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Mozilla 1.8 Alpha Released
AllMightyPaul writes "Last Friday, the Mozilla Organization announced Mozilla 1.8a. You can download Mozilla 1.8 alpha (with torrents available) from the Mozilla public FTP server. Features include a basic upload FTP UI, improved junk mail filtering, and the number of cookies that Mozilla can hold has also increased 'dramatically.' What's amazing is that they haven't even released Mozilla 1.7 yet. Here I thought that Mozilla was going to standardize on 1.7."
But despite standardising 1.7, development of mozilla continues.M E.html for details.
1.7 is about third party developers and products which rely on a fixed api.
1.8 is where new features will be found.
New features are for example ftp upload capability, use of 4. and 5. mouse button.
see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.8a1/READ
But this news is already 8 days old. I wonder why this is picked up only now.
When does firefox/fire* get renamed "mozilla browser"?
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
I'm just glad that they will develop the Mozilla package next to the firefox/etc packages.
I use the Mozilla package at home and Firefox at work (since I have to use Outlook here).
They haven't let me down yet.
This is the sig that says NI (again)
I wonder when, if at all, we'll see these new features trickle down to firefox?
It doesn't mention whether the middle mouse button can be made to open a tab as it does under Safari. That really is the one thing that keeps me coming back to Safari for my general browsing. Some sites work best with Mozilla and I have 1.7rc2 installed for that (they just fixed a problem with large images that wouldn't display on previous versions) but still no middle mouse click. I have to do left + CMD combination. Yuk.
"I have the attention span of a strobe lit goldfish, please get to the point quickly!"
One of the reasons I stopped using Mozilla was the bloat. I do not need one tool that does: web browsing, email, usenet, html editing and, now, ftp upload.
One of the perennial criticisms of MS software is the bloat. Is bloatware some how ok if it's open source? Of course it isn't.
Adding yet another piece of unnecessary functionality to Mozilla makes it less, not more, attractive.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Mozilla needs more speed and less power.
Currently Mozilla is the most powerful browing suite on earth. Problem is people don't care about all those features, we just want speed. So developers what do you plan to do to make XUL faster? How do you plan to reduce the memory footprint? How about reducing CPU load? What about actually speeding up the rendering of websites ?
And if you are going to add new features, try intergrating bit torrent into mozilla since it seems to be the new default download format why the hell are you upgrading FTP?
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
I have been running the new alpha of Mozilla for a little time now and I can definitely say that this is the best browser I have ever used.
It's faster, more responsive, uses less memory and overall is just one great piece of code.
I'm looking forward to the final release, but to those who are sceptical to running an alpha release I recommend that you give it a try anyway - it's that great!
Internet Explorer will have a hard time keeping up with the great folks at Mozilla. In my book, the browser war has already been won.
improved junk mail filtering
I really don't understand why this is still a live issue. When I used to use Outlook I used SpamBayes to filter my spam and within a few days it was catching 99.99% of my spam. That's obviously a made-up figure, but that's how it felt. I never missed a single real mail, and after a few weeks I don't think a single spam ended up in my inbox.
Then I moved to Thunderbird, and suddenly obvious spam is regularly ending up in my inbox, despite several weeks' training. Don't get me wrong, it's a great mail client, but I don't see why it's so hard to implement something that's already been done perfectly in more than one open-source project?
HTH...
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
For their poor servers ...
Win32 exe
Win32 Zip
Linux
Linux (installer)
I second the motion: bit torrent yes, FTP no
You can configure Mozilla to play nice with Outlook, check out the cool tip:
h tm l#other-default
http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.4/faq/mail-news.
Ok, im no 'zilla expert here, but ever since I can remember Mozilla (or at least Firefox) has supported opening tabs on middle click. I know thats how I have my Firefox set up right now anyways. And maybe its some weird extension or something I have installed, but i'd be willing to bet money on this little sumwhathin' I found being key:
:)
Install Firefox (or Zilla, whatever)
Type "About:Config" into the URL bar
Type "middleclick" into the filter bar and hit enter
Find the entry that says "browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick", and make sure the value is set to true.
