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Ask Slashdot: Seamonkey vs. Firefox — Any Takers?
Rexdude writes "Firefox continues to be criticized for their new versioning system and being a memory hog. People talk about Chrome, IE9, Opera as alternatives — but do Slashdotters ever use Seamonkey? I've never seen anyone mention it in any discussion on browsers. The successor to the original Mozilla Suite, it has a full-blown email/news/RSS client, Chatzilla, and an HTML editor. Also several other default features that would require separate extensions for Firefox. And they don't update their versions like crazy either; the current version is 2.13.1. I've been quite happy with it so far — it's snappier to use than Firefox. How many people on Slashdot use Seamonkey, and what has been your experience? (Note — I'm not affiliated with the project.)"
Look, it's a version number. Who cares?
and it is weak. As a browser and an editor.
Might be why it's so snappy?
And they don't update their versions like crazy either
LOL they release weekly just like FF, only difference being they increment the version # by less than 0.01 usually, instead of 1 like FF. Big deal.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
The interface in the screenshots remind me of Netscape! for some reason.
5 Minutes and no takers?
I'd heard of Seamonkey before but I'd never heard it explained what it was. I just assumed it was Firefox's unloved little brother, and that all the cool stuff was in Firefox. The fact that I'm getting first post for the first time in my /. career suggests I'm not alone in this.
It doesn't have the asinine upgrade cycle of Firefox, it doesn't have the horrible GUI of firefox, and it's UI is stable. And that's what I want- I've been using a web browser for almost 2 decades, I don't want it to change unless there's a HUGE benefit. The last time that happened was tabs. Oh, and it crashes less, uses less memory, and seems to be more responsive. I see no reason for Firefox to even exist when SeaMonkey is such a better project, except that it keeps the idiots in charge of Mozilla busy.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Web-browser, advanced e-mail, newsgroup and feed client, IRC chat, and HTML editing made simple—all your Internet needs in one application.
I'll pass.
Maybe years of using Unix-like operating systems have rubbed off on me, but Seamonkey can die in a fire with every other multipurpose chimeric software abomination.
My kid and I both use it.
It's handy as both a browser, nntp and email client in one.
Even the html editor comes in handy for occasional quick stuff...
It's a good throwback to the old Netscape Navigator days and it's still being updated regularly.
I've been using that and Chrome.
Never used firefox, still using seamonkey on 6 computers and install it on every computer I need to service.
Unfortuantely for me, all of Seamonkey's "extra features" make it less desirable for me.
In fact, I can't use it at all on my work machine - no software that can access IRC allowed = no Seamonkey :(
Joy! Beautiful spark of the gods!
I use the composer. It's quick and easy for casual use.
Why would I switch back to the full suite when Firefox was originally the leaner meaner version of the Mozilla suite?
Firefox started imitating Chrome so much that I just said screw it and switched to Chrome, why limit yourself to a poor imitation..
Firefox is not a memory hog anymore. In fact, it is one of the most (if not the most) frugal mainstream browsers today.
People should stop spreading 5 year old information without bothering to check first.
I need ABP to block Slashvertisements!!
It's really a choice of Blue vs Red.....
very sneaky rexdude
seamonkey every day of the week.
why have 2 memory hungry applications (thunderbird and FF) to maintain and manage/lockdown
when you can have just one.
I use Puppy Linux on a USB flash stick for all my "Live CD" needs. The only browser on there is Seamonkey, and it works great for my needs (which are typically related to troubleshooting and recovering from a dead Windows install).
Some of us never stopped using Mozilla.
I've used Firefox for ages, but they're so obsessed with turning the UI into Chrome I'm switching to Seamonkey to get the UI back to the Firefox 3 days. Tabs on bottom, and tou even get a proper status bar back again! It's designed for people that have a monitor larger than a postage stamp. And it's not designed for "the masses" - it's designed for (and by) more advanced users like myself, which hopefully means it won't start pandering to the latest UI gimmicks further down the line, either.
== Jez ==
Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
and seamonkey for things like opening URL on click, and other uses.
It's funny you say that because I actually switched to it just recently due to a comment I read on /.
