I haven't seen anyone mention this and I read all the modded up comments but this part of the article:
"For some reason, Adobe's official Acrobat Reader binaries have never worked in any version of Fedora, at least not for me or my students."
Has a fix, DaG's repository has acroread on it. He said he configured yum sources though he must have missed dag which for me has some of the best goodies. uncomment:
[dag]
name=Dag APT Repository
baseurl=http://dag.freshrpms.net/redhat/fc$release ver/en/$basearch/dag
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/freshrpms/pub/dag/redhat/ fc$releasever/en/$basearch/dag
I wonder if you waited long. The only problem I've had with up2date since FC2 is if I minimize it and bring it back up later, the window will be blank until a graphic changes (like the progress bar moves) then the text returns. It looks like a crash but it does its thing behind the scenes. The gui is too slow for me anyway, I don't like clicking next all the time so i just "up2date --update" and be done with it. If you have it set to skip packages (like kernel) then you'll need to issue -f like "up2date -f --update" which will grab every update reguardless of what you have set to skip. I've been doing things this way for a couple years.
You do know there was a fix for that parted bug right? not only can you avoid it entirely on install but you can also recover the data if you already borked the tables. type 'windows fedora recover parted' (without quotes) in google. The first hit tells you how, Thats what I did a few months ago and it worked fine.
A ton of tools are available for nix boxes, take a look at the live cd security distros. Tons of perl scripts or.c files. infosec geeks don't need fancy GUI's we need little scripts that can be piped or molded for different needs. look at all the tools that have been ported to win32 from linux/bsd like hping, nmap, nessus, ethereal, netcat, nemesis, datapipe, fport, lcrzoex, snort, etc. It's the closed source guys who need to get cracking. Look at Foundstone all they do is port stuff cause the win32 crap sucks. OSS tools are the ones leading the pack on this front. That being said perhaps Snort could be a bit easier/less prone to false positives, I couldn't grasp it completly until getting a book on it.
"GFS is more like IBM's SAN Filesystem (a.k.a. Storage Tank)"
Red Hat sure has been busy this week, taking on Sun with thier open source java, and now IBM. Whatever the case Red Hat has become agressive and might be a "major" player if it's not already. BTW I'm surprised Slashdot didn't cover that story about Red Hat's eclipse being compiled without suns JVM, here is a snippet from this page
Instead of running on top of a virtual machine the way Java programs usually do--although that can still be done if the user prefers--Red Hat's version of Eclipse is compiled to binary and runs natively using the libgcj runtime libraries, similar to the way a C program runs using the GNU C libraries.
cool stuff.
The GFS software lets files be stored in a single file system shared by numerous servers. The information can reside on servers themselves or on a storage area network.
The software is used to speed data access and replicate information so it's still available even if individual machines fail. It's useful for the two conventional types of clusters: groups of machines linked so one can take over for another in case of a problem, and groups linked as part of a sprawling supercomputer.
Red Hat GFS is tuned to work with Oracle's 9i RAC, database software that can spread across multiple clustered machines, and work with Red Hat's cluster software for ensuring services remain available despite computer problems.
Of course it will, It's GPL and looking for inclusing into the kernel. Just like everything else from Red Hat. If you expect them to optimize it for SuSe, Mandrake, Gentoo you're mistaken but sometimes they supply Debian packages for things they write. If it doesn't get accepted upstream for whatever reason It's up to vendors to supply the packages, not the writer of the software.
"WHY NOT? I've been trying to think of a reason NOT to list the sites infected, but I can't think of a good one. "
Because it makes the sites look bad, if they tell someone in confidence "hey, there is a new exploit going around they used on us, tell everyone to use Mozilla" What do you think they'll say next time? "what? us? no, everything is fine, keep using IE"
You were suppose to write down the CHS values first which results in no problem at all, we're sorry to inform you, you have failed but for your effort here is a key chain.
You mean Iraqi's are now getting tech jobs?
pre-war they had 1 million soldier employed, now they employ what 100,000 soldiers? The economy there is bad for ex killers or skilled labor workers from what I hear, but the tech is booming, doctors, teachers, educated people are seeing double and triple thier old incomes. It's possible this war could change iraq into a technical competitor. Now if only the U.S. could pay our own teachers here triple....
here is a decent benchmark I remember from a while ago. 2.6 put alot of work in and is better to on-par with most tests, though all statistics are flawed, the code for the benchmarking is open if you want to give it a shot.
Windows and Red Hat Linux we hear about here now and then). Open source software, on the other hand
What do you think Red Hat is? It has been forked more times than I can count and It's software ended up in every major distro. Red Hat isn't Microsoft, it isn't Sun, it isn't Intel okay?
- Gentoo to compile and make my old hardware still useful
How long does a Gentoo compile take on a 486 or p233 anyway?
