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Apache Binaries Available for PS2 Linux
cant_get_a_good_nick writes: "From ApacheWeek, probably the best net resource for Apache, comes the announcement of a binary build of Apache 2.0.39 for PS2 Linux. You too can have a server farm for web serving, and GTA3. Be nice and don't kill this guy's downloads page."
We need it on the Xbox to make that microsoft junk useful.
-- Will program for bandwidth
I hope it's the latest apache, otherwise your PS2 might get owned! ;)
Of course, if you really just want low cost, Old PCs or laptops (to get low power consumption) would probably be a better bet. I use an old 200mhz P1 for my linux mail server, and it has more ram then the ps2 :P
Now as far as coolness factor, OTOH...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
So what? You might as well get a decent webserver box than waste your PS2s superior graphics capabilities on just dishing out webpages.
Another bizarre, ridiculous and completely useless application of the technology.
Now I can set up a webserver on my PS2 and visit it with my Dreamcast! Once they get the Xbox running linux, we'll be all set.
Yes I can imagine. It's called a "server farm".
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"Be nice and don't kill this guys downloads page." :P
That's like standing in front of the running of the bulls and asking for them to spare you -- it's just not going to happen!
My other sig is funny!
i hope this is finally the showdown between the slashdot effect and a bank of ps2's.
four-oh-four
It was just meant to be a joke hon. Chill out! ;)
Apache 2 has compiled cleanly on PS2 linux since its release.
Yes, "Neo" is an anagram for "one".
Did you know that "Trinity" is an anagram for "try it in"?
PS2 apache might be nice, but since you have to buy the special ps2 from sony for more money than a regular ps2 anyway, i would rather buy a computer.. until i can run linux on an XBOX anyways
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The PS2 is great and all, but it's cost effectiveness for power is not matched by the XBox. The PlayStation 2 also costs a lot more than an XBox after you consider the cost of both the PS2 _and_ the overly restrictive Linux kit.
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now I see it from the flamers' perspective... WOO-HOO. Oh looky looky, someone said the word "Linux". Let's post it on Slashdot! Whoah, someone actually downloaded a file, ran configure, and built a binary? Like everyone else in the world does? WOW! ... Ok. I'm not trying to be flamebait here, but ... it's that easy. ./configure --prefix=~/package/usr make make install tar czvf apache.tgz ~/package/* ... and presto-chango. You have a file called apache.tgz, which you unzip in / and you have apache. /me ducks from the mods, and hopes for well-done M2...
--pi
example from /.
/.'er everwhere:
/.'ed"
"A guy is running apache on a timex watch!! heres the link to his site"
5 hits later, the site goes down.
angry
a) "its
b) "heres the google cache, gimme karma now!"
comon ppl...
Ok, now its time for someone to come out with the Rack Mount Kit for the Linux edition of the PS2, complete with mounting for HD etc.
How else is one supposed to make a decent server farm out of these? Has anyone done any serious benchmarking of Linux on this hardware? What's the price/performace for one of these doing (tiff to) pnm to png conversions? (I have the need for small cluster for that, have been looking into AMD's)
I am only half joking.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
I thought about getting one of these kits for our PS2. But then I realised that while I'm messing around on the PC my boyfriend can play games which keeps him quiet. If I started hogging the playstation he wouldn't have anything to do ;)
Maybe we should just buy another PS2 now that they've come down in price so much....no there's an idea!
Does the distribution include mod_chip?
This is just what I bought my PS2 for!!!!!
Oh wait.
No.
It was to play "Gran Turismo".
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Be nice and don't kill this guy's downloads page.
As deterrant as telling children they may get their own cookies from the jar, but to take only one.
"You too can have a server farm for web serving, and GTA3."
Well you don't really need a PS2 running Linux to do that. Just use a Windows 2000 box running Apache, then you can serve web pages while playing GTA 3.
You can't do that on a PS2!!!
"Derp de derp."
How much RAM does the PS2 have? I'm just wondering how truly effective it can be as a webserver.
-- You see, there would be these conclusions that you could jump to
Now all I need are some PS2 game ISO's to serve and I'll be all set. Ahhhhh, the irony...
Me either...
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
The announcement, and the two files: binaries, readme.
The site www.phi-web.co.uk is running Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) [...] on FreeBSD.
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Be nice?
Why post a link if you don't want people to click on it? Why not include a list of users with the story, so we know who is allowed to click on the link and who is not? This way, we won't exceed our quota.
That's rediculous, I know. But saying "be nice..." in this context just says to me "hehehe I know all about this thing called the Slashdot effect, but I don't really care. Just to make it a bit funnier, though, I'll tell everyone to 'be nice' in my most sarcastic tone."
"A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force." -William Blum
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0x or or snor perron?!
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it's that easy.
Read his announcement, it was non-trivial.
