Umm read what i posted again " If you want to go faster, you pay more", still using the 'bandwidth not bytes' concept.. So no, im not limiting anyone to any particular rate.
And i really don't care what people *want*, its what has to be done unless you want it *really* bad like the ISPs are proposing. They are overselling and going to make us pay the penalty so they can screw us even more.
And then we can kiss the 'public' internet goodbye as it heads back to a mostly 'commercial' network as only companies will be able to justify/afford the bill.
Too bad most of you young people don't even remember how bad it was when it was all metered service. ( even in the BBS days, lots had limits on use ) None of the real time communication we have today would have been practical, and downloads, well they were almost out of the question. Trying to get a few files would easily push you over your monthly limit and you were stuck until next month to even read your mail.
This will kill small businesses who rely on people idly surfing to find their products..
Whatever protocol you use (BT, eMule, or HTTP download) doesn't interest the ISP, all they want to do is move non-interactive usage to off-peak times so that interactive usage during the evening works for everyone.
No, all they want to do is milk us for every dime they can.
Going the route of the cell phone means there will be few 'unencumbered' laptops floating around and they will all be tied to some service, which will limit what you can and cant do with them.
Or #4: Throttle all your traffic at a paid for predictable level, but still allow unlimited use at that rate per month. ( i see the AU model as being the opposite.. variable speed, but a cap on amount of total data, am i wrong? )
In other words, actually provide what you are selling.
And yes i know technically its effect is capping your actual usage at Xmb a month, but its predictable and your allocation wont run out 1/2 thru the month if you happen to get hit with a DoS or a huge amount of spam. Its 100% predicable. You now you get Xmb/s all month long and no hassles.
If you want to go faster, you pay more. But, again, no overselling of the lines, you have to sell what you actually have.
I had a similar problem just before my isp was bought by comcast.
They doubled our rates, then sent me a complaint the next month that i was using too much bandwidth.. wtf?
They refused to tell me what the new limit was so i could throttle my router ( there was no limit before ).. then finally admitted there was still no limit and 'just be reasonable'.
If you don't have the bandwidth, don't advertise it as being there to suck customers in. Should be considered bait/swtich.
BS. This is like saying its 'for the children' while the government takes your rights by the bucketful.
This is just a "public friendly" way for the *AA to get their way without the average Joe having a clue it happened. Make it so expensive to download that its cheaper to buy their crap at the store ( and if you actually do buy it online, you get to pay more ).
They cant stop things via technology, so they will kill it ( and most everything else online in the process ) via monetary.
And you get to pay for incoming spam to boot. Grrr
So you also want to pay per mile of road you use? No, bandwidth should be flat rate. Just like roads and air.
The ONLY reason the internet is what it is today was the switch away from that archaic pricing structure. ( think CompuServe and the old school AOL ).
This is 2008, it doesn't mean something from 5000 years ago still applies. ( i suppose you also propose we trade chickens for bandwidth? And how about offering a cow before you can get married? )
Hence the true psychopaths in government try to reduce guns in the hands of law-abiding people through "gun-control"
Crime is the excuse, and that sounds good to ignorant people.
Just look at England with all of the CCTVs(Is my sig ironic now...?) and the antisocial behavior law. Gun control worked pretty well for Germany and Russia.:)
Follow Mr. Jefferson's advice: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I totally agree with him, however the only problem is you need a general populace that is willing to join in. A few martyrs wont get the job accomplished when most of the people are sheep.
They want to kill us, and are actively preparing to do so. I consider that an issue. I didn't state the % of risk and wont even get sucked into that discussion, only that its an issue.
And you don't think that is the ultimate goal, to kill off the internet as we know it ( and most digital media devices ) and return to the old form of 'media distribution' where they had pretty much total control?
Sneak it in the back door via treaties that trump sovereign laws.
Im glad our collective governments have all the real issues of the world solved ( like famine, disease, terrorists , etc ) and can focus on such important things as saving some corporate entity from having to adapt to the future.. ( and make us all criminals in the process )
Lets say they do get declared a monopoly. What happens to them? From the record of late, nothing. They walk away with a token slap, while they keep their market share.
2 different sites, but admittedly in the same large city. Tested each year new ones are added to the vault. Every 10 years they will be 'refreshed' with a duplicate of the original. ( either in the same format, or newer if one exists by then, such as moving floppies to tape, or old emerald tapes to DVD )
Actually there are 3 copies, 2 off site for safety and one onsite for quick recovery incase of an 'oops'. ( one off-site also mirrors hardware to an extent, as its the official disaster recovery site )
And ya, doing this with the critical data does take some labor, but i feel its well worth it to mitigate a total disaster which could totally destroy the company.
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Umm read what i posted again " If you want to go faster, you pay more", still using the 'bandwidth not bytes' concept.. So no, im not limiting anyone to any particular rate.
And i really don't care what people *want*, its what has to be done unless you want it *really* bad like the ISPs are proposing. They are overselling and going to make us pay the penalty so they can screw us even more.
And your alliterative will be? There will be no incentive to fix those problems now.
Bend over and take it.
So have they fixed the spam problem, or do we get charged for all our non-solicited traffic?
Ya, thats what i thought. Why should they fix it now? It means more revenue for them.
