The WWE has tried boosting ratings with signings of bigger name talent, and shocking storyline moves, all to no avail. Only now they've alienated both the smarts and the live / casual fans.
There are smart fake wrestling fans? Surely that can't be.
I don't know why blind people would want to go looking at porn galleries, but they can if they want to. Autopr0n will work in every browser out there. Actually it will work in ns4, but only because I put in a server side hack to detect NS and send it a blank style sheet.
On another site I did, an entire table disappeared because of the CSS I was using. It worked perfectly in Netscape and Mozilla. And in other browsers it degraded pretty gracefully.
I have no problem with Lynx. lynx into autopr0n and see for yourself. I used a server side hack to check for Netscape 4 and send a blank stylesheet if you're using it.
The thing is, I don't need to do that for any other browser.
All these AC posts bashing NS4 have to be written my Microsoft zealots.
Well, I run microsoft software, but I don't pay for it. I have an Xbox, but only for Jet Set Radio Future, and I doubt I'll buy any more, so theoreticaly I cost 'em $100 there.
Anyway, I'm not pro, and slightly anti microsoft. But mostly I'm just anti ns4. Since your stuck with ns4, at least disable CSS.
Have you seen Mozilla boot on even an 800Mhz P3? It takes forever I run mozilla just fine on a 600mhz Duron. They also have a tool now that'll load moz when the system boots, so it seems as quick as IE. If you're using windows. And of course, windows users can use IE. On Linux you can use Galion(sp?) Konq, or Opera. Lack of system resources is not an excuse to use ns4. There are faster and better.
...You just need to have some basic knowledge of NS4 CSS bugs.
And why on earth would I want to do that? it's a complete waste of time. On one site putting CSS attributes on a table caused the table to simply not show up. Since it was the main layout table (this site used scoop, so getting rid of the layout tables would have taken forever) basically none of the site content showed up. I tried putting the table in a div, but that really screwed up the layout in IE and moz. So I basically told NS4 users to disable CSS. Do you know how annoying it was to have a lovely layout in IE/Moz, a nice one in NS1/2/3/mosaic/lynx and everything else but ns4?
On autopr0n, I detect NS4 and send a blank style sheet if they have it.
Using XHTML for simple markup and CSS for visual formatting, it's very easy to design a standards-compliant web page that renders fine in Netscape 4, without the fancy visual formatting you might see in Mozilla.
That's true. But with about 95% less work I can write a page that will display in every browser except Netscape 4 with it's broken CSS. Seriously, why should I spend time testing against a buggy implementation and looking up bugs when I could be spending my time working on the DB layer for my site, or graphics, or playing Gran Tourismo 3?
Actually, if NS4 users just killed CSS all would be ok.
Got that? Less well. If you follow what the W3C wants to the letter, people with "legacy" browsers will be screwed - people on NS 3/4 especially will see nothing but crap.
Personaly, I think people using netscape 4 should be shot. Baring that, showing them a fugly-ass page is good enough.
I do business online with my websites. Some arbitrary "standards" are irrelevant. What *is* relevant is making the best possible experience for the most possible users.
What are you talking about? Your website is butt ugly (btw, 'free pics' link is http500 - internal server error. Great customer experience there).
No, there aren't that many people using mozilla, but it doesn't take any more work to make a site that works in moz if you follow the standards. Unless you just needed to have that stupid cascading menu thing that covers the text on your page. Of course, no one with Javascript disabled will even be able to use it, and a lot of people do turn it of when surfing for porn, to avoid all the popups.
By the way, what are you talking about moz having rendering bugs? Every time I've had a rendering glitch moving from IE to moz it turned out to be because of Mozilla's more strict parsing rules (in other words, I had made a mistake and IE worked around it)
Why should designers need to program? Programming is for programmers. Designers design. There are lots of people who are both, but you can't expect good design from someone just because they are a good programmer.
Also, designing a web page hardly ever involves anything that could be called "programming". (since back-end stuff has nothing to do with how it's rendered in different browsers)
I usually design web pages using w3c documentation, but Microsoft's MSDN documentation is a lot easier to sift through for a some of dynamic things. I'll usually design using IE and then tweak it until it looks good in IE and Moz. (even when using 'cross platform' code, it still never works right in both, in my experience)
Netscape 4 users can go fuck themselves, though. Seriously.
Of course, if you really just want low cost, Old PCs or laptops (to get low power consumption) would probably be a better bet. I use an old 200mhz P1 for my linux mail server, and it has more ram then the ps2:P
Are you saying that sending people to the moon is more important then feeding starving Americans?
I mean, are you saying that the Space Program should be the no 1 responsibility of the US government? That we should have taxed the nation for billions of dollars for the sole purpose sending people into space?
All you have to do is write a work-alike rom that does the same things as the apple one. And since this is mostly being done for the hell of it, and you arn't limited by hardware you can make it as big and slow as you'd like.
You can also patch diffrent versions of the OS to run without the ROM if you want to. Or you can use a combination of the two methods (for example, taking out any verification code in the OS to make sure it's running with a genuine apple ROM)
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Then how do we explain all the people with less education buying premium computers from Compaq and Dell?
Why should they have to explain something you just made up?
I wasn't aware you could do that. Next time I'll do it that way.
The WWE has tried boosting ratings with signings of bigger name talent, and shocking storyline moves, all to no avail. Only now they've alienated both the smarts and the live / casual fans.
There are smart fake wrestling fans? Surely that can't be.
Since when is HTML programming?
why should artists know how to paint. they should merely describe their vision to a painter!
Why should an architect know how to operate a crane? They should merely describe their vision to a construction worker
Oh wait, that's completely sensible.
There are tons of great modern browsers for Unix out there. Moz, Konq, Opera. It's not that hard.
