If someone can put together a CSS that provides a readable format without distractions (color schemes, backgrounds, images) then that might be OK.
However, if anyone on LDP is trying to deliver content and starts getting caught up in some pissing match about visual delivery effectiveness and tying up resources to come up with the most effectively marketing targeted CSS format then they should be fucking killed with extreme prejudice.
The one thing this world does not need is more eye-candy at the expense of content. We have enough of that in America already that we're a joke.
Thank you George Bush Junior for pushing us back into one of the worst chapters of recent American History.
The damage this will do...
Of course every Indian programmer will be a terrorist according to slashdot.
Microsoft will declare every name on every sourceforge/freshmeat project to be a terrorist.
Microsoft will also list the EU leaders as terrorists since they levied their fine and are having their lacky US-DOJ put up a bitch about it.
Random acts of accusation will be pretty damn common.
Please, study history so we don't repeat it. I wasn't any good at it in school, but I've seen enough repeats in my years to know it's worth learning and remembering.
no it's not. It's got a crappy Memory management engine and is poorly implimented on several Unix platforms.
If it were Open Source, then you would have the ability to make Java actually work consistently on any platform available.
One of the Architecture guys where I work was telling me that because of Suns lack of support for other OS platforms (IBM, HP), and their failure to make some core improvements to the JVM, that Java was not going to survive as long as the likes of C, C++, Perl and in another decade people will be migrating off of it.
My kids are in middle school and they are approaching idiots with regard to the sciences in comparison to what I was exposed to at that grade level.
They spend more time on conflict resolution and other tree hugging ultra-liberal bullshit then they do actually getting around to solving a problem or making a better mousetrap.
America didn't get to where they are by group hugs and sing-a-longs. And the cold fact is we are about to get bypassed by everyone in the world whom we can't bomb unless we start telling johnny he's just going to have to get over it and learn math and science.
Schools in America suck really bad. They have gone ultra liberal and as such are no longer viable institutions for education.
I'm not the least bit surprised by this move and until there is sufficient economic force in the US for the jobs to exist here people won't bother. And you can't legislate economic forces.
YaST is nice and makes a great foundation for configuration. Are we talking YaST and/or YaST2? But SaX2, the X11 configuration tool, has been exceptional in my experience.
Anyone can configure a Linux machine these days, but few can get the X11 configuration working correctly.
If linux is truely aiming for the Desktop, wouldn't it make sense to have X11 configuration realiable and easy?
The real test now is coming into the configuration of peripheral devices more than the core OS and applications. Email and Web is not hard to do if you pay some attention to what you are doing.
But getting USB, FireWire, printers, sound, video all working cleanly and consistently will be the real test. Many distributions do this well to different degrees of success, but as always you have to check your hardware carefully before you buy it. This peripheral support is still a factor holding back the adoption of Linux
But consistent with the problem of obtaining a Desktop Linux is the problem with Multimedia. Multimedia support under free sucks really bad. SuSE ships with the lamest install of xine/mplayer I've ever experienced. And it's not just SuSE or Debian. It's the multimedia libraries and all the Intellectual Property bullshit. There's no innovation here folks, just territorial land grabbing.
Maybe with the EU having the balls to make a judgement against Microsoft and the chance of them sticking with it in the vote today, there's a chance that some day we'll be able to watch DVD's on our Linux computers without the need to hide in closets.
I think the release of YaST means this:
YaST2 and the entire Linux community has developed to such a point that YaST no longer holds a leading edge against the competition to the extent that it used to. As such it would be a better investment if YaST was more freely available to evolve according to the OS environment as we (SuSE/Novell) concentrated our efforts on other tools that still provide a leading edge over the competition (YaST3?, SaX2..)
This isn't to say in any way that YaST isn't still a valuable tool. But it might be a matter of, "We have a pretty good tool, lets give it back to the community.... Now that's done we can gather around another project more intensively."
Like Anaconda.
I wonder what Debian or Gentoo has to say... They need some help with this stuff, especially Gentoo.
What a sick puppy of a joke to put this guy in the movie. Whatever anyone says of him, he's not the persona of a character you would ever put into this movie.
Too bad no one read the book before putting him in the script.
