Dunno what to tell you. I've got Gentoo running on 8 machines ATM, and have never had a serious problem making it do anything. (Although it was fun trying to install on a SCSI adapter that I had no idea what it was... for m in *.o; do modprobe $m; done *crash* fuck! rinse repeat)
I don't know if you had incompatible hardware or what, but it's always been a (definately not production-level) solid OS for me.
I don't, but yeah, someone I know does, I'm pretty sure. You must mean "know personally", or you'd be able to answer your own question, because it's not necessary to be friends with a person to get information out of them. If he didn't know, a couple hours of Google or maybe even a couple hundred dollars spent on books would tell me how to do it. Somebody in the bronze age, however, couldn't tell me how to make steel no matter how long I gave them.
The thing is, I don't need to know how to make stainless steel. I'll bet 90-95% of the people that know how to make stainless steel couldn't tell me how to implement a linked list or a red-black tree. There's a good chance that the guy who knew how to make bronze also knew how to rotate crops, but there's so much more information today that it would be impossible for everyone to know everything about our science and culture. We're more specialized and more dependant on each other, but this allows us to have things like antibiotics, people farming for more than subsistence, vacations to Maui, and tech support.
I guess it's debatable whether we're smarter than they were, but there's no question that we have a better standard of living than they did. Just because they may have been able to recreate their society after a nuclear blast doesn't make them better than us. We could recreate their culture if we wanted to, it just sucked.;)
I'm not arguing with your main point here, but praise and acknowledgement suck monkey balls. I'm generally "acknowledged" as one of the best at my job in my department, sometimes I'm told I'm the best. I'm "praised" when I find/fix a problem that nobody else could figure out. It hasn't gotten me jack or shit.
I used to get all warm and fuzzy inside over it, but after two years of getting the "maximum" raise of 4% plus the general 3% cost of living raise, I'm about sick and tired of praise and acknowledgement. As a matter of fact, I wish I didn't get either, since it's become annoying to me that I have to pretend to give a fuck. If I didn't, my psychotic managers would start screwing me over at every opportunity because their feelings would be hurt, and I would actually end up being penalized for doing a better job than 98% of the people I work with!
Fuck praise and acknowledgement, fuck them in their stupid asses. Show me the money, and stop making me work 'till midnight on Friday.
Buahahaha... I am one of those jackasses. There's no problem 6 10s and a 1200 watt Rockford Fosgate can't fix. Having a rock concert on wheels comes in handy. I can't wait to get a 42v car.
Seriously, though, I'm not a fan of those idiots that slam their bass in residential areas. They piss off the people that live there and then they make laws, and no one likes that.
Built in help is useless??? Ha! I got started programming by turning Nibbles into a 4-player "network " game and turning off the sound (computer class was boring). From there, I started writing my own menu apps and simple "avoid the walls" type games. I never found the QBasic documentation lacking. Get QBasic for MS-DOS 6.22.
Yeah, basically. If it's what they learn first, it'll come easily to them. Besides, it's less abstract than procedural. You want to have a button in your program? Make a class Button. Define what it does. You can tackle tougher things like a button base class that defines its abstract behavior and a derived class that defines it's interface later.
Kids are smart. They learn a lot faster than us adults do. Just imagine how far along you'd be now if you were tackling polymorphism at 10...
I'd have to disagree with you on the Ruby thing. I decided to check it out after hearing the buzz here, and I fell in love with it in the first hour.
Picking up the syntax took about 15 minutes. Granted, I already know ~15 languages so I have an advantage there, but other than the blocks and iterator usage, it's pretty standard stuff. My knowing other languages actually probably hurt me when it came to the iterators and blocks. For someone's first language, I can think of very little that would teach what they need to know for today and the future's programming tasks. It's got very good OOP support, exceptions, and a nice clean syntax.
Oh, and mandatory braces? Not sure what you mean there. There's very little use of {} in Ruby. [] is used for hash and array access, not much different than any other language. The regexes... I dunno, I've never had a problem with them, but I do see how they might be seen as confusing at first. If you're teaching the language, just ignore them until you're ready for them.
Slashdot Mirror
1.) Somebody being stuffed headfirst into a wood chipper.
2.) A sumo wrestler.
3.) Someboy eating a tomato.
4.) A guy in a robot suit with a jetpack.
5.) Two people in giant hats with just their legs sticking out.
6.) A robotic spider.
7.) Fly-man.
8.) Two people blowing smoke at each other.
9.) That guy got a new robot suit.
10.) A demon.
You want to kill your father and have sex with your mother, duh. Freud's easy ;)
Gravity.
er... modprobe `echo $m | awk -F . '{ print $1 }'`
Dunno what to tell you. I've got Gentoo running on 8 machines ATM, and have never had a serious problem making it do anything. (Although it was fun trying to install on a SCSI adapter that I had no idea what it was... for m in *.o; do modprobe $m; done *crash* fuck! rinse repeat)
I don't know if you had incompatible hardware or what, but it's always been a (definately not production-level) solid OS for me.
