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An anonymous reader writes "I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill. I can't block the road because it's a fire access. But I would really like to have a way to catch who is doing this. Are there any a) waterproof, b) self-contained, c) self-powered, and (ideally) d) inexpensive video-recording units out there? Are there any other creative ways to get the guys? I was thinking of something like a device that will cycle, so that the last week of video is recorded. It could take photos or video, and as long as it's small enough that I could camouflage it well, I suspect I'd be able to figure this out soon. And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?" Hunters have been doing this for years (with film, and now digital) to figure out prey patterns with cameras that are built for concealment; what else would you recommend?

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  1. Use a Drone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know you could ask the Govt if their drones are for rent...they have night vision, missiles and everything.

    1. Re:Use a Drone by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why not get creative and just use old cell phones.
      People are just tossing these things out. they have a good battery and some you can actually program. plus send data back to your base unit wirelessly.

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    2. Re:Use a Drone by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I would also like to point out that what happens at the end of a long dirt road "dump" stays at the end of a long dirt road "dump".

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    3. Re:Use a Drone by mrcaseyj · · Score: 1

      If no cellphone reception, set up a repeater on a nearby hiltop. Use a motion sensor on the road sending to hiltop repeater to get realtime tresspassing updates and give cops somebody to chase. Wifi with long range antennas will suffice for the first hop and maybe the second hop to a neighbor's internet connection, bypassing the need for a cellphone tranceiver. Some companies provide long range Wifi internet connections with range at least 10 miles, so you might want to check that out. They may give you a discount if it is just for low bandwidth alarm service.

      Maybe put up a simple unlocked gate or just a chain with flags, to reduce alarms from harmless wandering tresspassers who will go down an open road but will not open a gate.

  2. Deer cams by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

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    1. Re:Deer cams by Nethead · · Score: 4, Informative

      What I was going to say. trailmasters.com Did webpage work for them back in '97.

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    2. Re:Deer cams by axehind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What this guy says. Use hunting/trail cameras. They attach to trees or other things and they only activate on movement. They can be stolen but most can be attached and locked nowadays.

    3. Re:Deer cams by boristdog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. Deer/wildlife cameras are what I would recommend. You can get them for $59 - $200. They take pretty good pictures and a set of batteries lasts a couple months.

    4. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      not sure if this is overkill or not, but if I was doing it, I'd have a bunch of wireless cameras that transmit to some buried (or very safe) receiver/recorder station.

      that way, the cameras could be taken but the data is still safe and the recorders are safe.

      does anyone offer this for affordable prices?

      I suppose each sending station could even be a rasp-pi with a wireless dongle and some stupid throw-away webcam. and some battery pack. some way to hibernate the system would be needed and unhiber if motion is detected. but all data is sent 'remotely' from the cam, so that data is never taken away if cams are discovered.

    5. Re:Deer cams by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      nope, well it depends on what you call "affordable" $5500.00 is affordable to some people.

      But there is a self contained security camera called "silent witness" that lets you place them high up in a tree or on the roof of the cottage. just add a 12AH gel cell battery and a 20 watt solar panel and it will record to the internal SD card for over a month.

      http://christy-ind.com/silent_witness/swc40r.php

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    6. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      right. you could use something like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/887443-REG/Bushnell_119438_Nature_View_HD_Camera.html but you'll have to hide it well

    7. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them."

      Deers steal cameras? Never would have thought.

    8. Re:Deer cams by Scutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

      I've had tremendous success by putting them inside bird houses. No one steals birdhouses, or even thinks twice when they see one 15 feet up a tree.

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    9. Re:Deer cams by Copperhamster · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is only one tiny problem that you might run into, and it should be ok if you stick a couple in trees... those deer cams usually have a red light on them, if people are looking they can be found. However, they'd have to look.

      Also, something to check for, in my state it's illegal to record other people on your property 'without consent of at least one party involved in the recording'. Consent is however assumed if signage is posted. (I can record at my door without a sign, because I'm recording myself and others, I'm consenting. I can't just do surveilance without posting a sign. The rules are of course, byzantine.)

    10. Re:Deer cams by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      http://www.amazon.com/Bolyguard-MG582-8M-Wireless-Outdoor-Scouting/dp/B007WNLPPW/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1349800816&sr=1-9&keywords=outdoor+GSM+camera

      That is the cheapest you can get if there is at least 3G or EDGE in the area. Dirt cheap at $350 each + $9.00 a month for the cellphone plan. they will then email you the photos if you hack it and change the lens from a wide angle to a more telephoto lens, it would probably be easier to hide.

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    11. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rules are of course, byzantine.

      That's nothing. Not cam-related, but here (Canada) we had a case where a guy had a store that was being renovated, fence and all around it. Thief jumps the fence, gets on the roof, and injures himself falling though a nightlight that wasn't yet properly installed. Thief gets to sue successfully for injury!

    12. Re:Deer cams by jasper160 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The newer ones have dropped the light. Check Cabela's, Gander Mountain, or Sportsman's Warehouse. And just using the Google with: deer cameras cell phones, this popped up http://www.trailcampro.com/howtocatchathief.aspx. No lights.

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    13. Re:Deer cams by superflippy · · Score: 1

      This. I'm on the board of a local recreation association, and we researched monitoring options for months for our recreation area, and in the end, we settled on the deer camera. Inexpensive, weather-resistant, long-lasting.

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    14. Re:Deer cams by RealGene · · Score: 1

      What happens when an actual bird moves in?

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    15. Re:Deer cams by the+biologist · · Score: 0

      If you're recording on your property, your own consent is implied. That law does make it illegal for someone else to record on your property without your or the targets' approval.

    16. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are even trail/game cameras with cellular service... pictures are uploaded to an image storage account. Amount of storage dictates monthly service fee.

    17. Re:Deer cams by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Presumably the lens covers the opening...

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    18. Re:Deer cams by Copperhamster · · Score: 1

      If you're recording on your property, your own consent is implied. That law does make it illegal for someone else to record on your property without your or the targets' approval.

      In my state, it's specifically illegal to use cameras to record, for example, trespassers on my property without posting signs. Yes, that's stupid.

    19. Re:Deer cams by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or go the opposite route... buy a bunch of empty "surveillance camera" big white cases and install them prominently near a big "No Dumping" sign. Probably a lot cheaper.

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    20. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should consider whether or not you'll be able to read a license plate number from an IR deer cam.

    21. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the sign acts as a deterrent, problem solved. And if it doesn't, you then have footage. What's the problem?

    22. Re:Deer cams by rabenja · · Score: 1

      christy-ind.com: wow, what a *really* *terrible* site...

    23. Re:Deer cams by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      Anybody gets to sue for almost anything. The real question is if he gets to win.

    24. Re:Deer cams by Copperhamster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In the US, a general piece of advice given to people who are arming themselves for self defense; When using lethal force (a gun), use it with intent to kill, not wound or disable. Not only is 'only wounding' hard, but it you are less likely to lose or even be hit with a wrongful death civil suite than a personal injury suite. One of my online buddies shotgunned three armed bad guys invading his home, killing two, the only criminal charges were misdemeanor possession of a loaded firearm (illegal, even in his own house, in his jurisdiction) which he got 3 months probation for after pleading no contest. One of the guy's families sued him for wrongful death, and it was dismissed with predjudice the first day. The surviving bad guy successfully sued him for various things (had two fingers amputated because the blast hit him in his gun hand as he was firing at my friend.), however it was overturned on appeal. But his defense has cost him roughly $100k. (and they are appealing the appeal). This is a person who is currently service a life sentence for 2 felony murders (he gets saddled with the guild of his two buddies deaths) and on trial for 6 more home invasions that had happened in the prior month.

    25. Re:Deer cams by yurtinus · · Score: 2

      The sign is in and of itself a deterrent. If people are dumping illegally, they'll find an easier spot. Of course, in an ideal world you'd be able to catch them and fine them for the cleanup instead of shifting the problem to a neighbor, but we live in a far from ideal world.

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    26. Re:Deer cams by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point. Why not just post the signs all over and skip the cameras.
      If it works then you save money. If not then you can put in the cameras.

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    27. Re:Deer cams by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      http://www.trailcampro.com/

      Game Cameras brought up a TON of hits. Not hard to find something to meet this at all it seems...

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    28. Re:Deer cams by menno_h · · Score: 1

      Or go the opposite route... buy a bunch of empty "surveillance camera" big white cases and install them prominently near a big "No Dumping" sign. Probably a lot cheaper.

      Unfortunately, a certain /. reader dumps that stuff and knows there are no cameras.
      He probably cracked the server logs and found your IP address to make sure he has the right guy's cottage.

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    29. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends whether you want to merely keep them away from your spot, and have them dump the same stuff on somebody else's road in the area, or whether you want to put a stop to it completely by catching them in the act and reporting them to the police to face fines or jail time.

    30. Re:Deer cams by acidfast7 · · Score: 1

      you must be from ITALY or you must vacation there a lot

    31. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fill the empty "surveillance cameras" with C4 and a movement sensor. Much more effective.

    32. Re:Deer cams by sjames · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, if the plaintiff has money to burn and the defendant doesn't, the plaintiff can 'win' just by filing the suit and being satisfied watching the defendant go broke paying for a lawyer.

    33. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure you get the ones with the blinky red lights so they will work at night.

    34. Re:Deer cams by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      a 1" piece of black tape fixes that red indicator light problem. and good ones have a "blackout" IR flash that uses a non visible IR frequency unlike the cheap ones that actually use red led's.

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    35. Re:Deer cams by Eravau · · Score: 1

      Well they can't exactly get them legally, can they? If they walk into the nearest Bass Pro shop or wherever... they're not exactly going to get great customer service.

    36. Re:Deer cams by icebike · · Score: 2

      $5000? come on, why give the trash dumpers something to steal?

      200 bucks is affordable, and hide-able, and silent and uses Infra Red flash.

      You can strap it to a tree, and no one would notice.

      I find it odd that the best solution is mentioned right in the question.

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    37. Re:Deer cams by icebike · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to have 3g or edge?

      All that is needed is photo evidence, not real time monitoring.

      Try this: http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1325725

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    38. Re:Deer cams by tsa · · Score: 1

      Posting signs all over might be much more expensive than a camera.

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    39. Re:Deer cams by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      In the US, a general piece of advice given to people who are arming themselves for self defense; When using lethal force (a gun), use it with intent to kill,

      No. Use it with intent to stop the threat, as promptly and certainly as possible. Nothing more, nothing less. For all practical purposes, we're splitting hairs; if you do it right, they're probably dead. But if it's the subsequent litigation you're concerned about, stopping the threat is all one need, or should, offer as the reason for using lethal force.

    40. Re:Deer cams by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      What happens when an actual bird moves in?

      The birds will steal the cameras.

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    41. Re:Deer cams by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You are right about what you say. 'I stopped the threat by firing 2 rounds into his center of mass.'

      GPs point was you don't stop the threat by wounding the bastard. You kill him. That way there is only one story.

      I bet GP's friend wishes he put another round into the survivor. Just don't do it if they are already on the ground.

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    42. Re:Deer cams by gizmonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's what I've never understood. If the thief is going to sue for injury, why not plead no contest in court, allow the judge to make the ruling for the thief, and then turn around and immediately sue him for trespassing, for the total amount the thief won, since his trespassing caused those actual damages? Even better would be to file for treble damages, since in trespassing, the thief was willfully negligent in his actions. The instant I owe any money for something you did while illegally on my property, I don't see how that doesn't immediately become actionable against you as damages for trespassing. IANAL, of course, so if any out there are, I'd love an explanation as to why this isn't possible. (At least, I am assuming it isn't, as I've never seen it done.)

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    43. Re:Deer cams by drkim · · Score: 1

      Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

      In addition get the "Security Package" package for the deer cams. It includes a metal enclosure and locking cable. The worst thing would be to find more trash AND your deer cams gone!

      http://www.trailcampro.com/moultriem-80xtsecuritypkg.aspx

    44. Re:Deer cams by godel_56 · · Score: 2

      If the sign acts as a deterrent, problem solved. And if it doesn't, you then have footage. What's the problem?

      You could also post the sign AFTER you get the video, but before you report them to the cops. Let them prove the signs weren't there before they were filmed. ;)

    45. Re:Deer cams by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You can do it if they are on the ground if their gun is still in their hand or placed there shortly after, but given he apparently shot the gun out of his hand (and part of the hand as well) that may have been a hard sell.

