I've been looking and stumbled upon this interesting fact
Chinese coal plants produced 3,573 MT of CO2 in 2017
American coal plants produced 1,056 MT of CO2 in 2017
You can see where this is going can't you Windy...
Yes, per person America (less than 1/4 China's population) produces more CO2 from coal plants than China does...much more...OOPS.
So 2014 wasn't far enough back for you, now you are using 2002 numbers?
Remember when talking about efficiency, China's coal is more efficient than US coal.
Environmental impact is clearly relevant when you are discussing CO2 payback from solar panels. Presumably you are talking about it in terms of the whole impact.
Don't be surprised if I ask you to back up your numbers. Since you have been posting all over the place calling me a liar but are yet to show a single time.
And you have a long history of just making things up to suit you argument, especially about China and coal.
You just claimed China was over 2.5X as bad as America, when I've just showed you it's only about 50% extra.
Show your work, or just admit you were wrong.
I didn't 'pick that as a time frame' it's just the first relevant one I found, do you have a better one?
It just shows that China was on par or cleaner than the US for a long time. Or do you think China has gone backwards since then? If so show some evidence for a change...
Unlike you I don't look for the worst number to use. (or just pull them from my ass which is most common for you)You still didn't say where that 75% came from...
Where did you find your 75% coal number from Windy?
And why not count CO2 from all sources of electricity, add in natural gas and things aren't as different as you claim.
You keep saying natural gas is twice as clean, so your 33% natural gas must be worth an extra say 10% coal equivalent. Suddenly your 40% equivalent versus China's actual 60% (not your made up 75%). China is worse, but not by the amount you initially claimed. Maybe an extra few months to pay off the CO2 from the Chinese panels. Still far better than not using them.
You need to consider how toxic to the environment they are. According to this China is the cleanest/best First and third place goes to China...
Do you have anything other than your gut feeling to say otherwise?
Quit it Windy. Put up or shut up. Show a single lie.
I've just shown many of yours...
Where is the evidence for 750GW of new coal plants?
Just go back and look at all your lies on just this topic, lets not get started on all your others yet.
You must be going senile old man, you just denied you ever said 700 or 750GW. But without losing a beat claimed it again in the very next post...
But they agreed to come to the table before Trump broke this agreement...
They came to the table this time because China cut them off and gave them a stern talking to.
Now even if they come to the table, they are much less likely to trust an agreement will be honoured.
Also what Jeremi already said.
Surely you must realise by now that if I say something I've already got the evidence to back it up. You haven't show a single lie so far. I have credibility to lose unlike you, the little boy who cried wolf. Even if you said something factual people would have doubts now.
More Windy lies. You are just getting tiresome now. It would be easier to point out your posts that aren't lies...
Shows you have no idea about how China works. The local governments and their priorities don't always line up with the central government. If the local government kills the coal and forces all those people to lose their government jobs, the local government will get the blame, and get the bill for their welfare. that's why it's not an easy process for them.
Just go back here and check for yourself.
Or any of the dozens of links people have shown you over the last few months/years.
They have 5 year plans that put a hard cap on the amount of coal use. Coal peaked in 2013. Coal as a % of electricity is and has been going down. Coal for other uses has been cut as well.
There are none so blind as those who will not see hey Windy.
I'm against coal, but don't feel the need to lie about it in every post like some people...
I'm against entitled assholes who are a much bigger problem. Despite China's coal use, they are still less than half your per capita emissions.
Like you mentioned earlier, despite the US dropping for 25 years and China rising for 25 years. You still haven't cleaned up to their level and they haven't increased to yours. The real problem is you and people like you who are too afraid to look in the mirror and see who the real polluters are. You are twice China and way above the world average but pretend to be solving the problem. Maybe you are really that stupid and think it's not you? Either way you are the much bigger problem than coal.
You still haven't show a single lie Windy. I've shown many of yours. You have no credibility.
What is the point of treaties if that isn't the case?
In the US you could maybe get away with 4 year treaties, (2 years if you count mid-terms( couple of weeks if a decent tweet changes enough voters voters minds)).
Why honour agreements from even the current administration? They could just as easily change their minds.
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Perhaps they did. It would be trivial for Apple to confirm or deny. Why don't they want to remove the suspicions? What are they hiding?
What's that in metric?
And make those Magellens pay for it.
Since you seem to have an address, there are much more needy people...
People need houses, chocolate bars you can easily replace
I've been looking and stumbled upon this interesting fact
Chinese coal plants produced 3,573 MT of CO2 in 2017
American coal plants produced 1,056 MT of CO2 in 2017
You can see where this is going can't you Windy...
Yes, per person America (less than 1/4 China's population) produces more CO2 from coal plants than China does...much more...OOPS.
So 2014 wasn't far enough back for you, now you are using 2002 numbers?
