Throw away your passport. Don't tell them where you're from. Apply for asylum. Worst case you get denied but you still get free housing, healthcare, food and other basic necessities. If you refuse to leave long enough you get a permant residence permit.
How's that working out for Germany? I hear that rapes are up by double digit percentages and social friction it as 50 year highs.
I can summarize, scientists who live in ivory tower situations can be highly liberal but those of us in the real world less so. That sounds about right.
People who break criminal laws are criminals. Dreamers, almost by definition, have not broken any criminal laws—which is how they were allowed to become Dreamers to begin with.
Your ethnic argument is telling, but not persuasive. In the first place, these are not criminal proceedings, in the second place, it is not their ethnicity that would allow them to stay, but rather that they came here at a young age, have obeyed the criminal laws of this country, and are not high school drop outs.
These people are culturally American, and there is nothing unfair to Americans in letting them stay.
It is actually unfair to the US citizens. Importing a ton more people is like letting people cut in line. You don't reward line cutters you kick them out of the park.
Besides, the real elephant in the room is that since the Dems are having trouble winning elections with the current crop of US citizens their plan is to just import tons more compliant citizens who will then owe them. Pretending like Pelosi et al give a rats ass about illegals other than the one cleaning her house is ridiculous. This is about more cheap labor for the rich and votes.
"To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds, Child Tax credit, Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and education credits, and what have you."
Not true; Dreamers are (well, were) eligible for social security numbers.
"To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds,"
Or, they just get Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) that let them file tax returns.
You're ignoring lots of details. The "dreamers" by definition have illegal parents as well as being illegal themselves. That means that the parents are doing the SS scam the OP described or some other, and by definition illegal, means of supporting themselves. This is what the pro-immigration/anti-citizen types keep overlooking - one crime begets another and yet another.
Good thing we already have laws again that. Illegal immigrants don't get welfare and
Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards.
You're ignoring a lot of details. The anchor babies do qualify for benefits immediately as well as the mother and they have no issue paying those benefits to illegal mothers. The US hates fathers so they are out. The anchor babies can eventually also sponsor their parents, siblings, and other family members. The majority of immigration over the past 50+ years has been family members that all start from a single anchor. The anchor babies also get free schooling and a variety of other benefits. It's really not hard, if you want the US to look like a 3rd world country, and it does more every year, then just allow a majority of 3rd world people in and you'll have it.
Tech companies never met an immigrant they don't like because more supply of workers means you can pay them less. If there were fewer workers then you would have to pay them more. If you've already made your money you benefit from having tons of surplus labor around.
Let's table this real issue in favor of focusing on getting kids and women in tech. Plus we need to help all dozen transgenders in the military first too. Then maybe we can discuss California's 3rd gender and other pointless topics with no economics attached. Real issues like mass immigration, H1B abuse, and anything that might help a white male like ageism might impact the bottom line or threaten the 1% and is thus verboten.
I'm job-seeking right now and they always ask. ALWAYS.
I love how this was passed thru (the law) because of male/female pay issues.
the REAL issue is that it makes negotiating a one-way street, with the company having all the power and you have nearly none.
'the first one to mention a number, loses'
that's how the old saying goes when you are haggling.
and yet, there's few ways out of this game, especially since you can't just mark 'market rate' on the online hr forms.
its all about keeping you in your place. the god damned 'job creators' that we have been worshipping really don't have our needs in mind; they could not care less if we all starved and died on the streets. lots of Indians to come over and work for a fraction of what a US person needs to live on.
good that this passed thru; but sad that it had to be couched as a male/female thing instead of 'strong company/weak worker' negotiation balancing.
either way, I expect companies to find loopholes to work around this 'unpleasent' rebalance of power.
The best pay raise I ever got by switching jobs was when I politely refused to answer this. I was asked about 6 times by various people, with my favorite being a very friendly guy who said "no really, stop playing games we need this", but I always replied that they should pay me what they thought I was worth. Funny enough their initial offer was low and I straight laughed and thanked them for their time. Their follow up offer was ~30% higher plus had a better bonus plan. I will concede that the reason I could try this stunt was that I was fairly happy at my current job and not desperate at all.
On this we agree. I think that voting against Hillary is playing the long game. For example, the US is going down no matter which of the two won. But with Trump the reboot comes faster. Hillary is just trying to keep the ship afloat a bit longer while the 1% continue to have their way with the 99%. She is the epitome of both the status quo and pay to play.
