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Spielberg Denied Crack at Star Wars
loonix_gangsta writes "The BBC is running a blurb on the disclosure of Star Wars helmsman George Lucas not allowing Spielberg to direct one of the Star Wars movies. According to Ananova Steven had actually begged George for the job."
Spielberg is on crack? It figures.
just like all us little folks.
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I've been waiting for about 12 years to see Yoda bitchslap E.T.
If Speilburg directed one of the movies even half as well as he did Minority Report, it'd be twice as good as Episodes 1 and 2 combined.
Spielberg would have at least tried to bring some dignaty back to the series! GODDAMN LUCAS! I dont want Jar Jar or Amidala in my DVD release of Ep. 4,5,6!!! DONT RUIN THIS ANYMORE!
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Lucas has a pretty impressive vision and knows eye-candy better than about any director out there. But he's a terrible writer and he doesn't know how to direct actors. He has some top notch talent in his movies and unless they break free of the crap dialogue and directive vision of what that dialogue should sound like, they are screwed. I'd give anything to have Spielberg direct with Lucas doing his thing in the background... maybe we'd have an Indiana Jones style romp for E3.
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The job was given to Britney Spears, in hopes that it would attract even more of the teen crowd. Reports say that geeks and nerds everywhere are publicly outraged at this sell-out, but secretly drooling all over their keyboards.
*drool*
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Too bad he didnt give him a shoot at it... maybe I would have went to it...
Obviously George Lucas is the one on crack and his lack of recent directorial experience is painfully apparent in the first one..
HSH
George, please look at the acting. The actors can't act worth crap. Please let me help the actors. You can do all the spaceship stuff. I just want to see a Star Wars movie where the actors seem like they aren't reading off cue cards!
Please!
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You're not the king of the world... I am!
We all know Lucas's biggest motivation is money, lots and lots of it. Doesn't he remember a little franchise known as Indiana Jones? Lucas and Spielberg teamed up on that and look, nerds and non-nerds love it. You can't find a person who doesn't like Indy. Anybody who has ever worn a fedora gets references to the movies all day long. This is a bad move by Lucas, he could've included all the merchandising he wanted (More aliens, more Fetts, etc.) and he could've made a wildly popular movie too.
Too bad he's too ego-centric to let go. Ego over money, I guess.
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I'll let the romantic lines between Anakin and Padme in AoTC speak for itself.
:)
I bet that spielberg must have laughed those lines off...
I know I did.
Why does George think he's the only one that can write/direct? Hopefully he has someone else, even more qualified that Mr. Spielberg, in mind for directing Ep3. Though I'm sure he'll do it himself. Is he the only one in the world who didn't notice how much better the ones where he had others write and direct were? Alas, even if he writes every piece of crappy dialogue and directs every cheesy block for the actors, I know I'll go see it opening week.
Liam Neeson is proof positive. He was dynamite in Schindler's List (directed by Spielberg), and wooden as a pirate's leg in Episode 1 (directed by Lucas). Lucas sucks when he has to deal with people, which is probably why he relies so much on techno whiz.
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What the article really meant was... oh, well, I don't know I'm drunk and forgot what I was about to write.
Lucas hasn't great job with Ep 1 and 2, but Spielberg carries a completely different flavour of sci-fi to Lucas. Spielberg likes to intellectualize his movies somewhat too, which might be a good idea in itself, but wouldn't fit well into Star Wars.
Also, Spielberg would surely feel the need to inject his personal vision into the SW universe. Remember watching AI? Kubrick's parts and Spielberg's parts contrasted badly with each other, especially the ending. Everybody knows what the story in Episode III will be, we just want to see how the events play out and the final holes in the story get filled in. SW definitely doesn't need new influences at this stage.
"George Lucas adamant only he is allowed to make a mess of the Star Wars series. Told Speilberg to go make his money elsewhere."
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I can only imagine what Spielberg would have done to the series. Ep 3 is supposed to be the darkest of all of the episodes. I'm sorry, but Spielberg just doesn't do dark well enough.
And I can just see him going back to the film several years after its release and replacing all of the lightsabers with walkie-talkies.
No thanks.
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So what character will Tom Hanks be then?
Yoda's long lost brother...?
Interesting timing. This week's south park is going to be about several big shot directors including george and steven, and how the boys try to stop them from ruining their own movies.
Spielberg and Lucus make up in eachother what the other lacks. They could really make an awesome movie if they worked for it. Come on Lucus, go out with a bang on Episode III.
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after sitting through AI, I have to say this increases my respect for george.
The best director for what's supposed to be the darkest Star Wars yet should be one of the darkest directors around: Peter Jackson. There's no doubting that Peter Jackson has the ability to match Lucas - and WETA could probably do a better job of the visuals too.
Lucas is where it's at. Episode 3 will blow 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 away. He just needed to get used to CGI with a couple of warm-up episodes.
Speilberg. Lucas. Star Wars. It's nice to see that Slashdot has finally posted a story that makes 50% of the trolls out there .. actually *on topic* ... Wow.
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I've actually lost some respect for Spielberg because of this. Even asking... I mean, come on! I don't care if he is a hot-shot director, it seems rude. What? Doesn't he have enough movies of his own?
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Not to be construed as flame-bait...but I can see why. I mean, if you created something, would you want someone to step in and do a better job?
I am sure it all boils down to ego, but what the hell, I wouldn't like someone coming in a doing their version of something I created, especially if (IMO) it would be better than what I could do.
But, on the other hand, a collaboration between the 2 would be awesome, George could do the wiz-bang effects, Spielburg could make the actors earn their paychecks, without them looking like wooden statues bent into shape.
A boy can dream I guess.
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Almost forgot /. crowd is geekier than I thought.
Taco, why even post this? It's not anything really important.. at all even. Either its a slow day, you made a mistake, or
Lets post a story about Spielbergs favorite porn sites next. It would just as relevent to us as this piece.
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I have always been frustrated that creators often drive their franchises/ideas into the ground or kill them when they die. I know that creators should have absolute control, but it is a shame that Star Wars will likely die with Lucas, Calvin and Hobbes will die with BW and Peanuts will die with CS. I guess the alternative may be worse than the status quo, but still, when commercial entertainment interests become part of our shared emotions/heritage the only thing that will lose is our pocket books.
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So if this is "Georges baby" then why did he use different directors and writers for Empire and Return of the Jedi? I propose, to get Starwars back on track, for George to hire the original people that helped him on the trilogy.... Lawrence Kasdan, Gary Kurtz, and Irvin Kirshner. Bring in the K's and all will be well. The Starwars TripleK Petition. We fans deserve the best movie of all time with Episode 3. SOMETHING's gotta break Titanics records.
This is the best decision that Lucus has made regarding Star Wars. The only person that could make the Star Wars series worse is Spielberg.
Episode III is supposed to one of the darkest films in the series; the fall of the Republic, the death of the Jedi, and the rise of the Empire. I do not think Spielberg is capable of making such a dark movie.
For Example: look at how he changed the ending of AI. The film would have had a much greater emotional impact if it ended with the boy sitting in the helicopter staring at the statue forever.
If Speilberg directs Episode III there will be some sort of cute and cuddily ending to it.
Let the flaming begin...
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1). Spielberg isn't the savior.
2). No one is the savior for star wars
Now, this isn't to say the second trilogy sucks. I thought ep. 1 was bearable, there were some things to change, mostly in the the promotion (c'mon, seeing darth maul break out the second blade of the lightsabre would've been way cooler if you didn't know about it ahead of time. It might have been hard to keep from "knowing" about, but we didn't need to see it in the first trailer.), and certainly there were some major issues with dialouge. Lucas didn't have any recent experience in film. He didn't know, or didn't have anyone telling him he was making bad choices. Hell in '98 we were drooling over spoilers that in retrospect killed the film. ("Full CG characters! wow! I don't know how they'll be implimented but that's cool!")
