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Make Your Own Cluster Balloon

Mr. Christmas Lights writes "'Have you ever dreamed of being carried into the sky by a giant bouquet of colorful toy balloons?' John Ninomiya does exactly that using 50-150 four-seven foot diameter balloons filled with helium ... and sealed with tape (duct?) and cable ties. Folks may recall the lawn chair man who floated up to 16,000 feet, but John takes this to a whole new level and his site has some wild pictures ... and includes the comment 'Kids, don't try this at home!'"

243 comments

  1. The inevitable question... by Chairboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you were a sixth century Scandinavian warrior out to kill a Grendel, and providence provided you with one of these clusters, what would you call it?

    1. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pretty fucking useless. Grendel lived underground

    2. Re:The inevitable question... by dogen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Himmel-belysning kjempemessig ballen. Lighter than air giant gonoidal units.

    3. Re:The inevitable question... by anagama · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but then there would be no need to arrive by ship. In any event, John Gardner's book "Grendel", which tells the story from Grendel's perspective, is my favorite book of all time. Beowulf is a prick and deserves a cluster f .... ahem.

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    4. Re:The inevitable question... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1, Troll

      A Ballonish Soaring Device, which would promptly be confirmed to be dying. Though where he'd find the old Koreans to operate it is beyond me, since he'd have to travel through (pre-) Soviet Russia to find one.

    5. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      a beowulf cluster?

      Do I win a prize?

    6. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok. I'll bite.

      Um, a Beowulf cluster?

    7. Re:The inevitable question... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      I'd stare at it for a second and then say, "Hwaet the heck?"

    8. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Grendel Cluster?

    9. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real inevitable question is what happens when you need to go to the bathroom?

    10. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in agreement on the best book thing. I read it early during my senior year of high school, and by graduation still couldn't believe he flicked off the sky on the first page!

    11. Re:The inevitable question... by BillTheKatt · · Score: 1

      Grendel was good, but the best of all time? I'm not sure about that. You've got to compare it to Neuromancer, Snowcrash, Snowcrash, and The Belgariad.

    12. Re:The inevitable question... by anagama · · Score: 1

      Well, I like many books, and definitely enjoyed Neuromancer. I put "Grendel" up higher because I've read it at least 8 or 9 times. Next in line would have to be The Trilogy - probably 5 or 6 times, followed by various books of Azimov and Ian M. Banks (Culture series - not read the fantasy stuff) which I've given multiple reads. I had to rank "Grendel" really high given the number of times I've read (and enjoyed/learned from) it. To get on my all-time-favorites list, a book has to be read at least twice.

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    13. Re:The inevitable question... by poningru · · Score: 1

      OMG no body got this joke? *sigh* Either no one got this joke or did not want to acknoledge that it was a very good joke. Atleast the mods knew what you were talking about. Oh and for the people who still cant figure out the answer its a Beowulf Cluster

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    14. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Belgariad - that latter-day, pay-by-the-word rehash of the Tolkien epic? And as for Stephenson and Gibson, they're fine writers, but hardly benchmarks for comparison in such a context. Remember: for twentieth-century (and late nineteenth) century literature, it's Tolkien for epic fantasy, Asimov and Clarke for science fiction (Wells and Verne too, while we're at it), and throw in Faulkner, Orwell, and Hemingway for well-roundedness. And then we have the playwrights to consider too...

    15. Re:The inevitable question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, how dare he go around destroying monsters that killed innocent people (yes, let's take Grendel's side, who killed children.)

  2. four-seven by ryanmfw · · Score: 1, Interesting
    50-150 four-seven foot diameter balloons

    What kind of measurement is that? The ambiguous measure. The new way to skimp out on actually *editing* articles.

    Unless, of course, they're just different sized ballons, and I'm just being a pedant. Silly me.

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    1. Re:four-seven by marco0009 · · Score: 2, Informative

      *cough* Quote from the article: "The balloons range in size from four to seven feet; depending on the mix of sizes, anywhere from 50 to 150 balloons may be needed."

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    2. Re:four-seven by ryanmfw · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, I have no clue why I posted that. I believe I am going insane. ;)

      Cheers, Ryan

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    3. Re:four-seven by jfengel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You end up with 100 non-holes in negative space. It must be spectacular to look at.

    4. Re:four-seven by Psychofreak · · Score: 1
      A traveler, fleeing a tiger who was chasing him, ran till he came to the edge of a cliff. There he caught hold of a thick vine, and swung himself over the edge. Above him the tiger snarled. Below him he heard another snarl, and behold, there was another tiger, peering up at him.... Then in front of him on the cliffside he saw a luscious bunch of grapes. Holding onto the vine with one hand, he reached and picked a grape with the other.
      How delicious!
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      Almost as good as antigrav! This is quoted from the Indiana section of his flight log
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    5. Re:four-seven by shamilton · · Score: 1

      He'll probably want to talk to this guy.

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    6. Re:four-seven by Ba3r · · Score: 0

      By using -100 imaginary balloons, duh!

    7. Re:four-seven by jerde · · Score: 1

      Made me think about truly empty balloons again...

      Imagine if we had a material light and strong enough to contain a vacuum, thus obtaining buoyancy. If the whole thing scaled enough, you could have a vacuum pump on-board with you, and let air back in to lower buoyancy, suck out more to have more.

      Basically, build a boat that floats in our atmosphere. I wonder how strongly physics is stacked against us... would such a thing ever be possible even with "advanced" materials?

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  3. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever dreamed of being carried into the sky by a giant bouquet of colorful toy balloons?

    No. Next question?

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I have. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but... I love heights, whether it's looking down from a mountain peak, folded over a high bridge's railings, or floating in the sky off a parachute, I just love it. I find skydiving exhilirating because of the sensation of floating in the air, I've tried paragliding but didn't like -- too dangerous imho. This looks promising, except that there's little control in travel direction, and landing is way too dodgy.

      If they could add better controls, I would try this for sure. Yeahhhh!!!!

    2. Re:Well by anagama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dount you are in the minority with this fantasy. I clearly remember youthful days spending hours upon hours sitting on the back porch looking up at the sky and dreaming about floating off over the fields. This was around first grade, so that would be roughly 1975. I think the trigger was seeing an ad for giant baloons in a comic book. The flying/floating fantasy has been with me in one form or another since then. I have nothing but respect for this guy.

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  4. Anybody else by HardJeans · · Score: 0, Informative

    have difficulty reading "50-150 four-seven foot diameter balloons" Try this: 50 to 150 4' by 7' diameter balloons.

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    1. Re:Anybody else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Try this: 50 to 150 4' by 7' diameter balloons.

      Yeah, those rectangular balloons work so much better than the common spherical ones.

    2. Re:Anybody else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW ABOUT:

      50 to 150 balloons in various sizes from 4' in diameter to 7' in diameter.

      THIS IMPLIES:
      If the majority (or all) of balloons are the larger 7' diameter you'll only need about 50, else you'll need more.

      THIS IS SLASHDOT:
      Only genuine nerds do not need the above translation FFS! (Oh and I LOVE the .mov file ... EXCELLENT!)

    3. Re:Anybody else by krbvroc1 · · Score: 0

      Try this: 50 to 150 4' by 7' diameter balloons.

      Nope, still wrong. Try this: 50 to 150 latex ballons ranging in diameter from 4' to 7'. However, I dont see the diameter mentioned in the article.

    4. Re:Anybody else by TheLink · · Score: 1

      How about filling up condoms with helium?

      Glowing balloons could be fun too at night. Think of the UFO reports...

      That said, the shortage of Helium seems to be quite a significant imminent problem.

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  5. Mary Poppin's by Kevin+Mitnick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call me when we have an umbrella that lets you fly through the clouds

    1. Re:Mary Poppin's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the parachute, and let's you fly (down) through the clouds. Make it through without a serious (read: deadly) cold is something else.