I'm not super tech savvy, I just want a browser that starts and works quickly, and doesn't crash when view a page with flash. Seamonkey fit the bill for me plus it has the nice old interface I remember from Firefox days of yore. I get all to use all my favorite Firefox plugins without trying to find some kind of half-assed version for Chrome (which I tried to use for about six months before giving up completely, it's just as bloated as Firefox with less community support.)
I am not affiliated with any tech company, I just like to use programs that work.
I've been used Seamonkey since the Netscape Suite days. The main advantage, for me, it's that it did not suffer the dumbing down of interface that was a major design decision in Firefox. It's a browser for pros.
I tried SeaMonkey quite a while back, having become overly annoyed at Firefox's increasing bloat and other antics (the inevitable feature creep trend of randomly changing around UI elements to no obvious benefit, for one.) it's essentially just what Netscape was to Navigator, or what Mozilla was to Phoenix/Thunderbird/Firefox. I think it's just as bloated and obnoxious on the whole.
there are plenty of lighter-weight Firefox forks without all the crud. I've enjoyed Pale Moon quite a bit. there are similar alternatives for Chrome users as well, such as Comodo (but it's proprietary.)
The latest turn of the crank is highly incompatible with most add ons. 75% of existing add ons, easily are incompatible. It's a bit less clunky and sluggish than FF.
I like to use it because it is more conservative with features.
No "awesome bar" and when I open a new tab I will not share my browsing history with the people around me.
Seamonkey and Opera are my favorite browsers but I keep hitting a lot of rough edges with Opera lately so SM tends to be my primary browser.
Everyone who buys Wild Hunt will receive 16 specially prepared DLCs absolutely for free, regardless of platform.
I'm sticking with my Firefox (actually Waterfox) because it has my old Qute-style them and looks just like it did years ago. SeaMonkey has the new icon style (combined with a few antique Netscape-style icons), so I'd just have to redo all my customizations again, with the only benefit being a bunch of other apps that I don't need in my browser (bloat).
The only reason to use SeaMonkey over Firefox is if you want the extra apps that it includes, as they're both based on the same core and the interface is completely customizable. Rather than switching away from Firefox because you don't like the interface, why not simply change it to your liking? Works for me anyway...
...and is hard to build on non-*buntu systems.
"My opinions are my own, and I've got *lots* of them!"
I started off on Netscape, then Mozilla and now Seamonkey mainly because they all had a similar UI and set of features. When everybody was moving to IE6, I stuck with Netscape Communicator 4.72 for years while Mozilla was completely rewriting the code base. I think the first Mozilla I ran was M18. And when Mozilla decided to release FF as their main project, I switched to Seamonkey.
I still use an email client, so if I were to use FF or Chrome today I'd have to install two programs instead of one. There is another benefit. I always had Linux on my desktops, but not on laptops due to their weird hardware (try getting Optimus working in Linux). Mozilla and Seamonkey use the mbox file format both in Windows and Linux, so moving mail between the OSes was simple after a reinstall. Just copy over the files and you'd be done. I think Seamonkey is still the only cross platform email client.
That should be enough, but there are other reasons.
The bookmark structure in Seamonkey has remained the same since Communicator and until recently moving to a new computer was as simple as replacing an html file in the profile folder. Now it's a bit more complicated, to the extent that I have to import/export that same html file.
Seamonkey also has a lot of extra config options in the Preferences window compared to FF. In this respect FF feels completely dumbed down. I am aware FF and Seamonkey have virtually the same options in about:config, but modifying things means looking up values instead of just clicking an option.
TL;DR? I'm just too lazy to retrain my muscle memory with a new browser when I've been using Seamonkey and its predecessors for at least a decade and a half.
My home desktop runs Seamonkey. I have an archive of many years worth of emails on it, so I use it and Seamonkey as my mail history "way back machine". I do not suggest it is faster or better, but it is easy and, after long use, very comfortable - never had a major glitch with it. I think it is a good program.
Aaahh not another browser! We need fewer browsers, not more of them!
Please pull this story from Slashdot as soon as possible!
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
I've been using Pale Moon (a Firefox derivative) for about a year now as my primary browser, and I'm very happy with it. It has some stuff stripped out of it that seems to make it more stable, and there's a 64-bit version. http://www.palemoon.org/ for more info.
I'm Peggy.
