But I'd settle for nothing less then the Nobel Peace Prize.
First, I don't have to provide a model, because I'm not making the claim that there is going to be catastrophic global warming. All I have to do is point to the models that the team keeps putting out and then reference reality and show that they are not happening. We can start with Michael Mann's hockey stick. Where is it? His model predicted consecutive warming year over year. Hasn't happened. That's one down, how many more to go?
The latest models have all lowered sensitivity and yet they are still running hot. Are they gonna give that peace prize back if it turns out they were wrong?
Anywhile, there is already a 'model' called orbital dynamics that plays a key role. There are also models for solar dynamics which, despite what you may have read, have not been disproven. We will get a big test of some of solar dynamics soon, as we are about to enter a protracted period of low solar activity.
And yet the people who have been to the Pacific gyre say it is mostly Asian trash. I've been to Asia and it doesn't surprise me at all. American cities are much cleaner than most Asian cities, Singapore being a notable exception.
The average American is becoming more and more of just an average person. How much more does an average American consume than a middle-class person in Europe, Japan, China or other emerging economies? In Kenyans, of course, since that appears to be the common measurement.
The caveat is you have to believe in Michael Mann's Hockey Stick. Which is going to start happening when exactly?
The Earth is heating. Has been before peeps started burning things. Now more peeps then ever are burning things and yet no hockey stick. Maybe there is no hockey stick? No hockey stick, no trillions saved. At least you can admit that the hockey stick is about as sketchy as models come. Most are running hotter than reality, some are going to start falling out of the error bars if it doesn't start really warming up.
Gnash your teeth and hope for warming, I guess. Other wise you may have to start rethinking this whole AGW thing.
Ignore the pause, ignore the missing heat, ignore the solar cycles, ignore the lack of sea level rise, ignore an arctic that is not ice free, ignore ENSO effects, ignore weather stations next to tarmacs, ignore urban heating, because they don't match the models.
Ignore the money being made, ignore the cost to society, ignore the lack of true peer review, ignore the missing data, ignore academic misconduct, ignore the denied FOI requests, ignore the emails, because that is just human nature.
When you are blind, everything is 'Nothing to see here, move along'...
Act 1: In Eastern Europe, a handful of partisans still fight SkyNet and an army of robots. It's a desperate fight and the landscape is filled with the wreckage of a former age. One group is led by Ahnuld. He's crafty and careful having lived through the worst of times. His crew look up to him as a father and would follow him into hell. Called before the supreme council, it's Eastern Europe remember, one member of his crew is denounced. It's all a ruse to get him and his group to sign up for a high-risk, end the war in Europe mission. He agrees but not before telling everyone of them 'I'll be back'. Act 2: Getting there is the hardest part. Sneaking through wrecked cities and desolate wastelands, half empty aquifers and collapsed rail tunnels, fighting and dying heroically to preserve the mission and each other, the rag tag group makes its way to... CERN. The idyllic countryside has been devastated. In its place are ruined behemoths and the rusted hulks of war machines. But SkyNet lives here, at least the part aware of the European theatre and they are there to destroy it. Act 3: Is where it really gets good. Also, there's a twist ending. Really, this movie could win awards. That's how good the ending is. Even your Mom is going to like it. I'd tell you, but it would ruin it for you. I'm doing you a favor.
The problem with the Climate Change movement is that people like James Hansen, Al Gore and Michael Mann are the most vocal proponents. None of them has ever expressed any caution and seem to always err on the side of their own arguments.
Hansen predicted huge sea level rises which failed to materialize. Mann spliced together a hockey stick which is also not matching reality. Can we at least acknowledge that both of these guys were wrong in these instances? Who exactly is the zealot here? Al Gore is just a profiteer with an extremely large carbon footprint.
The biggest argument in favor of Global Warming was the loss of sea ice. But even there nothing is unprecedented and it remains to be seen if the loss is permanent or just naturally cyclical. The only thing I am sure of is that the science is not settled.
There is a bold stance 'it is accepted in the scientific community that climate change is occurring'. So glad you could clear that up for all us Neanderthals.
That explains the 97% consensus. The remaining 3% must not get out much.
Nice quote and so apropos to the climate 'debate'. I do think that the scientific process will win out in the end (how can it lose?). I just don't think that the current bunch of 'climate' scientists are backing the right horse, that being C02 as the primary driver of global temperatures.
You don't need Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, FB if you have the Verizon Backbone that is carrying most of their traffic. It might not even be Verizon, but you get my point.
How do we get around this issue? There is a huge MitM operating here and that is scary.
