meh, maybe it's not the point. I've long said that things like RedHat, Mandrake and SuSe are easier to install than Win2K (and that's not for me - mr l33t haX0r who obviously doesn't know anything about real people - myself, I like Gentoo's install the most - clean and powerful). And whatever else, their installs are friendlier looking and less intimidating. Why is everyone so hung up on this install thing anyway? It's not like MS are trumpeting their install being the best thing ever; it's not like anyone in the target audience actually has to install it; and it's not like any OS that people have to install themselves will ever be popular with the so called "masses"
oh yeah, the biggest thing most people complain about with gnu/linux installs is package selection - well MS certainly found an elegant solution to that problem.:)
wtf? this always gets on my tits - why does everybody seem to think that all the rest of the world (except for them, of course) has to spend their every waking moment doing whatever will bring the absolute most benefit to humanity? With all the problems that face society today, you are sitting on your ass posting to slashdot. I mean, really.
From what I understand, the Human Genome, though it represents a massive amount of data, is also highly redundant with huge sectons of 'legacy code' that doesn't seem to have any function or purpose.
The actual genetic code is not much at all - roughly 3 billion base-pairs, considering you only need two bits for a basepair, you can fit the whole thing on a CD. When they say that things are "redundant" or "legacy" what they really mean is that they have no idea what is going on - contrary to what some people will have you believe, very little (comparitevly) is known about the genome.
I'd be interested in knowing approximately how much actual information is functional in numerical terms. If one knew that, one could say exactly how much data it takes to create a human being.
Like I said, the actual genetic code is very small (~750 MB), the next level of complexity is annotation on some of its function and variation (essential to any sort of understanding of what it does) and this amount of data isn't a set size, we (a small biotech) have roundabout a terabyte of it, Celera has 100TB
The real complexity with humans starts around the protein stage, and proteomics is far younger than genomics. Once we start studying/simulating biological processes on the cell-wide scale, then we'll get into the astronomical numbers for storage and computing power, which will see use for "atomic scale" technologies.
Anyway, with humans it's not really the number of bits packed into small spaces that's impressive, it's the amount of information packed into those bits.
yeh, that would explain why I don't know it. oh, and baseball is about as much America's favourite pass time as RIAA is there to represent artists' interests;)
there are also hundreds of replies which boil down to several dozen solutions which fit all of his requirements. we are helping, but we are not going to cry about her disease for a week, if that's what you looking for.
btw, never heard/. being referred to as a "helpful" community (even supposedly) before - some people just get lucky.
to recapitulate - fuck off, you misguided arbiter of political correctness, with your lame attempts to baselessly elevate yourself above the rest of/.ers
equivalent to storing the contents of 7,800 DVDs in one square inch of material
sure it's a lot, but this is the limit for some time to come... I guess I was just expecting more from something on atomic scale.
btw, 7,800, DVDs? come on, most people on here are literate, why not post some power of ten of bytes? btw, do I need to start with my explanation of how pointless measuring things in LoCs and HGs is yet, or wait till more of those are posted? (every damn time that storage comes up)
on the other hand, this is a lot of space... guess pretty soon I'll just have discs labeled "Music", "Video", "Software" where the title does in fact mean all music that exists:) just don't tell [RI|MP]AA (actually, can we just call the RiMpa from now on? kind of has a nice ring to it)
why can't they step in and front some cash and open up blender.
because they don't need to - the fund has been going for just a few weeks, they are up to 68K right now, 100K is absolutely no problem. and hey, I just kicked in my $75, screw RedHat, we don't need them for this.:)
And of course there's the possibility I have an over-active imagination.
combined with a lack of scientific insight. sorry, I'm feeling blunt, but this thread is just rampant with this nonsense. btw, by 'emulate' I meant that these machines are merely designed to "behave" in ways similar to humans, this behaviour doesn't arise out of any inherent intelligence.
kind of like the difference between a human constructed out of various body parts and reanimated (a la Dr. Frankenstein) and a wax figure with joints and a couple strings attached - creating the latter doesn't mean you have to start worrying about the former.
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pah! "buy proven product. install proved product. use proven product." - am I the only one bored to tears just from thinking about this route? Slashdot route all the way! (of course we all know it would be Slackware, or maybe Gentoo, and not RedHat)
Well yeah, if you believe in god then many different things become a lot easier to answer, however in the real world, it is far from obvious that biological "machines" are the most efficient for their task (in fact, they most probably are far from it).
Two other points come to mind, one: a 150 kilo, 2 meter tall barrel with a screen is hardly "humanoid shaped" and two: the "task" of this robot is to interract with humans - what form does god suggest for that function?
A very, very, VERY long time. While GRACE is very cool and definitely a great technical accomplishment, "she" is no closer to human intelligence than a toaster. It's a robot, programmed to perform a task; the tasks are getting more elaborate and the programming more tricky (and ingenuous), but none of this gets it any closer to intelligence. We'll be able to build a robot which behaves and interacts like a convincing human, long before we have even the faintest idea of how to build one that is even remotely intelligent. Emulation is simply not the same a duplication.
As far as music and movies go, it seems intelligence is no longer required to create those anyway.
um, you can't expect the actual textures to look better just because they are shown with better resolution (in fact, quite the opposite). the "point" is that you can run it in real time with that resolution, and make software that has high enough resolution textures and looks really good. It's kinda like bumping your monitor resolution to 1600x1200 and expecting old DOS games to look better as the result.