If it's the company policy to not use personal cellphones at work then don't use them. But if they need you to be paged when something goes wrong at their end, then they had better pay for the tools at your end to receive those pages.
If they don't, then you should contact their finance officers about arrangements for tax deductions against the use of your personal equipment for their company.
Used to be you didn't have seperate phones to conduct your private life at work.
Used to be everyone knew this and didn't expect to be able to call you whenever they felt like shooting the shit with you.
I recently started using bogofilter as a replacement to spamassassin. The reason for doing this was curiousity and the fact that the spamassassin regex process will always be following the spammers, not preceding them. The result is packages supplied by distros are quickly outdated and ineffective.
I have been using bogofilter for one month and have trained it to such a point that my weekly spam misidentification is well below 0.1% with proper training and configuration. And it's processing time is well below 1 second per message on a VIA EPIA 533 cpu (slow, ok?)
The net outcome of this is that I have found something which is highly adaptive to new spam techniques, extremely effective, very fast and light on the resources, and is at the point now where if just works.
The idea that they, DSPAM, will provide you with a pre-defined training set. That's damaging. What if you are an oral surgeon? You'll never get any email!
I've been working intensively on spam and have come to a few conclusions about spam filtering and such that I just have to share.
It will never go away. Even if you can proper regulate and control it, spam will never go away. No matter what anyone does. If the US constitution is to remain intact you can't remove spam just as we haven't been able to remove advertisements from radio, telephone, or television. And just like you can't get rid of pornography. It's all Free Speech.
It's also carrying a lot of money.
What will happen is that corporations, in the name of reducing spam, will lock up mail servers such that you have to pay them a service fee to send email on top of your connection fees paid today. Microsofts recent movement into the arena shows that thier is a motivation to make money out of spam/email.
In a few years, we'll pay for our email and we'll still get spam
Odd. I'm still stuck on my 2.4.xx version. I tried to upgrade a few distros to 2.6 and things didn't go very well (kernel panic)
It seems to me that the number of users who have picked up 2.6 x compared to the number that picked up 2.4 from 2.2 has greatly diminished on many of the distro mailing lists. From this it seems that either the migration is uglier than anticipated, or that more people are just willing to sit back and wait for their distro to provide them with all their needs.
Who will be the first to ship kernel 2.6 by default?
What kills me is that people won't walk dark alleys at night but they fail to exercise any caution on the internet, thinking that because they are in their home, they are safe. Wake Up!
I recently suspended my daughters account on my Linux box because I caught her trying to download.exe's for windows games/spyware/adware. She'll get her account back after she goes through some reprogramming.
My house, my network, my rules.
As for my parents - Mac 9 is what they use and it's manageable. But everyone I know on Windows is just chock full of spyware, adware, socks relays... Even the ones with all the AV software installed.
Even people I thought were sane about internet use were heavily contaminated. I don't think people fully realize how truly fucked up and insecure computers are in the real world. If you don't know what you are doing, even OpenBSD can become insecure. I think you should have an operators license to surf.
Everyone in my family uses Linux with no problems.
They have access to XP, but they have no difficulties with the fact that I do not have XP available and in some cases, prefer Linux.
My 13 year old son prefers WindowMaker
My 12 year old daughter prefers KDE
My wife couldn't care less as long as it works
To make a statement that Linux should be the same across distributions is a farking joke. You're essentially telling all these people who are trying to define themselves as being difference from the competition shouldn't be allowed to do so. What are you, Socialist?
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have some effort for consistency, see LSB for details, I think that they are all trying. But at the same time, it is truely capitalistic to allow them to have deviations at the same time.
I for one do not believe that Linux has failed as a desktop computer. I think it's simply not been recognized as such by as many people. The difference you cite is popular awareness and not functional performance.
I know I'm blowing my karma points on this one, but I believe it's justified and realistic.
No business partnership or alliance of any signficance has existed with Microsoft that resulted in a mutually beneficial conclusion. To put it another way, it's like trying to make a deal with the devil.
I don't expect that sendmail will be summarily destroyed as such. But I ernestly and honestly believe that the final outcome of this venture will only result in Micorosoft obtaining an absolute choke hold on email.