If we stay on this rare planet, we are certainly doomed. It's the nicest place we know of but if we don't get off this rock, we'll probably get killed off by collision with a smaller rock. Or a super volcano... Or Mannian hot air... Or the next ice age... Or our own greed and stupidity.
My money is on the Bransons and Rutans of this world figuring out how to get us into space and someday stay for good. Once someone figures out how to survive in space, there will be thousands hot on their heels. We don't need another Earth. If we can survive long enough to get there, the only reason we'll stay is for variety, not neccessity.
There are more raw resources between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter than exist on Earth. We just need to get there.
This, plus kinnect, could be the interface of the future. Install it on the ceiling and you could project a video or keyboard on any flat surface. Never have to look for a remote again. Need a calculator, a recipe, a note pad, facebook, etc?
Or maybe it's just the pressures of reality. Ice loss this year will be about average and way above last year. Last year the artic lost ice cover due to, gasp, the weather. This year it is tracking about normal and overall thickness has actually increased.
If the warmistas can just find the missing heat, the debate would be over. But there's the rub.
Is a lie! I have 3 kids and I will not lie to them. For this time in history, I will tell them that they should do a cost-benefit analysis. If the cost of getting caught is less the the benefit, then they should at least consider it.
Bill Bellicheck won 3 Super Bowls as head coach of the Patriots and they cheated every year that they won. Things like bringing a snow blower on to the field to clear a patch for their kicker to sending spies to upcoming opponents to steal signal calls and playbooks.
Same thing with all of the PED usage in sports. If getting caught gets you a 30 day suspension but using PEDs gets you millions, then that is a pretty simple formula.
I don't like it myself, but it is the world we live in and you have to be slightly mercenary in your outlook. Morals are for arguing about afterwards.
Being able to print gun parts is a much bigger issue then YouTube yanking a video. The current push for gun control doesn't address this issue at all. It would be funny if it didn't have so many implications for society at large. Printable guns are going to happen. Printable guns will be disposable and untraceable. Why keep a gun when you can print another.
What this study boils down to is that any two groups of people will have some correlation. X number of people do thing 1. Y number of people do thing 2. The intersection of those two groups can be correlated. In San Francisco, this same logic was used to outlaw Hostess Twinkies.
Take any two people in the study and you will find that there are vast differences in physiology, personality, childhoods, etc. Al Franken did a great parody during a past election, before he became a senator, breaking down the statistics of people who answered "I don't know" to a survey question. One of the follow up questions was "Why don't you know" and there was a percentage of people who answered "Because I'm high".
The current and prior President of the United States smoked pot. The one before them didn't inhale, wink wink. I'd bet dollars to dougnuts that all three did coke at some point. To me, it is one of the greatest injustices in US history that 4 terms of PotUSes in the White House and cancer patients still can't eat a brownie.
That suggests you believe fetuses are alive. You are obviously....
Abortion is a right and the Right should just get over it. The Left won on this one. The Right should spend their time and money on providing a realistic alternative than attacking it.
These unionized workers were making much more then minimum wage.
What I don't understand is why they will be allowed to collect unemployment. They voted to not accept a new contract. How is that not the same as quitting? You don't get unemployment for quitting your job and the 5000 GCBCU members should be laughed at when they go to collect.
Non-governmental unions are weaker because the industries that they took over no longer exist or are a shadow of what they used to be. The cruise ship industry was mandated by a Democratic congress to be unionized and disappeared virtually overnight. Sure, there are still Americans working cruise liners, but they are all foreign owned.
My Grandfather worked his way into management of a steel mill. He used to tell me stories of unionized mobs lynching scabs and harrasing the families of management. It is no wonder that so many unions were infiltrated by organized crime, they weren't that much different to begin with. The steel industry survives, but mostly in the non-unionized south.
Ask yourself why there are no American cruise lines and then go look up the real cause. Unions are a 20th century artifact and no longer serve any purpose except to milk the remaining drops out of a dying cow. Every unionized industry not dependent on public support is either disappearing or already dead. Argue all you want about the noble cause of unions, but this story and a thousand others illustrate the opposite.
It is going to be a long 4 years for a lot of people, not all of whom really deserve it.
None of the things you mention are allowed in the USA. Regulations and oversight are already in place. We go out of our way to clean up sites that are overly poluted. We plant more trees than we harvest and natural forests are at record levels.
Actualy, I expect the world to look almost exactly like it does now, except with even fewer jobs and fewer people who can support themselves and their families. I also expect that CO2 is going to be found to be a very weak signal in the whole climate debate. The science in the last few years has found that there are solar forcings, orbital dynamics, planetary tidal effects and a lot of other things in play. Some denialists are only so in respect to man made global warming or that warming, of the non-runaway type like we currently are seeing, is bad.