    46. Re:Deer cams by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's sometimes hard to tell which order shots were fired in. Also never be too clear on your memory. Shock and all can make the location and order of hits hard to remember.

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    47. Re:Deer cams by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You know what they call security cameras out the in the boonies? Target practice. Hidden will work better, and the signs would be as much deterrence as the camera cases. Or, mix all of them, and catch anyone shooting the visible cases with the hidden cameras, and then they can be arrested for multiple things.

    48. Re:Deer cams by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And, when you are down to the last one, shoot them all a few more times until you are empty. "I panicked and emptied my clip until they stopped moving or I ran out of bullets. I don't remember how many I shot where. I just kept shooting while I was able because I was afraid for my life". Oh, and it's bad form to change clips/magazines, unless the bodies are obviously well separated, such as separate floors or buildings, as that's gotten a few people in trouble claiming panic, but taking the time to change clips.

    49. Re:Deer cams by ExploHD · · Score: 1

      Fill the empty "surveillance cameras" with C4 and a movement sensor. Much more effective.

      Last "thoughts" of the sensor: "I see something! I see something!" **BOOM**

    50. Re:Deer cams by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ornithological sex-tapes. Duh.

    51. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The IR deer cams I've seen have terrible resolution. You can put a pocking massive battery on a stripped android phone in a camouflaged container. You can find and purchase an IR LED illuminator that is superior to most security cams. It can with some effort use several wifi cameras (those need their own large battery). And the wifi can send the data back to your place. I've send wifi for a mile to an unmodified android phone using nothing more than APs I waterproofed and modified with solar cells+battery. It was a very good connection for speed and it was very stable. I actually was able to get a poor connection with a cantenna but this was going to be a fixed link and needed speed.

    52. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the person he was responding to was asking about saving the evidence outside of the camera in case they were stolen, and this is far more secure than your idea.

      did you even read the thread or do you respond at random? ADHD posting again are you?

    53. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, someone who can not read.

      Epic Fail there dude. read the bro's moosage AND the one he replied to... and take your meds.

    54. Re:Deer cams by adolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is sad to see the discussion take such a tangent about the way to most-successfully shoot and intruder.

      Really, this is all that should be necessary: "They were in my house, uninvited, fucking my things. I shot them, and they stopped fucking with my things." Done.

      If this is insufficient, then the world is broken.

    55. Re:Deer cams by evilviper · · Score: 1

      buy a bunch of empty "surveillance camera" big white cases and install them prominently near a big "No Dumping" sign. Probably a lot cheaper.

      I was looking into that, but I found the fake cameras aren't much cheaper than REAL cameras. There's some $5 gear, but they look fake as hell. You're probably better off buying a working, $10 webcam, even if you don't hook it up to anything.

      But personally, I decided cameras are so cheap these days, that it's worth going all-out. You can find some highly-rated pan, tilt, zoom (PTZ) cameras, with built-in ethernet and WiFi for $50 each, perhaps a bit less...

      If the rear of your property is too far from your WiFi access point (AP), a high-power Buffalo AP can be had for $50 easily enough, and the included DD-WRT firmware can be configured as a repeater easily enough, needing only a source of power where you site it (halfway between your PTZ cameras and your main AP).

      From there, any old PC with a decent sized hard drive, running Linux/BSD can do the job with minimal scripting... And if you need any cameras closer-by, $10 USB webcams can be used, as USB cables can be extended up to 3m to position the cameras appropriately.

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    56. Re:Deer cams by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Well, not in dear season anyway.

    57. Re:Deer cams by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      /ea/ee

    58. Re:Deer cams by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah... And for weatherproof outdoor mounting, cut the top off a 2-litre soda bottle, slip it over the top of the camera, and find some way to attach it. You want to leave the bottom open, so that moisture inside will escape, and you don't get internal condensation.

      For those without a source of power near by the distant WiFi repeater, or the WiFi cameras, a modest solar panel can easily power them. If size isn't an issue, you can get a (not very efficient) 45W solar panel + charge regulator for $150 from HarborFreight (they send out 20%-off coupons all the time). Car adapters will be needed for anything that doesn't run on 12V directly. And if you don't have an old car battery handy, a small sealed lead-acid battery can be had for only about $20 if you have very modest power requirements... Maybe hook two together if you need more: http://www.batteryspec.com/ I've also had decent luck buying used car batteries from junkyards for such small projects. And even if they don't last long, you can get most of your money back turning in the dead battery for the "core charge".

      But if you're entirely off-grid, and need the PC/DVR powered by solar as well, this can get very expensive, very quickly. You'll probably want to buy the cheapest car battery with 3-year free-replacement warranty that you can find (most likely from walmart). And an old PC with high power draw isn't such a good option for solar... An old laptop or netbook might work, but for even lower-power, some low-end ARM device like a Raspberry Pi would really be a good option, and prevent you from needing to go to a larger and more expensive solar panel. Being off-grid can get expensive, very quickly.

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    59. Re:Deer cams by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

      " just add a 12AH gel cell battery and a 20 watt solar panel and it will record to the internal SD card for over a month."

      Not quite: "1 hour and 35 minutes of video"

    60. Re:Deer cams by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The problem is that people don't use what little power they have. They have the power to move to TX, where you can kill someone in the act of breaking in to your car, if you think that stopping them with less than lethal force would put you in danger. You don't have to be in your house. You don't have to retreat or call the police. If you can't do that now where you live, then move to TX. If everyone that didn't like their local laws moved to a place where the local laws were more in line with their desires, then there'd be no problem. But almost nobody does. How's that Free State project going? *yawn* thought so.

    61. Re:Deer cams by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Why would you link to that site? Silent Witness is owned by Honeywell, they have a perfectly fine website of their own.

    62. Re:Deer cams by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be simpler to use trespass as your defence? The court might not look too favourably on you wasting their time by failing to do so and then immediately launching a counter-suit based on it.

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    63. Re:Deer cams by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Forget "no dumping" signs, just go straight to "DANGER - LAND MINES" with a big skull and cross bones.

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    64. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We use RECONYX cams, with the steel cases and locks, although sometimes people will just cut the tree it's attached to to get it. There is a motion sensor to trigger the cam. It's easy to set up and lasts for a season with Li-ion AA battery.

    65. Re:Deer cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the OP, and signs are already there. Visible signs. It's a matter of people knowing they can get away with it. Not an issue of "Oh, I didn't know that someone would care if I dump my garbage in his yard."

      Thanks to everyone for the ideas for deer cameras and so on -- this is what I was looking for! Just had no idea there was such a thing. :-)

    66. Re:Deer cams by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      The world is not broken, it is just weary of me inviting you over, opening the door and letting you in, then handing you my most expensive piece of crystal art and pull a weapon while you are looking at it and killing you for "trying to steal" it.

      Because of this, the world likes to see some showing that a reasonable person was in fear for their safety or lives. The level of fear and all might change from place to place, but it is to avoid cold blooded murders from being claimed as self defense. That's the reason why the Zimmerman guy in Florida is on trial, his actions make it look like a concealed cold blooded murder instead of a self defense which in the end it might have actually been.

    67. Re:Deer cams by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Because while it sounds like it would even out, it would open the home owner up to some severe unintended consequences.

      The courts won't look at it as a wash, they will take each suit or claim separately giving the injured criminal the ability to collect independent of his debt from the loss in the trespassing case. This will allow him to seize assets and place liens on property through court orders that may not even be able to consider that he owes you more money. You might be able to correct it but its a lot more problem then defending in the first place.

    68. Re:Deer cams by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That would be my line of attack too. Unless your time is free, then the 100-odd pounds/dollars for a pre-built device is going to be considerably cheaper than hacking something together yourself from cellphones, large battery packs and whatever ; then programming some motion detection into it ; then waterproofing it to an adequate degree ; then attaching some sort of mounting kit without damaging the waterproofing ...

      Yep, that would be where I'd start from. That they're reasonably camouflaged will help too, not that the fly-tippers are likely to be looking for them. Getting creative with your positioning may help too - 5m up a tree, so you can see the likely dump site, the vehicle registration plates, and hopefully the perp's faces. But really, you don't need anything more than the registration plate. If the registered keeper of the vehicle won't finger the driver, then they're guilty themselves. Slam dunk. (Your jurisdiction may differ.)

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  3. Look at this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    here you go

    http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3413551

  4. Bushnell? by frostfreek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bushnell Trail Sentry 5MP Digital Camera

    Seems like it's packed with features.
    http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-trail-sentry-5mp-trail-night-vision-camera-119305.html

    1. Re:Bushnell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not enough to mount cameras just anywhere. Ideally you want 2 cameras; one mounted where it will get a shot of the rear (legally required) license plate, one mounted (if and) where you suspect the dumping will occur. If the dumpers are stupid enough and you are lucky enough to capture images on both cameras, you will be able to show a license plate, a payload in a truck and a corroborating photo at the site with the junk on the ground. I assume the photos from these units are time and date stamped.

      Then all you have to do is draw the circles and arrows on the front of the photos, write the paragraph on the back and submit them to the court.

      If you are luckier still, I'm sure the rest will be a clear cut case of American blind justice.

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    2. Re:Bushnell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      {insert refrain from the Alices's Restaurant Massacre here}

      It was a clear case of blind justice Officer Obie..

      Got to wait for it to come around on the guitar....

  5. Hunters have the right gear by Gunnut1124 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't reinvent the wheel, hunters have already done the hard part. Check around for concealed hunter camera gear. Already camouflaged, and able to take stills or video...

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    1. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to Cabelas.com or BassPro.com and search on 'game cam". As the previous poster said, don't re-invent the wheel.

    2. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Cryptopone · · Score: 1

      The cameras and video recorders detect motion and activate once it crosses a threshold. Remember to hide the device well otherwise it might be stolen by someone who notices it while passing by.

    3. Re:Hunters have the right gear by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Check around for concealed hunter camera gear.

      How's he supposed to find that?!

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    4. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Check around for concealed hunter camera gear.

      How's he supposed to find that?!

      Ask a Ninja. I'm sure he could put you in touch with the Concealed Hunter.

    5. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Roll for a spot check?

    6. Re:Hunters have the right gear by fermion · · Score: 1
      I was thinking that hunters have the right idea in that a well placed clamore and 'keep out trespassers will be shot' would solve the problem. That solution is probably an overkill.

      I wonder if the road can't be locked, at least the access that is in the property. Around town I see that emergency services can be given access to otherwise restricted roads. The only issue I have seen is when we wanted to block off two of four roads leading to a subdivision completely and could not because emergency services thought it would unduly restrict access. If several people need access, I have seen lock solutions, also for hunters, where each person has an individual lock.

      In addition to hunting shops, spy shops also have a good selection of what you want. The advantage of these items is that they are made of be concealed, which may or may not be something that can be done in the outdoors. Another issue that you are going to have with vandals as opposed to deer is the threat of vandalism to the camera or simply removing the SD card.

      I think this is kind of cool spy camera though really expensive.

      I am also wondering if the purpose of the camera is deterrent of prosecution. If determent then a bunch of signs of video surveillance and a cheap well hidden motion activated camera with a spot light aim at the entrance(and cheap because it will be shot at) might be best. Put up the pictures of the miscreants. If prosecution then a grainy picture of someone dumping might be enough evidence. A well placed motion activated camera that will get the license of the truck and the occupants and another the act of dumping might work. These could be placed in unexpected places.

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    7. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend you build your own video unit. I build my units using the Big Foot Controller and a DXG HD Camcorder.

      Learn all you need to know from Hags here: http://www.hagshouse.com/forums/index.php?showforum=8

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    8. Re:Hunters have the right gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy, lock for a salt stone. There will probably be a hunting tower near by. :)

  6. Trail/Wildlife Camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what Trail/Wildlife cameras do. Why not just get one of those?

  7. Low-budget approach by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

    Get some kind of motion-activated wildlife cam, and put a big storage card in it. A good one should allow you to choose stills or video. Then just pull out the card and review at your leisure. These things are made to be used outdoors, so they're generally weatherproof, camouflaged, and battery-powered (I have one that runs on four C batteries for quite a long time).

  8. "Camera trap" by Bazzargh · · Score: 1

    Type "camera trap" into google and you'll find devices that do this (for photographing wildlife). The commercial ones are already camouflaged.