I tried it once and then stopped using it straight away when I saw that fraps was trying to render a frame rate on its windows. I'm fine with my Firefox 3.6
I've been using Seamonkey from the days when it was just the Mozilla browser. All the important Firefox extensions seem to work with it, and it renders most things just fine. It's more stable than Firefox and more traditional in its layout. Is it a lot better than Firefox? No. But it is a little different.. and it has a web editor and email client built in that are fine for occassional use.
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Been using Firefox since version 0.8 (Firebird back then) and I was getting increasingly fed up with the bloating, stupid version numbering, UI changes and several nonsense they have been introducing lately. 10 days ago I gave SeaMonkey a try and I've couldn't been happier.
Having recently switched from Firefox to Chrome, I'm not looking to make another change. It would have to have exclusive features which save me time or solve a need for me to even take a look at this point. I haven't seen anything suggesting SeaMonkey does either.
"Women. Can't live with 'em. Pass the beer nuts." -Norm
Does it support extensions yet? I remember that being the main issue with the, formerly known as, mozilla suite. I also find it hilarious how Firefox started as a lightweight version of seamonkey.
I never switched from Netscape, really -
Netscape
Mozilla Suite
Seamonkey
The switch from Mozilla Suite to Seamonkey was made against a cacophony of support for Firefox. Firefox then was like Chrome now - lean, mean, the future, in a word: cool.
People bitched and moaned about how the Mozilla Suite (and, by extension, Seamonkey) was burdened by bundling its mail, news, chat, and html edit programs together; people wanted a lean-and-mean browser.
The tables are turned now, though. By avoiding all the pointless cool chrome (to use an expression), Seamonkey has managed to stay feeling light and purposeful.
Add to that the fact that
- the UI is stable
- the version numbers are sane (and the release schedule is sane, unlike what the current top post on this story says - maybe one minor release per month. very manageable)
- the prefs don't talk down to you
- it has mail and chat attached by default (I like that!)
- it has a single address/search bar
- it uses Gecko, so under-the-hood it's up-to-date
- when you spawn a new tab, the new tab appears at the extreme right, instead of displacing the existing tabs by spawning to the immediate right of your current tab
- the new-tab button is fixed in the extreme left of the tab bar, and doesn't jump around depending on how many tabs you have open atm
There are probably other things I could list. But in general, it _is_ a browser for people who know what they want: a browser that has a perfectly workable UI and does not change based on fashion. And a browser that has a modern HTML engine.
Unless and until the HTML engine becomes stale, I see no reason to change. I like my menu bars, I like spending a few extra horizontal pixels up to have back, forward, reload and stop buttons, I like having an attached mail client. Good design is good design no matter what decade it is.
The English word fart is one of the oldest words in the English vocabulary.
I've used it ever since they renamed mozilla to seamonkey. I've always liked searching from inside the address bar, which has been the main reason I did not switch to Firefox. I don't talk about it much in the same way I don't talk about using libgettext: it's just a browser, it gets the job done. Browsers and web development are overrated and overhyped.
My life is so much easier with SeaMonkey.
Less is more, indeed. But only when the user can customize it.
Its been my one and only browser since 2009. No complaints here!
Ive been using waterfox for maybe 6-8 months now. Its a purely 64bit version of firefox, built for speed with many of the increasingly annoying firefox parts left out. No forced plugin check or constant updating
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The constant memory leaks and other performance issues are what finally drove me away from FF and to Chrome. I never even considered switching to Seamonkey. It seemed obvious that with the same rendering engine, the two woud have the same performance issues. Am I wrong about that?
I actually like Seamonkey quite a bit, and use it periodically, but I wish it had better extension and customization support. There were only about a half-dozen themes last time I looked, and only a few extensions. Fortunately, they had the important ones (AdBlock, NoScript, Ghostery, etc.) but it would be nice to have access to more. Still, a fine and stable way to browse the web.
...the "plugin ecosystem" is so much smaller than for Firefox. I have to use old versions of plugins, or live without them completely. Oh, and I use FF16x, IE9, Chrome, Opera, and Safari as well.
I'd settle for an amd64 build of Firefox on Windows.
We use SeaMonkey at work.
Back in 1999 or 2000 or so we started using Netscape 4.7 at the time when internet was introduced in the company.
