A few simple examples: the coverage of the leadup to the Iraq war (cheerleading without any representation of the opposing views)
Maybe because at the time there was basically no _opposing view_. The Senate and house voted by a land slide to go into Iraq, twice as many yes votes as the first Iraq war which was pretty popular itself.
Fox has propaganda speakers that attack the liberal propagandists in NYtimes, Michael Moore, etc. Both sides do it okay? Just cause you agree with liberal fanatics doesn't make them 'fair and ballanced' either k.
well of course there is going to be democrats voting but to suggest the big bad evil Republicans are going to dis enfranchise a section they are going to win by a landslide anyway just doesn't add up.
Like anyone in the Military wants Kerry in control?
"I voted for the 87 Billion before I voted against it"
I willing to bet our military personel want flak jackets.
You are right, Us Americans tend to be a pretty violent culture in many ways but I think the guy's post you responded to still has a valid point. We have laws that prevent average citizens from carrying concealed firearms, in the two states where it is allowed (Texas and Florida) Violent crime has dropped _dramatically_. It makes sense. 99% of the criminals using weapons are just cowards. They pick on the weak, If they never know who has weapons on them they are not as quick to commit a crime.
The US does have vision, we just have problems agreeing, specifically people who have made up their mind that nuke==bad no matter what circumstances. Decades of being told to feel guilty about what we did to Japan and decades of being scared with cold war rhetoric has done its dammage.
You don't even realize how idiotic this sounds do you? A project is forked when it's not functional enough for someone, or a group of people. This basically means Debian is broken and you take it as some badge of honor. The top two distro's Fedora and Mandrake came from the same product. Quantity does not make quality, comparing 50 forked distro's to get your userbase to match or exceed one or two distro's is not a good comparison.
I think the silent majority knows how important Red Hat is and its shown in the numbers of people using fedora.
I'm one of those people, I've mostly given up on making a case for Red Hat on Slashdot, It's like telling them Patents have a place or windows is pretty good, The groupthink is atrocious. That RH contrib's list is huge, 20 major things atleast for instance that SMP problem someone was bitching about well RH took the 2.6 kernel from 2,000 to 50,000 threads sorry if it has a bug.
You're comparing a distro from 8 years ago to todays slackware and think that means anything? Why people modded this up I have no idea. RH 5 was from 1997.
I'm not going to bash slackware since I haven't used it since I think 7 or 8 (can't remember) But I will say that its major hurdle for me was doing everything by hand (editing makefiles). I have Fedora, want to know how many things I've installed from source? 3 everything else is in a repository that is a 'yum install' away. Including flash, java, mp3, nvidia, codecs and everything else people have cried about. There is a problem here, most people haven't tried RH since the 90's and think there is still a GCC problem. I feel RH is thrashed with the same zealotry Windows is and I don't think they have a good enough reason.
American, and Austrailian olympians have to do it with their own funding, unlike China where they pull kids out of school at 5 years old and begin training them for one thing and giving them a million dollars if they win. I forgot which, but a few of their gold medalists are given business. The largest sport shop chain in china is owned by an gold medalist.
It doesn't do any harm to those they hack--except, perhaps, in some of the virus cases
What is your IP? I'm just some guy on the net but since your company finds it okay to trust me with thier credit card database, user information and source code I'd like to do you a favor and teach you a lesson about why its not okay to trust people. Then you'll understand why even if the attacker doesn't sell the CC numbers or sell e-mail addresses to spammers, you STILL have to treat your network as compromized, spending tons of money and time beginning from scratch.. no harm no foul right?.. wrong.
The real question is, why are kids "letting their frustrations out" on police officers? Remember in comic books when the good guy turned the bad guy into the cops? Now the 'good guy' rips the cops guts out and leads the others on a high speed chase killing more. Great fun!
Why is killing now cool, being in a gang, slapping women, cutting class. What happened to the time when being cool was becoming a cop, doctor, fireman or pilot; not becoming a drug dealer.
and the polls they put on thier site are not polls, they're PUSH POLLS.
