and inducing mammary hyperplasia should be the biggest items I'd imagine. And I'd like to believe Steve benefited from the latter category or emails...
Now let's see what happens when it is Samsung doing what Apple does.
There's a small flaw in your point. Samsung is defending against a patent threat by Ericsson; Samsung has never been the patent aggressor against any competitor; it has always defended by counter-suing.
Apple, on the other hand... have gone thermonuclear with no heed or regard to the consequences.
The title of the complaint is Certain Wireless Communication Equipment and Articles Therein. That description would apply to dozens, no: hundreds, of patent lawsuits in the world. The complaint has not been published yet,
Wrong. The referenced site, fosspatents.com has this update, in a separate blog post:
Meanwhile I've been able to download a copy of Samsung's complaint and can provide more information on the patents-in-suit and the products and technologies at issue.
and then it goes on to list the 7 patents-in-suit that Samsung is asserting against Ericsson.
patentwars.slashdot.org or idiotic-patents.slashdot.org or thermonuclear.slashdot.org or something else; too many articles these days about patents and such. Maybe Armageddon is at hand?
And tell me again how using something the author explicitly gives you permission to use, change, and keep stealing?
It is stealing in the sense, Apple took away valuable stuff created by students at UC, Berkley without paying a cent for it, nor respecting the sentiment behind the creator's ideals.
The BSD license and philosophy, I'm not sure you understand it...
I very well know that the BSD license is 'freer' and more permissive than the GPL, which was the motivation for Apple to steal BSD licensed code and close their additions to it. Totally antithetical to the BSD philosophy. But it would've been of educative value to lay people.They would understand how corporations are running away with the fruits of research work done by students, gratis... and patenting trivial additions, depriving the very same students of access to low cost products, because of these absurd patents. Corporates like Marvell and Apple would think 10 times before touching research projects, if the Universities take patents on students' research work.
A story about CMU suing Marvell for patent infringement and you are blabbering about Apple?
I'm not the one blabbering. If you'd cared to read the referenced article (I know, I know... it's a dirty trait over here); you'll see references to the Apple-Samsung patent case.
That leaves the recent $1.05bn jury award to Apple in its case versus Samsung as the largest outstanding figure - the judge in the case has yet to finalise the sum.
I was just wondering the fallout of the UC, Berkley having applied for, and gotten patents on implementations of their ideas in BSD Unix.
then Apple would've been trillions in debt; would be wonderful to watch the squirming execs defending copying valuable ideas and products for free; but patenting trivial stuff and charging billions.
Why the hell would you use Google Docs for Taxi Dispatch?
Er... not me; but a prospective client of ours was using Google Docs, Gmail and Google Talk to co-ordinate the entire taxi dispatch system. We replaced his entire infrastructure with an open source based front-end, talking to a GPS-based location-tracker service provider. Now he has been able to reduce his workforce by 60% while increasing the number of taxis managed.
But my point is; it is possible to do excellent real-time collaboration with free Google tools, at high reliability. Which is simply not possible with Microsoft solutions, inspite of paying hefty sums of money.
Wait, what? Are you talking about the ability to do real-time collaborative editing of Word documents here?
Two key features: Cost and Convenience. With Google docs, it is integrated with gmail and Google Talk, which provides a complete infrastructure to accomplish the needed collaboration. All that is need is a browser, be it Chrome or Firefox. With the Microsoft approach; I don't know... maybe I need MS Office for all (not operable through Android tablets unlike Google docs), then I dont think it is integrated with Hotmail or MSN Messenger; maybe I need to get Sharepoint for all for collaborating, and God knows what else. And to top it all, every 3 years, some jerk at Microsoft would introduce a clippy, ribbons, hair-bands, necklaces and what not. And all users need to go up the upgrade treadmill to accomplish the same thing while consuming more resources in lesser number of platforms at a greater cost and frustration. No thanks, I will stick to Google docs.
You want to run an Apache+MySQL+PHP app *on* a tablet? You are doing it wrong.
Why is this wrong? A tablet has a 1GHz+ CPU, 256MB+ RAM and a network interface, and option to connect a keyboard and mouse as well. I can get a 10" tablet for under $180 from Archos for this purpose. So why is it wrong to expect to run my LAMP stack app on this? Should I redesign my entire code on Android Java stack just because Google expects me to?