Give that a whirl, maybe its what you're lookin for. Or maybe its an extension of mine, either way its worth a shot fer someone to try
I thought Firefox was scheduled to be *the* browser in the suite (with Thunderbird the equivalent in the mail space). How does that work if Firefox is on a branch and the suite ploughs ahead?
I hope bugfixes (217527 for example which affects Slashdot) are consistantly and promptly backported to 1.7 (and thus to Firefox) or the impetus could be there to reverse the flow back to the suite- up until now I have tended to think of Firefox as "the best of Mozilla"...
--Murray Barton
So what, guys ? He didn't say he wanted his browser to be stable too.
Mozilla is a browser for web developers.
Firefox, Camino, and Thunderbird are the browsers and email clients for those who don't need JS debuggers, consoles, ftp clients, text editors, whosits, and whatsits.
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
FileZilla. GPLed. Slick, fleksible, fast. Supports drag & drop properly. SFTP. Server.
It's a winner.
There doesn't seem to be a version compiled against Xft or Gtk+2.0. Is this a regression?
I've been using Mozilla 1.7rc1 for some time so I decided to install 1.8 Alpha, it short it sucks :-(
Installed without a issue but tried to start it and it just consumed 15MB ram and wouldn't start so rebooted XP and started it again, this time it loaded a webpage but wouldn't do anytiung else (m,enu's would not work etc)
So I'm back to 1.7RC1 now
"WebTV: bringing the Internet into the shallow end of the gene pool since 1995" - Martin Bishop
hmm?
I have a trouble, I can't make them co-exist!
Firefox is using the pref files that Mozilla uses BUT the new Mozilla hangs at the older version's pref.
Can someone tell me how to move Firefox preferences so I can make them both work.
by reviewing the spam folder
"Free" applies to the source code, not you. I don't care about you. Go cry me a river you poor unfree baby.
The Win32.exe torrent is going very slow. (1.8 kb/s)
Upload at 0.0 kb/s.
What's the use if nobody 's using it?
If you mod this up, your slashdot background will turn into a beautiful sunset!
That's a serious question, not an attempt to flame, because for me, I'd rather have something separate, particularly so I can close down the browser and have the torrent running in the background.
I think one of the things that people ignore when people talk about speed of loading is that Mozilla has this powerful XUL stuff. How much it is used by people, I don't know. Has anyone any experience of using it for data collection or whatever?
I'd rather have seen that they add some much needed functionality to the download manager so everyone can get rid of those third-party download managers.
Does everything include nothing?
Anyone else have this annoying problem with really tiny fonts in mozilla UI? I'm using debian-stock mozilla 1.7 (unstable) and it doesn't have this problem, but when I install from .tar.gz I always get really tiny fonts in UI. I tries to edit userChrome.css and user.css files, but nothing helped. Content fonts are OK and I have tweaked DPI settings, too.
Anyone with solution?
I use 1.7 on XP, which I find a big improvement over IE/OE.
I look forward to 1.8 for it's additional usefull features & further increased speed.
hey look features are features but a few are missing
I would like a IM client (IRC does not rock my world) a Jabber client would be good
I would like a iCal clone... (in process)
I would like OpenPGP intergrated (only 128bit to save the export legal stuff) just basic crypto would be great (make it easy to setup as well)
regards
John Jones
My mac "mouse" is a logitech trackball with three buttons and a scroll wheel all of which work just fine in OsX.
the number of cookies that Mozilla can hold has also increased 'dramatically.'
I have submitted this as a bug!
If you want speed, you use Lynx!
'nuff said!
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
Thunderbird used to have the same results - when I used 0.1 and 0.2, I never saw a spam outside my spam box, and no real mails got marked wrong either - after just some minor training. Then, after a while, spams started to look differently, and what do you know? TB started to fail.
Spammers simply learned how to (partly) defeat Bayesian. I'd be very interested to see your results if you tried SpamBayes now. I bet it wouldn't do better.
Or did you think the spammers would just give up and go home?
Only slightly related is this:
What I never understood, though, is why with the X version of Mozilla (Linux in my case) clicking the middle mouse button on a tab by default tries to load the current selection as an URL.
