Ok, sorry, I obviously wasn't clear. I meant, what if some sort of program was written to remove said EULA dialog? If the dialog was not presented at all. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
If someone was to program some sort of work around, so that the EULA dialog box was circumvented, i.e. it didn't appear but the program still installed, would it apply? By not clicking OK would the agreement still stand? Is it only legally applicable once the EULA has been agreed to? How can a company be certain you have agreed to it? Is installing the software enough? "I agree", "I don't agree", "Skip this bit". "I didn't click but I've installed it, the agreement isn't binding". I suppose its probably just 'piracy'.
You offensive, intolerant, bigotted little person.
Just because someone decides they like something different to you, something that in no way impinges on your own personal liberty, you decide to deride it?
Well sorry, Mr Holier-than-thou, but I think you need to take a step back and really contemplate what is more distasteful: a pierced, rap-listening shop-assistant and the music shop that provides a few extra services, or your bile-ridden outburst.
I do hope you were just trolling.
btw, I am not a big fan of rap music, fancy record shops selling muffins, or piercings, but I'd rather spend time listening to "incessant warbling up and down the scales and complaining to a drumbeat" with a "guy wearing lipstick wearing earrings. In his face." while eating "candy" than spend time in your narrow-minded, hate-filled world.
Let us not forget that an ice-age will trap valuable freshwater that could otherwise be raining down on crops in the form of glaciers.
Ye gads! Its raining glaciers!;)
Recalling what I learnt in my envi sci degree... Europe, and to some extent the US Eastern seaboard, is a good deal warmer than it should be, due mainly to the Gulf Stream bringing lots of lovely warmth up from the tropics, bless it. Now, the Gulf Stream is part of the oceans natural circulations, moving warm light water northwards and cold dense water southwards. It is known as the North-Atlantic Conveyer in the, er, North Atlantic and is, as I said, the bringer of warmth and goodness (including odd things like coconuts - the west coast of Scotland has some decidely out of place tropical plants...).
Off the Eastern coast of Canada there is place where cold, dense water sinks and warm, less-dense water rises - giving up some of its heat to the atmosphere. However, if the glaciers on greenland and Canada continue to melt, then the waters at the cold-down, warm-up point of the Conveyer will become a hellofa lot less salty, inhibiting their sinkiness and preventing the warmer water rising up from below. No more warm water rising, Europe gets cold. Voilá! Ice age. *bows*
Studies have suggested that this has happened before, on a timescale of ~50 years.
Oh, and I really think machines to eat CO2 is a bad idea, I would have hoped people would have learnt by now - we are not quite as clever as we think. Leave the whole regulating-the-planet's-systems thing to that which knows best, the planet.
Yeah, I used to have an image of the "world-by-night" on my desktop. It would (and still does) give me pause for thought. Mainly, that thought would be "I'm going to go turn off all the lights and sit in the dark for a while". Its the only image I have seen that really kicks home how we have spread, what a great impact we have made on our home.
Have you ever been to a place far from civilisation and looked up on a cloudless night? It really instills a sense of wonder in me; no other spectacle can make me feel so humble. It beats any work of art I have seen, any sight on earth.
It seems to me that, staring up at the stars, early man would have felt something similar and would, maybe, have got to thinking...
If you're a U.S. citizen, now is the time to act. If you're not a U.S. citizen, forward this to a U.S. citizen you know.
Its a shame, as I think this has gravity for the rest of the world. Guess the best we 'UKians' (thats an evil word, apologise;-) can do is keep informing the rest of the population of our Isles that they _do_ have a choice, and it is theirs to make.
Indeed. There are no perfect, smoothly efficient social/political/economic systems. Socialism has its problems, liberalism has its problems, capitalism, religion, youth clubs, families, groups of friends in a bar. All come with inherent difficulties. Would you really want a life that was totally happy? Would you even notice that you were happy if you were always? There is nothing like pain to make you appreciate happiness. Accept each moment as it comes, make the best you can from them and you will move beyond both and be...content.