I don't know why blind people would want to go looking at porn galleries, but they can if they want to. Autopr0n will work in every browser out there. Actually it will work in ns4, but only because I put in a server side hack to detect NS and send it a blank style sheet.
On another site I did, an entire table disappeared because of the CSS I was using. It worked perfectly in Netscape and Mozilla. And in other browsers it degraded pretty gracefully.
I have no problem with Lynx. lynx into autopr0n and see for yourself. I used a server side hack to check for Netscape 4 and send a blank stylesheet if you're using it.
The thing is, I don't need to do that for any other browser.
All these AC posts bashing NS4 have to be written my Microsoft zealots.
Well, I run microsoft software, but I don't pay for it. I have an Xbox, but only for Jet Set Radio Future, and I doubt I'll buy any more, so theoreticaly I cost 'em $100 there.
Anyway, I'm not pro, and slightly anti microsoft. But mostly I'm just anti ns4. Since your stuck with ns4, at least disable CSS.
Now try it with 128MB of RAM
The diffrence between 128mb and 512mb of ram is $46....
Have you seen Mozilla boot on even an 800Mhz P3? It takes forever
...You just need to have some basic knowledge of NS4 CSS bugs.
I run mozilla just fine on a 600mhz Duron. They also have a tool now that'll load moz when the system boots, so it seems as quick as IE. If you're using windows. And of course, windows users can use IE. On Linux you can use Galion(sp?) Konq, or Opera. Lack of system resources is not an excuse to use ns4. There are faster and better.
And why on earth would I want to do that? it's a complete waste of time. On one site putting CSS attributes on a table caused the table to simply not show up. Since it was the main layout table (this site used scoop, so getting rid of the layout tables would have taken forever) basically none of the site content showed up. I tried putting the table in a div, but that really screwed up the layout in IE and moz. So I basically told NS4 users to disable CSS. Do you know how annoying it was to have a lovely layout in IE/Moz, a nice one in NS1/2/3/mosaic/lynx and everything else but ns4?
On autopr0n, I detect NS4 and send a blank style sheet if they have it.
Using XHTML for simple markup and CSS for visual formatting, it's very easy to design a standards-compliant web page that renders fine in Netscape 4, without the fancy visual formatting you might see in Mozilla.
That's true. But with about 95% less work I can write a page that will display in every browser except Netscape 4 with it's broken CSS. Seriously, why should I spend time testing against a buggy implementation and looking up bugs when I could be spending my time working on the DB layer for my site, or graphics, or playing Gran Tourismo 3? Actually, if NS4 users just killed CSS all would be ok.
I think someone just took a year or two year old artical, punched it up a bit, and sold it to news.com.
Got that? Less well. If you follow what the W3C wants to the letter, people with "legacy" browsers will be screwed - people on NS 3/4 especially will see nothing but crap.
Personaly, I think people using netscape 4 should be shot. Baring that, showing them a fugly-ass page is good enough.
I do business online with my websites. Some arbitrary "standards" are irrelevant. What *is* relevant is making the best possible experience for the most possible users.
What are you talking about? Your website is butt ugly (btw, 'free pics' link is http500 - internal server error. Great customer experience there).
No, there aren't that many people using mozilla, but it doesn't take any more work to make a site that works in moz if you follow the standards. Unless you just needed to have that stupid cascading menu thing that covers the text on your page. Of course, no one with Javascript disabled will even be able to use it, and a lot of people do turn it of when surfing for porn, to avoid all the popups.
By the way, what are you talking about moz having rendering bugs? Every time I've had a rendering glitch moving from IE to moz it turned out to be because of Mozilla's more strict parsing rules (in other words, I had made a mistake and IE worked around it)
Why should designers need to program? Programming is for programmers. Designers design. There are lots of people who are both, but you can't expect good design from someone just because they are a good programmer.
Also, designing a web page hardly ever involves anything that could be called "programming". (since back-end stuff has nothing to do with how it's rendered in different browsers)
Stop supporting netscape 4. Netscape four is a bane on the internet. It is black death.
The sooner users get a browser that dosn't suck, the better.
I usually design web pages using w3c documentation, but Microsoft's MSDN documentation is a lot easier to sift through for a some of dynamic things. I'll usually design using IE and then tweak it until it looks good in IE and Moz. (even when using 'cross platform' code, it still never works right in both, in my experience)
Netscape 4 users can go fuck themselves, though. Seriously.
Find me a starving American that's starving because the Government isn't providing food.
That's because the government feeds people...
Of course, if you really just want low cost, Old PCs or laptops (to get low power consumption) would probably be a better bet. I use an old 200mhz P1 for my linux mail server, and it has more ram then the ps2 :P
Now as far as coolness factor, OTOH...
Hrm, I guess I communicated that poorly. I meant 'frozen' as in 'one step lower then their normal states'
Rocket fuel is made from frozen hydrogen and oxygen. It produces water vapor. And the majority of it would be burned in space, not in the atomosphere.
Are you saying that sending people to the moon is more important then feeding starving Americans?
I mean, are you saying that the Space Program should be the no 1 responsibility of the US government? That we should have taxed the nation for billions of dollars for the sole purpose sending people into space?
It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that there are really people like this out there.
Ever heard of a company called Compaq?
All you have to do is write a work-alike rom that does the same things as the apple one. And since this is mostly being done for the hell of it, and you arn't limited by hardware you can make it as big and slow as you'd like.
You can also patch diffrent versions of the OS to run without the ROM if you want to. Or you can use a combination of the two methods (for example, taking out any verification code in the OS to make sure it's running with a genuine apple ROM)
please, this guy didn't fly "around the world". He flew a circle around the south poll. There's a pretty big diffrence.