Google was mentioned as a place to get chached information, but no one drew the conclusion that it could be considered a circumvention device under the DMCA.
Scary, really, scary...when you consider that it is not the "powerful" aspects of the DMCA, but the more subtle/incidious/recurring detriments of the act/law.
What I find even more sad is that even though you consider the damage Bin Laden did, it pales to what we are doing to him. We are taking his life, his livelyhood and turning his own people, much less the whole world, against him.
Be careful what you wish for, eh? He wanted to see those towers come down, I believe was the direct quote.
So, limiting access to information in this way, well what happens when the people who need it can't get it? And the damn breaks quite literally and figuratively?
Seeing as code is free speech (for the time being) it is as simple as saying the program "produces html code which is free speech, and is a parody...which is protected as free speech as well".
Yeah, that is kind of a weasle-y way of thinking, but "eagles my fly, but weasles don't get sucked into jet engines", seems to apply.
Or, as one poster pointed out "Fight fire with fire".
stray thought for the day:
DMCA: Digital Masturbating Conusmers of America. ( if you ran it thru the pornalize would it accomplish anything?)
Ok, I'll admit I am not a l337 |-|4X0R, but seeing as the "corrupted disks" contain a player for the tracks on the computer (if I read that right) would it not be possible to correct the errors on the cd?
Exactly like the DeCSS key were obtained, in a way, one company (Xing in DeCSS's example) does not protect the keys in the app enough and one person discovers this.
Or, compare the data track to the pre-ripped mp3's for a higher quality rip (say 320K vs 128K) by using the ripping routines compared to the data extraction routines.
I'll probably wind up repeating myself (developers, developers...) but the mp3 codec is not "bad/illegal" in and of itself but it seems as if the 'use of' is being villified or "circumveted" (ins't that illegal under the DMCA?).
Sometimes I really, really wonder what the MPAA/RIAA et al hope to accomplish with these so called "technologies", but all too often it is over looked that your rights of "fair use/space/time shifting" are not at issue but the excercising of those rights are.
Trying to legislate morality, humm, deja vu, all over again.
is you have to register *whatever name* and add a *whatever name + sucks*?
Ok, I'll bite, is this included when you register a name?
"Hello, I'd like to register 'mycompanyname'"
"Ok, that is available, would you like to sucks your name as well"
"????"
Heh, and much merriment was had by all.
But on a serious note, the dude has a point:
If that weren't enough, Vivendi has even threatened the owner of VivendiUniversalSucks.com, which points to this page. Although they have no legal grounds for such a threat, they believe they can unethically bully ordinary citizens into giving up legitimate first amendment speech against them.
Yeah, I'm going to summone my powers for stating the obvious, because it it often over looked, the obvious, that is and say:
"This suprises no one".
And why, I ask, does it seem these four letter acronyms are the main perps in bullying private citizens? WIPO, MPAA, RIAA et al?
I dunno, but it seems to me that at least one citizen is not going to be a corporation's WIPO'ing boy (whipping boy).
Oh, and not to make lite of this person's plight but he hinted at the phrase "corporate ethics" which as most of us are aware is an oxymoron.
Such intellectually bankrupt decisions are even more problematic than they first appear because poor decisions serve as precedents that enable more and poorer rulings. The result is a UDRP system that has sent fairness into a death-spiral.
Quite frankly, some of these "panelists" need to go back to grade school.
Whatever happened to "First come first served?".
No, really, I'm dead serious, if a corporation thinks that they can wait years, quite literally, and claim their domanin name...fuck 'em.
McD's, and Coke, I believe did this..and lest we forget etoy and etoys. I've used etoys many times before they went away, never even visited etoy... no confusion there.
If nothing else, forget the "sucks" how about appending "sucksthebigone"...never be a typo as far as I can tell.
Anyone got a sack full of clue sticks? My arms are getting tired.
Ekrout mentioned the good thing about the Harry Potter books getting kids to read. I agree.
As someone who grew up on reading Heinlin's books,
the "Well of Souls" series, Steven King, Enders Game and "Arcade" (I think that was the title) an even Hose Farmer (good sci fi but hard to follow at times and waaay to involved occasionally).
My son did not just read them, he devoured them.
When hearing about the movie coming out (a few months ago) he asked what to do until then.
Read the books again, I suggested. He did.
Heck, I've read the Stand three times, The Once and Future King maybe 4 (never finished the last chapter first 3 times).
So, as Ed Asner used to say from waaay back when:
RIF, reading is fundamental.
Gah! I hate showing my age like that.