That is making sterile insects and releasing them so that generation mates with a lot of sterile males. However it only lasts a generation. The version I'm talking about carries a recessive gene that over time wipes out the species. It's permanent.
There was talk about putting in a recessive gene that made males sterile. The speculation was that over time certain species would fade out. Why that hasn't been applied to mosquitoes and flies immediately I'll never know. Talk about making the world a better place.
I hate to tell you this, but you dummies ARE the problem. Nothing you stand for is Good.
This really speaks to my original comment that if the Dems ever want to win elections they have to stop insulting half the country. You really need to internalize that we are the 99% includes *a lot* of people you won't like. Can you get past that and work with the people you disagree with for economic justice against the 1% or will you allow CNN et al to persuade you that fighting against others, and thus allowing the 1% to divide and conquer, is more important?
With all due respect, Germans are very smart people.
Indeed. They probably don't want the mass refugee immigration anymore than the US wants its mass south of the border immigration. In both cases the will of the people gets completely ignored by the leaders and millions of unskilled immigrants pour in at great cost. We need an improved version of democracy in both cases.
but not much. Our electoral college means that a handful of swing states decides who the president will be (because they're the only ones that aren't locked into one party). In three of them a handful of well organized coal miners decided our last election. Yeah, they're trying to stop progress, but they're doing that because corporatist Democrats abandoned them.
If the Dems want to win again they need to stop abandoning large swaths of the working class and become an actual populist left party again. That means $15 minimum wage, Medicare for All, College for All, end the wars and a "New" New deal (e.g. infrastructure spending). Otherwise folks are going to keep voting GOP because, well, what have you got to lose?
It won't happen though because as you noted "for all" is the key. That includes white people and even (gasp) Christians. They just can't tolerate helping that group, that's the arch enemy after all. They'd rather lose elections or give amnesty to get enough foreign votes first.
If the Dems want to win again they need to stop deciding that all evils are due to white people. It's tough to win elections when every other left of center article blames the familiar "white male" punching bag. It's like wondering why Trump didn't get the Latino vote.
Depends. "winning" often involves perfecting the manufacturing environment as well. Including the supply chain, support businesses, logistics and most importantly, the workforce.
That's something that builds upon itself and can't be moved overnight. It's why the US has historically been such an economic powerhouse: it's industrial production strength.
Losing the next wave of manufacturing advanced energy products can be a pretty big loss. Both in terms of economic growth, employment and even more importantly, negotiating power during trade agreements.
We already lost the electronics manufacturing economy. Missing out on the renewable energy economy would seem to be a blow we can't take.
If only we could vote against the party that supports outsourcing everything to China. Oh wait, they both support that. Economic Nationalism really needs to find a good home. It resonates strongly enough that it allowed even a generally unelectable person like Trump to get elected. If a decent candidate got behind it they would certainly win.
No, it really makes no sense. He called the ruling party in China "progressive", for example. I didn't realize murdering a bunch of college students was "progress", but maybe I'm just a bit backwards.
Now we know what Antifa used as their model of progressive. It's all starting to make sense.
Bitcoin is a fixed amount currency, with only about 21 million BTC available. If it popularity increases prices will go nowhere but up.
And that _if_ is the rub. If it becomes more popular you are indeed correct. If it doesn't then it's useless. As others have noted bitcoin is just a different flavor of Fiat currency - it has no intrinsic value. I
Appears that the cool in modern design is just ignore every HCI rule that was build in the last 40 years.
Every generation has to figure things out for themselves, which is why everything that was old is eventually new again. I've already seen articles describing how the older Millennials are starting to tire of city renting life and desire to move to the suburbs .
Your red herring is bullshit. Illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than US citizens.
Legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than the US average. Illegal immigrants do not. Are you conflating the two as mass immigration supporters usually do? There's a good write up on this common fallacy here:
The statistics for illegal immigrants are truly shocking when they can be found. Here's one example:
One 2001 study that does take country of origin and geographic concentration factors into account found that Mexican immigrants “commit between 3.5 and 5 times as many crimes as the average native.” It also pointed out the large concentration of Mexican immigrants in the Southwest, which indicates that a nation-wide sample may not represent what is happening in states with a large concentration of criminal aliens.
from this article:
http://www.heritage.org/immigr...
It's the mouthpiece of reality that you really object to.
I'm sorry that you are loyal to Russia instead of America, and that you want Americans to continue running Russian government spyware.
If you were a loyal American instead of a traitor you would understand that it's important to warn you fellow Americans of a hostile foreign adversary's attack on your country and your computers.