I just did go to fox's front page and thier poll results are viewable from everyday since may 17th, you can read the results by Click Here for past poll results , they don't hide the ones they don't want you to see like SOME networks. Try going to fox news and read the front page yourself. But if you go to CNN you see only 3 polls unlike FOX having 36, all of the CNN ones which by the way are about kerry and edwards being great! Just try finding the Results for CNN's "quick vote" they do everyday, I couldn't. FoX's are right next to the 'vote' link
I read on fox news the other day FOX isn't allowed in Canada. Maybe you have nothing called a 'patroit act' but it sure looks like you have your own freedom of speech problems in that case doesn't it? Also a poll shows 40% of Canadian teenagers hate the United States. Why should we send you jobs? Your country keeps benifiting from being next to one of, if not the strongest nation in the world but this 'friendship' seems to only go one way. I wouldn't give canada anything until they start helping us (or anyone in the world for that matter)
Incase someone reads this before its modded down the article I got that stuff from is here
Mind explaining to me why you can only 'learn linux' on slackware? I'm really interested in the answer to this because everyone says it but never says why. I can't edit config files with red hat because it has a GUI to do it? I've used red hat for years, I only use one GUI config tool system-config-securitylevel because its faster than throwing in IPtables rules, the others I do by hand, someway, somehow, I've learned linux dispite having GUI software installed.
To anyone who answers I hope you don't bring up slackwares INIT scripts as the REAL way to learn linux cause thats not linux at all. Try being LSB compliant first if you want to have an argument as to which distro teaches you LINUX not bsd or 20 year old unix.
Yes some red hat 'fans' left but I monitor 3 of fedora's lists and I can tell you there is no shortage of suse/mandrake and a few Debian converts. After the initial "red hat shot my dog" emotional rants people settled down about the whole thing. Check out distrowatch Fedora has 1100 hits per day, second most popular distro behind Mandrake and It's only 9 months old; that's not exactly what I call 'abandon ship' everyone seems to be saying.
I don't really think so. RHEL will not be based on fedora, it will be based on RHEL. It will likely 'cherry pick' things from Fedora though, like SElinux, exec-shield, freedesktop, etc; but it might be too much work for the RHEL team to go backwards from Fedora instead of just taking key things out of it. Then again.. see sig.
Mandrake had that bug.
And SuSe also had that bug.
If you mind not spreading fud and educating yourself have a look at This Page Which tells you how to not only recover the problem, but avoid it all together.
This crap is really getting old, stop trying to place blame only on Fedora dev's when every distro with 2.6 kernel has this problem okay?
Not entirely accurate, Mozilla now 'pre-loads' much like IE does but it is still slower on windows, and MUCH slower to load on Linux than on windows; even using read_ahead() on 2.6 kernels; Granted, Mozilla has a much larger feature set.
Fedora recently asked on the list what features requests are there for FC3, I say make this release a optimizations release, patch, patch, patch for security, speed. thats what Linux really needs to work on right now. One minute boot up times to useable GUI is very poor. Minimizing windows shows a trail of window borders like a picture book, It just feels all around heavier and more bloated. I would post a screenshot of what I'm talking about but don't have the bandwith, do this. hit printscreen key and minimize at the exact same time, take a look at the screenshot in gnome.
Because yum is slower to get updates from fedora.redhat.com mirrors. I got an update for the latest kernel about an hour after release but didn't see the yum headers get downloaded until early the next day.
Then why complain? Windows users up until windowsXP (or was it 2k?) had to actually get on the internet and get winzip. And to this day people still have to download software they want like codecs! oh the humanity! Making poor users type words in search engines. I would rather have users jump though the hoop of typing yum install xmms-mp3 than one day read the slashdot thread "fedora has been sued by company who made recent deal with MS".
For all the hundreds of applications Fedora comes with by default that MS doesn't provide by default can't we allow them to not include about 4 or 5 things?
Slashdot Mirror
A few simple examples: the coverage of the leadup to the Iraq war (cheerleading without any representation of the opposing views)
Maybe because at the time there was basically no _opposing view_. The Senate and house voted by a land slide to go into Iraq, twice as many yes votes as the first Iraq war which was pretty popular itself.