    1. Re:"Camera trap" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a renowned AC, I second that (as well as the clean NO DUMPING sign).

      I have used something like this before, not sure what model is the best but you may find some review online:
      http://www.slashgear.com/swann-security-outback-cam-features-2mp-camera-and-built-in-dvr-0596739/

  9. Do you have a sign? by rollingcalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

    A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

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    1. Re:Do you have a sign? by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1

      A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

    2. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I second this, but with one small addition. "CAMERA SURVEILLANCE, VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED!", point being that you most likely will not need cameras for this to actually work. And in any case if it still continues, you can add the camera part with the (mandatory?) sign in place already!

    3. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since when do legitimate dumping grounds exist? O_o

    4. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And add a sign "camera surveillance". No need to install the actual camera.

    5. Re:Do you have a sign? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there

      Yes, they may be retarded or have some sort of brain injury.

    6. Re:Do you have a sign? by vlm · · Score: 2

      point being that you most likely will not need cameras for this to actually work

      Why not buy a broken camera from your local junk store and very visibly install it?

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    7. Re:Do you have a sign? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

      Depending on the local laws and legal precedent, that may not be very logical or an example of common sense; for example, in certain particularly stupid areas of America, putting up a "No Trespassing" sign actually increases the property owner's liability, as they are acknowledging that people may trespass on their property and thus, take responsibility for said trespasser's safety (and yes, I am aware how boundlessly stupid that is).

      Here's an article that does a much better job explaining the legal implications of posted "No Trespassing" signs than I ever could.

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    8. Re:Do you have a sign? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      Great idea - Except I'd add "VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED" and "THIS AREA UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE"

    9. Re:Do you have a sign? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 0

      Many counties have "county dumps" where you can haul trash (such as worn out sofas) and dispose of them for a more or less nominal fee. In addition to the county dumps, many private landowners have permits to accept trash. Where do you think the garbage trucks take your trash to? That's right, to legitimate dumping grounds, many of those dumps will accept trash from individual citizens for a fee.

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    10. Re:Do you have a sign? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room, seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time.

      We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the city dump.

      Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

      We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we decided to throw our's down.

      That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage."

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    11. Re:Do you have a sign? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      I'm seeing a lot of posts stating something like, "any idiot should know not to dump on your land" etc. However, in many states, under law, you have to post signage or build a fence to notify others of your property boundary. You may be able to prosecute without these things, but it will make your life easier if you clearly mark your property boundary. This usually corresponds to hunting regulation, but in this case I imagine it applies to dumping.

      I'm not aware of any States require a fence (although it is a good idea), some require a paint mark, or some signage. I'm not a lawyer, look up the law in your own area.

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    12. Re:Do you have a sign? by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Have any of you people ever even been to the sticks? All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

    13. Re:Do you have a sign? by TheSpoom · · Score: 2

      I'd do this but also install a real, camouflaged camera elsewhere. Let them think they destroyed the real one.

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    14. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

      A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      I'm not sure I'd buy that argument - if you don't drive up through a gate and pay a tipping fee to some sort of solid waste management authority, I'm not sure how someone could think its a legitimate dumping ground. More likely, a prospective dumper sees the illegal dumping ground and assumes they can get away with dumping there as well, not that its a legal dumping ground; a sign probably gets shot up or stolen, and if you're going to illegally dump something, you likely have no problem disregarding private property or instructions.

    15. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of common sense you idiot? The part where some people are DUMPING TRASH ON PRIVATE PROPERTY??? It's like putting up a sign that says "Please don't kill the cows" around your field.

    16. Re:Do you have a sign? by TCQuad · · Score: 1

      Great idea - Except I'd add "VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED" and "THIS AREA UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE"

      Also, "DANGER: LANDMINES".

    17. Re:Do you have a sign? by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why not buy a broken camera from your local junk store and very visibly install it?

      Came here to say this!

      Years ago, I had a computer store, and wanted to cover my hindquarters - we had large, street-access store windows protecting lots of gorgeous, expensive hardware, but I couldn't afford a full-blown solution. So I found some mounting brackets at the hardware store and bought a large, gaudy 8 mm film camera at the local thrift store for $1. I bolted the camera to the mounting brackets, and stuffed a thick, black wire into the headphone jack and jammed it into a hole in the ceiling. It wasn't subtle; it was pointed right at you as you walked in the door.

      Also, when I left for the night, I'd leave a computer running and run a tone generator to simulate the warning sound that an alarm makes for 30-60 seconds before it goes full derp.

      For 4 years I ran that shop without a single incident. About 3 years in, I asked to get a quote from an actual security company, and the camera was good enough fool the consultant who came out to do the quote! Another time, I opened the store for a police officer in order to answer questions about some stolen hardware I'd identified, and he was also worried about the alarm going off. (from the tone generator) I showed him what I was doing and he laughed out loud.

      Appearances can be deceiving and that's good enough in many (most?) cases. As a shining example of this: The TSA!

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    18. Re:Do you have a sign? by mallydobb · · Score: 2

      I agree, posting a no trespassing sign is key, but rationalizing that its a legitimate dumping ground?!?!? The legitimate dumping ground is called the landfill and at times it might cost a little to use it, but its there for public use. Dumping trash and rubbish elsewhere is just littering and ignorant.

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    19. Re:Do you have a sign? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

      Are you serious?

      A "legitimate dumping ground" is a city / county / state facility, not down some dirt road near some guy's cabin.

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    20. Re:Do you have a sign? by orgelspieler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why not buy a broken camera from your local junk store and very visibly install it?

      Why buy one? I'm sure that these guys have already dumped one on his property.

    21. Re:Do you have a sign? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      would not work in, say, new jersey. they'd just steal them anyway.

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    22. Re:Do you have a sign? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Just beware - depending on the situation, this can actually increase your civil liability. The example I've seen happen is where someone was attacked outside a business; when the tapes were requisitioned the cameras were found to be false. The case was argued, successfully I believe, that the business had engendered a false sense of security by implying that they had taken precautions that they had not, in fact, taken. I don't remember the specifics, but its worth a quick word with your attorney before you do this in a "public" place like a business to make sure that you're correctly covered.

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    23. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

      A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

      Don't worry about being so vague. How about a sign that reads "Stop dumping your crap here or I'll shoot you" or "Dumpers will be tranquilized and forced to memorize the first 2000 digits of Pi"

    24. Re:Do you have a sign? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      It will probably just get stolen - as they're dumping more trash, of course.

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    25. Re:Do you have a sign? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 2

      All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

      And they're not kidding, either. Diddo with the "Danger - Landmines" signs...

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    26. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking from experience...the presence of 'No Trespassing' signs elevates you to 'criminal trespass' charges instead of just civil.

      It's all about being warned, and the sign is a warning that they chose to ignore; hence the criminal escalation. It's why you'll see No Trespass signs along a fence every X number of yards. The law dictates how far apart is reasonable to 'warn' someone crossing the fence.

    27. Re:Do you have a sign? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Sources please. A business has no requirement to provide security on a public street in front of their building.

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    28. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get anything you want at Alice's Res-tur-rant!

    29. Re:Do you have a sign? by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Had a similar experience a while ago.

      I was managing (fancy name for clerk/janitor/ebayer) an antique store around back about 2001 and we couldn't afford a full-on security system.

      One day at an estate sale we got a box of mixed randomness which included a big VHS camera. The camera wouldn't record to tape, but it would show pictures on a television.

      The store we were in had been a restaurant at one time and still had the television mounting platform on the wall which was visible from the street.

      I put an old 13 inch black-and-white television on the platform with the camcorder right beside it, hooked up and showing a live feed. We ran a dead coax into the ceiling and the camera had a nice big red LED on the front. From outside it looked pretty good.

      Never had a break-in.

    30. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most important aspect here is that you need to warn people about any artificial condition that present particular hazard. So if say you keep wild pets then warn anticipated trespassers about the pets with a warning about wild pets at any place you put the no trespasser signs. If they continue on it is their responsibility to not get killed.

    31. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

      And they're not kidding, either. Diddo with the "Danger - Landmines" signs...

      This totally reminds me of Vernor Vinge's "The Ungoverned".

    32. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because maybe the people dumping will just visibly steal said broken camera thinking they have thwarted him.

      And they'll just come back and dump it ;-)

    33. Re:Do you have a sign? by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN"

      There, fixed it for you

      Time to shoot the lameness filter though. I can't fix your quote when the lameness filter gets in the way.

    34. Re:Do you have a sign? by redneckmother · · Score: 1

      Have any of you people ever even been to the sticks? All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

      Seen in rural Texas: "No Trespassing. Violators will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."

    35. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you beat me to it. Problem was, I was just waiting around for the chorus to come around on the gee-tar again.

    36. Re:Do you have a sign? by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was thinking of Alice's restaurant also.

    37. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't been far enough out in the sticks yourself. Out here all the signs say "TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN"

    38. Re:Do you have a sign? by Megane · · Score: 2

      The best story of all time is the one about the pawn shop that used a clunky old VCR tape backup system for their computer, because someone pawned it to them many months ago, so they might as well use it. When some dumbasses robbed the place one night, one of them took the tape out of that VCR, then smiled for the camera, waving the tape in front of it. Of course the camera was being recorded to a different tape that they didn't see.

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    39. Re:Do you have a sign? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      On the other hand putting up a 'Beware of Dog' sign is a invitation for a lawsuit. It says you know your dog is viscous under the eyes of the law.

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    40. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and back it up with say...a 25m handgun target, with a 99/100. Make my day!

    41. Re:Do you have a sign? by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Nah, that attitude sounds more like LA... it'd be right next to the "Keep honking; I'm reloading" bumper sticker. The rural hicks OTOH know how to stay within their rights by law :P

    42. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appearances can be deceiving and that's good enough in many (most?) cases. As a shining example of this: The TSA!

      Wait, you think the TSA is good enough?!

    43. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It says you know your dog is viscous

      What's so bad about a syrupy dog?

    44. Re:Do you have a sign? by paiute · · Score: 1

      What part of common sense you idiot? The part where some people are DUMPING TRASH ON PRIVATE PROPERTY??? It's like putting up a sign that says "Please don't kill the cows" around your field.

      Vermont story: Farmer tired of cows being shot by NYC weekend warriors paints "COW" in white paint on both sides of his brown cow. Cow gets shot the next weekend.

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    45. Re:Do you have a sign? by paiute · · Score: 1

      Out here they just say "Squeal like a pig, boy!"

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    46. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not out here in the sticks. There is no government facility for trash, you have to go to one of the private trash haulers. Or dump it down the side of a ravine while no one's looking.

    47. Re:Do you have a sign? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Not out here in the sticks. There is no government facility for trash, you have to go to one of the private trash haulers. Or dump it down the side of a ravine while no one's looking.

      Sorry, not buying it. I've lived "in the sticks" for many years, if you are dumping your trash in some ravine, especially someone else's ravine, you're an asshole, 100%.

      I can't tell you what to do with YOUR property, if you want to dump trash all over it, what can I do? But if you're dumping your trash along other people's roads, you're not just an asshole, you're a criminal.

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    48. Re:Do you have a sign? by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Don't remember and poor google-fu today, but lots of reputable blogs (written by lawyers, such as http://www.securityinfowatch.com/article/10546713/the-legal-side-liability-for-installed-surveillance-cameras?page=2 ) and security pages refer to the issue.

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    49. Re:Do you have a sign? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. The linked article is geared more to landlords, not renters which is more likely what this thread seems to be about; someone who runs a business is likely renting the space from someone else.

      If the property 'owner' installed cameras, then the 'tenants' have some expectation of security, but if the tenants are installing their own cameras, customers wouldn't have any such expectation, let alone 'outside' the space on the sidewalk.

      But thank god for lawyers so we have to defend against every fucking possible angle of anything :)

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    50. Re:Do you have a sign? by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a Radio Shack, and we experienced a problem with our display products (TVs, VCRs and answering machines mostly) up near the door walking out of the store nearly every day.

      I was originally going to hook up an alarm panel we sold, and alarm the products, but quickly saw that would be a major project, would be REALLY ugly, and would still leave a considerable amount of display items unalarmed. So I got a bright Idea to run a single alarm wire from the ceiling down to the expensive display items on display tables. I just took a length of wire, stuck one end under a ceiling tile, then just poked the other end into the display item. The tactic worked so well that I also used it on the smaller items displayed on the walls too. I cut smaller pieces of alarm wire, and stuck one end into one item, and the other end into the item beside it, so it looked like a single wire was running through all the display items.