    2. Re:Mary Poppin's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the parachute, and let's you fly (down) through the clouds.

      "lets".
      Also, parachutes do not enable one to fly; they merely enable one to fall at a reduced speed.

    3. Re:Mary Poppin's by yRabbit · · Score: 1

      Ah, The Penguin had some of those. ;)

    4. Re:Mary Poppin's by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      Oi 'av a roilly wiord ak-sent, will 'at do Meary Popeens?

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  6. The lawnchair guy by tuxlove · · Score: 2, Funny

    He eventually committed suicide, though it's unclear if it had anything to do with the amount of ridicule he received as a result of the lawnchair incident. All he needed to do was to make it look like he flew away on purpose, and nobody would be any wiser. Kind of like the guy in this article. :)

    1. Re:The lawnchair guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel more sorry for that kid who watched American Pie and then burned his cock on a microwaved apple pie

    2. Re:The lawnchair guy by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Evolution in action.

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    3. Re:The lawnchair guy by Clete2 · · Score: 1

      This guy isn't the lawnchair guy, though, is he? The lawnchair guy was quite drunk. He made it into SimCity 4 too :).

    4. Re:The lawnchair guy by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      If he really wanted to off himself, why not repeat the stunt and jump?

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    5. Re:The lawnchair guy by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Probably because he might get up there, chicken out, and then have to go back to prison.

      (He went to prison for the first stunt and my guess is that the repeat offense would carry a longer sentance.)

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    6. Re:The lawnchair guy by cheekyboy · · Score: 0

      Id rather fly over Norad or Area51 and get shot down by a hellfire missile then create all sorts of bad press for the military and an awesome position in the worlds history books.

      Any one know where Area51 workers live? or military guys? Break into their houses and find any suspect secret info if they brang it back home. Or has the KGB done that?

      Any kids out there have a grandpa that used to work for CIA/military that 'knows' the secrets of the alien type machines :) Give him a call,

      "hey grandpa , if you ever want me to visit you, give me all your CIA secrets before you die and we never visit you "

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    7. Re:The lawnchair guy by LedZeplin · · Score: 1

      Some live near roswell and others live in Vegas and fly in unmarked white airlines to Groom Dry Lake.

    8. Re:The lawnchair guy by Quikah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, a hellfire is an anti-tank air to ground missile. Not that useful for downing a floating lawnchair. Stinger missiles (shoulder launched ground to air) might work though.

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    9. Re:The lawnchair guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, a hellfire could work, but you'd probably be blinded by the laser designator before you got hit (well, unless it were a TV, infrared, or radar guided hellfire that is.) I've heard of a few helis being downed by hellfires, doubt a bunch of balloons would pose much of a challenge :)

      Chances that's what would be used to shoot you down? About negative zero percent. Much cheaper to use the 20mm guns. Like shooting monkeys suspended from balloons!

    10. Re:The lawnchair guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they brang it back home

      "brought". Good lord.

    11. Re:The lawnchair guy by Forbman · · Score: 1

      Any one know where Area51 workers live?

      Yes, they live in Las Vegas. They get flown in and out of Area 51 by non-descript, unmarked 737's from McCarran Intl. At least, that's the version for the public.

    12. Re:The lawnchair guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant, "natural selection".

    13. Re:The lawnchair guy by scottp1296 · · Score: 1

      (He went to prison for the first stunt and my guess is that the repeat offense would carry a longer sentance.)
      Actually he just ended up paying a $1500 fine (as soon as the FAA figured out what to charge him with).

  7. More information... by WalterGR · · Score: 5, Informative

    The lawn-chair man sounded like a hoax to me, but snopes.com (which we all know is the final word in urban legends) claims it's true!

    My favorite part:

    As Larry and his lawnchair drifted into the approach path to Long Beach Municipal Airport, perplexed pilots from two passing Delta and TWA airliners alerted air traffic controllers about what appeared to be an unprotected man floating through the sky in a chair.

    1. Re:More information... by bm17 · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, according to the FAA he has the right of way. Even skydivers and birds would be expected to steer around him.

    2. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm... from the article.
      Remarkably, Walters seemingly original plan to float up into the sky in a chair tethered to balloons then shoot them down one by one when he wanted to return to terra firma was eerily presaged by an E.B. White piece which appeared in The New Yorker sometime between 1936 and 1954. Popping up in a 1984 collection of E.B. White tales, the pieces titled "Professor Picard Before" and "Professor Picard After" recount the saga of an adventurous professor who believed he could travel to the outer spheres in a basket attached to 2,000 toy balloons and would be able to bring himself back down by shooting out some of them. This being a work of fiction, though Picard descends in flames, he emerges unhurt and choked with laughter.

      Character inspiration for Star Trek?

    3. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you cite what part of the rules and regs supports this statement?

    4. Re:More information... by mercuryresearch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Assuming he's licensed (which this guy -- but not lawn chair guy -- is).

      The basic rule for right of way for aircraft is the the lesser manuverable craft has the right of way.

      So it goes like baloons, airships, airplanes, helicopters.

      Also, the "lawn chair guy" is dead, of suicide.

      It's definitely NOT an urban legend, I remember when he first did it -- made national news. The story still routinely pops up in pilot magazines.

      And to echo the cluster ballooning guy's advice: don't try this at home without training. I'm a licensed airplane pilot, and have crewed on hot air balloons a few times in New Mexico during their annual ballooning orgy. IMHO piloting balloons takes more skill as they're so much less manuverable you need to be considerably better at planning. Figuring out you don't have that skill while airborne is a bad thing.

      Heighting the terror factor is that when you're screwed you usually know about it well before the actual you're-screwed event takes place, and get to experience it in slow motion.

    5. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to fly out of the little air field at the Air Force Academy. On any given weekend (except for deep winter) you would have the following in and around the pattern: Parachutists, hot air balloons (since discontinued I've heard), gliders, gliders in tow, single engine, light. There, balloon guy and lawn chair guy would have been regarded with interest, not derision. I believe I've correctly given the rules of precedence above.

    6. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loser.

      Of course its true. Its old old news.

    7. Re:More information... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. FAR 91.113, "Right-of-way rules: Except water operations," subsection (d)(1): "(1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of aircraft." Generally, the craft that is hardest to maneuver has the right-of-way.

    8. Re:More information... by veg_all · · Score: 1

      It's better than just true, it's a true story that's been made into a movie.

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    9. Re:More information... by timeOday · · Score: 1
      You know what looks disconcerting ot me, there is apparently no way to generate more lift. You pop a balloon, it's gone. You can't do a burn like in a hot air balloon.

      I don't know if this is possible, but if you descended from denser air to less dense air, it seems you would lose boyancy. That could be quite a pickle :)

    10. Re:More information... by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      You know what looks disconcerting ot me, there is apparently no way to generate more lift. You pop a balloon, it's gone. You can't do a burn like in a hot air balloon.

      RTFA, you release water or ballast to increase your lift, and pop or release balloons to decrease your lift. But since you can only carry a limited number of balloons or ballast, you can only ascend or descend a limited number of times.

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    11. Re:More information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally, the craft that is hardest to maneuver has the right-of-way.

      Wish someone would tell that to pedestrians and compact cars.

    12. Re:More information... by Alioth · · Score: 1

      You forgot gliders, and aircraft towing other aircraft. Also, I think helicopters and airplanes are equivalent when it comes to right of way (with the caveat that helicopter traffic patterns at airports must avoid the flow of fixed wing aircraft).

    13. Re:More information... by PsykhoKiwi · · Score: 1

      If you run out of water you could always go for a whizz ;0)

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  8. In Korea... by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Only old people float to 16,000 feet in lawnchairs!

    Stupid jokes aside, who else thinks that's freaking INSANE? Poor guy. I can't imagine what i would do if suddenly i was 16,000 feet high in a freaking LAWN CHAIR

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    1. Re:In Korea... by iiioxx · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't imagine what i would do if suddenly i was 16,000 feet high in a freaking LAWN CHAIR

      Yell "I'm a birdie!" and shit on passing cars?