AOL
The thing is, I don't need to know how to make stainless steel. I'll bet 90-95% of the people that know how to make stainless steel couldn't tell me how to implement a linked list or a red-black tree. There's a good chance that the guy who knew how to make bronze also knew how to rotate crops, but there's so much more information today that it would be impossible for everyone to know everything about our science and culture. We're more specialized and more dependant on each other, but this allows us to have things like antibiotics, people farming for more than subsistence, vacations to Maui, and tech support.
I guess it's debatable whether we're smarter than they were, but there's no question that we have a better standard of living than they did. Just because they may have been able to recreate their society after a nuclear blast doesn't make them better than us. We could recreate their culture if we wanted to, it just sucked. ;)
Great, I can't tell you how to best mix bronze. Could they tell me how to make stainless steel?
She has a face?
I'm not arguing with your main point here, but praise and acknowledgement suck monkey balls. I'm generally "acknowledged" as one of the best at my job in my department, sometimes I'm told I'm the best. I'm "praised" when I find/fix a problem that nobody else could figure out. It hasn't gotten me jack or shit.
I used to get all warm and fuzzy inside over it, but after two years of getting the "maximum" raise of 4% plus the general 3% cost of living raise, I'm about sick and tired of praise and acknowledgement. As a matter of fact, I wish I didn't get either, since it's become annoying to me that I have to pretend to give a fuck. If I didn't, my psychotic managers would start screwing me over at every opportunity because their feelings would be hurt, and I would actually end up being penalized for doing a better job than 98% of the people I work with!
Fuck praise and acknowledgement, fuck them in their stupid asses. Show me the money, and stop making me work 'till midnight on Friday.
Meh, I need to not post right before bed...
Oh man, if I hadn't already posted you would have definately gotten my +1 funny.
Buahahaha... I am one of those jackasses. There's no problem 6 10s and a 1200 watt Rockford Fosgate can't fix. Having a rock concert on wheels comes in handy. I can't wait to get a 42v car.
Seriously, though, I'm not a fan of those idiots that slam their bass in residential areas. They piss off the people that live there and then they make laws, and no one likes that.
Bump responsibly!
Bleh, I don't care. As long as I can bump louder, that's all that really matters, isn't it?
No, it's the amperage.
Dann? Dagn? Daan? WHAT'S BEHIND THE SPLAT AAAAARGH IT'S KILLING ME!!! Damn, damn, damn, the splat. Damn it straight to hell.
Nothing is impossible in a language with peek and poke!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
=-/-===
Damn right. I first learned QBasic, then I went on to QuickBasic, then Visual Basic.
*shudder*
It took me 3 tries and about 9 months to learn C++. I'm OK now, but even looking at Basic now gives me the creeps.
An ellipsis has three dots. . .
Built in help is useless??? Ha! I got started programming by turning Nibbles into a 4-player "network " game and turning off the sound (computer class was boring). From there, I started writing my own menu apps and simple "avoid the walls" type games. I never found the QBasic documentation lacking. Get QBasic for MS-DOS 6.22.
Yeah, basically. If it's what they learn first, it'll come easily to them. Besides, it's less abstract than procedural. You want to have a button in your program? Make a class Button. Define what it does. You can tackle tougher things like a button base class that defines its abstract behavior and a derived class that defines it's interface later.
Kids are smart. They learn a lot faster than us adults do. Just imagine how far along you'd be now if you were tackling polymorphism at 10...
I'd have to disagree with you on the Ruby thing. I decided to check it out after hearing the buzz here, and I fell in love with it in the first hour.
Picking up the syntax took about 15 minutes. Granted, I already know ~15 languages so I have an advantage there, but other than the blocks and iterator usage, it's pretty standard stuff. My knowing other languages actually probably hurt me when it came to the iterators and blocks. For someone's first language, I can think of very little that would teach what they need to know for today and the future's programming tasks. It's got very good OOP support, exceptions, and a nice clean syntax.
Oh, and mandatory braces? Not sure what you mean there. There's very little use of {} in Ruby. [] is used for hash and array access, not much different than any other language. The regexes... I dunno, I've never had a problem with them, but I do see how they might be seen as confusing at first. If you're teaching the language, just ignore them until you're ready for them.
Yeah but what about PHP?
;)
while (true) {
echo 'I r00l, you dr00l!';
}
Or Ruby?
loop do
puts 'I r00l, you dr00l'
end
It hasn't gotten harder, there's just more choices. I bet it confuses us more than it confuses them
One of the best documented and easiest languages I've ever seen.
Or, not so great docs, but a much better (if not yet as featureful) language.