Ep. 2 made progress. But from the percieved failure of Ep. 1, no one was willing to give the movie any kind of a shake. When 1 was released, there was a devoted throng of geeks who thought they'd be "smarts" and spend weeks on end spouting off about just how bad the film was. That same contingent multiplied and said 2 marked the death of a franchiese, lucas has lost his touch, and it's all a huge mistake.
Sorry, but nothing will please the die hard of vocal Star Wars "fans" who want nothing more than to make a name by voicing their opinions. What's really sad, and what no SW geek will admit to, is the similarity between SW geeks and Internet WWE wrestling fans. After every RAW or Smackdown! there is a hard core group of fans that nit pick every blown move, every plot hole, every bit of less than logical storytelling. The result is that the WWE has begun catering to the more vocal internet fans more in their storylines. Check the ratings, the majority of the fans aren't buying it. The WWE has tried boosting ratings with signings of bigger name talent, and shocking storyline moves, all to no avail. Only now they've alienated both the smarts and the live / casual fans.
Same with Star Wars. Lucas could sign Spielberg up to direct episode 3, bring back harrison ford, sign Jet Li as the villan, and promise full frontal nude shots of Natalie Portman, but why? It probaly won't change much. The dialouge may get better with Spielberg at the helm, the story might get a little stronger and better paced, but it's not going to shut the "fans" up. The same contingent will just insert "Spielberg" into their rants instead of lucas. Hell, Francis Ford Coppola is close with lucas, let's throw him in the mix.
No matter who directs, you'll still get the same dearth of comparisions to each directors poor efforts. "Episode 3 sucked as bad as 'howard the duck' or 'always' or 'the godfather 3'" Come to think of it, Spielberg tanked out with a recent Sci Fi outing (or has 'AI' been forgotten that quickly?) and Coppola makes some pretty foul casting choices. (Can you say daddy's little girl? I thought so.) So long as the comic book guy wanna-be's have ammunition, they'll use it.
Face it. The 'net will never be happy with star wars. It was destined to be. But the bottom line doesn't lie, Star Wars is still the biggest franchiese movie out there. It's still got a strong devoted following. (I'll buy into the matrix when I see how well the film stands up to an audience that has seen bullet time and slow-mo action in every action movie made in the last two years.)
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
After seeing Attack of the Clones I almost contacted Lucas begging for the job... anything to stop that man... please stop... please...
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IMHO, the problem is that G.L. has set himself up as king and can't find anyone who will say no. Everyone in that environment probably looks up to him as a god and an icon and they don't want to say no. If you were at ILM and Lucas said to make Jar Jar, you'd do it. Hell... I know I would! All this is self-reinforcing to the point that Lucas won't allow other opinions. He's just too involved and this is his baby from start to finish. I can understand it. At least he's listening to the fans SOME, but my guess is that the prequels will go down as shit movie making with no soul and only eye Candy.
No more days of reviewing the movies 100 times because they just don't get old (with the exception of the ROTJ Ewok/Mark Hamil acting Debacle)
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I did NOT want to see Jango Fett carrying a comlink instead of a blaster rifle.
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...so he went to get crack from kubrick :)
Indeed, Spielberg has the pedigree to set *Star Wars* straight. Looking at his directorial filmography on IMDB reveals a great mix of both serious films, good sci-fi, and endearing movies that appeak to kids. That's a perfect rcipe for directing a great *Star Wars* film, whereas Lucas has gotten carried away by technology to the point of believing CG can replace plot and emotion.
Seriously, compare the use of CG in the two *Star Wars* prequels to the use of CG in *Minority Report* and the original *Jurassic Park*. Spielberg's films have plot and emotion at the center, with the CG as an important element used to bring realism to the sci-fi element--but the CG is never put before the plot and emotion. Lucas' *SW* prequels on the other hand relegate plot and emotion to the back-burner--even in *AotC* when Anakin and Padme are supposedly in love, the audience never really feels it. They have how much on screen time together again--and how much of that is taken up by screechingly corny and hackneyed cliches? Ack, what a disgrace. Even Lucas' best CG in the film is botched--the Yoda fight scene was awesome, but far too short and far less dramatic than it should have been. Remember the tension when Obi Wan fought Vader in *SW*? Remember the tension when Luke fought Vader in *RotJ*? It really wasn't there in the Yoda bout, because Lucas can't write and direct worth crap anymore.
Seriously, with Spielberg doing the directing and fixing the dialogue, and Lucas doing the special effects, future *SW* films would be truly great. As it is, we can only really hope for *better* than the two prequels so far, but probably not as good as the older films.
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This really isnt that big of a deal. Probably just some thing Speilburg said once in one of hundreads of press interviews he does a year now slashdot will blow it out of proportion.
I say let Steve direct the three episodes that George says he isn't going to do -- numbers 7 through 9. Heck -- its better than not getting them at all... and letting someone put a new twist on them at that stage might be alright.
Word game?
Not that these movies are of any real importance as an issue whatsoever, but here goes:
Despite people's misconceptions about Spielberg being a warm/fuzzy director, Lucas is not, nor has he ever been, 1/10th the director Spielberg is. Spielberg with some good writing support probably wanted to help, to try to turn the epI characters back into human beings for epII after Lucas' major pooch screw. Nobody knows what Lucas thinks - is he cashing in? Is he a megalomaniac? Who knows? Who gives a shit? All I know is the past two movies are tripe I wouldn't allow in my home to poison my DVD collection. And I really liked IV & V too, and thought VI wasn't great, but OK.
Nevermind what the fanboys think, the prequels have been fucked over by one thing -- Lucas' total control over all aspects of the project. The SW prequels are a tragedy caused by a lack of hollywood industry control & standards, not an overbearance of them. Any major studio management/production team on any other project would've seen the dailies of epI & II and demanded a change in directors, but because Lucas has the $ and carte blanche to do what he wants he never has to answer to anyone, and with his inability to write or direct simple believable dialogue he's the biggest liability to his own legacy.
Think about it -- since the first three, outside of some TV production he hadn't directed a feature film since Jedi in '83. That's 16 fucking years out of practice. So now he's a hack, and somewhere deep I think he knows it. He should've been a deeply involved producer and brought in a big-time director that knows how to direct actors instead of mainframes, who hasn't been out of the game for a generation, someone like Spielberg, for all of these prequels.
Despite the verbosity above, none of it really matters for me - to me it's just movies, give or take. But to Lucas I have to assume it's something more, that it's art, and he's actively fucking it to shit. Too bad. I guess even the best painters eventually became bad imitators of themselves, but it doesn't make it any fun to watch.
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Spielberg says tha a fourth Indiana Jones flick is on the way too.
;^)
"It's a chance for all of us to go back and feel young and act young. Harrison is going to be full of energy, as he always is."
He concluded: "It's going to be very exciting. Even though he will be 62 by the time this film comes out, Harrison hasn't lost the snap in his whip."
My wife hopes I'm full of energy and haven't lost the snap in my (ahem) whip when I'm 62 as well.
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I don't get it. Everyone else in Hollywood gets all the crack they want, but Lucas seems to think that just because he's filming Star Wars that Speilberg doesn't deserve his crack. Maybe this is why Episodes 1 and 2 sucked so much. Lucas didn't give anyone thier crack.
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After they finish the prequels, I wonder if they'll ever consider making films based on the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games.
Schindler's List.
'Nuf said.
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I don't see why George doesn't let Spielberg direct Episode 3. It seems as though Lucas doesn't even like SW all that much anymore anyway.
Okay, okay. So some of Spielberg's work is odious. As is Lucas' revisionist history. And maybe Spielberg DID give us A.I. and Gremlins.
