appreciate the response. This is, perhaps not so obviously, my work machine stats and currently it's about 350MB in task mgr, it's worse at home, but then that's XP and this is Win7 so perhaps that has some difference.
Add-ons are mostly the same, though the sites browser are a wee bit different;-)
Given that I reloaded FF before getting these metrics and haven't browsed more than 5-6 pages since then, 350MB to me *is* bloated, maybe it shouldn't be considered that way but I do.
Uh, say what? I regularly hit 800 MB with just 5-6 tabs, not immediately but since I don't reboot every day, it routinely still leaks memory and that adds up over a couple days. I'm at 16.0.1. Won't say it isn't my addons but since the behavior hasn't changed and Firefox 'supposedly' fixed the memory issues it doesn't appear they didn't solved them.
Agreed. I was one of the rare ones who did know. I took my first programming class in 10th grade and I knew very very quickly I was going to be a programmer. I remember my Dad saying, "You won't necessarily end up doing what you go to school for", as part of my parents (largely successful) plan to keep me well rounded, but I'm going on 25 years in programming and not looking back at all. It's what I love to do, I'm reasonably good at it and it's the right place for me to be:)
But I had to take Chemistry and everything else along the way and I marshaled my way through it. Though Chemistry 'again' in college was a bit of a bad joke as the Engineering college required the same format of do everything at least once that HS did. Basically I did my halls chem majors computer assignments and they did my chem stuff:)
Most kids don't know ever know in HS, let alone by 15, what they really want to do - and if you let them take what they 'want', we'll have lots more McDs employees available...
Given that this 'loophole' has existed for years - hell someone once added Zuckerberg to the NAMBLA group linky - and hasn't been fixed I'd say it's pretty much a feature at this point.
Interesting. The linked article is geared more to landlords, not renters which is more likely what this thread seems to be about; someone who runs a business is likely renting the space from someone else.
If the property 'owner' installed cameras, then the 'tenants' have some expectation of security, but if the tenants are installing their own cameras, customers wouldn't have any such expectation, let alone 'outside' the space on the sidewalk.
But thank god for lawyers so we have to defend against every fucking possible angle of anything:)
For a "Pure Electric" vehicle I put in electrical energy. How that energy is stored is almost completely irrelevant by the way - could be a chemical battery, could be a capacitor.
This almost word for word what I said.
And more importantly, where did that electricity that you 'put in' come from? A conversion of energy from some other form, like a coal fired power plant, a solar panel, etc.
an 'electric' vehicle operates o on electricity. Period. Whether I use a battery or capacitor or really friggin long extension cord to provide that electricity is as you say "completely irrelevant".
"Pure Electric" means, in EV discussions, a vehicle that operates only on and directly from electrical energy
Operation means how it uses something. Not how it acquires that something. A diesel electric operates on electricity, it can get that electricity from generators or from overhead lines.
But to put in quintessentially offensive terms, you're claiming that African-Americans aren't really Americans?
$16800 ANNUALLY for gas? Dude, try a different station;-)
I think you mean lifetime right? Even so, the hybrids get 10-20% better mileage than the stock car (comparing Honda Civic's for instance since you have a stock car to compare). So you';re only saving ~$1500-3000 or 10-20%. That still doesn't pay the difference over the life of the vehicle.
But seriously, most studies I've seen show that for already fuel efficient vehicles like the Honda civic, the increase in mileage barely pays for the increased cost; barely. What I find ironic is that hybrid Hummers make more sense, because you can quite literally increase fuel economy 50% because you are starting so low to begin with.
My point was that 'electric' is the name for the propulsion. A battery is not required for an electric vehicle. Sure it's the most common implementation, but it's not required.
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8 gigs is cheap...and unusable to XP isn't it? ;-)
Yes, the 800 MB is my home computer this is my computer at work 5 minutes after restarting FF; sorry that wasn't clearly specified.
appreciate the response. This is, perhaps not so obviously, my work machine stats and currently it's about 350MB in task mgr, it's worse at home, but then that's XP and this is Win7 so perhaps that has some difference.
