Furniture company Gautier to consider legal action, saying it's entire Windows brand home furniture had to be scrapped. Everone thinks our furniture is full of holes, and could allow easy access to burglars, said Gautier.
Friend of the farmer, Earthworm Inc. was aghast, when kids mercilessly stamped oer them. "It's crazy, something called Slammer worm hit the internet, and we're no longer friends. Terrible!"
Even the Cholera virus Inc. is contemplaing action. Earlier, people looked at us thru jaundiced eyes, and we got by. Now it's like, we need to stay miles away from people... even if we disguise us as spam, it doesn't help...
There was quite a debate on the London traffic thing - turned out most of the s/w codeing and data analysis is done in India... I suspect a huge project like this could mean lots of Indians doing the coding. Paranoid locals might consider shifting to Asia as well??
Didn't DARPA invent the internet? So, let's start on IPv6 and give every object an IP address and a WiFi connectivity, and call it Secure Social Security or something like that. Problem solved!
" does this professor have any constructive suggestions on how fix the license?"
Why should the license be fixed? Do idiotic clauses in MS EULAs get fixed based on user feedback? Does Munich decide to buy 14,000 licenses of GPL s/w based on this sponsored study about GPL licensing? Are Germans nuts to believe such propoganda?
For your info, Germany has huge tech giants in IT - SAP, Siemens, SuSE - just to name a few. And ALL of them have stakes in Unix/Linux/OpenSource and cellphone segments.
LinuxTag's protest against SCO was direct and stinging - compare that to the farce in Utah. Advice: Don't mess with Germans - they're known to be merciless and ruthless, despite their appearances.
" And buyers of such software must be prepared that liability is limited to the criteria common for items given away for free, i.e. severe negligence only."
And he's talking about Open Source here?? Has Joe ServicePack ever received anything from 'the company where his money ultimately reached' (I don't use seller, vendor, OEM etc. - I know MS dodges behind these things).
So why should JoeServicePack bother at all whether his s/w is Open Source or Closed Source? Do proprietary s/w makers offer any decent support? (not the small ones).. The legality of GPL is not a guiding factor in a buying decision for the customer, nor for the developer, coder or sponsor of OpenSource project.
Any amount of legalese around a rotten code does not make it sweet or desirable. Any amount of LipService (TM) doesn't equal actual Customer Care.
"It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer " As if we understood shorter, crisper or clear MS EULAs for that matter. Or even the FAQs written for JoeServicePacks after every 'critical' alert.
Early bird catches the worm. The rest get Service Packs.
What's the worst that can happen if the GPL is held legally unenforceable?? Companies like MS can steal GNU / Linux code and put it in their kernels? When none can access their sources, it's gonna be tough enforcing the GPL anyways.
A new Linux distro that doesn't provide source? Fine. How many would buy such a thing? How many would pay money to buy a browser now?
A new h/w design / spec that builds on top of Linux, but source not provided. That could be a worry. Wonder if people would flock to buy such a hardware though.
Guess SCO would be seething to get back at LinuxTag for kicking them in the butt (what's the German word for butt??). If GPL itself is dubious in Germany, maybe SCO could again attack Linux, this time with different flavor of FUD?
BTW, does anyone know if the MS EULAs are enforcable in Germany? I guess any Legal System would laugh them out of court.
"Open Source-supporting IP lawyers, including Lawrence Lessig, James Boyle, and Eric Saltzman."
I only recall Lessig in that list...and he's the one who lost out against RIAA, despite all the publicity and his blog. I'm not being harsh or anything - I also remember references to him in an article in TheRegister - Googlewashing, Jimmy Moore, Googlewash article. Lessig didn't come across very highly over there.
"And Creative Commons licenses aren't just BSD-licenses. They have licenses with features VERY much like GPL. They also have BSD-like licenses. It's your choice. You decide."
And therein lies the dilution of the Open Source philosophy. The GPL is more than enough and hugely popular. No reasons to move away from GPL, atleast IMO.