      Just a thought...

    2. Re:In Korea... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 0
      I can't imagine what i would do if suddenly i was 16,000 feet high in a freaking LAWN CHAIR
      Yell "I'm a birdie!" and shit on passing cars?

      At 16,000 feet? What, do you mean to tell me they finally came out with flying cars? All right!

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  9. From the pictures... by kai5263499 · · Score: 4, Funny

    that looks like a prime position for a serious wedgie...

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  10. Yay! by Anubis333 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like we will have some new Darwin Award entries this year!

    1. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a lame Slashdot article. This was already done on the show MythBusters, to prove that it could be done. Plus, I did this when I was six years old when they had a big event at the local mall and my step-dad carried me around to get a shitload of them and I tied them to my wrist. Started floating, eventually.

    2. Re:Yay! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Yea, right! The average helium balloon can only pick up 2 ounces at best. You couldn't have gotten enough of them close enough together to make it work.

      And if you were using the balloons talked about in this article, your step dad would have been taken to jail for being an idiot.

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    3. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With about 100 baloons (sounds about right, if I recall), you could easily lift around 15lbs. The average six year old is around 50lb to 60lb. Trust me, with a quarter of your weight being lifted, you'll feel a massive difference. It's like having 0.66 gravity.

    4. Re:Yay! by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Actually the darwin awards has one of the best writeups on Lawnchair Larry, unfortunately they have added some dumb cartoons recently, but it has more info than the summary article and some good real pictures.

    5. Re:Yay! by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      Danny Deckchair was a pretty good little movie based on the same urban legend.

    6. Re:Yay! by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 0

      I get the same effect breathing helium and eating Mexican food while wearing airtight pants.

  11. Please use these Mirrors by TheMysteriousFuture · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Please use these Mirrors by big+tex · · Score: 1

      Except, here we are- quite a few comments in and the 8.6 meg quicktime slideshow still loads quickly.

      This balloon man taunts us.
      He does not deserve your crappy mirrors, and deserves a proper slashdotting.

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  12. For a movie inspired by the Lawnchair Man by lou2ser · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out Danny Deckchair. Its relativly new, and recieved decent reviews.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337960/

  13. What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 1

    of helium that could have been used by welders and divers and scientists. There is only so much left in the strategic reserves. But hurray for the human spirit.

    1. Re:What a waste... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      ...There are "strategic reserves" of helium?

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    2. Re:What a waste... by Nine+Tenths+of+The+W · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. The Pentagon has to plan for all eventualities, including invasion by an army of angry clowns

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    3. Re:What a waste... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I know the government did store such reserves in underground caverns for decades, but since atmospheric helium is recovered cryogenically nowadays I believe they stopped doing that. At least that's what I read somewhere.

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    4. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes. Most of the world's helium comes from a bubble in an oil well in Texas. Once it is released it drifts off into space.

    5. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that! If this is really possible, we don't need no stinkin' flying cars. Stop wasting helium on welders, divers and scientists, and start building more of these babies!

    6. Re:What a waste... by cheese_wallet · · Score: 4, Informative

      "There is only so much left in the strategic reserves."

      There is enough helium in the US reserves to supply the states for 100 years, or the world for 10. I don't think this guy made a dent.

      http://www.agiweb.org/gap/legis104/heliumup.html

    7. Re:What a waste... by tylernt · · Score: 1

      Informative?! Uh, FYI, helium does not float off into space. I kinda doubt the oil well thing too.

      I think it was meant to be funny.

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    8. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it floats off into space. Where did you think it went? It's lighter than molecular O2 and N2. If you don't believe me, check the wikkipedia or google for "strategic helium reserve". I weld with the stuff and I breath the stuff when I dive shipwrecks with a closed-circuit rebreather. I have a vested interest in knowing.

    9. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not funny. When I was seven my parents were killed by an angry clown.

    10. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he come from outer space?

    11. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, there is enough in the reserve to supply the US government to 100 years, the entire US for ~15 years, or the world for about 10 years. The world helium supply is limited and non-renewable. Just like oil. However, when oil runs out we can use solar and alcohol and biodiesel. There is no substitute for helium.

      I didn't mean to come off as the Grinch. People like this guy are hardly putting a dent in the supply compared to those damn blimps that leak huge amounts of crude helium (Ne/He) into the atmosphere. I also hate those toy ballons they give to kids. It's another waste of helium and the balloons wind up in all sorts of environmentally unfriendly places.

      But I think I have to make an exception for these cluster balloon guys. I think the increase in human spirit and morale far outweighs the reletively small amount of helium used. I'd love to do it myself.

    12. Re:What a waste... by tylernt · · Score: 1

      It most certainly does not float off into space. Earth's gravity prevents it from doing so. It may float up to several miles above the surface, granted, but it's hardly lost.

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    13. Re:What a waste... by physicsphairy · · Score: 1
      There is no substitute for helium.

      Uhh... hydrogen, my friend?

    14. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Since you seem incapable of looking it up yourself, I did it for you:

      Abundance

      Helium is the second most abundant element in the known universe after hydrogen and constitutes nearly a quarter of the mass of the universe. It is concentrated in the stars, where it is formed from hydrogen by the nuclear fusion of the proton-proton chain reaction and CNO cycle. According to the Big Bang model of the early development of the universe, the vast majority of helium was formed in the first three minutes after the Big Bang.

      However, the concentration of helium in the Earth's atmosphere is only 1 part in 200,000, largely because most helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space due to its inertness and low mass. All considerable helium on Earth is a result of radioactive decay. The decay product is found in minerals of uranium and thorium, including cleveites, pitchblende, carnotite, monazite and beryl. There are also small amounts in mineral springs, volcanic gas and meteoric iron. The greatest concentrations on the planet are in natural gas, from which most commercial helium is derived. The principal source in the world is the natural gas wells of the American states of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas.
    15. Re:What a waste... by mrhartwig · · Score: 2, Informative

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium:
      "...the concentration of helium in the Earth's atmosphere is only 1 part in 200,000, largely because most helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space due to its inertness and low mass."

    16. Re:What a waste... by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Funny

      You missed a great chance to use the "You Insensitive Clod" header there.

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    17. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The folks at EnvironmentalChemistry.com disagree with you, they say:
      Sources: Found in natural gas deposits & in the air (5 parts per billion) Constantly lost to space; replenished by radioactive decay (alpha particles). Helium is the second most abundant element in the universe by mass (25%).

      The nice people over at Jefferson Lab Education site confirm this:

      Helium makes up about 0.0005% of the earth's atmosphere. This trace amount of helium is not gravitationally bound to the earth and is constantly lost to space. The earth's atmospheric helium is replaced by the decay of radioactive elements in the earth's crust.

      Also in the "it leaks into space" camp are HowStuffWorks.com and Encarta.

    18. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Tell that to an analytical chemist who has his gas chromatograph explode because he has to run hydrogen instead of helium as the carrier gas. Sure, you get better resolution with hydrogen, but helium is safer. Add on to that the fact that in Europe, chemists collect and recycle their helium, one starts to appreciate the value only when there was a shortage. Ask any analytical chemist how their helium was rationed two summers ago- they'll remember it.

      Helium has utility in places where you'd never think about- heliarc welding, or any inert gas welding (TIG, MIG, etc.), for example. Welding aluminum isn't the same without it. Liquid fuel rocketry uses it to drive the fuel. It has innumerable cryogenic applications that are irreproducible with any other element. You can't grow silicon or germanium crystals without it, so kiss your computer chips and cell phones goodbye without it. The tests used to throw sizable chunks of foam into a Shuttle wing to simulate what happened to Columbia were done with a light gas gun- which uses helium to create a shock wave of sufficient velocity.