And we had the Lego mathematical models a few days ago, anyone can click Legos. He did it cause it was cool, and thought the community at large would like it. And it's on Slashdot cause using a game machine for doing real work is kinda cool to a geek.
Yes, I realize that. Sure, it's kinda cool. Now if they had done something OTHER than just recompiling, like a little bit of porting to get it to run on... say... NewOS (ok, bad example. pick something with a network stack and try again.), that would be REALLY /.-worthy.
--j
News Flash: Apache binaries are available for FreeBSD.
this is stupid.
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Why would anyone want to make your game console a web server? With all of that graphic processing power for a single display, why would you want to server web pages? Why? Whhy? God, oh, gawd WHY!!!
People keep touting stuff like this and how it'll revolutionize everything and provide low cost computers to everyone and herald an era of world peace.
Right. Most console hardware blows chunks. There's no other word to describe it. You know what the important things in a console are? Sound and video.
Every cool thing like this I've seen has something to do with turning a console into a server. Servers do not need sound and video. To put it geekily, if you proposed this as a Borg, they'd deactivate you for your lack of efficiency.
I'm not even sure this is cool any more. They've been tossing Linux on consoles since the Dreamcast (at least).. And some guy had a webserver running off a C= 64 awhile back.
I mean, I respect the efforts of those who brought us Apache on the PS2, but only from a technical standpoint. As far as cool, though, porting to consoles has become All Your Base - just not as funny.
"the PS2 only has a 300mhz MIPS processor, and the compile time for Apache is quite hefty."
I built Apache 2 on a Pentium 100 running OpenBSD (and ended up using the 1.3.x binaries that came with it anyway:) and it only took a couple of hours. How bad could it be on a machine that has not only 3 times the clock speed, but many more times the raw processing power?
Now X11 or Mozilla (it's sad when a web browser takes nearly the same amount of time to build as a windowing system, but I digress) might be bad, but I can't see a huge chunk of time for Apache.
"Be nice and don't kill this guy's downloads page."
I don't think 10 people downloading the PS2 build of Apache is going to kill anyone's download page.
Correction -- I don't think 3 people downloading the PS2 build is going to cause any problems.
"You too can have a server farm for web serving, and GTA3. Be nice and don't kill this guy's downloads page."
Not at the same time u cant.. unless u run windows.
Whats the point of having a games machine and a web server if u cant do it at the same time?
I'm trying to do one from source, but that's not easey/fun :/. BTW there's a debian project @ sourceforge for the PS2 Linux Kit....
Of course this has uses on some levels. Will a bank of PS2's ever be the backbone of EBAY, NO. But it can be a useful hobby/ learning tool for someone who happens to already own a PS2 and not a computer.
I can't figure out what "makes" a story here, I've seen readers praise less interesting re-invented wheels than this one. I could cure cancer and you guys would say "so", but let some guy setup Linux to auto-flush his toilet and he'd be a hero.
All you have to do is pick out three things wrong with this parent!
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GTA3 and a webserver farm at the same time is not going to happen. You have to shutdown the linux to get to the game side of the PS2
The greater benefit of downloading pre-compiled binaries for PS2/Linux is that compiling things on the PS2 takes a very long time. Compiling xmame for example, takes roughly 2-3 hours.
My other first post is car post.
Oh, damn.... it's already been done.
Of course this has uses on some levels. Will a bank of PS2's ever be the backbone of EBAY, NO. But it can be a useful hobby/ learning tool for someone who happens to already own a PS2 and not a computer.
but for the cost of Sony's Linux kit and a PS2, you could certainly have much more computing power than a 300 MHZ processor if ya knew *anything* about computers...
And if ya didnt know anything about computers, would ya be running Linux on a PS2?
they discover the first ps2 mp3/divX site
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It's kind of funny - Sony, known for its extremely successful Playstation, wants the PS2 to be more like a PC. Microsoft, known just about only in computers, wants the Xbox to be seen only as a gaming console (and/or "entertainment hub").
Sony distributes and supports Linux for its systems, while Microsoft is doing everything they can to stop (non-Microsoft-licensed, therefore not profiting MS directly) PC software from running on their gaming-console/entertainment-hub.
"Hobbyists" port and program software for the PS2, while "hackers" port and program software for the Xbox. (actually I'm pretty sure hackers are doing/have done more to the PS2 right now)
Sony's plan is probably to attack MS in the computer market, what with recent announcements of OS experience they've gained from the Linux project and the Vaio and the handheld Clie and the such. Microsoft's plan is to penetrate the entertainment market, a place where Sony, ironically (or coincidentally?), happens to have a strong foothold in (although I prefer Panasonic, myself, but my friend's Sony VVega is nothing to scoff at).
