada, the temperature almost never drops below 20 F (-7 C) in the winter, and usually stays around a comfortable 70 to 85 F (21 to 30 C) in the summer.
Move to Southern Saskatchewan/Manitoba! Wind, dust, heat. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
If I were an alien, I wouldn't appreciate spammers broadcasting to me. I'd call their [solar] System Administrator and get him/her/it to cut off their access to their star. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
Record last updated on 04-May-99. Database last updated on 2-Aug-99 16:17:08 EDT.
Bottom line: Microsoft owns the domain and the IP address, so they will get in trouble if the computer is not theirs. -------- "I already have all the latest software."
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The police can already get warrants to tap your phone and install surveillance in your house, all without you knowing. Now they're trying to tap your computer, and you all go nuts as if this is something bad.
And so what if some cops somewhere can get any warrant they feel like? Warrants can get thrown out of court at a later date anyway, and if it's a really blatant case of invasion of privacy, you can even sue the police department.
Knowing this, the cops are less likely to care about what the average joe is doing, and this law makes it easier to catch the losers who are trying to do the same thing to you (grab your credit card number, read your passwords, break into your machines).
And don't complain about this technology "getting into the wrong hands" as if it doesn't already exist (Think about it, keyboard and screen grabbers? You think this is new?). It does, and the government, and "other malicious people" can already get it if they really want.
Help the cops weed out the losers (including corrupt cops and government officials), don't hinder them.
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"I already have all the latest software."
If we didn't, we'd still have ENIACS that take up entire buildings, cars that get 2 MPG and run at 10 MPH, and daisy-wheel printers. A lot of Japanese industry is based on improving on others' ideas. Of course, the last post was probably coming from a country that stubbornly refuses to use the English measurement system, even though the English aren't using it any more.
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"I already have all the latest software."
If Micros~1 paid everyone from whom they ripped something off, they would have no money left.
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"I already have all the latest software."
You haven't uninstalled any software, nor have you installed and major non-Microsoft software, nor do you have a high-traffic site with databases, e-commerce, and the like (I don't actually know about the last one, but the first 2 are true in my experience.)
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"I already have all the latest software."
I use the Linux 2.3 development line of kernels, which are also considered "not released". And "OF COURSE" they don't exactly "sputter along".
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"I already have all the latest software."
Yep. I went and bought Win98 ($150!) because I was dissatisfied with Win95, and I had been brainwashed into believing that Win98 actually made things run faster. To my surprise, the only thing that made things "faster" was the new optimised defragmenter; the actual core ran slower than Win95 without IE4. I wiped it from my hard drive a while ago, and I recently sold the package to my local "computer exchange" for $50.
Bottom line: Microsoft got my money, even though I wasn't satisfied with their products.
P.S. (Wow! In a post!)
I am happy to say I am a proud GNU/Linux user, and I will never again buy any crappy Microsoft product. I would rather struggle with a text editor than use MS Word for my documents.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Let me clarify: When Micros~1 first announces something, it probably doesn't exist yet (MS-DOS 6.0, probably Win98). Then later they develop it into a buggy product that is pushed out the door .
My point: Microsoft's release dates have not been reliable as of yet, and I expect that tradition to continue.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Are you crazy?
Let our children use Micros~1. Then when we tell them it sucks, they will know what we're talking about.
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"I already have all the latest software."
What if we (consumers) say "Shove it!", will they?
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"I already have all the latest software."
And Win96(erm...97, wait no... 98) was going to be released in 1996. Just because Microsoft's Vapourware Announcement Department says something doesn't make it so.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Typical flamer. There are millions of cops in Canada and the US. Give me a ratio of good to bad, then say that again with a straight face.
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"I already have all the latest software."
The era of IP rights is ending, plain and simple. They (music companies) should do damage-control while they still can.
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"I already have all the latest software."
And also, imagine buying a song that could only be played in windows, with programs from ms.
A monopolist's dream.
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"I already have all the latest software."
You all watch too many phony Hollywood formula movies.
I'm really getting sick of all you infantile whiners complaining about "invasion of privacy". Businesses and politicans might use such 'spying' technologies for their own benefit, but what will some cop benefit from watching you read the newspaper? Most of them are too busy to have time to worry about the honest citizen anyway (you're an honest citizen, aren't you?). Sure, there's the odd corrupt cop, but what's stopping him from buying this existing technology on the black market and using it on you anyway? Not much.
You would be amazed at the stupidity police have to go through every day just to do their jobs. Hours upon hours are spent composing warrants which have to be completely bulletproof, because even after a warrant is initially authorized, another judge (who is nothing more than a lawyer who sucked up to some politician) can throw it out at a later date because of a spelling mistake, making all the evidence obtained under that warrant "inadmissible". The North American justice systems are not about finding the truth, they're about lawyers playing games with people's lives; even when the truth is found, people whine about "convict's rights", instead of the rights of the victims and of the public. Good laws are made, but lawyers (judges, etc) dilute them to nothing. And we wonder why crime is so high!
So these technologies will probably be restricted by warrants anyway. Only criminals and the ignorant would oppose technologies that would help put dangerous criminals in jail.
