Only in the short term. In the long term devices such as this, and the tools needed to work with them will be strictly controlled and only licensed individuals will get access ( most likely defense contractors. Hobbyists don't need to apply ).
Code submission, auditing and other real-time monitoring will just be the beginning.
Will there ever be an expanding economy when there is no cheap labor left?
There are always robots, which is the final end game for most of this stuff. But with no manufacturing staff left, your purchasing base goes into the toilet.
Works fine for groceries and many other companies. its all about volume. Sounds like capitalism is really starting to take root over there, at least the 'greed' component of it.
While i see what you are trying to say, i do have to disagree with the conclusions that it reduces sales. You still have to wait to get the book and you get the same amount of time per 'loan'. The # of potential readers do not increase due to it being electronic ( or decrease ). Unless we are talking different loan model here? I'm talking the model all libraries around me use. In their case the only real difference is that you read it on your reader, not a dead tree version. ( some even bring the dead tree version to you, and pick it up... )
True, i agree there is a risk of damage and required replacement over *decades* but that does not happen often enough to make a measurable impact in sales per title, and if they are relying on a business model that relies on 'accidents' they deserve to be removed from content ecosystem.
Book retirement, well that would work the same, when no one is checking out the book it quietly goes away. Tho in the case of dead tree, it gets sold off yet again to land in someones home library that often couldn't afford ( or find, if its out of print, which is often ) a copy new.
I'm not paying to check out the paper book either. So what was your point again?
The library still has a finite number of 'copies' to loan, be them paper or digital so it isn't really 'unlimited' in that sense. I still have to wait in the same line regardless. And i get to keep it the same amount of time before i have to renew or let it go back into the pot for the next guy. The library still had to pay for the e-copies, so there really is no difference, to the publisher. To the library its a huge difference as there is zero labor and floor space involved.
if you want to talk 'degradation of books' and having to 're-buy' them over time, i can still easily check out copies of books that are 50 years ( or more ) old. ( even older is available, but often times its restricted to in house viewing only ) So that isn't a good argument ether.
Really, if the publishers would wake up and stop being a burden to progress like the *IAAs are, they would see its a null issue at worst. At best it might even help them with sales as more people will want an easy purchase route of the book from the library so they can read it anytime they want.
So which is it? Am I going to be able to drop a router in my house and run my wireless LAN on different frequencies, or is this just going to be another segment of licensed spectrum for selling wireless broadband?
You really need to ask this question? Of course its not "for" us, except for us to buy products based on it.
If you let them. If it does not make business sense to allow 'ownership' like this in your environment, then just set policy and be done with it. There is no magic here.
Who needs them? Lets fragment everything to the point nothing is inoperable and once you choose a vendor you are truly locked into their infrastructure.
Some of us use a 'smart phone' as a PDA, as we have bee carrying a PDA since the newton. I do agree however, that having universal mobile data is a nice plus, but not required in this case.
The only alternative for us to a 'smart phone' would be to get something like a ipod touch, since the PDA market is toast. Or i suppose you could get a used ( outright purchase ) phone and not get any service for it.
While i was joking about the 'winners making the rules' part, ethics are most definitely relative.
While you may look out across your privileged landscape full of like mined people and see one set of rules to live by, if you venture far enough away ( either in actual physical distance or more abstract societal difference ) you will find that the 'rules' do change. Sometimes rather significantly.
And when you get there, who is right and who is wrong wont be quite as clear cut as you believe it to be now. In reality few things are nice and neatly defined..
I can understand pulling it from the repositories for future installs, but from a user that installed it while the license was still in effect? Really uncool.
Aside from pissing people off in general, just think of all the production servers they may kill by doing this. And the lost customers, time, money..
Easily spotted by the professional i agree, but most times you get asked by a passer-by, or a receptionist: 'hey, i don't recognize you, you new around here?'
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Only in the short term. In the long term devices such as this, and the tools needed to work with them will be strictly controlled and only licensed individuals will get access ( most likely defense contractors. Hobbyists don't need to apply ).
Code submission, auditing and other real-time monitoring will just be the beginning.
Will there ever be an expanding economy when there is no cheap labor left?
There are always robots, which is the final end game for most of this stuff. But with no manufacturing staff left, your purchasing base goes into the toilet.
Works fine for groceries and many other companies. its all about volume. Sounds like capitalism is really starting to take root over there, at least the 'greed' component of it.
Its still too much, even at $10.95.