      The thefts came to a dead halt.

      What was hilarious to me was that these lengths of wire were just sitting in vent holes, and attached to nothing. They didn't even have knots in their ends to prevent them from being pulled out! You could just pick up the wire, and it would just come right out! So there was no REAL security AT ALL, not even the items being tied together by the wire! It just LOOKED like they were alarmed.

      A couple of months later, the District Manager came into the store, saw all the ugly wires, and immediately ordered that they all be removed. I said, "Sure. No problem. But before I do that, I'd like to show you the figures on thefts before and after the wires were put in. He decided that the wires should stay put.

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    51. Re:Do you have a sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but once you make an improvement, you might be liable for the effects of that improvement. A security camera is arguably capable of making someone feel they've got protections -- hell, I'd bet a surprising number of people think there's someone somewhere watching all those cameras 24x7.

      IANAL, but here's the example I'm aware of: If someone uses your property for recreation and you're not getting paid, most states have laws that specifically shield you from liability. The moment that you start charging for access, or that you add restrictions, security or safety features, if something happens (esp something that ties back to those improvements in some way) you're not shielded.

  10. Talk to the cops by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

    Have you asked the local cops what to do about the dumping? They might blow you off or they might get interested. It is worth a try before you get too cowboy on your own.

    1. Re:Talk to the cops by pavon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main point of the camera is to have firm information to give to the cops. They aren't going to waste resources doing an in-depth investigation over something like this. But if you can give them a license plate number and a picture of the guys, they are much more likely to deal with them. And if not you have everything you need to head to small claims court.

    2. Re:Talk to the cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the local cops are friendly, and most are out there, it's not too hard to get them to stab through the trash, find the mail, and ticket the violators.

    3. Re:Talk to the cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes that doesn't catch the actual perps, though. I once had my mail show up in some illegally-dumped trash. Turns out that I was being targeted by identity thieves that were trolling my neighborhood.

      Trail cam is the best bet. They're cheap, use standard digital storage these days, and can last weeks or months depending on traffic.

    4. Re:Talk to the cops by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...it's not too hard to get them to stab through the trash, find the mail, and ticket the violators.

      "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage"

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  11. Trail/Game camera's. by Nadaka · · Score: 1

    They are ruggedized motion activated camera systems used by hunters and various conservationists to document wildlife in an area. Point on at the road and you will likely get a photo eventually.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=trail+cameras&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=3841717161&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6759584441200341366&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_76nuhrt4i1_b

  12. Shotgun. by AtomicDevice · · Score: 1

    Wait in a ground blind with a boomstick and give em a taste of frontier justice (where justice == birdshot)

    Seriously though, the comment about trail cameras is right on. Motion activated camera that's self contained and battery powered. Designed for locating and tracking game movements, sounds like it would be perfect for your situation.

    Double seriously, trying to wait out for them and firing some blanks and generally appearing to be a totally unhinged redneck might go a long way to scaring them off. Plus it would be a hell of a lot of fun, legal issues not withstanding.

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    1. Re:Shotgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless of course they also have a gun with them and it isn't filled with blanks.

    2. Re:Shotgun. by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      That's when you switch to the semi auto with deer slugs, and have an AR-10 ready for backup.

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    3. Re:Shotgun. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, you're not thinking. This is Slashdot - the home of the BSD toaster.

      So, you get the aforementioned hunter cam, then you open the case, find the signal to that fires the camera, rig a opsoisolated switch to another relay circuit that fires off a couple of M80's and a small amount of thermite. Take the pics, wait a few seconds, fire off the M80's and the thermite. For extra fun, take a few more pics.

      Bonus points for rigging explosions down the road on a tripwire or such so that you continue to 'fire' on the miscreants as the run screaming for their lives.

      Use some imagination here, folks.

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    4. Re:Shotgun. by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but this kind of escalation has some negative risk possibilities at the end of the encounter.

          a. You might be shot and killed (unlikely, I suppose, if you bring big guns to the party and have a good position to fire from)
          b. You might kill someone else. And just your luck, they might be someone important. You might spend the next 5 years of your life and every penny you have fighting for your life in court.

      Versus just paying someone to clean up the trash and installing a better fence. It really isn't a good idea to resort to lethal force (or firearms at all) unless the other guy leaves you no other options.

    5. Re:Shotgun. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      You sir, owe me a new keyboard...but thanks for the laugh!

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    6. Re:Shotgun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) You might be shot and killed (unlikely, I suppose, if you bring big guns to the party and have a good position to fire from)

      Except the grandparent suggested hooking it up to the *automated* system for detecting movement. He wasn't suggesting you be there.

      b) You might kill someone else. And just your luck, they might be someone important. You might spend the next 5 years of your life and every penny you have fighting for your life in court.

      The grandparent suggested using m80s. These aren't *firearms*. These are suped up firecrackers (not that they're not dangerous, but a heck of a lot safer than shooting *bullets*)

    7. Re:Shotgun. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "unless the other guy leaves you no other options."

      Like if they take out a gun and point it at you? Which was the point.

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  13. Remote operated turret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need one like this:
    http://dover.idf.il/NR/rdonlyres/D9C669D3-EC4F-45DA-97F9-9261B7BACD7B/0/02s.jpg

  14. Contour, Go-Pro - activity cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of super small USB cameras with a rolling overwrite feature.

    Contour is one, Go-Pro - but those are kinda of pricey.

    The last one I saw on Youtube looked like a childs toy DLSR with a single button and MicroSDHC slot. It was about the size of your Thumb and took really good video. http://youtu.be/k-DCpQ9EYZg or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgtTg62GDfs&feature=fvwrel

    I think they were in the $100 range

    You would still need a housing, a memory card and a power source.

  15. Question by Sparticus789 · · Score: 1

    Why re-invent the wheel? You said it yourself, hunters have been doing this for years. Therefore, there are already products on the market which will stand up to the elements with a long battery life and the capabilities to do what you are looking to do. Sure, you could buy some camera, put them in a water-resistant sealed box, camoflauge them, and run a wire to your house. But why go through that much trouble when someone already makes a reliable product to do exactly that?

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    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it's FUN to diy camera setup.

  16. Second thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A cheap iPhone with a time lapse App might be just as good.

  17. This is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is easy, no electricity needed, and it has proven effective for thousands of years. Get an outside dog, maybe a lab. Labs love people, and people polluting on land won't know the difference between a dog happy to see them and one ready to tear them apart when it is running at them.
    The many features of the dog include a built in, day or night motion detector and alarm with a range of the upwards of miles. It requires no energy, and can also provide benefits to owning beyond simple security. The dog can also be adjusted so that it only detects certain objects, such as humans and not cats, depending on the model.

    1. Re:This is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seems a bit cruel to leave the dog alone at the cottage for days or weeks at a time.

    2. Re:This is easy by kesuki · · Score: 1

      i am afraid to tell you this, but there is no dog food fairy, and i am pretty sure food takes energy to be made, packaged and distrobuted. and dogs can't provide video evidence for the police to find and report criminals to the police.

    3. Re:This is easy by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

      Also a recipie for the dog to be shot by the mono-toothed-redneck-pieces-of-shit.

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  18. Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by eldavojohn · · Score: 2

    A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

    Where do you live that it's okay to do this:

    I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill.

    Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

    I've lived in two states. I'm pretty sure you'd be fined and/or sued to high heaven if you were caught doing that on any property you do not own and pay taxes on -- even then TVs and metal scraps can permanently damage the environment if not properly disposed of.

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    1. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

      Nope; I grew up on such a dirt road, and cheap-ass idiots dumping shit because they don't want to pay $10 at the landfill were always the bane of my existence.

      Related anecdote: For about 8 months when I was a kid, my dad and I used to see the same damn people dumping bags of trash on our road every week (I assume city folk who refused to pay for trash service). One time, after they drove off, father proceeded to open one of the trash bags and rifle through it (eww, I know) until he found - drum roll please - a piece of mail with the name and address intact. Several mornings later, the people who dumped the trash awakened to find every last fucking piece of it we had collected over the months spread across their own front lawn. Needless to say, that particular group stopped dumping.

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    2. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> people dumping bags of trash on our road every week

      So where in Alabama do you live?

    3. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      >> people dumping bags of trash on our road every week

      So where in Alabama do you live?

      I don't know if this is a problem in Alabama, but I know people in rural PA and NY who have had a problem with trash being dumped on their property. It's not just back roads on which this happens, either. Any road with a steep embankment and a good shoulder where people can pull over and throw their trash over the edge is susceptible to becoming a dumping ground. I know a local deputy in the sheriff's department, and he says that when they ticket people for disposing of the trash on other people's property they almost always say they thought it was OK because there wasn't a sign saying they couldn't.

    4. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I know a local deputy in the sheriff's department, and he says that when they ticket people for disposing of the trash on other people's property they almost always say they thought it was OK because there wasn't a sign saying they couldn't.

      That does sound a lot better than "I'm a fucking worthless piece of shit that treats other people like they don't exist and wants to fuck up the environment."

    5. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      I have no mod points so I'll just clap instead. Nice one!

    6. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> people dumping bags of trash on our road every week

      So where in Alabama do you live?

      Jeez, talk about stereotyping.

    7. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      Needless to say, that particular group stopped dumping.

      ...on your street.

    8. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'd think, as someone who lives out in the boondocks in the southern US, it's not as uncommon as you'd think. I had a similar problem for a couple of years on my DRIVEWAY (it was a very long gravel driveway that looked kind of like an access road, but still). After considering the 12-gauge approach for a while, I used some hunting cameras in strategic locations and was able to get license numbers, hi-res photos, everything - one call to the county Sheriff and the problem was taken care of - large fine plus a term in the county jail. I decided not to sue them since they probably didn't have anything to take anyway, but could have.

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    9. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Rural N?!?. S**t, that happens here in urban nyc. (Queens and Brooklyn)

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    10. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks to reality tv i know that these people all use the same lies. they probablly squat their residence until they are evicted which takes forever, and some rental people will give them good references just to be rid of them. they likely don't have electricity or water, unless the appartment uses electric heat... which is then illegal to cut off heat sources in cold climates... it is sad, that people live that way, if you're lucky and they are dumb they will use a propane heater to make their own whisky which is a huge violation and despite that still takes months to get rid of them except the perpetrator of the crime who gets a go to jail directly to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200.

    11. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Needless to say, that particular group stopped dumping.

      ...on your street.

      Maybe; an equally valid hypothesis would be that they were so scared shitless by some random person returning a ton or two of their own garbage to their doorstep that they cleaned up their act and started going to the landfill like everyone else.

      As with how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie-Roll Pop, the world may never know.

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      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    12. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by ClayDowling · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you provide them with color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one?

    13. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      As with how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie-Roll Pop, the world may never know.

      Three!

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      Three days from now?? Thats tomorrow!! ~Peter Griffin
    14. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it Alice's friend Arlo who put the envelope under that pile of garbage?

    15. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by der_pinchy · · Score: 0

      You know those tire disposal fees you pay when you get new tires? We had shops dump old tires on a dirt road a friends farm was on. Spent quite a bit of time some summers pciking them out of the ditch so the county could pick em up.

    16. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Fuckin should have sued. Take the clothes off their back. Hopefully they die.

    17. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's a problem in California too.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    18. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

      (I assume city folk who refused to pay for trash service)

      You assume wrong, "country bumpkin", since "trash service" is something usually only businesses have to pay for in a city.

    19. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by nbauman · · Score: 1
    20. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      (I assume city folk who refused to pay for trash service)

      You assume wrong, "country bumpkin", since "trash service" is something usually only businesses have to pay for in a city.

      As a non-commercial resident of a medium size urban setting in which trash pickup service most definitely does have to be paid for on a per-residence basis, I posit that reality disagrees. They even charge us a (rather hefty, IMO) fee to use the already-funded-by-taxes landfill... bastards.

      That, or what you and I refer to as "trash service" are two completely different things, although it's more likely you're operating under the quite incorrect assumption that every region on the planet functions exactly the same as where you live.

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    21. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      As with how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie-Roll Pop, the world may never know.

