I know my original post wasn't very clear, but what I meant was bandwidth available to the consumer. Here in the UK the vast majority of us are going to be on 512kbit down / 256 up for a long time. Before that there was nothing but dialup. I'm sure fibre will happen, just now here for another 10 years in any great numbers.
Yes, but communications bandwidth doesn't advance with Moore's Law as processor speeds and disk capacity do. Yes you can compress them to current DVD resolution, but by then you'll want HD content anyways. I'm not saying this caveat will exist forever of course.
This should be built into the discs stated capacity without you having to store things multiple times. CDs and tapes use Reed Solomon and other suchlike encoding to compensate for the occasional lost data generated from wear and tear.
Data integrity does need to have priority over storage space though, I find CDs burned fast are less reliable than those burned at a slower speed. Makes the higher speeds kinda pointless.
I have a question though, is this disc format likely to be able to be 'pressed', like with factory pressed music CDs? If not, then the impact this has on your recorded music collection isn't likely to be high, if it takes 3 years to write the tunes onto the disc...
Oh, hang on, don't Linux systems get patched too? How about we don't help their distribution either?
You are a prize idiot. I hate to feed the troll, but upgrade isn't an upgrade if it *doesn't do what I need it to do*
I write software for a living - and wherever I can, I use open source. However, you can't tell millions of people out there to change overnight - you certainly can't be a prick on a messageboard posting 'yah boo sucks' type posts and expect people to take you seriously.
Cretin.
As I said in the original post - kudos to downhillbattle. They're fighting on a tight budget, for something that affects us all (the RIAA cartel). It is a smart move to use the RIAAs hated p2p to help distribution of a blatantly legal product.
They're just showing legal uses of p2p with something that could do with the help - 250mb per Windows installation is a lot of bandwidth. BitTorrent is an ideal halfway house for getting stuff out fast and helping each other out.
Hell, it's even worth you Linux users seeding the torrent. It'll mean your dsl connection gets less hammered with 0wn3d Windows boxes doing port scans.
Good on them - a lot of publicity for not much cash. Nice.
No, they're using a third party to come up with a blocklist. How can I trust that blocklist? And how does this differ from China censoring the internet? Once child porn is 'banned' from the internet, what else goes? How many sites are incorrectly sent to their blocklist by idiots with a grievance against the webmaster? Etc. You prove to me that this system is effective and fair, then i'll agree it's a good thing.
Exactly. The blacklist is generated by a childrens charity, and if they're anything like the other censorware groups they'll block the whole of geocities soon because someone has put the word 'cock' on there.
The fact they're not sharing their blacklist with the public, and that blacklisted sites simply get 404d shows that even they're not convinced as to its quality. If a blacklisted site was marked as such inappropriately, it's be a lot easier to complain about it rather than just assuming the website is down.
And lets be honest: This is going to save no kids from child pervs. Cleanfeed gives the impression of a safe internet, when it does nothing about usenet or p2p (which i'd assume have far more kiddie porn than the web), and simply serves to put kids in more danger by letting parents think they don't need to supervise their kids use of the internet. It's simply a warm fuzzy feeling for lazy parents. Great.
Rubbish. I'd like to know just how many people in the world are capable of writing a proper low-latency driver for sound card which takes full advantage of any hardware assist built in.
Having less drivers is *not* an advantage. Much as i'd love to use this programme, it's going to make little difference to the poor state of Linux sound support.
So you have friends who are stupid enough to believe that our Beloved Politicians have been bothered about robots enough to enact laws on how they are to behave?
What do you do? Send them to jail or decommission them?;)
Vrey true. The fan requirement pretty much rules it out of use in my Home Theater PC (a Shuttle cube) as the thing is loud enough already. I'd prefer slightly crippled 3d ability to get rid of that fan.
That's crap. There may be a multitude of reasons why they couldn't remove the backdoor (no access to source code, the guy who wrote it was on holiday, whatever...) but they could have at least changed the password with a hex editor to something that was difficult to type from a keyboard, low-ascii values for example.
Musepack is a wonderful format. Not only is it quicker to decode than other formats, it's also got the best psycho acoustic model and outperforms pretty much any other codec in bitrates from 128kbit/s above.