But then again, Spielberg did also give us Amistad and Schindler's List!(!!!) Tho, I'm afraid that a Speilberg helmed SW would be far more like the former two.
But at least the guy does have some noteworthy accomplishments. What the heck have you ever done but hurl insults like "1 1z 1337, y0u 1z ph@Gg0+!!!~~~!!! ph3&|2 m3" in UT chat?
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
But at least Speilberg doesn't go overboard on the merchandising. The injection-moulded plastics industry is still trying to unload Jar Jar Binks merchandise, or at least recycle it into something useful. (You can't even sell the stuff on eBay.)
On the brighter side, Lucas cancelled plans for Episodes 7, 8, and 9.
Lucas isn't dead, and can tell spielburg if it sucks.
But spielberg did get the nod to direct the Off-Broadway musical "Petrified by Hot Grits," starring Natalie Portman and Slashdot's own Commander Taco! When reached for comment, Taco said, "Pour some hot grits down my pants!!!! Oops , I forgot to click "post anonymously!"
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After many failed attempts at spin-off sitcoms, including 'Everybody hates Jar-Jar', Jar-Jar binks reduced to pimping himself off on the streets, but was soon offered a lucrative cocaine deal. Apparently it was nothing more than a sneaky jedi mind trick, and he was later denied the coke. Speilberg later expressed sympathy towards Jar-Jar, having recently been denied Crack himself.
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Basically he's a whore. Spielberg could do better with 1/3 of the budget Lucas is spending on advertising alone. Hell, if I ever get enough money I would remake the prequels the way they should be. I also heard Lucas is not going to make the three that come after Episode Six, which makes him more of a whore. Moreover, he gave the rights to Wizards of the Coast to the Star Wars Cards game, screwing over Decipher... and Wizards of the Coast made a crappy game that was a hack. I love the Decipher game. I hate Lucas. I've said my share. :P
Stephen: But I really want to direct this movie!!
<George waves hand in a jedi like fashion>
George: This isn't the movie you are lookig for
George: Move along...
A new director would do good for SW. Think of what it did for The Empire Strikes Back, which is the best episode IMHO.
Lucas seems to have a few cliched (if I may say so) fixations on SW - A Roman like Arena in every episode; hands being cut off with light sabres; a vehicle chase and so on and so forth. While these instruments added to the Story in TESB, they tend to be the story these days. On second thought, these have been borrowed from the original SW while nothing new has been added as one would hope.
SW is fast becoming a translation of current day world to galactic terms. Since when did Jedi start saying "This is Jedi Business, every body relax" after bar brawls? Sounds too much like Police or FBI. I am sure that whatever his shortcomings, Steven Sp. can do a better job. The romance scenes from Ep II could do with a new director anyway.
And let me not get started on the script. I am sure that any sensible director would avoid too many "My young apprentice" and "You should not - we must not" stuff.
Well, there is my 2 penny worth.we'd have a lot fewer "Phantom Menaces"
Oh, wait! My bad! On reflection, all directors should have their access to crack monitored...
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The little 'slashdot wisdom spot' at the bottom of the page when I loaded this discussion was, "There will be big changes ... but you will be happy."
...but I did see Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan - and on the whole, those were optomistic films, all about the triumph of the human spirit over adversity. In SPR, all these guys, who have slogged through crap, seen their comrades blown to hell, and being stuck in a horrible situation give themselves in order to save the life of one man, so that his family can go on.
Schindler's List, well, if you didn't cry tears of pride for Oscar Schindler in that last little bit, when they bring him the ring they made, then you have no heart. The waterworks didn't really start for me until the survivors started putting stones on his grave, but that film was all about Redemption, not the Fall.
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all he has to do is knock off Lucas, and then say as his best friend Lucas would have wanted him to direct the next star wars.
Just like he did with kubrick and AI:)
in any event he might as well after seeing TPM even spielberg would be an improvement.
and no i have not seen aotc.
I know it would never happen, but I have to wonder what Tim Burton would do with ep3. If you want dark, I think he could do the job. And there's some chance that he'd even let George go wild on CG, just keep it focused... I could go for that.
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To give Speilberg some credit, he didn't direct Jurassic Park III. Someone named Joe Johnston did.
Lucas is a one trick pony while Spielberg can do it all. You have to be delusional to think Lucas is anywhere near Spielberg. It's like comparing a Corvette to a souped up Fiat.
At least not anymore. A quick scan of his resume shows outside of Star Wars, Lucas has'nt been at the helm of a film in the directors chair since 1973's American Graffiti.
29 years, with the execption of a couple trys at Star Wars can leave you a little rusty. (And in my opinion, it shows). Thats not to say that Lucas is'nt an excellent craftsman, and his contributions to the field of special effects, amoung countless other acheivements should not be discounted.
But, just because your really good and building violins does'nt mean you're the best choice to conduct a symphony.
Spielberg on the other hand has had a lot more practice wearing a directors hat (despite some unfortunate misses). His work with the late Kubric has rubbed off on him, which shows in the spactacular visual style in A.I. and the more recent minority report (albeit with some disapointing storylines).
Personally I think Spielberg's experience as a director would provide the perfect compliment to the imagination and storytelling that Lucas can put out when he's at his best. It's really a shame this won't happen.
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I don't think I would be able to stand the product placements. That is just one thing that seriously ruins his movies.
Actually, yes. This will eventually happen. "Movies", maybe not, but I expect that at some point either Lucas will Crack or Die, and we'll see a slew of horribly bad titles claiming the Star Wars name. An animated Series of Zahn's saga on the Sci-Fi channel could be good, but then, it wont be, so there.
Hey wait, this is horribly off-topic, why the hell am I posting this?
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Movies, series, whatever all ends. Well, the way Star Wars is going, it's going into the shitter. Overall, people dont like ep 1, and they hate ep2. ANd if you were around back then, you oughtta remember why Star Wars was popular. Hint: It wasnt the plot (try special fx). They just created more shows for revenue. They were just hooks to continue the first one.
Jump ahead a few years. Now we have 2 new movies which are crap. The director, along with most of your standard directors stink. They make mush of a movie that the "public will like".
Well, at least 3 of the shows were decent. Quit while you're ahead.
I'll know I'm gonna get flamebait from some fanboy. Go ahead. I know it's the truth though.
I say this.. Since Lucas used ETs in Ep.1 in the galactic senate scene. I think that Spielburg should have had an R2D2 roving trash can in Minority Report. ;) That'll teach 'em!
Spielberg is totally over-rated. For example, for all the time, money, and effort spent on it, 'A.I.' was probably the worst f-cking movie I've seen in my entire life. He's an average director with huge budgets.
There's a really fun essay called "Not Exactly A Knight" written by Susan Aronstein. I got my copy online a while ago, but since it doesn't seem to be posted anymore, here's the hard-copy reference instead. [Aronstein, Susan. (Summer 1995). "'Not Exactly a Knight': Arthurian Narrative and Recuperative Politics in the Indiana Jones Trilogy." Cinema Journal].
A couple of interesting quotes to give the flavor of the piece:
Temple of Doom
In Temple, Indiana appears as an individual, a knight without a court, whose services are for sale in two currencies, the monetary currency offered by Lao Che and that of "fortune and glory" found in the quest for the Ankara stones. This Indiana, far from being the ideal subject, is adamantly nonconstructed, dangerously individual. His sole ideology seems to be the one he reminds Lao Che of as he presses his knife into Willie's side: "anything goes," a code that leads to the chaos of the opening vignette. This vignette shows Indiana for what he is -- a mercenary out for his own gain, uninterested in "right" and uncontrolled by any sort of chivalric or cultural code, as evidenced by his treatment of Willie. The Temple of Doom is an Arthurian romance without Arthur and without a court; the story of an uncontrolled knight, like the Red Knight of Chretien's Perceval, bashing other knights, of a knight, like Perceval, in need of a court.