Fox has propaganda speakers that attack the liberal propagandists in NYtimes, Michael Moore, etc. Both sides do it okay? Just cause you agree with liberal fanatics doesn't make them 'fair and ballanced' either k.
well of course there is going to be democrats voting but to suggest the big bad evil Republicans are going to dis enfranchise a section they are going to win by a landslide anyway just doesn't add up.
I can only hope that the rest of the world realizes there are still some people in america who are AGAINST Bush and everything he stands for.
Yes, and we're trying our best to get you to move, any suggestions?
Nice post, glad I caught it before you were modded down, thanks.
Like anyone in the Military wants Kerry in control?
"I voted for the 87 Billion before I voted against it"
I willing to bet our military personel want flak jackets.
You are right, Us Americans tend to be a pretty violent culture in many ways but I think the guy's post you responded to still has a valid point. We have laws that prevent average citizens from carrying concealed firearms, in the two states where it is allowed (Texas and Florida) Violent crime has dropped _dramatically_. It makes sense. 99% of the criminals using weapons are just cowards. They pick on the weak, If they never know who has weapons on them they are not as quick to commit a crime.
The US does have vision, we just have problems agreeing, specifically people who have made up their mind that nuke==bad no matter what circumstances. Decades of being told to feel guilty about what we did to Japan and decades of being scared with cold war rhetoric has done its dammage.
You don't even realize how idiotic this sounds do you? A project is forked when it's not functional enough for someone, or a group of people. This basically means Debian is broken and you take it as some badge of honor. The top two distro's Fedora and Mandrake came from the same product. Quantity does not make quality, comparing 50 forked distro's to get your userbase to match or exceed one or two distro's is not a good comparison.
I think the silent majority knows how important Red Hat is and its shown in the numbers of people using fedora.
I'm one of those people, I've mostly given up on making a case for Red Hat on Slashdot, It's like telling them Patents have a place or windows is pretty good, The groupthink is atrocious. That RH contrib's list is huge, 20 major things atleast for instance that SMP problem someone was bitching about well RH took the 2.6 kernel from 2,000 to 50,000 threads sorry if it has a bug.
You're comparing a distro from 8 years ago to todays slackware and think that means anything? Why people modded this up I have no idea. RH 5 was from 1997. I'm not going to bash slackware since I haven't used it since I think 7 or 8 (can't remember) But I will say that its major hurdle for me was doing everything by hand (editing makefiles). I have Fedora, want to know how many things I've installed from source? 3 everything else is in a repository that is a 'yum install' away. Including flash, java, mp3, nvidia, codecs and everything else people have cried about. There is a problem here, most people haven't tried RH since the 90's and think there is still a GCC problem. I feel RH is thrashed with the same zealotry Windows is and I don't think they have a good enough reason.
American, and Austrailian olympians have to do it with their own funding, unlike China where they pull kids out of school at 5 years old and begin training them for one thing and giving them a million dollars if they win. I forgot which, but a few of their gold medalists are given business. The largest sport shop chain in china is owned by an gold medalist.
The sums at stake are potentially huge because the software industry insists on payment per viewer, per hour of encoded content
If It's only by the hour does this mean the guys who never learned control get free porn?
COOL! finally someone who understands us!
It doesn't do any harm to those they hack--except, perhaps, in some of the virus cases
What is your IP? I'm just some guy on the net but since your company finds it okay to trust me with thier credit card database, user information and source code I'd like to do you a favor and teach you a lesson about why its not okay to trust people. Then you'll understand why even if the attacker doesn't sell the CC numbers or sell e-mail addresses to spammers, you STILL have to treat your network as compromized, spending tons of money and time beginning from scratch.. no harm no foul right?.. wrong.
The real question is, why are kids "letting their frustrations out" on police officers? Remember in comic books when the good guy turned the bad guy into the cops? Now the 'good guy' rips the cops guts out and leads the others on a high speed chase killing more. Great fun!
Why is killing now cool, being in a gang, slapping women, cutting class. What happened to the time when being cool was becoming a cop, doctor, fireman or pilot; not becoming a drug dealer.
and the polls they put on thier site are not polls, they're PUSH POLLS.