Microsoft did not have any really usable products at that time.
I set up a proxy server and a mailserver, and rolled out Netscape to the workstations.
From then, we have been using the same software, switching to SeaMonkey when that became the name for essentially the same product.
At some point, the Firefox/Thunderbird fork occurred and I briefly considered making the switch to those programs, but then we would be
without a HTML editor, and the product that was created for that did not really work and wasn't actively developed.
We are still using SeaMonkey today. It is stable and performs its required functions (we have a web-based calendar as well), but it sometimes
raises eyebrows when a new application's salesman blindly assumes we use Outlook (like the rest of the world) and starts explaining
the integration between the application and mail or calendaring.
Usually mail integration is no problem at all (SeaMonkey supports simple MAPI calls, so "click here to send mail to that address" normally
works OK), but of course calendar integration usually isn't possible.
Maybe we'll switch to Outlook/Exchange one day, but it won't be an easy migration because we have lots of special support for things like
automatically generating a prefs.js file for new users (so their e-mail account is automatically created), using multiple accounts by a single
user, address books that are in a very weird format that other programs normally can't read, a nice calendar (webCalendar) with a weird
storage format, etc.
It can be done, but it will not be overnight.
I use SeaMonkey as my daily browser/mail client. I know quite a few people who use it too (girlfriend, neighbor, family, ...), where I worked before, we used Mozilla Suite with FTP calendar for employee schedules. In fact I just followed the natural evolution: Netscape Communicator -> Netcape -> Mozilla -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. Fun fact that I still have more or less the same interface in front of me for 15 years while benefiting of latest technology. I still use the same profile too even if I switched mail box providers a few times over time.
Mozilla split this suite to separate browser/mail client apps to compete with Internet Explorer/Outlook combo and it worked great. But I wasn't fan of the way they dumbed down the browser app to make Firefox, removing many great features (initially, it improved with time), it really was a step back. And I really love to have one application only for all my Internet needs (well I use Bluefish for web dev, not SeaMonkey's built-in editor, and I don't use the integrated IRC client as much as I did a few years back). I have only one extension installed, and that is Lightning (calendar). We use a common calendar (stored online) with my girlfriend so anyone can add future activities. It's an awesome piece of software, better suiting corporate needs than Firefox. Too bad Mozilla doesn't push it more. It's really overlooked. :-/
I suggest anyone to give it a try, it has a lot going for it! ;-)
Anyone who "prefers" IE9 to a far superior product like FireFox is either a Microsoft shill or a blathering fscking idiot. Despite all of Microsoft's BS attempts to paint a different picture, IE9 is still a terrible browser in every conceivable way: speed, security, flexibility, functionality, etc.
Opera is only even worthy of consideration if you are looking for a mobile browser -- it is, on the desktop at least, one of the worst security nightmares one could ever envision.
Chrome is at least on the same level as FireFox, though I consider its minimalist approach to be quirky at best.
Why is everybody focusing on the "version number" comment, and not talking about the fact that Firefox is a GIANT memory hog, and whether Seamonkey is or is not?
As someone that has never really liked Chrome, I've tried to stick with Firefox mostly because of its reliable blockers (AdBlock Plus and NoScript) but the direction FF has been taking has really not been that great. It's trying to be slick and basically turn into Chrome; all I've wanted is a simple, classic browser, and SeaMonkey is that, exactly, while keeping compatibility with many of FF's addons, like the all important ABP and NS.
My hope is that SM doesn't decide to go down the same dark road as Firefox in the future.
This is a sig. Deal with it.
The ram myth was disproven last summer by an article I submitted.
Yes Firefox 4, and even FF 3.6 sucked really badly and were falling behind. IE 9 outperformed both and so did Chrome which scared Mozilla into fixing it. It is a much better browser than it was 1.5 years ago when it changed.
Why I stick with Firefox over Seamonkey
Last I checked in places like www.filehippo.com it has not been updated in YEARS! How many security vulnerabilities does it have? How far behind is it in supporting standards? I am going to sound like an IE tard but the reasons to use Firefox are:
- Well supported
- Issues are well known to webmasters
- Has the backing of Mozilla to fix its bugs and from devleopers
- Actively being patched fast (4 exploits patched in 16)
- It is what most people use right there with Chrome and IE
- Webmasters do QA with it
Websites will just work. I know those were the arguments for IE 6 but do not be surprised if a website doesn't work and you email the webmaster and his response will be go download chrome or firefox!