Only with bigger screens, more memory and better performance. Unless there is a prohibitive per-unit cost, they will also be cheaper. Apple may have made a boo-boo.
And the low income earners receive multiple times that amount in services. The majority of Americans take out more then they pay in. That is one of the reasons that many of these programs are going broke. If you are a middle income earner, you might break even. If you are a high earner, then you should be patriotic, shut your mouth and keep feeding the mouth breathers.
His plan is very simple. Cut government and make it more efficient. Reduce duplication of services and programs. I believe him when he says this is what he will do. The US government is dysfunctional and everyone knows it. It is basically an imperial government without any foreign territories to prop itself up with. We have rediculous goals and programs that haven't worked despite existing since before I was born. I trust Romney to do the hard task of sorting through the layers and layers of bureaucracy that have become petty thiefdoms.
Rewriting the tax code is just a part of the plan and as has been stated many times by candidate Romney, he's not going to ram things down the gullet of the American public. He's not going to freeze out the other party for 2 years and then claim they won't work with him.
We are supposed to be a nation of laws, but Obama has spent the last 3 and half years doing very questionable actions by fiat. 3 years without passing a single budget, which they are required to have, and they have the stones to attack the Ryan budget. They talk of it as if it had been put into effect. No security in Benghazi? Ryan wanted to cut funds in his budget, his budget that never happened. Meanwhile the consulate in Italy gets fancy new electric vehicles. Nice going guys. Obama and Biden were both Senators and should know how the budget process works, but they act like they have no clue.
It's similar to the whole American Auto Industry argument. Team Obama wants everyone to think they saved GM and Chrysler and Team Romney would have let them die. But Chrysler is not even an American company anymore and GM is still facing a perilous future as a pension company that makes cars. Union takeover by fiat. Try telling Romney that a company is too big to fail and I think you will get a much different explanation of how things are supposed to work.
I'm looking forward to this election being over. My vote does not count as I am not in a battleground state, but I will respect the process and trust in my fellow citizens to make the right choice.
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But I'd settle for nothing less then the Nobel Peace Prize.
First, I don't have to provide a model, because I'm not making the claim that there is going to be catastrophic global warming. All I have to do is point to the models that the team keeps putting out and then reference reality and show that they are not happening. We can start with Michael Mann's hockey stick. Where is it? His model predicted consecutive warming year over year. Hasn't happened. That's one down, how many more to go?
The latest models have all lowered sensitivity and yet they are still running hot. Are they gonna give that peace prize back if it turns out they were wrong?
Anywhile, there is already a 'model' called orbital dynamics that plays a key role. There are also models for solar dynamics which, despite what you may have read, have not been disproven. We will get a big test of some of solar dynamics soon, as we are about to enter a protracted period of low solar activity.
And yet the people who have been to the Pacific gyre say it is mostly Asian trash. I've been to Asia and it doesn't surprise me at all. American cities are much cleaner than most Asian cities, Singapore being a notable exception.
The average American is becoming more and more of just an average person. How much more does an average American consume than a middle-class person in Europe, Japan, China or other emerging economies? In Kenyans, of course, since that appears to be the common measurement.
The caveat is you have to believe in Michael Mann's Hockey Stick. Which is going to start happening when exactly?
The Earth is heating. Has been before peeps started burning things. Now more peeps then ever are burning things and yet no hockey stick. Maybe there is no hockey stick? No hockey stick, no trillions saved. At least you can admit that the hockey stick is about as sketchy as models come. Most are running hotter than reality, some are going to start falling out of the error bars if it doesn't start really warming up.
Gnash your teeth and hope for warming, I guess. Other wise you may have to start rethinking this whole AGW thing.
Ignore the pause, ignore the missing heat, ignore the solar cycles, ignore the lack of sea level rise, ignore an arctic that is not ice free, ignore ENSO effects, ignore weather stations next to tarmacs, ignore urban heating, because they don't match the models.
Ignore the money being made, ignore the cost to society, ignore the lack of true peer review, ignore the missing data, ignore academic misconduct, ignore the denied FOI requests, ignore the emails, because that is just human nature.
When you are blind, everything is 'Nothing to see here, move along'...
Act 1:
In Eastern Europe, a handful of partisans still fight SkyNet and an army of robots. It's a desperate fight and the landscape is filled with the wreckage of a former age. One group is led by Ahnuld. He's crafty and careful having lived through the worst of times. His crew look up to him as a father and would follow him into hell.