To expect anything less is niave and ignorant. There is no past performance which disputes this claim. Even considering legal judgements, Microsoft will not hesitate to make "all your email belong to us".
I apologize if I come off sounding like one of the slashdot anto-microsoft zealots, or some conspiracy theorist. But think it through.
Microsoft develops a means by which all email must be reverse authenticated as to the sender. Believe me, they will patent it and everything that looks like it before the night is over. This sounds great, but then all they do is just modify the email servers to require that this proprietary reverse authentication take place or you can't send any email.
The fact that they are working with sendmail, the company and not the OS project, allows them to license this technology to a Unix platform. This allows them a foothold onto the majority of email servers, which are Unix based, and to establish the means by which they have complete ownership of all email transactions. And it will be a matter of time before sendmail.com has to turn over their assets to pay the licensing fees, but then maybe Microsoft doesn't want them able to pay the fees.
Yeah, Spam sucks. But get a clue! Spam filters account for 99+% of all the spam out there. I would rather have my 1 spam a week out of 600 then to have Microsoft telling me I have to pay royalties to send email. There is nothing cool or encouraging about this.
And the real problem here isn't the spam, or the cost of sending spam, they haven't done anything to reduce either one of these. The problem is the adolescent pimple-butts who really think that herbal viagra will give them a 36" schlong that lasts all month long. Do you really want that? It's hard to pee standing on your head!
Is this what the linux kernel development team uses? I know that a few years back they dumped CVS, but I thought it was for something proprietary and non-free, as in $$$$$
You are simply citing the differences between OS and any company.
In Open Source Development there is a Naturally driven variations. Think if it as leaves driven before the wind. Eventually most of them end up in the same place.
With any company, you do as the boss says or you're toast. Any questions?
I think there is a lot of merit in having variations in WindowManagers. I will fight that to the death. But when you have to apply layer upon layer of Glue Code to get some really useful, it implicates a problem exists. And when the various solutions are all inconsistent and independently parallel to each other, you have another implication of a potential problem.
If done correctly, most of this new code implimentation wouldn't require a visual (user aware) change to any of the existing Window Managers. However it might provide for a more consistent approach so that all buttons, labels, etc. appear the same. Today that doesn't exist unless you choose to use only a certain base library for your graphics (eg: Qt)
I'll skip the comments about how incorrect the original article is and leave it to the responses' comment about fundamental misconceptions of Open Source. But the response is really an excellent read, well thought out and showing an solid example of classical debate rebuttal.
Kudos for writing an article that the same audience that will believe DevX would understand as well. Too often the repsonse to such articles is written to an entirely different audience and on such a technical plane that those who read, and believe, the first article are often times entirely incapable of understanding the second article. It's not their fault, they are not CSE types by any stretch.
I need to install RealPlayer on my machine, so I followed your link.
It doesn't work, try it yourself.
The closest you'll get is another Flash crammed page that tries do download some EXE file without your consent. After you reject that one, you're staring at... nothing
If you can find it so easily, please help out the ignorant masses who can read by just posting the URL instead of blubbering that anymore moron with an IQ in excess of 3.14 can find it
You doe realize that this will make a hell of a case at the EU Microsoft Monopoly Appeal
They have lost in Europe because they tie their WMP into the OS and lock companies like Real out of the market. That's the case. But when they can rebuttal that Real consists of a bunch of lying dorks who do everything that can go Bait & Switch, the case may get a little weaker, "You're honor, everyone in the Computer Multimedia business is a bunch of back-stabbing, cheating, deceitful assholes. You're asking us to be non-competative!"
I'm not great lover of Microsoft products, except for their mouse, but the idea of not using IE probably won't do much in regard to web site spoofs like this. Unless you have some specifics where the exploit will only affect a MSIE product then you probably need a retraction for your own credibility.
These typically show up as something where the href tag is entirely evil, but the anchor tags are wrapped around a statement like http://www.yourbank.com. My experience has been that these are seen in email spam, but I've never seen this on a web page. I found a very well done one for paypal last week. It was pretty impressive because most of the links on the web mail form were legitimate.
Of course, if everything only sent ASCII email we wouldn't have this problem would we?