I think there's more to this than meets the eye. Creative Commons seems designed with vultures like MS in mind. Somewhat like BSD style licensing. Miight scae less people, but they don't appear to have enuff chutzpah to stand up for their beliefs.
I didn't suspect 3 digit trolls existed - but anyways... My question is this: Why should MS redesign the kernel of Win95 to include PnP or WLAN or anything of that sort?? Even MS DOS can support PnP and 1394. It's this packaging that promotes upgrades - there's no technical reason why MS can't offer USB or anything else in 95.
There's no such need to confuse users in the Open Source world.
Sometime back, I tried searching thru the Google news site, for the Oregon Open Source bill. Curiously, I got a wrong reference to a March 6 Slashdot article. Right now, Google lists 'zero' matches for an "Oregon Microsoft Slashdot" search.
Something crazy going on between Google and Slashdot? Why this hide-and-seek??
Ditto.. Closed Source is sexy to start off, offers all the thrills, bells and whistles. When users get hooked, in come the lock-ins, lock-outs, bundling, viruses, spam, bloat, messing up of the UI, etc.
Win95-->Win98-->WinME--->WinXP is a case in point. Nothing for a user in XP, that he can't do with Win95.
"You can't even install the.Net framework on '95, or hell, run any software made in the last 2 years. "
My question is:"What tangible benefit is there, in running the latest software?" Is.Net framework essential to read.Net hotmail? Mozilla will do just fine..Net is in fact being removed from MS branding - it's useless for JoeServicePack anyway.
Closed Source is sexy to start off, offers all the thrills, bells and whistles. When users get hooked, in come the lock-ins, lock-outs, bundling, viruses, spam, bloat, messing up of the UI, etc.
Win95-->Win98-->WinME--->WinXP is a case in point. Nothing for a user in XP, that he can't do with Win95.
" It's not even a story because 'some company is allowing MS monopolistic tactics to compromise various business deals, including, but probably not limited to, the Linux OS.'"
I think it's a story of spreading SCO-FUD to NewZealand, after getting kicked by LinuxTag in Germany. Since the SCO case is gonna take months before anything further happens, FUD is being spread around at prospective Linux newbies. This monopoly stuff is ir-relevant and im-material.
I must confess this is the first time I'm hearing about Neuros. Okay, I've heard as short for 'Neurotics'. With such things like Personal Submarines, Personal Rockets, Z80 based webservers etc., can't we have a Slashdot store or something? Anyone know what does this Neuros stuff cost?
" It's not even a story because 'some company is allowing MS monopolistic tactics to compromise various business deals, including, but probably not limited to, the Linux OS.'"
I think it's a story of spreading SCO-FUD to NewZealand, after getting kicked by LinuxTag in Germany. Since the SCO case is gonna take months before anything further happens, FUD is being spread around at prospective Linux newbies. This monopoly stuff is ir-relevant and im-material.
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**sarcasm**
Furniture company Gautier to consider legal action, saying it's entire Windows brand home furniture had to be scrapped. Everone thinks our furniture is full of holes, and could allow easy access to burglars, said Gautier.
Friend of the farmer, Earthworm Inc. was aghast, when kids mercilessly stamped oer them. "It's crazy, something called Slammer worm hit the internet, and we're no longer friends. Terrible!"
Even the Cholera virus Inc. is contemplaing action. Earlier, people looked at us thru jaundiced eyes, and we got by. Now it's like, we need to stay miles away from people... even if we disguise us as spam, it doesn't help...
Cheers.
"Back in my day, we had our BS technology..which allowed 'em to be thrown off a 3-story building and still work"
If you throw BS off a 3-story building, it sure is guarnteed to work! Even now, I swear!! If you have any doubts, ask SCO.
There was quite a debate on the London traffic thing - turned out most of the s/w codeing and data analysis is done in India... I suspect a huge project like this could mean lots of Indians doing the coding. Paranoid locals might consider shifting to Asia as well??