I mean really, I don't see how you can get "better" performance from a source based distro since your system is basically useless anytime there is an update. I'd rather have binarys and just recompile the kernel, glibc and maybe 1 or 2 other things I can't think of. Anything else after that would be ridiculous.
Yours is the best post so far.
Posture is very important. Maybe working out alittle bit is good, not to look bigger, but because it will give you confidence you can't fake. Walk normal and don't cling to your goodies. If you see a group of people ahead of you, don't walk through them or away, approach them like you might reconize one of them before looking ahead to go about your business. All this comes down to one thing, not looking like a tourist in thier neighborhood. You can't prevent trouble but you can prevent cowards who look for weakness.
Unfortunatly I caught this story too late It would have been nice for people to see the solution I used posted from here
Boot from the Rescue CD (there is no need to start networking or mount
drives) (at the boot: prompt type "linux rescue")
Issue the command: fdisk -l/dev/hda to print the current partition table
to screen in non-interactive mode.
Write down the drive geometry as reported at the beginning of the output
from fdisk. This is reported as number of Cylinders, Heads, and Sectors
(hence the name CHS).
You can now reboot the computer by simultaneously holding down the keys
Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
You can now boot the Fedora Core 2 installation CD. At the first menu prompt
you should now choose to run the installer with the known geometry.
Example: linux hda=14593,255,63
The installer should now run normally and not alter your partition table
geometry entry. If, for any reason, this geometry should be changed
regardless of this preventative step, please use the recovery steps to
correct the geometry of the drive as reported by the partition table.
I have confirmed this works with no problems and is safe, just make sure you get into the shell for fdisk -l as soon as you can, if you go too far into the install you'll hit the bug, the idea is to get everything copied before parted uses the bogus values.
my rule of thumb is usually to wait for the second release by a distro, fedora core 3 or mdk 11 for example with something like a new kernel or selinux implementation. Nothing is ever 100% right the first time given to the masses.
You missed the entire point of my post. Some people, indeed, might want to actually learn about the system they are using.
okay point one.. how come you 'actually' can learn your system and I can not? Maybe they want to administer their home system instead of accepting the default configuration.
I can't change my default Red Hat configuration? I assure you I absoultly can. But don't you dare tell me not to present other options to a newbie who asks what options there are!
You can tell a newbie anything you want, But if you tell him you can't change a default on mandrake or you don't learn anything on Red Hat you'd be giving him incorrect advice.
Seperate disks doesn't matter with this issue, I had XP on hda and installed FC2-test2 on hdb and this bug still bit me. If you install in a work enviornment you definatly should NOT dual boot but if you do there is a safe way of tricking the hard drives into thinking they are both hda and not touching the other. Learn about it here It doesn't work for everyone but if it does, problems like this wont happen again.
Finally half way down the thread someone admits It's not just a Fedora issue. SuSe 9.1 also has the problem Mandrake Bug SuSe Bug
Read This Page If you want to find out whats responsible.
If they want to learn Unix, learn the OS and environment inside and out, how it works, etc., then stay away from the newbie distros.
A ton of people say this but who wants to learn UNIX anymore? The idea is to learn 'linux' in that case you learn Red Hat or SuSe so even if you don't like it you learned a trade. Oh because Slackware uses system V its WAY more elite than Red Hat. You guys make it sound like if you use the CLI on a 'newbie' distro the system crashes and spits out "we only use GUI" error messages. I can do anything you guys can do. Except someone will hire me for doing it. When was the last "Debian certified" job you saw in the paper? Okay I'm starting to flame a bit but its FUD man, GUI tools are there if you 'want' them I still know how init works even though chkconfig does it for me, I know how to use vi even though there is gedit, this argument is ridiculous.
Gentoo doesn't force you to learn linux, it forces you to learn gentoo.
Debian isn't 'standard' unix it uses its own init system aswell.
Being 'forced to learn' means it is broken. Learning should be an option not a requirement. I can learn C++ and MakeFiles without emerge breaking, I can learn perl even if drakeconf runs perfect, I can learn iptables even if the firewall config isn't broken. But maybe I don't want to learn all three. Maybe I want to use my system for something else.
Fedora is starting to pick up after the bad publicity because slowly the emotional "red hat is microsoft" knee jerk reaction has died down as people have become informed with the slow trickle facts.
Red Hat made a marketing blunder but when all is said and done, It's only marketing. Instead of Red Hat is now open, we heard, red hat beat baby seal with MCSE tech manual.
Slashdot Mirror
I haven't seen anyone mention this and I read all the modded up comments but this part of the article:
:e ver/en/$basearch/dag/ fc$releasever/en/$basearch/dag
"For some reason, Adobe's official Acrobat Reader binaries have never worked in any version of Fedora, at least not for me or my students."