Why? First thing with all Mozilla installs on Linux I do is to disable middlemouse.ContentLoadURL. Why on earth do they set it to true on Linux? Just to make life harder for people whop use both Win32 and Linux? Or do they track this silently somehow, trying to figure out how many people know how to change settings "back to normal" via about:config?
Well, it _is_ an alpa release. Add a bug report describing how it's not working, and it will more than likely be fixed for the next alpha.
Why is Mozilla adding new features like the FTP client if they plan to go to a firefox based browser that uses a system of extensions?
Why wasn't the FTP client written as an extension?
Steve
It is an Alpha, that means that big bugs may exist. You should report the bug to the developers, not whine about how this test-release sucks. The point of testing is too find bugs before a real release, not to deliver bug-free software. If you want that, use the release version.
Why are you telling Slashdot, instead of the mozilla project?
All that's left now is to merge EMACS and Mozilla. Then we'll have everything in one application.
-- If it ain't broke - overclock it more.
This is one of the places where Gentoo really shines. Using RedHat 9 on my lappy, finding a recent version of Mozilla with XFT/GTK2 support was a right royal pain.
:)
Using Gentoo the ebuild compiles XFT/GTK2 support by default
Perhaps the troll to end all trolls?
Mozilla isn't bloaty though, I've been using it since 'milestone 18' back in the mid-nineties when it was a bit pokey and broken.
Have you done a quantitative ascessment of this feeling that Moz is big or slow? I think Mozilla is quite fast, certainly faster than IE. Also, I think that if you could un-marry windows and IE and get a full grasp of how much RAM IE was using (even when it's not loaded, mshtml.dll and friends are in RAM) you'd change your story.
Every web browser is going to use a fair amount of RAM because it needs at least a window-sized buffer to composite on. Safari and IE are tricky because they use the OS libraries for that, so it's not as easy to see the footprint, but Moz does it inside itself, so the footprint looks somewhat massive.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
You are so damned right.
That's why I stick to something nice and lean like emacs ...
Part Time Philosopher, Oft Times Romantic, Full Time Unix Geek
They didn't add an "FTP client" - they added UI to allow FTP upload. The FTP back-end is useful for other stuff, and was already present - adding the menu command wasn't a huge thing.
Atleast according to that bug report the latest trunks load fine.
..I'll have to hear this?
It's just the linux kernel that follows that numbering.
A small number of projects followed the idea, but it's very far from a general rule, and it's not intended to be.
Does this new release restore any support for the MNG/JNG graphics formats, or is GIF still the only animated format supported?
Really, after so many years in development, the fact that SVG is still not in the main branch by default is really dissapointing.
Funny that I am typing this in Moz right now, BUT:
.com thing. (try typing slashdot.org into firefox and it will try to go to http://www.slashdot.org.com/.really is a more mature product.
using FireFox + ThunderBird may take longer to start total and take a bit more memory overhead, but when Moz browser dies, it always takes mail with it - and on more than one occasion it has taken some long mail I have composed, but not yet saved in drafts or sent, with it too.
That said, I like Moz browser's inline search functionality so I can't get used to firefox. And does anybody else notice that the context menu for tabs on the two apps are different? (one has close tab on top and the other on bottom) It's a pain when you reflexively click the wrong one.
I also don't like firefox's lack of Ctrl-Enter in new tab thing, as well as some auto-appending www /
My life in the land of the rising sun.
Bar none folks, "..And if you are going to add new features, try intergrating bit torrent into mozilla since it seems to be the new default download format why the hell are you upgrading FTP?.."....damn, i really hope some of the developers read that. To be able to nab (and release) torrents with only a click, perhaps even transparently and no different than a normal download. Damn, that is a good idea! Cheers!
You won't get widespread adoption until Firefox and Thunderbird reach 1.0. Call it symantics, but it is important for them them to reach the 1.0 mark soon, not just in name but in functionality.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
But unfortunately i wanted to see this on FireFox / Firebird. Yes, I can browse and download but not upload with Firefox AFAIK.