I'm not a Quantum Physicist by any stretch, just a Materials Engineer. But it seems to me that the condensates have a small issue about them. They seem to hold an extremely narrow definition of a material.
Considering solid, gases, liquids, and even plasmas, they all have a range of environmental factors within which they can exist and have some level of application/interaction to the rest of the newtonian universe. I'm not disputing that they are able to get all these little bits together, but at a billionth of a fraction above absolute zero? That's going to make for a pretty cold ride on the maglev
I seriously can't believe that there is anyone in this community who would be so immature as to consider this script kiddie anything but an internet terrorist. Sure, we all love to hate SCO but get real. SCO's a joke and we know it. Continuing to bad-mouth this already dead company is embarrassing.
As for the script kiddie. I don't care what the outcome is of his actions. He's a script kiddie and should be beaten severely, no exceptions for them.
It's an embarrassment to the OSS community that there is any perceived or real connection between Open Source and script kiddies. I was pissed to read on CNN that this action was considered to be executed by Linux Zealots.
The work that is done by Open Source software, FSF, OSDL, et al is something to be proud of because it is not only quality work, but work that is based on some pretty decent moral foundations. To make any jesture of congratulations or even acknowledgement towards this kind of behaviour erodes against all the ground that has been gained over the years.
We do not have millions of dollars available for a spin-doctoring campaign or damage control PR, but there are many who don't like OSS who do have millions to spend. Don't give them any ammunition to work with.
I heard about this on NPR radio on the way into work. They are already speculating the the EU will simply come up with a DEAL to statisfy the requirements of the penalties.
The reason stated for taking this approach is because you are dealing with the most powerful Corporation and the richest man in the world. I can only conclude that the government agency that is the EU does not believe that they can afford the litigatory costs (financial and otherwise) that might be realized if they were to stick to a judicious path.
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he's full of shit. Troll me, I don't care.
I would love to see how he is going to solve speech recognition and security when all I have to do is walk by someone and yell out:
and watch their data go down the tubes.Did anyone else catch the reference to the heavy investment in servers? All your data belongs to us!
Handwriting and speech might be cute, but you can't beat a keyboard for combination of speed and accuracy.
he's a marketing dweeb on crack trying to sell shiney beads to indians.
If someone can put together a CSS that provides a readable format without distractions (color schemes, backgrounds, images) then that might be OK.
However, if anyone on LDP is trying to deliver content and starts getting caught up in some pissing match about visual delivery effectiveness and tying up resources to come up with the most effectively marketing targeted CSS format then they should be fucking killed with extreme prejudice.
The one thing this world does not need is more eye-candy at the expense of content. We have enough of that in America already that we're a joke.
If that's the case, then what were you lighting when you farted in the cabins at summer camp all those years ago?
Careful not to burn your butt-hairs!
Thank you George Bush Junior for pushing us back into one of the worst chapters of recent American History.
The damage this will do...
Please, study history so we don't repeat it. I wasn't any good at it in school, but I've seen enough repeats in my years to know it's worth learning and remembering.
no it's not. It's got a crappy Memory management engine and is poorly implimented on several Unix platforms.
If it were Open Source, then you would have the ability to make Java actually work consistently on any platform available.
One of the Architecture guys where I work was telling me that because of Suns lack of support for other OS platforms (IBM, HP), and their failure to make some core improvements to the JVM, that Java was not going to survive as long as the likes of C, C++, Perl and in another decade people will be migrating off of it.
My kids are in middle school and they are approaching idiots with regard to the sciences in comparison to what I was exposed to at that grade level.
They spend more time on conflict resolution and other tree hugging ultra-liberal bullshit then they do actually getting around to solving a problem or making a better mousetrap.
America didn't get to where they are by group hugs and sing-a-longs. And the cold fact is we are about to get bypassed by everyone in the world whom we can't bomb unless we start telling johnny he's just going to have to get over it and learn math and science.
Schools in America suck really bad. They have gone ultra liberal and as such are no longer viable institutions for education.
I'm not the least bit surprised by this move and until there is sufficient economic force in the US for the jobs to exist here people won't bother. And you can't legislate economic forces.
This would solve all the problems for spam in the world today.