Remember when talking about efficiency, China's coal is more efficient than US coal.
Environmental impact is clearly relevant when you are discussing CO2 payback from solar panels. Presumably you are talking about it in terms of the whole impact.
Don't be surprised if I ask you to back up your numbers. Since you have been posting all over the place calling me a liar but are yet to show a single time.
And you have a long history of just making things up to suit you argument, especially about China and coal.
You just claimed China was over 2.5X as bad as America, when I've just showed you it's only about 50% extra.
Show your work, or just admit you were wrong.
Silly little boy, I just told you!
Yes it was energy emissions now in 2018, not back in some time when you claim 75%.
Where did that number come from again?
So you're still looking are you?
That says they weren't as accurate back in 2015...Care to show something relevant?
Keep posting irelevant things...
Where did the 75% come from?
I didn't 'pick that as a time frame' it's just the first relevant one I found, do you have a better one?
It just shows that China was on par or cleaner than the US for a long time. Or do you think China has gone backwards since then? If so show some evidence for a change...
Unlike you I don't look for the worst number to use. (or just pull them from my ass which is most common for you)You still didn't say where that 75% came from...
Where did you find your 75% coal number from Windy?
And why not count CO2 from all sources of electricity, add in natural gas and things aren't as different as you claim.
You keep saying natural gas is twice as clean, so your 33% natural gas must be worth an extra say 10% coal equivalent. Suddenly your 40% equivalent versus China's actual 60% (not your made up 75%). China is worse, but not by the amount you initially claimed. Maybe an extra few months to pay off the CO2 from the Chinese panels. Still far better than not using them.
It's ok I'll wait.
You need to consider how toxic to the environment they are. According to this China is the cleanest/best First and third place goes to China...
Do you have anything other than your gut feeling to say otherwise?
If you don't even understand the arrow of time, I'm sorry I can't help you.
When you realise what before means then we can discuss this further.
These is happening
And I'm the one learning English...
Quit it Windy. Put up or shut up. Show a single lie.
I've just shown many of yours...
Where is the evidence for 750GW of new coal plants?
Just go back and look at all your lies on just this topic, lets not get started on all your others yet.
You must be going senile old man, you just denied you ever said 700 or 750GW. But without losing a beat claimed it again in the very next post...
You mean pressure that also happened BEFORE he broke the agreement...
But they agreed to come to the table before Trump broke this agreement...
They came to the table this time because China cut them off and gave them a stern talking to.
Now even if they come to the table, they are much less likely to trust an agreement will be honoured.
Also what Jeremi already said.
Jesus you are thick Windy
Surely you must realise by now that if I say something I've already got the evidence to back it up. You haven't show a single lie so far. I have credibility to lose unlike you, the little boy who cried wolf. Even if you said something factual people would have doubts now.
I even linked to the evidence in the very post you replied to. How thick can you possibly be?
The post pointing out some of your continuing lies about coal in China.
The specific post where you claimed 750 plus GW.
The exact post where you claimed 700GW and that China was doubling it coal plants !!
Also this post full of porkies where you claim.
China is adding another 650 GW of just coal plants while shutting down a fraction of that (less than 100 GW will be shutdown over the next 15 years).
You are completely full of shit Windy...
More Windy lies. You are just getting tiresome now. It would be easier to point out your posts that aren't lies...
Shows you have no idea about how China works. The local governments and their priorities don't always line up with the central government. If the local government kills the coal and forces all those people to lose their government jobs, the local government will get the blame, and get the bill for their welfare. that's why it's not an easy process for them.
Just go back here and check for yourself.
Or any of the dozens of links people have shown you over the last few months/years.
They have 5 year plans that put a hard cap on the amount of coal use. Coal peaked in 2013. Coal as a % of electricity is and has been going down. Coal for other uses has been cut as well.
There are none so blind as those who will not see hey Windy.
I should have read to the end of your post...
Suicide you can generally only do once...
If you really went to college I'd ask for a refund.
I'm against coal, but don't feel the need to lie about it in every post like some people...
I'm against entitled assholes who are a much bigger problem. Despite China's coal use, they are still less than half your per capita emissions. Like you mentioned earlier, despite the US dropping for 25 years and China rising for 25 years. You still haven't cleaned up to their level and they haven't increased to yours. The real problem is you and people like you who are too afraid to look in the mirror and see who the real polluters are. You are twice China and way above the world average but pretend to be solving the problem. Maybe you are really that stupid and think it's not you? Either way you are the much bigger problem than coal.
You still haven't show a single lie Windy. I've shown many of yours. You have no credibility.
LOL no you are not.
What is the point of treaties if that isn't the case?
In the US you could maybe get away with 4 year treaties, (2 years if you count mid-terms( couple of weeks if a decent tweet changes enough voters voters minds)).
Why honour agreements from even the current administration? They could just as easily change their minds.