Plugins do not break as much either. They have a new api similiar to Chrome where it wont break release after release. If that still bothers you IE 10 is just around the corner and is updated every 1.5 years. IE 10 is very competitive with Chrome and Firefox and no longer blows goatballs. It is standards compliant too and fast unlike past releases and changes very slowly. Corps love it for this reason
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I use SeaMonkey as my daily browser/mail client. I know quite a few people who use it too (girlfriend, neighbor, family, ...), where I worked before, we used Mozilla Suite with FTP calendar for employee schedules. In fact I just followed the natural evolution: Netscape Communicator -> Netcape -> Mozilla -> Mozilla Suite -> SeaMonkey. Fun fact that I still have more or less the same interface in front of me for 15 years while benefiting of latest technology. I still use the same profile too even if I switched mail box providers a few times over time.
Mozilla split this suite to separate browser/mail client apps to compete with Internet Explorer/Outlook combo and it worked great. But I wasn't fan of the way they dumbed down the browser app to make Firefox, removing many great features (initially, it improved with time), it really was a step back. And I really love to have one application only for all my Internet needs (well I use Bluefish for web dev, not SeaMonkey's built-in editor, and I don't use the integrated IRC client as much as I did a few years back). I have only one extension installed, and that is Lightning (calendar). We use a common calendar (stored online) with my girlfriend so anyone can add future activities. It's an awesome piece of software, better suiting corporate needs than Firefox. Too bad Mozilla doesn't push it more. It's really overlooked. :-/
By the way, I also like the fact the address bar and search bar are common. It saves space and is very convenient. To run a Google (for example) search on a word, just type it in the address bar and click the Search button. Or even faster, type in the word and press down, enter. Fast and easy!
I suggest anyone to give it a try, it has a lot going for it! ;-)
I use Safari even on Winoze machines. Works great.
It's lightweight, fast, and has all the benefits of Chrome, without Google tracking your every move (if you don't sign into it).
I'm kinda addicted to Pandora, so I use Seamonkey just for accessing Pandora.
I have to use a US proxy in order to access Pandora since I live in Israel and Pandora cannot be accessed outside the US. So I defined a proxy (through ssh SOCKS) in Seamonkey and I use it only for accessing Pandora.
hemi
A brine shrimp versus a fox that is on fire...that shrimp is toast.
I've never seen the need or reason to have a mail client and a browser as the same app.
"And they don't update their versions like crazy"
Yes, they do.
The list when I 'downgraded' from FF (actually, Palemoon 15.2):
BBComposer
Download Statusbar
Fireform
Flashblock
Greasemonkey
IE View Lite
iMacros
ImageBlock
Memory Restart
TabMix Plus
A couple of these have other variants that will work around but several of those are dealbreakers.
Actually I was just trying to ensure my posting didn't give the impression I was saying it was all wrong because I had one minor disagreement...
Kids and their new-fangled browsers. I still prefer NCSA Mosaic 3.0. All that new fancy HTML stuff just leads to the devil.
Bearded Dragon
Seamonkey still supports one of the original Netscape Easter eggs "Ctrl-Alt-F" which takes you to the Fishcam. Reason enough to use it? :)
It's my primary browser/E-Mail/Usenet client. Why install two products when just one will do?? It also takes up less resources as well.
The only issue I have is that a lot of Firefox extensions won't work in Seamonkey, and their authors don't seem terribly eager to support Seamonkey either. I used it in Windows, and now that I'm in the process of migrating to Linux (Ubuntu), I'm using it there, too.
Buzzing the information Superhighway at Warp speed
That is all.
I've been using Seamonkey for many years. I started when I needed a quickie HTML editor for something, tried it, liked the overall browser and stuck with it.
Every so often I try the various other browsers. So far I've seen no reason to change and lots of reasons not to.
But I thought this was very unusual. Seems it isn't.
People want choices, Chrome takes those choices away.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
I've been using Mozilla/Seamonkey since 2001. It was the best browser then, and the best now, IMO.