It's amazing that one of these lazy bastards wrote an essay, but he might have been better off doing some paid work.
Actually, this is an opinion stated by economists, capitalist and socialist alike. It is accepted as true. Go get a book on the theory of capitalism. If you actually read the article...
How willing are you to pay $500 for a printer that currently costs $125?
I would be quite content to pay $500 (£ in the lands I hail from) if it meant that people around me were a little happier. Happy people are healthier, physically and mentally; miserable people get sick easier. expand this to societies...see?
I always attempt to buy good quality products that I know will last, even if they cost a good deal more. Before you say it, no, I only earn average wage, so I cannot afford to buy luxury items - I save and have patience, something sorely lacking in a world were it is all nownownow, cheapcheapcheap, moremoremore.
Capitalist economies require a pool of unemployed workers to allow for continued growth. Full employment is bad news for such a system. Read this page for further details.
On unemployment it says that it is a necessary condition for a capitalist system, as long as it doesn't get too high - it is upto the individual to find employment and change their status. Capitalism is economic individualism.
Should society look after the people or should the people look after themselves?
I think, as in all things, balance is required.
As a side note, I was watching BBC news this morning while eating my breakfast, and on it was some ex-security service bloke discussing this Mr Reid computer matter. What he wanted to know was, why weren't the first people into Kabul (or wherever) the CIA or some other agency, "retrieving all this security-related material" (paraphrasing) rather than letting journalists get to it first. He suggested that most of the material is in someway planted. What this means, I dunno, INACT (I'm Not A Conspiracy Theorist;)
As to the advertising revenue, do these morons really think I buy anything because I saw it on TV?
I think these morons think that the other 99.9% of the population (the general morons, er, i mean public) will buy something if they see it on TV. Why do you think billions is spent on advertising each year? If it didn't work they wouldn't do it...
Being a newbie programmer so having never used a bug tracker, I would like to make this (probably redundant) point:
What this document highlights more than anything is that kernel developers are drowning in bug reports because linux kernel bugs are reported in an informal format on the mailing list. Get a proper bug tracking system and it will be much easier to keep track of real bugs.
Would something similar to Slashdot not be of use? Submit a bug and have it modded by the developers? This would allow the more important bugs (5, fatal) to be tackled by those more suited, while us beginners could perhaps have a go at the lower modded ones (1, cosmetic; 2, minor). Or am I speaking of something already done?
Ok. These guys are are motivated purely by greed; their primary motivation isn't to sell a useful and thoughtful product because "hey, this piece of software might really benefit the customer", they do it to make money. If the product also happens to be in some way useful, fine, nice side-effect. Free-software on the other hand is not a high income business, thus there is little revenue to pour back into marketing, the keenest tool in the proprietary producers bag of tricks. Products are sold not on the amount of spin churned out by the marketing and sales departments or the total number of man hours of advertising, but rather on word of mouth of the usefulness of the product - the level of benefit that the product returns. Therefore, the free-software producer has no choice but to develop a good product, s/he does not have the resources to shine up the shite, to make that that isn't gold glitter.
Large corporations, and I apply this to all, be they software producers or makers of automobiles, sell the marketing devices, the glistening sounds of a thousand adverts, TV plugs by some favourite celebrity (who function in much the same way) or the latest buzzword that they have implemented as a feature.
To this end people should stop and think beforebuying from a large corporation. Those of less knowledge, for which they should not be faulted (it is hard to hear a few voices speaking sensibly through a multitude babbling incoherently), should be encouraged, by those who do have the knowledge of FS, to at least try the alternatives. If they do not like it, fair enough, but if they do they will have rid themselves of ties to a system built on gossamer ideals and joined a community that believes in support for products that have depth and produce benefits that far outweigh their costs.
Finally, though these products cost nothing to 'buy', if the user finds they are beneficial, it seems only fair to reciprocate and give something back. Whether its a small donation of money or a random hardware part, help with coding a project or a writing the docs, or even just a plain ol' thanks, each and every return pushes the community forward.