Now that the encoder is completely open-sourced and patent free, i'd like to see it adopted more. Foobar2000, the best Windows audio player available, supports MPC natively and there are plugins for everything else.
Well, the simple answer to this would be to compress something with the same codec used in a fax machine (CCITT IIRC) and then dump the binary image onto the page. Hey presto! Pretty uncompressible...
There's nothing flashy about views and stored procedures.
The reason I (and others) brought this up is because some OSS zealots, started going on about MySQL, despite it still not being a full RDBMS implementation, and not even slightly comparable to SQL Server, Oracle, DB2, Teradata et al.
Transactions? Exactly how many years behind the competition is OSS on that one?
If you used real databases, in real production environments on complex data sets, you'd see that MySQL just doesn't cut it - yet. It's great for trivial 'simple but big' datasets, but for data mining and analysis it's awful.
But this is different. Bear in mind 'CD quality' ('Red Book' audio) has been established as a base line for the last 10 years or so. Lossy compression degrades this quality by variable amounts depending on what codec is used, what the source material is and at what bitrate it is compressed. The reason for so much development on these codecs isn't to find an audio nirvana, but to minimize the loss from the source material.
I have to admit i'm surprised that aac was considered worse than mp3 at these bitrates.
I'm sticking to musepack. I've got 23000+ tunes (1700 albums-ish) on my home server, but can only casually find ~4-5 tunes which seem degraded from the original. Hardware support would be nice, though.
Any chance of you expanding on your theories? I'd especially like to know how being a 'medical student' has any bearing on whether you're talking rubbish or otherwise.
Maybe you don't understand the nature of the tests?
FWIW, with the Norah Jones track 'Creepin In' (not used in this test) I can not only ABX every codec bar musepack, I can also spot the aac and mp3 variants because of the way they degrade.
Being a medical student, I assume you understand basic psychoacoustic principles?
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I know my original post wasn't very clear, but what I meant was bandwidth available to the consumer. Here in the UK the vast majority of us are going to be on 512kbit down / 256 up for a long time. Before that there was nothing but dialup. I'm sure fibre will happen, just now here for another 10 years in any great numbers.
Yes, but communications bandwidth doesn't advance with Moore's Law as processor speeds and disk capacity do. Yes you can compress them to current DVD resolution, but by then you'll want HD content anyways. I'm not saying this caveat will exist forever of course.
I dunno. Gator changing their name to Claria seems to have worked - people still slag off Gator, not the new name.
This should be built into the discs stated capacity without you having to store things multiple times. CDs and tapes use Reed Solomon and other suchlike encoding to compensate for the occasional lost data generated from wear and tear.
Data integrity does need to have priority over storage space though, I find CDs burned fast are less reliable than those burned at a slower speed. Makes the higher speeds kinda pointless.
I have a question though, is this disc format likely to be able to be 'pressed', like with factory pressed music CDs? If not, then the impact this has on your recorded music collection isn't likely to be high, if it takes 3 years to write the tunes onto the disc...
Oh, hang on, don't Linux systems get patched too? How about we don't help their distribution either?
You are a prize idiot. I hate to feed the troll, but upgrade isn't an upgrade if it *doesn't do what I need it to do*
I write software for a living - and wherever I can, I use open source. However, you can't tell millions of people out there to change overnight - you certainly can't be a prick on a messageboard posting 'yah boo sucks' type posts and expect people to take you seriously.
Cretin.
As I said in the original post - kudos to downhillbattle. They're fighting on a tight budget, for something that affects us all (the RIAA cartel). It is a smart move to use the RIAAs hated p2p to help distribution of a blatantly legal product.
So you would rather stick one in the eye of Ballmer knowing that this will hurt the wider community?
Pathetic.
They're just showing legal uses of p2p with something that could do with the help - 250mb per Windows installation is a lot of bandwidth. BitTorrent is an ideal halfway house for getting stuff out fast and helping each other out.
Hell, it's even worth you Linux users seeding the torrent. It'll mean your dsl connection gets less hammered with 0wn3d Windows boxes doing port scans.
Good on them - a lot of publicity for not much cash. Nice.
Definitely. Some folks round here could do with remembering this, rather than taking any Linux/MS remarks personally.