Didn't DARPA invent the internet? So, let's start on IPv6 and give every object an IP address and a WiFi connectivity, and call it Secure Social Security or something like that. Problem solved!
" does this professor have any constructive suggestions on how fix the license?"
Why should the license be fixed? Do idiotic clauses in MS EULAs get fixed based on user feedback? Does Munich decide to buy 14,000 licenses of GPL s/w based on this sponsored study about GPL licensing? Are Germans nuts to believe such propoganda?
For your info, Germany has huge tech giants in IT - SAP, Siemens, SuSE - just to name a few. And ALL of them have stakes in Unix/Linux/OpenSource and cellphone segments.
LinuxTag's protest against SCO was direct and stinging - compare that to the farce in Utah. Advice: Don't mess with Germans - they're known to be merciless and ruthless, despite their appearances.
" And buyers of such software must be prepared that liability is limited to the criteria common for items given away for free, i.e. severe negligence only."
And he's talking about Open Source here?? Has Joe ServicePack ever received anything from 'the company where his money ultimately reached' (I don't use seller, vendor, OEM etc. - I know MS dodges behind these things).
So why should JoeServicePack bother at all whether his s/w is Open Source or Closed Source? Do proprietary s/w makers offer any decent support? (not the small ones).. The legality of GPL is not a guiding factor in a buying decision for the customer, nor for the developer, coder or sponsor of OpenSource project.
Any amount of legalese around a rotten code does not make it sweet or desirable. Any amount of LipService (TM) doesn't equal actual Customer Care.
"It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer "
As if we understood shorter, crisper or clear MS EULAs for that matter. Or even the FAQs written for JoeServicePacks after every 'critical' alert.
Early bird catches the worm. The rest get Service Packs.
What's the worst that can happen if the GPL is held legally unenforceable?? Companies like MS can steal GNU / Linux code and put it in their kernels? When none can access their sources, it's gonna be tough enforcing the GPL anyways.
A new Linux distro that doesn't provide source? Fine. How many would buy such a thing? How many would pay money to buy a browser now?
A new h/w design / spec that builds on top of Linux, but source not provided. That could be a worry. Wonder if people would flock to buy such a hardware though.
Guess SCO would be seething to get back at LinuxTag for kicking them in the butt (what's the German word for butt??). If GPL itself is dubious in Germany, maybe SCO could again attack Linux, this time with different flavor of FUD?
BTW, does anyone know if the MS EULAs are enforcable in Germany? I guess any Legal System would laugh them out of court.
Looks like reverse bio-engineering. Predators normally come after the prey!
"Open Source-supporting IP lawyers, including Lawrence Lessig, James Boyle, and Eric Saltzman."
I only recall Lessig in that list...and he's the one who lost out against RIAA, despite all the publicity and his blog. I'm not being harsh or anything - I also remember references to him in an article in TheRegister - Googlewashing, Jimmy Moore, Googlewash article. Lessig didn't come across very highly over there.
"And Creative Commons licenses aren't just BSD-licenses. They have licenses with features VERY much like GPL. They also have BSD-like licenses. It's your choice. You decide."
And therein lies the dilution of the Open Source philosophy. The GPL is more than enough and hugely popular. No reasons to move away from GPL, atleast IMO.
I think there's more to this than meets the eye. Creative Commons seems designed with vultures like MS in mind. Somewhat like BSD style licensing. Miight scae less people, but they don't appear to have enuff chutzpah to stand up for their beliefs.
I didn't suspect 3 digit trolls existed - but anyways...
My question is this: Why should MS redesign the kernel of Win95 to include PnP or WLAN or anything of that sort?? Even MS DOS can support PnP and 1394. It's this packaging that promotes upgrades - there's no technical reason why MS can't offer USB or anything else in 95.
There's no such need to confuse users in the Open Source world.
Try news.google.com - a month back, Google listed 3 wrong links; now it's just this story - 10 mins ago.
I even posted this in these forums - I was responding to the porevious Oregon bill story then. More later...