And through this all, Nintendo sits, GameCube in hand, planning on how to continue in the console gaming market. With the recent retirement of Nintendo mastermind and uber-zombie President Hiroshi Yamauchi, and the recent announcements of the company focusing more on software than hardware, it's anybody's guess as to what is going on at Nintendo of Japan headquarters.
(Don't even begin on the handheld gaming market - Nintendo owned that market for 10 years with a handheld that could only do spinach green and black sprites, and GBA will probably last at least another 5 on its own).
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Read last paragraph:
"Additionally HP-UX, Linux, Solaris and recent releases of FreeBSD cycle back to zero after 497 days, exactly as if the machine had been rebooted at that precise point. Thus it is not possible to see a HP-UX, Linux or Solaris system with an uptime measurement above 497 days."
No need for more comments, I guess
depending on your budget, if you want reliable hardware with moving parts which do not break, you might wanna look at refurbed or new apple hardware.
Back in early '96 i bought Apple's first "PCI Mac", the PowerPC 7500/100. The thing has been on 24/7 every single day for the last 6 years and has run a slew of operating systems, and i have crashed the thing many, many times while never corrupting a single hard drive.
While in college, i used it as a TV, video capture platform, web surfing, web serving, web authoring, C programming tool.
Then it was used for about 3 years as a dedicated web server on a T1 connection, serving filemaker-pro-db/lasso/webstar-driven sites for multiple clients until they'd migrate to their own boxes.
And for the last two years it has been happily sitting on my kitchen table running LinuxPPC Q4 2000 24/7 serving some hobby sites of mine off of my DSL connection
I've upgraded its processor to a 250mhz G3, added an Ultra2 LVD SCSI card, a 9gig 8.5ms 10,000 rpm IBM cheetah hard drive, boosted the ram to 200MB (could be up to 1gig in theory) and other nifty things.
I've been opening the case and cleaning its guts about once every 2 years whenever i fellt the need to mess with it.
in any case, it has been my experience that apple hardware just doesn't break, no matter how much i fuck with it. I still see 5 year-old apple laptops still running MacOS 8.5 and allowing you to surf the 'net. Sure the battery no-longer holds a charge, which is to be expected, but once the power supply is plugged-in, they still work.
and i bet you could get an old 100mhz PPC 7500 CPU for around $300.
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i'm curious why he doesn't just cross compile the code from a bigger box?
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Additionally HP-UX, Linux, Solaris and recent releases of FreeBSD cycle back to zero after 497 days
That's because they store uptime as centiseconds in a 32-bit integer. Windows 95 (before service packs) had a bug that limited uptime to 49.7 days because its count of milliseconds since startup would wrap, and it wasn't prepared to handle that situation.
Will I retire or break 10K?
But can we get windows emulation with direct x support?
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Then some troll could get modded up by typing "f|r$7 p0$7"
Seems to me these boxes would be ideal for a bit of streaming - load the DVD in and away you go. Anybody doing that?
I actually run apache on my sharp zaurus, not to serve webpages, but to have a portable php/mysql web dev environment. It could be useful to have apache running on ps2 linux to just have a php dev environment, then when someone compiles binaries for mysql you could have a complete web dev environment.
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Uh, Apache (older version) was already ported to the PS2 with the PS2 Linux 1.0 distribution. IMHO, I don't see what the big deal is, especially being that the source doesn't require any modification to compile on the PS2.
As far as i'm concerned, i'd rather hear about developers porting over applications/libraries/new linux kernels which need modification to run on the PS2 architecture.
Costa Rica.
.a Playstation is only about $500.
I realized I was thinking of the Xbox..
If there's one thing that sucks to buy here it's electronics. Everyone just buys them from the states and sends them here.. way cheaper. It's rather silly.
I just have to second this emotion. My bother in laws servers are all PPC and I have been amazed at what they can do and take. He has three boxes, one is a 7500/100, the other is 8000 series of some sort, and the third is (I'm not making this up) an SE/30. In fact the SE/30 is up to 15 domains, and doesn't show any signs of stopping. I am completely shocked at how well it serves up web pages. It takes the thing like an hour and a half to boot, but it has NEVER crashed, and he has never had to do any repairs at all. He refuses to let anything but apple hardware into his house. This makes me really anxious to try the apple hardware that is actually MEANT to be a server. Mmmmm.... XServe...
Sigs are out of style, so I'm not going to use one...oh wait..
afaik thats a hard ceiling.
Yeah!!! Put that foot right into that bitch's ass. Dumb motherfucker can't be bothered to read the fucking article.
C-64s are still used by thousands (if not more) of people all over the world. There are several web servers on the internet running off of C-64s. There are graphical web browsers for C-64s. New software comes out all the time for C-64s.
Granted, the people who use C-64s for these purposes may be a little but crazy. I just use mine for video games.
If you'd like a smalltaste of the huge C-64 community, check out:
http://www.c64.org/ and nntp://comp.sys.cbm
Someone killed this guys download page :(
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