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Yet, as the film explicitly identifies Marian with the various "objects" that Indiana must acquire, the two plots merge in the film's exposition of its thematic center: the need for Indiana to change his attitude toward the "objects" he seeks and accept his cultural responsibility as a citizen of a vindicated and privileged moral authority. In the beginning of the film, his attitude toward both the ark and Marian is that of a plunderer, a careless acquirer of objects who is unwilling to accept any responsibility for them. While Marcus and the American Army Intelligence recognize the ark as a symbol of both privilege and responsibility (the quest for the ark is the quest "to get a hold of [it] before the Nazis do" and to defeat Hitler and keep the world safe for democracy), Indiana sees things quite differently. His values are still the values of the Indiana Jones who set out to possess the South American idol. His motivation stems neither from dreams of America's glory nor nightmares of Nazi victory but from the simple assurance that the museum will get the Ark, an object that he defines as "a find of incredible historical significance," scoffing at Marcus's tales of the "bogey man." Similarly, his attitude toward Marian, as delineated by her own accusations when they are reunited and his initial reasons for taking her on, illustrates his code of take-as-take-can-and-consequences-be-damned: anything goes.
Quest for the Holy Grail
As the film progresses, the need for books, old wisdom, and careful thought becomes increasingly apparent as the Nazis' book-burning party explicitly identifies "evil" with the destruction of old traditions. The knowledge of those same traditions saves the two Joneses' hides more than once and, finally, allows Indiana to achieve the Grail. The first instance of the power of books occurs when it looks as though the villains in the plane are going to succeed in running them down. Indiana is at a loss; Dad, however, comes to the rescue, using his umbrella to shoo the seagulls up into the propellers, thus bringing down the plane and destroying the enemy. His explanation: I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne, 'Let my army be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky.' " In this case, reading and knowledge yield answers when wit and strength have none. As Jones, Sr., replies when the Nazis demand of the Grail diary, "What does this tell you that it doesn't tell us?" "It tells me that goosestepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." And when he uses his fountain pen to stave off the German army, Marcus quips, "The pen, the pen, you see, is mightier than the sword."
I actually don't think the author succeeds in her point: arguing that the Indiana Jones trilogy stands as Arthurian legend: most of the themes she identified (correctly) can be attributed mostly to character development, etc. without invoking the Grail legend, etc.
That being said, to the extent that there IS any substance of this sort to the films, it seem much more likely to have been due to Lucas than Spielberg. As much as Slashdotters may enjoy trashing AOTC, it is one probably one of the most interesting intellectual films to be released in the last year for those familiar with film symbolism, etc. Spielberg has never even come close to the kind of stuff Lucas pulls off there - not even in AI.
enough said
This is against popular myth, but Kasdan was brought in as a writer for Empire Strikes Back to revise Leigh Brackett's draft after she took ill (and later died of cancer). Leigh provided the real heart to Empire and deserves the bulk of the credit, not Kasdan.
Need proof? Just look at Kasdan's treatment of Return of the Jedi. Is Jedi in the same league, writing-wise, as Empire? Heck no!!!
Tom
One. You are not directors, you are slack jawed fans.
Two. Spielburg is a director, and a damned decent one at that. See his list of successful films, availible at IMDB.
Three. Spielburg and Lucas HAVE WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE, creating one of the most successful collection of films. Ever.
So, tell me, what's wrong with Spielburg walking up to Lucas and saying, "Hey, we did some crazy mad shit with Indy. We should work together again sometime. Maybe I can help you out on one of the Star Wars films, man, that'd be great?"
And what's wrong with Lucas saying, "Yeah, we rock, but no thanks man, these're like my babies."?
But, since such sane things are obviously horrible and Spielburg and/or Lucas are idiots, I might as well toss in some mindless drivel, too.
The Tolkien estate should sue Lucas. Dooku was a rip off of Saruman. Man, look at it, you've got Saruman being 'evil' and 'good' at the same time, fighting against the Enemy, aka, the Dark Side. So then he tries to convince Gandalf, aka, 'Obi Wan' to join him, and naturally, there's refusal, some attempt at death, and an army out of nowhere. I'm surprised those droids didn't have a white hand painted on their bodies!
I hear R2D2 bites someone's finger off in episode three!!!
Wouldn't it have been slicker if Lucas did 7,8,and 9, then gone back to do 1,2,and 3 later on? This way, he could have used the actors (Ford, Hamill, Fisher) while they were still somewhat young & viable in 7,8, and 9. Alec Guinness's passing proves this point.
A swashbuckling Han Solo & Chewy, combined with a luny Yoda is what made 4,5,and 6 fun movies. We're all older now, and we want 1 & 2 to be as much fun as the originals were. In reality, 1 & 2 aren't fun at all - but they are serious movies with heavy plots. We miss the comic relief; the lightheartedness. Where did it go?
Spaceships? What spaceships? Ep2 had *one* space battle, consisting of a whopping *two* ships. Isn't it STAR Wars? Why the hell did the last two movies feature climactic LAND battles?!?!?!?
John Susek
While it could hardly be worse than what we've already been subjected to, just think what Episode 3 would be like if all we ended up getting was Spielberg's incessant product pimping on top of crap actors like Hayden Christensen spewing Lucas's junior high love note pap:
"I've thought of her every day for the last ten years, Jar Jar. Every handful of Reese's Pieces reminds me of her beautiful, dark eyes."
"You'sa soundin' like you be needin' a Pepsi, Ani."
Lucas is just trying to protect what he *thinks* is rightfully his because he is scared! And rightfully so, Spielberg IS a better Director. If you are to compare both George & Stevens latest films, Minority Report (MR) is far far better. Now I'm not saying that MR is out right awesome, but come on, the last two Star Wars Lucas has put out are not even close to par! I think Spielberg should Direct the last Star Wars episode. Or at the very least, the two should work together on it!
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Lucas has already annihilated the Star Wars franchise. That fucker has 1 more movie to go, and a whole shitload of ground to cover before he can even get close to trying to bridge Episode 2 to Episode 4.
He's like the engineers who dug the Chunnel. As they got closer to completion they realized they were off by a couple of feet. It's the same with Lucas, he has written himself into a fucking corner with Episode 2, just like X-files. He's going to have to make Episode 3 AND Episode 3.5 just to bridge the gap.
And Spielberg. What is he going to do, try to relive the legacy of Lucas like he tried to relive the legacy of Kubrick with that ridiculous piece of shit A.I.? Kubrick's estate should sue him for defamation of character. That piece of tripe that Spielberg shat out his ass is nothing like what Kubrick would have done, unless Kubrick was lobotomized.
Spielberg hasn't spat out a great movie since Raiders. Everything else has been mediocre with 2 or 3 really-hard-to-swallow-plot-problems.
But watching Spielberg put the final nail in the coffin of the Star Wars franchise as well would be sado-maschistic pleasure.
Lord knows that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was shitty except for the hot Nazi chick. Everything that is the trademark of Indiana Jones was explained in a 2 minute period of his life. Didn't anyone have the guts to tell these idiots that that is just the stupidest thing they had ever seen? No, and that is why Indiana Jone 4 is going to suck, and so will Episode 3. These guys more worreid about erasing terrorist Halloween costumes and adding Barba-papa Jabba the Hutts than they are about making a quality story with acceptable dialogue.
I like them all. Every Star Wars movie ever made.
What most people don't realize, there was bad
acting in 4,5,6. Who cares? Excellent visuals, plot holes filled, and the love story is needed to help drive anakin to the dark side. You guys try to rewrite history! If steven teamed up with lucas it could be good, but it would defintely clash with the other movies.