Has a fix, DaG's repository has acroread on it. He said he configured yum sources though he must have missed dag which for me has some of the best goodies. uncomment
[dag]
name=Dag APT Repository
baseurl=http://dag.freshrpms.net/redhat/fc$releas
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/freshrpms/pub/dag/redhat
Then type 'yum install acroread'
I wonder if you waited long. The only problem I've had with up2date since FC2 is if I minimize it and bring it back up later, the window will be blank until a graphic changes (like the progress bar moves) then the text returns. It looks like a crash but it does its thing behind the scenes. The gui is too slow for me anyway, I don't like clicking next all the time so i just "up2date --update" and be done with it. If you have it set to skip packages (like kernel) then you'll need to issue -f like "up2date -f --update" which will grab every update reguardless of what you have set to skip. I've been doing things this way for a couple years.
You do know there was a fix for that parted bug right? not only can you avoid it entirely on install but you can also recover the data if you already borked the tables. type 'windows fedora recover parted' (without quotes) in google. The first hit tells you how, Thats what I did a few months ago and it worked fine.
A ton of tools are available for nix boxes, take a look at the live cd security distros. Tons of perl scripts or .c files. infosec geeks don't need fancy GUI's we need little scripts that can be piped or molded for different needs. look at all the tools that have been ported to win32 from linux/bsd like hping, nmap, nessus, ethereal, netcat, nemesis, datapipe, fport, lcrzoex, snort, etc. It's the closed source guys who need to get cracking. Look at Foundstone all they do is port stuff cause the win32 crap sucks. OSS tools are the ones leading the pack on this front. That being said perhaps Snort could be a bit easier/less prone to false positives, I couldn't grasp it completly until getting a book on it.
I'm really liking your posts today, It's refreshing to see the B.S. confronted.
"GFS is more like IBM's SAN Filesystem (a.k.a. Storage Tank)"
Red Hat sure has been busy this week, taking on Sun with thier open source java, and now IBM. Whatever the case Red Hat has become agressive and might be a "major" player if it's not already. BTW I'm surprised Slashdot didn't cover that story about Red Hat's eclipse being compiled without suns JVM, here is a snippet from this page
Instead of running on top of a virtual machine the way Java programs usually do--although that can still be done if the user prefers--Red Hat's version of Eclipse is compiled to binary and runs natively using the libgcj runtime libraries, similar to the way a C program runs using the GNU C libraries.
cool stuff.
"San Jose Mercury news indicates Yahoo!, Earthlink, and EBay. True, not true?"
Possibly e-bay but Yahoo uses fBSD and Earthlink uses Solaris. Not sure how they'd be running IIS ( or would want to for that matter )
Yes, here is a news.com article on it.
The GFS software lets files be stored in a single file system shared by numerous servers. The information can reside on servers themselves or on a storage area network.
The software is used to speed data access and replicate information so it's still available even if individual machines fail. It's useful for the two conventional types of clusters: groups of machines linked so one can take over for another in case of a problem, and groups linked as part of a sprawling supercomputer.
Red Hat GFS is tuned to work with Oracle's 9i RAC, database software that can spread across multiple clustered machines, and work with Red Hat's cluster software for ensuring services remain available despite computer problems.
"Will it run on distros other than Redhat?"
Of course it will, It's GPL and looking for inclusing into the kernel. Just like everything else from Red Hat. If you expect them to optimize it for SuSe, Mandrake, Gentoo you're mistaken but sometimes they supply Debian packages for things they write. If it doesn't get accepted upstream for whatever reason It's up to vendors to supply the packages, not the writer of the software.
"WHY NOT? I've been trying to think of a reason NOT to list the sites infected, but I can't think of a good one. "
Because it makes the sites look bad, if they tell someone in confidence "hey, there is a new exploit going around they used on us, tell everyone to use Mozilla" What do you think they'll say next time? "what? us? no, everything is fine, keep using IE"
Why, who's that informing? This is slashdot you don't think anyone has heard of mozilla? Now that's funny!
What about SCO licenses? are the wholesale prices?
You were suppose to write down the CHS values first which results in no problem at all, we're sorry to inform you, you have failed but for your effort here is a key chain.
You mean Iraqi's are now getting tech jobs?
pre-war they had 1 million soldier employed, now they employ what 100,000 soldiers? The economy there is bad for ex killers or skilled labor workers from what I hear, but the tech is booming, doctors, teachers, educated people are seeing double and triple thier old incomes. It's possible this war could change iraq into a technical competitor. Now if only the U.S. could pay our own teachers here triple....
here is a decent benchmark I remember from a while ago. 2.6 put alot of work in and is better to on-par with most tests, though all statistics are flawed, the code for the benchmarking is open if you want to give it a shot.