Damn right! If we don't ensure that the kids fight against the evil piracy, protecting the democratic ideals of intellectual property and inflated prices enforced on captive markets, then Microsoft wouldn't be able to make $2.41 billion profit in three months. Where would be then? How could we call ourselves morally sound if a single company couldn't make more money per year than many countries around the world, e.g. Albania? (No Mr Bush, its in SE Europe, not just outside Vermont;)
So come on people! Its important to ensure that we crack down on those who cannot afford to buy ridiculously overpriced products, otherwise the rich won't carry on getting richer, and the poor won't be further enslaved to products they don't need but have be told to want.
Seriously though, it is times like this that are the perfect opportunity for the free-software advocates to get out there and push their product. Dammit, advertise, promote, market - let the common Joe or Jane know how they can break their bonds and join a community that ins't there to fleece them for every penny, but to try offer a more fulfilling alternative. And yes, money can and should be made from open source, but there is a difference between making money and gathering a treasure trove dragon-like.
I would love to see Mr Gates and ask him, "why are you collecting so much money? What are your motivations? Do you really believe you are Smaug?"
Oh, I'm British btw, so I probably should just shut up, but I do the same here: everyone I talk to about software i try to explain the benefits of OSS. I hope I am slowly getting through.
~Dan
--Fools going past what they need running after what they want. -- TK
No fair! How come the bad guys get to be called the Alliance? We're the rebels dammit! Bah, next thing someone will tell me N'Sync use Linux and are writing a handy little tool under the GPL...
Linux isn't difficult, its just different. Sure, there are a million and one options that can be customised, dammit, the kernel can be customised, but how many people will? Windows has lots of customisable options, nowhere near as many obviously, but how many Joe or Jane users will even touch them? At least in Linux the option is there. Ok, I digress.
My point is this: Linux is just a different way of doing things; like changing from one company to another introduces you to new practices even if the end result is the same, so Linux requires the user to learn a new way of performing tasks that are, in principal, no different to those done on a windows machine. Its just a matter of applying yourself to the new method. Sure the learning curve is steeper, but only if you want to really immerse yourself in Linux - all the basic applications are there, like in Win**, happily presented on the desktop so that the user can amble along doing there spreadsheets, writing nice letters to cousin Bob, whatever, without even needing to know what a pipe is or the format for an.rc file.
Its only the lack of fully developed, J. User-orientated applications that holds it back. Give it a few years and there is no reason why Linux cannot compete.
Ok, if i have read this right, the FBI will implant a trojan by sending a virus over the internet. Does this mean that it spreads like a virus? If so, then excuse me Mr. FBI agent sir, I am british, a sizeable portion of the internet is not american and as far as I can see, releasing a virus with a trojan attached into the internet, especially one as sinister as this is downright unethical and surely has to be a breach of international law (then again, isnt releasing a virus illegal? Oh, wait, these are the 'good' guys)
If this gets near to law over your side of the pond, I shall certainly be voicing my opinion to my government. I suggest the rest of the internet does the same.
Does anyone else find the whole 'childhood-fantasy-world-made-real' thing a little daunting?
Please, please, please, please let it be good.
Arggh, the angst!
Hold on a second, its just a film of a book, isnt it..?
Seriously, its looking good with the premise that it never could be a faithful adaptation of The Book. If people are willing to let their own preconceptions fade into the background (and hell, Tolkien would probably think no better of our idea of the book anyway - I always got the impression he did it as an intellectual excercise for himself, not to please the masses), then the film would probably be a fine epic in its own right.
Ho hum, guess we will just have to wait and see...
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Ok, sorry, I obviously wasn't clear. I meant, what if some sort of program was written to remove said EULA dialog? If the dialog was not presented at all. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I was just wondering...