Supporting Russia or Russians isn't treason. We are not at war with Russia. In fact, they're our allies.
Treason includes giving aid or comfort the the nation's enemies (foreign or domestic).
Indeed. In Southern California you see about as many Mexican flags as American flags, and Mexican nationals have killed far more Americans via murder and drunk driving than the Russians ever will. Yet oddly we deem that as deserving of Sanctuary while the Russians are considered a menace. Strange how we pick our enemies on anything *but* logic.
The fact that Wills don't get recorded and sent out to the involved parties automatically means that we haven't progressed beyond the 1700s. Too often there are still cases of "where is the will" or "which will is the proper will", as if we are in an old murder mystery. This is a case where bringing in a bit of modern technology, like recording documents, would save a lot of time and trouble with the added benefit of giving lawyers the shaft. A simple change could induce it, just give a tax penalty if it isn't properly recorded.
That cutting edge will cause people to bleed if they don't get this right.
Currently around 3500 people die in auto accidents every month, and another 380k get injured badly enough to go to a hospital (citation below). What we have today is far from perfect and if they can improve on what we currently have, despite not being perfect, it's progress and a good thing. The early data is that it helps reduce deaths by ~20% and injuries by ~40%. That's quite an improvement and I'm certain that it will get even better over time.
Computers got better and we have 3D printers now? Isn't this the post-Luddite post-scarcity 3D printed virtual AI space future I was promised?
Am I still going to retire on Mars?
By any even halfway honest math most people won't retire at all. The Ponzi schemes of social security and government pensions will start to seriously hit the fan in the next few years.
Bernie and Bannon are the only two really trying to get the average American to a better spot.
Those 2 names should never appear in the same sentence with an "and" between them. You're going to melt brains.
There was actually a lot of overlap, economically speaking, between what the two advocated. Mind you this was before Bernie sided with illegals per Democrat requirements. In his earlier independent days he had pointed out both that trade policies (TPP et al) and immigration were both hurting the middle class. Pretty inline with Bannon in terms of economics.
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Germany.
Throw away your passport. Don't tell them where you're from. Apply for asylum. Worst case you get denied but you still get free housing, healthcare, food and other basic necessities. If you refuse to leave long enough you get a permant residence permit.
How's that working out for Germany? I hear that rapes are up by double digit percentages and social friction it as 50 year highs.
citations
https://www.gatestoneinstitute... https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/...
And yet most scientists are Democrats.
Most engineers are Republicans.
I can summarize, scientists who live in ivory tower situations can be highly liberal but those of us in the real world less so. That sounds about right.
People who break criminal laws are criminals. Dreamers, almost by definition, have not broken any criminal laws—which is how they were allowed to become Dreamers to begin with.
Your ethnic argument is telling, but not persuasive. In the first place, these are not criminal proceedings, in the second place, it is not their ethnicity that would allow them to stay, but rather that they came here at a young age, have obeyed the criminal laws of this country, and are not high school drop outs.
These people are culturally American, and there is nothing unfair to Americans in letting them stay.
It is actually unfair to the US citizens. Importing a ton more people is like letting people cut in line. You don't reward line cutters you kick them out of the park.
Besides, the real elephant in the room is that since the Dems are having trouble winning elections with the current crop of US citizens their plan is to just import tons more compliant citizens who will then owe them. Pretending like Pelosi et al give a rats ass about illegals other than the one cleaning her house is ridiculous. This is about more cheap labor for the rich and votes.
"To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds, Child Tax credit, Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and education credits, and what have you."
Not true; Dreamers are (well, were) eligible for social security numbers.
"To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds,"
Or, they just get Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) that let them file tax returns.
You're ignoring lots of details. The "dreamers" by definition have illegal parents as well as being illegal themselves. That means that the parents are doing the SS scam the OP described or some other, and by definition illegal, means of supporting themselves. This is what the pro-immigration/anti-citizen types keep overlooking - one crime begets another and yet another.
Good thing we already have laws again that. Illegal immigrants don't get welfare and
Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards.
You're ignoring a lot of details. The anchor babies do qualify for benefits immediately as well as the mother and they have no issue paying those benefits to illegal mothers. The US hates fathers so they are out. The anchor babies can eventually also sponsor their parents, siblings, and other family members. The majority of immigration over the past 50+ years has been family members that all start from a single anchor. The anchor babies also get free schooling and a variety of other benefits. It's really not hard, if you want the US to look like a 3rd world country, and it does more every year, then just allow a majority of 3rd world people in and you'll have it.
