If somehow got my hands on a copy of the win2k source code, hacked it, and recompiled I would still need to pay for a license. It's not like you wrote the WHOLE THING. If it's true that there is SCO code in the Linux kernel, then distributing it for free is a violation of their copyright. Once you already have it though, they can't do all that much other bitch, just like MS can't really do all that much about my pirated copy of windows:P
If the allegations are totally legit, then what will most likely what will happen is Linux hackers will rewrite the bits of code that are copied. If SCO had released the pieces of code that were copied, it probably would have been done already.
Many observers believe SCO's case is bolstered by the fact that it is represented by high-powered attorney David Boies, who prosecuted the Microsoft antitrust case and represented Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election vote-counting scandal.
He also represented Napster. So far that's 0-3 loses (well, I guess he won the court battle with MS, but that didn't amount to a hill of beans).
If David Boies takes the case, it means you'll probably lose.
If you move from Verison to Sprint to Cingular, you could simply have Verison update their forwarder to your Cingular number, so no one would ever need more then two numbers. Also you could create newer, longer numbers which are only used to forward too, so your 515-555-1234 number could link to 999-004-1234567890 or something
A phone number isn't just a 'name' like DNS, it's more like an IP address that contains information on how to rout the call. A certain prefix is probably assigned to each company, so number portability might require 'forwarding' the calls to a new party.
It could cost a lot to change all the routing system to accommodate this. I also wouldn't be surprised if the phone companies kept this from being implemented for quite a while, until the FCC starts fining them or something.
The University's suit claimed that USL had failed in their obligation to provide due credit to the University for the use of BSD code in System V as required by the license that they had signed with the University. If the claim were found to be valid, the University asked that USL be forced to reprint all their documentation with the appropriate due credit added, to notify all their licensees of their oversight, and to run full-page advertisements in major publications such as The Wall Street Journal and Fortune magazine notifying the business world of their inadvertent oversight.
Soon after the filing in state court, USL was bought from AT&T by Novell. The CEO of Novell, Ray Noorda, stated publicly that he would rather compete in the marketplace than in court. By the summer of 1993, settlement talks had started. Unfortunately, the two sides had dug in so deep that the talks proceed slowly. With some further prodding by Ray Noorda on the USL side, many of the sticking points were removed and a settlement was finally reached in January 1994. The result was that three files were removed from the 18,000 that made up Networking Release 2, and a number of minor changes were made to other files. In addition, the University agreed to add USL copyrights to about 70 files, although those files continued to be freely redistributed.
Noorda isn't the CEO of Sco, but he founded Caldera, and I think he's involved in this little shananagan.
It's going to take months for this to wind through the courts. It's only been like another week.
The new aligations, of copied comments do seem pretty bad, though. I wonder how old the code in question is? If it's old, old, System V code from back when AT&T had it, then it's likely that it's been in linux for a long time and someone who didn't know any better put it there. On the other hand, if it's new "Open Server" code written by Caldera there could be a problem, but it seems unlikely that anyone would have put it in other then Caldera, since no one would have had access to it. (Other then IBM, which hasn't actualy put any code in the kernal itself)
Actualy. I doubt the SEC would be happy with a hostile takeover + mass firing of a smaller company in the midst of a larger company. Even if the smaller company was full of shit.
I really think momentum is moving away from microsoft these days, especialy outside of america. Maybe it's just that I read too much slashdot or something.
Nullsoft exists as a *brand* but that doesn't mean it still exists as an independent company. When Microsoft bought hotmail it ceased to exists as an independent company and the old CEO simply became an employee of Microsoft with an extra heapin' helping of stock. At first hotmail stayed pretty much the same, but eventually it shifted over and became more MSN-ee. But the outer appearance of had more to do with practicality then ownership.
It may be that null soft no longer exists as anything other then a trademark in AOLs portfolio. Since we aren't privy to the contracts signed, I wouldn't put too much faith in WASTE.
You were saying that a single employee can do whatever they want with the company IP, which is simply assinie. The thread had no point to begin with, other then to explain how you were wrong.
If you sign the contract, you're pretty much bound to it.
Actualy, that's not true. If the law says you have certan rights, then a signed contract can't take them away. You can't sell yourself into slavery, for example.
Well, maybe they only intended the patent to cover the spesific method they used, but there have been video-on-demand systems in the works for decades from companies like AT&T and the like. Dosn't anyone remember the whole 'information superhighway' thing that people talked about constantly back in the early 90s?
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By the way, I think it's intresting that pretty much the only application people could think of for the 'information superhighway' was video on demand. And shopping of course. The people behind this (Including Al Gore) only thought of people as information sinks. Brainless consumers shoveling down mindless entertainment and buying things. Pretty sad. Of course, big media companies would love that.
What sucks is that they are trying to make the internet, for a lot of people, into a system just like that. Consume only, and if you do make content they get to stick their adverts on it (like geocities).
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If somehow got my hands on a copy of the win2k source code, hacked it, and recompiled I would still need to pay for a license. It's not like you wrote the WHOLE THING. If it's true that there is SCO code in the Linux kernel, then distributing it for free is a violation of their copyright. Once you already have it though, they can't do all that much other bitch, just like MS can't really do all that much about my pirated copy of windows :P
If the allegations are totally legit, then what will most likely what will happen is Linux hackers will rewrite the bits of code that are copied. If SCO had released the pieces of code that were copied, it probably would have been done already.
Many observers believe SCO's case is bolstered by the fact that it is represented by high-powered attorney David Boies, who prosecuted the Microsoft antitrust case and represented Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election vote-counting scandal.