Speak for yourself. I use Google Docs for lots of things, where Word simply does not fit. For ex:
1. Daily time-sheets of my team members with details of work done, and time spent, with status.
2. Project progress of my department; which plugs into the that of the entire division.
etc.
3. A taxi dispatch system uses Google docs to find out current location, availability, status etc using Google docs. Word is totally unusable in such scenarios.
What can Ubuntu do on a tablet that Android can't?
Lots of things. Say you have an app built using the LAMP stack; and want to tun it on the tablet. You can't do that on Android since the APM stack is still not good enough in Android. So you either rewrite your app in Android-Java, or run it in a browser, hosted elsewhere on a proper Intel server. But Ubuntu on a tablet would be a better fit in more than 90% use cases.
It's not like tablets are full-fledged PCs
Why not? Like a PC, a tablet has a CPU, RAM, enough storage, and more options for 100% always-on networking than the PC's LAN or WiFi. Many tablets support full USB so keyboards and mice can be connected when required.
Android is just the Linux kernel without GNU; a full fledged GNU/Linux would be a very useful gadget.
"Itâ(TM)s also why weâ(TM)ll push deeper into the cloud, making it even easier, faster and cost effective to scale out modern infrastructure on the cloud of your choice, or create clouds for your own consumption and commerce."
I feel Mark had 3 pegs more than normal when he spoke the above. Can anyone suggest a proper geek-speak version?
would be those that run Linux instead of Android. Archos tablets support Angstrom Linux, but it would be better if one of the bigger OEMs such as Acer were o offer Linux tablets. Many more use cases and usage senarios would be possible then.
Europeans are better endowed when it comes to matters of intellect, than Americans. So maybe this patent should be invalidated in Europe but not in the US.
Yeah, this bit of info could be of relevance to nerds. Infringement of 3 software patents has been adjudicated by a jury for over a billion dollars. So a single software patent can fetch you more than enough money to build yourself a complete custom made yacht. From one infringing company, that too.
Guess that could be enough motivation for nerds to obtain software patents.
I don't understand this gold thing against which the commercial value of this bee sting is being compared. Please express this in terms of:
1. Bags of potato fries (for fitness conscious folks) 2. The average software patent (for nerds like us) 3. Members of the senate (who care so much for us) 4. iPhones (everyone seems to want one) 5. Windows 8 licenses (see above) 6. First posts on/. (I wish this one was)
How does that follow? Many Android phone makers are content with just doing enough to compete with closed platforms of competitors; and not implementing many possible features taking advantage of the 'open' nature of Android, and Google's other offerings besides Android. Some like HTC have caved in, screwing their customers in the bargain, which is a long term setback for Google's Android platform.
By building a complete phone themselves, other patent wielding companies would have to sue Google (or Motorola Mobility, which is Google anyway) directly, which is a tougher proposition fraught with risk for the patent aggressor, given Google's resources compared to say, HTC.
But today's construction sets...invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick...
Absolutely sensible approach. Today's child is growing up in today's environment, and will become a designer tomorrow. Today, if you create a design for which some idiot possesses a design patent, the latter will sue you for billions of dollars. If you have a brick with rounded corners, is glossy or black in colour, even God cannot save you from litigious thugs.The child needs to learn this lesson very early, and learn to 'behave' and 'obey' and 'conform' rather than be creative.
So Lego has researched and come up with designs which are not encumbered by prior art or patents; and given detailed instructions for kids to follow. 10 years from now, a design company would have about a 100 lawyers for every 5 designers. These lawyers would tell the designers exactly what to design, what not to design, and how not to be too successful and gain the wrath of patent holding Big Businesses.
So Google is not only content with releasing an open source operating system which other hardware vendors can use to build phones and tablets. They are also parallely working on their own designs and implementations to take full commercial benefit of the platform they have created. Good to see.
I also agree with the lubricous amounts of money for damages in case of infringement.
Your statement is unclear. Do you agree that the damages claimed by patent holders from infringers are ludicrous, or do you assert that even though the damages levied might appear ludicrous, it is justified in your view?
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and inducing mammary hyperplasia should be the biggest items I'd imagine. And I'd like to believe Steve benefited from the latter category or emails...
Atleast in the EU, there is some evidence that intelligent life exists, and rational debate is encouraged.