If someone was to program some sort of work around, so that the EULA dialog box was circumvented, i.e. it didn't appear but the program still installed, would it apply? By not clicking OK would the agreement still stand? Is it only legally applicable once the EULA has been agreed to? How can a company be certain you have agreed to it? Is installing the software enough? "I agree", "I don't agree", "Skip this bit". "I didn't click but I've installed it, the agreement isn't binding". I suppose its probably just 'piracy'.
Thoughts?
Just because someone decides they like something different to you, something that in no way impinges on your own personal liberty, you decide to deride it?
Well sorry, Mr Holier-than-thou, but I think you need to take a step back and really contemplate what is more distasteful: a pierced, rap-listening shop-assistant and the music shop that provides a few extra services, or your bile-ridden outburst.
I do hope you were just trolling.
btw, I am not a big fan of rap music, fancy record shops selling muffins, or piercings, but I'd rather spend time listening to "incessant warbling up and down the scales and complaining to a drumbeat" with a "guy wearing lipstick wearing earrings. In his face." while eating "candy" than spend time in your narrow-minded, hate-filled world.
And for goodness sake, bold italics..?
*goes to lie down*
Ye gads! Its raining glaciers! ;)
Recalling what I learnt in my envi sci degree... Europe, and to some extent the US Eastern seaboard, is a good deal warmer than it should be, due mainly to the Gulf Stream bringing lots of lovely warmth up from the tropics, bless it. Now, the Gulf Stream is part of the oceans natural circulations, moving warm light water northwards and cold dense water southwards. It is known as the North-Atlantic Conveyer in the, er, North Atlantic and is, as I said, the bringer of warmth and goodness (including odd things like coconuts - the west coast of Scotland has some decidely out of place tropical plants...).
Off the Eastern coast of Canada there is place where cold, dense water sinks and warm, less-dense water rises - giving up some of its heat to the atmosphere. However, if the glaciers on greenland and Canada continue to melt, then the waters at the cold-down, warm-up point of the Conveyer will become a hellofa lot less salty, inhibiting their sinkiness and preventing the warmer water rising up from below. No more warm water rising, Europe gets cold. Voilá! Ice age. *bows*
Studies have suggested that this has happened before, on a timescale of ~50 years.
Oh, and I really think machines to eat CO2 is a bad idea, I would have hoped people would have learnt by now - we are not quite as clever as we think. Leave the whole regulating-the-planet's-systems thing to that which knows best, the planet.
p.s. I'm from Britain, so put put out those flames.
p.p.s I think the whole thing is a troll anyway: Heathcote Hobbins. What sort of crazy name is that?
What? Hobbes the tiger _is_ a philosopher
Have you ever been to a place far from civilisation and looked up on a cloudless night? It really instills a sense of wonder in me; no other spectacle can make me feel so humble. It beats any work of art I have seen, any sight on earth.
It seems to me that, staring up at the stars, early man would have felt something similar and would, maybe, have got to thinking...
The news is spreading far and wide: the Reg has it as a story!
Once more, goodd luck to you both, may your union be a happy one :)
~D
Actually, this is an opinion stated by economists, capitalist and socialist alike. It is accepted as true. Go get a book on the theory of capitalism. If you actually read the article...
How willing are you to pay $500 for a printer that currently costs $125?
I would be quite content to pay $500 (£ in the lands I hail from) if it meant that people around me were a little happier. Happy people are healthier, physically and mentally; miserable people get sick easier. expand this to societies...see?
I always attempt to buy good quality products that I know will last, even if they cost a good deal more. Before you say it, no, I only earn average wage, so I cannot afford to buy luxury items - I save and have patience, something sorely lacking in a world were it is all nownownow, cheapcheapcheap, moremoremore.
On unemployment it says that it is a necessary condition for a capitalist system, as long as it doesn't get too high - it is upto the individual to find employment and change their status. Capitalism is economic individualism.
Should society look after the people or should the people look after themselves? I think, as in all things, balance is required.