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oh yeah, the biggest thing most people complain about with gnu/linux installs is package selection - well MS certainly found an elegant solution to that problem. :)
eh, how often do you get the "real" CDs anymore? this "recovery" nonsense is what most people have to deal with.
yeh, I tend to go by dictionaries and not on what I hear when deciding what's a real word :)
nope, not a word - must be a "presidential vocabulary" kind of thing.
Personally, I'm happy with my PIII800/256 at work, but only because the compile times give me plenty of time to read /.
Yes, this lack of professionalism should not stand. I suggest you cancel your subscription and demand a refund.
the proper term is "annoying", not surprising.
wtf? this always gets on my tits - why does everybody seem to think that all the rest of the world (except for them, of course) has to spend their every waking moment doing whatever will bring the absolute most benefit to humanity? With all the problems that face society today, you are sitting on your ass posting to slashdot. I mean, really.
The actual genetic code is not much at all - roughly 3 billion base-pairs, considering you only need two bits for a basepair, you can fit the whole thing on a CD. When they say that things are "redundant" or "legacy" what they really mean is that they have no idea what is going on - contrary to what some people will have you believe, very little (comparitevly) is known about the genome.
I'd be interested in knowing approximately how much actual information is functional in numerical terms. If one knew that, one could say exactly how much data it takes to create a human being.
Like I said, the actual genetic code is very small (~750 MB), the next level of complexity is annotation on some of its function and variation (essential to any sort of understanding of what it does) and this amount of data isn't a set size, we (a small biotech) have roundabout a terabyte of it, Celera has 100TB
The real complexity with humans starts around the protein stage, and proteomics is far younger than genomics. Once we start studying/simulating biological processes on the cell-wide scale, then we'll get into the astronomical numbers for storage and computing power, which will see use for "atomic scale" technologies.
Anyway, with humans it's not really the number of bits packed into small spaces that's impressive, it's the amount of information packed into those bits.
(I'm betting on Flamebait, Troll and Offtopic)
btw, never heard /. being referred to as a "helpful" community (even supposedly) before - some people just get lucky.
to recapitulate - fuck off, you misguided arbiter of political correctness, with your lame attempts to baselessly elevate yourself above the rest of /.ers
yep, put me down for one of those - who the hell is Lou Gehrig? Ok, I obviously know the disease, but who is the guy himself?
sure it's a lot, but this is the limit for some time to come... I guess I was just expecting more from something on atomic scale.
btw, 7,800, DVDs? come on, most people on here are literate, why not post some power of ten of bytes? btw, do I need to start with my explanation of how pointless measuring things in LoCs and HGs is yet, or wait till more of those are posted? (every damn time that storage comes up)
on the other hand, this is a lot of space... guess pretty soon I'll just have discs labeled "Music", "Video", "Software" where the title does in fact mean all music that exists :) just don't tell [RI|MP]AA (actually, can we just call the RiMpa from now on? kind of has a nice ring to it)
because they don't need to - the fund has been going for just a few weeks, they are up to 68K right now, 100K is absolutely no problem. and hey, I just kicked in my $75, screw RedHat, we don't need them for this. :)
combined with a lack of scientific insight. sorry, I'm feeling blunt, but this thread is just rampant with this nonsense. btw, by 'emulate' I meant that these machines are merely designed to "behave" in ways similar to humans, this behaviour doesn't arise out of any inherent intelligence.
kind of like the difference between a human constructed out of various body parts and reanimated (a la Dr. Frankenstein) and a wax figure with joints and a couple strings attached - creating the latter doesn't mean you have to start worrying about the former.
pah! "buy proven product. install proved product. use proven product." - am I the only one bored to tears just from thinking about this route? Slashdot route all the way! (of course we all know it would be Slackware, or maybe Gentoo, and not RedHat)
yes, the guy doesn't seem like he wants to spend $50, and you suggest buying new servers - very clever.
Two other points come to mind, one: a 150 kilo, 2 meter tall barrel with a screen is hardly "humanoid shaped" and two: the "task" of this robot is to interract with humans - what form does god suggest for that function?
funnier than the post itself were the replies taking it seriously - (Score 10, Missing The Point)
that about describes most MS stories, doesn't it?
I don't see how that is not true.
How long before they're as intelligent as we are?
A very, very, VERY long time. While GRACE is very cool and definitely a great technical accomplishment, "she" is no closer to human intelligence than a toaster. It's a robot, programmed to perform a task; the tasks are getting more elaborate and the programming more tricky (and ingenuous), but none of this gets it any closer to intelligence. We'll be able to build a robot which behaves and interacts like a convincing human, long before we have even the faintest idea of how to build one that is even remotely intelligent. Emulation is simply not the same a duplication.
As far as music and movies go, it seems intelligence is no longer required to create those anyway.
shit, it doesn't take all that much to emulate us, does it?
geez - look around! if we can't do better than this might as well give up now.
(btw, I wouldn't worry just yet, it's not really AI, but a robot programmed for a specific task; god is safe for a few decades yet)
um, you can't expect the actual textures to look better just because they are shown with better resolution (in fact, quite the opposite). the "point" is that you can run it in real time with that resolution, and make software that has high enough resolution textures and looks really good. It's kinda like bumping your monitor resolution to 1600x1200 and expecting old DOS games to look better as the result.