I never cared for Firefox, it's always been a rebranded Mozilla with a worse interface, fewer features and fewer options. This is ever more apparent as Firefox follows Chrome into the simplicity abyss. Also, version numbers - I like them to mean something.
How about making Seamonkey even faster and simpler by removing everything except the browser? Then replace the bloated Firefox with that, what could go wrong?
Control W closes the current window, so you don't have to guess the correct tab.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
> The successor to the original Mozilla Suite, it has a full-
> blown email/news/RSS client, Chatzilla, and an HTML editor.
All of which nobody wants from Mozilla. We just want the web browser. I already have, from other sources, a *much* more feature-complete mail/news reader (Gnus) and an overwhelmingly better HTML editor (Emacs with some custom elisp that I wrote back in the nineties; one very major advantage this has over an HTML-specific editor is that it works when I'm writing snippets of HTML embedded in other kinds of files, such as in server-side Perl code), and if I had any use whatsoever for an IRC client I hope someone would smack me back to my senses.
Really, I just want the browser.
With that said...
> Also several other default features that would require separate extensions for Firefox.
Yes, I know. It took Firefox well more than a year just to have extensions _available_ for some of the features that I relied on heavily in the old Mozilla suite, and I refused to switch over to it until the extension manager changes that allowed you to upgrade the browser without having to find and install all your extensions again from scratch (sometime around FF 1.5 IIRC). Using the suite, I'd need about a third as many extensions as I need in Firefox, because the rest of the things I use extensions for were built in out-of-the-box in the suite.
> And they don't update their versions like crazy either;
More to the point, they haven't been gratuitously dorking around with the UI trying to see how screwed up they can make it for the last three years.
So yeah, I've thought about it. Currently, I find that Firefox 2.0.0.20 with NoScript is still adequate for my needs, but its days are obviously numbered. The nail in its coffin will be the CSS features that it doesn't support simply because its Gecko version is too old. The most important of these is probably display: inline-block, since sites that rely on that can have quite seriously messed up layouts (and, frequently, overlapping text) when it's not supported. Eventually, I'll have to upgrade because of that. (There are also some Javascript performance issues, but I find that the number of sites I ever use where I actually _want_ the functionality that the Javascript provides can be counted on the fingers of one hand without resorting to clever math tricks. Lang-8 is the main one. So I just use that site in a different browser. Sorted.)
And yes, if the Firefox team doesn't eventually quit playing around with the UI like hyperactive third graders and produce something solid and reliable, it is entirely possible that Seamonkey will be my upgrade path. Chrome is obviously unsuitable for my needs (because it's even less customizable than IE and furthermore lacks a number of features I'm not willing to live without), and while I use Opera on the side for certain things, I would have grave reservations about making it my primary browser. I've also checked out Epiphany, Midori, Flock, Galeon, and several others. So far, Seamonkey looks like the best bet, if Firefox doesn't eventually find its way back to a place where I can meet it.
If I thought I had anywhere near the C chops for it, I might attempt to fork Firefox 2 and update it to use a modern Gecko, but I'm nowhere near enough of an application developer and have nothing like enough knowledge of C to realistically attempt that kind of undertaking. (I have some programming background, but I mostly write glue code, personal utilities, and server-oriented non-GUI stuff. I'm a network administrator, not an application developer.)
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
I use to use firefox, up until 3.6.28. After that, Firefox became pretty much useless, UI changes every release, add-ons not working after every single release, firefox forceably disabling extensions, GAH!!! I kicked firefox to the side long ago for SeaMonkey and haven't looked back.
I'm very content with SeaMonkey, it inst perfect, but it looks like a real web browser use to and it doesn't get major version overhauls every other week. I will never use Firefox ever again!
my 2 cents.
Obviously it depends what you want, but I've tried a dozen different free WYSIWYG editors and for me Seamonkey is best. It mangles code slightly (e.g. adding bigger and bigger gaps between lines), and the spell check option likes to disappear at random, but believe me, the others are worse.
By "free" I mean free and legal. I am well aware that everybody else uses pirated Dreamweaver.
I have been using suite web browsers since early Netscape days. Even Mozilla (the name of its web browser) before renaming to SeaMonkey. I like having my newsreader, e-mail, web browser, etc. all at once and integrated. Extensions can be a problem since not all work in it. :(
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I use it constantly on both linux and windows. Only time i use firefox is the rare case when something doesn't render properly in seamonkey.