While i see what you are trying to say, i do have to disagree with the conclusions that it reduces sales. You still have to wait to get the book and you get the same amount of time per 'loan'. The # of potential readers do not increase due to it being electronic ( or decrease ). Unless we are talking different loan model here? I'm talking the model all libraries around me use. In their case the only real difference is that you read it on your reader, not a dead tree version. ( some even bring the dead tree version to you, and pick it up... )
True, i agree there is a risk of damage and required replacement over *decades* but that does not happen often enough to make a measurable impact in sales per title, and if they are relying on a business model that relies on 'accidents' they deserve to be removed from content ecosystem.
Book retirement, well that would work the same, when no one is checking out the book it quietly goes away. Tho in the case of dead tree, it gets sold off yet again to land in someones home library that often couldn't afford ( or find, if its out of print, which is often ) a copy new.
They don't get it now, but i can see them trying to milk us citizens if they can get away with it.
All it will do is breed discontent, just as we have for the music industry.
I'm not paying to check out the paper book either. So what was your point again?
The library still has a finite number of 'copies' to loan, be them paper or digital so it isn't really 'unlimited' in that sense. I still have to wait in the same line regardless. And i get to keep it the same amount of time before i have to renew or let it go back into the pot for the next guy. The library still had to pay for the e-copies, so there really is no difference, to the publisher. To the library its a huge difference as there is zero labor and floor space involved.
if you want to talk 'degradation of books' and having to 're-buy' them over time, i can still easily check out copies of books that are 50 years ( or more ) old. ( even older is available, but often times its restricted to in house viewing only ) So that isn't a good argument ether.
Really, if the publishers would wake up and stop being a burden to progress like the *IAAs are, they would see its a null issue at worst. At best it might even help them with sales as more people will want an easy purchase route of the book from the library so they can read it anytime they want.
So which is it? Am I going to be able to drop a router in my house and run my wireless LAN on different frequencies, or is this just going to be another segment of licensed spectrum for selling wireless broadband?
You really need to ask this question? Of course its not "for" us, except for us to buy products based on it.
If you let them. If it does not make business sense to allow 'ownership' like this in your environment, then just set policy and be done with it. There is no magic here.
Ah, bloatware/malware/adware.
One more vendor to avoid.
Who needs them? Lets fragment everything to the point nothing is inoperable and once you choose a vendor you are truly locked into their infrastructure.
I say boycott it.
Sort of puts a dent in things for those people.
Besides, why turn it off? Just tell people they don't have to deal with after hours email. Problem solved.
So this means you don't do business with GoDaddy. Don't support companies that want to infringe on you.
You can say "just don't pick up" or "just don't set up the corporate email" but when you have the capability there is a natural tendency to use it
Sounds like personal problem to me. No, really. If you cant just 'say no' then you have issues.
Some of us use a 'smart phone' as a PDA, as we have bee carrying a PDA since the newton. I do agree however, that having universal mobile data is a nice plus, but not required in this case.
The only alternative for us to a 'smart phone' would be to get something like a ipod touch, since the PDA market is toast. Or i suppose you could get a used ( outright purchase ) phone and not get any service for it.
Good luck with that.
Companies try doing this all the time now, by offering free stuff along with 'dont forget to like us'
how is this guy any different?
i totally disagree.
While i was joking about the 'winners making the rules' part, ethics are most definitely relative.
While you may look out across your privileged landscape full of like mined people and see one set of rules to live by, if you venture far enough away ( either in actual physical distance or more abstract societal difference ) you will find that the 'rules' do change. Sometimes rather significantly.
And when you get there, who is right and who is wrong wont be quite as clear cut as you believe it to be now. In reality few things are nice and neatly defined..
Oh, i know its ubuntu that is doing it.. And the story says its yanking previously installed copies, which is not right.
Sure, pull it off the shelves, but who gives them the right to come out to my house and pull off my existing water pump, leaving me stranded?
I can understand pulling it from the repositories for future installs, but from a user that installed it while the license was still in effect? Really uncool.
Aside from pissing people off in general, just think of all the production servers they may kill by doing this. And the lost customers, time, money..
And the standards are written by the victors.
Easily spotted by the professional i agree, but most times you get asked by a passer-by, or a receptionist: 'hey, i don't recognize you, you new around here?'
For the home user, that should be plenty. If you are doing some sort of business, if you need more is it too much to ask to pony up a few bucks?
shhhh stop confusing people with facts.