~D
I think these morons think that the other 99.9% of the population (the general morons, er, i mean public) will buy something if they see it on TV. Why do you think billions is spent on advertising each year? If it didn't work they wouldn't do it...
~D
What this document highlights more than anything is that kernel developers are drowning in bug reports because linux kernel bugs are reported in an informal format on the mailing list. Get a proper bug tracking system and it will be much easier to keep track of real bugs.
Would something similar to Slashdot not be of use? Submit a bug and have it modded by the developers? This would allow the more important bugs (5, fatal) to be tackled by those more suited, while us beginners could perhaps have a go at the lower modded ones (1, cosmetic; 2, minor). Or am I speaking of something already done?
~D
Large corporations, and I apply this to all, be they software producers or makers of automobiles, sell the marketing devices, the glistening sounds of a thousand adverts, TV plugs by some favourite celebrity (who function in much the same way) or the latest buzzword that they have implemented as a feature.
To this end people should stop and think beforebuying from a large corporation. Those of less knowledge, for which they should not be faulted (it is hard to hear a few voices speaking sensibly through a multitude babbling incoherently), should be encouraged, by those who do have the knowledge of FS, to at least try the alternatives. If they do not like it, fair enough, but if they do they will have rid themselves of ties to a system built on gossamer ideals and joined a community that believes in support for products that have depth and produce benefits that far outweigh their costs.
Finally, though these products cost nothing to 'buy', if the user finds they are beneficial, it seems only fair to reciprocate and give something back. Whether its a small donation of money or a random hardware part, help with coding a project or a writing the docs, or even just a plain ol' thanks, each and every return pushes the community forward.
~D
fsf-europe
debian uk
So come on people! Its important to ensure that we crack down on those who cannot afford to buy ridiculously overpriced products, otherwise the rich won't carry on getting richer, and the poor won't be further enslaved to products they don't need but have be told to want.
Seriously though, it is times like this that are the perfect opportunity for the free-software advocates to get out there and push their product. Dammit, advertise, promote, market - let the common Joe or Jane know how they can break their bonds and join a community that ins't there to fleece them for every penny, but to try offer a more fulfilling alternative. And yes, money can and should be made from open source, but there is a difference between making money and gathering a treasure trove dragon-like.
I would love to see Mr Gates and ask him, "why are you collecting so much money? What are your motivations? Do you really believe you are Smaug?"
Oh, I'm British btw, so I probably should just shut up, but I do the same here: everyone I talk to about software i try to explain the benefits of OSS. I hope I am slowly getting through.
~Dan
--Fools going past what they need running after what they want. -- TK
~Dan
My point is this: Linux is just a different way of doing things; like changing from one company to another introduces you to new practices even if the end result is the same, so Linux requires the user to learn a new way of performing tasks that are, in principal, no different to those done on a windows machine. Its just a matter of applying yourself to the new method. Sure the learning curve is steeper, but only if you want to really immerse yourself in Linux - all the basic applications are there, like in Win**, happily presented on the desktop so that the user can amble along doing there spreadsheets, writing nice letters to cousin Bob, whatever, without even needing to know what a pipe is or the format for an
Its only the lack of fully developed, J. User-orientated applications that holds it back. Give it a few years and there is no reason why Linux cannot compete.
-- Dan
bah, i thought i had logged in...
If this gets near to law over your side of the pond, I shall certainly be voicing my opinion to my government. I suggest the rest of the internet does the same.
p.s I thought the Bashi film was terrible.
Please, please, please, please let it be good.
Arggh, the angst!
Hold on a second, its just a film of a book, isnt it..?
Seriously, its looking good with the premise that it never could be a faithful adaptation of The Book. If people are willing to let their own preconceptions fade into the background (and hell, Tolkien would probably think no better of our idea of the book anyway - I always got the impression he did it as an intellectual excercise for himself, not to please the masses), then the film would probably be a fine epic in its own right.
Ho hum, guess we will just have to wait and see...
Oh, no, wait - this is the media, my mistake.