Now let's see what happens when it is Samsung doing what Apple does.
There's a small flaw in your point. Samsung is defending against a patent threat by Ericsson; Samsung has never been the patent aggressor against any competitor; it has always defended by counter-suing.
Apple, on the other hand... have gone thermonuclear with no heed or regard to the consequences.
The title of the complaint is Certain Wireless Communication Equipment and Articles Therein. That description would apply to dozens, no: hundreds, of patent lawsuits in the world. The complaint has not been published yet,
Wrong. The referenced site, fosspatents.com has this update, in a separate blog post:
Meanwhile I've been able to download a copy of Samsung's complaint and can provide more information on the patents-in-suit and the products and technologies at issue.
and then it goes on to list the 7 patents-in-suit that Samsung is asserting against Ericsson.
patentwars.slashdot.org
or
idiotic-patents.slashdot.org
or
thermonuclear.slashdot.org
or
something else; too many articles these days about patents and such. Maybe Armageddon is at hand?
And tell me again how using something the author explicitly gives you permission to use, change, and keep stealing?
It is stealing in the sense, Apple took away valuable stuff created by students at UC, Berkley without paying a cent for it, nor respecting the sentiment behind the creator's ideals.
The BSD license and philosophy, I'm not sure you understand it...
I very well know that the BSD license is 'freer' and more permissive than the GPL, which was the motivation for Apple to steal BSD licensed code and close their additions to it. Totally antithetical to the BSD philosophy. But it would've been of educative value to lay people.They would understand how corporations are running away with the fruits of research work done by students, gratis... and patenting trivial additions, depriving the very same students of access to low cost products, because of these absurd patents. Corporates like Marvell and Apple would think 10 times before touching research projects, if the Universities take patents on students' research work.
A story about CMU suing Marvell for patent infringement and you are blabbering about Apple?
I'm not the one blabbering. If you'd cared to read the referenced article (I know, I know... it's a dirty trait over here); you'll see references to the Apple-Samsung patent case.
I was just wondering the fallout of the UC, Berkley having applied for, and gotten patents on implementations of their ideas in BSD Unix.
then Apple would've been trillions in debt; would be wonderful to watch the squirming execs defending copying valuable ideas and products for free; but patenting trivial stuff and charging billions.
By now we would've seen patent reform.
Why the hell would you use Google Docs for Taxi Dispatch?
Er... not me; but a prospective client of ours was using Google Docs, Gmail and Google Talk to co-ordinate the entire taxi dispatch system. We replaced his entire infrastructure with an open source based front-end, talking to a GPS-based location-tracker service provider. Now he has been able to reduce his workforce by 60% while increasing the number of taxis managed.
But my point is; it is possible to do excellent real-time collaboration with free Google tools, at high reliability. Which is simply not possible with Microsoft solutions, inspite of paying hefty sums of money.
Wait, what? Are you talking about the ability to do real-time collaborative editing of Word documents here?
Two key features: Cost and Convenience. With Google docs, it is integrated with gmail and Google Talk, which provides a complete infrastructure to accomplish the needed collaboration. All that is need is a browser, be it Chrome or Firefox. With the Microsoft approach; I don't know... maybe I need MS Office for all (not operable through Android tablets unlike Google docs), then I dont think it is integrated with Hotmail or MSN Messenger; maybe I need to get Sharepoint for all for collaborating, and God knows what else. And to top it all, every 3 years, some jerk at Microsoft would introduce a clippy, ribbons, hair-bands, necklaces and what not. And all users need to go up the upgrade treadmill to accomplish the same thing while consuming more resources in lesser number of platforms at a greater cost and frustration. No thanks, I will stick to Google docs.
You want to run an Apache+MySQL+PHP app *on* a tablet? You are doing it wrong.
Why is this wrong? A tablet has a 1GHz+ CPU, 256MB+ RAM and a network interface, and option to connect a keyboard and mouse as well. I can get a 10" tablet for under $180 from Archos for this purpose. So why is it wrong to expect to run my LAMP stack app on this? Should I redesign my entire code on Android Java stack just because Google expects me to?
it has features that fit any conceivable needs
Speak for yourself. I use Google Docs for lots of things, where Word simply does not fit. For ex:
1. Daily time-sheets of my team members with details of work done, and time spent, with status.
2. Project progress of my department; which plugs into the that of the entire division.
etc.