      Three!

      You only think that because owls can't count to four.

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    22. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's not what I'm here to talk about...

    23. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      [D]ad and I used to see the same damn people dumping bags of trash on our road every week... later, the people who dumped the trash awakened to find every last fucking piece of it we had collected over the months spread across their own front lawn.

      LOL! Classic!

      And most definitely true. The best way to get some practice stopped is to spread the pain around.

      People who were originally content to let problems remain unsolved, become amazingly anxious to see solutions put in place when THEY find the problem (literally in this case) on their front door step!

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    24. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      I live in a medium sized town in Indiana, and the problem has become bad enough that the police are telling people NOT to pick-up dumped trash for fear it's a portable Meth lab.

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    25. Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      Sweet.

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  19. Appropriate Signage by LF11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Place signs around the area (they do not have to be large) saying, "Video Surveillance in Use." Make sure you clean up any existing trash.

    If dumping persists, use a game camera to take pictures, then tack up some large prints of the perps dumping.

    Something like this: https://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=video+surveillance+signs&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1173&bih=640&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8862164393585909605&sa=X&ei=okp0UO2UPMWXiAKB-YHAAQ&ved=0CGsQ8gIwBg

    People really pay attention to little cues like this when they are doing something nefarious. Good luck.

    1. Re:Appropriate Signage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Violators will be shot on sight." has more umph.

    2. Re:Appropriate Signage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about: "Danger. Mine field." :-)

    3. Re:Appropriate Signage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If dumping persists, use a game camera to take pictures, then tack up some large prints of the perps dumping."

      Just call a few friends to remove the crap and do some fake dumping photos yourself during that operation, no need for expensive cameras.
      One image of the fake dumping, one with fake mugshots.

       

    4. Re:Appropriate Signage by martyros · · Score: 1

      Place signs around the area (they do not have to be large) saying, "Video Surveillance in Use." Make sure you clean up any existing trash.

      I thought about suggesting this; but it may just cause the person to wear a ski mask / mud up his license plate before doing the dumping. Plus, it doen't actually stop the dumper, it just tells him to go to the next house down the road.

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    5. Re:Appropriate Signage by LF11 · · Score: 1

      Dumping is a petty crime; they pretty much dump where it is easy and they won't get caught. The bother of putting on a ski mask and mudding up the license plates is far more than going down a different road and dumping. Which brings us to your second point, which is very correct. I have no idea how to change a person's mindset so they don't dump in the first place. If you ever figure it out, please pretty please let us know!

    6. Re:Appropriate Signage by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      People really pay attention to little cues like this when they are doing something nefarious. Good luck.

      Or they just pull a balaclava over their head, tape over the license plates, and keep doing it, since "video surveillance in use" signs almost invariably mean "not monitored in realtime" in remote areas. Not that I'd count on your average opportunistic criminal to think that far ahead, but... be honest with yourself: This is a deterrent, not a preventative action. As others have pointed out: Criminals are usually pretty stupid. Trash usually contains unpaid bills and receipts with their name or other personally-identifiable information on it.

      Check with your local police department about the fines for littering/dumping. They'll probably be quite happy to fine them, as well as having them pay for cleanup costs (that would be your time, good sir).

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    7. Re:Appropriate Signage by green1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which brings us to your second point, which is very correct. I have no idea how to change a person's mindset so they don't dump in the first place. If you ever figure it out, please pretty please let us know!

      There is no 100% method, but the best way is to make sure they get caught. Scaring them off your property just sends them to someone else's, having the police fine and/or jail them sends a message that this isn't socially acceptable behaviour. This is why the camera idea, while a lot more effort for the submitter, is a better option than simply signs implying cameras or guns. It is actually possibly less effective in the short run for the submitter (especially if dealing with multiple people dumping), and takes more time, effort, and money then the signs, but it helps all of society, not just himself.
      I applaud the submitter for going this route.

    8. Re:Appropriate Signage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done a little dumping, based purely out of revenge. In my case it's just making unauthorized use of a trash bin at an apartment complex where I used to live, where the horrible management burned me on a number of things. Most likely they're not even aware that it's happened, and depending on their contract it may not even be costing them anything, but I've stuck them with a few pieces of broken furniture and minor construction waste over the years to restore the karmic balance.

      I can't imagine dumping stuff on someone's private property, though.

  20. Neighbors by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I grew up in a semi-rural area so I know what I'm talkin bout here:

    Figure out why your neighbors hate you and convince them to like you. Lets be realistic, middle of nowhere, nobody's driving 500 miles just to dump on your land... You pissed someone off who lives VERY nearby and the folks who could bust him are better friends with him than you. Fix that.

    Talk to your local politicans and get fees removed from the community landfill. That's insane. Not legally permissible where I live, I believe by state reg, because the DNR doesn't want to spend $20000 cleaning up dumped motor oil as a result of "profit" they'd make from charging $5 at the landfill, not to mention it provides a profit motive for turning touristy scenery into a 3rd world wasteland. Sometimes a double taxation argument works... Govt already made 5% sales tax when I bought my motor oil, presumably they don't need another 5% to dispose of it.

    Another thing I don't understand is I cannot throw out steel or metal anything without the local meth heads stealing it and getting money for it at the junkyard. Other stuff you're reporting sounds bogus. Goodwill accepts anything electronic and sometimes makes a profit reselling it. There's a veterans group who collect furniture, drive up to your house with a pickup and they unload "for free" although since they're doing "good" I slip them some cash (knowing its probably paying for their lunch instead of going in their treasury, and I don't mind a bit). The only thing I can kinda understand is the countertop, but only kinda. Like where do those come from? If its wood, burn it. If its rock, bury it. If its steel the meth heads already stole it. So...

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    1. Re:Neighbors by Kuroji · · Score: 1

      Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue. This is likely only one or two people deciding to dump there, and they may not have had the flash of insight of 'we can make a few bucks instead of just throwing out the shit we don't want'.

      Frankly considering what they're tossing out it sounds like it may be someone renovating a home, in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap, just not wanting to be bothered to take it to the dump and deal with the fees.

    2. Re:Neighbors by vlm · · Score: 1

      Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue

      Its more of a suspension of disbelief thing. There's no meth heads anywhere nearby? Nobody who knows you get paid for scrap metal, not pay to dispose of it? Put up a post on craigslist, "free scrap steel and stuff".

      in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap

      Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work, and probably a pretty stupid one at that.

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    3. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did I, and you're wrong. People won't drive 500 miles to dump, but it's quite common for them to go 50-100 miles to dump entire truckloads of trash. Seen it happen; been in the truck when it happened. It isn't always that shifty-looking neighbor down the street, so stop throwing other peoples' garbage into his yard for no reason.

      Further, as you're going on about how you dispose of motor oil at the local land fill, you really don't have any business giving people advice on where and how to dispose of household goods. You're doing it wrong. Oil gets recycled; it even says on the fscking label not to dump it. Yeah, there's lots of places that will take in what many throw into the landfill, like used motor oil, but have you pondered that whomever is responsible for the dumping isn't the type to put much thought into they whyfors and the howtos?

    4. Re:Neighbors by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work, and probably a pretty stupid one at that.

      If I were to wager a guess, I'd go with "slumlord"

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    5. Re:Neighbors by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yep. In my small, rural town, everybody gets to dump 200 pounds of stuff every month for free. Further, once a year, you can dump all you can haul over in a one week time frame. We have free electronic junk recycling. We haul off cars for free (boats you have to pay a bit extra for unless they're aluminum).

      People still go to the end of the road to dump off stuff that you can legally drop off for free. And they leave envelopes / pay stubs and all manner of incriminating evidence.

      The amount of stupid in the water is truly amazing.

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    6. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did I, and you're wrong. People won't drive 500 miles to dump, but it's quite common for them to go 50-100 miles to dump entire truckloads of trash. Seen it happen; been in the truck when it happened.

      Were you part of the trash, or the one who dumped it? :-)

    7. Re:Neighbors by kulervo · · Score: 2

      Vlm -

      I know it is ridiculous, but a personal anecdote:

      I was hiking in Virginia, somewhere along the Appalachian Trail. I was up on top of a ridgeline when I saw some junked tires near the trail but in the woods. It took me another 30 minutes of downhill walking to get to the next road crossing. Now it is possible that there was a closer road that I (a non-local) did not know about, but I would like to point out that it was still up-hill. Someone had hauled tires up hill just to throw them in the woods.

      People apparently are quite willing to spend time and effort on this kind of crap.

    8. Re:Neighbors by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depending on the age of the tires, you may have stumbled upon a historic dump! Tires hold up remarkably well over time.

      The land that forms Shenandoah National Park was condemned in the 1930s. Most of them have passed on, but you might still find some folks who remember being evicted off their land and have an abiding hate for the Federal government which is part of a long tradition among mountain folk dating back to the Whiskey Rebellion, carried on by Prohibition, and nurtured by various other grievances to this very day. Their children are certainly still alive and brought up on the stories.

      I haven't seen a dump site, but I have seen a marked site where a school and some other buildings formerly existed. Only the stone walls endured. Some of the smaller parks in Virginia have backstories like this too. Bull Run is fascinating--ruins and Civil War brestworks which are kind of like half-open trenches. There's another web site out there that explains how a "ditch in the woods" that I never thought twice about is actually the channel for a mill that once ground grain.

      Anyway, you might have found an archaelogical site as opposed to a modern dump. When the trash was left, there was a poorly graded road which is now overgrown with trees. Finding 80 year old roads in the woods is an art; it's amazing how quicly nature reclaims things.

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    9. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in Rural Wyoming. The closest Goodwill store we had was a couple hours drive away. The people that take away furniture and electronics for free are almost always located in cities, or near urban areas. And they aren't going to drive a couple hours to pick up a 35 year old stained couch worth maybe $20 or a 50 year old B&W television.

      Also, NO furniture stores would deliver to our neck of the woods when I was growing up. Very few do now, so if you bought furniture you would truck it in yourselves and truck out anything removed, usually to an empty field or some kids fort. There was no delivery and free haul-away.

      The same goes for junkyard and recycling centers. They aren't on every corner and sometimes are a couple hours of driving away.

      They might be from the next town over, but most likely it's neighbors people know, so the first point definitely stands.

      And where you put down "If its wood, burn it", I immediately put you down as a "City boy". Fire restrictions exist in TONS of rural areas. Did you not see the massive wildfires this last year? Fines in the thousands of dollars for burning without a permit? Fireworks restrictions? Any of that? When you talk country and rural areas, think of places where the nearest GROCERY store is over an hours drive away.

      As for cameras:
      http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3413551

      Good luck.

    10. Re:Neighbors by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a semi-rural area so I know what I'm talkin bout here:

      No, really you don't.
       

      Figure out why your neighbors hate you and convince them to like you. Lets be realistic, middle of nowhere, nobody's driving 500 miles just to dump on your land... You pissed someone off who lives VERY nearby and the folks who could bust him are better friends with him than you. Fix that.

      Neighbors don't generally have as much to dump of the type of materials he describes... and they generally dump garbage since that's what they *do* have ongoing quantities of.
       
      And the "middle of nowhere 500 miles" is an invention of your own mind... I've lived in half a dozen places in the US where areas like he describes (semi-remote, off the grid cabins) can be found only five or ten miles (at most) outside of town - and people *will* drive that distance to dump. The place I own part of, and which we have clean up a couple of times a year, seems pretty remote when you're standing there... but it's only three miles outside of town and a mile off of a busy state highway and a quarter mile past the (thinly) built up area. (We suspect it's a dumping ground because unlike the places closer to the main road, the driveway is behind a curve.)
       

      Another thing I don't understand

      There's much you don't understand grasshopper. That leads you to confuse assumptions with facts.

    11. Re:Neighbors by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Goodwill does not take old tube type TV's of any size. Nobody wants them and they are expensive to dispose of. Best Buy and other retailers do accept used electronics for disposal in most states, free of charge though.

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    12. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goodwill accepts anything electronic

      Goodwill (along with the other charities) doesn't accept computers in my neck of the woods. If they did, they'd be buried in them.

    13. Re:Neighbors by tilante · · Score: 1

      He didn't say anything about dumping the used motor oil; all he said was that the DNR is smarter than to charge for disposing of it at the landfill. Now, I don't know about where you live, but where I live, the local landfill also accepts motor oil, flourescent light bulbs, electronics, etc. for recycling. That's also "disposing of it" from the point of view of the person who's getting rid of it.

