not to troll, as these posts are increasingly considered, but Gentoo does exactly that as far as the latest install stuff as well as making it really easy to update to the latest and supposedly greatest versions of the programs.
does it help if i am from a country that does not speak english natively? either way, i use lowercase by default because i program and it is a habit. he should use spelling because he is a journalist. there is a difference.
well, many of those I have run into in the gentoo community do in fact make ebuilds themselves. Theres also a number of things you can emerge that require work to set up, so rather than wrangling with bad compile instructions you can spend your time learning the parts that matter rather than the parts that can only be attributed to either non-compatibility with your distro or outdated documentation anyhow. This is not to say you are entirely wrong, just that the learning doesn't come from the same places it does in other distros.
well, thanks for the cut and paste, but that relates to basically nothing I said in parent. Because your post was so amusingly idiotic, i will of course respond.
NetBSD rules! Anyway, Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
NetBSD is not my preference, Gentoo is simply an easier way of going about a linux from scratch source-approach than the actual LFS system is, and has a thriving community willing to help the less knowledgeable.
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
I rarely update my system. I do it whenever I either have some downtime, or will be away from my computer for a significant amount of time, like if I have a busy weekend coming up. (yes, I do actually do things other than use my computer.)
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
Idealism doesn't even enter into it. Yes, I program. No, I haven't contributed to any released opensource projects yet but I do have some things in the works. Nothing earth-shattering, as most of those are either in the works or I am not at that level of skill yet. I do not proclaim l33tness before the n00bs, nor do I consider myself to be particularly knowledgeable apart from areas I have worked on myself.
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
Not a sentence of this applied to me. I have used Debian, Red Flag, Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware, tinfoil hat, hal99 or whatever, and core linux. I found Gentoo to be a better fit for my needs, and also was better at handling dependency checks than the alternatives.
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and.debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
Perhaps my machine spends more time compiling, but I spend more time not having to deal with it compiling. Portage does it for me, when I am not at my computer anyhow. I don't see how this is a logical arguement at all. You must use Windows XP. And I do use FluxBox, but its a matter of preference.
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
Actually I roll my own. hand picked parts, good fans, good quality power supplies and drives, and yes I run AMD but no it's not out of Intel hatred. Also, I don't overclock.
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH.rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."
Not true. I successfully used Red Hat without such problems for about a year. I found its defaults wanting. The best part of Gentoo for me is customization from the start at low l
since when do we care what RMS thinks about what we call our OS? At this point Linux is enough. GNU/Linux is just going to confuse the hell out of Joe Executive who is going to demand studies about how this is different from regular Linux.
I think it's great. Carrying a gun means that there is a much lower chance that anybody will want to commit crimes around me, or attempt to steal my wallet. While I would prefer carrying a sword, carrying a gun is far more effective when the criminals have guns anyhow.
say what you like but i am far more likely to trust a man with no capitalization than one without spelling skills, especially if the one who cannot spell is working as a journalist.
hm. funky...if i had means i would check out your current setup and see whats up. if you remind me later and give me all the info i need, I can try doing a config for you or perhaps compile and send it to you
your reply is ignorant. I couldn't care less whether his demands are being met. If he wants it, he can do it. I like/etc,/home,/var, and their ilk exactly where they are.
seems great on my dual Pentium Pro. one of the nice things about Gentoo is you roll your own kernel and all the programs are compiled by source using your custom set of options, so SMP support is no worse than it would be in the kernel itself overall.
1: the stuff he says on the first page is basically a bunch of static linkx that can be done easily.
2: You cannot have a Gentoo style community unless you are a distro that caters to people who are willing to go to great lengths to learn more about their OS and computer hardware.
3: the one desktop environment is stupid. Thats one of the reasons I switched from windows, that their desktop environment is idiotic, especially in the same paragraph as talking about how linux offers choice.
4: installers are not necessary. try making a gui frontend to Gentoo's emerge/portage if you want a good install system. Not only does it download and update, but it also works. really well.
5: this asshat cannot spell bruce perens' last name. I am supposed to trust him with my OS? *cackles*
not to echo Linus or anything, he sounds like his objective os to combat microsoft on the desktop. I think personally that it is far better to exceed or be superior to Microsoft for technical reasons more than market share reasons. Besides...last time I checked the average non-poweruser on windows is just as lost as they would be in KDE, for example, if not more. And were said powerusers not almost all gamers, they'd likely find KDE superior if they gave it a chance (to compare similar DE's).
this is true, but i was responding to a guy who has a score 0 so hes below threshhold...thats what those posts you arent reading say. sorry for the confusion
on a UN note, the UN should be demolished. Its like a house where the foundation is bad and the house isnt much better. you are better off tearing it down and building a house that doesnt suck from the start.
i admit it wasnt very coherent, but to simplify the post:
Any country where many of the areas have made it law that children must wear helmets on bicycles has afar too little of a grasp on reality than is necessary to be the most powerful nation in the world. If we cannot handle parenting our own damn kids, we cannot play world cop.
i agree, but i was not talking specifically about you but rather to people who choose to "interpret" the words of the founding fathers rather than read them as is. It is a dangerous thing, to take the words of a deceased man and claim they don't mean what it says word for word.