3. A taxi dispatch system uses Google docs to find out current location, availability, status etc using Google docs. Word is totally unusable in such scenarios.
What can Ubuntu do on a tablet that Android can't?
Lots of things. Say you have an app built using the LAMP stack; and want to tun it on the tablet. You can't do that on Android since the APM stack is still not good enough in Android. So you either rewrite your app in Android-Java, or run it in a browser, hosted elsewhere on a proper Intel server. But Ubuntu on a tablet would be a better fit in more than 90% use cases.
It's not like tablets are full-fledged PCs
Why not? Like a PC, a tablet has a CPU, RAM, enough storage, and more options for 100% always-on networking than the PC's LAN or WiFi. Many tablets support full USB so keyboards and mice can be connected when required.
Android is just the Linux kernel without GNU; a full fledged GNU/Linux would be a very useful gadget.
"Itâ(TM)s also why weâ(TM)ll push deeper into the cloud, making it even easier, faster and cost effective to scale out modern infrastructure on the cloud of your choice, or create clouds for your own consumption and commerce."
I feel Mark had 3 pegs more than normal when he spoke the above. Can anyone suggest a proper geek-speak version?
would be those that run Linux instead of Android. Archos tablets support Angstrom Linux, but it would be better if one of the bigger OEMs such as Acer were o offer Linux tablets. Many more use cases and usage senarios would be possible then.
Europeans are better endowed when it comes to matters of intellect, than Americans. So maybe this patent should be invalidated in Europe but not in the US.
is the smiley patent, awarded to Microsoft.
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-frowned-at-for-smiley-patent-3039210396/
That could be used to get injunctions over any number of devices. Virtual handshakes and hugs have limited use cases, in my view.
(valued at 137.5 million dollars)
Yeah, this bit of info could be of relevance to nerds. Infringement of 3 software patents has been adjudicated by a jury for over a billion dollars. So a single software patent can fetch you more than enough money to build yourself a complete custom made yacht. From one infringing company, that too.
Guess that could be enough motivation for nerds to obtain software patents.
Except that the thing is controlled by Macs with large screens, how is this piece of news relevant on Slashdot?
I don't understand this gold thing against which the commercial value of this bee sting is being compared. Please express this in terms of:
1. Bags of potato fries (for fitness conscious folks) /. (I wish this one was)
2. The average software patent (for nerds like us)
3. Members of the senate (who care so much for us)
4. iPhones (everyone seems to want one)
5. Windows 8 licenses (see above)
6. First posts on
How does that follow? Many Android phone makers are content with just doing enough to compete with closed platforms of competitors; and not implementing many possible features taking advantage of the 'open' nature of Android, and Google's other offerings besides Android. Some like HTC have caved in, screwing their customers in the bargain, which is a long term setback for Google's Android platform.
By building a complete phone themselves, other patent wielding companies would have to sue Google (or Motorola Mobility, which is Google anyway) directly, which is a tougher proposition fraught with risk for the patent aggressor, given Google's resources compared to say, HTC.
But today's construction sets ...invite users to follow detailed directions, not construct their own creations from whole brick...
Absolutely sensible approach. Today's child is growing up in today's environment, and will become a designer tomorrow. Today, if you create a design for which some idiot possesses a design patent, the latter will sue you for billions of dollars. If you have a brick with rounded corners, is glossy or black in colour, even God cannot save you from litigious thugs.The child needs to learn this lesson very early, and learn to 'behave' and 'obey' and 'conform' rather than be creative.
So Lego has researched and come up with designs which are not encumbered by prior art or patents; and given detailed instructions for kids to follow. 10 years from now, a design company would have about a 100 lawyers for every 5 designers. These lawyers would tell the designers exactly what to design, what not to design, and how not to be too successful and gain the wrath of patent holding Big Businesses.
So Google is not only content with releasing an open source operating system which other hardware vendors can use to build phones and tablets. They are also parallely working on their own designs and implementations to take full commercial benefit of the platform they have created. Good to see.
I also agree with the lubricous amounts of money for damages in case of infringement.
Your statement is unclear. Do you agree that the damages claimed by patent holders from infringers are ludicrous, or do you assert that even though the damages levied might appear ludicrous, it is justified in your view?