    14. Re:Neighbors by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      ... the local landfills around here collect motor oil for recycling.

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    15. Re:Neighbors by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      It's the same either way.

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    16. Re:Neighbors by tilante · · Score: 1

      Goodwill's web site says to check with your area's branch of Goodwill Industries to see what electronics they will and won't accept. Most Goodwills do take computers, though, as long as they're still working - indeed, Goodwill has partnered with Dell to help handle their computer recycling.

    17. Re:Neighbors by vlm · · Score: 1

      I immediately put you down as a "City boy". Fire restrictions exist in TONS of rural areas

      Ah true in the west. Other than drought years pretty much anywhere east of Mississippi we have more water than we know what to do with. Not to make you jealous but when you schedule your burning to avoid seasonal (or year around?) fire restrictions, we schedule our recreational bonfires to avoid rain downpours. None of that stuff will burn if it rained for the last three days...

      I'll give you "extreme rural" 1 person (or less) per square mile land exists. That just cuts down on the suspect list.

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    18. Re:Neighbors by PPH · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a semi-rural area so I know what I'm talkin bout here:

      Figure out why your neighbors hate you and convince them to like you.

      OP is one of those durned intellechewals who knows how to use teh Internets and stuff. No wonder they hate his guts.

      Convince them to like you? How long were the Hatfields and McCoys going at it? Some things just don't fix easily.

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    19. Re:Neighbors by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Ironically, what I've seen most illegal dumpers will do it in the woods under a mile from the actual dump, or state parks. It's not about the money, it's about being an asshat.

    20. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time send some rain our way. I watched the fires burning near Glendo, WY for a week this summer. It was too close for comfort. BTW, if you ever come to Wyoming for Camping and relaxation, Glendo is awesome. Tons of great childhood memories there.

    21. Re:Neighbors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, intents and purposes?

  21. Fuckin' boot lickers by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

    And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?

    On your own property? To catch trespassers dumping garbage?

    Jeebus, is our country so in the shit we need to ask that now? Why should corporations and the government have a right to surveil and that right be denied to us? Why is every sentence in this post a question?

  22. Go to Bass Pro by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    Go to Bass Pro and get some deer cams or just google "deer cam". You can get them as cheap as $100. They do exactly what you want. End of story.

  23. Goats by ClayDowling · · Score: 1

    A goat or two pastured in the area, if you're not averse to raising livestock. Goats are very protective of their territory. Might not be a viable solution if you're not around very often, but effective otherwise.

    1. Re:Goats by CowTipperGore · · Score: 1

      A goat or two pastured in the area, if you're not averse to raising livestock. Goats are very protective of their territory.

      I suggest a donkey

    2. Re:Goats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and here I was expecting someone to post goatse

    3. Re:Goats by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      There was a spot on "1000 ways to die" like that. Some DEA hotshot was harassing a farmer looking for pot planted in the woods. Farmer told him not to go in a certain field and hotshot stormed straight there... Promptly caught an angry bull! Oops!

  24. Trail cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ditto on the trail came suggestion. I deployed one of these to try and catch someone who was stealing supplies and product. I bought a camera that allegedly transmitted no visible light when recording at night via IR; the problem was it did transmit a small amount of light in the red spectrum. I gambled on it anyway and hoped it wouldn't be detected. I caught my thief, I'm pretty sure, but the thief stole the Compact Flash card from the camera in the process of being filmed.. This was inside a small outbuilding; if you're recording in the woods, you'll have a much easier time concealing the camera.

    1. Re:Trail cams by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Game animals are often colorblind and can't see that little bit of red.. Or don't care. It lets you know it's working.

      Next time use TWO ... So the cameras can watch each other!

  25. Look through what they're dumping by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    If there's any papers in it, there's a good chance you'll find names and addresses.

    Imagine a phone call that starts like this:
    "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it."

    This strategy is in addition to any cameras you might have set up.

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    1. Re:Look through what they're dumping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes sir Officer Obie... I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under the garbage.

    2. Re:Look through what they're dumping by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      I was hoping someone would catch that reference to a typical American case of blind justice.

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  26. You didn't tell us where you live. by Elbereth · · Score: 1

    You didn't tell us where you live. How are we supposed to help you, if we don't even know what country you live in? Because this is Slashdot, I guess we can just assume that you're talking about the USA (possibly Canada). But then we still don't know what state (or province) you live in! I mean, I support the One World Government as much as the next Illuminati member, but until we can bring about that glorious revolution, we'll just have to deal with all these fractured governments.

    First of all, I'd try contacting the local police. You weren't explicit about who owns the land that's being used as an illegal dumping ground, but, once again, I'm going to assume that it's yours. It sounds like some laws are being broken here, but because I haven't the faintest clue where you live, all I can do is guess. Second, I'd contact some environmental activists. They live for this kind of stuff. Take some pictures, set up a blog, and get really melodramatic about how the land is being despoiled and raped. You'll get a few hippies volunteering to watch the land. No video cameras needed. Hell, they might even donate a few. If you seemed like a nice enough guy and you caught me on a good day, I might even help out.

    If you just want to buy new toys and play with them, then I suspect that you'll do better going to a forum more dedicated to paranoid conspiracy theories (they love this kind of spy thriller technology), hunting, and/or survivalism.

    1. Re:You didn't tell us where you live. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow what a snarky, condescending response.

      The police probably won't do much unless you know who's dumping, there's a danger involved, or it's a large scale dumping operation. You could set up a blog with the hopes of getting a few hippies interested in camping out on your lawn. Or you can save your time and buy a hunter's camera for $150. Then go to the cops with the tape.

  27. Costco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Costco has exactly what you are looking for, waterproof outdoor camera battery operated that takes video on SD cards. Like $100 or so.

  28. Recycle for bucks by DCFusor · · Score: 1
    I live in the middle of nowhere myself, and a couple of places have turned out to be semi-major dump sites for washing machines, refridgerators, general junk from gas grills to tires and so on.
    .

    I take my lawn tractor and cart to these places and load that stuff up, then take it to the metal recyclers. Makes a few bucks if you wait till you have a load big enough to counter your gas money for the trip. A little extra work to separate the copper from the iron pays off nicely too.
    .

    Since I also heat with wood, snail mail spam is always welcome here - free btu's.
    .

    But if you just want to be angry - yeah, get a deer cam and experience the frustration that the cops aren't going to do diddly squat for you on this.

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  29. Game camera by sizzop · · Score: 1

    You're obviously not a hunter. A game camera is what you're describing. They're camo motion activated cameras you mount to a tree. You can have it snap pictures to an SD card, some of them have night vision, etc. Cabelas has some examples: http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&N=0&fsch=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=game+camera&x=0&y=0&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products

    1. Re:Game Camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your legal right. Just say I was looking to see what type of wildlife is on the property and caught these SOBs dumping trash.

  30. Legally by whitedsepdivine · · Score: 2

    Legally the only restriction is audio recording someone without their consent where they do not have an expectation to privacy. That means if they are trespassing or dumping illegally they should not have an expectation of privacy. Excluding audio removes any legal issues, but you may be in your own right to audio record them if it is your property.

    1. Re:Legally by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Careful, recording laws vary from state to state. Some places might find video or photos in violation of the law without consent, even without audio. Personally, I'd consult the local police and let them know what was going on, what I intended to do about it and what would be helpful for them to help it stop.

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  31. spikes by samjam · · Score: 1

    Put lots of spikes in the ground that will keep them out (or in)

    1. Re:spikes by samjam · · Score: 1

      Of course put up a sign saying: "Danger - no dumping - spikes in ground!"

      Then they have themselves to blame when they get a flat tyre or four

    2. Re:spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Central Virginia if you set man-traps or booby-traps you can be charged criminally if someone is hurt.

    3. Re:spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even worse, in California you can be held accountable for any injuries for a trespasser. If they trip over a rock while ripping the compressor out of your A/C for copper, they have full rights to sue. Then there is the issue of "dutiful retreat" which means one has to leave if a burglar is present.

    4. Re:spikes by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of caltrops. Always good to have a supply.

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    5. Re:spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in California, trespassers are responsible for themselves when it comes to natural hazards, and additionally for accidents involving man made objects that were not dangerous due to neglect. Tripping over a rock is pretty far into the area landlords are not liable for.

    6. Re:spikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad I live in Texas where you can shoot an intruder on your property.....

  32. A better solution is to fake them out. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Post "YOU ARE ON CAMERA" signs and put up several decoy Video cameras around where they are visible. add some solar motion lights as well.

    They will move on as they think you are watching them.

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  33. Wildlife Cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes there is a perfect solution. You can purchase a Wildlife camera that is battery powered. You can mount the camera to a tree or a building and it monitors movement using a PIR (passive Infared) sensor. When movement is detected is takes a snapshot, and the image is stored on a flash media. There is on issue. Some of the cameras use a photoflash for taking pictures in the dark or low light conditions. If the flash goes off, its going to notify the perps of the camera and they will probably steal it.

    I would set up a few of the cameras (hidden) and then check them, you can pull the flash and view the images. I would go with more than one since its likely that one would capture sufficient information (such as a license plate number). Expect some false positives as wildlife in the area will trigger the camera.

  34. camera recommendation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've bought the MUVI VCC-05 (for other purposes) and I believe it cycles video but it certainly timestamps. You can buy weatherproof case, and it has a sound trigger. As far as power source goes, I think you can hack something up with a solar panel to batteries. The camera is about $150, so I suppose you'll have to figure out if it's worth the cost.

    Good luck

  35. Trail Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about using a Trail Camera, basically an Infrared, battery operated, motion detecting, Camera. I think they do video or photos.

  36. Just get a game camera by dbc · · Score: 1

    There are loads of "game cameras" sold to hunters to scout hunting locations. It's going to be hard to beat the performance and value of a game camera. Check the usual sources.

    That said... I have a somewhat similar situation, a mountain property and private road that is a fire road. But we have a locked gate with 10 lock slots. Out where I am at, as long as PG&E has a lock slot so that their meter readers can get up the road (to read meters at radio towers on the mountain top), and as long as the gate is "crashable", you are good to go. The CalFire trucks are all fitted with crash bars so if they come to a gate on a fire road, and you didn't have the sense to leave it unlocked as you evacuated, they can crash the gate with their truck and lift it off the hinges. Or they use a Cat, which they usually have along anyway. In case of wildfire, the gate is sacrificial. And I can say from personal experience, when you have evacuated and are watching a YouTube feed of a firebomber drop a load of orange fire retardant on your property, you say, "Hell, yes, I'll fix the gate, crash it whenever you like." Of course, we left the gate unlocked for them so it wasn't an issue.

    My point: Go check with the authorities. Maybe you *can* have a gate with certain requirements. If it is a privately maintained road, that is.

    1. Re:Just get a game camera by mlts · · Score: 1

      Here in Texas, we have "Knox boxes" which are sturdy steel lockboxes which are attached to fences or embedded in cement. They use a Medeco lock, and are keyed to what the local PD or fire recommends. In the box is a key to whatever is relevant.

      If there is an issue, the response people just fish the keys out of the Knox Box, open the gate, and be on their way.

  37. simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to a store that has hunting gear, such as Academy, Bass Pro Shop, Cabelas, etc.

    Buy a "Game Camera". They are digital cameras with motion sensors. Put it up in a tree, point it at the spot. They make them anywhere from $20 to $500+.

  38. Personal information by korgitser · · Score: 1

    Where I live, the dumpers are usually stupid enough to include some personal information with the trash. Envelopes with ardessess and so on. Take a look and bring the law upon them.

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    1. Re:Personal information by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      He said, "Kid,
      we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
      I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage."

      After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
      and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the police officer's station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
      shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the police officer's station.

      Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
      being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
      and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again, which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
      there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
      can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car."

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    2. Re:Personal information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I unfortunately have a story relating to this, a few years back we found a pile of trash in one of our fields. The dumper was stupid enough to have a few dozen letters/bills with his address/phone number in them. We attempted to report it to the police but their basic response was "its not worth our time". So we called their number and threatened to call the police, it was a bluff but it worked, the next week all of the trash was gone. I would second some of the other suggestions that in this situation a dummy camera should be set up along with hidden trail cameras, if you have a PD as lazy as ours you can entice them a bit more to do something about it with a destruction of private property or theft charge when they try to destroy the fake camera.

