I have thought about this alot. Especially since I have been reading up on the Genome project and it's relationship with "aging" genes.
In the course of human history, I can't think of anything else that comes close to the impact that immortality would bring upon the earth - aside from destroying it (which is another topic).
If we are able to "master" aging, *everything* will change. Economics. Religon. Politics. Business. Culture. Education. Government. Philosophy. I am not smart enough to theorize on how they will change but I can say that the change would be larger than anything the human population has ever seen or even thought about.
There are all kinds of interesting moral questions as well, like who would be eligible? How would we handle population growth? Etc.
The specific cause of the accident is that a relief valve popped and failed to reset, thus releasing the gas out of the tank it was in.
Note: the relief valve did half of its job. Yes, it's supposed to pop open when pressure rises to unsafe levels....but its also supposed to reclose when the pressure is back at safe levels. That didn't happen, which is part of the reason so much gas was let loose.
You are speaking of FUNDING the initiative....I was speaking of operating the initiative. Two completely different things.
Of course the govt should fund things. That's what we pay taxes for and that's what the congress critters fight over. But that is very different than your gov't funding, establishing, and running a WiFi network.
Ok, before you fly off the handle about why this law was passed....consider this:
Do you really want your government running any kind of telecom infrastructure? I mean, I am all for "services for the people" and all that jazz but on the other side, I am also for smaller government.
WiFi *could* be used as just one more reason to take more of my hard earned money. This bill assures that won't happen.
(p.s. I am against this bill but I am just playing the devil's advocate because issues are rarely black and white. More like lukewarm grey.)
wtf is racist about this? I *do* live in the Choctaw nation and I'm an American Indian (Cherokee, tho). So exactly, wtf is racist here?
Was it my casino comment? Well, just drive around Oklahoma or any other "Indian" state and I think the evidence will support me. The *DO* have casinos. It is the current growth industry for American Indians.
Good luck learning to speak Choctaw. If you look *real* hard, you might find someone who speaks Choctaw -- but chances are, they are too busy running the casino to teach you anything useful.
Ok, I am feeling nasty today and very elitist for no reason whatsoever.
Your mom and my mom have the same experience (no jokes!)....but I call that "thinning of the heard". It works like this. Once we get the newbs "off" the internet, the rest of us who know something about computers can get back to work.
Elitist? Yes. Unreasonable? No. I don't think anyone would argue that newbies in and of themselves pose a security risk because they don't even know the most basic concepts when it comes to computers.
It's like saying you are a driver and not knowing what a tire is.
You have to look at this from the MS viewpoint. Firefox is NOT a threat, if you are looking at it from a revenue standpoint.
True business threats (as in the SWOT model) usually have some kind of financial impact. Swapping a browser that comes with your OS for one that is "free" is not exactly going to cripple Microsoft's sales numbers.
Also, if you are really interested, just search for "sour gas" or natural gas pipelines. This is a VERY well known concept. So much so that you would be hard pressed to find a single pipeline guy who doesn't know about it. I mean, it's like saying you know cars and then having no idea what a tire is. It's that "big" of a deal in the pipeline business. And the simple reason it's that way is...because it kills people.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not try to prove me wrong by inhaling 600ppm like the grand-grandparent says. You *will* hurt yourself badly.
lol. Go ahead and try 600ppm. You'll die with one breath -- and you won't even know it.
I sell to sour gas pipelines everyday of the workweek. (sour gas = nat gas that has H2S) While you can certainly believe anything you want, 10 ppm will kill you with 10 min exposure. That's why you see pipeline workers with H2S monitors around their neck. It is HIGHLY lethal shit.
For those hoping we can swap that ratio, I think you are in for a big dissappointment. We are talking LOTS and LOTS of energy production here. A few windfarm concept sites are not going to cut it. Serious $$$ (as in hundreds of billions) would be needed to change this ratio anytime within 100 years. The simple fact is, wind and alternative forms of electricity are just not as economically efficient enought to make a dent. With major gov't funding, perhaps they will be someday -- but we are NOWHERE NEAR THAT right now. Not even close. We are on step 1 of 500 that would have to happen in order for our electricity needs to be met by alternative means.