* ^From.+(aol|msn).com
beautiful!
YaST is nice and makes a great foundation for configuration. Are we talking YaST and/or YaST2? But SaX2, the X11 configuration tool, has been exceptional in my experience.
Anyone can configure a Linux machine these days, but few can get the X11 configuration working correctly.
If linux is truely aiming for the Desktop, wouldn't it make sense to have X11 configuration realiable and easy?
The real test now is coming into the configuration of peripheral devices more than the core OS and applications. Email and Web is not hard to do if you pay some attention to what you are doing.
But getting USB, FireWire, printers, sound, video all working cleanly and consistently will be the real test. Many distributions do this well to different degrees of success, but as always you have to check your hardware carefully before you buy it. This peripheral support is still a factor holding back the adoption of Linux
But consistent with the problem of obtaining a Desktop Linux is the problem with Multimedia. Multimedia support under free sucks really bad. SuSE ships with the lamest install of xine/mplayer I've ever experienced. And it's not just SuSE or Debian. It's the multimedia libraries and all the Intellectual Property bullshit. There's no innovation here folks, just territorial land grabbing.
Maybe with the EU having the balls to make a judgement against Microsoft and the chance of them sticking with it in the vote today, there's a chance that some day we'll be able to watch DVD's on our Linux computers without the need to hide in closets.
I think the release of YaST means this:
YaST2 and the entire Linux community has developed to such a point that YaST no longer holds a leading edge against the competition to the extent that it used to. As such it would be a better investment if YaST was more freely available to evolve according to the OS environment as we (SuSE/Novell) concentrated our efforts on other tools that still provide a leading edge over the competition (YaST3?, SaX2..)
This isn't to say in any way that YaST isn't still a valuable tool. But it might be a matter of, "We have a pretty good tool, lets give it back to the community.... Now that's done we can gather around another project more intensively."
Like Anaconda.
I wonder what Debian or Gentoo has to say... They need some help with this stuff, especially Gentoo.
You've got to be kidding me!
What a sick puppy of a joke to put this guy in the movie. Whatever anyone says of him, he's not the persona of a character you would ever put into this movie.
Too bad no one read the book before putting him in the script.
If it's the company policy to not use personal cellphones at work then don't use them. But if they need you to be paged when something goes wrong at their end, then they had better pay for the tools at your end to receive those pages.
If they don't, then you should contact their finance officers about arrangements for tax deductions against the use of your personal equipment for their company.
Used to be you didn't have seperate phones to conduct your private life at work.
Used to be everyone knew this and didn't expect to be able to call you whenever they felt like shooting the shit with you.
I recently started using bogofilter as a replacement to spamassassin. The reason for doing this was curiousity and the fact that the spamassassin regex process will always be following the spammers, not preceding them. The result is packages supplied by distros are quickly outdated and ineffective.
I have been using bogofilter for one month and have trained it to such a point that my weekly spam misidentification is well below 0.1% with proper training and configuration. And it's processing time is well below 1 second per message on a VIA EPIA 533 cpu (slow, ok?)
The net outcome of this is that I have found something which is highly adaptive to new spam techniques, extremely effective, very fast and light on the resources, and is at the point now where if just works.
The idea that they, DSPAM, will provide you with a pre-defined training set. That's damaging. What if you are an oral surgeon? You'll never get any email!
I've been working intensively on spam and have come to a few conclusions about spam filtering and such that I just have to share.
It will never go away. Even if you can proper regulate and control it, spam will never go away. No matter what anyone does. If the US constitution is to remain intact you can't remove spam just as we haven't been able to remove advertisements from radio, telephone, or television. And just like you can't get rid of pornography. It's all Free Speech.
It's also carrying a lot of money.
What will happen is that corporations, in the name of reducing spam, will lock up mail servers such that you have to pay them a service fee to send email on top of your connection fees paid today. Microsofts recent movement into the arena shows that thier is a motivation to make money out of spam/email.
In a few years, we'll pay for our email and we'll still get spam
Odd. I'm still stuck on my 2.4.xx version. I tried to upgrade a few distros to 2.6 and things didn't go very well (kernel panic)
It seems to me that the number of users who have picked up 2.6 x compared to the number that picked up 2.4 from 2.2 has greatly diminished on many of the distro mailing lists. From this it seems that either the migration is uglier than anticipated, or that more people are just willing to sit back and wait for their distro to provide them with all their needs.
