Kernel needed, as GNU project kernel not finished...... along comes Linux kernel, under GPL.
GNU project could have just taken this as their official kernel, but they'd put too much work into Hurd to stop really, and Hurd is a better design, so they choose GNU/Linux, to offer credit to themselves and all the work they've done in creating a Free Software OS, but also to Linus Torvalds.
It's not X/GNU/Apache/MySQL/Linux/etc because non of those other things ever set out to make a Free Operating System, not even Linus.
Linux is the kernel GNU is the operating system itself RedHat is the group that got it together to produce a product of GNU and Linux.
Therefore saying 'RedHat' is fine, unless RedHat makes a non-GNU or non-Linux product. It describes the collection of GNU and Linux that the RedHat company makes.
Debian produces a similar product, they use different parts in their final product, so it's 'Debian'
So Debian is Debian, RedHat is RedHat - if I wanted to call about them collectively they're GNU distributions as far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider that Debian *does* do products that don't use Linux, ie Hurd, NetBSD, etc.
Referring to it as Linux is dumb, because some day a new hot kernel will come along, and it'll become the next buzzword, but if we all say GNU/Linux now, then when GNU/Homsar or whatever becomes the cool thing, people will recognise the GNU element, and it won't be so confusing for people.
And why do these people who are "afraid to install a browser that didn't come with their operating system" always download every fucking thing they come across on the internet, from Bonzai Buddy and WeatherBug to MySearch and a half dozen instant messaging clients?
Presumably because they feel they're cool and DON'T come with their machine.
If it was easy to install little gadget-type things that were safe, akin to Linspire Click and Run, then I believe the problem wouldn't exist, or would exist less.
Computers *are* consumer devices now, or at least can be. Not all of them are, but then not all VCRs are too.
Computers can be easy to use, people should certainly never need to build a computer from scratch, or reinstall their OS beyond putting a CD in the drive and turning the machine on, and as for systems programming - you're out of your mind. Perhaps you wish computers were some elitist, holier-than-thou priesthood, but I'm afraid you're wrong, wrong, wrong. WebTV failed because people want to do more than surf the web. They might have kids who want to do homework, or they may study themselves, or they might just enjoy exploring what a computer can do for them. So what if it breaks now and then? It should be easy enough for a user to restore.. perhaps we need machines with a read-only file system and all files to be store on a USB pendrive or something to assist this.
You come across as arrogant, but not stupid, so forgive me; but when you say ignorant people shouldn't be using computers, you're right. Sadly, you're the ignorant one.
I don't think it's really fair to put people down for not knowing stuff they shouldn't have to know.
Computers have become a consumer product, but unlike other consumer devices (TVs, VCRs, Microwaves) they can actually fuck things up if they do something wrong, or something different...
I think the idea of using a browser that didn't come with their computer probably scares a lot of people, much in the same way my friend's father wouldn't let him use 3rd party joysticks on his Atari VCS -- truely believed that anything different from the norm would break the unit; and he'd have to explain personally to Mr Atari why he DARED to break their lovely console.
Maybe what we need is someone to write a piece of spyware for IE, that installs Firefox and Thunderbird, removes IE and Outlook Express and changes the Moz icons to keep everything familiar.
If you ask some clueless decision maker if it's okay to deploy Mozilla, you'll probably get turned down on the basis of "I've not heard of that" whereas people who've used the web for a while, will have heard of Netscape.
My mother's heard of Netscape, she thinks she uses it every day, even though she actually uses Firefox.
Well, we've still got 96 years of the 21st Century left, so it's likely that the Hurd will be finished long before then.
I am seriously looking forward to the Hurd, just as much as most people are looking forward to Duke Nukem forever. Difference is, Hurd is not vapourware, it's just an awfully large project and it'll be awfully welcome when it's complete.
Can be downloaded here from The-Underdogs. You should only download it if you actually owned it of course.
Can't say I've tried it, but I'd imagine it'll work to some degree under DOSbox - Debian, Windows, OS X, RedHat, SuSE, FreeBSD, Be and MorphOS versions are available. The new version can run Windows 3.1!
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Nah, there's at least one that I don't know; they're the one who supply half the others with pirate software.
Personally, I like all the Free Software that I can run on my Mac... mmmmm GIMP.
I'm a UK Mac user. I know of dozens.
Also at goat.cx - gotta love the spirit of that place
http://freecache.org/http://www.tentakelvilla.de/t homas/mmdsetup.exe
GNU project sets out to create Free Software OS.
... along comes Linux kernel, under GPL.
Various parts are already complete, a la X.
Kernel needed, as GNU project kernel not finished...
GNU project could have just taken this as their official kernel, but they'd put too much work into Hurd to stop really, and Hurd is a better design, so they choose GNU/Linux, to offer credit to themselves and all the work they've done in creating a Free Software OS, but also to Linus Torvalds.
It's not X/GNU/Apache/MySQL/Linux/etc because non of those other things ever set out to make a Free Operating System, not even Linus.
I think people want free software, though it doesn't have to be GPL.
Windows doesn't come with Clippy - that's Microsoft Office!
There are pieces to the GNU/Linux operating system beyond GNU software or the Linux kernel, for example X.
X however never set out to make a free operating system. This is why I believe it's fair to say GNU operating system.
I'd be very much inclined to agree with you...