Too bad, im still stuck with nautilus (having passwords displayed in Nautilus address bar sucks)
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
I was recently "forced" to get IE running on the kids' dual boot Linux/Win98SE machine. My son needed to use a certain college web site, and rejected Mozilla, being "IE-only". So I visited Windows Update, since IE on the box had never been used for web browsing. Many, many updates and reboots later, he was able to do what he needed to do. After I have paid the first tuition bill and become a member of the in-crowd, I'm going to write to the college about their IE-only site, about how they're aiding and abetting a convicted monopolist with a site like that, and how they should be using w3c, webwasher, and the like to generate portable content.
My kids tend to keep the machine on Windows, largely because they can do what they need there, plus play games. After this experience, I cautioned my son to avoid IE because of future security problems, even if it is currently fully patched. His response... IE is a *pig* compared to Mozilla.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Hi, I install cable modems for a local cable internet service provider. Before I go any futher, let me just say this:
Geeks don't get to see how the other half lives (fixing mom's computer doens't count).
I am required to configured the customer's computer and setup their e-mail. Part of the install process requires me to hit the cable company's web page to allow the customer to chose their e-mail. Every day I get to see 20 or more fscked up customer computers that have so many spyware programs, viruses, trojans and other assorted crap gumming up their desktops. It's not uncommon to see 15+ instances of IE load up with ads before I can get a usable browser. More often than not, the browser's spyware add-ins have the customer's computer so fscked, that I have to ftp to mozilla and pull down an clean, standards compliant browser that blocks pop-ups. Only when I load the same web page back to back between IE and mozilla does the customer begin to understand just how fscked microsoft software is.
So, even though I don't have the money to contribute to the Mozilla project, I would just like to thank the hard working folks who put that fine browser alternative togeter.
Thank you so very much. Without Mozilla, my install time would increase from an average of 20-25 minutes to well over an hour.
And to Microsoft: Shame on you, your shoddy code and your market share. If there's anybody headed for a fall, it's you.
Using a 1.6 for some time, I just sucked 1.8. And guess what, all Slashdot fonts goes totally crazy. My system is Mandrake 10 cooker. And I am beginning to hate gtk crapware.
Unfortunately, while Konqueror looks very nice, has a crappy html engine. Not able to render a Slashdot personal page for ages.
So I have a perfect browser within primitive-looking (and behaving) app framework and nice one with eye candies showing scrambled pages.
Why not put mozilla engine into KDE framework?
WHY NOT PUT MOZILLA ENGINE INTO KDE FRAMEWORK???
Sorry for a flamebait.
There you are, staring at me again.
Sheesh, the whole project is Open Source / Free software, with a largely open, public, and transparent development process. Go to mozilla.org and all the mozilla portals and learn a little bit about the project, where it's headed, why it's headed that way, who's responsible for it, how it can benefit you, how you can help, and et cetera.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I love having a stand-alone browser, and I think it's healthy to have that kind of separation. But I'm wondering when they're going to make the Mozilla browser Firefox? (the best I've ever heard from Firesomething, by the way, was "Mozilla Lightningnarwhal")
The Thunderbird logo will convert more users than any single feature X you can name.
Does anyone else think that the small TB logo in the Windows taskbar's Quick Launch looks more like an Anime girl's head w/blue hair than a bird on an envelope?
So, Mozilla 1.8 is going to include basic FTP upload support. I've always wondered how Filezilla fits into the mix. To me, it seems that it's just tailing on the 'zilla name, and no real relation. FileZilla is really a pretty good FTP program - but it is windows-only. I'd like to see the FileZilla team hook up with the Moz team though, maybe add it to the suite and/or make a linux/Mac branch.
My mom doesn't want to use Mozilla, because clicking and holding the mouse button over the scroll buttons (the "up" and "down" ones) is too slow. ;)
And it is slow compared to IE or really old Netscape. She also refuses to scroll in other manners (mouse wheel, drag the bar around all the time, arrow keys).
Does anyone know any way to speed up Mozilla's button scrolling, short of downloading and editing the source?
Just choose custom when you install it. (This is on the windows side, but I imagine it's on linux as welll.)