And don't give me the old complaint about the cops wasting their time putting dopers in jail. It's bad enough we have drunks on the streets (and in our hospitals at our expense), now we should have baked dopers there too? But that's irrevalent, we're talking about dangerous criminals: people who would need a SWAT team to be dealt with. And nothing is better for SWAT teams than something that lets them see into the building they're about to hit, where YOU are being held hostage. I think then you'd be wishing you hadn't lined your walls with lead foil.
So what if the odd corrupt lame-excuse-for-a-cop is invading your privacy? There's a lot of worse people to worry about than cops. Terrorists and the like are able to get spy devices anyway. Wouldn't you like your rescuers to be able to use these devices as well?
I would.
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"I already have all the latest software."
I am basing this on the assumption that AOL is the one that GPLled the TiK source.
If AOL GPLs something, as the copyright owner, they don't have to abide by it. HOWEVER, if they incorporate some code by some other author (who owns the copyright to his own code), they have to abide by the rules of the GPL for his code.
Bottom line: Any copyright holder can change the license (as well as release the code under different licenses) at any time, and the copyright holder itself does not have to abide by its own license terms.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Does anyone have some official documentation to this? A SiliconValley.com report on a LinuxWorld conference is not official documentation. Where's the docs?
The Linux 2.3.13 sources' logo.gif does not sport the change, and neither does Larry Ewing's site.
This is useless crap to be ignored until and unless this becomes official.
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"I already have all the latest software."
> Initially I read that as Australia had criminalised reverse engineering....
So did I, but I caught it earlier. Is Slashdot learning how to use subliminal messages?
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"I already have all the latest software."
You know, all those cracked sites saying "FREE KEVIN" may have helped the prosecution win. We all know the U.S.'s policy about terrorists: nobody pushes us around.
The gov't/justice system may have responded to these "acts of terrorism" by making an example of Mitnick.
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"I already have all the latest software."
You insult every hacker that ever lived on the face of the earth. You try to lower all hackers to the level of a mere cracker.
Sure, a car thief might call himself a mechanic, and some [idiot] reporter[s] might call him one, but that doesn't make him one.
It's really irritating when your reputation as part of a group gets defaced because someone calls himself "one of" you.
--------
"I already have all the latest software."
Exactly. Anybody who knows anything about filter software knows it will never be able to be perfect (unless someone develops artificial consciousness very soon). Anyone can take a few filter programs, and run their web page through them until it gets past.
;-) )
I hate censorship, and would hate to see anything banned by the government, but that doesn't mean it can't be restricted. What we need is laws that require, say, a pornographic site to respond with a HTTP header such as "Content-Restrictions: XXX". That way, filter software can work, yet information will not be censored.
This could also be used in civil law instead. If some parent wants to sue because they didn't have the header, they can, and if it did, they should have had software filtering it (or they could sue Microsoft because MS-ChildSafe crashed
(Don't start a ratings debate. The law already defines pornography, etc, so it only needs to be extended.)
[Please excuse my written-when-I-should-be-getting-some-sleep English.]
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"I already have all the latest software."
Hmmm... You seem to prefer Unix terminology. I don't recall you calling the subject: "the moderators ScanDisk up again."
:-)
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"I already have all the latest software."
Ontario's support for encryption and the Vancouver-based Cannabis Culture magazine mentioned in the article surely must fly in the face of the American legislators. What more does Canada need to provoke a war with the USA?
Canada does not want to be some 51st state. We don't do things just because the US does. The Internet is an insecure place, and Canadian legislators know it. They also know that criminals are stupid enough that evidence from encrypted traffic won't be needed.
As far as Cannabis Culture goes, I'd rather spend tax dollars enforcing drug laws (and letting the market kill the magazine) than going on some stupid free-speech debate.
Only you (last poster) would be dumb enough to start a war because Canada refuses to be assimilated.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Finally, it's not that cold here! Sometimes I think Americans get confused because Canada's weather is always reported in Celsius, which sounds a lot colder... Where I live in Canada, the temperature almost never drops below 20 F (-7 C) in the winter, and usually stays around a comfortable 70 to 85 F (21 to 30 C) in the summer.
Move to Southern Saskatchewan/Manitoba! Wind, dust, heat.
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"I already have all the latest software."
If I were an alien, I wouldn't appreciate spammers broadcasting to me. I'd call their [solar] System Administrator and get him/her/it to cut off their access to their star.
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"I already have all the latest software."
$ whois windows2000test.com
Registrant:
Microsoft Corporation (WINDOWS2000TEST-DOM)
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
Domain Name: WINDOWS2000TEST.COM
ARIN: Whois - 207.46.171.196
Microsoft (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-GLOBAL-NET)
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052-6399
US
Netname: MICROSOFT-GLOBAL-NET
Netblock: 207.46.0.0 - 207.46.255.255
Coordinator:
Whipple, David (DW727-ARIN) dwhipple@MICROSOFT.COM
206-703-3876
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
Record last updated on 04-May-99.
Database last updated on 2-Aug-99 16:17:08 EDT.
Bottom line: Microsoft owns the domain and the IP address, so they will get in trouble if the computer is not theirs.
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"I already have all the latest software."