Get a grip, the movies are made, and they are good. If you dont like Georges vision, don't watch them.
Tougey
Many people have pointed out that Lucas hasn't directed a star wars since the original, and was given some (much needed) writing assistance by several very talented people.
I wrote a long article detailing what happened to those people, but mozilla crashed. Damn debian using old binaries... When woody!? Dear god when!?
Oh, sorry. Yes, the writer of Empire and the director of Jedi are both dead, and the director of empire is pushing 76... Kasdan (working from memory, spelling may be wrong) would be an excellent choice to bring some reality back to the plate, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
There are several people in hollywood who are legendary directors. There are legendar writers. There are legendary producers. There are legendary effects people. There are no legendary director / writer / producer / effects people. That's like saying a good programmer should be able to design the computer, build it, program it, and draw the icons... It just ain't happening. Lucas needs to get it through his thick scull that he's a legendary effects / producer artist, and that he should rely on other geniuses when it comes to writing and directing.
How can we make Lucas realize that he isn't infalliable? Maybe a protest boycott on the opening night of episode 3?
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Hey! He did just fine on part 1! Now I just need to wait for good versions of parts 2 and 3.
Wait? Was this thread about Star Wars?
James Cameron and George Lucas are in completely different classes. Lucas might have a better handle on state-of-the-art effects, but James Cameron knows how to take good special effects and combine them with other movie-making components and make truly brilliant films - with the right combination of emotion, witticism, screenplay and special effects.
Spielburg probably would make a better Star Wars series than George Lucas through different directing techniques. I'd wager, though, that Lucas would have enough input to make it his own despite bringing in a different director.
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We all know that George Lucas kinda like ignores his actors for the larger part. He gives them Freedom, he gives some advice, but he's not the Director that goes into Character bulding very much. He's all more of the 'visual poetry' type. One gets the impression, that he would just like to make a long sequence of stills, pans and enviro shot of a variety of Space Opera Worlds (Bespin, Mos Aisly (dunno how thats spelled), Endor, Deathstar Interior) - all that is his visual style and it fits the Space Opera genre he's into so very much.
Having Actors being something like Posers and not much more really doesn't bother in such a setting. On the contrary, it actualy goes along quite well.
Spielberg on the other hand - with his own distinct visual handwriting (that 80s Kiddy Candy Movie look - that's all his - even AI had it!) would spoil the esprit of SW totally!!!
He's a good director, no doupt, but keeping Spielbarg away from SW is just what I would do if I where a producer.
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The groundbreaking visual technique in The Matrix was 'flow-mo'. 'Slow-mo' has been in use for quite a while longer (like, since the beginning of film).
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Talking about directors in their 80s... Kershner is 79. I guess he has tons of ideas for his life other than participating in the making of another Star Wars movie.
Actually, I had the weird idea after noticing how bad the script was for *AotC*, of taking a few weeks to dedicate to writing a really convincing fake script for the 3rd episode and then "leaking" it to a bunch of rumor sites later in the year just to see what the reaction would be. Compared to Lucas' own screenplay, I'm sure mine would be a gem... ;-) It would indeed be ironic if fan sites thought a false screnplay were better than the real one when the real one comes out. :-)
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LOTR was great, but Peter Jackson isn't the magic director that will make any movie great. And how anyyone, blinding enthusiasm for LOTR not withstanding, is going to ludicrously maintain that WETA is better than ILM is something I'll never comprehend.
American Graffiti was really good though. Not good enough to make up for episodes one and two, but it was a darned good movie.
Yeah, this is totally off-topic and schtuff.
I thought AI was a good movie. Admittedly an appreciation of it requires an IQ higher than the temperature outside, but since when was that a bad thing? Shakespeare isn't for bozo's either.
As for Coppolla's casting of his daughter, she was a last minute stand in for Winona Ryder who fell ill when shooting was scheduled to start. I'd rather have seen Winona in the movie myself since she's one of the most beautiful women on the face of the earth, and she can actually act. Sophia Coppolla might make for a good director (The Virgin Suicides), but an actress she is not, or at least WAS not back when GF-3 was made.
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If you examine some of Lucas' comments in recent times, he views all of his movies as permanent "works in progress". It's why he wasn't afraid to touch up the first trilogy. This is a big difference to Spielberg's attitude.
...in about 20 years or so.
I think Lucas and Spielberg are well aware of their stylistic differences after their Indiana Jones collaborations. Lucas is probably afraid not that Spielberg would do it better, but that the end product would bear more of Spielberg's signature than Lucas'. In George's eyes, Star Wars is his Big Vision which he won't share any more.
My guess is that Spielberg won't get a chance, but I could imagine letting a young director loose on the Star Wars series as a retelling...
What about 7 of 9?
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The article says 15 years ago; that's about the time of Jedi and can be confirmed in Gerry Jenkins' behind-the-scenes book Empire Building
Lucas and Spielberg were in talks for Steve to direct Jedi, but shortly after Empire, Lucas quit the Directors' Guild (and Writers Guild) and thus by guild rules, nobody belonging to those guilds could work for him.
Spielberg considered quitting as well in order to direct Jedi, but decided that the benefits of being part of the Hollywood establishment outweighed the benefits of directing Jedi.
Incidentally, that's one of the reasons why Jedi, Phantom Menace, Clones, and in fact most of Lucas's movies since Empire (Howard the Duck, anyone??) were so much poorer than the first two movies. Lucas can't use any writer or director that belong to the Guilds, so he ends up finding... if not no-names, then folks of such small stature that they don't have much experience working on big films to belong to the Guilds.
Your arguments would come across better if you used the apostrophie correctly. Since you consistently use it wrongly, I can only assume that you've not made a simple typo, so here is a friendly tip.
When using an apostrophie to compress two words with the latter ending in "not", you should replace it with "n't".
Therefore:
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I didn't notice them offering crack at the movie when I went.
Bitches, bring back Stanley Kubrick. I don't care how, just do it. I can picture the scene right now : A mutilated droid floating through orbital rock debris, pan down to Palpatine crushing a pill in Amidala's shirley temple, then having his way with her as the camera shifts sideways to reveal a cross-dressing Anakin spraying WD-40 on his light saber, only to lop the Senator's head off in one quick swipe. Then gallons of rainbow blood come gushing out in anti-gravity for about 15 minutes, and the credits roll.
And that's a wrap.
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You said it brother!
Raiders was great, but his "serious" movies suck big-time. Schindler's list was crap. The biggest phoney movie ever.
Compare SS's "lost world" with the recent BBC TV "Lost World" series.
Acting against a blue screen has got to be worse than dealing with another actor.
Some quotes:
Terence Stamp (Valorum): "When I arrived on set for Episode 1, George Lucas said, 'I've given Natalie the day off.' So, he pointed to a piece of paper on a post and said, 'Pretend that's her.' They couldn't afford me again."
Thus proving this prediction...
Mark Hamill: "I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were a way to make movies without actors, George would do it." Early 1980s
Who Really GIVES a shit? Retarded, movie weenies and their ilk? Get a life and fuck the movies, the making of movies fuels the global energy crisis, encourages fantasy bullshit and basically is a time waster. Read a book, write a book and pray that God doesn't penalize you for time you waste here on Earth. Pray real hard.
Normally, I don't get excited over Spielberg films (I can't stand his sledgehammer plot progression or utterly shameless use of the score as an emotional barb), but the Indy collaborations were great. Shrug.
But with this news, we can all still look forward to the wonderful Episode 3 merchandise . . .
From the article:
He concluded: "It's going to be very exciting. Even though he will be 62 by the time this film comes out, Harrison hasn't lost the snap in his whip."