      Everyone thinks it's a big joke, a "strategic helium reserve." Truth be known, were it not for the eccentric and vast natural gas fields of west Texas that have very high concentrations of helium, we'd be up shit's creek without a pooper scooper on this one. Fact is, we can lord over other countries that require helium for their own purposes.

      Supplies are finite, and we're pissing it away on toy balloons. What a waste. Let 'em use hydrogen instead. Maybe they can do a Hindenburg. How's that for substituting for helium?

    19. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It blows off into space, dipfreak.

      It's lighter than anything in the atmosphere. It goes up, and the freakin "SOLAR WIND" (which for intents and purposes ammounts to photons and other itty bitty particles--some of which might be helium or other compounds being expelled from the sun) that's constantly whipping by Earth blows the shit right off the edge of space.

      There's some dumbfucker creationists around that think that since the current level of helium in the atmosphere would take something like 2 million years to generate that it's evidence that god almighty whipped the earth (and indeed the rest of the universe) up in about seven days, whereas evolutionists think the earth is around 4.3 billion years old. Puuuuh lease.

      They think that helium has to reach escape velocity, but seem to conveniantly neglect the fact that there are external forces--almost too small to measure (photon pressure and solar wind), but when you add it all up they have a whole lot of fucking energy, and it's more than enough to scrape a few hundred billion helium particles off the earth over the course of a FUCKING LONG TIME years.. Aurea Borealis, anyone? Say goodbye to that helium.

    20. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I'm new here, you insensitive clod.

    21. Re:What a waste... by bm17 · · Score: 1

      That was a great post, but I doubt anyone actually read it because you weren't logged onto the slashdot site. People who are only visiting Slashdot might not be aware that posting anonymously reduces the visibility rating that your comment it given. That's your right, but it seems like a waste, especially in this case.

    22. Re:What a waste... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      On the bright side, if we run out there's suddenly even more economic justification for mining the Moon and fusion research!

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    23. Re:What a waste... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Using hydrogen for toy balloons sounds like a great idea to me -- considering that they're pressurized to only 1 atmosphere, they can't hold enough to make too big an explosion, right? And IIRC, hydrogen burns at a relatively low temperature anyway...

      [I am not a chemist; do not try this at home; your mileage may vary, this post is distributed without even the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, etc.]

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    24. Re:What a waste... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Wow. I've never seen anyone be so passionate about helium before!

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    25. Re:What a waste... by autophile · · Score: 1
      There is only so much left in the strategic [helium] reserves.

      That's why the US Government is transitioning the Strategic Helium Reserves budget towards fighting vampires.

      --Rob

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    26. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, New Here is New Here.

    27. Re:What a waste... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      While using hydrogen is more dangerous than using helium, you would need ALOT of hydrogen to blow up your chromatograph.

      Correction, you need a lot of hydrogen AND oxygen for you chromatograph to explode. Under typical atmospheric conditions, hydrogen burns off quickly but doesn't explode. Vaporized gasoline EXPLODES!

      Helium is quite abundant in space and on the moon (scans show high concentrations of helium and helium-3). And, when we get fusion to be commercially viable, you'll have all the helium you'll ever need. In a pinch, that's we'd go to space to get it. And those sources are being constantly replenished by the solar wind. It would cost more for a while, but we wouldn't run out.

      It's great that you have strong feelings and all, but stop bringing up the Hindenburg in relation to hydrogen dangers. A good portion of the hydrogen escaped, and what did burn burnt quickly. The problem was the flammable mixture of magnesium on the hulls. That's why the Hindenburg went up like a tinder box.

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    28. Re:What a waste... by ankhank · · Score: 1

      And why is the principal source only those natural gas wells located in the American states?

      Because of the cost of electricity to provide separation by refrigeration of the helium from the other gases. The gas is on top of the oil; gas pressure helps force oil out; gas bubbles out of the oil; and after the oil's gone gas continues to be available.

      In the rest of the world, lacking easy methods for compressing and transporting the gas, the gas is "flared off" in large burners above the wells.

      You want to talk waste, look at waste.

    29. Re:What a waste... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      It's too late, they've taken over the White House.

    30. Re:What a waste... by modecx · · Score: 1

      Heh, hydrogen is great in balloons... And you'd be suprised by the boom. Take a normal balloon pop, and mutiply it by 5 or so.

      The great fun is tying a ribbon to a hydrogen balloon, say 5-8ft or so, lighting the end (ribbons burn pretty good), and let it go.

      Flies up for a while... Boom!

      Good times.

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    31. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But more importantly, are there any unexpected side effects when you breath it in?

    32. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was the original poster and, in fact, I *do* have my facts right. The Hindenburg was coated in aluminum powder paint, not magnesium, in conjunction with iron oxide, and cellulose butyrate acetate. Conjecture that the hydrogen "escaped" is without merit, as hydrogen burns with no visible flame. How would you know it "escaped" without burning when it isn't even visible?

      Hydrogen as a carrier gas in gas chromatography has a spotty history; quoting Dr. Grob at Kantonales labs in Zurich, "In the past, there have been many hydrogen explosions in GC ovens. I know of four in Switzerland." In the US, they are unheard of because the helium reserves make the gas commercially available. As for quantities- try running 1/4" packed columns, and see how much hydrogen they suck down. You can get explosive conditions off the furnace without any problem at all. This is why all modern production chromatographs have spring-loaded doors so that if explosive conditions exist, fragmentation of the chassis is less likely.

      I happen to be both an analytical chemist and a combustion chemist. Believe it or not, some /.'ers actually work with the materials they speak about.

    33. Re:What a waste... by magarity · · Score: 1

      And why is the principal source only those natural gas wells located in the American states?

      Answer: dumb freakin' luck. Might as well ask why more rubies are in southeast Asia and why oil is in the mideast.
      And thanks to the helium being principally in the USA, the Hindneberg blew up because the Germans could only get their hands on hydrogen.

  14. Mythbusters on helium balloons... by outofservice · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Mythbusters (Discovery Channel) did a segment on what it takes to get liftoff from helium balloons.

    From http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/epis ode/episode_06.html:

    So, this guy named Larry Walters attached something like 45 weather balloons to this lawn chair. One of the tethers broke on the unemployed truck driver's little invention, shooting him straight up into the air. Apparently he sailed to 16,000 feet, where he was spotted by airline pilots, eventually closing LAX airport. He was finally rescued by a helicopter after he floated out to sea. Is this popular Internet legend full of hot air? Will Jamie and Adam close LAX?


    They tried doing this, and let's just say it took a LOT of balloons to get a young girl even neutrally buoyant.
    1. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it's not a 'popular internet legend' it just became one.

      It happened in the eighties, somewhere around 97 it started to go around the internet with numerous facts changed, including ""A helicopter after he floated out to sea"

      He actually got tangled in powerlines.

      Don't these 'mythbusters' do their freaking homework? god

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    2. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They tried doing this, and let's just say it took a LOT of balloons to get a young girl even neutrally buoyant.

      You're thinking of the one where the Mythbuster assistants filled regular helium party balloons to lift a child up. That was of a myth of a child being lifted up by a carnival balloon seller handing the child his whole lot, which did take several thousand to lift her.

      The one they did with weather balloons, which are MUCH larger, took substantially less to lift Jamie. 55 to be exact.

    3. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They tried doing this, and let's just say it took a LOT of balloons to get a young girl even neutrally buoyant.

      Yeah, but those were normal-sized balloons. Larry Walters used 45 weather balloons.

    4. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by 1337+Twinkie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, it took them 3000+ baloons to levitate the little girl. Those ballons, hoever were of the average carnival variety. Also, at the time, they were testing the myth that a small child could be carried away by a large bouquet of carnival balloons, a la Mr. Bean.

