I love Jeff Minter and his work, but to say he stretched the ST is wrong. He had some crazy copper-type effects, but above that not much. The gameplay on the other hand ALWAYS rocked. I doff my cap to him.
I ain't bashing Microsoft and I don't spell it with a '$' either. I've spent the last 14 years programming using their tools and operating systems, so quit with thinking i'm an OSS zealot.
So read my comment again - i'm not bashing them, and at least they're doing something about spam. But for such a simple datastream, with the throughput needed, it seems unnecessary to bloat it (cpu and memory wise) by having to use an XML parser, regardless of which evil/non evil company designed it.
Would YOU like your mail to be delayed because some bright spark decided to go all trendy and use XML in the mail processing rather than something which just does the job?
... because the performance is crap. This is true on my pc (with any parser you care to name - i've tried it) so what it'd be like on a mail server handling x thousand messages a minute I have no idea.
XML is great, but only when the underlying data is sufficiently variable within a pre-defined schema and where throughput is not an issue. It's not necessary here.
Yes, but the fact it came out with zero 'false positives' means that it's handy to use in parallel with more conventional beyesian and list type spam filters.
I used to DJ myself and know a few hard house / hard trance DJs here in the UK. Not one of them would use mp3s in their set. I know a lot of famour folk use Final Scratch, and so would I if it supported the musepack codec, but they use uncompressed wavs, not mp3s. Ever heard an mp3 in a large club setting?
My fsvourite was the Atari ST one which reversed up and down on your mouse. The thing is, it was one of those things your brain just compensated for even though it happened at random, But the first time I noticed it was at 4am after a mammoth session coding a demo, and I was scared s**tless thinking my computer was haunted.
I disassembled the code and to be fair, whoever wrote it deserved a handshake for the coding genius contained within;)
So as they've been essentially let off the hook, what's to stop them doing it again under a different name? And does the fine cover the revenue they fraudulently took from people?
I can confirm this - my DLink DSL-504 ADSL router has an annoying flash animation on the login screen, it's a nightmare through low-bandwidth VNC connections. Only the later firmware updates though.
If you're on about the Atari 2600 game, which I think was called Outlaw, the cowboys simply sat down when shot. Lets face it, with those lo-res graphics, they could be firing bean bags at each other for all we know...
Fair enough, but given x number of overruns i'd prefer to get the obvious and/or easy ones of the way first. The theoretical ones get left till later. Problem with this sort of tool is that, without source profiling, it can't point you to the ones you need first.
This program might find potential buffer overruns, but it has no idea of context - most overruns come in the common interfaces between components rather than internally to an exe, bear in mind too that a (windows) exe usually spends most of its time in COM or operating system components anyway., I'd rather spend time manually checking the code which is executed 100000 times a second rather than getting told of buffer overruns in something probably never gets executed.
I'd like to know exactly how it does this, considering how much of a mess compiled/optimised c++ code can look at an assembler level. It's also unlikely to be any use on a semi-compiled runtime, such as those used by Visual Basic,.NET etc as the only 'code' is the runtime, the actual program is held in a data section.
Every Friday we take far too many 'pills' during the evenings fun and my bedroom appears to me like the Pac Man maze. I even make low frequency beeping sounds while walking around lost.
That's exactly what I did. It's nice because the xbox goes directly to the router meaning I don't need the pc turned on. The latest CVS builds have goom visualisations too, it's a nice easy thing to use when people come round for a party and you haven't sorted out the music.
You can also browse photos on the network or built in hard drive while listening to tunes btw.
Because I want to listen to music and watch films, rather than lose my non geek friends by whinging on about evil Bill.
If MS lose or make money - do I care? No. Do you? I assume so, but why should I use an inferior system to watch my films on just to stick one on Bill? I'm not an MS fan at all but people... please... can we give up the rhetoric for a bit?
Yes but it's all in one box. Some of us don't want a lot of boxes in our living romm, especially big beige ones. Further, DVD players are notoriously picky about the mp3s they play and rarely support other codecs and features such as replaygain, VBR and id3 tags.
Let me relate my situation: I have ~800 albums on my PC hard drive (all of my cds by the way). Theres a decent enough stereo system in my computer room but the home theatre setup in my living room is better. Any time me and my friends are listening to our Pink Floyd or Britney or whatever it's a pain having to leave the living room.