I don't want to sound like a pessimist but we have a long long loooooooong way to go and I think it's important that people know that so their expectations are set correctly.
Natural gas is heavier than air? Nope. Don't think so. There might be impurities that make it heavier but your "normal" natural gas - like the kind in the pipelines - is not heavier than air.
Naturaly gas, generally, has a molecular weight of around 18.
I know because I sell relief valves for nat gas. Just FYI, they vent those to atmosphere and we would never vent to atmosphere if it "pooled" around the pipeline. Very unsafe.
There is uproar over propane -- its just not as explosive as Hydrogen.
The way you "protect" against Propane (or any hydrocarbon) is the same as you protect against Hydrogen. Yes, there are minor differences but both substances are in Group B according to the hazardous locations setforth by the National Electric Code. (fyi, this is Class 1, Div 1 stuff that we all know if you have ever stepped foot in a plant of anykind).
A good reference for this is a book published by Magnetrol International called "Understanding Hazardous Locations". It details everything you ever wanted to know about hazardous/explosive materials and how we deal with them.
...and full disclosure here...I sell Magnetrol products (and many others) so I do have quite a bit of experience addressing equipment and explosive/flammable media.
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Thats how it is for boats as well. A boat under sail will have right of way over a boat under motor because it's harder for to manuever.
I have thought about this alot. Especially since I have been reading up on the Genome project and it's relationship with "aging" genes.
In the course of human history, I can't think of anything else that comes close to the impact that immortality would bring upon the earth - aside from destroying it (which is another topic).
If we are able to "master" aging, *everything* will change. Economics. Religon. Politics. Business. Culture. Education. Government. Philosophy. I am not smart enough to theorize on how they will change but I can say that the change would be larger than anything the human population has ever seen or even thought about.
There are all kinds of interesting moral questions as well, like who would be eligible? How would we handle population growth? Etc.
I'll take yours if you don't want them. Seriously, if I have to take pills so that I can make it to 1000, then fine -- I'll take the pills.
I don't fear death but I'm quite sure I am in no hurry to meet him.
The specific cause of the accident is that a relief valve popped and failed to reset, thus releasing the gas out of the tank it was in.
Note: the relief valve did half of its job. Yes, it's supposed to pop open when pressure rises to unsafe levels....but its also supposed to reclose when the pressure is back at safe levels. That didn't happen, which is part of the reason so much gas was let loose.
Are you actually comparing murder (via "environmental" factors) to natural death due to old age?
That's a mighty slippery slope, there mister.
You are speaking of FUNDING the initiative....I was speaking of operating the initiative. Two completely different things.
Of course the govt should fund things. That's what we pay taxes for and that's what the congress critters fight over. But that is very different than your gov't funding, establishing, and running a WiFi network.
Ok, before you fly off the handle about why this law was passed....consider this:
Do you really want your government running any kind of telecom infrastructure? I mean, I am all for "services for the people" and all that jazz but on the other side, I am also for smaller government.
WiFi *could* be used as just one more reason to take more of my hard earned money. This bill assures that won't happen.
(p.s. I am against this bill but I am just playing the devil's advocate because issues are rarely black and white. More like lukewarm grey.)
wtf is racist about this? I *do* live in the Choctaw nation and I'm an American Indian (Cherokee, tho). So exactly, wtf is racist here?
Was it my casino comment? Well, just drive around Oklahoma or any other "Indian" state and I think the evidence will support me. The *DO* have casinos. It is the current growth industry for American Indians.
This has been true forever.
At the top, are the professionals (and the large companies, governments, and institutions to support them)
At the bottom are those who have an interest but no means to carry out their interest due to high barriers of entry.
That leaves room in the middle for us, the pro-ams. Most of us won't find the "next best thing", but a FEW of us will. That's pretty cool.
Good luck learning to speak Choctaw. If you look *real* hard, you might find someone who speaks Choctaw -- but chances are, they are too busy running the casino to teach you anything useful.