These "views" were those expressed by the authors of the founding documents of our nation, and views expressed by the majority (as well as our elected leadership and judicial bodies) over the last 200+ years.
I will not argue that this is untrue, but I maintain that the reason the founding documents were phrased as they were was to prevent each further generation from taking them as more and more restrictable as time goes on, and to prevent creative interpretation. Let us say that someone in the day of the founding fathers found that locks in common usage were not functioning properly, and that there were many thieves in the area. Would they support this blocking of their right to speak out about it? never. That is the issue at hand in the article. Same goes for a crowded theatre...I believe the risk involved in not shouting that there is a fire if you believe there is a fire to be greater than the risk in a properly built building with appropriate exits in place is much greater than the risk of shouting fire, and one should not have to weigh the consequences of doing so if he believes it to be on fire.
While your words do ring true in places, they still ignore a fundamental element in the situation, which is known as being misinformed. If I do not know that I am wrong, am I to be charged under law for this? it violates one of the basic elements of a crime, as per the criminal justice system's basic elements of a crime. One of these elements is that it had to be intentional. While this may not be related to the topic of the article, I believe it to be fundamental to refuting some of your arguement. Yes, I believe that kids yelling it for entertainment is a bad thing. But if there can be any doubt as to the motive of those who did it, then there can be no crime under these basic rules of what constitutes a crime.
you just illustrated a perfect example of why the United States does not deserver their superpower status. becuase americans have become lazy stupid bastards. Until they realize that they need to fight for their rights, they need to stop depending on the government to pick up where their lack of ability to be self-sufficient and decent people leaves off and let those of us who fight for our civil rights do our job as citizens
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not to troll, as these posts are increasingly considered, but Gentoo does exactly that as far as the latest install stuff as well as making it really easy to update to the latest and supposedly greatest versions of the programs.
does it help if i am from a country that does not speak english natively? either way, i use lowercase by default because i program and it is a habit. he should use spelling because he is a journalist. there is a difference.
well, many of those I have run into in the gentoo community do in fact make ebuilds themselves. Theres also a number of things you can emerge that require work to set up, so rather than wrangling with bad compile instructions you can spend your time learning the parts that matter rather than the parts that can only be attributed to either non-compatibility with your distro or outdated documentation anyhow. This is not to say you are entirely wrong, just that the learning doesn't come from the same places it does in other distros.
well, thanks for the cut and paste, but that relates to basically nothing I said in parent. Because your post was so amusingly idiotic, i will of course respond.
.debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
.rpms together on the command line, and that problems hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't designed for)."
NetBSD rules! Anyway, Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
NetBSD is not my preference, Gentoo is simply an easier way of going about a linux from scratch source-approach than the actual LFS system is, and has a thriving community willing to help the less knowledgeable.
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
I rarely update my system. I do it whenever I either have some downtime, or will be away from my computer for a significant amount of time, like if I have a busy weekend coming up. (yes, I do actually do things other than use my computer.)
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
Idealism doesn't even enter into it. Yes, I program. No, I haven't contributed to any released opensource projects yet but I do have some things in the works. Nothing earth-shattering, as most of those are either in the works or I am not at that level of skill yet. I do not proclaim l33tness before the n00bs, nor do I consider myself to be particularly knowledgeable apart from areas I have worked on myself.
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
Not a sentence of this applied to me. I have used Debian, Red Flag, Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware, tinfoil hat, hal99 or whatever, and core linux. I found Gentoo to be a better fit for my needs, and also was better at handling dependency checks than the alternatives.
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and
Perhaps my machine spends more time compiling, but I spend more time not having to deal with it compiling. Portage does it for me, when I am not at my computer anyhow. I don't see how this is a logical arguement at all. You must use Windows XP. And I do use FluxBox, but its a matter of preference.
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
Actually I roll my own. hand picked parts, good fans, good quality power supplies and drives, and yes I run AMD but no it's not out of Intel hatred. Also, I don't overclock.
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH
Not true. I successfully used Red Hat without such problems for about a year. I found its defaults wanting. The best part of Gentoo for me is customization from the start at low l
since when do we care what RMS thinks about what we call our OS? At this point Linux is enough. GNU/Linux is just going to confuse the hell out of Joe Executive who is going to demand studies about how this is different from regular Linux.