Add-ons are mostly the same, though the sites browser are a wee bit different ;-)
Given that I reloaded FF before getting these metrics and haven't browsed more than 5-6 pages since then, 350MB to me *is* bloated, maybe it shouldn't be considered that way but I do.
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Uh, say what? I regularly hit 800 MB with just 5-6 tabs, not immediately but since I don't reboot every day, it routinely still leaks memory and that adds up over a couple days. I'm at 16.0.1. Won't say it isn't my addons but since the behavior hasn't changed and Firefox 'supposedly' fixed the memory issues it doesn't appear they didn't solved them.
Agreed. I was one of the rare ones who did know. I took my first programming class in 10th grade and I knew very very quickly I was going to be a programmer. I remember my Dad saying, "You won't necessarily end up doing what you go to school for", as part of my parents (largely successful) plan to keep me well rounded, but I'm going on 25 years in programming and not looking back at all. It's what I love to do, I'm reasonably good at it and it's the right place for me to be :)
:)
But I had to take Chemistry and everything else along the way and I marshaled my way through it. Though Chemistry 'again' in college was a bit of a bad joke as the Engineering college required the same format of do everything at least once that HS did. Basically I did my halls chem majors computer assignments and they did my chem stuff
Most kids don't know ever know in HS, let alone by 15, what they really want to do - and if you let them take what they 'want', we'll have lots more McDs employees available...
Well played, well played :)
I'd venture going back say...11 years the bulk of the 'killing' related to terrorism was done by US/Allied forces...
Given that this 'loophole' has existed for years - hell someone once added Zuckerberg to the NAMBLA group linky - and hasn't been fixed I'd say it's pretty much a feature at this point.
It's an interesting point. If laws protecting us are so successful that people forget 'why' they are important, we get drivel like the GP.
:)
Education is a good thing
It forces everyone to spend more than they'd want to on premium stuff they don't care about
And there you have it. Stuff that won't kill you is a 'premium'. Pity you can't afford it....
Interesting. The linked article is geared more to landlords, not renters which is more likely what this thread seems to be about; someone who runs a business is likely renting the space from someone else.
:)
If the property 'owner' installed cameras, then the 'tenants' have some expectation of security, but if the tenants are installing their own cameras, customers wouldn't have any such expectation, let alone 'outside' the space on the sidewalk.
But thank god for lawyers so we have to defend against every fucking possible angle of anything
You sir, owe me a new keyboard...but thanks for the laugh!
Sources please. A business has no requirement to provide security on a public street in front of their building.
Presumably the lens covers the opening...
For a "Pure Electric" vehicle I put in electrical energy. How that energy is stored is almost completely irrelevant by the way - could be a chemical battery, could be a capacitor.
This almost word for word what I said.
And more importantly, where did that electricity that you 'put in' come from? A conversion of energy from some other form, like a coal fired power plant, a solar panel, etc.
an 'electric' vehicle operates o on electricity. Period. Whether I use a battery or capacitor or really friggin long extension cord to provide that electricity is as you say "completely irrelevant".
Proving my point that CARS are MUCH WORSE. Thanks :)
"Pure Electric" means, in EV discussions, a vehicle that operates only on and directly from electrical energy
Operation means how it uses something. Not how it acquires that something. A diesel electric operates on electricity, it can get that electricity from generators or from overhead lines.
But to put in quintessentially offensive terms, you're claiming that African-Americans aren't really Americans?
$16800 ANNUALLY for gas? Dude, try a different station ;-)
I think you mean lifetime right? Even so, the hybrids get 10-20% better mileage than the stock car (comparing Honda Civic's for instance since you have a stock car to compare). So you';re only saving ~$1500-3000 or 10-20%. That still doesn't pay the difference over the life of the vehicle.
But seriously, most studies I've seen show that for already fuel efficient vehicles like the Honda civic, the increase in mileage barely pays for the increased cost; barely. What I find ironic is that hybrid Hummers make more sense, because you can quite literally increase fuel economy 50% because you are starting so low to begin with.
except for the AC posting you're supposed to be able to read...
No I'm not. Show me *any* vehicle that operates without energy conversion.
My point was that 'electric' is the name for the propulsion. A battery is not required for an electric vehicle. Sure it's the most common implementation, but it's not required.