Sometimes extensions will be nominally incompatible, but there may be workarounds, or you may just get a link to xpi file and it will just work. For example, this will make flashblock work with seamonkey:
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/
I also use:
They work with no changes.
From what I have seen seamonkey has not benefitted so much from the newer JS improvements in firefox. This may be accountable for some overall performance loss, as much of the mozilla interface is dependent on JS i believe. But my info may be out of date as I'm running behind a few minor revisions.
The number one reason I use seamonkey is retaining the status bar. That's where some of my permanent extension icons live, so I need it.
Also, linux users see here to fix middle click behavior.
I would have thought that everyone would have switched to Chrome by now. What extension that you use hasn't been ported yet?
Must be an Apple product. Sounds like a great product except the windows version wouldn't even start the installer, just got lost in a spindizzy. The linux load has got to be the biggest kludge going. It's not in the repository so to get an icon on the desktop you have to register it, then cut and paste a graphic. Mozilla wouldn't just create an installer. Talk about an orphan.
All I say is by way of discourse, nothing by way of advice
Been using Seamonkey since it was Netscape. Missed it when not available for a while. Couple of Linux glitches, like self-changing fonts and right click to save or close tab needing reload of browser.
I also have tried WaterFox (which is the same idea, a better optimized by default compiler switches used version of FireFox 64-bit) -> http://www.waterfoxproject.org/download.php
* I've used them BOTH for a long time, & I was so "undecided" about which I liked better of the two, I actually looked up a performance benchmark run on them both (yet I am still undecided - I ought to be, they're basically the SAME program, lol!):
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=waterfox+vs+palemoon&oq=%22Waterfox+vs.+p&gs_l=hp.3.0.0i22l2.1309.6983.0.8462.21.18.3.0.0.0.314.3541.0j12j5j1.18.0.les%3Bcqn%2Cfixedpos%3Dfalse%2Cboost_normal%3D40%2Cboost_high%3D40%2Ccconf%3D1-2%2Cmin_length%3D2%2Crate_low%3D0-035%2Crate_high%3D0-035%2Csecond_pass%3Dfalse%2Cignore_bad_origquery%3Dtrue..0.0...1c.1.MIClVbKWWpw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b8231b44ec678b41&bpcl=35466521&biw=1024&bih=608
Only to find out there are a LOT of them out there... many others were curious as I was as well it seems!
(You MAY find that interesting... I certainly did, but it ended up being slightly in favor of PaleMoon last time I checked @ least!)
APK
P.S.=> So far BOTH WaterFox &/or PaleMoon in 64-bit builds seem to work fine with NoScript, AdBlock Plus, & WOT (which are the only .xpi extensions for it I utilize here)...
... apk
I've had a blog since the 20th century, and am too lazy to write HTML direct, so seamonkey it is. Son in law got me onto Wordpress for a while, but in the long run, it's less secure with all those fancy bits. Caught a virus, and i gave it up.
Admittedly seamonkey has a few bugs, but wtf just have to find a workaround. (one annoying bug is textsize especially on cut&paste.)
So keep up the good work at SM.
I'll throw a plug in to DonationCoder.com. I am not affiliated with the ownership, just a member and donator. There are guys there who specialize in those little "one feature widgets" that fit you just because you're you. Specifically, look for Skwire and MilesAhead. They're among the two who are the fastest at these little things.
As a broader philosophy, if a browser does everything you need *except one obnoxious quirk* then sometimes if you can fix the quirk you are better off overall. For example I just got a "turbo-backspace" widget that sits in my Windows tray and deletes either 4 or 7 keystrokes via a couple of hotkeys. Cumulatively I've saved at least an hour of my life by not hitting backspace 11 times per sentence to fix my Frankenstein typing style.
Another time I got ticked off at the Maximize button, so I got a widget that disables it. (Though that one is a little finicky.)
So look at a browser for its overall merit, then see if there is a finesse you can fix.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
As a bonus, your user will be pleased to discover that publishing in Composer is almost instaneous now.
Thunderbird was designed wrong from the ground up. So I can't see using SeaMonkey as Opera's email client is so much superior.