Who will be the first to ship kernel 2.6 by default?
I don't think you can surf in perfect security
Not without using your brain.
What kills me is that people won't walk dark alleys at night but they fail to exercise any caution on the internet, thinking that because they are in their home, they are safe. Wake Up!
I recently suspended my daughters account on my Linux box because I caught her trying to download .exe's for windows games/spyware/adware. She'll get her account back after she goes through some reprogramming.
My house, my network, my rules.
As for my parents - Mac 9 is what they use and it's manageable. But everyone I know on Windows is just chock full of spyware, adware, socks relays... Even the ones with all the AV software installed.
Even people I thought were sane about internet use were heavily contaminated. I don't think people fully realize how truly fucked up and insecure computers are in the real world. If you don't know what you are doing, even OpenBSD can become insecure. I think you should have an operators license to surf.
Everyone in my family uses Linux with no problems.
They have access to XP, but they have no difficulties with the fact that I do not have XP available and in some cases, prefer Linux.
My 13 year old son prefers WindowMaker
My 12 year old daughter prefers KDE
My wife couldn't care less as long as it works
To make a statement that Linux should be the same across distributions is a farking joke. You're essentially telling all these people who are trying to define themselves as being difference from the competition shouldn't be allowed to do so. What are you, Socialist?
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have some effort for consistency, see LSB for details, I think that they are all trying. But at the same time, it is truely capitalistic to allow them to have deviations at the same time.
I for one do not believe that Linux has failed as a desktop computer. I think it's simply not been recognized as such by as many people. The difference you cite is popular awareness and not functional performance.
I know I'm blowing my karma points on this one, but I believe it's justified and realistic.
No business partnership or alliance of any signficance has existed with Microsoft that resulted in a mutually beneficial conclusion. To put it another way, it's like trying to make a deal with the devil.
I don't expect that sendmail will be summarily destroyed as such. But I ernestly and honestly believe that the final outcome of this venture will only result in Micorosoft obtaining an absolute choke hold on email.
To expect anything less is niave and ignorant. There is no past performance which disputes this claim. Even considering legal judgements, Microsoft will not hesitate to make "all your email belong to us".
I apologize if I come off sounding like one of the slashdot anto-microsoft zealots, or some conspiracy theorist. But think it through.
Microsoft develops a means by which all email must be reverse authenticated as to the sender. Believe me, they will patent it and everything that looks like it before the night is over. This sounds great, but then all they do is just modify the email servers to require that this proprietary reverse authentication take place or you can't send any email.
The fact that they are working with sendmail, the company and not the OS project, allows them to license this technology to a Unix platform. This allows them a foothold onto the majority of email servers, which are Unix based, and to establish the means by which they have complete ownership of all email transactions. And it will be a matter of time before sendmail.com has to turn over their assets to pay the licensing fees, but then maybe Microsoft doesn't want them able to pay the fees.
Yeah, Spam sucks. But get a clue! Spam filters account for 99+% of all the spam out there. I would rather have my 1 spam a week out of 600 then to have Microsoft telling me I have to pay royalties to send email. There is nothing cool or encouraging about this.
And the real problem here isn't the spam, or the cost of sending spam, they haven't done anything to reduce either one of these. The problem is the adolescent pimple-butts who really think that herbal viagra will give them a 36" schlong that lasts all month long. Do you really want that? It's hard to pee standing on your head!
Is this what the linux kernel development team uses? I know that a few years back they dumped CVS, but I thought it was for something proprietary and non-free, as in $$$$$
You are simply citing the differences between OS and any company.
In Open Source Development there is a Naturally driven variations. Think if it as leaves driven before the wind. Eventually most of them end up in the same place.
With any company, you do as the boss says or you're toast. Any questions?
I think there is a lot of merit in having variations in WindowManagers. I will fight that to the death. But when you have to apply layer upon layer of Glue Code to get some really useful, it implicates a problem exists. And when the various solutions are all inconsistent and independently parallel to each other, you have another implication of a potential problem.