" 95 is nearly completely lacking in USB support"
Any technical reason why USB support needs an OS overhaul?? Even DOS can support USB.
"USB storage devices don't work out-of-the-box in 98, and do in Me,2k, and XP"
Again, USB has been screwed up by Windows to behave as you describe.
"1394 support - Like USB, it's not in '95. "
Again, why should an interface/protocol requir OS change??
"Windows Movie Maker - Honestly, for basic home-movie editing, WMM 2 is simple and easy "
There's no technical reason why movie editing can't be done with 95. Adobe has many products in this segment.
The rest of your rant is more of the same.Makes business sense to Microsoft. Makes sense for users to switch to Linux.
Sometime back, I tried searching thru the Google news site, for the Oregon Open Source bill. Curiously, I got a wrong reference to a March 6 Slashdot article. Right now, Google lists 'zero' matches for an "Oregon Microsoft Slashdot" search.
Something crazy going on between Google and Slashdot? Why this hide-and-seek??
Ditto.. Closed Source is sexy to start off, offers all the thrills, bells and whistles. When users get hooked, in come the lock-ins, lock-outs, bundling, viruses, spam, bloat, messing up of the UI, etc.
Win95-->Win98-->WinME--->WinXP is a case in point.
Nothing for a user in XP, that he can't do with Win95.
OTOH, look at GNU/Linux over the last 8 years!
"You can't even install the .Net framework on '95, or hell, run any software made in the last 2 years. "
.Net framework essential to read .Net hotmail? Mozilla will do just fine. .Net is in fact being removed from MS branding - it's useless for JoeServicePack anyway.
My question is:"What tangible benefit is there, in running the latest software?" Is
" Microsoft Office and Microsoft Windows are about the worst examples of "typical" closed source projects imaginable"
Let's remove a few words now...
" Microsoft Office and Microsoft Windows are about the worst closed source projects imaginable". Makes sense - agreed.
" Nothing for a user in XP, that he can't do with Win95.
Ladies and gentlemen, please do not feed the troll."
Can you think up a better response? Exactly what can Joe ServicPack achieve with XP, that cannot be done with '95??
"You are spreading FUD, pure and simple."
If you're 'Fraid of the truth, Uncertain about your opinions, or Doubt your own logic, it can't be helped...
"Apache and IIS would be a marginally more fair comparison," Granted.. compare Linux and Windows over the past 8 years, then.
Closed Source is sexy to start off, offers all the thrills, bells and whistles. When users get hooked, in come the lock-ins, lock-outs, bundling, viruses, spam, bloat, messing up of the UI, etc.
Win95-->Win98-->WinME--->WinXP is a case in point.
Nothing for a user in XP, that he can't do with Win95.
OTOH, look at apache over the last 8 years!
Here's mp3.com removing High-bandwidth streams, and now we go and slashdot it to oblivion! What next? We get 128kBps AAC from mp3.com??
" It's not even a story because 'some company is allowing MS monopolistic tactics to compromise various business deals, including, but probably not limited to, the Linux OS.'"
I think it's a story of spreading SCO-FUD to NewZealand, after getting kicked by LinuxTag in Germany. Since the SCO case is gonna take months before anything further happens, FUD is being spread around at prospective Linux newbies. This monopoly stuff is ir-relevant and im-material.
I must confess this is the first time I'm hearing about Neuros. Okay, I've heard as short for 'Neurotics'. With such things like Personal Submarines, Personal Rockets, Z80 based webservers etc., can't we have a Slashdot store or something? Anyone know what does this Neuros stuff cost?
" It's not even a story because 'some company is allowing MS monopolistic tactics to compromise various business deals, including, but probably not limited to, the Linux OS.'"
I think it's a story of spreading SCO-FUD to NewZealand, after getting kicked by LinuxTag in Germany. Since the SCO case is gonna take months before anything further happens, FUD is being spread around at prospective Linux newbies. This monopoly stuff is ir-relevant and im-material.