What I'd say is slightly different -
Linux is the kernel
GNU is the operating system itself
RedHat is the group that got it together to produce a product of GNU and Linux.
Therefore saying 'RedHat' is fine, unless RedHat makes a non-GNU or non-Linux product. It describes the collection of GNU and Linux that the RedHat company makes.
Debian produces a similar product, they use different parts in their final product, so it's 'Debian'
So Debian is Debian, RedHat is RedHat - if I wanted to call about them collectively they're GNU distributions as far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider that Debian *does* do products that don't use Linux, ie Hurd, NetBSD, etc.
Referring to it as Linux is dumb, because some day a new hot kernel will come along, and it'll become the next buzzword, but if we all say GNU/Linux now, then when GNU/Homsar or whatever becomes the cool thing, people will recognise the GNU element, and it won't be so confusing for people.
And why do these people who are "afraid to install a browser that didn't come with their operating system" always download every fucking thing they come across on the internet, from Bonzai Buddy and WeatherBug to MySearch and a half dozen instant messaging clients?
Presumably because they feel they're cool and DON'T come with their machine.
If it was easy to install little gadget-type things that were safe, akin to Linspire Click and Run, then I believe the problem wouldn't exist, or would exist less.
I remember them as a browser company I'm 22. I just asked a 15 year old, they remember them as abrowser company.
I think you're underestimating the memories of people, perhaps. Either way, 'netscape' is a name people know; whether it's Coke or New Coke.
Boycott Coke!
You're very wrong, and here's why...
Computers *are* consumer devices now, or at least can be. Not all of them are, but then not all VCRs are too.
Computers can be easy to use, people should certainly never need to build a computer from scratch, or reinstall their OS beyond putting a CD in the drive and turning the machine on, and as for systems programming - you're out of your mind. Perhaps you wish computers were some elitist, holier-than-thou priesthood, but I'm afraid you're wrong, wrong, wrong. WebTV failed because people want to do more than surf the web. They might have kids who want to do homework, or they may study themselves, or they might just enjoy exploring what a computer can do for them. So what if it breaks now and then? It should be easy enough for a user to restore.. perhaps we need machines with a read-only file system and all files to be store on a USB pendrive or something to assist this.
You come across as arrogant, but not stupid, so forgive me; but when you say ignorant people shouldn't be using computers, you're right. Sadly, you're the ignorant one.
This is why you're single, I feel.
Would you dump a girl for having a Walkman? An iPod?
AOL is the Walkman of ISPs, sadly.
Dummies?
I don't think it's really fair to put people down for not knowing stuff they shouldn't have to know.
Computers have become a consumer product, but unlike other consumer devices (TVs, VCRs, Microwaves) they can actually fuck things up if they do something wrong, or something different...
I think the idea of using a browser that didn't come with their computer probably scares a lot of people, much in the same way my friend's father wouldn't let him use 3rd party joysticks on his Atari VCS -- truely believed that anything different from the norm would break the unit; and he'd have to explain personally to Mr Atari why he DARED to break their lovely console.
Maybe what we need is someone to write a piece of spyware for IE, that installs Firefox and Thunderbird, removes IE and Outlook Express and changes the Moz icons to keep everything familiar.
Netscape is a name that non-geeks have heard of.
If you ask some clueless decision maker if it's okay to deploy Mozilla, you'll probably get turned down on the basis of "I've not heard of that" whereas people who've used the web for a while, will have heard of Netscape.
My mother's heard of Netscape, she thinks she uses it every day, even though she actually uses Firefox.
(Sorry mum!)
Is there a free software SWF player for Firefox that will play fairly modern stuff? ie. Can I watch H*R whilst retaining my freedom?
You might like CyberDuck (GPL) or RBrowserLite (no-cost).
Mail.app under OS X also has this.
Open a Terminal...
defaults write com.apple.mail PreferPlainText -bool TRUE
Voila, any stupid HTML email will be displayed as text only.
We had Customers Using NTs.
Very amusing when we came to print out the end of year support logs, and it shows "532 calls from CUNTs"
It's historical, I'd really like it changed.
;)
byolinux, as a website hasn't existed for ages.
Anyway, I should be byognu, or gnuboy, surely?
Dutch people get every Thursday as holiday?
No wonder they're so happy!
Well, we've still got 96 years of the 21st Century left, so it's likely that the Hurd will be finished long before then.
I am seriously looking forward to the Hurd, just as much as most people are looking forward to Duke Nukem forever. Difference is, Hurd is not vapourware, it's just an awfully large project and it'll be awfully welcome when it's complete.
Torvalds Vs Tanenbaum. I've never used MINIX, but I believe the source code is out there somewhere, although AFAIK, it's not free software.
I've often wondered what things will be like when Hurd is ready, and we'll have GNU and GNU/Linux, and all those BSDs, and OS X all in usage.
And then we'll probably still have to worry about making stuff look right in IE 6, because Microsoft takes forever to update it.
Can be downloaded here from The-Underdogs. You should only download it if you actually owned it of course.
Can't say I've tried it, but I'd imagine it'll work to some degree under DOSbox - Debian, Windows, OS X, RedHat, SuSE, FreeBSD, Be and MorphOS versions are available. The new version can run Windows 3.1!
It converts them (on Windows only) so that people can use their WMA music on iPods.