I can see in the future conversations with fellow geeks. "how old are you", they ask. "Old enough to know not to answer that and older than Unix", I'll probably say. "Sorry to hear that", will be the reply.
Video games DO contain some really messed up concepts.
Yeah, I was thinking hey why don't we do this:
Make a Quake 3.1 and have the following:
No health, but "karma" points.
You are not longer shooting, but moderating your opponents.
machine/shot gun are mod points.
rocket launcher is a retort launcher.
grenade launcher is flamebait poster.
rail gun is pointed argument poster.
BFG is metamoderation.
Lava is now "red tape"
Quad damage is now Multiple owies.
Regeneration is 'Nap time'
Invisibility is "speak when spoken to"
And, all opponents never die they just get put into time out until they can play nice with the other players.
It has been pointed out (I forget where) that windows master cd's are made on a unix station.
Hotmail was and still is unix windows dressing 2000 on the front end, *if* I am not mistaken.
Address these or the settlement is worthless:
1) Bootloader and OEM contracts. NO more, ever.
2) *IF* windows is requested to be loaded on an OEM box...let the consumer choose which.
3) Enough of this fscking upgrade treadmill, all versions of windows should be supported for a *mandatory 10 years*, including patches, bugfixes and drivers for the latest hardware.
4) Anyone who can produce a cd of whatever version of windows they have/had and runs another OS, Microsoft should be *FORCED* to pay the customer back. Windows refund day, with a vengance.
5) Any vendor "wronged thru contracts" should be allowed to find out what other OEM's payed and get money back for being royally screwed.
6) Knowing the 'hell' the SAMBA team goes thru with each new version of windows either:
a) Full and complete publishing of the source code to CIFS/SMB so that SAMBA can be fully integrated into a windows network quickly OR
b) have Microsoft code it for the team and submit the changes to the SAMBA team.
7) Inclued the past sins of the 1995 consent decree and allow the "de-integration" or outright *removal* of Outlook, Internet Explorer, Windows media player, whatever their IM client is (anything I missed?)...not removal from the add/remove panel, or the Oulook-sneak where it just get rid of the icons and leave the entire exe and other files behind. REMOVE the wholed damn thing, exe's and dll's that are not crucial.
8) Heavy fines or non-voting stock in Novell, Redhat and/or Apple(again). And whoever else was harmed in the past 10+ years by the anticompetitive actions (ignore ineptitude of some of the competitors, or not, business decisions).
9) I'm sure there is a contract lawyer who can point out the BS of "shrink wrap" licenses, do so while we are at it, on MS's tab. Why? see #4, again, because if you can be reamed by clicking I agree, what happens if you click "I disagree", humm? Can't get a refund...sorry, don't work that way (or should not). Too many catch 22's with software if it does not work or is a digital lemon (can't make lemonaide, DMCA forbids it I am certain).
Thoughts? Suggestions? Penguin Mint(tm)?
Let's face facts, you can't change history, but you can influence the future.
Man, 3 more "steps" and it would have been a 12 step process. Heh, MA (Microsoft Anonymous).
Slashdot Mirror
Faster than a speeding packet,
More powerful than a triple Mocha,
Able to leap Full Towers in a single bound,
Look behind the window!
It's a boot disk!
No! It's a packet!
No! It's a...OOooo, shiney object!
Did anybody say "Yahoooooo"?
Oops, no wait....
well put imrdkl, well put.
DeCSS, Anarchist Cookbook, The Constitution, Steven King, fiction and non fiction alike.
I think I can safely call this kind of thinking Digital McCarthyism.
I would go further, but X-files is on now.
(how's that for a conspiracy?)
Hypothetical of course;
If the family dog urinates on your X-box because you forgot to let him out, would it be proper to call it an XP box?
(SEG)
Google was mentioned as a place to get chached information, but no one drew the conclusion that it could be considered a circumvention device under the DMCA.
Scary, really, scary...when you consider that it is not the "powerful" aspects of the DMCA, but the more subtle/incidious/recurring detriments of the act/law.
What I find even more sad is that even though you consider the damage Bin Laden did, it pales to what we are doing to him. We are taking his life, his livelyhood and turning his own people, much less the whole world, against him.
Be careful what you wish for, eh? He wanted to see those towers come down, I believe was the direct quote.
So, limiting access to information in this way, well what happens when the people who need it can't get it? And the damn breaks quite literally and figuratively?
Again, I say, be careful what you wish for.
the parody is produced by code, in code.
Seeing as code is free speech (for the time being) it is as simple as saying the program "produces html code which is free speech, and is a parody...which is protected as free speech as well".