  39. Try to get a shared lock for a gate by cruff · · Score: 1

    Have you even asked the local government about a lock for the gate that both you and they have a key for? Here in Boulder County (CO), there are some fire roads that are normally locked to prevent idiots from going where they have no business being.

    1. Re:Try to get a shared lock for a gate by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Non-idiots just cut a new trail around the gate. At least that's what we do in the Sierra when the feds decide we 'have no business' in the woods where we have been for decades.

      We've been known to blow up boulders they put on logging roads (where they actually find a choke point). They haven't been able to close off many acres, despite considerable effort.

      On the other hand someone found a back route up the Rubicon trail, put a station wagon up there just to piss us off. We searched the woods for about a week, until we found the back entrance and closed it down.

      And don't get me started about the state 'fixing' the obstacles so a lame stock Rubicon edition Jeep could make it up the trail. We fixed that back up too. In general no stock vehicle is allowed up the Rubicon. You have to build your rig, not buy it.

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    2. Re:Try to get a shared lock for a gate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-idiots just cut a new trail around the gate. At least that's what we do in the Sierra when the feds decide we 'have no business' in the woods where we have been for decades.

      We've been known to blow up boulders they put on logging roads (where they actually find a choke point). They haven't been able to close off many acres, despite considerable effort.

      On the other hand someone found a back route up the Rubicon trail, put a station wagon up there just to piss us off. We searched the woods for about a week, until we found the back entrance and closed it down.

      And don't get me started about the state 'fixing' the obstacles so a lame stock Rubicon edition Jeep could make it up the trail. We fixed that back up too. In general no stock vehicle is allowed up the Rubicon. You have to build your rig, not buy it.

      Wow, sounds like a bunch of hypocritical redneck assholes. Glad I live nowhere near you.

  40. Knox lock on a gate by beberly37 · · Score: 1

    Put up a gate and lock it. You can talk to the local fire department about the right Knox Lock or fire access lock/box; every commercial building has a box that FD has a key to that is filled with keys to the building and they make Knox pad locks so the FD can get into gated areas.

  41. Game Cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you need is a good Game camera.
    http://www.basspro.com/Bushnell-Trophy-Cam-8-0-Megapixel-Digital-Game-Camera/product/10211917/

  42. Dummy camera + real camera by hack++slash · · Score: 1

    The trail camera is a good idea but what if you were to take it a step further, putting up a sign saying the property is covered by CCTV and install a dummy camera that isn't hidden, plus a trail camera that is hidden. If you put up a sign and they couldn't see any cameras they might just think you're just bluffing, but if you give them something to find then they probably won't think about looking for a hidden one.

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  43. Why bother turning them in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvZhRUsKNG4

    I'm sure Aperture Labs would also sell you a self-contained power unit for the thing. Problem Solved.

  44. PlantCam for $99 by microcars · · Score: 1

    look up PLANTCAM on Amazon. Several models by the same company. time-lapse pics also video, motion activated uses batteries and an SD card I think.

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  45. Remote long term camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out Harbortronics.com.
    They sell a wholly autonomous solar powered stills camera that could run remotely for a year, programmable to take a shot every 5 minutes.
    Hunting cameras I presume are only intended to work over a day (night). Expensive, but great for long term recording.

    However, to be honest, the sign would be cheaper....

  46. What country? by FenixBrood · · Score: 1

    I would put up a fake camera and a sign that says "This site is monitored, dumping is not allowed." ps What country do you live in where it cost to recycle stuff?

  47. Check with the fire department. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They may allow you to add a gate as long as you use the correct locking mechanism they have a key for. I've seen plenty of 'fire access' roads that have gates on them either with the 'chain of padlocks' sealing it shut or a more complex mechanism specifically to let 'any of X' keys open the gate.

  48. Board with nails by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Inform the local fire department that the road is booby trapped (with location and methods) and use a board with nails in it to puncture their tires. It'll make dumping on your land really expensive. With any luck you'll fix the problem before the fire trucks need to go down it.

    A neighbor of mine had a similar problem in that the county road made a hairpin turn around what used to be an old barn and stream that had since been removed. One of the locals got the idea of just driving across his land rather than do the turn. It was a great idea for a a few weeks then the PO got tired and put a 2x6 with nails in the field. Problem solved.

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  49. Yes you can bar the road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forest fire fighters usually come equipped with 3 foot bolt cutters. A locked barrier is only a minor nusiace. What is really important is that you remove as much trash as possible. This will help discourage future activity, since people tend to put trash next to other trash.

  50. Wingscapes by kulervo · · Score: 1

    Agree with all the above trail cam/deer cam people.

    Personal recommendation for the Wingscapes Bird camera. I set one up with an eye-fi memory card for my mother a few years ago, worked great.

  51. Unbelievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First-World problems....

  52. Re:Bushnell? + Claymore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Packed with C4 and buckshots.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_mine

  53. Throw a party. by scorp1us · · Score: 2

    And by party, I mean set off fireworks when they arrive. Use a trigger that I got from IED-using insurgents in Iraq. You can use two hacksaw blades in a hose that act as a switch when driven on. Have this trigger a rocket motor igniter that ignites a rocket motor that lights several fuses which then sends fireworks up in the air announcing their unexpected arrival. IIRC, you only need 3 volts.

    That should be enough to scare them away. But you can also use it to trigger cameras too.

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    1. Re:Throw a party. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What could go wrong with setting off fireworks in an area full of brush with no one watching. I guess he did say it was a fire lane, so the fire dept. should already know where the road is.

  54. Tiger trap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post a *Private Property* sign, and in a more common dumping area dig a deep pit. Do not put in the sharpened sticks. Cover with brush. Wait.
     
      In a way that's how my neighbors caught a burglar... They were having some renovations done that had the basement steps taken out. Went on a week long trip, came back, and heard the screams of the burglar that had broken in, blindly stepped into the basement and shattered his legs...

    1. Re:Tiger trap... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      How much did they settle the lawsuit for?

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  55. Just post a sign that says by na1led · · Score: 1

    "Trespassers will be SHOT!". I'm they'll think twice about coming around.

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    1. Re:Just post a sign that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Trespassers will be SHOT!". I'm they'll think twice about coming around.

      Survivors will be shot again

  56. About those Game Cameras... Response Time by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 2

    The OP specifically wants to capture identifiable information such as a license plate. Beware that most game cameras have a very slow response time, that is, it could be 1 to 3 seconds after detecting "game" that they take a picture. This is OK for deer or other critters (I've captured shots of racoons and groundhogs) but may not be effective with moving vehicles. Please try before you buy.

  57. Remote Surveillance System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try these guys. They make an off the grid surveillance system for oil and gas. Might be above bit above your price point though.

    ospreyinformatics.com

  58. Re:Apparently That's Okay Though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The signs probably won't work, no one is expecting them to act like a magic force field stopping stupid and selfish assholes alike. However, the signs would be really cheap compared to the money and effort needed for the camera system, so even if a small chance of it doing something could still work out to about the same benefit/cost as better systems. And I'm not saying they should be used instead of cameras, just that if you are going to put all that crap up, a few signs might suggest to someone you are paying attention. Even if the signs don't work, it is one more thing you can use to browbeat people in court that you caught on your property.

  59. Trail security cameras by btm · · Score: 1

    A few months back I set up something like this for keeping an eye on our woodlot. I bought from Trailcampro which had all the parts in one place and plenty of advice. I got the [Bushnell Trophy Cam] HD Max Ultimate Package, which included a camera, camouflage steel protective case, rechargeable batteries, charger, and a steel lock cable to lock the camera to the tree. The camera has what this industry calls a 'black infrared' flash for the camera to take pictures at night and reduce the likelihood of being seen. Years ago a game warden put up a trail camera near by to try to catch some bear poachers and just had it destroyed, which is why I opted for the steel case. Of course someone could still tear it apart or down, but they're not going to do so easily and will have to be very intentionally destructive.

    While being painted camouflage, it seemed pretty obviously not part of a tree to me so it was hard to find a place to mount it that both had cover and could see the area I was trying to watch. However I've been surprised by how few people who know it is out there have noticed it so far.

    The batteries last about two months and I go out monthly to switch SD cards just to keep up on whats going on. I've got the camera set to take three pictures when triggered, which increases the likelihood of seeing something identifying like a license plate.

    It works well and I'm pretty happy with it.

  60. An uncle of mine had the same problem by doginthewoods · · Score: 4, Funny

    The camera system worked great, but getting the trash picked up was left to him, and the cops wouldn't go after the dumpers. So he took an old pistol, loaded it with blanks, got a relay and hooked to the trigger, used the motion detector system to trigger the relay and put the whole thing where it was protected and hidden. And then put up a "trespassers will be shot" sign. That ended the dumping.

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  61. Hunter cams with cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,
              There are game cameras with Cel phones in them so your pictures are sent right away. Not sure of the price but phones are pretty cheap now. Second check on your state law, in PA the owner of the vehicle is responsible for the dumping fine ($300) so you don''t have to identify the people just the vehicle. Dumpster diving in the trash is what our State Game Wardens do here (pro tip if the land is used for hunting talk to these guys rather than the State or Local police to enforce the law, they really enjoy this)
            Last time we had dumping they found id's in the trash and it was wonderful to see the smile, "I know this guy" said the warden and the dumping stopped.

  62. If it works... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't fix it.

    Hunters have been doing this for years (with film, and now digital) to figure out prey patterns with cameras that are built for concealment; what else would you recommend?

  63. Monterey County... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monterey County in California has implemented this approach: Posting signs along several roads where the worst dumping occurs saying "No Dumping: Video Surveillance In Progress", in addition to the signs that say "No Littering Or Dumping $1000 Fine..." per the California Penal Code, and then hiding portable video surveillance gear in various spots along the roads. The gear isn't always there but it is well hidden so no one knows when they're there or where they are at. The result is that dumping has been reduced to occasional littering. Enough people have been caught dumping that most people know that it's too risky.

  64. High Rez Trail Cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trail Cams are great, but spend the big $$ to get one with High Resolution or else you'll have grainy faces/license plates which won't be of any help at all.

    You'll need top sped upwards or U.S. $500.- each to get a decent one.

  65. get a wildview camera by v1 · · Score: 1

    http://www.google.com/search?q=wildview+cameras&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=wV90ULPTFNGgyAHboYCwAw&ved=0CDgQsxg&biw=1441&bih=902

    they're fairly cheap and good. Run on 4 C batteries or can be hooked directly to a car battery. Different models take different capacity SD cards. I have two for my birdfeeder. One takes bursts of 3 pics when the PIR detects movement, it uses a visible strobe for night time. The other is more up your alley, it uses a pir also, but can take picture bursts OR video, and uses a grid of 35 IR LEDs, range is about 35 feet. The IR leds are visible but only if you really are looking for them. I have a 16 gb SD card in the video one, which is more than it says it supports, but you have to format it carefully for it to use it to full capacity.

    Hunters strap them to trees, there's slots on them for that. There's also a locking latch to access the controls, battery, and sd card, but it's not really going to help much if they really want to take the evidence. Just camo it lightly and you'll be fine. I'd recommend getting two, one to watch the dumping area and one to watch the road (to try to get a plate #)

    Resolution varies depending on model.

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  66. Use two cameras by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    Put up a big obvious CCTV camera housing on a pole with a big obvious sign. This will attract the paintballs.

    Then stick a modern exterior CCTV camera up, with a wireless link back to your property. Or alternatively, just use 3G to backhaul it.

  67. When Ma Deuce speaks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...she speaks with authority. So does her little brother, Barrett.

    I have no tolerance for asshats. I think a couple shots should begin to discourage them. In your situation, I think it is probably the one group doing the dumping. Otherwise, it would be very sporadic.

    If you feel the need, I suggest using a sub-caliber sabot round. There are a couple manufacturers that produce .22 cal slugs in a .30 cal cartridge. Pro tip: A sabot round has no barrel markings. Just make certain you collect the plastic jacket. It'll be in line (more or less) with the target. They burn up pretty good if you use a propane or MAPP torch. (NB)

    I also recommend a Thomson Contender in 30-30 with a decent scope. You can shoot from a reclining position and be very well hidden. A Thomson Contender is like the Spanish Inquisition. Nobody expects it.