      The Mysthbusters did a separate segment on "Lawnchair Lary" using large weather ballons. They also tested whether or not a pellet gun could be used to burst ballons to reduce altitude (as reported in the story). I know that they got the lawnchair off the ground (with adult pilot), but I don't remember the outcome of the pellet gun test.

    5. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy did lower himself back down by shooting the baloons. I watched it not too long ago.

    6. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by FeriteCore · · Score: 1
      Lots of little balloons. Remember that the volume (and therfore lift) of a balloon varies as the cube of the dimmension. Shape does not matter as long as you are comparing similar shapes.

      A three foot ballon has nine times the lift of a one foot balloon. A one meter balloon has nine times the lift of a 33cm balloon in the rest of the world.

      A typical party ballon is about 10 inches. An 8 foot weather ballon would have almost the same lift as 9.6**3 = 885 of those 10 inch balloons, and weigh a lot less.

    7. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by Guru2Newbie · · Score: 2, Funny
      They tried doing this, and let's just say it took a LOT of balloons to get a young girl even neutrally buoyant.

      But Pamela Sue Anderson and Anna Nicole Smith only needed four between them for a heckuva lot more buoyancy! (and if I was between them, I sure wouldn't be neutrally buoyant).

    8. Re:Mythbusters on helium balloons... by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Way back then or now?

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  15. Cluster F*#$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cluster naturally goes with the F word. And I'd be using the F word a lot on my first flight!

    Lots of latex getting dumped on the landscape; wonder if it's feasible for the ballons to be drug down by their strings to pop them and then dispose of them in a more benign manner?

  16. Drat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I misread the title and thought it said "Make Your Own Cluster Bomb!" Imagine my disappointment when I found it was talking about balloon shit.

  17. Balloon magic by a3217055 · · Score: 1

    We stopped believing in Magic, when we were 5,6,7, or even 8. But this is amazinglgy great, and news worthy, if the site did not as of yet get slashdotted the QT slide show is kick ass and well made. I wish I could do this. PS be glad these baloons are not made of hydrogen. I wisth the news monoply broadcased this information. Rock On Balkoon Man ..

  18. so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wondered in my life- more than once, if you only wanted to SLOW DOWN someone jumping off a building, say due to a flaming jet being inbetween you and the ground floor.

    how much helium/how large of a tank/baloon to produce enough lift and wind resistance to lower you to the ground with, at best, a broken leg... something between a hot air baloon and a $2.00 mylar in size, and only created to drop you at survivable impact speeds....

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    1. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
      Cool idea.

      Of course the footage from the towers would have been funny instead of horrifying (people jumping to their deaths).

    2. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The problem with jumping off a burning building isn't so much slowing down, but jumping far enough away from the building to avoid hitting it. This is similar to what base-jumpers face, as you're floating down a cross-wind can catch you and slam you back into the structure.

      I suppose you could keep a base-jumping chute in your 30th floor apartment/office and worse comes to worse, give it a try. But I imagine a cluster of helium ballons would be so bulky, you'll never be able to jump far enough from the building to avoid hitting it. I'd say best bet: strap on a base-jumping chute and sit on man-size slingshot that'll propel you up and far enough from the building to make the descent relatively safe.

    3. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buildings are pretty close in NYC. A man sized slingshot might just send you on a collision course with another building.

    4. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A man sized slingshot might just send you on a collision course with another building.

      Sounds like something from the Simpsons...

      Homer: Oh no! The building's on fire! No problemo, I'll just sit on this slingshot and fire away to safety...

      [Shot of Homer flying off and through the window of a building with the sign "World's Tallest Bed-Of-Nails Factory"... Sounds of Homer bouncing around...]

      Homer: Ow! Ow! Ow! Oooww!

    5. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      I wondered in my life- more than once, if you only wanted to SLOW DOWN someone jumping off a building,

      A balloon would be hard to lug around (all that compressed helium) and slow to inflate. But a simple parachute would not be any problem at all. You can get compact parachutes which pack down to the size of a couple of shoeboxes. The landing will be hard but it is not likely to kill you

    6. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by psykocrime · · Score: 1
      I suppose you could keep a base-jumping chute in your 30th floor apartment/office and worse comes to worse, give it a try. But I imagine a cluster of helium ballons would be so bulky, you'll never be able to jump far enough from the building to avoid hitting it. I'd say best bet: strap on a base-jumping chute and sit on man-size slingshot that'll propel you up and far enough from the building to make the descent relatively safe.

      You might also try keeping around: a shitload of static kernmantle rope, a harness, some carabiners, and a figure-eight descender.

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    7. Re:so far as oversized helium balloons go.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about drag...

      A 10 kg weight and a 100 kg weight will impact with equal velocities. Mass is not a variable. (It cancels out in the equations.) Remember the feather and hammer experiment on the moon?

  19. Hmmm... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's see, in my bedroom and garage, I've got on hand:

    * Paraglider harness
    * Reserve parachute
    * Helium
    * Balloons
    * Duct tape
    * Oxygen cylinders and masks
    * Warm clothes
    * Flight helmet
    * GPS
    * Handheld radio
    * BB gun

    And here I was wondering what to do with my weekend.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Excellent! I, too, have an open weekend. Perhaps we could meet up? In my garage and bedroom I have:

      * A large first-aid kit.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, sure we all have that kind of equipment, but this requires the additional possession of 15 to 20 friends. That discounts most everybody here on Slashdot.

    3. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be your friend. :)

    4. Re:Hmmm... by Cable_Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      What part of the world are you from? If you are from the southern U.S., let me know when you are going to attempt this. I shall sit in my front yard with popcorn. ;-)

    5. Re:Hmmm... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

      Central California. And I actually have seriously considered doing this, but the main constraint is the cost of helium. I've got maybe 200 cu ft on hand, enough to lift about 10 pounds. And that cost me about $60.

      Some day, maybe. Every time I drive by the helium tankers at work I can't help thinking about it. The Mojave desert is only a few hours away, and would make a nice launch site - assuming you coordinated with Edwards AFB first.

    6. Re:Hmmm... by Epistax · · Score: 2, Funny

      And now you know! Give out a bunch of helium-filled balloons to little kids in the big city. Get atop the highest building in the area. You'll need to use ogygen tanks for air up there and the warm clothes will come in handy. Now shoot the little kids' ballons from the top of the building. Use the radio to tell when the police are coming. Wear a flight helmet so the police can't identify you. Once they are almost on you, jump off the building utilizing a hybrid paraglider/parachute device (duct tape required). Try to drift into a heavily wooded area. Finally, use the GPS device to find your way home.

    7. Re:Hmmm... by Webmoth · · Score: 1

      The only thing that scares me is that you didn't specify where the duct tape was: the garage... or the bedroom?

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    8. Re:Hmmm... by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      you can get helium a lot cheaper if you get the canisters from a gas supply house. or, if youre going to fill an entire blimp (or this many balloons) go straight for the liquid helium tanks (they look like big outdoor propane tanks), i figured it would only take three of those to fill a blimp needing a metric ton of lift.

    9. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duct tape's not that expensive. Why not both?

  20. Three words by Thagg · · Score: 1, Informative

    Oh my god!

    This is the most magical thing I have seen in quite some time.

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    1. Re:Three words by bm17 · · Score: 1

      If you like that then there's a nice Steve Martin movie called A Simple Twist of Fate which uses this same idea.

    2. Re:Three words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you like that, then there's a [mumblejumblemumble] called [dadada].
      By posting this on the Internet, you sir, have just broken Amazon's patent.
  21. Can not go too high by asadodetira · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember in a fluid dynamic course we did some balloon calculations, and one conclusion was that baloons are unstable, as they go up, the pressure decreases, so the gas keeps expanding until it bursts. I guess this might be different with a real materials, I don't recall how you model the elastic membrane stuff.

    1. Re:Can not go too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... you could always just not fill the balloons to capacity, and account for the pressure differences ahead of time.