This will raise hosting rates too i bet. No more dinky 5 dollar a month web-pages or mailing lists.
And then we can kiss the 'public' internet goodbye as it heads back to a mostly 'commercial' network as only companies will be able to justify/afford the bill.
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Too bad most of you young people don't even remember how bad it was when it was all metered service. ( even in the BBS days, lots had limits on use ) None of the real time communication we have today would have been practical, and downloads, well they were almost out of the question. Trying to get a few files would easily push you over your monthly limit and you were stuck until next month to even read your mail.
This will kill small businesses who rely on people idly surfing to find their products
Online gaming.. another casualty.
Whatever protocol you use (BT, eMule, or HTTP download) doesn't interest the ISP, all they want to do is move non-interactive usage to off-peak times so that interactive usage during the evening works for everyone.
No, all they want to do is milk us for every dime they can.I think they are of value to some techies, and with a lot of non techies they are even overkill.
Ever lug around a heavy laptop all day on service calls? Id have loved to have some of these things back then..
That was my thought too.
Going the route of the cell phone means there will be few 'unencumbered' laptops floating around and they will all be tied to some service, which will limit what you can and cant do with them.
Back when i was still in the network field service business, you really couldn't plan ahead much. "Fires" don't happen on a schedule.
The maintenance and move/add/change crews, ya they could plan and schedule.
When he called it an 'emergency repair kit', i equate that with the service side, not the maintenance/MAC side.
Or #4: Throttle all your traffic at a paid for predictable level, but still allow unlimited use at that rate per month. ( i see the AU model as being the opposite.. variable speed, but a cap on amount of total data, am i wrong? )
In other words, actually provide what you are selling.
And yes i know technically its effect is capping your actual usage at Xmb a month, but its predictable and your allocation wont run out 1/2 thru the month if you happen to get hit with a DoS or a huge amount of spam. Its 100% predicable. You now you get Xmb/s all month long and no hassles.
If you want to go faster, you pay more. But, again, no overselling of the lines, you have to sell what you actually have.
I had a similar problem just before my isp was bought by comcast.
They doubled our rates, then sent me a complaint the next month that i was using too much bandwidth.. wtf?
They refused to tell me what the new limit was so i could throttle my router ( there was no limit before ).. then finally admitted there was still no limit and 'just be reasonable'.
If you don't have the bandwidth, don't advertise it as being there to suck customers in. Should be considered bait/swtich.
No, it doesn't 'work'. You are just stuck with it.
BS. This is like saying its 'for the children' while the government takes your rights by the bucketful.
This is just a "public friendly" way for the *AA to get their way without the average Joe having a clue it happened. Make it so expensive to download that its cheaper to buy their crap at the store ( and if you actually do buy it online, you get to pay more ).
They cant stop things via technology, so they will kill it ( and most everything else online in the process ) via monetary.
And you get to pay for incoming spam to boot. Grrr
Never said it was right. But it happens every time we sign a treaty like this.
So you also want to pay per mile of road you use? No, bandwidth should be flat rate. Just like roads and air.
The ONLY reason the internet is what it is today was the switch away from that archaic pricing structure. ( think CompuServe and the old school AOL ).
This is 2008, it doesn't mean something from 5000 years ago still applies. ( i suppose you also propose we trade chickens for bandwidth? And how about offering a cow before you can get married? )
Crime is the excuse, and that sounds good to ignorant people.
Just look at England with all of the CCTVs(Is my sig ironic now...?) and the antisocial behavior law. Gun control worked pretty well for Germany and Russia.
They are one of many. Its just an example.
They want to kill us, and are actively preparing to do so. I consider that an issue. I didn't state the % of risk and wont even get sucked into that discussion, only that its an issue.
Its not about P2P as much as it is about the beginning of restriction of speech and information.
It may not be some grand scheme, but it is the end result
And you don't think that is the ultimate goal, to kill off the internet as we know it ( and most digital media devices ) and return to the old form of 'media distribution' where they had pretty much total control?
Sneak it in the back door via treaties that trump sovereign laws.
Im glad our collective governments have all the real issues of the world solved ( like famine, disease, terrorists , etc ) and can focus on such important things as saving some corporate entity from having to adapt to the future.. ( and make us all criminals in the process )
Can you say 'one world government by proxy' ?
Lets say they do get declared a monopoly. What happens to them? From the record of late, nothing. They walk away with a token slap, while they keep their market share.
And we tax payers got to foot the bill.
There are a few areas like that here in the states too. I refuse to live there or do business with those areas.
Thankfully most of the country isn't like that and still honours our constitutional rights.
They restrict weapon sales too, which are *totally* legal if done according to the state/federal rules.
The last 2 places i worked for did this, but i agree not all are this thorough. I've seen clients that didn't have *any* backup.
2 different sites, but admittedly in the same large city. Tested each year new ones are added to the vault. Every 10 years they will be 'refreshed' with a duplicate of the original. ( either in the same format, or newer if one exists by then, such as moving floppies to tape, or old emerald tapes to DVD )
Actually there are 3 copies, 2 off site for safety and one onsite for quick recovery incase of an 'oops'. ( one off-site also mirrors hardware to an extent, as its the official disaster recovery site )
And ya, doing this with the critical data does take some labor, but i feel its well worth it to mitigate a total disaster which could totally destroy the company.