With the tunes on the xbox its just so much nicer and convenient sat on my sofa with the remote control. Also, to watch a DVD I don't even need to find it as it's probably already been XVid encoded and stuck on the hard drive.
Why? My Xbox is cheap and plays all my media, it also has more horsepower than the rest of those things put together.
I tell you what, when your palmos based handheld can play DVDs, DIVX, XVID, MP3, DVCAM and any of a dozen other formats on my TV with quality as good as a top-end PC then come back to me?
Or was your post nothing more than a barely-disguised advert for Linux without considering what other people want?
By the way you can run Linux on it too.
Slag off MS whenever it's relevent, which isn't here. If you have a better and cheaper way of viewing media and playing games on the living without a big-ugly ass beige PC humming away next to the TV then feel free to enlighten us.
Yes but it has an excellent 3d video sub-system, with top tv-out quality (better than most PC TV outs), dolby digital *encoding* from all sources, a remote control for $20, it's quiet and it plays games.
MiniITX is good though and at least you put some thought into your response rather than saying 'use a linux cluster instead it rocks' like some people round here. I just prefer something with a bit more video horsepower than the average £200 walmart beige-thing.
Good point and it's also a good example of open source in action - xvid decoder fixes are usually implemented in a day or two by frodo, duo or runtime and they're using lots of open source projects like mplayer. So it would be nice if the platform zealots who spell Microsoft with a '$' would give credit to a project that lots of people find useful.
The newer ones do, my friend chips a lot of xboxes and he opened one up on friday fresh from the shop with a 20gb drive. Though to be fair it's irrelevent because you can stream from a PC share anyway making the HD size a non issue.
There are already mpeg2 USB solutions for win32 that could be used for the xbox with an adaptor, including those by hauppauge. You could also put one on the ethernet port though that would need different hardware. I'm personally waiting for hauppauge dec-2000t support, this usb box picks up mpeg2 from digital terrestrial transmissions in the UK and passes them thru USB. It's not impossible and people are already looking at it.
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I love Jeff Minter and his work, but to say he stretched the ST is wrong. He had some crazy copper-type effects, but above that not much. The gameplay on the other hand ALWAYS rocked. I doff my cap to him.
Oh Pleeeeeze yourself.
I ain't bashing Microsoft and I don't spell it with a '$' either. I've spent the last 14 years programming using their tools and operating systems, so quit with thinking i'm an OSS zealot.
So read my comment again - i'm not bashing them, and at least they're doing something about spam. But for such a simple datastream, with the throughput needed, it seems unnecessary to bloat it (cpu and memory wise) by having to use an XML parser, regardless of which evil/non evil company designed it.
Would YOU like your mail to be delayed because some bright spark decided to go all trendy and use XML in the mail processing rather than something which just does the job?
... because the performance is crap. This is true on my pc (with any parser you care to name - i've tried it) so what it'd be like on a mail server handling x thousand messages a minute I have no idea.
XML is great, but only when the underlying data is sufficiently variable within a pre-defined schema and where throughput is not an issue. It's not necessary here.
sean.
Yes, but the fact it came out with zero 'false positives' means that it's handy to use in parallel with more conventional beyesian and list type spam filters.
I used to DJ myself and know a few hard house / hard trance DJs here in the UK. Not one of them would use mp3s in their set. I know a lot of famour folk use Final Scratch, and so would I if it supported the musepack codec, but they use uncompressed wavs, not mp3s. Ever heard an mp3 in a large club setting?
My fsvourite was the Atari ST one which reversed up and down on your mouse. The thing is, it was one of those things your brain just compensated for even though it happened at random, But the first time I noticed it was at 4am after a mammoth session coding a demo, and I was scared s**tless thinking my computer was haunted.
;)
I disassembled the code and to be fair, whoever wrote it deserved a handshake for the coding genius contained within
So as they've been essentially let off the hook, what's to stop them doing it again under a different name? And does the fine cover the revenue they fraudulently took from people?
I can confirm this - my DLink DSL-504 ADSL router has an annoying flash animation on the login screen, it's a nightmare through low-bandwidth VNC connections. Only the later firmware updates though.
If you're on about the Atari 2600 game, which I think was called Outlaw, the cowboys simply sat down when shot. Lets face it, with those lo-res graphics, they could be firing bean bags at each other for all we know...