    2. Re:Can not go too high by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think your calculations were wrong. I remember the original event, it was all over the TV news. Also, sounding baloons are launched routinely. They rise until their expansion causes their weight to equal that of the air that they displace. They then tend to hover at that altitude until the helium leaks out.

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    3. Re:Can not go too high by windows · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're only flying as high as about 20,000 feet at the most. The pressure up there is about 500 mb. Sea level pressure is approximately 1000 mb. Consider an experiment at the surface where we inflate a balloon in a 1000 mb environment. We then keep the same temperature, but drop the pressure to 500 mb. That means for the balloon to maintain equal pressure with its surroundings, it must double in volume. That means, since volume is a three dimensional quantity that the diameter must increase by the cube root of 2. The diameter is only 1.26 times what it was before. Even at 125 mb, the balloon would only be twice its previous size.

      The 300 mb level in the atmosphere is around 32,000 feet. That's higher than the peak of Mt. Everest. Unless you brought oxygen tanks along, you would almost certainly be unconscious at that pressure. And yet in our surface experiement, at 300 mb, the balloon would only have a diameter of 1.49 times its diameter at 1000 mb.

      And if your balloon is still intact at 300 mb and you're still conscious, you'd have more to worry about than your balloon bursting. You're likely to encounter some pretty strong winds at that altitude which might make steering a bit of a challenge.

      But unless you fill your balloon almost completely full at the surface, you'd likely be unconscious before you'd see your balloon burst.

  22. Beware... by oliveaddict · · Score: 1

    Watch out for those kids with the pellet guns!

  23. Hmmmm... by d474 · · Score: 1
    'Have you ever dreamed of being carried into the sky by a giant bouquet of colorful toy balloons?'
    Hey, I thought this was a drug-free forum...
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    1. Re:Hmmmm... by gkwok · · Score: 1

      Welcome to slashdot.

  24. sounds fun! by soimless · · Score: 0

    you know what i had a com sci teacher that said that i reminded him of the lawn chair man, and he could see me doing the same thing in about ten years or so. He also added that he shouldn't of showed me this becuse i'd get the idea to do what my com sci teacher said ten years ago

  25. Oh My... by dallask · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is going to get at least ONE slashdotter killed....

    Great photos though.

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  26. pop! by Bontux · · Score: 1

    now where's my rifle....

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  27. Reminds me of the opening scene of a video game by tepples · · Score: 1

    Did anybody else see this and immediately think of Balloon Kid for Game Boy?

    1. Re:Reminds me of the opening scene of a video game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but it reminded me of Balloon Fight for the NES.

  28. Well.. by rhennigan · · Score: 1

    Looks like someone imagined a Beowulf cluster of balloons. Reading too much slashdot makes you do silly things.

    1. Re:Well.. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Looks like someone imagined a Beowulf cluster of balloons. Reading too much slashdot makes you do silly things.

      Some 3-year-old slashdot reader probably said at a birthday party: "imajun uh baywuf cwuster of bawoons!"

  29. Alternative to He by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know if you guys have such a problem with using up our He reserves you could always use hydrogen.

    There's just that problem of it spontaneously exploding...

  30. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

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  31. Oh where is my... by dark-br · · Score: 1

    slingshot!!! >:)

  32. Cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So.. what kind of processing power do you get from a 42 balloon cluster?

    1. Re:Cluster by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      So.. what kind of processing power do you get from a 42 balloon cluster?

      Really high performance. Your productivity rates will balloon! And you won't even be full of hot air (unlike your chase balloon).

  33. And then... by carcosa30 · · Score: 1

    A storm comes up. You go out of control, spinning wildly above orchards, ponds, villages.

    Picket fences. Busy highways. Powerlines.

    You wonder "Was I really that stupid?" You fall.

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  34. Helium by zoeith · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is only so much Helium around... a very valuable resource. Please use hydrogen instead if you decide to try this at home.

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    1. Re:Helium by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      Can't you produce helium in the lab? If not, from where do we get helium that is used in industry, etc.?

    2. Re:Helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Crazily enough...
      we *mine* helium.
      Most of it comes from natural gas wells, where it is trapped underground.
      Yes, I know that is incredibly bizarre, but it is also true.

    3. Re:Helium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We harvest it in the sky by collecting released balloons.

    4. Re:Helium by Big+Bob+the+Finder · · Score: 2, Informative
      Helium is produced as a function of radioactive decay in the lab (or, in larger quantities, in nuclear reactors). The quantities are not commercially viable.

      Commercial quantities of helium come out of the ground in Texas. People think the Strategic Helium Reserve was such a big joke. Except for the fact that without helium, we can't make computer chips, can't do inert gas welding, can't do a lot of science and (most important) can't make squeaky voices at kid's parties. So, the government has decided it's in the best interests of all to privatize the collection, storage, and the distribution network for what is a non-renewable, economically critical element.

      Even Wired magazine has mentioned the potential helium shortage. We'll run out eventually. The American Chemical Society puts it at around 2015. That's not good. The spring of 2002, there was enough of a shortage that the distributors of air products had to clamp down on helium- there was rationing for a few months. And the government's concept is to *privatize* it. Wonderful.

    5. Re:Helium by cot · · Score: 1

      While Helium is great, this is a bit of an overstatement. Other inert gases like Argon can be used for welding, though He is better in cases like welding nonferrous metals.

      As a lifting gas, H2 from electrolysis will always be available, but the flammable aspect of it would make it less than ideal for balloons at parties. It's irreplacable in applications like cryogenics, however, and this applies to both 4He and the rarer 3He.

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    6. Re:Helium by zoeith · · Score: 1

      Thank You Big Bob! I wasn't trying to be funny. Bob got it right. Helium is important!

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  35. WWW with AUDIO of Larry Walters Flying. by Nikkodemus · · Score: 1

    This site seems to be the most comprehensive. http://www.markbarry.xom/ There's audio available and pictures of Larry Walters pre-flight (sitting in chair..) Photos of the chair now recovered, some twenty odd years after the flight.

  36. Big F'ing deal by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    So he messed with air traffic. That's nothing. I heard about a kid who started a nuclear war with fewer than 100 red balloons.

    1. Re:Big F'ing deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was this kid a female with unshaven armpits?

      Amazon Music Link

    2. Re:Big F'ing deal by and+by · · Score: 1

      Nein und neinzug to be precise (pardon the spelling, I haven't taken German in a while)

    3. Re:Big F'ing deal by hazem · · Score: 1

      Wow! I had no idea that song was about a kid almost starting a nuclear war. I just thought it was a silly European song about balloons - those Europeans will make songs about anything, you know!

    4. Re:Big F'ing deal by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The lyric "This is what we've waited for; this is it boys -- this is war!" didn't clue you in?

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  37. you're better off with these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a look here: fabric tubes, cables, etc. Jumping is too dangerous: updrafts, wind, etc.

  38. Let's run some numbers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a cool idea! Well, let's see how big a balloon you'd need.

    There are two forces helping to slow you down: buoyancy and drag. Buoyancy is volume * difference in density between helium and air * gravity. If R is in meters, that's 0.045 R^3 Newtons of force.

    Drag for a sphere falling turbulently has Cd~1, which is drag/(1/2 density velocity^2 area). So drag is about 0.002 R^2 velocity^2.

    Say you want to slow down a 100 Kg (~220 lb) adult man to 1 m/s. That's 980 N of force, steady state. So you'd need a balloon of about 28m radius, or 180 feet in diameter! Good grief, that's huge. Assuming I didn't mess up my numbers, which I probably did. :P Anybody care to check?

