If you don't, don't use it; nobody is holding a gun to your head.
I don't use it. Is that a reason why I should refrain from criticising it? I don't smoke cigarettes either, should I avoid discussing their health implications when the subject arises?
The problem is in using the same operator for semantically different operations. This is not like using "+" for both integer and floating-point addition. Stroustrup's example of using the left-shift for I/O was nothing more than a parlor trick, and it led a generation of C++ victims into some very bad habits.
More than that, when you write in a language that doesn't have as much needless complexity as C++, then you have time debugging, and performance tuning that you don't have if you're using Stroustrup's Great Train Wreck.
Damn straight. Just because of that cute little parlor-trick, a hell of a lot of newbies and third-rate professors alike got the idea that it was a good thing to do.
The criticism fundamentally boils down to: why should a language force me to think?
No, the fundamental criticism is: why does C++ introduce so much complexity for so little benefit? It's not like Stroustrup didn't have plenty of examples of better work at the time. He can't claim that he made his mistakes because he wasn't familiar with the literature.
Another post blames C++ for having an accretion-based design process.
No, I don't blame the accretion, I blame the people who allowed it to continually adopt new misfeatures to try to work around the previous mistakes.
Oh, that stings.
Hey, if Stroustrup suffers a little bit of "stinging" for the thousands of man-years of pain he's caused to a generation of developers, I'm not going to shed a tear for him.
I must wonder why they picked IBM. Because IBM has a history of quicky capitulating on IP claims, legitimate or not. Most of the time, it's not worth their time and attention to go to court.
The website I linked to is the first one I hit when I googled for "ADA abuse". I first heard about the problem about ten years ago, when I read a story about some shyster who was systematically shaking down bars and restaurants in Denver.
the whole thing reeks of an astroturfing campaign. I wonder who's behind it...
Yes, the difference is that the taxes you pay for prisons and the court system are for your safety, not not to punish the taxpayer for crimes not committed.
For example, the owners of places of public accomodation are prevented from discriminating on the basis of disability, but there is an upward limit on what they must implement.
Regrettably, there's no limit on how many frivolous lawsuits can be filed against a business owner using the pretext of the ADA. Some people make a living suing businesses they've never even attempted to visit.
This particular case will probably be rendered moot by the congress exempting the Bureau of Engraving and Printing from the ADA.
There's no reason whatsoever other than laziness for not modernising the US currency. You seem to have neglected the millions that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing would spend modifying their processes, not to mention the billions it would cost to upgrade all the cash-counting machinery owned by private businesses.
Hey, since you're so generous, why don't we just draft you and others who share your opinion to be full-time money-handling assistants for the blind? Think of the warm, fuzzy feelings you'll get from actually helping people yourself instead of just waving your hands and proclaiming that a problem exists only because of laziness!
I remember a book about the Bermuda triangle that pointed out that the number of ships lost in the triangle was proportionate to the amount of shipping in that area. There is no mystery. -jcr
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I'm starting to think the USA would have been better off if John McCain was still MIA.
-jcr
If you don't, don't use it; nobody is holding a gun to your head.
I don't use it. Is that a reason why I should refrain from criticising it? I don't smoke cigarettes either, should I avoid discussing their health implications when the subject arises?
-jcr
The problem is in using the same operator for semantically different operations. This is not like using "+" for both integer and floating-point addition. Stroustrup's example of using the left-shift for I/O was nothing more than a parlor trick, and it led a generation of C++ victims into some very bad habits.
-jcr
More than that, when you write in a language that doesn't have as much needless complexity as C++, then you have time debugging, and performance tuning that you don't have if you're using Stroustrup's Great Train Wreck.
-jcr
In decently written code, it's not a problem.
In decently written code, you don't overload arithmetic operators for I/O.
-jcr
Damn straight. Just because of that cute little parlor-trick, a hell of a lot of newbies and third-rate professors alike got the idea that it was a good thing to do.
-jcr
The criticism fundamentally boils down to: why should a language force me to think?
No, the fundamental criticism is: why does C++ introduce so much complexity for so little benefit? It's not like Stroustrup didn't have plenty of examples of better work at the time. He can't claim that he made his mistakes because he wasn't familiar with the literature.
Another post blames C++ for having an accretion-based design process.
No, I don't blame the accretion, I blame the people who allowed it to continually adopt new misfeatures to try to work around the previous mistakes.
Oh, that stings.
Hey, if Stroustrup suffers a little bit of "stinging" for the thousands of man-years of pain he's caused to a generation of developers, I'm not going to shed a tear for him.
-jcr
More like accretion.
-jcr
Whether the parent post is correct or not, it certaily deserves an "interesting" mod.
-jcr
I must wonder why they picked IBM.
Because IBM has a history of quicky capitulating on IP claims, legitimate or not. Most of the time, it's not worth their time and attention to go to court.
-jcr
What is Oxygen worth, in commercial quantities? Anyone here bought it for medical purposes or welding lately?
-jcr
What really matters is how much this process drops the cost of separating water, not the energy efficiency.
-jcr
Do you know of any reason why IBM can't go for SCO's backers?
They can try, but it's not easy.
-jcr
The website I linked to is the first one I hit when I googled for "ADA abuse". I first heard about the problem about ten years ago, when I read a story about some shyster who was systematically shaking down bars and restaurants in Denver.
the whole thing reeks of an astroturfing campaign. I wonder who's behind it...
Do you work for a trial lawyer, by any chance?
-jcr
If the US treasury is any good at its job then it already has plans in place to change the currency.
Yep, keep waving those hands, that will make the costs go away.
Do you work on Capitol Hill, by any chance? You seem to be a natural at this.
-jcr
Yes, the difference is that the taxes you pay for prisons and the court system are for your safety, not not to punish the taxpayer for crimes not committed.
-jcr
Well, the zune hasn't been released outside the USA, so that's not surprising.
Of course, with the failure of the product here, it's quite unlikely to ever be offered in other markets.
-jcr
It wouldn't cost millions to change the processes, nor "billions" to change cash-counting machinery
Oh well, if you simply deny facts, then anything is possible! Have you priced bill counters? Do you have any idea how many businesses have them?
-jcr
For example, the owners of places of public accomodation are prevented from discriminating on the basis of disability, but there is an upward limit on what they must implement.
Regrettably, there's no limit on how many frivolous lawsuits can be filed against a business owner using the pretext of the ADA. Some people make a living suing businesses they've never even attempted to visit.
This particular case will probably be rendered moot by the congress exempting the Bureau of Engraving and Printing from the ADA.
-jcr
There's no reason whatsoever other than laziness for not modernising the US currency.
You seem to have neglected the millions that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing would spend modifying their processes, not to mention the billions it would cost to upgrade all the cash-counting machinery owned by private businesses.
Hey, since you're so generous, why don't we just draft you and others who share your opinion to be full-time money-handling assistants for the blind? Think of the warm, fuzzy feelings you'll get from actually helping people yourself instead of just waving your hands and proclaiming that a problem exists only because of laziness!
-jcr
Sounds like you've never hired a builder to install an access ramp.
-jcr
The ships will never be built to use this technology.
It can be easily retrofitted. All you need are fittings to emit compressed air from the keel.
-jcr
I remember a book about the Bermuda triangle that pointed out that the number of ships lost in the triangle was proportionate to the amount of shipping in that area. There is no mystery.
-jcr
Yeah, let me know when you get a hovercraft working that can take 2500 standard shipping containers.
-jcr
How do you walk with your knees jerking like that?
-jcr