No, they're using a third party to come up with a blocklist. How can I trust that blocklist? And how does this differ from China censoring the internet? Once child porn is 'banned' from the internet, what else goes? How many sites are incorrectly sent to their blocklist by idiots with a grievance against the webmaster? Etc. You prove to me that this system is effective and fair, then i'll agree it's a good thing.
Don't talk rubbish. It's kneejerk reactions like that from idiots that prompts this pointless filtering in the first place.
Exactly. The blacklist is generated by a childrens charity, and if they're anything like the other censorware groups they'll block the whole of geocities soon because someone has put the word 'cock' on there.
The fact they're not sharing their blacklist with the public, and that blacklisted sites simply get 404d shows that even they're not convinced as to its quality. If a blacklisted site was marked as such inappropriately, it's be a lot easier to complain about it rather than just assuming the website is down.
And lets be honest: This is going to save no kids from child pervs. Cleanfeed gives the impression of a safe internet, when it does nothing about usenet or p2p (which i'd assume have far more kiddie porn than the web), and simply serves to put kids in more danger by letting parents think they don't need to supervise their kids use of the internet. It's simply a warm fuzzy feeling for lazy parents. Great.
Rubbish. I'd like to know just how many people in the world are capable of writing a proper low-latency driver for sound card which takes full advantage of any hardware assist built in.
Having less drivers is *not* an advantage. Much as i'd love to use this programme, it's going to make little difference to the poor state of Linux sound support.
So you have friends who are stupid enough to believe that our Beloved Politicians have been bothered about robots enough to enact laws on how they are to behave?
;)
What do you do? Send them to jail or decommission them?
Vrey true. The fan requirement pretty much rules it out of use in my Home Theater PC (a Shuttle cube) as the thing is loud enough already. I'd prefer slightly crippled 3d ability to get rid of that fan.
Nothing - according to BT the changes should be invisible. They have to be, else there's any amount of old kit that may go wrong.
That's crap. There may be a multitude of reasons why they couldn't remove the backdoor (no access to source code, the guy who wrote it was on holiday, whatever...) but they could have at least changed the password with a hex editor to something that was difficult to type from a keyboard, low-ascii values for example.
Musepack is a wonderful format. Not only is it quicker to decode than other formats, it's also got the best psycho acoustic model and outperforms pretty much any other codec in bitrates from 128kbit/s above.
Now that the encoder is completely open-sourced and patent free, i'd like to see it adopted more. Foobar2000, the best Windows audio player available, supports MPC natively and there are plugins for everything else.
Well, the simple answer to this would be to compress something with the same codec used in a fax machine (CCITT IIRC) and then dump the binary image onto the page. Hey presto! Pretty uncompressible...
There's nothing flashy about views and stored procedures.
The reason I (and others) brought this up is because some OSS zealots, started going on about MySQL, despite it still not being a full RDBMS implementation, and not even slightly comparable to SQL Server, Oracle, DB2, Teradata et al.
Transactions? Exactly how many years behind the competition is OSS on that one?
If you used real databases, in real production environments on complex data sets, you'd see that MySQL just doesn't cut it - yet. It's great for trivial 'simple but big' datasets, but for data mining and analysis it's awful.
Ha! The audiophiles are nutters, it's true.
But this is different. Bear in mind 'CD quality' ('Red Book' audio) has been established as a base line for the last 10 years or so. Lossy compression degrades this quality by variable amounts depending on what codec is used, what the source material is and at what bitrate it is compressed. The reason for so much development on these codecs isn't to find an audio nirvana, but to minimize the loss from the source material.
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I have to admit i'm surprised that aac was considered worse than mp3 at these bitrates.
I'm sticking to musepack. I've got 23000+ tunes (1700 albums-ish) on my home server, but can only casually find ~4-5 tunes which seem degraded from the original. Hardware support would be nice, though.
I shout 'Troll'.
Any chance of you expanding on your theories? I'd especially like to know how being a 'medical student' has any bearing on whether you're talking rubbish or otherwise.
Absolute rubbish.
Maybe you don't understand the nature of the tests?
FWIW, with the Norah Jones track 'Creepin In' (not used in this test) I can not only ABX every codec bar musepack, I can also spot the aac and mp3 variants because of the way they degrade.
Being a medical student, I assume you understand basic psychoacoustic principles?