Windows and Red Hat Linux we hear about here now and then). Open source software, on the other hand
What do you think Red Hat is? It has been forked more times than I can count and It's software ended up in every major distro. Red Hat isn't Microsoft, it isn't Sun, it isn't Intel okay?
- Gentoo to compile and make my old hardware still useful
How long does a Gentoo compile take on a 486 or p233 anyway?
I mean really, I don't see how you can get "better" performance from a source based distro since your system is basically useless anytime there is an update. I'd rather have binarys and just recompile the kernel, glibc and maybe 1 or 2 other things I can't think of. Anything else after that would be ridiculous.
Yours is the best post so far.
Posture is very important. Maybe working out alittle bit is good, not to look bigger, but because it will give you confidence you can't fake. Walk normal and don't cling to your goodies. If you see a group of people ahead of you, don't walk through them or away, approach them like you might reconize one of them before looking ahead to go about your business. All this comes down to one thing, not looking like a tourist in thier neighborhood. You can't prevent trouble but you can prevent cowards who look for weakness.
Unfortunatly I caught this story too late It would have been nice for people to see the solution I used posted from here
/dev/hda to print the current partition table
to screen in non-interactive mode.
Boot from the Rescue CD (there is no need to start networking or mount drives) (at the boot: prompt type "linux rescue") Issue the command: fdisk -l
Write down the drive geometry as reported at the beginning of the output from fdisk. This is reported as number of Cylinders, Heads, and Sectors (hence the name CHS).
You can now reboot the computer by simultaneously holding down the keys Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
You can now boot the Fedora Core 2 installation CD. At the first menu prompt you should now choose to run the installer with the known geometry.
Example: linux hda=14593,255,63
The installer should now run normally and not alter your partition table geometry entry. If, for any reason, this geometry should be changed regardless of this preventative step, please use the recovery steps to correct the geometry of the drive as reported by the partition table.
I have confirmed this works with no problems and is safe, just make sure you get into the shell for fdisk -l as soon as you can, if you go too far into the install you'll hit the bug, the idea is to get everything copied before parted uses the bogus values.
my rule of thumb is usually to wait for the second release by a distro, fedora core 3 or mdk 11 for example with something like a new kernel or selinux implementation. Nothing is ever 100% right the first time given to the masses.
You missed the entire point of my post.
Some people, indeed, might want to actually learn about the system they are using.
okay point one.. how come you 'actually' can learn your system and I can not?
Maybe they want to administer their home system instead of accepting the default configuration.
I can't change my default Red Hat configuration? I assure you I absoultly can.
But don't you dare tell me not to present other options to a newbie who asks what options there are!
You can tell a newbie anything you want, But if you tell him you can't change a default on mandrake or you don't learn anything on Red Hat you'd be giving him incorrect advice.
Seperate disks doesn't matter with this issue, I had XP on hda and installed FC2-test2 on hdb and this bug still bit me. If you install in a work enviornment you definatly should NOT dual boot but if you do there is a safe way of tricking the hard drives into thinking they are both hda and not touching the other. Learn about it here It doesn't work for everyone but if it does, problems like this wont happen again.
Finally half way down the thread someone admits It's not just a Fedora issue. SuSe 9.1 also has the problem
Mandrake Bug
SuSe Bug
Read This Page If you want to find out whats responsible.
If they want to learn Unix, learn the OS and environment inside and out, how it works, etc., then stay away from the newbie distros.
A ton of people say this but who wants to learn UNIX anymore? The idea is to learn 'linux' in that case you learn Red Hat or SuSe so even if you don't like it you learned a trade. Oh because Slackware uses system V its WAY more elite than Red Hat. You guys make it sound like if you use the CLI on a 'newbie' distro the system crashes and spits out "we only use GUI" error messages. I can do anything you guys can do. Except someone will hire me for doing it. When was the last "Debian certified" job you saw in the paper? Okay I'm starting to flame a bit but its FUD man, GUI tools are there if you 'want' them I still know how init works even though chkconfig does it for me, I know how to use vi even though there is gedit, this argument is ridiculous.
Gentoo doesn't force you to learn linux, it forces you to learn gentoo.
Debian isn't 'standard' unix it uses its own init system aswell.
Being 'forced to learn' means it is broken. Learning should be an option not a requirement. I can learn C++ and MakeFiles without emerge breaking, I can learn perl even if drakeconf runs perfect, I can learn iptables even if the firewall config isn't broken. But maybe I don't want to learn all three. Maybe I want to use my system for something else.
Fedora is starting to pick up after the bad publicity because slowly the emotional "red hat is microsoft" knee jerk reaction has died down as people have become informed with the slow trickle facts.
Red Hat made a marketing blunder but when all is said and done, It's only marketing. Instead of Red Hat is now open, we heard, red hat beat baby seal with MCSE tech manual.