Yeah, that is kind of a weasle-y way of thinking, but "eagles my fly, but weasles don't get sucked into jet engines", seems to apply.
Or, as one poster pointed out "Fight fire with fire".
stray thought for the day:
DMCA: Digital Masturbating Conusmers of America. ( if you ran it thru the pornalize would it accomplish anything?)
Ok, I'll admit I am not a l337 |-|4X0R, but seeing as the "corrupted disks" contain a player for the tracks on the computer (if I read that right) would it not be possible to correct the errors on the cd?
Exactly like the DeCSS key were obtained, in a way, one company (Xing in DeCSS's example) does not protect the keys in the app enough and one person discovers this.
Or, compare the data track to the pre-ripped mp3's for a higher quality rip (say 320K vs 128K) by using the ripping routines compared to the data extraction routines.
I'll probably wind up repeating myself (developers, developers...) but the mp3 codec is not "bad/illegal" in and of itself but it seems as if the 'use of' is being villified or "circumveted" (ins't that illegal under the DMCA?).
Sometimes I really, really wonder what the MPAA/RIAA et al hope to accomplish with these so called "technologies", but all too often it is over looked that your rights of "fair use/space/time shifting" are not at issue but the excercising of those rights are.
Trying to legislate morality, humm, deja vu, all over again.
bashing microsoft, I believe.
But bashing bash?
As a current tcsh user under OS X I feel the need to be Bourne again.
i wonder if there is a bashdot.org..I'll go look.
(j/k)
On-Star in the Bat Mobile?
Duh-nun-nunna-duh-nuh-nunna BAT SPAM!!!
Not to try to out irony the irony_nazi, but I think what is being said is the only way to get the PDA " 'N Sync" is to use windows.
Misery loves mediocraty, perhaps?
is you have to register *whatever name* and add a *whatever name + sucks*?
Ok, I'll bite, is this included when you register a name?
"Hello, I'd like to register 'mycompanyname'"
"Ok, that is available, would you like to sucks your name as well"
"????"
Heh, and much merriment was had by all.
But on a serious note, the dude has a point:
If that weren't enough, Vivendi has even threatened the owner of VivendiUniversalSucks.com, which points to this page. Although they have no legal grounds for such a threat, they believe they can unethically bully ordinary citizens into giving up legitimate first amendment speech against them.
Yeah, I'm going to summone my powers for stating the obvious, because it it often over looked, the obvious, that is and say:
"This suprises no one".
And why, I ask, does it seem these four letter acronyms are the main perps in bullying private citizens? WIPO, MPAA, RIAA et al?
I dunno, but it seems to me that at least one citizen is not going to be a corporation's WIPO'ing boy (whipping boy).
Oh, and not to make lite of this person's plight but he hinted at the phrase "corporate ethics" which as most of us are aware is an oxymoron.
The C word...Congress.
The D word...Democracy.
The F word...Freedom.
The H word...Help.
The S word...Sense, as in Common.
The A word...Aussie.
Please refrain from using these around children as it might adversly affect the way they percieve our world.
Thank you.
Such intellectually bankrupt decisions are even more problematic than they first appear because poor decisions serve as precedents that enable more and poorer rulings. The result is a UDRP system that has sent fairness into a death-spiral.
Quite frankly, some of these "panelists" need to go back to grade school.
Whatever happened to "First come first served?".
No, really, I'm dead serious, if a corporation thinks that they can wait years, quite literally, and claim their domanin name...fuck 'em.
McD's, and Coke, I believe did this..and lest we forget etoy and etoys. I've used etoys many times before they went away, never even visited etoy... no confusion there.
If nothing else, forget the "sucks" how about appending "sucksthebigone"...never be a typo as far as I can tell.
Anyone got a sack full of clue sticks? My arms are getting tired.
It's so unjust as to be farcical.
...The Farce is strong with this one, hummm?
Ekrout mentioned the good thing about the Harry Potter books getting kids to read. I agree.
As someone who grew up on reading Heinlin's books,
the "Well of Souls" series, Steven King, Enders Game and "Arcade" (I think that was the title) an even Hose Farmer (good sci fi but hard to follow at times and waaay to involved occasionally).
My son did not just read them, he devoured them.
When hearing about the movie coming out (a few months ago) he asked what to do until then.
Read the books again, I suggested. He did.
Heck, I've read the Stand three times, The Once and Future King maybe 4 (never finished the last chapter first 3 times).
So, as Ed Asner used to say from waaay back when:
RIF, reading is fundamental.