I've destroyed universes... br -Bill Hicks
Wherever there is danger, there lurks opportunity; whenever there is opportunity, there lurks danger. The two are inseparable. They go together.
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uhh, yea it is for lack of trying. Who the hell in their right mind would want to show up on THIER radar?
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yea, I'll go with that....
And not just because of Big Brother. Because we can't do these things effectively.
Ok, I am feeling nasty today and very elitist for no reason whatsoever.
Your mom and my mom have the same experience (no jokes!)....but I call that "thinning of the heard". It works like this. Once we get the newbs "off" the internet, the rest of us who know something about computers can get back to work.
Elitist? Yes. Unreasonable? No. I don't think anyone would argue that newbies in and of themselves pose a security risk because they don't even know the most basic concepts when it comes to computers.
It's like saying you are a driver and not knowing what a tire is.
Its big here already.
Love,
Tulsa
You have to look at this from the MS viewpoint. Firefox is NOT a threat, if you are looking at it from a revenue standpoint.
True business threats (as in the SWOT model) usually have some kind of financial impact. Swapping a browser that comes with your OS for one that is "free" is not exactly going to cripple Microsoft's sales numbers.
Whoops....should have been 10 minutes. Sorry about that.
You can see some more info on H2S here: H2S Safety Info.
Also, if you are really interested, just search for "sour gas" or natural gas pipelines. This is a VERY well known concept. So much so that you would be hard pressed to find a single pipeline guy who doesn't know about it. I mean, it's like saying you know cars and then having no idea what a tire is. It's that "big" of a deal in the pipeline business. And the simple reason it's that way is...because it kills people.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not try to prove me wrong by inhaling 600ppm like the grand-grandparent says. You *will* hurt yourself badly.
Shit....forgot nuclear in my first line. Good catch!
lol. Go ahead and try 600ppm. You'll die with one breath -- and you won't even know it.
I sell to sour gas pipelines everyday of the workweek. (sour gas = nat gas that has H2S) While you can certainly believe anything you want, 10 ppm will kill you with 10 min exposure. That's why you see pipeline workers with H2S monitors around their neck. It is HIGHLY lethal shit.
98% coal/gas/hydro
2% other "alternatives"
For those hoping we can swap that ratio, I think you are in for a big dissappointment. We are talking LOTS and LOTS of energy production here. A few windfarm concept sites are not going to cut it. Serious $$$ (as in hundreds of billions) would be needed to change this ratio anytime within 100 years. The simple fact is, wind and alternative forms of electricity are just not as economically efficient enought to make a dent. With major gov't funding, perhaps they will be someday -- but we are NOWHERE NEAR THAT right now. Not even close. We are on step 1 of 500 that would have to happen in order for our electricity needs to be met by alternative means.
I don't want to sound like a pessimist but we have a long long loooooooong way to go and I think it's important that people know that so their expectations are set correctly.
The pipelines in this country are most definitely not interchangeable between nat gas and Hydrogen.
All it would take is a little sulfur in that Hydrogen line and you get H2S -- deadly at 10 ppm @ 10 second exposure.
Natural gas is heavier than air? Nope. Don't think so. There might be impurities that make it heavier but your "normal" natural gas - like the kind in the pipelines - is not heavier than air.
Naturaly gas, generally, has a molecular weight of around 18.
I know because I sell relief valves for nat gas. Just FYI, they vent those to atmosphere and we would never vent to atmosphere if it "pooled" around the pipeline. Very unsafe.
There is uproar over propane -- its just not as explosive as Hydrogen.
...and full disclosure here...I sell Magnetrol products (and many others) so I do have quite a bit of experience addressing equipment and explosive/flammable media.
The way you "protect" against Propane (or any hydrocarbon) is the same as you protect against Hydrogen. Yes, there are minor differences but both substances are in Group B according to the hazardous locations setforth by the National Electric Code. (fyi, this is Class 1, Div 1 stuff that we all know if you have ever stepped foot in a plant of anykind).
A good reference for this is a book published by Magnetrol International called "Understanding Hazardous Locations". It details everything you ever wanted to know about hazardous/explosive materials and how we deal with them.