I'm thinking Mr. Spielberg may be getting a little personally involved with his actors...
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Surely with all that money he's stolen from us
Give me a break, okay? No one is forcing you to go see the movies. You can say what you want about Lucas' directing ability or his writing ability, but no one is making you go see the movies. Lucas hasn't "stolen" anything, whatever his other flaws may be. Get a grip.
All this yacking about Spielberg and Star Wars reminded me that I had read an article way back when EP1 came out regarding Lucas and the film. Most of the "review" is a condemnation of Lucas's vision and the plot holes in SW TPM. However, it is written by David Brin, a SF writer himself. I found it quite amusing back in the day.
Anyway, this 1999 article found on Salon.com does have relevance to the present discussion. The last paragraph (or second-last) briefly discusses the very issue of Spielberg and the ideas in Star Wars. It seems that David Brin also thought Spielberg would have been a better director.
Here's the link.
I'm deffinitely not a big fan of Spielberg, though I admit that he's had his moments too. It's just that Lucas has now twice fumbled quite miserably with his efforts. I mean Episode 2 had tolerable plot and some pretty good stuff in it, too, but the adventure game and sound of musics scenes (just to name a few) were again a tad too much, as with JarJar and the Boonta eve race (just to name a few) in Episode 1.
Having clearly witnessed how Lucas either has lost all class and style or has been forced to do so by the marketing department, I for one would be pretty much willing to let any director give it a shot.
I for one would be pretty damn anxious to see the later episodes done by likes of Scorsese or Scott.
Thenagain, I do admit that I never mind them making total-crap sequels. Take Highlander II & III for example, the first one hasnt been diminshed by those lame-excuse-for-a-movies.
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After 1 and 2 it makes you wish you could vote a franchise out of its creators control, and give it to someone else that would stop desecrating our memorys :P
...considering that Episode 1 is the 2nd top grossing movie of all time.
You may have not liked it, but some people definetly went to see it over and over and over.
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I think the Universe is BIG enough for two Star Wars Episodes I, II, and III. In fact, I think Speilburg should be allowed to make his own Episode I. I'd pay money to see both versions.
Both could exist in parallel time lines as long as the key points in the plot were kept the same, even though I yearn to see Jar Jar get a light saber through his floppy eared head. Then the version with the highest box office gross would become the official version!
If Speilberg did a good enough job, would we allow him to remake Episodes 4,5 and 6? Note: Just because AI sucked doesn't mean Speilberg sucks.
Is this the same guy who made Robocop 2?
Gary Kurtz? What has he produced lately? Let's see "Slipstream"*('89) and "The Steal"('94). Yeah, those have "blockbuster" written all over them.
The only person that seems more active in the movie industry is Kasdan, with a movie coming up in 2003. We'll forgive his script for the "Bodyguard".
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Speilberg would do much better overall than Lucas, as I am sure at this point anyone could. But we would have to probably endure an ending that was entirely too long, drawn out, and cliche. He has a tendency to do that with some movies that otherwise are fantastic. A.I. and Cast Away come to mind.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
All the Indiana Jones movies were writen by Lucas but directed by Steven Spielberg.
Lucas has already said he won't make 7,8,9 because the story is finished. And I agree. I don't want to see old Luke, Leia and Han in an elderly home swappnig old war stories. This is just another bad fanboy idea, which is ironic since most fanboys seem to think they can come up with a better idea which is almost always not true.
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> We all know Lucas's biggest motivation is money, lots and lots of it.
> Too bad he's too ego-centric to let go. Ego over money, I guess.
First you say his biggest motivation is money, then you say his ego is greater than his love for money. Why don't you make up your mind and then write your opinion?
You also seem to imply that making money is more important than ego, yet most great artists are big ego-centrics (Dali, Van Gogh, etc).
Try to find a point and then post back, OK?
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Hasn't anyone figured that out yet?
George Lucas couldn't direct a paper bag - and now we're stuck with poorly renderd films made with wooden dialog and an unfortunate tendency towards lame melodrama.
Look instead at Saving Private Ryan and Minority Report. Spielberg has gotten better as he's gotten older; the movies have a flow and coherency that Lucas never had, even in the early Lucas. Heck, even the early Spielberg movies are put together better than the early Lucas films.
Maybe Lucas just got lucky once, and has been living off that franchise for decades. Spielberg has been humping it out for decades, doing different things, experimenting, and taking risks.
Plus, Lucas has already demonstrated, with episode 1 and 2, that he's incapable of bringing the franchise where it needs to go. 'Nuff said.
I can only imagine what Spielberg would have done to the series. Ep 3 is supposed to be the darkest of all of the episodes. I'm sorry, but Spielberg just doesn't do dark well enough.
Well, based on Ep.1 and 2, what reason do we have to believe that George has one good movie left in him. Of all the films so far, George was the least involved with The Empire Strikes Back. Dark? Absolutely. Quality? It was the best film of the series.
Now, how is the guy who wrote that drivel that passed as romantic dialogue between Amidala and Anakin in AOTC going to finish the story to the satisfaction of all? The only saving grace is that the ending of Episode 3 must seamlessly integrate with Episode 4 and beyond. We all know how it has to end, George just has to make it all fit.
And for the love of humanity, NO MORE GODDAM REVISIONS. What was achieved by making Greedo shoot first?
*** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
So far, from ready all your posts, I gather a few attitudes from people.
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Basically, Slashdotters seem ready to cast George Lucas as an imaginative visionary without the skills needed to put out a quality piece of work in modern day cinema, who's time came and went with the late 70's and early 80's. Steven Spielberg, according to the reports, apparently would loved to have directed any of the prequels, and Lucas, for whatever reason, snuffed him. We can all speculate. Maybe Lucas is a possessive prick who would die before giving up any part of creative control of his "baby" to even someone with the cinematic genius (much less raw ability) of Hollywood's A-List director, Steven Spielberg. Whatever the case, it seems clear that Slashdot fans of the series have a still gaping hole in their hearts that they had reserved just for episodes 1, 2, and 3, and want to see some magic brought back to the story.
So what was it exactly that Lucas did *right* in episodes 4, 5, and 6? For all his lack of directing talent and movie-making skills, it certainly seems a wonder that he could have turned out something as magical as Star Wars at all. Some may argue that he was pushing an envelope in 1977, inventing new technology and cinematic wonders that with his brilliant story line, he couldn't help but succeed. Certainly he did create a new era of movies with the creative movie-making he did. But the sense of evil you felt when Vader first walked into the scene of the first movie; the lump in the throat when Vader told Luke he was his father; the feeling of triumph when Leiah choked Jabba to death with the very chains that bound her; are these the creations of a man who can't direct his way out of a paper bag, or write a decent script to save his life?
Maybe Lucas changed in the 15 years he had off between episodes 6 and 1, but don't cast him aside as a visionary who can't execute. Not to say the last two movies haven't left me wanting. A lot. But Lucas has done it right before, and in a larger sense, has already proven himself. But perhaps it's not movie-making ability, or the script-writing ability that has suffered over time. Rather, it may very well be the creative vision itself. Perhaps Lucas' Dream (tm), has diverged far from that of the fans of Star Wars, such that he has alienated that very people that made Star Wars what it really is.
Sidenote: For all the praise people have been giving Spielberg, if he can pull off a good new Indiana Jones movie with an aging Harrison Ford, then we'll know what he's really made of.
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I tend to agree. Spielberg says that Lucas's real genius is as an editor. I saw an interview where he credited much of his early critical success (Amblin, I guess) to Lucas's editing. Although, it must have been uncredited since the IMDB doesn't list Lucas editing any of Spielberg's movies.