Tech companies never met an immigrant they don't like because more supply of workers means you can pay them less. If there were fewer workers then you would have to pay them more. If you've already made your money you benefit from having tons of surplus labor around.
Because the editors love peddling social justice outrage.
That's gay
Let's table this real issue in favor of focusing on getting kids and women in tech. Plus we need to help all dozen transgenders in the military first too. Then maybe we can discuss California's 3rd gender and other pointless topics with no economics attached. Real issues like mass immigration, H1B abuse, and anything that might help a white male like ageism might impact the bottom line or threaten the 1% and is thus verboten.
I'm job-seeking right now and they always ask. ALWAYS.
I love how this was passed thru (the law) because of male/female pay issues.
the REAL issue is that it makes negotiating a one-way street, with the company having all the power and you have nearly none.
'the first one to mention a number, loses'
that's how the old saying goes when you are haggling.
and yet, there's few ways out of this game, especially since you can't just mark 'market rate' on the online hr forms.
its all about keeping you in your place. the god damned 'job creators' that we have been worshipping really don't have our needs in mind; they could not care less if we all starved and died on the streets. lots of Indians to come over and work for a fraction of what a US person needs to live on.
good that this passed thru; but sad that it had to be couched as a male/female thing instead of 'strong company/weak worker' negotiation balancing.
either way, I expect companies to find loopholes to work around this 'unpleasent' rebalance of power.
The best pay raise I ever got by switching jobs was when I politely refused to answer this. I was asked about 6 times by various people, with my favorite being a very friendly guy who said "no really, stop playing games we need this", but I always replied that they should pay me what they thought I was worth. Funny enough their initial offer was low and I straight laughed and thanked them for their time. Their follow up offer was ~30% higher plus had a better bonus plan. I will concede that the reason I could try this stunt was that I was fairly happy at my current job and not desperate at all.
People are fucking stupid.
On this we agree. I think that voting against Hillary is playing the long game. For example, the US is going down no matter which of the two won. But with Trump the reboot comes faster. Hillary is just trying to keep the ship afloat a bit longer while the 1% continue to have their way with the 99%. She is the epitome of both the status quo and pay to play.
That is making sterile insects and releasing them so that generation mates with a lot of sterile males. However it only lasts a generation. The version I'm talking about carries a recessive gene that over time wipes out the species. It's permanent.
There was talk about putting in a recessive gene that made males sterile. The speculation was that over time certain species would fade out. Why that hasn't been applied to mosquitoes and flies immediately I'll never know. Talk about making the world a better place.
I hate to tell you this, but you dummies ARE the problem. Nothing you stand for is Good.
This really speaks to my original comment that if the Dems ever want to win elections they have to stop insulting half the country. You really need to internalize that we are the 99% includes *a lot* of people you won't like. Can you get past that and work with the people you disagree with for economic justice against the 1% or will you allow CNN et al to persuade you that fighting against others, and thus allowing the 1% to divide and conquer, is more important?
With all due respect, Germans are very smart people.
Indeed. They probably don't want the mass refugee immigration anymore than the US wants its mass south of the border immigration. In both cases the will of the people gets completely ignored by the leaders and millions of unskilled immigrants pour in at great cost. We need an improved version of democracy in both cases.
but not much. Our electoral college means that a handful of swing states decides who the president will be (because they're the only ones that aren't locked into one party). In three of them a handful of well organized coal miners decided our last election. Yeah, they're trying to stop progress, but they're doing that because corporatist Democrats abandoned them. If the Dems want to win again they need to stop abandoning large swaths of the working class and become an actual populist left party again. That means $15 minimum wage, Medicare for All, College for All, end the wars and a "New" New deal (e.g. infrastructure spending). Otherwise folks are going to keep voting GOP because, well, what have you got to lose?
It won't happen though because as you noted "for all" is the key. That includes white people and even (gasp) Christians. They just can't tolerate helping that group, that's the arch enemy after all. They'd rather lose elections or give amnesty to get enough foreign votes first.
If the Dems want to win again they need to stop deciding that all evils are due to white people. It's tough to win elections when every other left of center article blames the familiar "white male" punching bag. It's like wondering why Trump didn't get the Latino vote.
Depends. "winning" often involves perfecting the manufacturing environment as well. Including the supply chain, support businesses, logistics and most importantly, the workforce.
That's something that builds upon itself and can't be moved overnight. It's why the US has historically been such an economic powerhouse: it's industrial production strength.
Losing the next wave of manufacturing advanced energy products can be a pretty big loss. Both in terms of economic growth, employment and even more importantly, negotiating power during trade agreements.
We already lost the electronics manufacturing economy. Missing out on the renewable energy economy would seem to be a blow we can't take.
If only we could vote against the party that supports outsourcing everything to China. Oh wait, they both support that. Economic Nationalism really needs to find a good home. It resonates strongly enough that it allowed even a generally unelectable person like Trump to get elected. If a decent candidate got behind it they would certainly win.
No, it really makes no sense. He called the ruling party in China "progressive", for example. I didn't realize murdering a bunch of college students was "progress", but maybe I'm just a bit backwards.
Now we know what Antifa used as their model of progressive. It's all starting to make sense.
Bitcoin is a fixed amount currency, with only about 21 million BTC available. If it popularity increases prices will go nowhere but up.
And that _if_ is the rub. If it becomes more popular you are indeed correct. If it doesn't then it's useless. As others have noted bitcoin is just a different flavor of Fiat currency - it has no intrinsic value. I
Appears that the cool in modern design is just ignore every HCI rule that was build in the last 40 years.
Every generation has to figure things out for themselves, which is why everything that was old is eventually new again. I've already seen articles describing how the older Millennials are starting to tire of city renting life and desire to move to the suburbs .
citation:
http://www.bentley.edu/prepare...
Your red herring is bullshit. Illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than US citizens.
Legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than the US average. Illegal immigrants do not. Are you conflating the two as mass immigration supporters usually do? There's a good write up on this common fallacy here:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
The statistics for illegal immigrants are truly shocking when they can be found. Here's one example: One 2001 study that does take country of origin and geographic concentration factors into account found that Mexican immigrants “commit between 3.5 and 5 times as many crimes as the average native.” It also pointed out the large concentration of Mexican immigrants in the Southwest, which indicates that a nation-wide sample may not represent what is happening in states with a large concentration of criminal aliens. from this article: http://www.heritage.org/immigr...
It's the mouthpiece of reality that you really object to.
I'm sorry that you are loyal to Russia instead of America, and that you want Americans to continue running Russian government spyware.
If you were a loyal American instead of a traitor you would understand that it's important to warn you fellow Americans of a hostile foreign adversary's attack on your country and your computers.
Supporting Russia or Russians isn't treason. We are not at war with Russia. In fact, they're our allies.
Treason includes giving aid or comfort the the nation's enemies (foreign or domestic).
Indeed. In Southern California you see about as many Mexican flags as American flags, and Mexican nationals have killed far more Americans via murder and drunk driving than the Russians ever will. Yet oddly we deem that as deserving of Sanctuary while the Russians are considered a menace. Strange how we pick our enemies on anything *but* logic.
The fact that Wills don't get recorded and sent out to the involved parties automatically means that we haven't progressed beyond the 1700s. Too often there are still cases of "where is the will" or "which will is the proper will", as if we are in an old murder mystery. This is a case where bringing in a bit of modern technology, like recording documents, would save a lot of time and trouble with the added benefit of giving lawyers the shaft. A simple change could induce it, just give a tax penalty if it isn't properly recorded.
That cutting edge will cause people to bleed if they don't get this right.
Currently around 3500 people die in auto accidents every month, and another 380k get injured badly enough to go to a hospital (citation below). What we have today is far from perfect and if they can improve on what we currently have, despite not being perfect, it's progress and a good thing. The early data is that it helps reduce deaths by ~20% and injuries by ~40%. That's quite an improvement and I'm certain that it will get even better over time.
Citation:
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
Computers got better and we have 3D printers now? Isn't this the post-Luddite post-scarcity 3D printed virtual AI space future I was promised?
Am I still going to retire on Mars?
By any even halfway honest math most people won't retire at all. The Ponzi schemes of social security and government pensions will start to seriously hit the fan in the next few years.
Bernie and Bannon are the only two really trying to get the average American to a better spot.
Those 2 names should never appear in the same sentence with an "and" between them. You're going to melt brains.
There was actually a lot of overlap, economically speaking, between what the two advocated. Mind you this was before Bernie sided with illegals per Democrat requirements. In his earlier independent days he had pointed out both that trade policies (TPP et al) and immigration were both hurting the middle class. Pretty inline with Bannon in terms of economics. Citations:
http://www.politico.com/story/...