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
If spammers started translating their emails into Snoop Dogg style languagizzle. Would it get past spam filters easier? I guess it wouldn't be too tough to block every email with the phrase izzle.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
In particular, shouldn't cookies be handled via a whitelist? Let the user affirmatively accept cookies for sites he cares about (slashdot, nytimes) and delete all the rest when he quits mozilla. That would be better for privacy and also reduce unnecessary bloat. Who really needs 20 cookies for servedby.advertising.com - and has time to individually blacklist all of the ad servers?
sulli
RTFJ.
And no, "Sunbird" isn't even close to a suitable answer. Neither is "Thunderbird" or "Firefox."
Corporate users can barely grok "Mozilla" but they certainly understand "Oh, no functional calendar? I'll just stay on Outlook..."
Does the Mozilla team have plans to bundle together FireFox, and Thunderbird similar to how Kmail, and Korgranzier (and a few other appz) were bundled using Kontact?
... I mean Outlook *cough*
I know Linux/Unix users like to have seperate applications that are small and powerful, but I find that many Windows user want an application that does everything -- regardless of how poorly it works *cough* Look-Out
she wont have to waste time moving the mouse. try getting her an logitech mx500 it has scroll buttons (cruise buttons) so you can adjust the speed in which they scroll. and you can set any button to use the speed scroll. also you can bind keys for back and forward. my dad was the same way till I made him use the scroll wheel. your just not trying hard enough
another moz alpha. I think I just wet my pants. How about a new slashdot article everytime CVS is updated? Thanks.
And I think they should be aiming to repackage Thunderbird as a Firefox xpi extension, as a fork of the Thunderbird stand-alone app. That way, if you run both, you don't need to have Gecko in memory twice.
but
:)
"Unfortunately, Carbon doesn't have the ability to recognize a middle mouse click"
Is completely false.
As this developer page shows, Carbon can handle 65,535 buttons. The problem is, as you would know if you poked around in bugzilla, mouse events don't use Carbon Events (here's the filed bug for rewriting them). At least be correct in your knowledge of the situation next time.
"Here I thought that Mozilla was going to standardize on 1.7"
They are, that's why they haven't released a stable 1.7 yet! Ever heard of QA?
I think she meant specifically the button in the upper-right of a browser window which animates as you wait for the page to download.
No...what Gerv meant was that CCS (i.e., rendering specifications for webPAGES), requires that you be able to do certain things with the standard form widgets (like buttons, drop-down lists, text entry boxes, and the like), which require a custom widget set. And if you need a custom widget set for webforms anyway, you may as well use it for the rest of the browser.
I suspect the reasone is more the opposite. Personally, I used firefox at work for browsing (where we used Outlook), and the suite at home because I wanted the web to integrate closely with my e-mail. Thunderbird/Firefox now play very nice on windows, but are still a pain on Linux.
I didn't know that. Will switch to that method going forward.
sulli
RTFJ.
When will this essesntial feature be implemented? Spell checking for browser text boxes and forms is a must. Opera and IE have it available.
Mozilla 1.7 has been pending for a couple of months now, and I reckon something specific must be holding everything up for 1.8 to be in alpha before 1.7 is finalised. Does anyone know what these things are?
I've been following Bug 18574 (no links allowed from Slashdot), which concerns restoring support for MNG and JNG image formats. The debate about this bug has been long and arduous, and heated at times: essentially, it's the same old nobody-supports-it and it's-just-code-bloat arguments versus the same old it's-a-good-format and Web-pages-will-use-them-if-browsers-do arguments. However, people are starting to get it to work on their own builds, with some crashing still on some systems (eg. OS/2) with some image files.
If there are specific issues holding up 1.7, I'm starting to suspect this is one of them. Officially, there is no target milestone for Bug 18574. Of course, if it doesn't make it into 1.7, it may end up as an XPI (eg. Mngzilla) and all will be well. Does any one know for sure?
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
hahahahaha Thats the only response i can give to this post. Keep being funny
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
I'm working on adding gnutella & bittorent , IM and an option to use very strong crypto for the lot.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer