The big majority of installing a QT Application is the QT base and its dependencies.
Just the kdebase-runtime required to use QT applications is 50 packages and ~200MB unpacked..
ok so while it might be more than QT getting installed your reply was to gnome users "hate" to use a QT/KDE app like Amarok.. If you fail to see that 234MB of dependencies to just use a simple music player seems silly then I dont think there is a lot more I can contribute to this thread.
Just tried to install k3b on a default ubuntu install
Need to get 94.4MB of archives.
After this operation, 305MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
305MB needed to install k3b, 234MB for Amarok, and an additional 60-80 packages... not a small pill to swallow on dialup, nor a quick install on an old machine.
perhaps I dont have the QT libraries installed and I dont see the need to install/maintain/update a fairly large library thats needed for one program...
Its not hate, just distain.. it reminds me of windows apps that need a huge.NET framework, or VB Runtimes just to run a simple program.
thanks for the info, had no idea about the community ports.
couldn't find anything on the ubuntu.com download pages/ftp sites, apparently I gave up too soon..
All my sparc servers are either debian or openbsd now, I'll have to give the Ubuntu port a fair chance next time I get the opportunity.
Cheers,
-R
thats odd, because I cannot find any install media newer than 6.10 on any of the download sites.
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
if its supported, its very poor if they cant even create install disks for the platform.
m0n0wall with a good Intel NIC can do 100Mbit no problems on a 500Mhz cpu. Using a good NIC w/tcp offloading will go along way.
Gigabit is where you have issues, even with the best NIC's I had to get a 3Ghz P4 to handle Gbit subnet routing without choking.
Ive worked in Cybercafe's and helped found and operate a large successful LAN party for 6 years. The only thing we had stolen was a door prize video card that one of our staff members left sitting on a desk unattended. This was at one of our largest events ever (110+ people).
We asked everyone if we could check there bags, everyone agreed. We did not find the card, took it as a loss and made sure everyone knew that a thief was amongst them and they all lost out on the chance to get said prize because of them.
Since then we delegated a few people to keep an eye on the prizes and would always make sure they were not left unattended. Never had any problems with users getting there things stolen.
I pass a rolling dyno emissions test, and I would pass in California because I have a shell welded arround my straight pipe. There are plenty of other reasons why California might not let me tag in there state but emissions is not one of em. I dont even have a check engine light.
I dont have a catalytic converter in my highly modified performance vehicle.. Passes emissions just fine without it, I am however injecting a mixture of water and methanol into my intake to increase the effective octane rating of pump gas, the methanol does do a little to scrub some of the nox emissions.
However I am outputting almost 4x the original power, as a result I am using alot more fuel and outputting alot more exhaust so its not really all that efficient.. but it sure is fun to drive.
My wife and I discussed the same thing and were falling out of our seats in laughter back in April when he came to Denver.. Guess we were lucky, his closing statements about freedom and the fact that you never had any freedom if it can be taken away will always stick with me like a final lesson from a great teacher..
Best $160 Ive spent in a long time.
if its not testible then it is not science, if we allow string theory to be called scientific theory then were gona have to accept Intelligent Design as scientific theory because its just as untestible..
again, I dont hear about string theory being tought in highschools, nor is anyone trying to push it into the minds of our children.
What happens when grandma gets DSL, has her grandkid come over and hook it up.. she does not give her grandson power of attourney and he clicks OK without reading when setting up the account. How is grandma in any legal binding contract?
I think the history channel did a thing on Tesla, and if I remember correctly he had already designed something exactly like this, but his intentions were less capitolistic because he wanted to create a global network of wireless eletricity for everyone to freely tap into. Of course once his investors found out about this they shut down his idea and he kept it locked in a safe until he died, then they said that some government agency confiscated the safe and it was never seen again.
Of course the History channel is usally a bunch of sudo reasearch that can be easialy flawed or skewed.
I Play every game they make for linux.. I consider my self a HardCore Gammer.. I have a subscription to at least 3 gaming magazines and spend time every week playing.. Would you guess that I do not have any copy of windows installed anywhere in my house? Like lots of gamers dedicated to linux I get the extra dosage I need from console systems like the Playstation2.. I have people over all the time and unless you have 3-4 GAME worthy machines console systems are more fun..
-Ryan
Hrmm, The only thing Ive seen that staroffice isint 100% compatable with is Access files.. I do believe its possible to connect to access databaces via odbc.. Staroffice does come with its own database but I have never used It so I have no comment on it..
I do know that when an excel spreadsheed becomes corrupted that excel wont even try to open it.. But staroffice and I believe gnumeric will still open these corrupted xls files.. Then you simply save it from staroffice and like magic all the errors are fixed and excel will open these once lost files again.. How is that sound for compability?
A couple months ago someone gave a presentation at the local LUG (www.aclug.org) on staroffice.. The guy who gave the presentation claimed that He has been using Staroffice for many months in a large M$ Office oriented employer.. After months of composing and sharing documents made in staroffice with microsoft office and vice versa he never encountered a compability problem. In fact, no one has noticed that he has NOT been using Microsoft Office.
After the meeting I installed staroffice on my teen sisters debian box I made for her.. She has been tickled pink over the fact that she can now work on power-point presentations and word documents at both home and school..
As for my self I do have staroffice 6 installed but I rarely use it for my line of work, but it seems to have way better compability (did i mention Office XP compatible?) than any other office software I have used for linux..
www.raidzone.com has a 1.3TB file server that uses 15 hotswapable 100Gb UltraATA 100 Drives and comes with dual 1Ghz P3..
$21,650 (according to december linux journal)
You could rip the CD's stright off in wav format and store a hell of alot more audo than this offers:-)
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The big majority of installing a QT Application is the QT base and its dependencies.
Just the kdebase-runtime required to use QT applications is 50 packages and ~200MB unpacked..
ok so while it might be more than QT getting installed your reply was to gnome users "hate" to use a QT/KDE app like Amarok.. If you fail to see that 234MB of dependencies to just use a simple music player seems silly then I dont think there is a lot more I can contribute to this thread.
Just tried to install k3b on a default ubuntu install
Need to get 94.4MB of archives. After this operation, 305MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
305MB needed to install k3b, 234MB for Amarok, and an additional 60-80 packages... not a small pill to swallow on dialup, nor a quick install on an old machine.
-R
perhaps I dont have the QT libraries installed and I dont see the need to install/maintain/update a fairly large library thats needed for one program... .NET framework, or VB Runtimes just to run a simple program.
Its not hate, just distain.. it reminds me of windows apps that need a huge
thanks for the info, had no idea about the community ports. couldn't find anything on the ubuntu.com download pages/ftp sites, apparently I gave up too soon..
All my sparc servers are either debian or openbsd now, I'll have to give the Ubuntu port a fair chance next time I get the opportunity.
Cheers,
-R
thats odd, because I cannot find any install media newer than 6.10 on any of the download sites. http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/ if its supported, its very poor if they cant even create install disks for the platform.
you dont have any sparc boxes do you? *hint* you'll have to go back several years to even find a Ubuntu sparc64 release.
m0n0wall with a good Intel NIC can do 100Mbit no problems on a 500Mhz cpu. Using a good NIC w/tcp offloading will go along way. Gigabit is where you have issues, even with the best NIC's I had to get a 3Ghz P4 to handle Gbit subnet routing without choking.
afraid.org will do everything he wants and then some, been using them for over 5 years now with no problems. check it out
Ive worked in Cybercafe's and helped found and operate a large successful LAN party for 6 years. The only thing we had stolen was a door prize video card that one of our staff members left sitting on a desk unattended. This was at one of our largest events ever (110+ people). We asked everyone if we could check there bags, everyone agreed. We did not find the card, took it as a loss and made sure everyone knew that a thief was amongst them and they all lost out on the chance to get said prize because of them. Since then we delegated a few people to keep an eye on the prizes and would always make sure they were not left unattended. Never had any problems with users getting there things stolen.
I pass a rolling dyno emissions test, and I would pass in California because I have a shell welded arround my straight pipe. There are plenty of other reasons why California might not let me tag in there state but emissions is not one of em. I dont even have a check engine light.
some channels such as cartoon network stretch it prior to broadcast so using the side bars is not always an option.
I dont have a catalytic converter in my highly modified performance vehicle.. Passes emissions just fine without it, I am however injecting a mixture of water and methanol into my intake to increase the effective octane rating of pump gas, the methanol does do a little to scrub some of the nox emissions. However I am outputting almost 4x the original power, as a result I am using alot more fuel and outputting alot more exhaust so its not really all that efficient.. but it sure is fun to drive.
My wife and I discussed the same thing and were falling out of our seats in laughter back in April when he came to Denver.. Guess we were lucky, his closing statements about freedom and the fact that you never had any freedom if it can be taken away will always stick with me like a final lesson from a great teacher.. Best $160 Ive spent in a long time.
please quit pulling numbers out of your ass.. The waters are overall very shallow and have a maximum depth of 90 metres and an average depth of 50 metres. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persian_Gulf#Geography
TFA says they are train car sized, I wonder how many train cars have been made to haul coal and oil around..
if its not testible then it is not science, if we allow string theory to be called scientific theory then were gona have to accept Intelligent Design as scientific theory because its just as untestible.. again, I dont hear about string theory being tought in highschools, nor is anyone trying to push it into the minds of our children.
What happens when grandma gets DSL, has her grandkid come over and hook it up.. she does not give her grandson power of attourney and he clicks OK without reading when setting up the account. How is grandma in any legal binding contract?
I think they perfer the term SCABS.. sorry cant help but pick on em..
I think the history channel did a thing on Tesla, and if I remember correctly he had already designed something exactly like this, but his intentions were less capitolistic because he wanted to create a global network of wireless eletricity for everyone to freely tap into. Of course once his investors found out about this they shut down his idea and he kept it locked in a safe until he died, then they said that some government agency confiscated the safe and it was never seen again.
Of course the History channel is usally a bunch of sudo reasearch that can be easialy flawed or skewed.
I Play every game they make for linux.. I consider my self a HardCore Gammer.. I have a subscription to at least 3 gaming magazines and spend time every week playing.. Would you guess that I do not have any copy of windows installed anywhere in my house? Like lots of gamers dedicated to linux I get the extra dosage I need from console systems like the Playstation2.. I have people over all the time and unless you have 3-4 GAME worthy machines console systems are more fun.. -Ryan
Hrmm, The only thing Ive seen that staroffice isint 100% compatable with is Access files.. I do believe its possible to connect to access databaces via odbc.. Staroffice does come with its own database but I have never used It so I have no comment on it.. I do know that when an excel spreadsheed becomes corrupted that excel wont even try to open it.. But staroffice and I believe gnumeric will still open these corrupted xls files.. Then you simply save it from staroffice and like magic all the errors are fixed and excel will open these once lost files again.. How is that sound for compability?
A couple months ago someone gave a presentation at the local LUG (www.aclug.org) on staroffice.. The guy who gave the presentation claimed that He has been using Staroffice for many months in a large M$ Office oriented employer.. After months of composing and sharing documents made in staroffice with microsoft office and vice versa he never encountered a compability problem. In fact, no one has noticed that he has NOT been using Microsoft Office. After the meeting I installed staroffice on my teen sisters debian box I made for her.. She has been tickled pink over the fact that she can now work on power-point presentations and word documents at both home and school.. As for my self I do have staroffice 6 installed but I rarely use it for my line of work, but it seems to have way better compability (did i mention Office XP compatible?) than any other office software I have used for linux..
www.raidzone.com has a 1.3TB file server that uses 15 hotswapable 100Gb UltraATA 100 Drives and comes with dual 1Ghz P3.. $21,650 (according to december linux journal) You could rip the CD's stright off in wav format and store a hell of alot more audo than this offers :-)