I always wonder if the Mozilla suite had gotten more love could we have avoided the bog we're now in, failbook. Of course, that would just have been one piece of the puzzle, at least hosting would still have been "an issue".
Perhaps what would have been needed was an internet for dummies instead of a HTML editor for dummies. Joe Bloggs is technically clueless, vain and apparently doesn't even know what privacy means.
Somebody said that the hardest thing is to liberate slaves who don't even realize they're not free. And this is it. A Faustian bargain indeed. I sometimes think they deserve what's coming, too bad we're all getting violated in the process.
being a memory hog
I understand people talking about Chrome being a faster browser, and I don't begrudge them that. However, anyone who contends that Chrome uses less memory doesn't know what they're talking about. Firefox uses less memory, is a smaller download, and is a much smaller installation than Chrome (particularly if you only measure code and leave out translations).
The Firefox installer on Win32 is almost half the size of Chrome, and the installed code is about half the size of Chrome as well. It's no wonder it uses less memory.
yes yes yes
I have used SeaMonkey from the day they made the fork, relatively happy even if I nowadays also use Chrome for better cross-instance isolation.
I also have Opera installed, I use that exclusively for online banking.
I do like the fact that in SeaMonkey I can right-click a link in a mail/news msg and do "Open in a New Window".
I also enjoy knowing that SeaMonkey is non-mainstream, even if that isn't much a security feature these days when 90-99% of the browser code is shared with Firefox.
Terje
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
Good luck fitting a "real PC" into a bag sized for a 10" laptop. Anything bigger would be impractical to carry and use on the bus while commuting to and from work.
I use Seamonkey and like it a lot. Works for me. My browser usage isn't anything terribly demanding. I do need to use text magnification, because of not-very-good eyesight. I use Eudora for my POP mail client, not Thunderbird. Don't use/do chat. No time for that. One of the nifty things that Seamonkey has added lately is "remembering" where I save web pages depending upon the web site I am browsing at the moment. So it defaults to the correct folder when I'm saving an on-line purchase, etc. When I upgrade, I seem to keep all of my personal settings which is nice. Only thing is when I set up Seamonkey on a new/different machine, I can't figure out how to get to all of the settings I'm using on my "regular" machine that have been carried forward "forever." If I took a little time I could figure out what is the configuration file that I should copy over to the new / different machine. When I try any other browser, I can't find the handles and don't stick with it until I learn the interface. I occasionally try another browser only when a web page is not displaying properly, and it's important. Seamonkey must have enough users that the developer community feels it is worthwhile to keep it up to date. Updates come out fairly regularly.
Starting off with AOL for the last three months of '96, I briefly tried and quickly abandoned Inept Exploder, going with Netscape for the balance of the old century and into the new, passing through Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 on my way to various flavors of Linux. About 8 years ago a friend helped me set up a NetBSD box for my intarwebz usage, insisting I try Seamonkey - and I have been using it with some satisfaction since. My current rather dodgy setup (inb4 "get a better setup", I have a couple of candidate boxen that I'm working on, but money for parts is tight), which doesn't run anywhere as well as I would like, handles Seamonkey 2.8 rather well, and certainly better than the current version of Firefox - a beast that can hardly be said to run at all and frequently locks the system so hard I am forced to physically shut the computer off entirely. Seamonkey's bookmark manager is amazingly good, while Firefox ... doesn't seem to have a bookmark manager of any kind. My chief complaint against Seamonkey is the problem arising from an update that so totally broke several plugins involved with flash video (such as YouTube) that I have been unable to repair them.
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I think Seamonkey is more than just a Firefox clone.Seamonkey has many of the features that have become synonymous with Web browsing. For example, SeaMonkey offers tabbed browsing, interface customization, user profiles and an amply stocked tools menu.Seamonkey uses roaming profiles.This browser has a lot of good stuff,for example Password Manager, Image Manager, and Form Manager are accessible via the browser window menu bar. Here's some information from the new Seamonkey 2.11 beta: http://www.techyv.com/questions/seamonkey-211-beta-1-released Good luck! Jake
I have been using Firefox for years, but the latest version slows down with every use and has to be closed and restarted, so I'm using Chrome now, which I don't like as well as Firefox. It sounds like I should give Seamonkey a try.