I just did go to fox's front page and thier poll results are viewable from everyday since may 17th, you can read the results by Click Here for past poll results , they don't hide the ones they don't want you to see like SOME networks. Try going to fox news and read the front page yourself. But if you go to CNN you see only 3 polls unlike FOX having 36, all of the CNN ones which by the way are about kerry and edwards being great! Just try finding the Results for CNN's "quick vote" they do everyday, I couldn't. FoX's are right next to the 'vote' link
Any one notice that Al Jazerra is getting a Canada license, but Fox isn't...
I didn't know that!
But sure enough, here is the link
I read on fox news the other day FOX isn't allowed in Canada. Maybe you have nothing called a 'patroit act' but it sure looks like you have your own freedom of speech problems in that case doesn't it? Also a poll shows 40% of Canadian teenagers hate the United States. Why should we send you jobs? Your country keeps benifiting from being next to one of, if not the strongest nation in the world but this 'friendship' seems to only go one way. I wouldn't give canada anything until they start helping us (or anyone in the world for that matter)
Incase someone reads this before its modded down the article I got that stuff from is here
Mind explaining to me why you can only 'learn linux' on slackware? I'm really interested in the answer to this because everyone says it but never says why. I can't edit config files with red hat because it has a GUI to do it? I've used red hat for years, I only use one GUI config tool system-config-securitylevel because its faster than throwing in IPtables rules, the others I do by hand, someway, somehow, I've learned linux dispite having GUI software installed.
To anyone who answers I hope you don't bring up slackwares INIT scripts as the REAL way to learn linux cause thats not linux at all. Try being LSB compliant first if you want to have an argument as to which distro teaches you LINUX not bsd or 20 year old unix.
Yes some red hat 'fans' left but I monitor 3 of fedora's lists and I can tell you there is no shortage of suse/mandrake and a few Debian converts. After the initial "red hat shot my dog" emotional rants people settled down about the whole thing. Check out distrowatch Fedora has 1100 hits per day, second most popular distro behind Mandrake and It's only 9 months old; that's not exactly what I call 'abandon ship' everyone seems to be saying.
so FC3 final will still be a RHEL test 1.
I don't really think so. RHEL will not be based on fedora, it will be based on RHEL. It will likely 'cherry pick' things from Fedora though, like SElinux, exec-shield, freedesktop, etc; but it might be too much work for the RHEL team to go backwards from Fedora instead of just taking key things out of it. Then again.. see sig.
Mandrake had that bug.
And SuSe also had that bug.
If you mind not spreading fud and educating yourself have a look at This Page Which tells you how to not only recover the problem, but avoid it all together.
This crap is really getting old, stop trying to place blame only on Fedora dev's when every distro with 2.6 kernel has this problem okay?
Not entirely accurate, Mozilla now 'pre-loads' much like IE does but it is still slower on windows, and MUCH slower to load on Linux than on windows; even using read_ahead() on 2.6 kernels; Granted, Mozilla has a much larger feature set. Fedora recently asked on the list what features requests are there for FC3, I say make this release a optimizations release, patch, patch, patch for security, speed. thats what Linux really needs to work on right now. One minute boot up times to useable GUI is very poor. Minimizing windows shows a trail of window borders like a picture book, It just feels all around heavier and more bloated. I would post a screenshot of what I'm talking about but don't have the bandwith, do this. hit printscreen key and minimize at the exact same time, take a look at the screenshot in gnome.
Who has time to read when all Americans do is work 12+ hours a day just so they wont be replaced.
Because yum is slower to get updates from fedora.redhat.com mirrors. I got an update for the latest kernel about an hour after release but didn't see the yum headers get downloaded until early the next day.
I understand the reasons they do it
Then why complain? Windows users up until windowsXP (or was it 2k?) had to actually get on the internet and get winzip. And to this day people still have to download software they want like codecs! oh the humanity! Making poor users type words in search engines. I would rather have users jump though the hoop of typing yum install xmms-mp3 than one day read the slashdot thread "fedora has been sued by company who made recent deal with MS".
For all the hundreds of applications Fedora comes with by default that MS doesn't provide by default can't we allow them to not include about 4 or 5 things?