I think both these guys are horribly flawed geniuses. Spielberg is a technical god who works well with cinematographers but has no taste or vision. He can make a beautiful movie on a frame by frame basis, but sitting through the whole thing is a trial. Lucas is nerd with a tremendous grasp of detail, process and materials. He just doesn't understand the whole fiction and performance part. Maybe if we could roll them and Andre Tarkovsky into one BIG genius...
Because he (Lucas) would be shown up by Spielberg's superior skills and abilities. So he's afraid of being shown up for that poor director that he is.
Well, let him out of Star Wars so he can have his crack!
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Maybe Lucas plans to hire Steven Spielbergo, the Cheap Mexican Equivalent?
After waiting for the prequels for so many years, I've been saddened at how low the series has now sunk. Episode I & II were less then quality movies, as much as everyone (myself included) wanted them to be otherwise. I can't tell you how many times I had stood behind Episode I simply because it was Star Wars. The original trilogy was perfect, there is nothing that you look at in the film and say, "wouldn't it be way better if.." simply because everything was done so amazingly well. As I watched Episode I for the first time, I couldn't help but wince at certain material (exqueese me!). Now I don't want to be too much of a critic but Episodes I and II could have been 10 times better movies with the right people. I look back at Empire and Jedi, and Lucas didn't direct and didn't write a good amount of the screenplay. We're all good and bad at certain things, and Lucas just isn't good at directing. True, he did direct Star Wars, but behind the scenes had a lot of input from individuals (most notably Sir Alec Guinness) on the proper way that it should be. The trouble now, is that everyone is a "yes man" to George Lucas. As far as Spielberg is concerned, he is one of the best directors of all time. The way he establishes shots is incredible, and so much thought has been put into each shot. Lucas is an incredible visionary and buissnessman, but can't work with the incredible actors and scenes at his disposal. I think it could be a good decision to let someone else direct the last film, and Spielberg would be a very interesting choice. But Star Wars is Lucas's "baby," and he will guide it at his own discretion.
Simple: He let someone else direct Episodes five (ESB) and six (RotJ). If he had continued that trend, only producing and guiding the prequels, perhaps they would have been a lot better than they were.
Look at how much better the sequels were than the original... I have a feeling the director had a large part in that difference. Lucas can't direct. Period.
Side thought... Maybe Kevin Smith (of Clerks fame) should be given the chance to direct Episode Three....
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So...Spielberg realized, like the rest of us, that ol' Georgie is doing terrible terrible things to his movies, and tried to step in to save the new trilogy. Alas, Georgie is blinded by insanity and power.
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Maybe Lucas is already using Steven Speilbergo. He's gotta be cheaper
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Disappointed in the normally good BBC at nicking this story from an interview with Spielberg in Empire magazine. Word for word, just about...
Must have been a quiet news day in BBC land...
Watching the /. crowd twitch and whimper over what a butthead Lucas is (an opinion I agree with completely), is almost painfully ironic. Why? Many (and I do mean MANY) mainstream computer users feel the same way about the Linux crowd and their seeming inability to make Linux a truly usable OS for the vast majority of users who so desperately want an alternative to Windows. It's painfully obvious to those outside the Linux community what needs to be done, but the message never gets translated into action by those coding the OS and add-ons.
Let's face it, Lucas doesn't want to be remembered as the part creator of the most fantastic, visionary epic movie of the 21st century. He wants to be remembered as the sole monomaniacal creator of a vast, lumbering, eye-catchingly beautiful, but woodenly acted monstrosity that missed a lot of its potential but made billions selling toys.
p.s. I like the the Star Wars movies, I really do, but Spielberg could provide everything Lucas lacks, which is a lot. Lucas's true skills and genius are as a creator/visionary/producer, not a writer or director, where he is 3rd rate at best.
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He hasn't always had the best scripts to work with, but he really can really pull off good film noir.
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I sure hope Lucas is reading Slashdot this morning...
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hhmmmm First of all... Let's just answer the question what makes a good core movie? Yeah it's the story... Titanic, well it's not the good physics display of the ship sinking, or DiCaprios hottie scene in the car... everyone wanted to live the tragedy that was surrounded and symbolized in that ship... I remember old people during my childhood years being amazed by such tragedies as World War II, the Hindenburg, and Titanic. They wanted to tell the story again and again. Seeing it with your own eyes is Fantastic. Now lets get back to 1977, a guy tells a story about light sabers, the Force, Good vs Evil... a farm boy that is the chosen one to destroy evil... nothing particularly new, but the effects blew everyone away..Who wouldn't one light saber to kick some imperial butt! And a moon that destroys planets... cool! And then it starts to get interesting, we see that light-sabers not only sound cool, but cut body parts too! What? my father you say? a twist in the plot! yay! This Vader guy isn't fooling around! And then you get the wrap-up with some teddy-bears saving the day... The story wasn't exactly a best seller... hey who remembers rushing to the bookstore and buying Star Wars - a soon to be released Motion Picture from Fox?... exaclty,me neither... but the Special Fx were worth seeing.. several times... Now that we are grown ups.. we DEMAND a good story... sorry folks but it ain't gonna happen.. the first ones were written all in one giant script, that's why they were so tightly integrated(well at least they were continuous). Now we say what? midiclorians... where did the mystic feeling go? Jar jar... wtf?!?!? Sorry folks lousy writing again... and now they are going one episode at a time... You tell me what it's going to happen... two sided light sabers and Green men rolling are not much plot savers.... Was I the only one who said at the Skywalker-Amiddala wedding, excuse me, can I speak to the bride?, I think she wasn't on the same dimension when his fiancee said he slaughtered an entire village and punished them like animals because they deserved to... He has a problem.. and she has several for wanting to marry someone like him consciously... Any how... since the scripts are so lousy and they are not going to change... does it matter if Spielberg or Lucas are at the helm? hmmmm Hollywood is not exactly known for delivering good stories, and the directors are focusing on profits.. not art. Spielberg has a strong passion for authoritarism-i.e. the nazis, Saving Private Ryan, all nazis appearances in the Jones films, Schindlers list, the control of society in minority report... I think he could have contributed and put a little bit of passion in the Jedi Massacre and tight control for the emperor in the film to follow but that hardly saves a so-so story, and Lucas knows how to do special effects, so I think it is gonna be a good FX movie with a lousy story, with either director... yet again. I have seen this story already... so while I read the real thing... William Schirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.. and see how the senate is dissolved, a guy gets all the power of the state and nearly conquers the galaxy, ahem Europe... I'll be looking forward to see more light-saber wielding, more battlescenes, with star destroyers and star fighters that will make my jaw drop... because there is nothing more to be seen in episode iii. If you want to see a good story read Tolkien, Dumas or Shakespeare. However, we have to give Lucas some credit... in a time when nobody gave a dime to do Sci Fi movies, he had the courage to follow his dreams... he persuaded the studio to do some film about droids and the like... a sure flop said the investors... and then everybody was overwhelmed by the novelty... And now 25 years later everybody complains because we are seeing Lucas' vision all over again...hmmm excuse me but if you don't like what you see stop waiting in line 1 week in advance for tickets and stop paying to see it several times... because you are making the producers rich and encouraging to film episodes 7-9! so stop bugging me! ;-)
Wow, what an ugly quote. A quote defending the "status quo", defending the stablishment. A quote defending the powerful ones, even if they are sitting (in all their naked-ness) on top of a bunch of lies and false philosophies.
Lucas is about as bad for Star Wars as Roddenberry was to Star Trek. New Treks stunk until Roddenberry dropped dead, then let more progressive thinkers take the helm. Majel Barret once said that Gene would hate the direction Star Trek has headed...and rightly so, if it were up to him, Trek would to this day still be about spacefaring tree-huggers in tight spandex solving the universes problems with a coke and a smile. :P
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There isn't much one can say redeeming about George Lucas, much in the same vein. He got lucky once by re-writing a story that already existed in Japanese film, and spending alot of money on expensive special effects. It was a hit.