If done correctly, most of this new code implimentation wouldn't require a visual (user aware) change to any of the existing Window Managers. However it might provide for a more consistent approach so that all buttons, labels, etc. appear the same. Today that doesn't exist unless you choose to use only a certain base library for your graphics (eg: Qt)
I'll skip the comments about how incorrect the original article is and leave it to the responses' comment about fundamental misconceptions of Open Source. But the response is really an excellent read, well thought out and showing an solid example of classical debate rebuttal.
Kudos for writing an article that the same audience that will believe DevX would understand as well. Too often the repsonse to such articles is written to an entirely different audience and on such a technical plane that those who read, and believe, the first article are often times entirely incapable of understanding the second article. It's not their fault, they are not CSE types by any stretch.
Sounds like the same release process that Debian has had all along.
Also sounds a lot like the RedHat - Fedora release process recently announced.
Hmmm... It must work.
I wonder what SuSE will do?
I need to install RealPlayer on my machine, so I followed your link.
It doesn't work, try it yourself.
The closest you'll get is another Flash crammed page that tries do download some EXE file without your consent. After you reject that one, you're staring at ... nothing
If you can find it so easily, please help out the ignorant masses who can read by just posting the URL instead of blubbering that anymore moron with an IQ in excess of 3.14 can find it
You doe realize that this will make a hell of a case at the EU Microsoft Monopoly Appeal
They have lost in Europe because they tie their WMP into the OS and lock companies like Real out of the market. That's the case. But when they can rebuttal that Real consists of a bunch of lying dorks who do everything that can go Bait & Switch, the case may get a little weaker, "You're honor, everyone in the Computer Multimedia business is a bunch of back-stabbing, cheating, deceitful assholes. You're asking us to be non-competative!"
I'm not great lover of Microsoft products, except for their mouse, but the idea of not using IE probably won't do much in regard to web site spoofs like this. Unless you have some specifics where the exploit will only affect a MSIE product then you probably need a retraction for your own credibility.
These typically show up as something where the href tag is entirely evil, but the anchor tags are wrapped around a statement like http://www.yourbank.com. My experience has been that these are seen in email spam, but I've never seen this on a web page. I found a very well done one for paypal last week. It was pretty impressive because most of the links on the web mail form were legitimate.
Of course, if everything only sent ASCII email we wouldn't have this problem would we?
I'm not a Quantum Physicist by any stretch, just a Materials Engineer. But it seems to me that the condensates have a small issue about them. They seem to hold an extremely narrow definition of a material.
Considering solid, gases, liquids, and even plasmas, they all have a range of environmental factors within which they can exist and have some level of application/interaction to the rest of the newtonian universe. I'm not disputing that they are able to get all these little bits together, but at a billionth of a fraction above absolute zero? That's going to make for a pretty cold ride on the maglev
I seriously can't believe that there is anyone in this community who would be so immature as to consider this script kiddie anything but an internet terrorist. Sure, we all love to hate SCO but get real. SCO's a joke and we know it. Continuing to bad-mouth this already dead company is embarrassing.
As for the script kiddie. I don't care what the outcome is of his actions. He's a script kiddie and should be beaten severely, no exceptions for them.
It's an embarrassment to the OSS community that there is any perceived or real connection between Open Source and script kiddies. I was pissed to read on CNN that this action was considered to be executed by Linux Zealots.
The work that is done by Open Source software, FSF, OSDL, et al is something to be proud of because it is not only quality work, but work that is based on some pretty decent moral foundations. To make any jesture of congratulations or even acknowledgement towards this kind of behaviour erodes against all the ground that has been gained over the years.
We do not have millions of dollars available for a spin-doctoring campaign or damage control PR, but there are many who don't like OSS who do have millions to spend. Don't give them any ammunition to work with.
I heard about this on NPR radio on the way into work. They are already speculating the the EU will simply come up with a DEAL to statisfy the requirements of the penalties.
The reason stated for taking this approach is because you are dealing with the most powerful Corporation and the richest man in the world. I can only conclude that the government agency that is the EU does not believe that they can afford the litigatory costs (financial and otherwise) that might be realized if they were to stick to a judicious path.