  68. Re:Apparently That's Okay Though by mk1004 · · Score: 1

    The UA 571-C Sentry Gun from Aliens would probably work.

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  69. Canon Hack Development Kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, if you're looking at doing this on a budget I would consider going for stills only. Get a cheap Canon camera that's compatable with CHDK. Stick some high capacity batteries in there and use motion detection to trigger the shots.

    http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK

    £30ish - job done.

  70. GNU Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use the GNU radio project and record the 90 second pings from the cell phones.

    Then you'd have the phone of the parties responsible along with the camera data.

  71. Cameras: A Waste of Money... by morari · · Score: 2

    You could setup some nice wildlife cameras, but the police aren't going to do anything about dumpers. Even if you have clear photos of their vehicle, license plate, their faces, and them in the process of dumping. Best that you just put a gate up... or better yet, bury some 2x4s in the trail with screws sticking up out of them. If you have the time, and the dumping occurs frequently enough, maybe sit up one evening with your pump shotgun.

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    1. Re:Cameras: A Waste of Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could take any usable shots to the local TV station and try to get them to do a story with a public shaming element by broadcasting them.

  72. Legal? by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

    And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record

    FFS people, if the police can do it, so can we. These are "public" areas with no expectation of privacy rights! Right? Some days I just do not understand the world we live in...

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    "but money is the God of Algiers & Mahomet their prophet." - Rich. O'Bryen June 8th 1786
    1. Re:Legal? by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

      To reply to myself: I have often wanted to put up a camera to scan all cars driving by, and post publicly the route timings of police cars. I wonder how well that would go over... It _should_ be public knowledge. After all it could just as easily be accomplished by someone sitting there doing it in person so legally it should be no different when done by a camera - according to any realistic thought process. After all it is public information since we can all _see_ that cop car driving around. If "the man" can start pulling these stunts on us, we should be able to do so on them. Further more there should then be a citizen collective of drones flying to watch the watchers. Fair? It should be.

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    2. Re:Legal? by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      Depends on state and local laws - whether the property is private, whether he owns the road, etc. "out in the middle of no-where" is not the first place I expect to find a hidden camera. Look up your state's public recording laws.

  73. Trail Cams woke well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here you go. Inexpensive and should do the trick nicely.

    http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/hunting-scouting-feeders-trail-cameras/_/N-1100176?WT.z_mc_id1=43000000147167090&WT.srch=1&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=google|hun_Wildlife+Management_Trail+Cameras|USA&rid=20&pcrid=8194945977

  74. DIY trailcams website by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 1

    I ran into this site a few months ago, and it talks about the various cameras, etc. http://www.diytrailcams.com/

  75. a bit expensive, but solar powered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this product uses 3g and has solar and camera addon options.
    http://www.winkstreaming.com/en/transporter/ its expensive from what I gather, but it does the job you are after.

    1. Re:a bit expensive, but solar powered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  76. Moultrie Game Spy L-50 5.0 Megapixel Digital Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moultrie Game Spy L-50 5.0 Megapixel Digital Game Camera
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Moultrie-Game-Spy-L-50-5.0-Megapixel-Digital-Game-Camera/16386227#ProductDetail

  77. Bear traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy 20 foot chomping bear traps and set them wear the dumpers normally drag their crap. Check on the traps daily.

  78. Hire a PI. by GodInHell · · Score: 1

    Depending on your state and locality, you might be able to hire a private investigator for less than the cost of a new camera. Ask around until you find one that already has that equipment and pay him to go do the set-up for you. If this is happening more than a couple times a week, he/she could hang out on or near the property and catch them in the act.

    It never occurred to me to use a PI until I became an attorney -- now I get to use them all the time. I've found a few in the Chicago area that are very resourceful practical people with good people skills -- excellent people to know in almost any walk of life.

  79. 45-70 Govt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in addition to the camera, I would recomend anything chambered in 45-70

  80. Land Mines by Rockstar+Rich+G · · Score: 1

    Fuck the 'NO TRESPASSING' or 'NO DUMPING' signs, what you need are a couple signs that read DANGER: LAND MINES.

  81. car cams by ArrayIndexOutOfBound · · Score: 1

    Cheap car-cams are all over ebay - for about £30 + sd card, you can get motion activated, hd cams with substantial lithium batteries and a range of features. Some are crap, some are awesome - use common sense when sorting through ebay... Most can also chop (e.g. 1 hour blocks) and cycle (e.g. auto-delete oldest). Depending on your quality settings, sd card size etc, you may be able to leave it until there is something dumped (as long as you check and recharge / replace battery occasionally). Beware of trees though - wind can trigger motion sensors and easily eat up batteries.

  82. Game Camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just buy a game camera. You can pick it up at most outdoor hunting stores or over the internet. They don't cost much, and run on motion.

  83. Just hum a bar of ALICE'S RESTAURANT and walk out by j-stroy · · Score: 1
  84. Homebuilt solution by moonwatcher2001 · · Score: 1

    The October 2012 issue of "Nuts and Volts" magazine has: Remote Data Logger & Surveillance Cam Audio/Video by Andy Sullivan Need to keep an eye on something but can’t be there in person? This remote monitor features visual and messaging feedback. Page 40

  85. You could try putting up fake camers by geekoid · · Score: 1

    with a sign:
    You are being recorded via an Uplink camera.
    Illegal duping will resort in a $2200 Fine

    See what happens.

    If you are in a truly small town, have someone from the other side of the country send you something. n in a box from the "Uplink Camera Corp." Just have them put a phone book in it.

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  86. Motion by fa2k · · Score: 1

    There's a piece of free software called "motion", which takes JPEG snapshots when something moves in the picture. It works reasonably well if you don't point it at vegetation that moves in the wind. You can also define an exclusion mask. The webcam may be damaged by the sunlight (the colours will change).

    I used one for some weeks, just to take picture of "wildlife" like squirrels and cast.

    If you' want to go cheap you could get a raspberry pi and an ordinary webcam, but you'd need a solar cell and a batter, which may be expensive. It may also be difficult to waterproof (but if it's cheap, it doesn't matter that much). A benefit would be that you could hook it up with a mobile data card and have access to live streaming and look over hte pictures daily.

    1. Re:Motion by fa2k · · Score: 1

      I should add; This isn't a great solution if you just want to get it done. Lots of work on the software and hardware side, especially if you want the internet connection. I would think of it as a fun project, but if you aren't interested in that kind of thing there are much better pre-made options

  87. 500 miles to dump trash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't go at least that far, sometimes it finds its way back home.

    Its best to marry your daughter off to someone at least two counties over.

  88. A shotgun and a shovel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a handful of vacation days

  89. dropcam by apextek · · Score: 1

    i use dropcam, color during day, nightvision at night, 200 dollars and it records videos to an online server if you pay the monthly charge

  90. transport by wink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    runs on solar power, super easy to use. expensive though wink transporter

  91. A crash gate? by billrp · · Score: 1

    I thought a gate that can be crashed through by emergency fire vehicles was OK to block a road. The gate has a lock for you, and should be enough to keep out unwanteds, but any firetruck would knock it down without blinking.

  92. Data Logger Cam by jollyrgr3 · · Score: 1

    The October 2012 edition of Nuts and Volts magazine has just such a project. If you are lucky it is at your news stand now. You can use the "deer cam" as others have suggested. You could also use a Canon Power Shot digital camera in a water tight box with the "updated" firmware. Go to: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK and see what they have to offer. This software DOES NOT harm your camera or modify it. The "hack" is removed when you remove the SD card. You can get used Power Shot cameras on eBay for sub $50. You then place this in a wooden "bat box" or similar item with a small window. You want it to be water proof and obscure. Big battery pack (possibly solar charged) may be useful.

  93. Be wary by ckaminski · · Score: 1

    Any commercial infrared camera (game cameras) can be detected at night by simply turning the bright lights off. You'll have to spend $$$$$$ for motion sensing night vision gear if you don't want your evidence to "disappear" as the trash appears.

  94. Do an amazon search on "trail camera" by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Lots of models to choose from. Many are already camoflaged. As someone else mentioned, you can (somewhat dimly) see the IR LEDs if the ambient light is dim enough. To avoid having your trail camera stolen, one idea might be to put it inconveniently high up in a tree. So unless one of the things they're throwing away is a really long ladder, they won't be able to retrieve it, and its presence may act as a deterrent.

    (You could also have multiple cameras watching each other, but at $180 apiece, maybe not a lot of them.)

    Good luck. The bastards deserve to be arrested.

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  95. Mad Max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move away from California.

  96. Options by bigshohn · · Score: 1

    This was a topic I had researched some time ago for another purpose. Basically, the game cameras don't have enough resolution for the most part, to use in prosecution, if that is your aim, so I'd test first and ask that kind of question of the manufacturer. There are several products that pop up in the RV security space that would probably help, but be prepared to spend a little coin - about half a good sized Mac Book Pro or so. I'm currently evaluating a solution in this market that says it can send videos from each camera and conserves battery by only turning on the cameras when someone is in range of a motion sensor. You may way to search for RV security systems and look for those with 3g or similar capability. There are only a couple. If you are handy with electronics, you can get an arduino board that has support for 3g, cameras, and what not, but that would require development time - again cost. You can also get some units out of china similar to the game cameras that have support for cellular, but personally, I'm not that brave.

  97. Get a plantcam or similar time-lapse camera by xee · · Score: 1

    Check out these time-lapse cameras for nature recording. Seems like just the thing for you...

    http://www.wingscapes.com/catalog.aspx

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  98. You probably shouldn't bother. by wezelboy · · Score: 1

    I've been in a similar situation.

    We called the DA office where I live and asked if they would prosecute dumpers if we had video evidence. The answer was no.

    The only satisfaction you may get is tracking them down yourself and dumping their garbage on their lawn.

  99. Claim Muslims or copyright infringers live there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll have highly-trained govt surveillance teams monitoring your site 24/7.

  100. Cheap solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a second hand Canon compact camera with AA size batteries, install CHDK and use a motion detection script.
    Hook up a more powerful battery pack for longer time.

    1. Re:Cheap solution by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Buy a second hand Canon...

      I got excited reading that.

      ...compact camera ...

      Then my excitement sunk and turned into disappointment when I read those words.

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    2. Re:Cheap solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We of slashdot would be excited to hear you left this forum.

  101. Removable roadblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can put a simple removable roadblock, which has a clear sign, that dumping is not allowed. So, that every car coming must stop and read the sign, but the roadblock is easy to remove in emergency if necessary.

    We must use that kind of roadblocks to seal of the area, when we launch our big hobby rockets in an army artillery shooting area in Finland. The army lets us use their shooting area during a couple of days in a year ( when they don't need it ) with a couple of conditions. One of them is, that we must post temporary roadblocks on roads.

    Here is an example:
    http://aapo.iki.fi/kuvat/raketti/pahkajarvi_12_03/roadblock_small.jpg

    Later, if the dumpers remove the roadblock, you can put cameras nearby the roadblock. Actually, the roadblock can be triggered electrically in such a manner, that if someone removes the roadblock, cameras start taking pictures, an alarm is sounded and a sms message is sent to you. Or maybe even to police or security company.

  102. Jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?""

    No idea, as you fail to tell us in which country or state you live.

  103. 338 lapua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    step 1: Find a good vantage point.

    step 2: Wait.

    step 3: Take out engine block.

    That should do the trick....

  104. You need to connect with some storm chasers. by doccus · · Score: 1

    These people have self powered video cameras that can survive a hurricane.. You might want to look up storm chasers on YT and contact one of them if they know where you can find this kind of camera. HTH

  105. Different solution by weweedmaniii · · Score: 1

    Put up a chain, gate or otherwise block the road. Place a lock on it. Pay a visit to your local fire department with a key to the lock with the address attached to it. If the fire department is like the one I used to serve on, the first fire engine has a set of keys on a large keyring, all with addresses and usually phone numbers too so if there is a need to access your road, they can let themselves in and lock up when they leave. We would also place a courtesy call afterward to let the owner know we had used the key. If you find a need to change the lock, update the key and information with the FD.

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  106. Available product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are after a commercially tested product have a look at the following: http://rmtek.com.au/

  107. Not cheap but cool by zap42hod · · Score: 0

    http://www.defendec.com/

    A little more than what's needed in this case - these things are autonomous for 400 days or 5000 images.