Called before the supreme council, it's Eastern Europe remember, one member of his crew is denounced. It's all a ruse to get him and his group to sign up for a high-risk, end the war in Europe mission. He agrees but not before telling everyone of them 'I'll be back'.
Act 2:
Getting there is the hardest part. Sneaking through wrecked cities and desolate wastelands, half empty aquifers and collapsed rail tunnels, fighting and dying heroically to preserve the mission and each other, the rag tag group makes its way to... CERN. The idyllic countryside has been devastated. In its place are ruined behemoths and the rusted hulks of war machines. But SkyNet lives here, at least the part aware of the European theatre and they are there to destroy it.
Act 3:
Is where it really gets good. Also, there's a twist ending. Really, this movie could win awards. That's how good the ending is. Even your Mom is going to like it. I'd tell you, but it would ruin it for you. I'm doing you a favor.
The climate has rarely been in stasis, fool
It worked out ok in the end.
The problem with the Climate Change movement is that people like James Hansen, Al Gore and Michael Mann are the most vocal proponents. None of them has ever expressed any caution and seem to always err on the side of their own arguments.
Hansen predicted huge sea level rises which failed to materialize. Mann spliced together a hockey stick which is also not matching reality. Can we at least acknowledge that both of these guys were wrong in these instances? Who exactly is the zealot here? Al Gore is just a profiteer with an extremely large carbon footprint.
The biggest argument in favor of Global Warming was the loss of sea ice. But even there nothing is unprecedented and it remains to be seen if the loss is permanent or just naturally cyclical. The only thing I am sure of is that the science is not settled.
There is a bold stance 'it is accepted in the scientific community that climate change is occurring'. So glad you could clear that up for all us Neanderthals.
That explains the 97% consensus. The remaining 3% must not get out much.
Nice quote and so apropos to the climate 'debate'. I do think that the scientific process will win out in the end (how can it lose?). I just don't think that the current bunch of 'climate' scientists are backing the right horse, that being C02 as the primary driver of global temperatures.
97% consensus, har har.
You don't need Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, FB if you have the Verizon Backbone that is carrying most of their traffic. It might not even be Verizon, but you get my point.
How do we get around this issue? There is a huge MitM operating here and that is scary.
If we stay on this rare planet, we are certainly doomed. It's the nicest place we know of but if we don't get off this rock, we'll probably get killed off by collision with a smaller rock. Or a super volcano... Or Mannian hot air... Or the next ice age... Or our own greed and stupidity.
My money is on the Bransons and Rutans of this world figuring out how to get us into space and someday stay for good. Once someone figures out how to survive in space, there will be thousands hot on their heels. We don't need another Earth. If we can survive long enough to get there, the only reason we'll stay is for variety, not neccessity.
There are more raw resources between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter than exist on Earth. We just need to get there.
Really? Because this is from MS this is uncool?
This, plus kinnect, could be the interface of the future. Install it on the ceiling and you could project a video or keyboard on any flat surface. Never have to look for a remote again. Need a calculator, a recipe, a note pad, facebook, etc?
Or maybe it's just the pressures of reality. Ice loss this year will be about average and way above last year. Last year the artic lost ice cover due to, gasp, the weather. This year it is tracking about normal and overall thickness has actually increased.
If the warmistas can just find the missing heat, the debate would be over. But there's the rub.
Is a lie! I have 3 kids and I will not lie to them. For this time in history, I will tell them that they should do a cost-benefit analysis. If the cost of getting caught is less the the benefit, then they should at least consider it.
Bill Bellicheck won 3 Super Bowls as head coach of the Patriots and they cheated every year that they won. Things like bringing a snow blower on to the field to clear a patch for their kicker to sending spies to upcoming opponents to steal signal calls and playbooks.
Same thing with all of the PED usage in sports. If getting caught gets you a 30 day suspension but using PEDs gets you millions, then that is a pretty simple formula.
I don't like it myself, but it is the world we live in and you have to be slightly mercenary in your outlook. Morals are for arguing about afterwards.
Being able to print gun parts is a much bigger issue then YouTube yanking a video. The current push for gun control doesn't address this issue at all. It would be funny if it didn't have so many implications for society at large. Printable guns are going to happen. Printable guns will be disposable and untraceable. Why keep a gun when you can print another.
Oh Noes! Where will they ever find another place to put their videos?
YouTube is convenient, but not necessary. Anyways, as long as they don't yank the German making crossbows out of plywood, I think I'll survive.
What this study boils down to is that any two groups of people will have some correlation. X number of people do thing 1. Y number of people do thing 2. The intersection of those two groups can be correlated. In San Francisco, this same logic was used to outlaw Hostess Twinkies.