Fair enough, but given x number of overruns i'd prefer to get the obvious and/or easy ones of the way first. The theoretical ones get left till later. Problem with this sort of tool is that, without source profiling, it can't point you to the ones you need first.
Damn right, I agree 100%
This program might find potential buffer overruns, but it has no idea of context - most overruns come in the common interfaces between components rather than internally to an exe, bear in mind too that a (windows) exe usually spends most of its time in COM or operating system components anyway., I'd rather spend time manually checking the code which is executed 100000 times a second rather than getting told of buffer overruns in something probably never gets executed.
I'd like to know exactly how it does this, considering how much of a mess compiled/optimised c++ code can look at an assembler level. It's also unlikely to be any use on a semi-compiled runtime, such as those used by Visual Basic, .NET etc as the only 'code' is the runtime, the actual program is held in a data section.
Every Friday we take far too many 'pills' during the evenings fun and my bedroom appears to me like the Pac Man maze. I even make low frequency beeping sounds while walking around lost.
That's exactly what I did. It's nice because the xbox goes directly to the router meaning I don't need the pc turned on. The latest CVS builds have goom visualisations too, it's a nice easy thing to use when people come round for a party and you haven't sorted out the music.
You can also browse photos on the network or built in hard drive while listening to tunes btw.
You're right I forgot about them... though MAME is the mutts nuts. Joust is so much nicer and 'old school' in front of the tv rather than the PC.
Because I want to listen to music and watch films, rather than lose my non geek friends by whinging on about evil Bill.
If MS lose or make money - do I care? No. Do you? I assume so, but why should I use an inferior system to watch my films on just to stick one on Bill? I'm not an MS fan at all but people... please... can we give up the rhetoric for a bit?
Yes but it's all in one box. Some of us don't want a lot of boxes in our living romm, especially big beige ones. Further, DVD players are notoriously picky about the mp3s they play and rarely support other codecs and features such as replaygain, VBR and id3 tags.
Let me relate my situation: I have ~800 albums on my PC hard drive (all of my cds by the way). Theres a decent enough stereo system in my computer room but the home theatre setup in my living room is better. Any time me and my friends are listening to our Pink Floyd or Britney or whatever it's a pain having to leave the living room.
With the tunes on the xbox its just so much nicer and convenient sat on my sofa with the remote control. Also, to watch a DVD I don't even need to find it as it's probably already been XVid encoded and stuck on the hard drive.
My opinion is valid because it's relevent to this thread, as in XBMP.
Yours on the other hand merely shows you're an idiot.
Fair point i'll ask him but he's not the sort of person to get his LBAs mixed up with his GBs.
Why? My Xbox is cheap and plays all my media, it also has more horsepower than the rest of those things put together.
I tell you what, when your palmos based handheld can play DVDs, DIVX, XVID, MP3, DVCAM and any of a dozen other formats on my TV with quality as good as a top-end PC then come back to me?
Or was your post nothing more than a barely-disguised advert for Linux without considering what other people want?
By the way you can run Linux on it too.
Slag off MS whenever it's relevent, which isn't here. If you have a better and cheaper way of viewing media and playing games on the living without a big-ugly ass beige PC humming away next to the TV then feel free to enlighten us.
Yes but it has an excellent 3d video sub-system, with top tv-out quality (better than most PC TV outs), dolby digital *encoding* from all sources, a remote control for $20, it's quiet and it plays games.
MiniITX is good though and at least you put some thought into your response rather than saying 'use a linux cluster instead it rocks' like some people round here. I just prefer something with a bit more video horsepower than the average £200 walmart beige-thing.
seany
Good point and it's also a good example of open source in action - xvid decoder fixes are usually implemented in a day or two by frodo, duo or runtime and they're using lots of open source projects like mplayer. So it would be nice if the platform zealots who spell Microsoft with a '$' would give credit to a project that lots of people find useful.
The newer ones do, my friend chips a lot of xboxes and he opened one up on friday fresh from the shop with a 20gb drive. Though to be fair it's irrelevent because you can stream from a PC share anyway making the HD size a non issue.
There are already mpeg2 USB solutions for win32 that could be used for the xbox with an adaptor, including those by hauppauge. You could also put one on the ethernet port though that would need different hardware. I'm personally waiting for hauppauge dec-2000t support, this usb box picks up mpeg2 from digital terrestrial transmissions in the UK and passes them thru USB. It's not impossible and people are already looking at it.