He also represented Napster. So far that's 0-3 loses (well, I guess he won the court battle with MS, but that didn't amount to a hill of beans).
If David Boies takes the case, it means you'll probably lose.
Who are these peoplesoft people? I've never heard of 'em.
What, has slashdot been ravaged by temperence fanatics?
I mean, I don't know many labs that are 100km long. I've heard of mile long labs at NASA or the NSA or somewhere, but not 100km.
Bleh, sorry for the lame joke, I'm drunk.
If you move from Verison to Sprint to Cingular, you could simply have Verison update their forwarder to your Cingular number, so no one would ever need more then two numbers. Also you could create newer, longer numbers which are only used to forward too, so your 515-555-1234 number could link to 999-004-1234567890 or something
A phone number isn't just a 'name' like DNS, it's more like an IP address that contains information on how to rout the call. A certain prefix is probably assigned to each company, so number portability might require 'forwarding' the calls to a new party.
It could cost a lot to change all the routing system to accommodate this. I also wouldn't be surprised if the phone companies kept this from being implemented for quite a while, until the FCC starts fining them or something.
from here:
The University's suit claimed that USL had failed in their obligation to provide due credit to the University for the use of BSD code in System V as required by the license that they had signed with the University. If the claim were found to be valid, the University asked that USL be forced to reprint all their documentation with the appropriate due credit added, to notify all their licensees of their oversight, and to run full-page advertisements in major publications such as The Wall Street Journal and Fortune magazine notifying the business world of their inadvertent oversight. Soon after the filing in state court, USL was bought from AT&T by Novell. The CEO of Novell, Ray Noorda, stated publicly that he would rather compete in the marketplace than in court. By the summer of 1993, settlement talks had started. Unfortunately, the two sides had dug in so deep that the talks proceed slowly. With some further prodding by Ray Noorda on the USL side, many of the sticking points were removed and a settlement was finally reached in January 1994. The result was that three files were removed from the 18,000 that made up Networking Release 2, and a number of minor changes were made to other files. In addition, the University agreed to add USL copyrights to about 70 files, although those files continued to be freely redistributed.
Noorda isn't the CEO of Sco, but he founded Caldera, and I think he's involved in this little shananagan.
that's almost the exact same text as the cringly article.
It's going to take months for this to wind through the courts. It's only been like another week.
The new aligations, of copied comments do seem pretty bad, though. I wonder how old the code in question is? If it's old, old, System V code from back when AT&T had it, then it's likely that it's been in linux for a long time and someone who didn't know any better put it there. On the other hand, if it's new "Open Server" code written by Caldera there could be a problem, but it seems unlikely that anyone would have put it in other then Caldera, since no one would have had access to it. (Other then IBM, which hasn't actualy put any code in the kernal itself)
Actualy. I doubt the SEC would be happy with a hostile takeover + mass firing of a smaller company in the midst of a larger company. Even if the smaller company was full of shit.
I'd be happy with Trusted computing as long as I got to be the one who did the trusting, not some outside entity.
I really think momentum is moving away from microsoft these days, especialy outside of america. Maybe it's just that I read too much slashdot or something.
keep in mind the GPL allows for internal use of modified software without releasing the source code.
Slashdot featured a story recently with the half naked jailbait who used to model for that software. Totally unrelated.
Yeah, the daughter of the CEO. The claim was it was named after her (Amiee).
Nullsoft exists as a *brand* but that doesn't mean it still exists as an independent company. When Microsoft bought hotmail it ceased to exists as an independent company and the old CEO simply became an employee of Microsoft with an extra heapin' helping of stock. At first hotmail stayed pretty much the same, but eventually it shifted over and became more MSN-ee. But the outer appearance of had more to do with practicality then ownership.
It may be that null soft no longer exists as anything other then a trademark in AOLs portfolio. Since we aren't privy to the contracts signed, I wouldn't put too much faith in WASTE.
You were saying that a single employee can do whatever they want with the company IP, which is simply assinie. The thread had no point to begin with, other then to explain how you were wrong.
If you sign the contract, you're pretty much bound to it.
Actualy, that's not true. If the law says you have certan rights, then a signed contract can't take them away. You can't sell yourself into slavery, for example.
given AOL's nearly 80% drop in price. He sold the company for $86 mil, and got to take home $20, divided among the original stockholders.
First everything on the internet became something on the 'web'. Now everything on the web is a blog. Wonderful.
Well, maybe they only intended the patent to cover the spesific method they used, but there have been video-on-demand systems in the works for decades from companies like AT&T and the like. Dosn't anyone remember the whole 'information superhighway' thing that people talked about constantly back in the early 90s?
<rant type="tangental">
By the way, I think it's intresting that pretty much the only application people could think of for the 'information superhighway' was video on demand. And shopping of course. The people behind this (Including Al Gore) only thought of people as information sinks. Brainless consumers shoveling down mindless entertainment and buying things. Pretty sad. Of course, big media companies would love that.
What sucks is that they are trying to make the internet, for a lot of people, into a system just like that. Consume only, and if you do make content they get to stick their adverts on it (like geocities).
Oh well
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To me it seems like reloaded and revolutions are really just two halvs of a 4 hour movie. Maybe when the second one comes out it'll make more sense.
It would have been better if the two had been made as discreet wholes, meant to stand on their own.
Is anyone intrested in starwars anymore? After the last two bricks, I doubt anyone would care about the third. I certanly have no intention going
So now people will be able to get to know other people in the same physical place with them.
Truly revolutionary!
How in the hell is this off topic?