    1. Re:Let's run some numbers! by Council · · Score: 2, Informative

      wrong. a) if you want velocities that slow, for most of your flight you're gonna be going even slower than your landing so ignore drag for now. You need to figure out the size of the balloon to provide a force resisting gravity for your dude. Helium will give a lift of something like 1.13 kg/m^3 around sea level at stp (iirc, my little bro asked me when he was building a balloon). So do some math, what radius gives you (1.13)(4/3)pi*r^3=100? Something around 2.5 I guess. If your radius is much bigger than 2.5 meters you'll float away. Now, if you get down to say 1.3 meters, where (again just by estimating) you'd have like half the bouyancy force, you're still talking about high impact speeds. You need to get pretty close to neutral weight if you wanna not hit hard. 1m/s is pretty slow, you can handle an impact of maybe 7m/s without broken bones too much, that's the highest I've fallen from. But 12m/s is the point where the fall is more likely fatal than not, a height of about 7m.

      Anyway to summarize, you need to get down to a speed where drag force is negligable so ignore that. You need a balloon radius that gets your effective weight pretty close to 0, then go a little smaller but not too much. You get an upper limit on size by solving (1.13)(4/3)pi*r^3=mass, and the balloon size will be between 2 and 3 meters.

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  39. Safety by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the Site:
    Latex balloon clusters have been flown as high as 20,000 feet; however, for a recreational flight, a maximum altitude of 3,000 - 5,000 feet is more common.

    From a BASE Jump site:
    The safety margin in a normal free fall exercise is 800 metres (~2600 feet), the minimum height at which a jumper may deploy the chute safely

    So basically if something farks up, your really farked.

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    1. Re:Safety by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Every balloon would have to pop or come detached in order for the you to count as "free fall". You'd presumably attach the balloons to several different points, so that even if half of the balloons fail, you only accelerate at half gravity. You have a lot more time before descent, so you can safely use a parachute.

      Although you may not even need to; the balloons are already allowing you to go pretty slowly. If half the balloons fell off, you'd land at about 70% the speed you would if you were in freefall from that height. If only a reasonable number fail, you may be okay.

    2. Re:Safety by gress · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly civilian skydivers have a minimum exit height on the main chute of 1500-1800 feet. Emergency openers deploy the reserve chute as low as 750 feet. I can see no problem using a parachute as a safety device, though it will be difficult cutting away from the balloons, too avoid creating a parachute/balloon mess over your head.

    3. Re:Safety by CvD · · Score: 2, Informative

      Minimum exit height for skydiving is around 2500 feet, but this is not recommended. We regularly jump from 3500 feet. No problem there, you just don't get much freefall time (couple seconds). I'm not sure how fast a paragliding reserve opens, but with regular chutes you need at most a couple hundred feet to open a parachute if you're doing a 'hop & pop' where you open your chute right after leaving the plane. This would the case as well, where the pilot of the cluster would find himself descending too fast, and decides to bail out... he would basically be cutting away from a low downward velocity (not freefall speeds - 120 MPH) and immediately opening his reserve, so he would only need a couple hundred feet.

      And I don't know which base jump site you got your information from, but BASE jumpers usually jump from objects which are less than 2600 feet high. Probably the lowest object ever jumped was the Jesus statue in Rio de Janero.

      The only problem I see with his setup is the extra balloons tied to his hands and feet... The harnas will not cut those away when you are in trouble, and they could severely tangle with your reserve parachute, which is not a good thing...

    4. Re:Safety by nikolas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While normal parachutes are built to open comfortably (so skydivers dont have an acheing back after every jump), reserves are made to open rather _quickly_. A reserve can be deployed below 500m and still slow you down in time before you reach the ground.

      The CYPRES emergency opening device for example deploys at an altitude of 750ft (230m). The reserve chute still has enough time to open at that altitude.

      Skydivers have a problem that we would not have with our balloon cluster: they deploy at terminal velocity (around 180 km/h, maybe a little more), so at 500m they would only have something like 2.5 seconds left to react. With a cluster of balloons, ideally your initial vertical speed will be a lot lower.

    5. Re:Safety by pcraven · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a balloon pilot, and get questions like this a lot. Balloons don't fail at altitude. If you have a problem, it is because you hit power lines, a tower, etc. 99% of problems with balloons occur within 100 feet of the ground.

      Also, maximum descent for a hot air balloon is the same as a military parachute. So using a parachute would be kind of pointless.

      I only know of one cases of balloons failing at altitude. It was a mid-air collision between balloons. Even then, the pilot survived. A streamering balloon slowed him down just enough.

      Actually, balloons are pretty safe. They can take a lot more damage than any other aircraft I know of and still get you down to the ground ok.

  40. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's something for the extreme sporters; ballonfight in reallife.

  41. Gonzo beat him to it by hobbsbutcher · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else think of Gonzo from The Muppet Movie?

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  42. What amazes me... by uradu · · Score: 1

    ...is just how many people all over the US this guy has suckered into spending the wee hours of the morning inflating balloons, just for him alone to get his kicks. He must be a really smooth talker.

    1. Re:What amazes me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, John is a pleasant, fairly quiet guy. Anything but slick.

      I was part of the ground crew on his flight in New Hampshire this summer. The inflation crew usually consists of a couple of other balloon pilots (such as myself) who coordinate the work of a larger group of one-time volunteers. For the flight I helped with, the group came from the local Lion's club that was sponsoring the balloon festival where John was flying.

      If you get a chance, I'd suggest going to see a flight. It's such a simple idea. Keep strapping on balloon until you just float away. It's just SO COOL to watch.

  43. Only so much around? by nathan+s · · Score: 1

    Hm...the volume of the sun is something like 1,000,000 earths and the sun is composed of about 27% helium by mass, so it seems to me that there's about 270,000 Earth-fulls of helium waiting to be picked up.

    Now:
    1. Drive Earth over to the sun
    2. Collect helium
    3. PROFIT!!!!

    Oh...wait...there's the little matter of the temperature being millions of degrees... :-(

  44. That's how weather balloons are done by wasted · · Score: 1

    Weather balloons are only inflated enough to lift a given weight. (A 1000 gram balloon is inflated enough to lift 1000 grams, for instance.) The balloon is about a couple of meters in diameter (for a 1000 gram balloon,) at that point at sea level. Once released, the balloon expands as pressure drops with altitude. 1000 gram balloons often get to altitudes where the pressure is less than 1% of the lauch pressure, so the volume would be more than 100 times lauch volume.

  45. Warballooning? by kinema · · Score: 2, Funny

    We've seen wardriving, warflying, warboating I think the obvious next step is warballooning.

  46. Try this AT HOME! by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kids, don't try this at home
    On the contrary, if you want to try this, do it at home... that way you won't find yourself floating at 16,000 feet unless you have an exceptionally weak roof.

  47. Is he susceptible to a lightening strike? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    I read somewhere that 10% or less of lightening actually strikes the ground; most is within clouds itself.

    Aircraft have metal skins, so I think the passengers in them are protected from such strikes.

    Does this guy have any protection besides not going out on an overcase day? I imagine he would be more conductive than moist air, so his body would be in preferred over air as the path of a nearby lightening bolt. I guess one mitigation is if he wore some sore of conductive clothing.

    1. Re:Is he susceptible to a lightening strike? by havarv · · Score: 1

      Like most pilots he will probably try to avoid going into a thunderstorm. Thunderstorms are characterized by strong turbulence, which is not a fun place to be. Especially if you are flying something with as low maneuverability as a balloon cluster.

    2. Re:Is he susceptible to a lightening strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose that a helium balloon does have something to do with lightening. However, I imagine that a balloonist should be concerned about lightning, too.

    3. Re:Is he susceptible to a lightening strike? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      > a balloonist should be concerned about lightning, too.

      Thanks for the correction. :)

    4. Re:Is he susceptible to a lightening strike? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      I rememer reading about a person who worked in a high voltage testing facility. They would wear a chainmail-type suit made of metal and approach an electrode whose potential was at millions of volts above their own. Even before they touched the electrode, it would arc spectacularly. However, the person in the suit was not harmed since the current went through the metal suit.

      I'd imagine something similar might be required for absolute lightning safety on such trips. After all, it is possible for thunderstorms to gather before the guy has a change to navigate to a safer area or altitude.