Take any two people in the study and you will find that there are vast differences in physiology, personality, childhoods, etc. Al Franken did a great parody during a past election, before he became a senator, breaking down the statistics of people who answered "I don't know" to a survey
question. One of the follow up questions was "Why don't you know" and there was a percentage of people who answered "Because I'm high".
The current and prior President of the United States smoked pot. The one before them didn't inhale, wink wink. I'd bet dollars to dougnuts that all three did coke at some point. To me, it is one of the greatest injustices in US history that 4 terms of PotUSes in the White House and cancer patients still can't eat a brownie.
That suggests you believe fetuses are alive. You are obviously....
Abortion is a right and the Right should just get over it. The Left won on this one. The Right should spend their time and money on providing a realistic alternative than attacking it.
These unionized workers were making much more then minimum wage.
What I don't understand is why they will be allowed to collect unemployment. They voted to not accept a new contract. How is that not the same as quitting? You don't get unemployment for quitting your job and the 5000 GCBCU members should be laughed at when they go to collect.
Non-governmental unions are weaker because the industries that they took over no longer exist or are a shadow of what they used to be. The cruise ship industry was mandated by a Democratic congress to be unionized and disappeared virtually overnight. Sure, there are still Americans working cruise liners, but they are all foreign owned.
My Grandfather worked his way into management of a steel mill. He used to tell me stories of unionized mobs lynching scabs and harrasing the families of management. It is no wonder that so many unions were infiltrated by organized crime, they weren't that much different to begin with. The steel industry survives, but mostly in the non-unionized south.
Ask yourself why there are no American cruise lines and then go look up the real cause. Unions are a 20th century artifact and no longer serve any purpose except to milk the remaining drops out of a dying cow. Every unionized industry not dependent on public support is either disappearing or already dead. Argue all you want about the noble cause of unions, but this story and a thousand others illustrate the opposite.
It is going to be a long 4 years for a lot of people, not all of whom really deserve it.
None of the things you mention are allowed in the USA. Regulations and oversight are already in place. We go out of our way to clean up sites that are overly poluted. We plant more trees than we harvest and natural forests are at record levels.
Actualy, I expect the world to look almost exactly like it does now, except with even fewer jobs and fewer people who can support themselves and their families. I also expect that CO2 is going to be found to be a very weak signal in the whole climate debate. The science in the last few years has found that there are solar forcings, orbital dynamics, planetary tidal effects and a lot of other things in play. Some denialists are only so in respect to man made global warming or that warming, of the non-runaway type like we currently are seeing, is bad.
Only with bigger screens, more memory and better performance. Unless there is a prohibitive per-unit cost, they will also be cheaper. Apple may have made a boo-boo.
And the low income earners receive multiple times that amount in services. The majority of Americans take out more then they pay in. That is one of the reasons that many of these programs are going broke. If you are a middle income earner, you might break even. If you are a high earner, then you should be patriotic, shut your mouth and keep feeding the mouth breathers.
His plan is very simple. Cut government and make it more efficient. Reduce duplication of services and programs. I believe him when he says this is what he will do. The US government is dysfunctional and everyone knows it. It is basically an imperial government without any foreign territories to prop itself up with. We have rediculous goals and programs that haven't worked despite existing since before I was born. I trust Romney to do the hard task of sorting through the layers and layers of bureaucracy that have become petty thiefdoms.
Rewriting the tax code is just a part of the plan and as has been stated many times by candidate Romney, he's not going to ram things down the gullet of the American public. He's not going to freeze out the other party for 2 years and then claim they won't work with him.
We are supposed to be a nation of laws, but Obama has spent the last 3 and half years doing very questionable actions by fiat. 3 years without passing a single budget, which they are required to have, and they have the stones to attack the Ryan budget. They talk of it as if it had been put into effect. No security in Benghazi? Ryan wanted to cut funds in his budget, his budget that never happened. Meanwhile the consulate in Italy gets fancy new electric vehicles. Nice going guys. Obama and Biden were both Senators and should know how the budget process works, but they act like they have no clue.
It's similar to the whole American Auto Industry argument. Team Obama wants everyone to think they saved GM and Chrysler and Team Romney would have let them die. But Chrysler is not even an American company anymore and GM is still facing a perilous future as a pension company that makes cars. Union takeover by fiat. Try telling Romney that a company is too big to fail and I think you will get a much different explanation of how things are supposed to work.
I'm looking forward to this election being over. My vote does not count as I am not in a battleground state, but I will respect the process and trust in my fellow citizens to make the right choice.