But he's a lousy writer, as his latest films can attest to, but worse off he's an absolutely abyssmal director and producer.
Take a look at the man: He's borderine anti-social, shy, and introverted......and his characters on screen all behave like their being directed by someone boring, shy, and introverted.
His apathy towards his fans almost makes one DISlike him as a human being. He's made no bones about caring nothing for the opinions of his legions of fans....intsead, he's almost proud to know that he could have people lining up to sniff the farts from his crack
Regardless of how his movies are panned, to him its all about the money. In a recent article in People magazine he basically said "Phantom Menace was a huge hit because of the money it made..if people didn't like it, too bad". He's a worm.
He'd probably have Data come back to life after sacrificing himself for the crew. At least as it stands, there is some question about whether or not the android Data created in his own image is actually achieving a copy of Data's personality, but Spielberg would probably freeze them both and have them come back after everybody else dies like he did in A.I.
Lucas is where it's at. Episode 3 will blow 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 away. He just needed to get used to CGI with a couple of warm-up episodes.
Uh, I hate to spoil it, but the hint in the MIB II preview of Nemesis is that Data brings his evil twin brother back. So there is a good chance only the copy gets blown-up.
"Face it, a nation that maintains a 72% approval rating on George W. Bush is a nation with a very loose grip on reality.
Yeah, and too bad Divine died.
Maybe Traci Lords could play - um, somebody.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
When this topic comes up, slashdot turns into a bad movie site. Ben Affleck had it right, "Sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement, downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise, yet can't stop discussing."
I love Star Wars. All of it. I walked out of EP2 DYING to see EP3 and crying that soon it would be over, with no more movies coming. I don't know anyone who was upset with the way the movies turned out. But then again, I didn't go hoping that my dark dreams from my troubled teenage years would be fulfilled with a protagonist that was me in the tight leather from the crow having kinky sex with charlies angels. I went to see Star Wars. I got Star Wars.
I realize that not everyone is happy with how their life is turning out. But that's not Star Wars' fault. Really. And if you're insights into film are so penetrating and deep, then why don't you go make one. If you can out-gross a Star Wars film, I'll listen to you. Which means the only people I have to listen to _this year_ are Peter Jackson and Sam Raimi.
If I've been insulting you here, I'll try and leave you with a positive note. Read less rumor sites and commentary and instead go and just _watch_ the movies. They are so much more fun that way. It's not G.L.'s bad directing that makes you notice it....it's Carrie Fisher's snide interview rememberances. Over-analyzing ANYTHING will make it suck for you (I know. I watched Princess Bride 50 times in a row once for a class). So don't do that.
May the force be with you.
p.s. Why do the slashdot editors keep posting negative spin Star Wars stories when their entire Sourceforge ad campaign seems to derive from Star Wars? I don't get it.
...in the article is from Episode 1, when she was Queen. But the caption touts it as Attack of the Clones, the fifth Star Wars Film. Oh those silly Brittish. What will they do next ^-^
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Actually, he didn't direct ROTJ. Richard Marquand did. The only one of the original films he directed was the first.
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Oh know imagine what the kiddies will think!
Speilberg on drugs....hmm thats explains soem of his movies..
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Who's going to get to direct the Mace Windu Kwanzaa Special for TV?
That is all.
In E1 the scene is the imperial senate chamber a short flash to one of the booths of planetary reps shows about 3 or 4 ET's in a booth. It is really short only about 1 or 2 seconds but there is NO mistake.
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If sense were common everyone would have it.
FYI, it's not "is'nt", it's "isn't". And it's not "does'nt", it's "doesn't".
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Darn tootin'. Even Shpielberg could have done a better job with Episode II than George.
People are morons. When EpI was first released, everyone was like "THIS MOVIE IS AWESOME!" except for a few token player haters that have to hate anything more than two people like. A little while after that, it was "Episode I is great but Jar Jar is kind of annoying." and then within a couple years everyone is still sharing a brain. "ALL NEW STAR WARS MOVIES SUCK!" is their cry now. Then they add something about blue screens to back up their points. I guess they're like "Wah, I wish george Lucas would assemble huge sets of tiny models and have hundreds of model ships flying around like before! It looked so much better because it's not NEW. I CAN TELL IT'S COMPUTER ANIMATED AND IT LOOKS FAKE! GIVE MY EYES A PRIZE! Well, I guess I'll go watch Jason and the Argonauts. The skeletons move so real and lifelike. It's nothing like CGI where I notice how fake everything looks." I mean, Christ people. Lucas wants shots of locations and things that flat out don't exist in life. Either he can try to please you people who are so passionate about being retarded and make a model, or he can do it the good way: CGI. Also, I don't know what movies you guys were watching when you say the quality of the original trilogy was so much better, but it isn't the same ones I have. The dialogue was always cheesy. As always, with the exception of a couple people, the acting was horrible. Even Harrison Ford's performance in the trilogy is less than stellar. The goddamn main character is the most annoying whiny bitch in the history of man. Even in Jedi, watching mark try to be a badass is simply embarrassing. As an interesting side note, I recently watched Episode 1 with a friend of mine who lives out of town. As it happens, he doesn't have a PC or an internet connection, nor does he have a tv. He is, however, quite well read and a bright man. He didn't hate Jar Jar and he enjoyed the film. That's what made me realize everybody on the internet is stupid and they just pick a bandwagon and jump on it. And as we all know, hating something makes you cooler than liking something. And we all read countless times that we're supposed to hate Jar Jar. Might as well join in and let the world know you share its great taste. I'd be willing to bet cashmoney that without any form of media, Jar Jar would be a non issue to > 95% of the people who have an issue with him. Except for YOU of course. You (the guy reading this right now) are the one true original Jar Jar hater and you decided you hated him completely independant of what anybody else said and not because you read someone saying they hated him. But as for all these other people, you smell. To sum up, here's you: "Blah blah wooden acting blah blue screen blah." and here's me "Hey I guess you have some magic edition of the original trilogy with great acting and nothing to complain about."
I have to disagree with you there....Graffiti was long, very boring, pointless, and boring. It was like watching Porky's without the nekkid chicks or the humor. Watching Graffiti is like watching Black Knight, you just sit around waiting for it to get good but it never does......
Reality is reality.
James Cameron. It would also have the honor of being the first movie to cost over $1 billion. It sure wouldn't suck though.
Does this really surprise anyone? Regardless of who would be better, I don't see why Lucas would even consider giving his up his series. The article makes it seem as though this is really unfair and give quotes from Spielberg (which may have been selected for the purpose and may not represent his actual opinion, of course) which make him sound offended. It seems to me that Lucas can direct or get others to direct or help as he likes. Also, does this mean that anyone who asks would be allowed to make a Star Wars movie (I wouldn't mind trying :-))? I see that Spielberg is very prominant, but still...
So how much are they paying you per referral?
When I read the title, I thought Spielberg had been busted for smoking drugs in a theatre.
It probably isn't possible, but what if Lucas let other writers and directors use the Star Wars setting (genre, really, after 5 movies) to tell a non-Skywalker-related story. This could easily spiral off into an infinite mountain of B-grade crap, but wouldn't it be cool to see what Spielberg, David Fincher, or even drooling fanboy Kevin Smith (or your favourite director) could do with entirely new characters and storylines?
In a way, I guess it makes sense that the Indiana Jones series should always be a Spielberg and Lucas collaboration, and SW should remain just a Lucas series ... but a joint collaboration on the last SW movie (if they don't ever make the final trilogy!) probably would have yielded one hell of a movie! Probably a long movie at that, and the two would squabble so much that the next movie would take longer to get into the theaters!
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