Gah! I hate showing my age like that.
I can see in the future conversations with fellow geeks. "how old are you", they ask. "Old enough to know not to answer that and older than Unix", I'll probably say. "Sorry to hear that", will be the reply.
Ah, well, off to check the movie listings...
Video games DO contain some really messed up concepts.
/., too much Q3...
Yeah, I was thinking hey why don't we do this:
Make a Quake 3.1 and have the following:
No health, but "karma" points.
You are not longer shooting, but moderating your opponents.
machine/shot gun are mod points.
rocket launcher is a retort launcher.
grenade launcher is flamebait poster.
rail gun is pointed argument poster.
BFG is metamoderation.
Lava is now "red tape"
Quad damage is now Multiple owies.
Regeneration is 'Nap time'
Invisibility is "speak when spoken to"
And, all opponents never die they just get put into time out until they can play nice with the other players.
I dunno, too much
oh, well, Regen^H^H^H^H Nap time.
Taco, hemos and chris, and katz ratings?
That is the scale, you decide the best to worst.
It has been pointed out (I forget where) that windows master cd's are made on a unix station.
Hotmail was and still is unix windows dressing 2000 on the front end, *if* I am not mistaken.
Address these or the settlement is worthless:
1) Bootloader and OEM contracts. NO more, ever.
2) *IF* windows is requested to be loaded on an OEM box...let the consumer choose which.
3) Enough of this fscking upgrade treadmill, all versions of windows should be supported for a *mandatory 10 years*, including patches, bugfixes and drivers for the latest hardware.
4) Anyone who can produce a cd of whatever version of windows they have/had and runs another OS, Microsoft should be *FORCED* to pay the customer back. Windows refund day, with a vengance.
5) Any vendor "wronged thru contracts" should be allowed to find out what other OEM's payed and get money back for being royally screwed.
6) Knowing the 'hell' the SAMBA team goes thru with each new version of windows either:
a) Full and complete publishing of the source code to CIFS/SMB so that SAMBA can be fully integrated into a windows network quickly OR
b) have Microsoft code it for the team and submit the changes to the SAMBA team.
7) Inclued the past sins of the 1995 consent decree and allow the "de-integration" or outright *removal* of Outlook, Internet Explorer, Windows media player, whatever their IM client is (anything I missed?)...not removal from the add/remove panel, or the Oulook-sneak where it just get rid of the icons and leave the entire exe and other files behind. REMOVE the wholed damn thing, exe's and dll's that are not crucial.
8) Heavy fines or non-voting stock in Novell, Redhat and/or Apple(again). And whoever else was harmed in the past 10+ years by the anticompetitive actions (ignore ineptitude of some of the competitors, or not, business decisions).
9) I'm sure there is a contract lawyer who can point out the BS of "shrink wrap" licenses, do so while we are at it, on MS's tab. Why? see #4, again, because if you can be reamed by clicking I agree, what happens if you click "I disagree", humm? Can't get a refund...sorry, don't work that way (or should not). Too many catch 22's with software if it does not work or is a digital lemon (can't make lemonaide, DMCA forbids it I am certain).
Thoughts? Suggestions? Penguin Mint(tm)?
Let's face facts, you can't change history, but you can influence the future.
Man, 3 more "steps" and it would have been a 12 step process. Heh, MA (Microsoft Anonymous).
Cheers,
GISboy
"Using a tractor beam to keep your souffle from falling".
"Leftovers and phasers: stun to re-heat, kill for those that bitch an moan about leftovers".
"101 tips for baking with plasma".
"cow+phaser = steak the easy way"
"Quick way to tenderize meat with this meat storage coat and book of Andoria yo momma jokes".
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Iron Chef isn't such a bad title, could have been worse, it could be titled "Leave it to Cleaver".
bork! bork! bork!
yaa-bore-kerr-ski-berr-skoo-keeedoooo!
Dude, sick and twisted.
Which is why you might appreciate this:
Asia Carrera and the Bruce Lee cgi "clone" in a porno called:
Entering The Dragon.
I'm curious as to how many of 'yall haven't played interactive fiction.
I have, but I've heard they are commonly called "wet dreams".
The fiction part is easy, it's the interaction you don't wanna know about.
Crouching Clones, Hidden Actors.
Article and Movie summation, but we'll see in 2004.
Muuuuhhhaaaaahahahah.
Not to trivialize it, but from most accounts it sounded like the "Fink dude" was in a "Funk".
He needed a break, so for however long is needed;
"Run fast, run far" and return when you are ready.