I think it's great. Carrying a gun means that there is a much lower chance that anybody will want to commit crimes around me, or attempt to steal my wallet. While I would prefer carrying a sword, carrying a gun is far more effective when the criminals have guns anyhow.
say what you like but i am far more likely to trust a man with no capitalization than one without spelling skills, especially if the one who cannot spell is working as a journalist.
hm. funky...if i had means i would check out your current setup and see whats up. if you remind me later and give me all the info i need, I can try doing a config for you or perhaps compile and send it to you
your reply is ignorant. I couldn't care less whether his demands are being met. If he wants it, he can do it. I like /etc, /home, /var, and their ilk exactly where they are.
seems great on my dual Pentium Pro. one of the nice things about Gentoo is you roll your own kernel and all the programs are compiled by source using your custom set of options, so SMP support is no worse than it would be in the kernel itself overall.
heres why:
1: the stuff he says on the first page is basically a bunch of static linkx that can be done easily.
2: You cannot have a Gentoo style community unless you are a distro that caters to people who are willing to go to great lengths to learn more about their OS and computer hardware.
3: the one desktop environment is stupid. Thats one of the reasons I switched from windows, that their desktop environment is idiotic, especially in the same paragraph as talking about how linux offers choice.
4: installers are not necessary. try making a gui frontend to Gentoo's emerge/portage if you want a good install system. Not only does it download and update, but it also works. really well.
5: this asshat cannot spell bruce perens' last name. I am supposed to trust him with my OS? *cackles*
not to echo Linus or anything, he sounds like his objective os to combat microsoft on the desktop. I think personally that it is far better to exceed or be superior to Microsoft for technical reasons more than market share reasons. Besides...last time I checked the average non-poweruser on windows is just as lost as they would be in KDE, for example, if not more. And were said powerusers not almost all gamers, they'd likely find KDE superior if they gave it a chance (to compare similar DE's).
my $.02
Gentoo. Customize as much as you want. most of his first page can be taken care of with static links anyhow.
make sure you uncheck the correct DRM box if you want Direct Rendering Manager to run on your voodoo card...
well put. i love the mx series, though i got the mx 300 so the shape would be the same at home and at work.
Well, not to state the obvious, but as a communist weapon, the AK-47 is of course opensource...
Last I checked, the official TF2 site says it is coming out in December 2001...boy, I can't wait till then!
this is true, but i was responding to a guy who has a score 0 so hes below threshhold...thats what those posts you arent reading say. sorry for the confusion
it may be the name of an enemy in an old video game, but i doubt the company would mind the attention if anyone remembered where its from...
i agree on all counts.
on a UN note, the UN should be demolished. Its like a house where the foundation is bad and the house isnt much better. you are better off tearing it down and building a house that doesnt suck from the start.
i admit it wasnt very coherent, but to simplify the post:
Any country where many of the areas have made it law that children must wear helmets on bicycles has afar too little of a grasp on reality than is necessary to be the most powerful nation in the world. If we cannot handle parenting our own damn kids, we cannot play world cop.
not using/paying for SCO products and recommending that others also not do so is probably your best bet
i think its one of those things that nobody likes but companies make anyway, kind of like circus peanuts.
I think you can draw a parallel between the states-rights issue in the US and what you're talking about on a global scale.
I don't. I think the UN is bullshit and that it is likely the US will pull out before allowing anthing of the sort.
You are drawing some extreme generalizations
i agree, but i was not talking specifically about you but rather to people who choose to "interpret" the words of the founding fathers rather than read them as is. It is a dangerous thing, to take the words of a deceased man and claim they don't mean what it says word for word.
These "views" were those expressed by the authors of the founding documents of our nation, and views expressed by the majority (as well as our elected leadership and judicial bodies) over the last 200+ years.
I will not argue that this is untrue, but I maintain that the reason the founding documents were phrased as they were was to prevent each further generation from taking them as more and more restrictable as time goes on, and to prevent creative interpretation. Let us say that someone in the day of the founding fathers found that locks in common usage were not functioning properly, and that there were many thieves in the area. Would they support this blocking of their right to speak out about it? never. That is the issue at hand in the article. Same goes for a crowded theatre...I believe the risk involved in not shouting that there is a fire if you believe there is a fire to be greater than the risk in a properly built building with appropriate exits in place is much greater than the risk of shouting fire, and one should not have to weigh the consequences of doing so if he believes it to be on fire.
While your words do ring true in places, they still ignore a fundamental element in the situation, which is known as being misinformed. If I do not know that I am wrong, am I to be charged under law for this? it violates one of the basic elements of a crime, as per the criminal justice system's basic elements of a crime. One of these elements is that it had to be intentional. While this may not be related to the topic of the article, I believe it to be fundamental to refuting some of your arguement. Yes, I believe that kids yelling it for entertainment is a bad thing. But if there can be any doubt as to the motive of those who did it, then there can be no crime under these basic rules of what constitutes a crime.
you just illustrated a perfect example of why the United States does not deserver their superpower status. becuase americans have become lazy stupid bastards. Until they realize that they need to fight for their rights, they need to stop depending on the government to pick up where their lack of ability to be self-sufficient and decent people leaves off and let those of us who fight for our civil rights do our job as citizens