  48. Grandma's feather bed... by HermanAB · · Score: 1
    It was made from the feathers of fortyleven geese.

    50-150, 4-7, there is a connection here I think, but I don't have enough toes to count on and figure this out..."

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  49. The concept is right, but some of your math is not by expro · · Score: 2, Informative

    A one meter/three foot balloon has 27 times the lift of a 33 cm/one foot balloon, etc.

  50. Except hydrogen is reactive by Zen+Programmer · · Score: 1

    Hydrogen is a peasant, while helium is a member of the nobility.

  51. Official "Lawn Chair Pilot" site by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go here to get the full skinny on the REAL lawn chair pilot, complete with streaming audio, pictures, maps, the works.

    It was on Art Bell a few years ago....

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  52. Anyone else think A-Team? by zardoz342 · · Score: 1

    I recall an A-Team episode where they escaped prison using hot air in trash bags. I was very young at the time, but I've always wanted to attempt this, but the cost of the weather ballons in Edmond Scientific were nothing compared to the cost of the He.

    1. Re:Anyone else think A-Team? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Of course! You're referring to "Pros and Cons" which first aired on the 8th of February, in 1983.

      Oh damn. I think I've just been 80s geek checked.

    2. Re:Anyone else think A-Team? by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      With balsa wood, light trash bags, straws, and a small candle (with a wind block) a garbage bag can be caused to float like a hot air balloon.

      I doubt a person could be carried, but self-heating setup can get off the ground.

  53. present by girlarmy · · Score: 1

    This would be the best present ever for any occasion.

    What an awesome event. I am breathless looking at pictures from the ground!

  54. So you're saying we need something more efficient? by EvilMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

    (Just kidding)

  55. Oh the humanity! by bm17 · · Score: 1

    Hydrogen is far too volatile for most of the Helium applications. Helium has a complete valence shell and reacts with nothing, which is the point.

  56. Can't Take It With You? Maybe You Can! by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > This is going to get at least ONE slashdotter killed....
    >
    >Great photos though.

    What, the photos on the site, or the photos and video our soon-to-be-deceased Slashdotter will be streaming back to his webserver as he falls screaming to his death, practically guaranteeing a simultaneous appearance on both Slashdot and Fark.

    Hmm, a late-model ruggedized laptop equipped with wireless and a dozen pringles cans to guarantee that at least one Starbucks is at range after the crash... it'll survive the impact, but nothing will survive a Slashfarking. You can take it with you!

    (I mean, think of the Afterlife. Oh, sure, you might go to the place where Tux gives everyone an iPod and a rack or two from ACSI Ultraviolet, but what if you wind up in the Other Place, with that chubby guy condemned to jump around and yell "Developers" for all eternity? Wouldn't you want to have at least one of your own servers with you?)

  57. watercraft too by tacokill · · Score: 1

    Thats how it is for boats as well. A boat under sail will have right of way over a boat under motor because it's harder for to manuever.

    1. Re:watercraft too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A boat under sail will have right of way over a boat under motor because it's harder for [it] to manuever.

      If both vessels are roughly the same size, this is the case. Then there are what are known as "tonnage rights." In other words, an ocean liner, though under motor power, is more difficult and takes longer to turn than a smaller vessel under sail, and therefore the smaller vessel would be expected to yield right-of-way.

  58. Imagine .. by 2mcm · · Score: 0

    a beowulf cluster of these !

  59. Answering his question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Have you ever dreamed of being carried into the sky by a giant bouquet of colorful toy balloons?"

    No.

  60. Inflation. by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

    "Special hoses and manifolds are used to inflate the balloons to the desired size, based on the volume of the helium tanks."

    So, if you ever ride on one of these things--make sure you ask to fill with the sized-huge tanks and not the handhelds, or you're in for a new world of hurt.

    Or maybe you should just see if they'll throw the entire tank in there. ;)

  61. Pigs can fly X-Prize by La+Gris · · Score: 1

    I am sure I can win the super X-Prize when pigs can fly.

    How many of these colourfull helium filled baloons do I need to make a pig fly ?

    Alternatively it should be nice attaching enough of these to a cow. (don't do this in India).

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  62. Clusters??? by Sl4shd0t0rg · · Score: 0

    But do these clusters run Linux?

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  65. Jem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is anyone else reminded of Frederik Pohl's Jem?

    http://www.sfsite.com/lists/orion02.htm

  66. Balloons for ADS by totaldis · · Score: 0

    Does anyone have a link for a manufacturer of said balloons. I have friend with a problem with local code enforcements when it comes to advertising along the street. I'm wondering if after a certain height they lose their jurisdiction to regulate ADs. If this is the case I would like to get a few of these balloons and hoist a sign up in the air. Also if someone is in code enforcement and would know about Florida state law behind it, I would appreciate it.
    Suggestions...

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  67. following in the steps of... by silid · · Score: 0

    Winnie the Pooh was of course the first to achieve this remarkable feat. He did it in the first half of the 19th century.

  68. "Sendung mit der Maus" by Thilo2 · · Score: 1

    This news item reminds me of an old episode from "Sendung mit der Maus", a german TV show for children, (and adults!) where they did just that: send a man into the air carried by Helium balloons, and that already a looong time ago judging from the age of "Ballonfahren" at http://www.wdrmaus.de/sachgeschichten/a_bis_z.phtm l?bstb=b already in 1988 ... man, was I really 3 years old when I watched this?

    Nevertheless, the story can be bought here on VHS tape: http://www.bibliothek-der-sachgeschichten.de/shopi t/csc_article_details.php?nPos=0&saArticle[ID]=19& VID=8ULAevBSjJPnRBRL&saSearch[word]=&saSearch[cate gory]=F&saSearch[special]=

    "Can a fully grown man fly with normal balloons for children as you know them from the parish fair? If possible, how many balloons would it take? We just tried it out..."

  69. Ack! FrontPage! by spdt · · Score: 1

    Can't... look..... must... just... read... comments... instead...

  70. Clarke had this figured out! by avisolo · · Score: 1

    From an interview with Clarke: http://www.kinetikonpictures.com/books/texts/clark e.htm "[later, after Clarke takes a nap] ACC: I had a chance to think, before I went to sleep, and I had an interesting idea. You know my problem with walking around now? If you had a reasonable-sized balloon it could give you some useful lift, you see? MB: That's true. ACC: About a thousand cubic feet could give you about a hundred pounds of lift. That means a balloon by ten feet by ten feet by ten feet. That means a balloon that's big, but not ridiculous. So I think when we get back I'll get one of my ballooning friends to look into this. MB: Well, what about if there's a wind? ACC: That's exactly what I thought of too, and you'd be in trouble. And of course if I had more than a thousand cubic feet the air force would have to shoot me down! [laughs] But it would be fun to do it indoors, in an arena or something. It would be a good sport, I'm surprised it hasn't been done. MB: Yeah, you could moon-walk! Bounce around. ACC: Exactly. A sixth of a G [Earth gravity]. That would be nice. MB: That's a good idea, you should immediately patent that one! ACC: I don't think it's patentable. MB: You could have a new sport. New sports, in fact. ACC: I'm very fond of quoting someone who said that a patent is merely a license to be sued! [laughs]"
    Helium Balloon Patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT O1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm &r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,325,329.WKU.&OS=PN/6,325,329&RS =PN/6,325,329> Parabounce: http://www.parabounce.com/

  71. Andrey Rublev Ballon flight sequence by avisolo · · Score: 1

    Tarkovsky's masterpiece has an opening sequence of a medieval balloon flight attempt! http://207.136.67.23/film/Reviews/andrei_rublev.ht m

  72. No. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Why?

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  73. Liquid Ballast by KnarfO · · Score: 1

    ...invented by the guy who dropped his last sandbag and realized he was still falling too fast!

    "Thank God for incontinence!"

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